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[QUOTE=Skogis;1653129]The job is not done when you have the girls digits. Many of us have experienced bad receptions, connection cuts, girls don't answer and this ever ending pasaload request. If I clearly sense that a girl are actually out of load I pass on some pisos though my phone (at least for the Smart system it is easy to give out some load). Except from that I am allergic to money request but my girls are well informed about that through precommunication but some try the small amounts anyway. Many girls have many phones and if I find this out I skip them bcs then they most likely are BG or P4 P. Most of the normal girls I try to run after have sometimes enough holding one phone up and running, hehe. For girls in BG category I try avoid them but of course sometimes this fails. To scope for the BG I see when they are logged in FB/Datingsites(no exact science).

The most used frase the day our meet is going to take place is...[/QUOTE]OK. This is beautiful info, and thank you for all the detail.

ALL my experience on these sites is (and this includes from afar, AND while here in the Philippines. I am here now for a month).

Is that ALL the girls would NOT just come to my place for a first meeting. In fact, while I get tons of attention (dozens of emails and likes per day).

They immediately shift into what I call the "suspicious female inquisition" mode of asking how long I am staying, how many girls.

Why do I want to meet right away, am I "serious", etc. Etc. It's been hard enough to get them to meet for coffee.

Let along come RIGHT TO MY HOTEL? ESPECIALLY if you make it clear that money is NOT involved, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM.

To have them come RIGHT to your hotel for a first meeting? Your specifics would be greatly appreciated. I'm fully aware that perhaps.

It is I that am being too cautious, but I certainly don't sense that any of these girls are open to that.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1657798]Plenty. Phone apps, wechat whatsapp line kakao bee etc. . DIA Pinalove Filipina Cupid badoo tagged hi5 ok cupid and a whole host more, plus fb. New ones pop up every week. Similar to Skogis, I've never had a first date fail (ok, once in ten years is almost never LOL.) got to know your market and set out your strategy appropriately.[/QUOTE]I'm in Phils now, and have loved some of my trip.

And met some cuties too.

BUT, when using the dating sites, while I get literally hundreds of likes, emails, etc.

They ALL make it clear "looking for serious" etc. Etc.

And those who I like, and start communicating with, talk / write in such a way that.

Sounds very clear they are the "suspicious of one night stand type men" types.

Given this demeanor, that seems ubiquitous, what do I possibly say to invite them to my place.

For a first meeting? Those that I HAVE met for "dates" (coffee or just a talk), have resulted in flirtation, and.

A couple of makeouts, but then "I'm not ready" . . .

Am I choosing the wrong girls? Not being aggressive enough?

Would love to hear your advice, as I fully believe that I am sabotaging myself.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]They immediately shift into what I call the "suspicious female inquisition" mode of asking how long I am staying, how many girls. Why do I want to meet right away, am I "serious", etc. Etc. It's been hard enough to get them to meet for coffee.
Let along come RIGHT TO MY HOTEL? ESPECIALLY if you make it clear that money is NOT involved, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM.
To have them come RIGHT to your hotel for a first meeting? Your specifics would be greatly appreciated. I'm fully aware that perhaps. It is I that am being too cautious, but I certainly don't sense that any of these girls are open to that.
Thanks![/QUOTE]Since u are adressing an issue many people ask me about through the PM system i can once again tell in public how i do it(some new some old tactics). Firstly, I would not worry to much about the pinays "suspicious female inquisition"as it is not as well developed as for girls in a first world country. Here girls, even socalled educated ones, are far more gullible than we are used to from back home. U are in a 3 world country where people lack normal good quality edu and critical and analytic minds are almost from my knowledge almost non existent. Many of these girls have no good outlooks for the future and they seem to know it. Most commonly heard words is "i want to get work abroad". All of this can work to our advantage. I will allready here tell i state loud and clear in precommunication "i have no time for serious relationship right now but i hope we can be "good" friends"".

I hear and read punters having trouble getting them girls to their hotel and if they come straight to the hotel the girls are p4 p. Life is not so black and white no matter how long you stayed in phils and no matter how well people think they know what is going on. Different people will find different ways and what works for ne might not work for you and so on.

What I sense in general that girls these days are beeing more cautious than before to come straight to my hotel. Saying they have become more cautious does not mean it is out of the questions(not at all just have to go at it a tad stronger than before maybe). Jest press the right buttons and the girls keep popping into my room like before. So how to push the right buttons?

Well, as stated before what works for me might not work for you etc, but I make a very friendly approach in precommunication where I leave all my dirty thoughts away from the communication. I compliment them and tell them a few bullshit words about myself and what I do here in phils(i have to BS them as i have no biz in phils). I build report on them quite fast and I get them to trust me. After dealing with datingsites and other simularities for a good 10-15 years, and beeing relatively successful too, I can fast tell where a convo is going (almost in a blink of a second). If a girl reply late she is not that into you. If you get her to answer fast she makes you her priority and you have a fair 98/99% chance of succeed in bedding the poor lady, hehe. Other code breaking words I use after I understand she is into me is I highlight the fact I am only in town for short time and if we are going to meet it should happen realy fast (sometimes I use the frase "we have to be effective sweetie" With very few exceptions this tactic seems to work for the better on my behalf. The girls get interested into meeting me and they actually make an effort to do so. When you get them girls to this stage we can say without beeing offensive "I am in control". If you get a pinay inside your room I can not until this day remember not bedding her if I like to do so (based on the same tactic). Well I don't jump them or anything as I still play the nice guy and the guy that has to be effective. "can I have a kiss sweetie as you are a sexy peach" never fails and from kissing to bedplay it is only a few minutes. I know some people don't like to hear this but beeing a relatively young, healthy, normaly fit and tall guy of vikingblood does not seem to be any drawback (others may differ but I don't care as long as them girls keep coming). I put my pride in good hygenic standards and are allways well groomed and dressed.

I never mention anything regarding money as I want them to come over from other motivations and this works perfectly fine by me. Some will ask for transportationmoney and I say "ok" as long as they manage to get to my place. Sometimes I pretend I am stupid and ask her how much she thinks her transportation will cost (return incl). Actually I don't give a shit about her answer as firstly transportation here are very very cheap (taxi incl) and secondly I allways compensate them girls well anyway and they will walk away with no less than 2 k and often more. But they don't know this so I can balance my donations out of attitude, performance, looks etc etc. Some girls ofcourse start to talk about some trouble they have (indirect way of wanting cash). When this happens I refer to precommunications as this issue is well debated there. I am not interested in hearing about trouble or any family dramas as this is not my thing. I make a strong point out of the fact as if they are about to meet me they have to be positive and a "yes" person (also applies a bit up to the sex part, hehe).

In a couple of days I will hunt my way through manila again. I will once again be effective so I have duoed or trippled the girls up so they come over in groups rather than one by one. This is more effective timewice and if they are late it is better to wait for 3 girls than one. But nagging about beeing on time also seems to help. Once again back to "I only stay here short time" makes the girl actually making an effort to be on time according to my estimated time of arrival(ETA)sched. We all know how horrendous traffic can be in this town so I give girls a bit slack these days. I was more nazi earlier on and cancelled a few dates when they were 30 min late or more. I also give them examples as in "if I want you to come here noon you start travel 10 (almost no matter where in MNL they live). This agian means you have to start makeup and showers around 9 and so on and so on". Most of them get this so for a long time now girls have been on time according to my ETA.

I almost never date the girls as in normal fashion dating games. This happens only if i want to and then it could mean clubbing or go out to eat if i am hungry. I decide where and what to eat(mostly western joints). It is not like i am an asshole or anything so if a girl claims she is hungry and i am not she can get anything she wants ex white rice, hehe. Partly true but as i hate rice myself i say to them i am allergic to it(i am not, simply dont like it). This means the girls eat less and for the greater part it is educational as white rice is the poison of phils(atleast the way people there feast from it). Yes yes i understand it is cheap and that most people here have no choice than eating rice but still it is not healthy eating rice all the time all day. The mother of my phil baby must be a rare speciment as she dont eat rice at all(only veggies and good quality meat)and according to her our mutual daughter will not be introduced to white rice so she will be healthy from of which i am agreat big fan so no argument there(OT).

Don't know if this was helpful at all but atleast it is my MO.

Happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Skogis;1704436 Since you are adressing an issue many people ask me about. You are making a lot of good points, Sko. The girls are unbelievably sweet and gullible. So different than anywhere else I have been yet some of them have been hurt by poriners so they are a little more skeptical but still doable. I usually meet via DIA then skype then in real with lots of impromptus at LA cafe, Amazon or mall if I am lucky. To me it's like shooting fish in the barrel. The good ones become regulars and sure sometimes I Western Union them but really it is such a small amount, 1 or 2 K, (pesos of course) that I consider it a worthwhile charity. I don't think I've ever been shot down but maybe I am lucky. Anyhow, cheers, mate. I'll be there in October -Manila, Cebu, Angeles and Subic- for the annual tube cleaning hahha.

[QUOTE=Pip Jaeger;1702703.

More. I have ADD and get bored easily. Besides, variety is the spice of life, LOL. Indeed, my friend. HA! I don't know how people can choose just one chocolate when you can have a whole box. Never ending supply.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
Let along come RIGHT TO MY HOTEL? ESPECIALLY if you make it clear that money is NOT involved, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM.

To have them come RIGHT to your hotel for a first meeting? Your specifics would be greatly appreciated. I'm fully aware that perhaps.
[/QUOTE]Why would a non pro come directly to your room for a first meet if you make it clear no money is involved? What is the incentive?

Do you offer to pay their costs? Small gift? Dinner? Take them swimming? Would you tip them afterwards? Note Skogis girls are leaving with 2000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
Is that ALL the girls would NOT just come to my place for a first meeting. In fact, while I get tons of attention (dozens of emails and likes per day).[/QUOTE]Of course not all the girls will come. But if you don't tell (not ask, tell) her to come then you're not giving her the chance to say, "Okay. " Why are you denying her that opportunity? Be more considerate, like your momma taught you.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
They immediately shift into what I call the "suspicious female inquisition" mode of asking how long I am staying, how many girls.[/QUOTE]So what. Just tell them you promise discretion and don't discuss other women. I say this right in my profile and I restate it in my messages. Add that you will never ask her about other men. A lot of girls have this hang up about being judged. After you give her the reply I mentioned stop talking about other women. Move the conversation forward. Your goal from the beginning is to take the interest she has, establish rapport, get her to see you as a good guy who is safe and sane, and have her act on her interest.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
Why do I want to meet right away, am I "serious", etc. Etc. It's been hard enough to get them to meet for coffee.[/QUOTE]You might be setting yourself up for failure. Does your profile mention serious? Do you say this in your messages?

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
Let along come RIGHT TO MY HOTEL? ESPECIALLY if you make it clear that money is NOT involved, WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM.[/QUOTE]If you don't want money involved then simply say:"No money is involved. " You add that you'll cover transportation.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
To have them come RIGHT to your hotel for a first meeting? Your specifics would be greatly appreciated. I'm fully aware that perhaps.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have them come right to my condo. I suspect a possible problem is that you are in a hotel. Perhaps girls see you as a tourist. Think about using airbnb for a condo.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704377]
It is I that am being too cautious, but I certainly don't sense that any of these girls are open to that.[/QUOTE]You won't know until you try, will ya? The beauty of the Philippines is you can make mistakes in your approach and refine your craft without risk of an extended dry spell.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704383]BUT, when using the dating sites, while I get literally hundreds of likes, emails, etc.[/QUOTE]Sounds like your profile is unfocused or, worse, mentioning the things you think the girls want to hear but are untrue for you. When I first started on a dating site I used a generic profile mentioning I'm looking to meet a special someone for a relationship and let's have coffee, yada yada. I wasn't looking for that at all. I was wasting my time exchanging messages with far too many women and running around for meetings. Lucky for me I posted some ads on CL that got very good responses. The women who met me said that found what I wrote provocative and exciting. I changed my dating site profile to one talking about sex. (Don't do this on DIA.) Did I receive fewer emails and interests? Thank God yes. It allowed me to focus my attention and intention on those girls who were looking for some fun. Do all girls read my profile? Nope. So I always ask this: "Have you read my profile and do you understand what I'm looking for?" Some girls never reply back. Other girls reply, "Yes, that's why I contacted you. " And from there we more forward.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704383]They ALL make it clear "looking for serious" etc. Etc.[/QUOTE]Of course they do. So what? Why are you taking their words so seriously? If you, from the get go, entertain the "serious relationship" facade then the girl will think you're serious. Why are you misleading her? Stop doing that. Tell her what you're looking for (do so with a some humour and charm) and then let her decide.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704383]
And those who I like, and start communicating with, talk / write in such a way that. Sounds very clear they are the "suspicious of one night stand type men" types. Given this demeanor, that seems ubiquitous, what do I possibly say to invite them to my place. For a first meeting? Those that I HAVE met for "dates" (coffee or just a talk), have resulted in flirtation, and. A couple of makeouts, but then "I'm not ready" . . .[/QUOTE]Because you're meeting girls who genuinely want a serious relationship, ergo you're wasting your time. Or maybe they want a relationshop, one where you take them shopping. (It's kind of funny the word one makes up from a typo.) If you are meeting a girl again and again and it's going nowhere she has no interest fucking you. Cut your loses. This is why the first meeting ought to be at your place. She already has it in mind that she'll be fucking you. Then and there. She's prepared herself for that. When the first meeting is at Starbucks what she has in mind is a venti moccha frappachino.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704383]Am I choosing the wrong girls? Not being aggressive enough?[/QUOTE]Seems so. You're not being upfront from the get go. You are selling them a bill of goods that they see all the time. Most of the messages they receive are from overseas fellas who either 1) proclaim their love in the first message, or 2) want a cam show, or 3) immediately offer money for a fuck. These girls learn, some quickly and others not so fast. If you are repeating the same standard lines she sees dozens of times each day you're not differentiating yourself from the pack. You have a huge advantage. You are in the Philippines. I bet ninety per cent of the guys on the dating sites never set foot here. Don't be aggressive. Be assertive.

[QUOTE=Vagabundo69;1704383]I fully believe that I am sabotaging myself.[/QUOTE]Bingo!

[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1704556]Why would a non pro come directly to your room for a first meet if you make it clear no money is involved? What is the incentive?[/QUOTE]Women like sex too. You know that, right? They aren't all mercenaries.

[QUOTE=Makeupaname;1704556]Do you offer to pay their costs? Small gift? Dinner? Take them swimming? Would you tip them afterwards? Note Skogis girls are leaving with 2000 pesos.[/QUOTE]I cook them a meal often. Sometimes take them out to a movie or dinner. A nightclub. My condo has a pool. I have a rule of three. Three NSA hookups with a girl and if we both like each other then we may do other outside-the-bedroom activities together. Some girls are only sex. Other girls are a pleasure to hang out with too.

Have you ever seen the movie [i]What about Bob?[/i] There's a wonderful scene where Dr. Wiley tells Bob to take a vacation from himself. When you came to the Philippines on holiday you also packed your culture's dating practices and norms. Unpack that shit. Take a vacation from yourself.

I've been trying to hit up some girls on online dating sites with little success.

Tried DIA, FC and PL.

The only ones into me are usually older than me, not attractive, or have a kid.

Is PH much better in person or what?

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1704600]I've been trying to hit up some girls on online dating sites with little success.

Tried DIA, FC and PL.

The only ones into me are usually older than me, not attractive, or have a kid.

Is PH much better in person or what?[/QUOTE]Yes, read the forum and expand your mind.

Perhaps it's your approach, you're 17, or you're not attractive either.

I'm in my early thirties and definitely not bad looking. Have a solid job as well. Dunno.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1704859]I'm in my early thirties and definitely not bad looking. Have a solid job as well. Dunno.[/QUOTE]Not sure why, but your posts instantly made me recall a catchy song from my childhood that I have not heard it for at least 50 years:

[I]"Cos you've got, personality,
Walk, personality
Talk, personality
Smile, personality
Charm, personality
Love, personality
And of course you've got
A great big heart"[/I]

Just saying!

Ikksman

Hahaha true. I have *zero* game.

Can anyone direct me to a good FAQ or thread for those interested in moving to PH? I'm looking at Baguio, due to better climate. Anything wrong with that city?

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1704859]I'm in my early thirties and definitely not bad looking. Have a solid job as well. Dunno.[/QUOTE]Personally if you find it tough on the dating sites then don't come to the country as this really would challenge you and you would spend all day chatting to thin air as the girls are very hard nuts to crack IMHO.

Am sure many would agree as this board is full of those stories.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1704907]Hahaha true. I have *zero* game.

Can anyone direct me to a good FAQ or thread for those interested in moving to PH? I'm looking at Baguio, due to better climate. Anything wrong with that city?[/QUOTE]I have been to that city although it was quite a while ago. Dated a singer there who loved to suck the schwantztooka as it was good lubricant for her throat. Baguio of course is cooler and shady, nice little hills but also has developed a smog problem. Say Hello, to the Iggorots from me.