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[QUOTE=Dagamaard;1148042]Sounds good. So this place is not gaijin-friendly?[/QUOTE]All prior reports indicate that they are not gaijin-friendly. I didn't see such a sign out front, but then again I was rather preoccupied with just BSing my way inside.If you look Japanese and can understand them, you can just answer yes or no their questions and get in. And know numbers so you can pick a girl.

[QUOTE=Flyingp;1148698]Did she happen to say where she was from? I happen to know an Aya who is an English teacher and is close to 29 and a bit average looking who also likes karaoke and doesn't drink. But she doesn't live in Tokyo. Seems a bit too coincidental.[/QUOTE]She said she was from Ishikawa, in Kansai. I hope I remembered the name right, but definitely from Kansai.

Hey guys; I've been lurking in these boards for a long time, and its from here that I have tried all of the mongering instatutions that I have tried. But my friends, I feel at a loss.Two times since I arrived at japan, I have tried p4p and both times were disatrous. The first was with asian mystique, as alot of people suggested that the big three (AM, ND, CB) were all good for english speakers trying to monger with minimal language skills. That turned out to be a disaster, as I choose Rio, who as nice as she was, was scratched and scarred on her body, and overall looked way off. I couldn't get past this through the whole session, and at the end, I felt empty, like I had wasted my money.The second time I went to Kings club, from reccomendations I saw on here. I did not make an appointment though, and even thought the free ride, kindness of the people, and overall enviroment was good, the girl I got was larger than I had expected, and a bit robotic. It was very hard to enjoy the latter part of the soapy experence due to her wieght. She was a very nice girl, and I don't have overly high expectations, but that was dissapointing.My budget is 60, 000 yen, and my japanese skills are minor. Enought generally to get from point A, to B, but not conversational yet. Working on it though. Also something oreinteted to mornings would be nice, as I work nights, but I would take a night off work for this last good run.So here I am, at a conundrum. I feel as though I should hang up the towel and call my mongering days to a end in Japan, but I want to give it one more shot, cause well, japanese women are hot. So I come to you with this. Reccomend me a place of your opionion (Or girl from a place that I've been) so that my confidence in japanese P4p is what I was always told before being stationed out here. I'm asking if there is any girl out there you think, that has the skills to pay the bills to restore my faith. I understand I don't have a post count here yet. But after weighing what options are put forth here, My plan is to do a detailed write up of my experience and share with you all. I very much hope you could please find the time to respond with your reccomendations. Thank you for reading.PS: I've heard good things about Minami from TMK and Erena From Kings club.

Well for my second outing, I have decided to visit Champs. I had a good experience last month at NYNY so I wanted to compare. The Gentleman at the entrance speaks a bit of English and was very friendly. He asked me what kind of lady I like. I told him that I will let him choose.After a few minutes looking at the girls book in the waiting room (same pictures as the website nothing more) I was presented with Airi. Nice enough young lady, very polite. A bit Chubby but I understand that it is the kind of lady I have to expect in these establishments.Went up the stairs to a room with a window, it was nice to get some natural light. She took some times to prepares everything and then proceeded to take my clothes off. I had to help her a bit. Then same ritual as in NYNY bath, body wash, teeth wash. Then onto the bed. I was facing down as I did in NYNY, but she told me to turn around to get to business straight away. Fair enough, she spent a couple of minutes on my upper body with an avoiding FK. Maybe she is not into this. Then went down on my best friend. Deep throat was enjoyable but she was keen to get the job done rather quickly. CIM twenty minutes into the session (I may have been overloaded) not much touching either. It was a bit of a disappointment as I could get this done at home for free, I was expecting a bit more time control from her. Then, I had a short back massage and was back out on the street within thirty five minutes.I have to say that Megumi in NYNY, has done such a good job on me last time that it may be difficult for others to top it.I guess ill go to NYNY again next time, or maybe try a 3P at the Purple King esute. Anyone tried it before? Does it worth it?

[QUOTE=Exgeo; 1147705]asked for "hon ban" (sex) but was refused.[url]http://www.s-grimpeur.jp/top.php[/url][/QUOTE]Erm, a few words on manners might be in order here. FS is decidedly NOT on the menu at places like Grimpeur / 5A and asking for it in so many words is definitely not considered cool. (Indeed, asking for honban is at the very top of the "Don't" list promptly on display at all such places and on their websites.) The reasons are many: FS is technically illegal, whereas the other services provided are not; the girls may claim that they are not prostitutes, since they are not really having sex, and this in turn means that such shops can attract younger and cuter girls; married men can claim that they are not unfaithful to their wives, since they are not really having sex, etc. In either case, there is a clear line to be crossed. Anyway, never go to these places expecting FS. Just enjoy their other services! Asking for FS may turn the girl off, and if you are too obnoxious about it (I am not saying that you were, Exgeo) , she might report it to the shop and you may get banned. Even worse, it could even affect the chances of other gaijin getting in.Now, I'm not saying that FS never happens, just that it's quite rare (less than 10% in my rather extensive experience). Certain girls may do it, but most girls definitely won't. If the girl is in that sort of mood and she likes you, one thing may lead to the other, but you should ALWAYS let the girl take the initiative. Also, if you get lucky, try to be discreet about it. The fact that she did it with you doesn't mean she will do it with the next guy. Another thing is that these shops operate in a legal grey zone and don't want to attract attention to themselves by public announcements that they are offering illegal services.There are OTHER places that confusingly also advertise as "delivery health" shops, where FS is very much on offer. For the unitiated it may be difficult to tell them apart, but the FS places have a totally different pricing structure (eg. 35K for 90 minutes) and they don't have any reception counters, just a phone number. The telltale sign is that the girls will cover their eyes with their hand in the pictures, whereas in the non-FS shops the faces will usually be blurred.

[QUOTE=Sakaki;1147242]I was wondering if any of the Japanese speakers here know what the Japanese for GFE is?[/QUOTE] ICHA-ICHA means affectionate hugging and kissing etc.KOIBITO-PUREI means boyfriend / girlfriend play

[QUOTE=Porklobster]less than 10% in my ... experience[/QUOTE]YMMV depending on the type of shop, the specific shop, the specific girl, the era, the economy, the particular situation, and yourself. 10% is low. In my experience AT GRIMPEUR / 5A HEADS I have always gotten FS. 6 out of 6. I was probably a bit lucky, but generally I would say if you are not batting over 50% at Grimpeur then the issue may be with yourself (eg grooming, attitude, approach, etc.). Making your desire for FS known is sometimes the only way to find out if it's available and IT'S YOUR MONEY so there's no shame in doing so, but always remember that FS is not a foregone conclusion and if you are turned down just suck it up, grin and enjoy the rest of the service.

ES

[QUOTE=Evan Stoner; 1149660]YMMV depending on the type of shop, the specific shop, the specific girl, the era, the economy, the particular situation, and yourself. 10% is low. In my experience AT GRIMPEUR / 5A HEADS I have always gotten FS. 6 out of 6. I was probably a bit lucky, but generally I would say if you are not batting over 50% at Grimpeur then the issue may be with yourself (eg grooming, attitude, approach, etc.). Making your desire for FS known is sometimes the only way to find out if it's available and IT'S YOUR MONEY so there's no shame in doing so, but always remember that FS is not a foregone conclusion.ES[/QUOTE]Put it down to my approach if you like, but as I said, I never really ask because I know that you're not supposed to. Then again, I quite enjoy the regular services, without having to fiddle with rubbers and things. 10% is an average over a wide range of health-type shops and girls over 20 years. If I want FS, I go elsewhere. I haven't been to Grimpeur in quite a while, so maybe things are different there now.What I was trying to say is that I think it's a bad idea to suggest that you have some sort of right to expect FS at health places. If you can get away with it, good for you, but it certainly isn't the rule. And bending the rules is a major reason why so many shops ban foreigners altogether.Look at it this way: if a girl is going to offer extracurricular FS to everybody, she would earn a lot more working for a shop where FS is on the menu to begin with.

[QUOTE=Porklobster;1149415]There are OTHER places that confusingly also advertise as "delivery health" shops, where FS is very much on offer. For the unitiated it may be difficult to tell them apart, but the FS places have a totally different pricing structure (eg. 35K for 90 minutes) and they don't have any reception counters, just a phone number. The telltale sign is that the girls will cover their eyes with their hand in the pictures, whereas in the non-FS shops the faces will usually be blurred.[/QUOTE]These are often listed under "high class or premium", but admittedly it can be tough to know, as all you have to go on is the price.

[QUOTE=SgtKreoss; 1149400]Hey guys;

I've been lurking in these boards for a long time, and its from here that I have tried all of the mongering instatutions that I have tried. But my friends, I feel at a loss.

Two times since I arrived at japan, I have tried p4p and both times were disatrous. The first was with asian mystique, as alot of people suggested that the big three (AM, ND, CB) were all good for english speakers trying to monger with minimal language skills. That turned out to be a disaster, as I choose Rio, who as nice as she was, was scratched and scarred on her body, and overall looked way off. I couldn't get past this through the whole session, and at the end, I felt empty, like I had wasted my money.

The second time I went to Kings club, from reccomendations I saw on here. I did not make an appointment though, and even thought the free ride, kindness of the people, and overall enviroment was good, the girl I got was larger than I had expected, and a bit robotic. It was very hard to enjoy the latter part of the soapy experence due to her wieght. She was a very nice girl, and I don't have overly high expectations, but that was dissapointing.

My budget is 60, 000 yen, and my japanese skills are minor. Enought generally to get from point A, to B, but not conversational yet. Working on it though. Also something oreinteted to mornings would be nice, as I work nights, but I would take a night off work for this last good run.

So here I am, at a conundrum. I feel as though I should hang up the towel and call my mongering days to a end in Japan, but I want to give it one more shot, cause well, japanese women are hot. So I come to you with this. Reccomend me a place of your opionion (Or girl from a place that I've been) so that my confidence in japanese P4p is what I was always told before being stationed out here. I'm asking if there is any girl out there you think, that has the skills to pay the bills to restore my faith. I understand I don't have a post count here yet. But after weighing what options are put forth here, My plan is to do a detailed write up of my experience and share with you all. I very much hope you could please find the time to respond with your reccomendations. Thank you for reading.

PS: I've heard good things about Minami from TMK and Erena From Kings club. [/QUOTE]I had Manami when she was still at AM, that goes back probably 3-4 years back. She was, then, fantastic. Whether she still is today, I don't know. I fear that she may be a bit worn out, now that she works for herself.

Had Erena at king's club recently. Good body, as advertised, good service, nice and friendly; you have to ask for the mattress soapy play if you want it, otherwise she will skip it. Her english slightly less good than my japanese, which means not much, so we had basic conversation in Japanese. One caveat:face is very ordinary, so that can put some off.

One thing crossed my mind: some girls have their faces blurred on websites, and some not. Initially I thought it was because some wanted to preserve their privacy. But I am now convinced that it is the shop which decides, and blurrs those whose face is not so great. So, when choosing on the website, pick up only girls with clear faces. Or ask to see her before commiting.

[QUOTE=Porklobster; 1149415]Erm, a few words on manners might be in order here. FS is decidedly NOT on the menu at places like Grimpeur / 5A and asking for it in so many words is definitely not considered cool. (Indeed, asking for honban is at the very top of the "Don't" list promptly on display at all such places and on their websites.) The reasons are many: FS is technically illegal, whereas the other services provided are not; the girls may claim that they are not prostitutes, since they are not really having sex, and this in turn means that such shops can attract younger and cuter girls; married men can claim that they are not unfaithful to their wives, since they are not really having sex, etc. In either case, there is a clear line to be crossed. Anyway, never go to these places expecting FS. Just enjoy their other services! Asking for FS may turn the girl off, and if you are too obnoxious about it (I am not saying that you were, Exgeo) , she might report it to the shop and you may get banned. Even worse, it could even affect the chances of other gaijin getting in.

Now, I'm not saying that FS never happens, just that it's quite rare (less than 10% in my rather extensive experience). Certain girls may do it, but most girls definitely won't. If the girl is in that sort of mood and she likes you, one thing may lead to the other, but you should ALWAYS let the girl take the initiative. Also, if you get lucky, try to be discreet about it. The fact that she did it with you doesn't mean she will do it with the next guy. Another thing is that these shops operate in a legal grey zone and don't want to attract attention to themselves by public announcements that they are offering illegal services.

There are OTHER places that confusingly also advertise as "delivery health" shops, where FS is very much on offer. For the unitiated it may be difficult to tell them apart, but the FS places have a totally different pricing structure (eg. 35K for 90 minutes) and they don't have any reception counters, just a phone number. The telltale sign is that the girls will cover their eyes with their hand in the pictures, whereas in the non-FS shops the faces will usually be blurred. [/QUOTE]To all this, which is very true, I would jut add that you can expect FS at AM and in any soapland in Yoshiwara.

[QUOTE=Porklobster;1149691]10% is an average over a wide range of health-type shops and girls[/QUOTE]And 100% is an average for Grimpeur girls at the Grimpeur shop, which is the specific situation we are talking about, so it's arguably a more relevant number. Like another poster said, AM's price includes FS. On the other end of the spectrum, at some Chinese esute places your chance is basically zero. Grimpeur is a relatively high-percentage shop, so it pays to confirm with each individual girl what's on her dance card if you are after something specific.

By the way, I've been here 15 years and even the locals know that to say you're "not supposed" to ask for FS is nonsense. But if you don't ask your percentage is going to suffer, so that's going to help explain the 10 percent. To say, as I think we both are, that it depends and YMMV and yada yada is fine. To advise newbies not to bother asking is to recommend that they throw their money away.

ES

Hello guys,Has anyone met her?Is she a GFE?I need review please!

[QUOTE=Evan Stoner; 1149847]And 100% is an average for Grimpeur girls at the Grimpeur shop, which is the specific situation we are talking about, so it's arguably a more relevant number. Like another poster said, AM's price includes FS. On the other end of the spectrum, at some Chinese esute places your chance is basically zero. Grimpeur is a relatively high-percentage shop, so it pays to confirm with each individual girl what's on her dance card if you are after something specific.

By the way, I've been here 15 years and even the locals know that to say you're "not supposed" to ask for FS is nonsense. But if you don't ask your percentage is going to suffer, so that's going to help explain the 10 percent. To say, as I think we both are, that it depends and YMMV and yada yada is fine. To advise newbies not to bother asking is to recommend that they throw their money away.

ES[/QUOTE]I agree that if you don't ask, you are unlikely to get.

I guess the comment was more about "how" to ask, rather than wether to ask. If the guy just say" honban?" at the beginning, with no other word, that may be rough. But yes, during the course of the action, if things are going smoothly, to slowly nicely ask the question may be fine, and more importantly, acceptingt a "no" answer with a smile.

Actually, while at King's club, during play, I started to massge the backdoor of my girl. Then I gently ask whether there was a possiblity to go further. She said "iie", and that was it. No harm done.

I was trolling around in the Erolin homepage the other day and came across the link for the deli health provider 'Elf' in Shibuya, so decided to give them a try.I got myself to Shibuya and gave them a call (the number is on their homepage link). The guy on the phone was pleasant and helpful, though spoke only Japanese. He confirmed foreigners are OK if they can speak some Japanese, and asked me where I was. I told him I was on Dogenzaka, just in front of Royal Host, so he told me to wait a minute and he would come to meet me.Sure enough one minute later, he met me on the street and brought me up to their office-second floor of the colorful pink 'Baby Doll' building on the corner of Dogenzaka and the narrow pedestrian path leading toward Center Gai-the entrance is on Dogenzaka.In the office I 'registered' (fake name of course) , was given a members card and asked about my 'course' preference. Interestingly, though their homepage lists a 40 min option for ?10000, his price list did not offer that-the cheapest course they have is 50 mins for ?14000, with the hotel fee extra. I chose the 50 min course, told him to please give me a slim gal, paid, and then he escorted me to the love hotel around the corner-90 mins for ?2500, which means the total cost was ?16, 500.Got to my room and waited around 15 mins for the gal to show up-Aoi is her name and she is the first gal listed on their home page-her pic definitely matches her real life looks. Cute face, with a nice petite body.As for her service. Hmmm, a bit strange. She was very sweet and gentle, but quiet, and very slow in her movements and responses. She immediately began undressing me, then to my surprise, with me in the buff but her still fully-clothed, she told me to get on the bed, which I did. I asked her about a shower and she just smiled and said 'ato de'. Then she knelt beside me on the bed and started stroking my chest quite tenderly, at which point I asked her if she was going to take her clothes off. Once again, she just smiled and then removed all her clothing. Hmmm...Then she more or less got to work. Though once again, in her rather slow, oddly deliberate way. Three gentle but quick kisses on the mouth, then she slowly worked her way down to my nether regions. On route she coo'd a few times 'kimochi ii? '. However, whenever I began touching her breasts or stroking her inner thighs, she deliberately angled herself out of my reach. She seemed to want all of the touching and stroking to be one way, which in my experience is not the usual deli health modus operendi. Stange! I didn't press the matter, especially when she started licking my nuts and delectably rimming me with her tongue. Then she brought out the lotion and lathered me up while she squatted on top of me for the Sumata finale. Once again, she angled herself away from me, just out of my reach of her breasts. Nonetheless, it didn't take long for me to explode, after which she asked 'kimochi yokatta? ', cleaned me up and then curled up beside me resting her head on my shoulder. We chatted like that for about 10 mins, during which I was surprised to learn that she has been working there for over a year. I somehow thought that maybe her reticence to be touched was due to her having been a newbie at the job.A bit strangely also, given her determination for me not to be pleasuring her at all. She asked me what I was doing after our session, was I busy, and would I like to extend the session with her. I told her I couldn't as I was busy, but maybe next time. At that point we both showered (separately, which again seemed to deviate from the normal deliheath MO). We got dressed, she gave me her card, having written the usual 'please come see me again', offered me a sweet little hug and we left.All in all, a rather 'different' deli health experience, not exactly unsatisfying, but a speck frustrating as one normally expects a more mutually 'hands on' exchange. However, the shop itself seems user friendly, reasonably priced (same as Grimpeur) , and conveniently situated. I'll probably try them again-and ask for a different gal.Manta Ray