American Politics

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694567]It honestly baffles me how millions of Americans, who, unlike the Russians, have not been bombarded by endless government lies and propaganda day in and day out can have such cravings for authoritarianism. [/QUOTE]Apparently you haven't watched the Fox News nightly lineup. They are been sucking up to Putin for ages and can't really turn back at this point and save face. He's often been the lead symbol of anti-democratic authoritarianism which is alive and well in the US and Europe. It's back on it's heels at the moment but pressure must be kept up to keep it there. We are in an ideological war.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694569]The reason I believe we should REALLY get on it is this. Left to its own devices Russia will always remain a threat to the world. One way or another, Russia must embrace democracy. Hell, we can see how a simple thug can turn into an empire-building maniac by staying in power for 20 years.[/QUOTE]An ethical country doesn't stand by and watch a weaker but democratic one get mauled by a slimey tyrant. It's a true joy watching those ill designed Russian tanks get blown to bits. Anyone that doesn't like it needs to go to Russia and live, spread their poison around there and not in the states. That would include twits like Rand Paul, who blames NATO while ignoring the fact that former Soviet nations have agency, enjoyed freedom, wanted EU integration, and asked for protection knowing Russia's history of war crimes. Paul in his grandstanding is incapable of the simplest analysis, and needs to get back to prescribing eyeglasses.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694567]It honestly baffles me how millions of Americans, who, unlike the Russians, have not been bombarded by endless government lies and propaganda day in and day out can have such cravings for authoritarianism. Seriously, I don't care about their political views, but this adoration for Putin is insane. 100 miles from Moscow or St. Petersburg people live in squalid conditions, often without heat, running water, or indoor plumbing. Only an idiot can think that Putin is an effective leader. There is debilitating unemployment, massive chronic alcoholism and relentless corruption everywhere, from schools to hospitals. These idiots love Putin for his tough talk, while the truth is he's a coward and always has been. He's an accidental president who got the job by being at the right place at the right time and by agreeing to commit every crime in the book his former masters asked him to. Yeah, what a great role model![/QUOTE]He's an accidental president who got the job by being at the right place at the right time and by agreeing to commit every crime in the book his former masters asked him to. Yeah, what a great role model.

Do you know what a house slave was?

Well you misspelled Barry Hussein.

[URL]https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/401783/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-obama-still-killing-children[/URL]

[URL]https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-presidency-0812/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush[/URL]

[URL]https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/12/17/obamas-murderous-drone-legacy-will-haunt-the-biden-administration/[/URL]

Then here again you misspell Zelensky.

People live in squalid conditions, often without heat, running water, or indoor plumbing. Only an idiot can think that Putin is an effective leader. There is debilitating unemployment, massive chronic alcoholism and relentless corruption everywhere, from schools to hospitals.

Your are right, these "isolationist naysayer unsophisticated fools" think their lives will be better if they avoid military service in the trenches surrounding Kiev in 20 degree below zero weather! Let us know when you enlist in the Ukie Legion and keep us updated on your life in the trenches dodging Russian thermobaric rockets and napalm! Some of us "naysayer unsophisticated" here prefer to avoid World War III and getting nuked. You talk the talk, now it is time for you to walk the walk! LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2694580]These are people in the isolationist mindset of Trump or Buchannan, they think their lives will be better, that they will have more money, or in the case here, more money to buy pussy, if we stay out of international conflicts. But that is drastically too simplistic. A world where authoritarianism wins over democracy will ultimately effect our friends in Europe as well as us. It is already effecting us, and anyone who believes backing down will offer relief, especially with someone like Putin, is a fool. It will only increase the pressure as weakness is betrayed, which is precisely what they are looking for. The vast majority of the GOP and the Dems say no fucking way. Our naysayers are typically dipshit shit kickers that lack the sophistication to analyze these matters.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Travv;2694775]Your are right, these "isolationist naysayer unsophisticated fools" think their lives will be better if they avoid military service in the trenches surrounding Kiev in 20 degree below zero weather! Let us know when you enlist in the Ukie Legion and keep us updated on your life in the trenches dodging Russian thermobaric rockets and napalm! Some of us "naysayer unsophisticated" here prefer to avoid World War III and getting nuked. You talk the talk, now it is time for you to walk the walk! LOL.[/QUOTE]Exactly. If you look at the economics, it benefits everyone to have this be a cease fire. Well, it benefits all parties except the Democrats that think this war is going to benefit them at the polls in November, and that is why it is continuing. The Democrats are willing to fight the Russians to the last dead Ukrainian.

That the Democrats want to see Putin gone and imagine that a Jesus type is going to emerge as leader and Democracy is going to fall down in Russia is pie in the sky thinking. Biden came out and said that Putin cannot stay in power and now we have the dumb Dems agreeing with it. The Russian people were serfs, respect a strong leader, and it is zero surprise to me that the most recent Democratic initiate begun in Russia 20 something years ago has resulted in Russia having a dictator. That is what the people there want believe it or not.

Instead of dealing with the reality of saving the world economy and as many lives of Russians and Ukrainians as possible, we see the dumb Dems in a contest of who can hate Putin the most. That does no good and is even harmful, but it is virtue signaling at its finest.

And it makes me wonder why. Is this really about the invasion and the tragedy of all those who died or is it irrational payback for the dumb Dems who still blame Putin for Trump winning in 2016?

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2694577]We have seen them, young and free Russians out in the streets, with VPNs, smartphones in hands willing to get beat up and jailed for their beliefs. I've talked to them on a regular basis in Instagram and FB. They are against what is going on but at the same time are scared. We need to support them however we can as well as Ukraine. Do not forget the Russian dissidents![/QUOTE]And I do admire these people, don't get me wrong, but they are a tiny, tiny minority. Most Russians either support the war or don't give a shit, and many of those who don't support the war are only concerned with their own inconveniences the sanctions have brought on: price hikes, rising unemployment, inability to vacation in Europe, etc. This is Russia's mindset for now, it's unfortunate, but true.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2694693]An ethical country doesn't stand by and watch a weaker but democratic one get mauled by a slimey tyrant. It's a true joy watching those ill designed Russian tanks get blown to bits. Anyone that doesn't like it needs to go to Russia and live, spread their poison around there and not in the states. That would include twits like Rand Paul, who blames NATO while ignoring the fact that former Soviet nations have agency, enjoyed freedom, wanted EU integration, and asked for protection knowing Russia's history of war crimes. Paul in his grandstanding is incapable of the simplest analysis, and needs to get back to prescribing eyeglasses.[/QUOTE]Rand Paul isn't stupid. He's either a paid Russian shill or they might have something on him. Same as Tucker. Occam's Razor still stands, I think.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2694725]He's an accidental president who got the job by being at the right place at the right time and by agreeing to commit every crime in the book his former masters asked him to. Yeah, what a great role model.

Do you know what a house slave was?

Well you misspelled Barry Hussein.

[URL]https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/401783/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.cato.org/commentary/why-obama-still-killing-children[/URL]

[URL]https://theintercept.com/drone-papers/the-assassination-complex/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a14627/obama-lethal-presidency-0812/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush[/URL][/QUOTE]Accidental President, you are describing Biden, perfectly. Covid and a corrupt media got him.

Elected. Now he is taking us down. War, Crime is Out of Control, Drug Problem getting worse daily, inflation, gas prices have almost doubled, great job! You can blame all this on the war.

[QUOTE=Travv;2694775]Your are right, these "isolationist naysayer unsophisticated fools" think their lives will be better if they avoid military service in the trenches surrounding Kiev in 20 degree below zero weather! Let us know when you enlist in the Ukie Legion and keep us updated on your life in the trenches dodging Russian thermobaric rockets and napalm! Some of us "naysayer unsophisticated" here prefer to avoid World War III and getting nuked. You talk the talk, now it is time for you to walk the walk! LOL.[/QUOTE]Once again: if you want to avoid a nuclear war, that must be a good enough reason to stand up to Vlad - the nuclear blackmailer NOW because he won't stop at Ukraine. Appeasement never works.

In addition, NATO or America aren't going to participate in a military confrontation with Russia. It's been made abundantly clear on at least a dozen separate occasions. Supplying Ukraine with weapons doesn't constitute an act of war. Read on how much armament USSR gave North Korea and Viet Cong.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694820]Once again: if you want to avoid a nuclear war, that must be a good enough reason to stand up to Vlad. The nuclear blackmailer NOW because he won't stop at Ukraine. Appeasement never works.

In addition, NATO or America aren't going to participate in a military confrontation with Russia. It's been made abundantly clear on at least a dozen separate occasions. Supplying Ukraine with weapons doesn't constitute an act of war. Read on how much armament USSR gave North Korea and Viet Cong.[/QUOTE]Delusional, providing weapons and money is an act of war, you can call it what you want.

[QUOTE=Travv;2694775]Your are right, these "isolationist naysayer unsophisticated fools" think their lives will be better if they avoid military service in the trenches surrounding Kiev in 20 degree below zero weather! Let us know when you enlist in the Ukie Legion and keep us updated on your life in the trenches dodging Russian thermobaric rockets and napalm! Some of us "naysayer unsophisticated" here prefer to avoid World War III and getting nuked. You talk the talk, now it is time for you to walk the walk! LOL.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/06/opinion/biden-ukraine-leaks.html[/URL]

Thanks Joe!

The dumbasses stuck their noses where they didn't belong.

I see them caving and looking weak Not Vlad!

Vlad will double down triple down.

Remember VOLGOGRAD.

When all else fails.

Press the fucking button and erase Kyiv.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694569]The reason I believe we should REALLY get on it is this. Left to its own devices Russia will always remain a threat to the world. One way or another, Russia must embrace democracy. Hell, we can see how a simple thug can turn into an empire-building maniac by staying in power for 20 years.[/QUOTE]Russia must embrace democracy? Define democracy? I'm guessing you mean the Davos agenda, submit and be a Beech to Wall St.

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/07/yes-we-con/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/reagan/binary-gender-oklahoma/2022/05/07/id/1068853/[/URL]

[URL]https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/06/dont-buy-into-sel/[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;2694464]In fact, I said nothing about the uptick the day the Fed raised rates. That was a side issue you introduced when you got stuck. Similar to your bizarre leap from the broad USA stock market to the European stock markets in this discussion. I merely pointed out the broad USA market closed firmly within Correction territory that day as it did in the days before and has in the days since while you have been hysterical about it crashing for months.

The Dow, your former favorite index for measuring the broad market and insisting the market is crashing, tanking, whatever for months before it consistently failed to deliver the horrible news you were hoping for and so you switched to the Nasdaq, is currently sitting at 10.75% below its all time record high close achieved under Biden.

If you have been taking notes, probably somewhere on page one of your notebook you will find my comments about single digit declines from record closing highs being considered nothing more that Sell-Offs, a decline between 10% and 20% being considered a Correction, which is actually generally a welcome, health-restoring event in the midst of a Bull Market Run and a decline closing greater than 20% being considered a Bear Market.

Much greater than that 20% and we're talking about Mega Bears, in my judgement, like the ones we had late in the previous 2 Repub potus administrations as well as before that and none in any Dem administration going back at least 100 years.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/politics/mayor-francis-suarez-hispanic-voters/2022/05/08/id/1068956/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2694810]Exactly. If you look at the economics, it benefits everyone to have this be a cease fire. Well, it benefits all parties except the Democrats that think this war is going to benefit them at the polls in November, and that is why it is continuing. The Democrats are willing to fight the Russians to the last dead Ukrainian.

That the Democrats want to see Putin gone and imagine that a Jesus type is going to emerge as leader and Democracy is going to fall down in Russia is pie in the sky thinking. Biden came out and said that Putin cannot stay in power and now we have the dumb Dems agreeing with it. The Russian people were serfs, respect a strong leader, and it is zero surprise to me that the most recent Democratic initiate begun in Russia 20 something years ago has resulted in Russia having a dictator. That is what the people there want believe it or not.

Instead of dealing with the reality of saving the world economy and as many lives of Russians and Ukrainians as possible, we see the dumb Dems in a contest of who can hate Putin the most. That does no good and is even harmful, but it is virtue signaling at its finest.[/QUOTE]Yep, the longer this goes on, it will only get worse for everyone. They will push Putin into a corner and he will do something really stupid.

Give him a marginal win and end this.

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694814]And I do admire these people, don't get me wrong, but they are a tiny, tiny minority.[/QUOTE]I disagree with this characterization, especially as it applies to the major cities, the young, and the cyber savy. The minority is significant among the young given the gauge of Alexi Navalny, but this all only relates to those who answer honestly to polls. With Putin comparing them to insects and promising purges the numbers are surely much higher.

[URL]https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201958/attitude-toward-activity-of-alexei-navalny-by-age-russia/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Xpartan;2694820]Once again: if you want to avoid a nuclear war, that must be a good enough reason to stand up to Vlad - the nuclear blackmailer NOW because he won't stop at Ukraine. Appeasement never works.

In addition, NATO or America aren't going to participate in a military confrontation with Russia. It's been made abundantly clear on at least a dozen separate occasions. Supplying Ukraine with weapons doesn't constitute an act of war. Read on how much armament USSR gave North Korea and Viet Cong.[/QUOTE]It's a proxy war, like we were involved with against the USSR routinely. It's our obligation as leaders of the free world. Appeasing cowards can cut on the cap key here and bring on the exclamation marks, but this doesn't absolve such responsibility. I still think I have the right idea with the wooden shipping crates, holes punched in the top, jugs of water, some junk food and cheap whiskey for mercy, delivery by the long route to Moscow. Why suck of from afar? Let them do it in person. Yo.