Kyiv

Well any way I entered the site, and pay for trial,

In my search more or less I found that some girls are fake or from other agencies, some of theme only post emails or ICQ or Emails and telephone, I make searches in google, and thats when I found some of theme have same telefon, for diferent girls or pictures, BUT. Also find 2 or 3 girls that look real, and check the info, also mail, and they are in other websites, with the same pictures, name telephone etc.

This are the links of the real ones.

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3004.html[/url]

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-7374.html[/url]

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-7823.html[/url]

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3015.html[/url]

The next one, I remeber that I have see her before, but not sure if in gia escort agency or were, the link is this.

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3036.html[/url]

She is really nice.

Ok, guys next step is when arrive, to contract them, and see is everything fits. =)

And Kiyv's massage places.

So much work goes into flirting with a girl, or striking a business deal, and them treating them appropriately, most of the time they want the princess treatment, and in bed they are often passive or semi-passive.

I love massage, because there, for a low price, the girl (s) take care of you for the entire time, from beginning to end! There is no f. Ing, but the quality of the girls I've found is generally very high (with a few exceptions. Of course).

Tried several recipes:

1. Rakuena, one girl for two hours, two girls for one hour, generally around 400-450 for single girl. 700-800 for two hours or two girls, single release. Their massage skills vary, some are very good. Full body slide massage every time, and you can fondle them at your leisure except the Y. There are some real stunning beauties working there (9-10 easy) , with boobs to die for! Always 5-7 girls working when I went. Leave a 100 tip per girl to make them happy to see you again.

2. Salon Dolly, girls a little less quality, but god do they make up for it in efforts! My favorite place I think. I always went for two girls for 750, double release. 90 minutes, and they are not clock watchers. Again, fondle at your leisure. You can also add three girls, three hours, kinda build your massage type of arrangement. Some girls will kiss you, some with will even dfk, but YMMV. Always fun to have several hands teasing you, still no touching the Y, but they make sure you leave very happy. One night, had a stunning beauty, who must have been 18 plus one day, but a real dream body, very firm natural see-cup and eyes to die for.

3. Salon Chocolate-Studio. Lower quality girls (solid 7s at least though) , cheap prices, clean place, and again the girls truly compensate with their efforts. And the massages I received there were the real things, those girls have taken classes for sure. At 400h for one your, what do you have to loose? They also have a hookah program, with three girls, which I didn't try yet but is on my to do list.

In any of these places, forget about oral or penetration. Although someone here mentioned he's seen it, I doubt it seriously. But those girls are pro and some of them have that technique of getting on top of you and simulating coit while holding you with their hands. They are so good that in the moment sometimes you really wonder if you're inside her. I tell you, illusion is strong and their tight hand pressure while doing this give you amazing orgasms!

Last option for you: take-out. I wanted to see if more was on the menu. You can ask any of those places to send the girl to your place for an agreed-upon amount of time, provide you pay taxi on top of the fee. Tried two different girls from two places, and maybe I got unlucky, but they were adhering to the no-coit rule. They will lay down in the bed with you and fondle as if you were making love, one even allowed dfk, but both strictly adhered to the manual release. The last one though was so horny (I tried my best, and it certainly was working!) that I could feel her very wet as she was rubbing her pussy against my leg, but she did hold those legs very tightly closed! That girl was amazingly resistant to tease! She admitted afterwards, just before leaving, having been tempted! Shit, girl. Why didn't you let go.

Anyhow, although I for sure do love the real sex with a girl, those massages places are a fun hobby in between! Cheap, very pretty girls, and usually top notch service!

Happy times!

[QUOTE=Sponsor74; 1165671]Hi LJ,

My contribution to your query, this approach is very personal and I see case by case. First is of course eyes contact and see here reaction if I think positive, then second step: e. G. Names, study or work, a short introduction from myself (very carefully not to give too much details and I use to say I am there for long time). Most of these girls have financial problems and looking for some extra money for shopping or mobiles etc.

My proposal is to walk and see the shopping malls and check her reaction all these products (in my opinion for good quality Kiev is very expensive) then my proposal is to go to my apartment because I carry some fashion clothes or cosmetic which most of these girls like.

Then in the apartment is easier to continue and arrange a competitive price and time too.

In past visits to Kiev these girl were in the Main Street or shopping centers. Now I don't know which other places are good to find them, because these girls in these places are more expensive and therefore wonder other places or streets with good results.

I trust this help and look forward to other contributions too[/QUOTE]Very interesting. Eye contact. Introductions. An invitation to walk together in mall and shop together. It all sounds plausible and so far your suggestion is somethinge other men could also do.

But then you wrote,"my proposal is to go to my apartment because I carry some fashion clothes or cosmetic which most of these girls like." Here is where most guys will not be able to follow your methods so easily. Not many guys carry ladies fashion clothes and cosmetics, or would even know what you have in mind.

Although I get the general idea of having things on hand to give as gifts that girls might want, perhaps you could suggest certain things specifically for guys to purchase and have on hand in our apartments that would serve the purpose?

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1165429]KievGuy, that is a good suggestion, but it only covers the time period of the early AM hours after midnight when normal pedestrian traffic would be minimal, and so possible WG's stand out.

However, the guys on this forum who have been insisting that they can get beautiful girls for $60 off the street and stores in Kiev (Lukasek, Stevie69 and others) , have written that there are hundreds of beautiful girls to pick from on the streets of Kiev. So they cannot be talking about just a few girls sitting on a bench at 1 AM. They are talking about prime-time during the day and early evening hours when there are hundreds of girls out and about on K street and in the stores and malls.

What is needed here are some answers to the questions I posed on how it is possible to tell if a girl is a potential WG or semi-pro and how to lead the initial conversation toward the proposition of money for sex in order to get them into bed, without a long drawn out dating process?

The problem remains the same: One wants to avoid propositioning a regular non-working girl with an offer of sex for money and all the embarrasment that might ensue from that. If it simply amounts to trying to pick up girls with an approach that treats them as freebies, with no mention of money for sex, and simply wait for the girl to raise the issue of payment, and deal with it if and when she does. Then there is a serious limitation in this for older guys (40+ or 50+) for whom it might be difficult to start pursuing 18. 22 year old university-age girls on the street as freebies.

So I would ask again if there is some way you guys who have made these claims have devised, to sniff out, or figure out if a girl is a WG?

The answer to this question is important, because if one can know in advance somehow that a girl would be receptive to a proposition of sex for money, then it would be ok for an older guy to approach this girl too, and it would be safe to not waste time with the dating process (of taking their number, calling them for a date, having dinner, wining and dining them, etc, etc, and hoping on a future date to "get some" as is done universally world-over when dating a normal girl) and instead to get right to the proposition of going straight to your apartment for some fun. No waste of time.

Furthermore, the "Play Book" needs answers and descriptions of all the stages of this pursuit, which included, how to select the girl to approach, where to do this best, how to successfully approach, how to avoid an embarrassing situation of propositioning a girl who is not a WG, what to say, how to lead the conversation, how to get the girl into your apartment, how to get things to the next level, how to make the first sexual move, or anything that could help guys of middle age who haven't been engaged in picking up young girls from the street for many years, get a better idea on how to do this.

NOTE:

If it turns out, as the lack of any concrete or useful response on these questions is beginning to suggest, that girls on K street must all be approached and pursued in the normal way a guy picks up girls, I. E. As freebies, and it is for the girls to raise any money issue, then the readers here should know that the entire discussion of street girls as a practical alternative to getting girls from strip clubs or nightclubs was total BS. This is because of (a) the time factor, and (be) the age factor. The "freebie" from the street requires much more time to pursue and develop than may be available on a short weekend visit to Kiev (time-factor). And the pursuit of young university girls between the ages of 18 to early 20's (the ages of the strippers in Rio) would not so acceptably be done by guys who are way too old for them as normal prospective dates (age-factor). Therefore, although potentially much cheaper, young university-age girls from the "street" are not a practical alternative at all for guys who are 40+ and in town for a short visit, compared to getting a girl from Rio.

Of course, during daytimes when strip clubs and nightclubs are closed, guys who are 40+ can always spend some of their time trying to pick up, as freebies, women who appear to be more within the age of their socially acceptable "dating range", I. E. Women in their late 20's or 30's and who look hot, and maybe squeeze in a date during the time of one's visit to Kiev. But this is not a serious alternative to the quick solution to getting a very beautiful, very hot,"9" or "10" girl in her early 20's into your bed for the night as a sure thing!

LJ[/QUOTE]There's a far simpler explanation at work to explain the "success" of the guys here who say they've had a quality sexual experience with a beautiful girl they met on the street in Kiev for under $60, and that is that, quite simply, it is total bs, or it happened so long ago as to render it contextually meaningless. To suggest this is a viable approach for someone here for a long weekend in 2011 is ludicrous at best, if your standards are as high as I'm hearing. I can believe you can get an average quality Kiev girl in the 5-6 range for that price, but for under 500 UAH you won't find the beautiful knockouts I keep hearing about from the clubs. And I would add that even for the average Kiev girl, you'd better be VERY CAREFUL in how you bring this up, because, desperate or not, they AREN'T working in a strip joint for a reason. And that's because they aren't yet that desperate!

I have met some non WGs that go for that price, but I live here and have the luxury of time. And these were not the drop dead gorgeous conquests that I hear about the club girls. In fact, even then, at a much higher price, I'm not a total believer, because I've been to these clubs and what I saw was 7-9s, definitely NO 10s, and mostly in the 7 range. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. But at least at the clubs we can all agree that at some price most of the girls will go with you especially if you know the lingo.

I make no pretense here. I'm an average looking guy with an average "game". And I'm 54. If you're a VERY good looking guy with a great game and are younger than me I'm sure you can do better than me given time. But we've already established that's a commodity that most of you don't have. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't waste ten minutes pursuing this "poor Kiev girl on the street" nonsense actively if I were you and had only a 2-3 day window. Yes, if BY PURE CHANCE you meet a girl in a shop, bar, whatever, you might gently suggest something, but I wouldn't count on it at all. I suspect strongly that much of what I've read here has the same credibility as an old Penthouse letter to the editor.

[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1165179]KievGuy,

Nice report, well done.

Would be interesting to know the name or web-site of this sex tour company.

VG.[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, but my date with this girl totally bombed, and I don't want to give her any business. I actually think she would do a pretty good job, but given the way she treated me, screw her!

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1165429]KievGuy, that is a good suggestion, but it only covers the time period of the early AM hours after midnight when normal pedestrian traffic would be minimal, and so possible WG's stand out.

However, the guys on this forum who have been insisting that they can get beautiful girls for $60 off the street and stores in Kiev (Lukasek, Stevie69 and others) , have written that there are hundreds of beautiful girls to pick from on the streets of Kiev. So they cannot be talking about just a few girls sitting on a bench at 1 AM. They are talking about prime-time during the day and early evening hours when there are hundreds of girls out and about on K street and in the stores and malls.

What is needed here are some answers to the questions I posed on how it is possible to tell if a girl is a potential WG or semi-pro and how to lead the initial conversation toward the proposition of money for sex in order to get them into bed, without a long drawn out dating process?

The problem remains the same: One wants to avoid propositioning a regular non-working girl with an offer of sex for money and all the embarrasment that might ensue from that. If it simply amounts to trying to pick up girls with an approach that treats them as freebies, with no mention of money for sex, and simply wait for the girl to raise the issue of payment, and deal with it if and when she does. Then there is a serious limitation in this for older guys (40+ or 50+) for whom it might be difficult to start pursuing 18. 22 year old university-age girls on the street as freebies.

So I would ask again if there is some way you guys who have made these claims have devised, to sniff out, or figure out if a girl is a WG?

The answer to this question is important, because if one can know in advance somehow that a girl would be receptive to a proposition of sex for money, then it would be ok for an older guy to approach this girl too, and it would be safe to not waste time with the dating process (of taking their number, calling them for a date, having dinner, wining and dining them, etc, etc, and hoping on a future date to "get some" as is done universally world-over when dating a normal girl) and instead to get right to the proposition of going straight to your apartment for some fun. No waste of time.

Furthermore, the "Play Book" needs answers and descriptions of all the stages of this pursuit, which included, how to select the girl to approach, where to do this best, how to successfully approach, how to avoid an embarrassing situation of propositioning a girl who is not a WG, what to say, how to lead the conversation, how to get the girl into your apartment, how to get things to the next level, how to make the first sexual move, or anything that could help guys of middle age who haven't been engaged in picking up young girls from the street for many years, get a better idea on how to do this.

NOTE:

If it turns out, as the lack of any concrete or useful response on these questions is beginning to suggest, that girls on K street must all be approached and pursued in the normal way a guy picks up girls, I. E. As freebies, and it is for the girls to raise any money issue, then the readers here should know that the entire discussion of street girls as a practical alternative to getting girls from strip clubs or nightclubs was total BS. This is because of (a) the time factor, and (be) the age factor. The "freebie" from the street requires much more time to pursue and develop than may be available on a short weekend visit to Kiev (time-factor). And the pursuit of young university girls between the ages of 18 to early 20's (the ages of the strippers in Rio) would not so acceptably be done by guys who are way too old for them as normal prospective dates (age-factor). Therefore, although potentially much cheaper, young university-age girls from the "street" are not a practical alternative at all for guys who are 40+ and in town for a short visit, compared to getting a girl from Rio.

Of course, during daytimes when strip clubs and nightclubs are closed, guys who are 40+ can always spend some of their time trying to pick up, as freebies, women who appear to be more within the age of their socially acceptable "dating range", I. E. Women in their late 20's or 30's and who look hot, and maybe squeeze in a date during the time of one's visit to Kiev. But this is not a serious alternative to the quick solution to getting a very beautiful, very hot,"9" or "10" girl in her early 20's into your bed for the night as a sure thing!

LJ[/QUOTE]And another thing. This may sound strange in a forum like this but I don't like the idea of lying to a girl in order to get into her pants. Pathetic. If you can't be honest with a woman, jerk yourself off! I'm not directing this at you at all LJ, but to try to seduce a twenty something girl with some lie about the way you make a living or a promise about how long you're staying strikes me as more than just a little slimy.

[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1165944]There's a far simpler explanation at work to explain the "success" of the guys here who say they've had a quality sexual experience with a beautiful girl they met on the street in Kiev for under $60, and that is that, quite simply, it is total bs, or it happened so long ago as to render it contextually meaningless. To suggest this is a viable approach for someone here for a long weekend in 2011 is ludicrous at best, if your standards are as high as I'm hearing. I can believe you can get an average quality Kiev girl in the 5-6 range for that price, but for under 500 UAH you won't find the beautiful knockouts I keep hearing about from the clubs. And I would add that even for the average Kiev girl, you'd better be VERY CAREFUL in how you bring this up, because, desperate or not, they AREN'T working in a strip joint for a reason. And that's because they aren't yet that desperate!

I have met some non WGs that go for that price, but I live here and have the luxury of time. And these were not the drop dead gorgeous conquests that I hear about the club girls. In fact, even then, at a much higher price, I'm not a total believer, because I've been to these clubs and what I saw was 7-9s, definitely NO 10s, and mostly in the 7 range. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. But at least at the clubs we can all agree that at some price most of the girls will go with you especially if you know the lingo.

I make no pretense here. I'm an average looking guy with an average "game". And I'm 54. If you're a VERY good looking guy with a great game and are younger than me I'm sure you can do better than me given time. But we've already established that's a commodity that most of you don't have. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't waste ten minutes pursuing this "poor Kiev girl on the street" nonsense actively if I were you and had only a 2-3 day window. Yes, if BY PURE CHANCE you meet a girl in a shop, bar, whatever, you might gently suggest something, but I wouldn't count on it at all. I suspect strongly that much of what I've read here has the same credibility as an old Penthouse letter to the editor. [/QUOTE]Agree with you man.

Your reviews useful and factual. My experiences same as yours. Massage girls will not do it. It's the most frustrating but exciting thing. I have been fantasising about it for a year since I came back. I tried it wIth the Rakuena girls and it just doesn't happen. They must have been threatened with immediate expulsion by the management if they are found transgressing. The Rakuena girls so nice to chat to and intelligent etc. But impenetrable. I even tried getting on a bit of pussy licking to break down their defences but they wouldn't allow it. I had one appointment back at my app't in the hope it would happen but it's the same. The 'crazy girl' massage with two girls just fantastic by the way. I do wonder if its possibel to get a girl and boy from rakuena and watch them play with each other. That would be fun. I mailed asking but no reply.

I tried River Palace and you have to do a bit of work to get it. I mean smiling and so on, but as long as you persist you will get something. I didn't hold out long enuf to get a stunner but ended up with a reasonable looking one who approached me, chatted and offered while I was just leaning against a pillar. (2000) I also visited local strip places on Kreshtatic and was immediately offered sex. Either in my app't (1800) or at the back by the manageress. Some girls were just extraordinary. About seven foot six. Slim etc, ugh. I got sex from 'top models' although had the usual experience of 'bait and switch' with completely different girls (400). Acceptable but not the lovelies I had looked forward to. One explained 'robot' when quizzed about the difference between photo and what turns up. So I guess she meant there's some automated system at work. After four or five days at it I felt so sick and ill with all the viagra I had to give up my search for perfection and get out of Kiev. I've been at this for years and its not easy. It's a constant hassle of chasing and deception. Next I plan to try Gia. What you see is what you get apparently, or a couple of apparently genuine Mambas, although I expect that is 99% agency scams. Incidentally, my friend was threatened with an overnight at the jail after being carted off by police for not being able to produce a passport. Had to fork out 1000 to get away.

[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1165944]There's a far simpler explanation at work to explain the "success" of the guys here who say they've had a quality sexual experience with a beautiful girl they met on the street in Kiev for under $60, and that is that, quite simply, it is total bs, or it happened so long ago as to render it contextually meaningless. To suggest this is a viable approach for someone here for a long weekend in 2011 is ludicrous at best, if your standards are as high as I'm hearing. I can believe you can get an average quality Kiev girl in the 5-6 range for that price, but for under 500 UAH you won't find the beautiful knockouts I keep hearing about from the clubs. And I would add that even for the average Kiev girl, you'd better be VERY CAREFUL in how you bring this up, because, desperate or not, they AREN'T working in a strip joint for a reason. And that's because they aren't yet that desperate!

I have met some non WGs that go for that price, but I live here and have the luxury of time. And these were not the drop dead gorgeous conquests that I hear about the club girls. In fact, even then, at a much higher price, I'm not a total believer, because I've been to these clubs and what I saw was 7-9s, definitely NO 10s, and mostly in the 7 range. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. But at least at the clubs we can all agree that at some price most of the girls will go with you especially if you know the lingo.

I make no pretense here. I'm an average looking guy with an average "game". And I'm 54. If you're a VERY good looking guy with a great game and are younger than me I'm sure you can do better than me given time. But we've already established that's a commodity that most of you don't have. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't waste ten minutes pursuing this "poor Kiev girl on the street" nonsense actively if I were you and had only a 2-3 day window. Yes, if BY PURE CHANCE you meet a girl in a shop, bar, whatever, you might gently suggest something, but I wouldn't count on it at all. I suspect strongly that much of what I've read here has the same credibility as an old Penthouse letter to the editor. [/QUOTE]KievGuy, your skepticism may well be deserved. I have noticed a number of people on this forum who insist that on the street in Kiev there are 100's of girls available for sex for less than $100, who are just as beautiful as the best looking of the hotties at Rio strip club. Examples of such posts are:

[QUOTE=Stevie69; 1161160]People interested in spending $500 a pop (all costs included) can easily stay home. An 'elite' companion in London, Paris, New York, or any other major city will cost about that much. Yes, you can also pay far more. They beauty about Kiev, and most of Eastern Europe for that matter, is that you can get the same type of girl for a fraction of the cost. If there were not this abundance of beautiful women, then people (like us) would not travel there to meet them.

On a nice summer day, in any city in Easter Europe, including Kiev, there are hundreds of beautiful women littering the streets. The difference with North America and some other parts of Europe? They are slim; they are elegant; they are feminine; they are sexy. You can go to Rio and pay $300 or more for a PROFESIONAL 'supermodel', or you can just stay home. Alternatively, you can have a perfectly beautiful 18 year-old student for under $100 who, in the back of her head, still hopes this meeting might turn into a real relationship, and will give you a great time. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stevie69; 1158773]I fully agree! $500 is a LOT of money in Ukraine. For that much, you might as well stay home, wherever that is, and save yourself the travel and accomodation costs. The beuty about Kiev is that a model type babe CAN be had for $100 or less. About the Knight's assertion that RIO women are supermodels and other babes are not, I respectufully disagree. Kiev is FULL of shockingly beutiful women! The difference is that int he strip bar they are naked, with platform shoes and the light is really bad. In reality, they are no more beautiful that the hundreds of babes littering the streets day and night.

The part about them being "supermodels" is true int he sense that they are profesionals and have figured out how to make the most money in their line of work, something they young students on Mamba have yet to figure out. What would you prefer, having Gisele, Marisa, Alessandra, Heidi, and Kate now, when they are "supermodels" at the top of their games and all nearly, or over. 30 years old? Or you would prefer them when they were 18-20 years old, and just starting in the business? Are they more beautiful now? Unlikely! It is just better that they have marketting now. [/QUOTE][QUOTE=Stevie69; 1156985]I do not knwo why people are promulgatind the idea of going to strip bars, paying cover, pricey drinks and 200 to 400 USD for services that can be had for a fraction of that cost.

IN mamba, top modesls, some other bars, and out on the street you can easily find perfectly sweet, unabashedly sexy, and incredibly firm 18-22 year-old students who will often be happy with 50 to 60 USD. Maybe they are not smart enough to know that people pay far more, or they do not consider themselves real professionals. Sometimes they are open to spending the night, sometimes for no extra charge (nice central apartment in a fresh bed or back home, they probably think). [/QUOTE]I have responded to posts like these in a number of previous posts with what I regarded as the facts about the options in Kiev. For newbies, it's worth reviewing those prior posts into which I put a good deal of effort to provide accurate information. Here are some links:

Your pictures were worth a thousand dollars

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1162239#post1162239[/url]

Best Bang For Your Buck

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1162052#post1162052[/url]

Let's try to be more accurate

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1159412#post1159412[/url]

Not Much Wrong

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1157445#post1157445[/url]

Like The Difference Between a Horse and a Mercedes!

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1157266#post1157266[/url]

Naked Hotness

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1156774#post1156774[/url]

I have personally observed the quality and quantity of the girls on Kreshatik at different times, as well as the girls in Rio strip club. I do not know what proportion of the girls I saw on Kreshatik might be agreeable with the idea of sex for money or the amount of that money. But regardless of that, I feel that the concentration of very pretty girls in one location like a strip club, is necessarily greater than what can be found on the street, any street, which has all types of other people, not just young pretty girls. In fact in one of my previous posts I described my attempt to get photos of all the hotties who I thought were to be found walking at any given time on Kreshatik, as the myth goes, because I wanted to show my buddies back home what they were missing by not coming with me to Kiev. And what I found out was, that in a half hour of waiting on Kreshatik near Maidan for a girl sufficiently hot to be worthy of a photo, I didn't find any to photograph, so I abandoned the project. It is a myth. Of course, one does sporadically encounter truly beautiful girls on Kreshatik. That is the truth upon which the myth is built. But it is not as common as one might think. Certainly to suggest that there are more pretty girls in any specific area of Kreshatik, than one would encounter in a strip club, is unlikely, and to assert that there are 100's of girls on the level of beauty of a 9 or 10 who are available for sex for less than $100, is sheer exaggeration. That was my opinion, based on my own observations and experiences to date.

However, I have an open mind. Also, I have not invested much time in attempting to pick up girls on Kreshatik of a very high level of beauty, so I don't know what percentage of them would be interested in sex for money, and what their prices might be. So while I take the claims of the writers who say that on the streets of Kiev 100's of beautiful girls can be had for sex for less than $100, with a big grain of salt, as the saying goes, I am open—minded to learn something new. So I invited those writers to tell the forum about their experiences and how they accomplished getting those girls they had from the streets. Unfortunately, to date, none of them has responded, so it seems that the claims are not well-founded.

But anyone who has made attempts to pick up girls for sex on Kreshatik, should definitely write a post about their 'war stories', as we all want to hear about it.

LJ

[QUOTE=ErickMorsa; 1165834]Well any way I entered the site, and pay for trial,

In my search more or less I found that some girls are fake or from other agencies, some of theme only post emails or ICQ or Emails and telephone, I make searches in google, and thats when I found some of theme have same telefon, for diferent girls or pictures, BUT. Also find 2 or 3 girls that look real, and check the info, also mail, and they are in other websites, with the same pictures, name telephone etc.

This are the links of the real ones.

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3004.html[/url]

[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-7374.html[/url]

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[url]http://www.russiansexbombs.com/girl-3015.html[/url][/QUOTE]Disappointing, to say the least. Thanks for sharing the info =)

[QUOTE=KievGuy; 1165944]There's a far simpler explanation at work to explain the "success" of the guys here who say they've had a quality sexual experience with a beautiful girl they met on the street in Kiev for under $60, and that is that, quite simply, it is total bs, or it happened so long ago as to render it contextually meaningless. To suggest this is a viable approach for someone here for a long weekend in 2011 is ludicrous at best, if your standards are as high as I'm hearing. I can believe you can get an average quality Kiev girl in the 5-6 range for that price, but for under 500 UAH you won't find the beautiful knockouts I keep hearing about from the clubs. And I would add that even for the average Kiev girl, you'd better be VERY CAREFUL in how you bring this up, because, desperate or not, they AREN'T working in a strip joint for a reason. And that's because they aren't yet that desperate!

I have met some non WGs that go for that price, but I live here and have the luxury of time. And these were not the drop dead gorgeous conquests that I hear about the club girls. In fact, even then, at a much higher price, I'm not a total believer, because I've been to these clubs and what I saw was 7-9s, definitely NO 10s, and mostly in the 7 range. Yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, etc. But at least at the clubs we can all agree that at some price most of the girls will go with you especially if you know the lingo.

I make no pretense here. I'm an average looking guy with an average "game". And I'm 54. If you're a VERY good looking guy with a great game and are younger than me I'm sure you can do better than me given time. But we've already established that's a commodity that most of you don't have. End of story, as far as I'm concerned. I wouldn't waste ten minutes pursuing this "poor Kiev girl on the street" nonsense actively if I were you and had only a 2-3 day window. Yes, if BY PURE CHANCE you meet a girl in a shop, bar, whatever, you might gently suggest something, but I wouldn't count on it at all. I suspect strongly that much of what I've read here has the same credibility as an old Penthouse letter to the editor. [/QUOTE]I couldn't agree more.

[QUOTE=KievGuy]And another thing. This may sound strange in a forum like this but I don't like the idea of lying to a girl in order to get into her pants. Pathetic. If you can't be honest with a woman, jerk yourself off! I'm not directing this at you at all LJ, but to try to seduce a twenty something girl with some lie about the way you make a living or a promise about how long you're staying strikes me as more than just a little slimy.[/QUOTE]It doesn't sound strange to me at all.

[QUOTE=Limarian;1166183]I tried River Palace and you have to do a bit of work to get it. I mean smiling and so on, but as long as you persist you will get something. I didn't hold out long enuf to get a stunner but ended up with a reasonable looking one who approached me, chatted and offered while I was just leaning against a pillar. (2000)[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the new venue or did you just get stuck up in time a couple of years ago? How would the new RP compare to the former one? And I suppose (2000) means UAH2000? For how long?

[QUOTE=Limarian;1166183]I also visited local strip places on Kreshtatic and was immediately offered sex. Either in my app't (1800) or at the back by the manageress. Some girls were just extraordinary. About seven foot six. Slim etc, ugh.[/QUOTE]What places are you talking about? A few more details would be appreciated.

My first time in Kiev without RP. I didn't realize how badly I would miss that place. When I visited Kiev, I used to go there almost daily, many times without any plans to leave with the girl. I would just interact with girls, talk to them, buy drinks, watch some football games in sports bar. I loved RP, many times I would stay until the morning and leave on a first subway train at 5. 30 am I was doing that to avoid paying ridiculous taxi charges. I talked to a local friend of mine, he said the main reason why RP is gone is because of the casino. Once the government decided to close all casinos, the management couldn't keep the club there. I'm not sure if that's the exact reason, but that's what I was told. Anyway, it's time to move on, I hope there will be another place similar to RP in the future.

Last night I went to Rio. I'm staying on Mikhaylovskaya street. 2 minutes from O'Briens, so I just walked to Rio. The weather is nice, no need to be ripped by a taxi driver. I arrived there around 10 pm and the place was packed. Even the waitress said "It looks like Friday, I have no idea why so many people are here". I was advised to go upstairs. Of course I was told that there's no table. Many people arrived after me and everyoone was told "wait here, no table". After about 20 minutes I went to the guy named Mark (he was in charge upstairs) and gave him 100 grivnas. He said there are so many people waiting but he'll try to do something. After 15 minutes I was sitting at a table. It's funny how everything works in this country once you pay.

The club has four dancing areas. I have seen three of them and there's also a VIP room. Now I have to say I have visited many strip clubs in New York, Las Vegas, LA, Toronto and Montreal and Rio girls are the most spoiled and unprofessional. They simply have no idea how to dance and how to behave properly. It's like they are doing a huge favor for everyone just being there. They show no desire to do anything. Strippers in North America really want to attract your attention, they want to get a lap dance. Here in Rio, they don't give a shit. Very strange attitude.

Private dances. I had three private dances. Now I was very surprised that you can only have one session with each girl because there's a line up. Very strange. In Canada you could stay with the same girl for 1-2 hours and nobody would force you to leave. It's different at Rio. My first choice was Elia. Extremely beautiful blonde girl, she changed her outfit several times during the evening and was 9/10 IMO. She had a nice smile, beautiful tits, amazing body. But her dances, boy oh boy, well let's just say she wouldn't get a single customer in the USA or Canada with this type of dance. She's beautiful and she knows it but come on, do something to please your customer. She started in the middle of the song, was far from me, did not initiate any eye contact and basically didn't do anything to be nice. Shortly she abruptly said "It's over, pay now!". I asked her if she only dances, she said "Of course I only dance". After that I watched the stage show and then Julia or Julietta (I didn't catch her name) came to me. She was 7/10, older blonde girl but still beautiful. Her attitude was much better. She also said she doesn't provide takeout but her private dance was much better. Good eye contact, LFK, lots of touching. I stayed for another hour but I have to say after this RIO visit I miss River Palace even more.

[QUOTE=Curious12; 1167216]My first time in Kiev without RP. I didn't realize how badly I would miss that place. I hope there will be another place similar to RP in the future.

Last night I went to Rio. After about 20 minutes I went to the guy named Mark (he was in charge upstairs) and gave him 100 grivnas. He said there are so many people waiting but he'll try to do something. After 15 minutes I was sitting at a table. It's funny how everything works in this country once you pay.

I had three private dances My first choice was Elia. Extremely beautiful blonde girl, she changed her outfit several times during the evening and was 9/10 IMO. She had a nice smile, beautiful tits, amazing body. But her dances, boy oh boy, well let's just say she wouldn't get a single customer in the USA or Canada with this type of dance. She's beautiful and she knows it but come on, do something to please your customer. She started in the middle of the song, was far from me, did not initiate any eye contact and basically didn't do anything to be nice. Shortly she abruptly said "It's over, pay now!". I asked her if she only dances, she said "Of course I only dance". After that I watched the stage show and then Julia or Julietta (I didn't catch her name) came to me. She was 7/10, older blonde girl but still beautiful. Her attitude was much better. She also said she doesn't provide takeout but her private dance was much better. Good eye contact, LFK, lots of touching. I stayed for another hour but I have to say after this RIO visit I miss River Palace even more. [/QUOTE]We all really miss RP!

Recommendation for your next visit to Rio is to try to befriend the manager who is assisting you in the room where you are seated and to FIRST ask the manager you tipped the 100 UAH about any girl you are thinking of inviting to your table or taking for a private dance and if he knows whether she dances only or if she goes out with customers, and whether she is a good girl. You might be able to spare yourself time wasted on dancer only girls and the manager may have good or bad feedback about the girls you are considering and may be able to steer you towards a more well liked girl.

LJ

Rio was done 5 years ago.

Has it become the GIA of strip clubs? .

Will be in Kyiv June 24 for two weeks.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1156397]Heaps of talking about a nasty strip club.

Has the freebie market all dried up in Kiev, so that not a single report about non-pro scoring has been posted since weeks? [/QUOTE]