Kyiv

[QUOTE=KievGuy;1162432]Last, I am 54 and wonder if young women here are repulsed by the idea of me hitting on them. I know that things in Europe are different than the US but also don't want to make a boor of myself. What is the acceptable age differential for non paid transactions?[/QUOTE]For non-paid transactions, I wouldn't go lower than 40. Women prefer to date and interact with men a little bit older than them, but most people have an age limit. Although things are more acceptable in Europe, it's not THAT different.

[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1162432]Thanks for your advice, C12.[/quote]No problem.

[quote]I do not know any Russian. I'm working on it![/quote]Eventually you will learn some useful phrases, we all started from scratch.

[quote]I have generally afternoons and mornings free and I'll be here as I said 6 months. Any advice on best places to go at those times? Maybe to see the sales clerks?[/quote]Mornings and afternoons would be the best time for that. Just walk around Kreshatik and you will find plenty of stores. Zara Kreshatik 23, Savage #21, Oggi #13, Louis Vuitton #15. Actually there are so many stores / little cafes in that Passage area (building #15 on K street). Also check underground shopping malls near big market (located just across from Arena City) and Globus (Independance Square). Most of those girls will agree to a restaurant / movie date and then it's up to you.

[quote]Last, I am 54 and wonder if young women here are repulsed by the idea of me hitting on them. I know that things in Europe are different than the US but also don't want to make a boor of myself. What is the acceptable age differential for non paid transactions?[/QUOTE]Don't hit on 18 year old. But 30-35 should be ok. Ukrainian girls pay attention to the way you are dressed, they look at your shoes, pants, shirt, they check how expensive is your cell phone. They always want to show off. And if they see someone who is in their opinion rich and has a lot of $$$, they will definitely be interested to go out with that person.

[QUOTE=Curious12; 1162681]No problem.

Eventually you will learn some useful phrases, we all started from scratch.

Mornings and afternoons would be the best time for that. Just walk around Kreshatik and you will find plenty of stores. Zara Kreshatik 23, Savage #21, Oggi #13, Louis Vuitton #15. Actually there are so many stores / little cafes in that Passage area (building #15 on K street). Also check underground shopping malls near big market (located just across from Arena City) and Globus (Independance Square). Most of those girls will agree to a restaurant / movie date and then it's up to you.

Don't hit on 18 year old. But 30-35 should be ok. Ukrainian girls pay attention to the way you are dressed, they look at your shoes, pants, shirt, they check how expensive is your cell phone. They always want to show off. And if they see someone who is in their opinion rich and has a lot of $$$, they will definitely be interested to go out with that person. [/QUOTE]OK, thanks again! I'll try some of the shops in those areas. That might especially make sense because I'm guessing a higher percentage of those women speak some English as part of their jobs!

I generally wear athletic shoes here but know it is a fashion faux-pas. But that's because I wear jeans. It is HOT here right now and I DON'T want to wear slacks but will if that's what it takes!

FYI, someone here said that the call girls from Mamba were below par and would come in as 5-6 because they won't be as represented in photos. That assessment is accurate. I've had two, both were 5-6 and gave what I would call good service but were not at all like a strip club girl or even a hot girl on the street here. Just ordinary, really.

So I agree that to get a hottie that way would be lucky. However, that being said it's nice to just sit at home and they come to your door. I even had 2 last night come in a cab and I got to choose! Something to be said for convenience!.) BTW, out the door price was $110 USD.

But now I am thinking I should go for something better. So, I will go to Rio as almost everyone recommends. As I mentioned I live on K Street (or near) and want to avoid a cab. Anywhere else walking distance you'd recommend? I'm thinking Arena? How about O'Brien's? Others? I don't like to use cabs because they rip you off every time! I can walk up to 2 kilometers comfortably no problem from here. Should include more than just the few I mentioned above?

And also: some of you have said approach a girl on the street. I'm not sure how to do that because so many Kiev girls already dress like hookers! Hard to tell them apart, isn't it? Any key signs I should know that would tip me off? I've seen some real hotties at K Street McDonald's standing by themselves at night out front. I hung around awhile thinking maybe they would approach me but no go. Do street walkers here not approach a "John"? Or do I have to guess who the working girl is out on the street. It's a problem, I'm just sayin'.)

Last: day of week. I'm thinking maybe easier to bargain on weekdays? How about summer vs. Winter months? Anyone with experience in this regard?

[url]http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=623825019&hit=3[/url]

Has anyone met this Girl before? Claims she is a model and charging $200 an hour.

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1162740][url]http://www.mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=623825019&hit=3[/url]

Has anyone met this Girl before? Claims she is a model and charging $200 an hour. [/QUOTE]The girl on the pic (1) with coloured dress is not the same from the nacked pic's (3)

Take a look to the tits.

And 200 for 1 hour you can get for 200 a girl for one night)

I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.

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[QUOTE=Acolonizer; 1162799]I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]151876[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]You are the expert on services, so if you're considering her then it means she is up for just about anything for a fairly low price. But these are things one can't tell from a picture.

If you want to know what the readers think about her looks, I will offer my opinion that she is a 5 or 6. She's doable, and if her services are up to your standards then you might have fun. She appears in this photo more of a next door type girl because she does not possess the classic slender "model" type look. She does not have a narrow waist with wide hips which is the classic shape of the eastern european hotties. Instead her waist and her middle are wider giving her a more stocky look which is not the body type that I personally prefer on a girl. Her face is nice enough. It's hard to tell while she's seated whether she has a large chunky ass, or a slender tight sexy ass, but I don't know which type is better for fisting. LOL.

Is it after the fact and you already had your way with her, or are you still just considering her? If her looks appeal to you, and her services and prices are in line with your desires, then go for it. You shouldn't care what other guys think of her looks, unless you plan to parade around town with her. Good luck.

LJ

She is only a 5 or a 6, which planet do you live on?

A 9 surely.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1162867]You are the expert on services, so if you're considering her then it means she is up for just about anything for a fairly low price. But these are things one can't tell from a picture.

If you want to know what the readers think about her looks, I will offer my opinion that she is a 5 or 6. She's doable, and if her services are up to your standards then you might have fun. She appears in this photo more of a next door type girl because she does not possess the classic slender "model" type look. She does not have a narrow waist with wide hips which is the classic shape of the eastern european hotties. Instead her waist and her middle are wider giving her a more stocky look which is not the body type that I personally prefer on a girl. Her face is nice enough. It's hard to tell while she's seated whether she has a large chunky ass, or a slender tight sexy ass, but I don't know which type is better for fisting. LOL.

Is it after the fact and you already had your way with her, or are you still just considering her? If her looks appeal to you, and her services and prices are in line with your desires, then go for it. You shouldn't care what other guys think of her looks, unless you plan to parade around town with her. Good luck.

LJ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1162783]The girl on the pic (1) with coloured dress is not the same from the nacked pic's (3)

Take a look to the tits.

And 200 for 1 hour you can get for 200 a girl for one night) [/QUOTE]The man is right. Where have the tits gone in dress photo? Ask her if she had a boob job in between photo shoots? But with or without tits, her face is pretty, although if anything similar to the girl an any of her photos ever showed up from a Mamba contact, I think most of us would be in shock. But for the moment let's assume she looks like her photos. The problem is how to approach negotiations on price.

Usually, it is more productive to try to get them to expand the time, rather than lower the price of 1 hour. You might say that you will be happy to give her $200 but only if she stays for 2 or 3 hours, and if she balks at that you might come down to a minimum of 2 hours. $200 for 2 hours is an acceptable rate in Kiev of $100 / hr and certainly if she looks like the girl in her naked pictures.

Or if you really want her, and your budget allows, and you sense she is stubborn on her rate, then throw her an unexpected curve and say that you have seen so many fake picture girls and that "conditioned on her appearance being exactly as in her profile photos" you are ready to offer her more money! You might say $300 for 3 hours, or $400 for 6 hours, which is more money than she asked. Then the larger amount of money to be earned might tempt her. These rates are not higher than the strip club rates for a hottie, so you will not be overpaying, even if she says yes. Then If she shows up and is a different girl, you can hold an entirely new negotiation right then after she has already invested her time to come, and you can make a deal that is consistent with her actual looks and appearance.

Ultimately, even for a model type you should try to get the rate down to between $100 to $150 an hour, in order not to be paying more than the rates at the strip club or at nightclubs like D'lux or at the Buddha Bar.

LJ

[QUOTE=Crocodilechik; 1162874]She is only a 5 or a 6, which planet do you live on?

A 9 surely. [/QUOTE]Because her body is not the body of a 9. Look at my recent long post in the middle where I attached 6 photos of what I consider to be 9's or 10's. Every one of them has a smoking body. This girl has a thick body and not a slender waist and probably a fleshy thick ass to boot. She's not a 9 in my standards, although her face is nice.

But men have different tastes. Do you really feel she is a 9? Then how would you rate the 6 models whose photos were in my prior post?

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1162883]But men have different tastes. Do you really feel she is a 9? Then how would you rate the 6 models whose photos were in my prior post?[/QUOTE]I'd take her anyday.

Who cares about photoshopped pics of improbable glamurnoe kisos? Would be more interesting to see pictures of normal girls (girls who didn't expect any financial benefice but simply liked you as a person) you actually wooed, charmed and fucked.

Yes well spotted Harry.

The highest I ever paid on a Mamba girl was $100 for 2 hours. I've been lucky so far as all girls matched the photos.

I'll ask her the questions, but looks like a boob job for sure.

If I'm going to pay any higher than $100, I'll just stick with Rio / Mandarin to be on the safe side.

Anyone have news about Mandarin yet?

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1162880]The man is right. Where have the tits gone in dress photo? Ask her if she had a boob job in between photo shoots? But with or without tits, her face is pretty, although if anything similar to the girl an any of her photos ever showed up from a Mamba contact, I think most of us would be in shock. But for the moment let's assume she looks like her photos. The problem is how to approach negotiations on price.

Usually, it is more productive to try to get them to expand the time, rather than lower the price of 1 hour. You might say that you will be happy to give her $200 but only if she stays for 2 or 3 hours, and if she balks at that you might come down to a minimum of 2 hours. $200 for 2 hours is an acceptable rate in Kiev of $100 / hr and certainly if she looks like the girl in her naked pictures.

Or if you really want her, and your budget allows, and you sense she is stubborn on her rate, then throw her an unexpected curve and say that you have seen so many fake picture girls and that "conditioned on her appearance being exactly as in her profile photos" you are ready to offer her more money! You might say $300 for 3 hours, or $400 for 6 hours, which is more money than she asked. Then the larger amount of money to be earned might tempt her. These rates are not higher than the strip club rates for a hottie, so you will not be overpaying, even if she says yes. Then If she shows up and is a different girl, you can hold an entirely new negotiation right then after she has already invested her time to come, and you can make a deal that is consistent with her actual looks and appearance.

Ultimately, even for a model type you should try to get the rate down to between $100 to $150 an hour, in order not to be paying more than the rates at the strip club or at nightclubs like D'lux or at the Buddha Bar.

LJ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Harry Hirsch; 1162783]The girl on the pic (1) with coloured dress is not the same from the nacked pic's (3)

Take a look to the tits.

And 200 for 1 hour you can get for 200 a girl for one night) [/QUOTE]Good catch. I checked it further and I believe the girl on the third picture is Kayden Kross. Type her name in google pictures and compare. I think it's her. Actually that is why I prefer RP (too bad it's gone) , Rio, meeting girls on the street or in stores instead of using Mamba.

[QUOTE=KievGuy;1162714]So, I will go to Rio as almost everyone recommends. As I mentioned I live on K Street (or near) and want to avoid a cab. Anywhere else walking distance you'd recommend? I'm thinking Arena? How about O'Brien's? Others? I don't like to use cabs because they rip you off every time! I can walk up to 2 kilometers comfortably no problem from here. Should include more than just the few I mentioned above?[/quote]If you live on K street, it would just 8-10 minutes for you to walk to Rio. Many people like to stay at Kreshatik 25, famous building with a star. If you are in that area, then you can just cross the steet and walk and you will be at Rio.

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Arena is very close as well. O'Brien's is a little far on Mikhaylovskaya street. There's also Heaven, located on Grinchenko 7, literally 2 minutes walking distance from Independance Square. Also check Budda Bar and D'Lux.

[QUOTE=Acolonizer; 1162799]I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.

[ATTACH=CONFIG]151876[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]In every girl next door their is a sugar mommy waiting to break free. 20-22 years of age. Costs vary to her experience with guys, on Average I'd guess she'd ask for 500-600 grn an hour. Sexually with the right timing & words, actions, you'd be able to get her into more adventurous activities. A good 7. Or an 8. You can apply makeup, a pretty dress, high heels, & a gocci hairdo, maybe a little colour in the hair some ear rings, & bam!