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[QUOTE=Immy007; 1162917]Yes well spotted Harry.

The highest I ever paid on a Mamba girl was $100 for 2 hours. I've been lucky so far as all girls matched the photos.

I'll ask her the questions, but looks like a boob job for sure.

If I'm going to pay any higher than $100, I'll just stick with Rio / Mandarin to be on the safe side.

Anyone have news about Mandarin yet?[/QUOTE]Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs.

[QUOTE=Mystery77;1162958]In every girl next door their is a sugar mommy waiting to break free. 20-22 years of age. Costs vary to her experience with guys, on Average I'd guess she'd ask for 500-600 grn an hour. Sexually with the right timing & words, actions, you'd be able to get her into more adventurous activities. A good 7. Or an 8. You can apply makeup, a pretty dress, high heels, & a gocci hairdo, maybe a little colour in the hair some ear rings, & bam![/QUOTE]What I think of her?

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[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1163065]Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs. [/QUOTE]I have to thank Hunter Dave for the contact. Tried to PM you, but you haven't got a subscription.

Even if you are 54 as long as you are fairly well off you can have any Girl.

How has your experience been so far regarding performance of the Girls?

[. There's also Heaven, located on Grinchenko 7, literally 2 minutes walking distance from Independance Square. . [/QUOTE]What can you tell about heaven, what is it?

[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1163065]Wow, you HAVE been lucky! NONE of the Mamba girls I've had matched. And they wanted substantially more than what you've quoted. $50 / hour or less? How did you negotiate that rate? I'm curious as to whether time of day / season affects price.

Also, I've heard some posters say they don't pay until services are rendered. I've tried that and actually had one girl leave because I refused to pay up front. Is the practice of not paying in advance restricted only to a particular type of girl, for example, escort service vs. Stripper vs. [/QUOTE]Your questions have for the most part been answered in recent posts even in just the last 2. 3 months. I know I have written about prices on mamba and top modals, and others have as well. Just go on top-modals. Com website and you will see a number of girls asking 400 UAH which is $50 USD, although they tend to be the less attractive of the lot. Same on mamba. Ru website or street. So by reading the forum properly, you and other newbies asking for info and advice that has been repetitively posted on the thread just so you could read it and benefit from it, could benefit far more than just signing on and asking questions. As others have written, and this is in caps for a reason, RTFF.

Now having gotten that off my chest, and certain that you will heed my advice to read at least the last 2. 3 months of this thread, and more if you have time before your trip, I will explain to you what has worked for me in the past. The reason for the girls demanding payment up front is because they have experienced or heard about guys who fuck and then don't pay the girl and THEY don't want to get ripped off after giving their body to some asshole. Once you understand where the girls are coming from you can take reassuring steps designed to show them that you are not such a rippoff guy and they have nothing to fear from you.

Here is what you should do: tell the girl that you understand her concerns but you also have concerns having heard stories about not nice girls taking money and then ripping the guy off. Tell her you are happy to take out and show and count the money to her satisfaction so she knows it is there for her, if she agrees that the money will be placed on top of the table and she is only to take it when she is leaving after finishing the session. If she agrees, it is a sign of her good faith. If she will not agree even to that compromise, it is a sign that she knowes she has no intention of providing good service, and you would be best to cut such a girl loose.

The money being left on a table that she can only take later, provides a psychological stimulus for her to perform properly.

Good luck

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1163282]Your questions have for the most part been answered in recent posts even in just the last 2. 3 months. I know I have written about prices on mamba and top modals, and others have as well. Just go on top-modals. Com website and you will see a number of girls asking 400 UAH which is $50 USD, although they tend to be the less attractive of the lot. Same on mamba. Ru website or street. So by reading the forum properly, you and other newbies asking for info and advice that has been repetitively posted on the thread just so you could read it and benefit from it, could benefit far more than just signing on and asking questions. As others have written, and this is in caps for a reason, RTFF.

Now having gotten that off my chest, and certain that you will heed my advice to read at least the last 2. 3 months of this thread, and more if you have time before your trip, I will explain to you what has worked for me in the past. The reason for the girls demanding payment up front is because they have experienced or heard about guys who fuck and then don't pay the girl and THEY don't want to get ripped off after giving their body to some asshole. Once you understand where the girls are coming from you can take reassuring steps designed to show them that you are not such a rippoff guy and they have nothing to fear from you.

Here is what you should do: tell the girl that you understand her concerns but you also have concerns having heard stories about not nice girls taking money and then ripping the guy off. Tell her you are happy to take out and show and count the money to her satisfaction so she knows it is there for her, if she agrees that the money will be placed on top of the table and she is only to take it when she is leaving after finishing the session. If she agrees, it is a sign of her good faith. If she will not agree even to that compromise, it is a sign that she knowes she has no intention of providing good service, and you would be best to cut such a girl loose.

The money being left on a table that she can only take later, provides a psychological stimulus for her to perform properly.

Good luck[/QUOTE]Yes, some have probably been answered. I'll be honest and tell you that, while I appreciate everyone's experience, what I value most is that you are willing to give immediate advice without forcing me through reams of data, much of which is useless to me personally. Thank you in advance for your expertise!

I DID look, just for the record, and saw your post about putting the money on the table, etc. I DID do exactly as you suggested, and it didn't work. She left. Not saying it happens every time. Obviously not for you. But it DID happen to me that way, and I'm pretty sure others who use Mamba will also get that experience. So maybe the difference was in the type of service? In the event, I did use the same Mamba escort service, paid up front, and got what I wanted, so it's all good.

Yes, you'll find a VERY SMALL number at 400 UAH, but that will be for basic service which is not my own personal requirement. And I doubt based on what I've heard here so far that anyone on these boards would be satisfied with what you get for under 400UAH. Certainly not getting good service from a 7 at that rate, IMO, unless you're OK with a ho-hum condom ride.

FYI, this isn't a "trip" for me. I live here, a point I thought I had made earlier. Maybe not. Now you know. I went by Buddha Bar and Arena today at 2PM. No one there at all. I'm sure this comes as no surprise, just trying to add to the information here. Arena. Ditto. I'll check out some other clubs and let you all know as I scope them out (what's with the "Red Lion"?). And yes, thanks for the wishes of good luck and I DO really appreciate the time you took to respond!

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1162096]hard core professional that can be found at Rio, and the other the 20 year old student that can be found elsewhere. One of them will cost $300-500, The other can be had for $100. There is different fantasy component to having sex with someone like that.[/QUOTE]YEAH! This is what I am talking about! FANtaStiC!

Hi to all members. I have 3 specific questions regarding Rio club I have not been able to find answers to on the forum.

1) I am british born, I live in england and of egyptian parentage. I have read clubs like shooters can have a 'racist' door.

Policy. Can someone confirm if Rio club is friendly towards foreigners, especially men of middle eastern appearance, and.

That if any members of this forum have seen foreign middleeastern men inside Rio club. It would be awful to fly in from.

The you. K. And then to be refused entrance.

2) is a smart trouser / shirt / shoes okay for entrance / face control / or is a smart suit blazer jacket needed?

3) finally apart from $300 take out fee is a budget of 600 grivnas enough to cover Rio extras (100-entrance; 200-manager tips; 200-dance; 100-non alcoholic drinks as I do not drink? Thanks mohab.

[QUOTE=Liljoey]You wrote that 'increased chances of getting a GFE' was your sole justification for mongering at Rio strip club. I suppose the reason for your expectation of an increased chance of GFE at the strip club was based on the fact that it is a controlled environment and presumably the club supervises its product (the girls) and exercises 'quality control' to insure they behave properly.[/QUOTE]Nope, I did not rely on the club and the management (which is doing fuckall, I guess) but rather on my own skills; I mean, the way it works (eye-contact, private dance, interview) was meant to make a proper selection, while such a selection remained hardly possible with regular WG which are always "straight to business". But as I have learned at my own expenses, sometimes you are just not skilled enough =/

[QUOTE=Liljoey]I had other reasons for going to Rio which are worth considering. My reasons were (a) cost—rlated and (be) efficiency—related.

(a) In terms of costs, I felt that the prices being asked by the girls in the nightclubs ($300 or $400 for two hours, which is a net rate of $150-$200 per hour) were higher than the costs at Rio ($300 for three hours, or a net rate of $100 per hour). I was capable of utilizing and enjoying three hours with a beautiful girl, and the price was low enough, so I was ok with the 3 hour minimum.

(be) In terms of efficiency, the girls at Rio were all collected there in one place beginning earlier than nightclubs at 8:00 PM opening time and were being passed directly in front of me a few at a time, leaving me free to easily approach and make contact with any girl I saw that I wanted to speak to, or have her summoned to me by a manager. I could fully see the body and looks of each girl from all angles. This was much more efficient than the nightclub scene where I would have to chase all over a nightclub after a girl I might like or go to nightclubs all over the city and then at each nightclub I would have to spend time to figure out who was an 'available' WG. Plus my visits to Avalon and Buddha Bar were failures because there were not a lot a lot of girls to be found there at the time of my visits. So I didn't want to waste more time with the nightclubs, and chose the efficient and more certain location for girls who I might take home.

I also felt that pursuing internet girls was a very inefficient direction to pursue because of the fake photos and bait and switch which resulted in a colossal waste of time. So despite the lower prices on the internet, I limited my involvement with mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com and other websites to daytime hours when there were no nightclub or strip club options, but for the evenings I felt the only viable options were nightclubs or the strip clubs like Rio. [/QUOTE]I agree with all this. Only if you choose to play it carefully (private dances, drinks, drinks for the girls, tips to the management and so on) at the end of the day, your Rio girl may cost you more than $300. 2-3 private dances / interviews and you already find yourself around $400. It goes up pretty quickly. Hence the importance of making the right choice. I really have no problem with the 3h minimum, PROVIDED I am with the right girl!

[QUOTE=Liljoey]WHAT DOES A 9 OR A 10 LOOK LIKE? : In order to avoid further confusion on this issue, I am attaching hereto pictures of girls who I think could qualify as beauties to be rated as 9's or 10's.[/QUOTE]This is a nice initiative as it allows to "calibrate" our respective scales. Okay, here is how I see things:

Stephanie Glasson: 4. NOT DO-ABLE (unless she pays)

Jayde Nicole: 8.

Kassie Lyn Logsdon: 9+

Tyffany Selby: 5-6.

Tyran Richard: 8 for the face (the eyes!) , but her tits are just fucking horrible.

Amelia: 9.

Heather Renee Smith: 6. Because I am in a good mood.

I expect some of you to freak out at me. From my perspective, a girl with fake boobs (or anything fake, for that matter) can hardly qualify for the highest ranks. I like tits that look like tits, not fucking footballs. Stephanie Glasson, for instance, is the very illustration of a trend that will undoubtedly lead the world to ruin.

Anyway, regarding Rio, as this was the point, IMHO there are girls that are (much) more beautiful than this.

[QUOTE=Stevie69]We men are peculiar. We like to argue about irrelevant things. Nevertheless, the photos clarified the difference of opinion. People just like different things. Here are 2 girls of the type that we are discussing, one typifies the hard core professional that can be found at Rio, and the other the 20 year old student that can be found elsewhere.[/QUOTE]I find this really caricaturated. I have been to Rio 5-6 times and I have not seen many specimens of such hard core pros as your picture. As a matter of fact, I can't remember one. There are many girls in Rio whom I do not find attractive, but they are very far from being that worn out! Most of them are younger and fresher, and much less surgery-damaged. Thank God. As for the other girl, I am not too impressed. There are fresher things out there than FTV models =)

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I am curious about your replies, since this is the most popular thread of the Ukraine forum. What do you think about the attached girl? What do you think about her age, body, work, prices, services? Is she a next-door girl or a model-style girl? Etc.[/QUOTE]Obviously a girl next-door. I would say a 7 or an 8. But difficult to tell really, this photo doesn't show much. Maybe you have some more pics? As for the price, assuming you have never met before, around 80$ per hour? Something like that?

[QUOTE=Explorer69;1163272]What can you tell about heaven, what is it?[/QUOTE]It's a night club, I have been there a few times with a friend. I just mentioned it because I was asked about clubs that can be reached from Kreshatik by simply walking there. I'm not sure if there are any WG there, but as usual some pretty Kiev devushkas visit the club.

Here you can see the lastest pictures:

[url]http://nightlife.tochka.net/gallery/cat/5991/page/1/[/url]

If you're standing at the centre of the Independance Square, you have to take the street on the left side and in 2 minutes you will be there.

I have attahced a picture of club's entrance.

[quote=insomniaque; 1163362]this is a nice initiative as it allows to "calibrate" our respective scales. okay, here is how i see things:

stephanie glasson: 4. not do-able (unless she pays)

jayde nicole: 8.

kassie lyn logsdon: 9+

tyffany selby: 5-6.

tyran richard: 8 for the face (the eyes!) , but her tits are just fucking horrible.

amelia: 9.

heather renee smith: 6. because i am in a good mood.

i expect some of you to freak out at me. from my perspective, a girl with fake boobs (or anything fake, for that matter) can hardly qualify for the highest ranks. i like tits that look like tits, not fucking footballs. stephanie glasson, for instance, is the very illustration of a trend that will undoubtedly lead the world to ruin.

anyway, regarding rio, as this was the point, imho there are girls that are (much) more beautiful than this. [/quote]insomniaque, it's an interesting response. i am trying to understand why you rated things differently. the only key you provided is that any girl with enhanced boobs automatically is distasteful to you, no matter how pretty her facial features, or how smoking the rest of her body is in the pelvic or pussy area, thighs, ass, legs, none of it matters to you in the face of football boobs.

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i suppose you realize, (since you're clever enough to spot an ftv photo in stevie69's post) , that all of these girls whose photos i uploaded for examples are, in fact, playboy magazine "playmates of the month" from various years, (with the exception of amelia who is an escort i met in london mentioned in my first post as an example of the kind of 9 or 10 rated girl i am looking for when mongering). therefore, each of these girls, other than amelia, has gone through an exhaustive selection process to be selected as a playmate of the month. this means that they are beautiful in the eyes of a fairly good cross-section of people in the beauty business. so i truly didn't expect much debate on their beauty. there were many playmates i passed over and i only chose what i thought were the prettiest ones as examples of a 9 or 10.

so your post was interesting to me. i actually agree that jayde nicole should be rated a tad lower than the others, because you can see the difference in facial prettiness between her and a girl like kassie lyn logsdon who is very pretty facially. i can even agree that with respect to tiffany selby, leaving aside the boobs issue for a moment, she has a less good body than the others because of her narrower boyish hips, so even though her facial prettiness is on a very high level, she should be rated just a bit behind than the others. i am truly at a loss as to why heather rene smith is so low down the scale in your eyes, as her face is very pretty and her body is smoking in the hips, thighs, legs, pussy area. her sole flaw is enhanced boobs.

so to a guy like you, even if you don't like enhanced boobs, all these girls have very pretty faces and have girl-sexy smoking curves. is it really true that because of the fake boobs you wouldn't have sex with them, if they came on to you? i find it difficult to believe anyone is throwing any of these babes out of bed!

i thought it would be an interesting exercise to see the way different guys view beauty. i had actually concieved something of a more elaborate game to entertain the boys here on the forum with photos of girls i thought were top girls, those who were 2nd tier girls, and those who were doable but not beauties, and then i was going to mix up the order and ask the responders to group the girls into the three tiers the way they saw it. i was interested to see on what aspects of beauty the guys might differ. it's something that a guy can't explain with words, but he can say which photos he likes most, medium and least. anyway, time got te better of me, and i just limited my post to an illustration of what i thought would be universally acknowledged as top tier girls (9's and 10's allowing for some reasonable differences of opinion). maybe someone else will concoct such a game to entertain us.

thankfully for you guys who are "boobs" connoisseurs, in kiev, not a lot of young girls have the money for boob jobs.

me? i don't care so much about the boobs, because i am an ass man first. if a girl has a tight, slender sexy ass and well formed pussy area (look at kassie lyn logsdon's flat stomach and wide hips and a pussy that just draws you like a magnet to want to get between those sexy legs and go down on her) then i start to get excited with a visceral reaction and feel my engine gunning down below. if she has a face as pretty as kassie, or any of the playmates above, and she smiles in my direction and seems to like me, my heart can start pounding. at this point, i'm just like all those cops who lost it, when sharon stone crossed and uncrossed her legs, deliberately showing them her snatch in the movie "basic instinct." at this point, even if the girl is flat as a board, and has the smallest size bra (in usa an "a" cup) , i don't care. in fact, i like a gymnast's or a dancer's body, which is usually lithe, sleek, with well formed thighs and legs, but usually no tits. if the girl has nice tits too, it's just extra gravy for me.

but i understand that there are many men who are "face" men, or "tits" men, and that is their primary sexual focus.

given that i am so susceptible to womens charms, it's a miracle that i have been to a place like rio and have yet emerged unrep001hed by a "bad" girl. she would have had me under her spell, just like she had you, insomniaque. roll with the punches.

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[QUOTE=Mohab; 1163335]Hi to all members. I have 3 specific questions regarding Rio club I have not been able to find answers to on the forum.

1) I am british born, I live in england and of egyptian parentage. I have read clubs like shooters can have a 'racist' door.

Policy. Can someone confirm if Rio club is friendly towards foreigners, especially men of middle eastern appearance, and.

That if any members of this forum have seen foreign middleeastern men inside Rio club. It would be awful to fly in from.

The you. K. And then to be refused entrance.

2) is a smart trouser / shirt / shoes okay for entrance / face control / or is a smart suit blazer jacket needed?

3) finally apart from $300 take out fee is a budget of 600 grivnas enough to cover Rio extras (100-entrance; 200-manager tips; 200-dance; 100-non alcoholic drinks as I do not drink? Thanks mohab. [/QUOTE]1. I don't know the anser for sure, but you have asked several times and no one else has responded to you, so I will tell you what I think, and maybe it will help. I have seen men with Mediterranean look, like a Greek or Italian guy in Rio without problem. If you're saying that your skin color is very dark, like for example the Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was, then I would say that you could rely on the responses in earlier posts on this very thread when it was asked if a black guy would have any problem in Kiev, and I think I remember reading that the answer was "no." you should search and review this thread to confirm this. However, I don't recall specifically seeing men of very dark skin color at Rio during any of my visits. But I think you have many other options in Kiev where your skin color wouldn't make a difference, so you would not be wasting a trip regardless. In Kiev, as in other parts of the world, cash is king.

2. This question is really not necessary, because common sense should tell you that you should err on the side of caution, and dress up to go to anywhere you're not sure. What can it hurt? Perhaps the women will think you're some government hotshot or rich businessman, and it will work in your favor. And then if you see that a particular venue is more laid back when you go the first time, then the second time you go you can come more casual. This isn't rocket science. In Rio it is not apparent if there is any dress code. I don't believe a jacket is required, as I've seen guys in shirts. Although I personally do wear a sport jacket, but I've only been to Kiev when the weather was cold or mild. If you're coming in the summer, I'm sure smart shirt / slacks is fine. That is as regards Rio. However, as regards a normal nightclub dress could be important because the women size you up according to the richness and classiness of your look, and also there might be a face control issue at some nightclubs.

3. This question is even more unnecessary. The costs associated with visiting Rio have all been discussed in DETAIL in this thread. Are you reading the thread from at least several months back? You shouldn't just post questions several times over to get someone to answer and spoonfeed you unless you have truly made the effort to read the forum for at least a couple months back and make notes, or copy / paste important info you find to a summary page for later review. You also need some street smarts and some common sense. For example, you know the prices of the various costs in Rio as evident from your question. So why are you asking others how much you should spend? You only allocate 100 UAH for drinks non-alcoholic. That's fine. I often also just get a hot tea, if I'm not in the mood to drink, or they have juices there too, which are inexpensive items relatively. But do you really think you will get away with not buying any drinks for a girl who is sitting and talking with you, especially if you like her? What will you do when the waitress comes over? Also, you budget 200 UAH for 1 private dance. Do you really anticipate only one dance? That's fine. But you'd better make it count and choose the right girl for that one dance, because if the dance doesn't help you decide on taking that girl, or she is a dancer-only who doesn't go out from club, then you may need to do other private dances. So one dance is the minimum, and that's if you're lucky and everything goes smoothly and the one girl you chose convinces you she will give you a great GFE experience. But that would be a lucky outcome. Again common sense will tell you that you need to be flexible about costs because you have a goal to achieve when you go to a place like Rio, which is to bring home a girl who will delight you. So obviously you may need to invest in more than one private dance or even buy a girl or more than one girl a drink.

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1163482]Insomniaque, it's an interesting response. I am trying to understand why you rated things differently. The only key you provided is that any girl with enhanced boobs automatically is distasteful to you, no matter how pretty her facial features, or how smoking the rest of her body is in the pelvic or pussy area, thighs, ass, legs, none of it matters to you in the face of football boobs.[/QUOTE]The only thing I wrote is that a woman with "enhanced" things (boobs, lips, etc.) could not qualify for the highest rankings, that is to say the 9' and 10'. I did not say it automatically and utterly disqualified her, and I can give a fair 8 or even a 9 to a girl despite some fake stuff; but only a pure natural beauty should deserve a full 10. Unless the surgeon is a true artist and enhances relevant parts in such a way that you cannot tell whether they are enhanced or not; but this is something I have scarcely witnessed, this is not the trend and this is not the case here, anyway. The mistake is not possible, and this is where the problem is.

Also, let it be clear that I am VERY sensitive to the face and the rest of the body and it can MUCH counterbalance football tits. The face is actually what matters most to me (I can be attracted to death by a girl with beautiful eyes or lips but a quite average body) ; then comes the body as a whole (general figure, small of the back, waist to hip ratio) and then only the details (boobs etc.). Now take a look at this Stephanie Glasson: her face is not at all appealing, the features are not quite harmonious and there is no charm whatsoever; as for the body, it is not an harmonious whole; the main problem here is not the fake boobs in themselves but rather the fact that such boobs just stick out like the eyes of a crocodile; such an unnatural contrast "breaks" the natural curves of the female body. So from my perspective, your description (pretty face, smoking body) simply does not apply here.

[QUOTE=Liljoey]I suppose you realize, (since you're clever enough to spot an FTV photo in Stevie69's post) , that all of these girls whose photos I uploaded for examples are, in fact, Playboy Magazine "Playmates of the Month" from various years, (with the exception of Amelia who is an escort I met in London mentioned in my first post as an example of the kind of 9 or 10 rated girl I am looking for when mongering). Therefore, each of these girls, other than Amelia, has gone through an exhaustive selection process to be selected as a Playmate of the Month. This means that they are beautiful in the eyes of a fairly good cross-section of people in the beauty business. So I truly didn't expect much debate on their beauty. There were many Playmates I passed over and I only chose what I thought were the prettiest ones as examples of a 9 or 10.[/QUOTE]Of course I realized. =) I boast about being a true centerfold expert. =) And when I mentioned the trend towards ruin, this is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Just compare the PMOM's from the 70's and early 80's to what is to be found in Playboy nowadays. Over the decades, surgery has invaded centerfolds; and now it is just an escalation: always bigger, always less natural, always more obvious. More, more and more, that is the motto. Allow me to attach a few pics of some of my all-time favourites: can you tell the difference between those delicious-looking CURVES and the BONY Stephanie Glasson?

[QUOTE=Liljoey]So to a guy like you, even if you don't like enhanced boobs, all these girls have very pretty faces and have girl-sexy smoking curves. Is it really true that because of the fake boobs you wouldn't have sex with them, if they came on to you? I find it difficult to believe anyone is throwing any of these babes out of bed![/QUOTE]I was provocative, naturally. I would probably do any of those girls, as I have already done some who were far worse-looking! But to make it clear, and regardless of the boobs, not all of those gilrs do have a smoking body or a pretty face, from my point of view; nor do they deserve a 9 or 10.

[QUOTE=Insomniaque; 1163540]I can give a fair 8 or even a 9 to a girl despite some fake stuff; but only a pure natural beauty should deserve a full 10.

Also, let it be clear that I am VERY sensitive to the face and the rest of the body and it can MUCH counterbalance football tits. The face is actually what matters most to me (I can be attracted to death by a girl with beautiful eyes or lips but a quite average body) ; then comes the body as a whole (general figure, small of the back, waist to hip ratio) and then only the details (boobs etc.).

Regardless of the boobs, not all of those gilrs do have a smoking body or a pretty face, from my point of view; nor do they deserve a 9 or 10. [/QUOTE]About Stephanie Glasson, I can see that her stringy muscularity is not sexy to you and you like softer curves and surfaces on a woman. At least I can understand how you differentiate her from others. To me she has a pretty face, albeit not structurally perfect.

But do you really not find Heather Renee Smith to have a very pretty face and wide hips and sexy curves to her body (other than the boobs issue)? It's hard for me to understand it. Are guys really so divergent in what they consider pretty?

It's an eye. Opener.

[QUOTE=Insomniaque;1163540]The only thing I wrote is that a woman with "enhanced" things (boobs, lips, etc.) could not qualify for the highest rankings, that is to say the 9' and 10'. I did not say it automatically and utterly disqualified her, and I can give a fair 8 or even a 9 to a girl despite some fake stuff; but only a pure natural beauty should deserve a full 10. Unless the surgeon is a true artist and enhances relevant parts in such a way that you cannot tell whether they are enhanced or not; but this is something I have scarcely witnessed, this is not the trend and this is not the case here, anyway. The mistake is not possible, and this is where the problem is.[/QUOTE]Would she really still be a 10. Is it fair to class an enhanced beauty modification on a woman in the rating scales as the same as a natural beauty.

Athletes on performance enhancing drugs, world champions & graced as the best, well until some are found out. People taking tablets to enhance the mental process, or artificial chips connected to the brain for bio-technology. Android enhancements. In other words robocop sh*t. The spoils of the "righteous or honest" war.

If everything in this world is based on energy & matter down to root formula. Then I supose beside what we consider to be right wrong, everything is fair, everything is right. Good & bad is a point of view. To accept one form of enhancement & deny another is what? . All to human =)

With all this said, I would rather spend my time with a complete natural beauty, in place of a enhanced beauty. Be everything else the same, personality, resources, social. But then would it really matter the question should be asked? Hmm, well what happens if her tits pop! Ahh. So in situations things could work against a enhanced beauty.

However generally enhancements are for confidence or attention. Have you seen some of those actors with those interesting looking big lip enhancements. Now thats supposed to be a beauty enhancement.