Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2685327]I wasn't thinking so much something as obvious as money. The little things that can be in some ways more maddening, a favorite pen, a pair of tweezers. These chicas will half-way empty out lotion containers into their own and then add water to yours. Food. Coins. Trinkets. Dental floss. Lighters. Medicine. Drugs you can't report. Or the kind of stuff that is easy to ignore and these maids will assume gringos won't make a big fuss over. The types of objects you would have no idea if the "vast majority" of in-call sex workers were or were not pilfering. No one knows whether it is underreported or doesn't happen. I know the culture, which predicts constancy of behavior, not change of behavior. Culture. We will see.[/QUOTE]I was prepared for objections. First and foremost, it's not going to be cheap. The guys who spend 45 minutes trying to save 5 k aren't likely to be interested. Then there are the guys who just don't see the point. There are those who don't understand the appeal of webcams or porn and are confused when people pay for such things. Of course, there are some who just aren't going to spend money on anything except for sex, so paying for 3 hours of titillating cleaning before paying more for sex, won't interest them.

Businesses fail. There are many opportunities for this one to go under. I could list several. However, the risk of having tweezers stolen never crossed my mind, as either an objection, or a reason it might fail.

However, I'm a problem solver. If anyone who contacts the service has their tweezers stolen, they can send me a PM and I will have someone deliver a new pair of tweezers. Just provide your appointment confirmation and a picture of the tweezers.

I'll also inform my friend, when confirming appointments, to remind customers they should put away all high value items such as dental floss and lotion.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2685634]There are Venezuelans and Colombians in Punta Cana (PUJ). Just look on Skokka.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I know. I guess I'm just thinking I'd prefer to bring someone I have met before.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2685614]For working girls, ofc. The vast majority would rather receive oral or give BBBJ than DFK. I think kissing is seen as more intimate, and the sex is just business. ID say compared to only like 25% of sw, at least 75% of casa girls you get DFK during ratos in centro. It's kind of a cultural thing, in Brazil they DFK (and initiate it) a lot more.

And Paulie, Osteo was talking about his experiences with sw, not non-pros; I assume. No need to jump in white knighting, we're all men here.[/QUOTE]This reminded me of a lot lizard in Oklahoma City about 25 years ago. For clarification, "lot lizard" is the common name for truck stop prostitutes.

Back in the late 90's, OKC was the lot lizard capitol of the US. Unlike what you would typically find, many of them were young, fresh and attractive. One in particular, caught my eye and a deal was made. She was riding cowgirl and I was doing my best to help her enjoy it. Apparently, I was doing something right, because it went from fairly mechanical sex, to full participation. She started kissing me, then stopped and moved my hands away. Her complaint was that she wasn't supposed to be enjoying it.

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2685622]I'm contemplating flying a Colombian girl to PJU for a few nights at an all inclusive in a couple of months. Coming to MDE soon and will do some scouting.

Assuming I find someone I like and feel I can get along with for a few nights, (1) is this a bad idea, and (2) how much do you think is fair for this?

(Not really interested in Dominican girls).[/QUOTE]1. Is it a bad idea? No. It's not something a lot of guys would do. Judging by all the girls who post Punta Cana pics on Facebook, apparently a lot of guys do it, or 1 guy does it with a lot of girls.

2. Many girls would be happy for the free trip. Others will expect a big payday. I would consider the extra expenses and lost revenue for the girl weighed against the experience. If it was me, I'd probably offer no less than 200 k per day, and no more than 500 k per day. Or I would leave it open depending on how well it goes.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2685635]I was prepared for objections. First and foremost, it's not going to be cheap. The guys who spend 45 minutes trying to save 5 k aren't likely to be interested. Then there are the guys who just don't see the point. There are those who don't understand the appeal of webcams or porn and are confused when people pay for such things. Of course, there are some who just aren't going to spend money on anything except for sex, so paying for 3 hours of titillating cleaning before paying more for sex, won't interest them.

Businesses fail. There are many opportunities for this one to go under. I could list several. However, the risk of having tweezers stolen never crossed my mind, as either an objection, or a reason it might fail.

However, I'm a problem solver. If anyone who contacts the service has their tweezers stolen, they can send me a PM and I will have someone deliver a new pair of tweezers. Just provide your appointment confirmation and a picture of the tweezers.

I'll also inform my friend, when confirming appointments, to remind customers they should put away all high value items such as dental floss and lotion.[/QUOTE]My point is that it's not necessarily the value of things that get stolen. Stealing is stealing. But in this culture, stealing is papaya, and the girls who do it would more than likely pass a lie detector test for stealing.

Perhaps the problems seems inflated to me because after a typical week of having twenty-five plus separate sessions with chicas in my hotel room (conservative estimate, actual number 4-5 plus chicas per day), and say half of them are pilfering harmless little items, it adds up when you are the guy constantly replacing the missing items. I don't mean financially but mainly the inconvenience. Perhaps you and others have a hard time relating to those kinds of numbers, I dunno.

I remember one time I told a chica who had returned from a couple of days prior that after she left from her previous visit my panitos were no where to be found. She promptly pulled them out of her purse and said she "accidentally" took them with her last time. Possibly.

I doubt the maid service will be making 25+ appearances at any one monger's place in a week, so maybe that's why it will be a non-issue for you.

I am guilty of skimming and scanning posts here and I don't read a lot of posts especially when you consider how many of the frequent fliers here I have on my Ignore List. You are involved in this business venture, indirectly or directly? Well, that would add some impetus to the likelihood of success. Best of luck!

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2685622]I'm contemplating flying a Colombian girl to PJU for a few nights at an all inclusive in a couple of months. Coming to MDE soon and will do some scouting.

Assuming I find someone I like and feel I can get along with for a few nights, (1) is this a bad idea, and (2) how much do you think is fair for this?

(Not really interested in Dominican girls).[/QUOTE]Is that you know them well enough and they want to be with you enough so that all you need to do is cover expenses and not pay them any extra.

I realize that may not be realistic in your timeframe, meaning you might not have the time to get to know her that well.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2685633]...The real reason I posted this is a plug for Listerine. ....[/QUOTE]That is why Brazilian girls have no problem with DFK. You can find it in the bathroom in the Clinicas and in the clubs.

Michells12 is a scammer. Hot photos. She will WhatsApp more hot photos and videos very smoothly asking for money, but she did not show up for dates. Small sum lost and time wasted. Not sure if she is actually a girl, or just a guy using a hot girl's photos.

[QUOTE=SmokersRule;2685622]I'm contemplating flying a Colombian girl to PJU for a few nights at an all inclusive in a couple of months. Coming to MDE soon and will do some scouting.

Assuming I find someone I like and feel I can get along with for a few nights, (1) is this a bad idea, and (2) how much do you think is fair for this?

(Not really interested in Dominican girls).[/QUOTE]This might be fraught with problems taking a Colombian on an International excursion.

Not that it can't be done, but why leave Colombia with a girl requiring her to have a Passport for only a few nights.

If it's just a few nights why not stay in Colombia? Perhaps San Andres, it's a two and a half hour flight from Medellin, and will have some beaches on par with the DR.

There's also some nice beaches in and around Cartagena and Santa Marta as well.

Travelling within Colombia will be a lot easier than going to an international destination and a lot cheaper.

As far as what to pay a girl to accompany you for a few days, that's totally unpredictable and will depend on the girl. If she is used to be flown around with guys and staying in fancy places, and is a hard core pro, she may want a lot.

On the other hand, if you find a girl who has never been on a plane, she may want literally nothing to go with you.

I would also not under any circumstances take a girl with you, meaning getting on a plane for an overnight excursion with one of them unless you have totally vetted them beforehand, meaning spending an overnight with her in Medellin before hand.

She might snore so loud, or you for that matter, that the two of you will be miserable.

Just my thoughts for you to consider.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2684723]I tried travelling to Med. In Feb. And was denied by Spirit here in the states. I hear that once you get there that they (immigration) don't even ask, However on the Gov. Website I'm pretty sure they still require tourists to have if not the full Vax (3 shots) then you must have at least 1 shot AND a negative test 72 hours prior before boarding. Absolutely ridiculous!

I hated missing out on some Paisa action but I instead ended up going to Cancun. Plenty of Colombianas there on Seeking.

My issue now is trying to find a decent flight into Med from Myrtle Beach. Spirit no longer accommodates and US Air is 3 x the cost that I used to pay at nearly a grand!

I hope Spirit will start up again flying from here to there again soon![/QUOTE]I think 1 J&J or 2 or just 2 of the other brands are considered fully vaccinated for the purposes of entry into Colombia. I you are only partially vax then you must also have a PCR test within 72 hours. I do not think that a booster is required.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2685735]Michells12 is a scammer. Hot photos. She will WhatsApp more hot photos and videos very smoothly asking for money, but she did not show up for dates. Small sum lost and time wasted. Not sure if she is actually a girl, or just a guy using a hot girl's photos.[/QUOTE]Try using 'Tin Eye' to verify the pictures.

Has anyone ever taken a chica to a MDE swinger bar or attended Fantasy Resort in San Jeronamo? I plan on spending the night at Fantasy Resort on Saturday after next with a female friend, but not sure what to expect.

[QUOTE=HoustonTxJake;2685911]Has anyone ever taken a chica to a MDE swinger bar or attended Fantasy Resort in San Jeronamo? I plan on spending the night at Fantasy Resort on Saturday after next with a female friend, but not sure what to expect.[/QUOTE]I went to La piscina a few months ago. It was very interesting that night wasn't so busy but I can imagine it being pretty fun on a busy night like Friday or Saturday.

Which casa is your favorite? With clean rooms, good service and beautiful girls?

I'll shoot a message once I figure out how to upgrade my membership with bitcoin.

[QUOTE=Sargon76;2683935]I have a driver / interpreter / shopper / trusted friend who will take you around Medellin. He's not especially knowledgeable about mongering but he is reliable and speaks fluent English and was extremely helpful on my trip. If you buy a membership I can shoot his WhatsApp to you in a private message.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2685682]My point is that it's not necessarily the value of things that get stolen. Stealing is stealing. But in this culture, stealing is papaya, and the girls who do it would more than likely pass a lie detector test for stealing.

Perhaps the problems seems inflated to me because after a typical week of having twenty-five plus separate sessions with chicas in my hotel room (conservative estimate, actual number 4-5 plus chicas per day), and say half of them are pilfering harmless little items, it adds up when you are the guy constantly replacing the missing items. I don't mean financially but mainly the inconvenience. Perhaps you and others have a hard time relating to those kinds of numbers, I dunno.

I remember one time I told a chica who had returned from a couple of days prior that after she left from her previous visit my panitos were no where to be found. She promptly pulled them out of her purse and said she "accidentally" took them with her last time. Possibly.

I doubt the maid service will be making 25+ appearances at any one monger's place in a week, so maybe that's why it will be a non-issue for you.

I am guilty of skimming and scanning posts here and I don't read a lot of posts especially when you consider how many of the frequent fliers here I have on my Ignore List. You are involved in this business venture, indirectly or directly? Well, that would add some impetus to the likelihood of success. Best of luck![/QUOTE]At the moment I can be considered an unpaid outside consultant, although the principle reminded me yesterday that I'm enrolled in the company benefit plan which provides medical treatment for priapism with no co-pay.

With the way you operate in Medellin I'm not surprised pilferage is an issue. I'm not criticizing, but your methods practically guarantee stuff is going to disappear. Frankly I'm surprised it's just been minor stuff.

Full vaccination is required. Booster shots are not required yet, but don't be surprised if that changes.

Masks are required most places in Colombia, be prepared to wear them like everyone else does.

A COVID test within 24 hours is required to fly back to the US.

Why fool around? Get fully vaccinated, get your booster shot, wear your mask, and enjoy Colombia. Otherwise stay home.

Sara22 is a high mileage girl with braces and a lot of baby damage. The performance was poor and rushed.

So, I thought I was relatively experienced when it comes to mongering but, maybe Ostee was right, maybe I'm not as experienced as I think I am. Despite mongering in several countries, I'm striking out on FB. This online mongering is new to me.

Do you literally start out with. Hi! I want to have sex with you, I'll pay 200 mil + taxi? I'm trying to have a bit of back and forth and then get into talking about activities, but I'm not getting any substantive responses, just 'si amor' or 'si claro' etc. Do the FB chicas expect you to come out with what you are looking for on first contact?

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2686015]So, I thought I was relatively experienced when it comes to mongering but, maybe Ostee was right, maybe I'm not as experienced as I think I am. Despite mongering in several countries, I'm striking out on FB. This online mongering is new to me.

Do you literally start out with. Hi! I want to have sex with you, I'll pay 200 mil + taxi? I'm trying to have a bit of back and forth and then get into talking about activities, but I'm not getting any substantive responses, just 'si amor' or 'si claro' etc. Do the FB chicas expect you to come out with what you are looking for on first contact?[/QUOTE]Again, if you are in Medellin ask when they can come see you. If you are not in Medellin then you are wasting their time. No need for small talk. There are hundreds of other guys trying to approach them with small talk. If 200 chicks per day were asking you how are you doing it would get old pretty quick.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2686015]So, I thought I was relatively experienced when it comes to mongering but, maybe Ostee was right, maybe I'm not as experienced as I think I am. Despite mongering in several countries, I'm striking out on FB. This online mongering is new to me.

Do you literally start out with. Hi! I want to have sex with you, I'll pay 200 mil + taxi? I'm trying to have a bit of back and forth and then get into talking about activities, but I'm not getting any substantive responses, just 'si amor' or 'si claro' etc. Do the FB chicas expect you to come out with what you are looking for on first contact?[/QUOTE]Don't beat around the bush. After I've established they live in Medellin or nearby (some don't list where they live in their FB profile), I tell them I want to see them and ask if they want to visit me. If they say yes, then the game is on. After determining a mutually good time for her to visit, I message "200 mil y un taxi?" Many times they say yes, sometimes they say two taxis. Very rarely will one come back with an outrageous amount like 500 mil. I don't like to low-ball, the same as I don't like them to ask for an outlandish amount. That starts everything off on the wrong foot, IMO.

It has been my experience that the ladies don't want to have a long conversation before they meet me. Their objective is to make money. Sending messages don't make money.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686021]Again, if you are in Medellin ask when they can come see you. If you are not in Medellin then you are wasting their time. No need for small talk. There are hundreds of other guys trying to approach them with small talk. If 200 chicks per day were asking you how are you doing it would get old pretty quick.[/QUOTE]OK, got it, thanks. I was hoping to agree specific activities beforehand so I have a (small) list of chicas to contact who I know will provide the service I require. But that doesn't seem to be a thing so I guess I'll wait until I'm there to discuss.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2686025]Don't beat around the bush. After I've established they live in Medellin or nearby (some don't list where they live in their FB profile), I tell them I want to see them and ask if they want to visit me. If they say yes, then the game is on. After determining a mutually good time for her to visit, I message "200 mil y un taxi?" Many times they say yes, sometimes they say two taxis. Very rarely will one come back with an outrageous amount like 500 mil. I don't like to low-ball, the same as I don't like them to ask for an outlandish amount. That starts everything off on the wrong foot, IMO.

It has been my experience that the ladies don't want to have a long conversation before they meet me. Their objective is to make money. Sending messages don't make money.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I get the time the chicas must waste with guys not in Medellin. I'll hold off until I'm maybe 2 or 3 days out from arriving.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2685958]Which casa is your favorite? With clean rooms, good service and beautiful girls?[/QUOTE]On which day?

I haven't been to Balcones de Cuba, but both New Life and Energy have clean rooms. As for which ones have beautiful girls, it depends on which day you go. I've seen beautiful girls at both casas (among others), and I've seen days when no beauties were to be found. Or you might get there and the beauties are all busy with other customers, or they arrive 5 minutes after you leave.

Good service depends on the girl you choose along with how you conduct yourself. My experience has been, when I pick the girl who is most beautiful, the service is just average. When I pick the girl who seems to have the best attitude, the service is much better.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2685995]Full vaccination is required. Booster shots are not required yet, but don't be surprised if that changes.

Masks are required most places in Colombia, be prepared to wear them like everyone else does.

A COVID test within 24 hours is required to fly back to the US.

Why fool around? Get fully vaccinated, get your booster shot, wear your mask, and enjoy Colombia. Otherwise stay home.[/QUOTE]One minor correction. A Covid test is required within 1 day before flying back to the US, not 24 hours. If your flight leaves at 8 pm on Thursday, you can get your test anytime after midnight Tuesday night. Depending on your flight time, this could give you several extra hours to get the test.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2686025]Don't beat around the bush. After I've established they live in Medellin or nearby (some don't list where they live in their FB profile), I tell them I want to see them and ask if they want to visit me. If they say yes, then the game is on. After determining a mutually good time for her to visit, I message "200 mil y un taxi?" Many times they say yes, sometimes they say two taxis. Very rarely will one come back with an outrageous amount like 500 mil. I don't like to low-ball, the same as I don't like them to ask for an outlandish amount. That starts everything off on the wrong foot, IMO.

It has been my experience that the ladies don't want to have a long conversation before they meet me. Their objective is to make money. Sending messages don't make money.[/QUOTE]This is pretty solid advice. I do things slightly different, but same minimalist approach.

There's no sense in trying to nail down specifics until you're contributing to the Colombian sewer system. Anything beyond a greeting and letting them know you'll be there soon is a waste of time.

Before you get on the plane post that you're enroute to Medellin. There's a good chance you'll have several messages when you arrive.

Here's my basic conversation.

Hola. Como estas? Hello, how are you?

Quiero verte (or quiero conocerte). I want to see you, or I want to get to know you.

Cuanto quieres? How much do you want? Some guys prefer to throw out a price, I prefer to ask for a price. My reasoning is that this gives me more control. If she is hoping for 500 k and I offer 200 k, we're off to a bad start. Instead, if she leads with 500 k, I can keep us on good terms by showing my understanding, and admitting I'm not interested in paying that much. My reply goes something like this:

Te entiendo. Eres muy hermosa. Pero siempre pago 200 mil. Quizas otro día. I understand you. You're very beautiful. However, I always pay 200 k. Maybe some other day.

Depending on how I'm feeling at the moment, I might offer a different amount. This has some advantages (or so I believe). First, you're acknowledging her price and tossing a compliment. Second, you're letting her know, politely, you know the going rate. Finally, you're letting her know that if she can't find anyone to pay 500 k, she can always hit you up for 200 k. If she decides to take your offer, she might ask for you to cover the taxi.

One last thing. When I'm setting a time, I assume she'll be late. I start by asking when she can arrive. There's no sense in telling her to show up at 4 pm if she's unable to leave home until 6 pm. If she tells me she can come right over, I expect 2-3 hours. If it's 5 pm and she agrees to show at 6 pm, I assume 7 pm or after.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2686015]So, I thought I was relatively experienced when it comes to mongering but, maybe Ostee was right, maybe I'm not as experienced as I think I am. Despite mongering in several countries, I'm striking out on FB. This online mongering is new to me.

Do you literally start out with. Hi! I want to have sex with you, I'll pay 200 mil + taxi? I'm trying to have a bit of back and forth and then get into talking about activities, but I'm not getting any substantive responses, just 'si amor' or 'si claro' etc. Do the FB chicas expect you to come out with what you are looking for on first contact?[/QUOTE]But that don't sound like me, but sometimes if I do go back and read some of my own stuff, I can't believe it's me, jaja.

I don't hold myself as being super-experienced in the P4P game. Yeah, it frosts some guys mugs when I state facts such as I have mongered on six continents and gotten laid on all seven, but my actual country count is not super high. I often meet more well traveled guys and gals than myself. I've learned a few things about people, human nature, and fucking, licking, getting sucked, etc. People are the same when it comes to sexual activity all over the world, just the cultural and sometimes emotional expression of those activities differ. I have given up on trying to understand love and the female orgasm (separate subjects as far as I am concerned, jeje).

I am not going to go back and see what I wrote, no big deal. I remember writing to someone recently that he had more than enough experience to have a good time here even though he was worried about his Covid weight gain. I intentionally try to focus more on content here than on who wrote what although some dudes jump out at you for sure. The mere fact that you are writing about your Facebook adventures means you are more experienced than I am in that venue.

I also recall writing recently that I find most direct comparisons between mongers and even chicas and exercise in futility. Mongering is not a contest, but by the same token, I am not going to pretend or sugar-coat my experiences to meet someone else's artificial standards. I don't want to be like anyone else I know and I sure as hell don't want anyone to be like me.

I'm a good writer with a tendency to be self-absorbed but deep down it feels to me like I am simply documenting a journey, and I get enough positive feedback to make it feel worthwhile. I've always had haters, and roughly an equal number of fans, and not just in mongering. I find them equally amusing. As we used to say when coffee was cheap, "That and a nickel will get you a cup". Jeje, Ostee Out and let's all Keep On Keepin' On.

Hey guys!

How's it going? I lurked this forum for a bit and decided to come to Medellin for a month. Two weeks in and having an amazing time!

I see everyone posting about FB. Is that Facebook dating or how are you finding the girls there? I keep trying to switch my location on Facebook dating and keep an getting an error. Really annoying. Any help or details are much appreciated.

I will post more details later but for me seeking has been killing it. 11 girls in two weeks and several repeat freebies in there as well. Only picked up one girl off the street at Parque Lleras one night which was the worst experience of them all by far.

Thanks for all the help!

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2686028]Thanks. I get the time the chicas must waste with guys not in Medellin. I'll hold off until I'm maybe 2 or 3 days out from arriving.[/QUOTE]It depends on the type of chicas you are contacting. If you are contacting hoes, they are probably not interested if you are not in Medellin and looking for tonight. If you are contacting semi-pros, to fill up your pipeline they will probably be willing to chat for a few weeks before you arrive. If you are contacting "normal college girls" they may be happy to chat with you for several months before you arrive. All of these girls are wasting a lot of time on Instagram, Tik-Tok, YouTube, Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, or whatever anyway.

I am yet to visit Medellin. Have seen quite a few videos showing P4 P girls standing near shops, statues in Centro. My question is where do you take them for the deed? To a nearby love motel (if yes how much would it cost overall including room)?

Is it advisable to get these girls come over to your hotel or Airbnb?

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2686028]Thanks. I get the time the chicas must waste with guys not in Medellin. I'll hold off until I'm maybe 2 or 3 days out from arriving.[/QUOTE]It depends on the type of chicas you are contacting. If you are contacting hoes, they are probably not interested if you are not in Medellin and looking for tonight. If you are contacting semi-pros, to fill up your pipeline they will probably be willing to chat for a few weeks before you arrive. If you are contacting "normal college girls" they may be happy to chat with you for several months before you arrive. All of these girls are wasting a lot of time on Instagram, Tik-Tok, YouTube, Facebook, Seeking, Tinder, or whatever anyway.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2685980]I'm enrolled in the company benefit plan which provides medical treatment for priapism with no co-pay.[/QUOTE]Sometimes your attempts at humor and sarcasm actually succeed. . . Sometimes. Don't quit your consulting job, jeje.

Yeah, I was guilty of projecting my personal situation into yours, ironically a defense mechanism I have called rampant on this Web site more than once. Rather than admit my weakness let's just say I was doing my part by contributing to the Projection Pool, jeje. And there I was beforehand thinking I was some kinda purrfekt. Oh well, live and learn. But seriously, thanks for improving my self-awareness.

I had a big trip planned with my ex-esposa. We were supposed to drive Route 66 for the second time, this time in the reverse direction from the Santa Monica Pier in California to the shore of Lake Michigan in Chicago.

I called it off yesterday because she's not ready. She will always be a great friend. Since she's my ex-wife and not officially a novia, she was supposed to pay for half but she didn't have her finances in order. I have paid for more than my fair share in the past on our vacations together but not this time. The bloodbath that is going on in the stock market right now doesn't help me, either.

Well, the Route 66 trip, jury duty, and filing my federal income taxes were the three reasons I returned here to Pussy Prison. All three finished. So I am already strategizing my return to Medellin. There has been no let-up communicating with my girls. But as we have all learned, making plans ahead of time for Medellin is often an exercise in futility. Still, some potentially interesting options appear to be forming themselves. I will try to maintain the Buddhist philosophy of avoiding all desire, again especially ahead of time. Don't ask me how or why, but controlling desire seems to lead me to best scenarios and horniest chicas.

Gratuitous fotos the girls have sent me including one old and one new foto of Catgirl. One old foto from my last Route 66 trip with my ex-esposa. Fuck, I can't believe we did that in 2016, feels like just the other day, jaja.

I would not be shocked if a few of you guys had a couple of these fotos in your possession since these chicas have a tendency to spread their love around a bit, jaja.

The nice round ass is Sexy Lexy in her bedroom. That household consists of Lexy, her mom, her preschool daughter, and her "twin" sister. Lexy has been dropping hints lately about how they "could use a man around the house". My mind boggles on that one and I may give that setting a test-run.

The couple rollerblading is Scarlet and Cheery. Scarlet's situation has also morphed into a scenario with unlimited sexual potential. For those of you who follow me, you may recall my trips to Scarlet's apartment, four bedrooms filled with mult-generational family members. She lives in a very nice barrio that I have never seen discussed here, Castilla, located about half-way between El Centro and Bello, up the mountain on the opposite side of the valley.

I had some great meals there and one hair dye job last trip. I used to joke about banging Scarlet's mom and grandmother, too, except we all know that I would do it. Well, that family scattered like leaves in the wind and only Scarlet and Sam (my favorite three-way) remain in that large four bedroom apartment. The motivation for me to return and at least temporarily move in there is more than obvious. Add in Scarlet's desire to do anything to keep me happy and that translates into inviting as many girls as we would want over at that same time. I may be putting the cart in front of the horse a little on this one, but fuck Buddhism and controlling desire when we are crossing into the "Too Good to Be True" zone, jajaja.

Ostee Out. Feels like I will be back in our beloved Medellin sooner than I thought, espeically compared to two days ago, jeje. Love you guys.

Visited Girls Club at Carrera 70 # 25-29 last Tuesday night. Doormen didn't admit me till 11 pm No cover. Inside is maze of maybe five salons with couches and sturdy little tables. I was led to one such room with woman waiting. Ordered Aquila beer for 10 mil. Asked chunky Venezuelan if she could send me thinner chica. She did. Evalyn was also Venezuelan, 23, slender, much makeup, false eyelashes, slinky slit cocktail dress, heels. I liked talking to her and bought her Corona for 20 mil.

Evalyn said five women were working tonight. She said place got going around 4 am She lived upstairs. If I wanted to go up for sex, 150 mil for half hour and 300 mil for hour. I said price was too steep for me but I'd like to see her at my place, which was only blocks away. She took my number and later we texted. She'd visit for 200 mil. Other men drifted in, usually in pairs. Didn't see all of women. This was Holy Week; don't know how that compares to normal.

I talked to Evalyn maybe hour and a half, music was not too loud, drank two beers, flirted some, wandered home.

Saw this on a FB group.

Here is a new video about drugging [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YYwqVEGRhI[/URL].

I had a week full of Seeking Arrangement dates. I am an options trader who makes about 4 to 10 k a week trading puts and calls, so I am not really careful with money. I am somewhat price inelastic in nature, to me, convenience, service and beauty are more important. Anyway my adventure started with my plane being sidetracked to Cali because the only runway at Jose Cordova was ruined by a Latam jet. Going to Medellin the next day, I stayed at Leblon Suites on Poblado and it is girl friendly. The only bad thing about is the breakfast was not good, thus I usually went to Parmessano for that on Poblado.

The first girl I had was Abril2919 and her cost was 250 mil pesos. She provided BBBJ and covered sex. The funny thing with her is that I have had sexual relationships with her since 2019 and she still remembered parts of our first date. Also she had some sort of histamine reaction when I DATY. The area around her mouth became discolored. The second was Sara555, her cost was 300 mil pesos. She stayed for about 5 hours in my room. She provided barebacked sex but wanted me to come on her belly and not in her pussy, which I did. The problem with her was coordinating our time together. Apparently she takes care of her grandparents and it is hard for her to date. The last girl was Dayana05. She is a student at college learning to be a reporter. The problem with her is she lives in Bello and I had to pay for her Uber to come to my hotel and she only date at night due to her school work. She provided BBBJ with CIM but sex was covered. Cost was 500 mil. All three girls are on Instagram. Besides Seeking I used the service of Sexy Girls, which used to be on Seeking for 2 days but was banned for being more like an escort service. The cost for 2 hours was 600 mil. The advantage with them is that they were easy to coordinate time wise. Unfortunately, with regards to the two times I used them, one girl required covered BJ and both times required covered sex. All five girls kissed.

Medellin is great except it has really no museums to speak of and the weather is terrible.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686384]...Medellin is great except it has really no museums to speak of and the weather is terrible.[/QUOTE]And here I have been thinking all these years that Medellin has a wonderful weather, one of the best in the world, and practically everyone I talked to agreed with that. Then again, they say that there is always the exception which confirms the rule, and you are proving it once again.

In all fairness, the weather has not been that nice the past few years, with way too much rain. You may be onto something.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2686389]

In all fairness, the weather has not been that nice the past few years, with way too much rain. You may be onto something.[/QUOTE]Spread the word.

There are a couple of rainy seasons every year in Medellin. Compared to Thailand or India they are nothing. More like an average September day on the Gulf side of Florida, where I grew up. For the vast majority of us, mongering is an indoor sport and fairly weather proof.

But by all means, spread the word, stay away from Medellin because of the weather, sometimes I heard it even rains frogs, jeje. I think we are expecting a plague of locusts and day now.

Decreased demand (one-eyed wonder worms), with same or increased supply (wet holes, preferably living TK) will drive down prices, my brothers in hijinx.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2686389]And here I have been thinking all these years that Medellin has a wonderful weather, one of the best in the world, and practically everyone I talked to agreed with that. Then again, they say that there is always the exception which confirms the rule, and you are proving it once again.

In all fairness, the weather has not been that nice the past few years, with way too much rain. You may be onto something.[/QUOTE]Yes, I have been going to that city since 2006, and every time I go there it is rainy and cloudy. I am a digital nomad and have been hanging out more in Guadalajara due to its better weather of sunlight and comparable warmth.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2686389]And here I have been thinking all these years that Medellin has a wonderful weather, one of the best in the world, and practically everyone I talked to agreed with that. Then again, they say that there is always the exception which confirms the rule, and you are proving it once again.

In all fairness, the weather has not been that nice the past few years, with way too much rain. You may be onto something.[/QUOTE]Rain isn't really an issue in Medellin, but air contamination, and in previous years, prior to the Pandemic, the City would instigate pico / placa, which is currently in effect to reduce traffic during rush hours, but has also been used to reduce air contamination in the past.

Additionally, the way they refine gas in Colombia s not on par as it is in the USA, hence lower gasoline prices, but higher emission levels.

I can remember before the Pandemic, about three or four years ago in a February, that the air contamination was so bad that besides restricting vehicles on the road, all of the public sporting facilities were locked down for days at a time.

Rain in Medellin is always a good thing to help clean the air, yet at times can be a pain in the ass.

I always carry an umbrella with me, as the weather can change within a few minutes.

And if your in an apartment and forget to close all the windows when you leave, you can have a real mess on your hands.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2686389]And here I have been thinking all these years that Medellin has a wonderful weather, one of the best in the world, and practically everyone I talked to agreed with that. Then again, they say that there is always the exception which confirms the rule, and you are proving it once again.

In all fairness, the weather has not been that nice the past few years, with way too much rain. You may be onto something.[/QUOTE]Don't be confused. I have been all over the world, and Medellin does indeed have some of the absolute best weather of any place I have ever been. No idea what "SunDevil" is talking about. That name makes me think of Arizona. If that's the comparison, then Arizona is too fucking hot! Medellin is about as good as it gets year round, and Bogota isn't bad either!

I recommend you know the price you are going to pay. I quote them my price and expectations with taxi included. I don't negotiate. If they say no I just thank them for their time and go on to the next candidate. Most will accept my terms

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686050]This is pretty solid advice. I do things slightly different, but same minimalist approach.

There's no sense in trying to nail down specifics until you're contributing to the Colombian sewer system. Anything beyond a greeting and letting them know you'll be there soon is a waste of time.

Before you get on the plane post that you're enroute to Medellin. There's a good chance you'll have several messages when you arrive.

Here's my basic conversation.

Hola. Como estas? Hello, how are you?

Quiero verte (or quiero conocerte). I want to see you, or I want to get to know you.

Cuanto quieres? How much do you want? Some guys prefer to throw out a price, I prefer to ask for a price. My reasoning is that this gives me more control. If she is hoping for 500 k and I offer 200 k, we're off to a bad start. Instead, if she leads with 500 k, I can keep us on good terms by showing my understanding, and admitting I'm not interested in paying that much. My reply goes something like this:

Te entiendo. Eres muy hermosa. Pero siempre pago 200 mil. Quizas otro da. I understand you. You're very beautiful. However, I always pay 200 k. Maybe some other day.

Depending on how I'm feeling at the moment, I might offer a different amount. This has some advantages (or so I believe). First, you're acknowledging her price and tossing a compliment. Second, you're letting her know, politely, you know the going rate. Finally, you're letting her know that if she can't find anyone to pay 500 k, she can always hit you up for 200 k. If she decides to take your offer, she might ask for you to cover the taxi.

One last thing. When I'm setting a time, I assume she'll be late. I start by asking when she can arrive. There's no sense in telling her to show up at 4 pm if she's unable to leave home until 6 pm. If she tells me she can come right over, I expect 2-3 hours. If it's 5 pm and she agrees to show at 6 pm, I assume 7 pm or after.[/QUOTE].

Boots on the ground right now in MDE.

A vax card with 2 shots (Pfizer) worked for me to leave US and fly to MDE.

I had a negative PCR text (taken within 72 hours), not necessary, just as a backup provision.

The airport taxi driver (white and blue car) charged me 100 k mil to arrive from airport to El Poblado (I think he ripped me off because I have never paid more than 70 k or 80 k).

Uber sucks right now for getting around in MDE (couldn't get an Uber to pick me up for 20 minutes). I'm going to try DiDi, since I've heard good things.

The actual Park at Parque Lleras is still under construction. They are working super slow on the project. It will be nice once it's complete, but everything moves slow in Colombia and people here are lazy.

Went to Gustos. There were about 15 working girls. Most of them had fake butts and expensive purses, so I figured the services they offered would be high priced. I didn't even bother to ask how much because only one of them peaked my interest and she was already with a client for the night.

Just ended up walking the streets near Parque Lleras and found a spinner. Not sure what a good negotiable price is for a cute streetwalker is in this area, but I'm comfortable with the price I paid as it was likely 20% the cost of what one of those worn out Gustos girls would have tried to quote me.

Thank you all for your valuable contributions to this thread. Oske, I love living vicariously through you and your journeys here. RiceRocket and TTM, I miss your posts because I enjoyed them as well. .

Surfer, JJB, and many more, you guys rock and thank you for making this community here going strong.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2686475]Don't be confused. I have been all over the world, and Medellin does indeed have some of the absolute best weather of any place I have ever been. No idea what "SunDevil" is talking about. That name makes me think of Arizona. If that's the comparison, then Arizona is too fucking hot! Medellin is about as good as it gets year round, and Bogota isn't bad either![/QUOTE]I have to agree with Cane. Most places in the US have a "best time to be there" Some places it's summer, some places it's winter, some places it's spring and fall. Medellin has all around great weather and it's consistent. I too have travelled all over and I can't think of any place that compares favorably.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2686485]I recommend you know the price you are going to pay. I quote them my price and expectations with taxi included. I don't negotiate. If they say no I just thank them for their time and go on to the next candidate. Most will accept my terms.[/QUOTE]I know the price I'm going to pay. However, there are 2 important points. The first is that I make an estimate of what the girl's price will be before I contact her. Then I decide if that price is acceptable based on my opinion of her. Let's say I figure she'll be happy with 400 k, but I only think she's worth 200 k. In that case, I'm not going to bother. It's the same thing when I go buy a new car. I know what the price range of each model is. Do I want a $50 k car or a $25 k car? If I'm only spending $25 k, I'm not wasting anyone's time test driving the $50 k model. Occasionally it works to my advantage. I'll see one I think is worth 300 k and she tells me 200 k. The point is, I'll pay more or less depending on what I'm getting.

The other point is that I'm not going to quibble over a few dollars. If I'm at 200 k, but she wants me to pay her taxi, I'll agree. Sometimes I'll throw in extra conditions to justify the higher price. I remember a 3 some, the girl setting it up wanted 400 k, I wanted to pay 300 k. I agreed, but required a minimum of 3 hours and I got both girls to sign off on what all would happen. None of that tag team crap.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686471]Yes, I have been going to that city since 2006, and every time I go there it is rainy and cloudy. [/QUOTE]I am with you. The climate is depressing here. Rains all the time, cold, grey. May as well be Western or Northern Europe. I guess one's impression of the climate will be marked by what one is used to.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686471]Yes, I have been going to that city since 2006, and every time I go there it is rainy and cloudy. I am a digital nomad and have been hanging out more in Guadalajara due to its better weather of sunlight and comparable warmth.[/QUOTE]And possibly an experience in Medellin that is not representative, especially if you look at the posts here counter to yours, including this one. But hey, Guadalajara it is for you. See ya' wouldn't want to be ya! Jajajaa, or as they say, "Weather is here, wish you were purrfekt".

Ah, you are too much fun to bash on. My definition of someone who admits to being a "digital nomad", is a person with a laptop more than 100 miles away from home, and ninety percent of them could not write their way out of a sixth grade Weekly Reader.

The only category of people from the USA who I find more insufferable than digital nomads, are "expatriates". They are the people who for whatever reasons, usually lack of success in the USA, try to recreate the American lifestyle and culture on a shoestring budget somewhere else in the world. Often they do not learn the language of their host country, or try to assimilate local culture. Many times this is where the expression "Ugly American" stems from. Or gawd forbid, a digital nomad and expatriate rolled up into one and the same person. Ugh!

Ostee Out, and Keep On Keepin' On, in Guadalajara, jeje.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2684053]Hi all,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

I am heading down to Medellin with a few like-minded friends in June. We have already booked an Airbnb in El Poblado.

Thanks to a very helpful senior member, I have already made some Facebook contacts.

Some FB girls have already contacted me, and one seemed to be really interested, but then wanted $300 (that's right three hundred US dollars!) for 3 hours. I passed knowing that the going rate is between 150 000 and 250 000 COP for 2 hours, and the fact that I still have time to separate the wheat from the chaff. Facebook is a new world to me, so I'm still trying to get the hang of it (I didn't have Facebook before, and created an account specifically for this trip).

I'm also thinking of going onto Seeking and checking out some action there, but it sounds like it may be more hit and miss and the women expect more in terms of cash. I have experience with Seeking, so I am more comfortable with it. Although I used it waaaaayyyy back when it was known as Seeking Arrangement and was explicitly a SB / SD site. My understanding is that things have changed, so we'll see.

Its going to be a lightening trip, only 4 days, so we want to make the best of it and spend as much time with the Medellin Chicas as possible..[/QUOTE]I must be getting old and out of the loop.

How do you get contacts via Facebook. How do you find working girls on Facebook?

Please help.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686550]I have to agree with Cane. Most places in the US have a "best time to be there" Some places it's summer, some places it's winter, some places it's spring and fall. Medellin has all around great weather and it's consistent. I too have travelled all over and I can't think of any place that compares favorably.[/QUOTE]I prefer the Central American highlands around 1500 - 2000 meters. I prefer a distinct rainy season vs. Never knowing when it will rain like in MDE. And Bogotá is too cold, similar to Quito or Quetzaltenango. A little TOO high up. I'd say MDE has above average weather, but not great weather, because too much rain for my personal tastes. But I spent many years in the desert. La Serena or Viña del Mar in Chile is my kind of weather too.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686550]I have to agree with Cane. Most places in the US have a "best time to be there" Some places it's summer, some places it's winter, some places it's spring and fall. Medellin has all around great weather and it's consistent. I too have travelled all over and I can't think of any place that compares favorably.[/QUOTE]I'll do you one better. In the US I've lived in the midwest, southeast, northwest and southwest (both pacific coast and high desert). I've visited every major city in the US, along with most of the minor ones, all 50 states, (Oahu and Maui in Hawaii, Sitka and Adak Island in Alaska), Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands.

If you take summer from Boise, Idaho, add winter in either south Florida or Texas, toss in early autumn in the Midwest, late Spring in Albuquerque, you get something close to the average year in Medellin.

It's either rainy, or dry. When it's dry, it's hot, Taos, New Mexico hot, not Phoenix hot, or Houston hot. At night the temperature drops nicely, just perfect for sleeping. When it's rainy, it rains every day, but it's not rainy like Seattle, where it starts raining at the end of September and stops raining at the end of April. You might get 3 days a year when it rains around the clock. Mostly, you'll get light to medium rain late night, a brief shower in the morning, possibly a thunderstorm late afternoon, with a few hours of off and on light sprinkling.

If you're there during rainy season, carry an umbrella and a light waterproof jacket. The rest of the time, wear sunglasses and use sunscreen. If it starts raining, stop in at a bar, or a casa. If it gets too hot, stop in at a bar, or a casa.

There are no mosquitoes and very few flying insects or spiders. You're more likely to find a small lizard in your apartment than any type of bugs. For most, except for in the afternoon, you can be quite comfortable without air conditioning.

As someone else noted, due to the confluence of mountains surrounding Medellin, air quality is often bad. If you stay in Laureles, air quality improves in the late afternoon when you get a strong, consistent breeze out of the west. If you stay in Poblado, air quality is better in the morning.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686560]I am with you. The climate is depressing here. Rains all the time, cold, grey. May as well be Western or Northern Europe. I guess one's impression of the climate will be marked by what one is used to.[/QUOTE]Yes, actually the climate is more similar to Iceland here in Colombia being so close to the Equator with the variation of how long the days are depending on the time of year and how much daylight there is or isn't. Very depressing here for sure.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686560]I am with you. The climate is depressing here. Rains all the time, cold, grey. May as well be Western or Northern Europe. I guess one's impression of the climate will be marked by what one is used to.[/QUOTE]That's the dark cloud that hovers over you everywhere you go. I noticed it instantly the first time I ever laid eyes on you. And you're right, it's depressing.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2686584]Yes, actually the climate is more similar to Iceland here in Colombia being so close to the Equator with the variation of how long the days are depending on the time of year and how much daylight there is or isn't. Very depressing here for sure.[/QUOTE]There has been very little sunshine in MDE in the past months. Rains every day. Grey, cloudy, short daylight hours, like northern regions in winter. Cold due to the altiutude. If you think that's great, good for you! I don't.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2686586]That's the dark cloud that hovers over you everywhere you go. I noticed it instantly the first time I ever laid eyes on you. And you're right, it's depressing.[/QUOTE]Are you singing a song to me?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2686584]Yes, actually the climate is more similar to Iceland here in Colombia being so close to the Equator with the variation of how long the days are depending on the time of year and how much daylight there is or isn't. Very depressing here for sure.[/QUOTE]Are you seriously comparing a place like Iceland with an average temperature of 36 deg F in the winter and in the mid 50's in the summer, to Medellin? The warmest days in Iceland are still below the coolest nights here. Iceland's highs have a 20 degree range throughout the year. Medellin's average highs vary 2 or 3 degrees, with the same narrow range for the lows, and in a very comfortable range, hence "Eternal Spring. " I guess you were making some kind of joke.

Right now, April, is the month with the fewest hours of sunshine so maybe there is some immediacy bias. July is almost twice as sunny as now in Medellin.

Over a year's time 155 days are "sunny" in Medellin or a little less than half. The US average is 205 sunny days per year so Medellin is well below that. I grew up in the "Sunshine State" and I don't find the climate depressing at all in Medellin compared to some of the places I lived in the northeast. But comparing to Iceland? The temperatures are too far apart and the range is too wide to make that a meaningful comparison unless you're just trying to make some sort of peripheral point for effect.

The most remarkable feature of Medellin's climate is the constancy, or amazingly narrow and comfortable temperature range throughout the year. If that doesn't impress you, then probably not much else will about climate.

Another thing, have you looked around at the green space in Medellin? Because it rains enough and never gets too cold or too hot, the flora in Medellin is all stuck on "grow" all year round and incredible to see.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686592]There has been very little sunshine in MDE in the past months. Rains every day. Grey, cloudy, short daylight hours, like northern regions in winter. Cold due to the altiutude. If you think that's great, good for you! I don't.[/QUOTE]Hmm, 'short daylight hours' at 6 degrees of latitude right around the vernal equinox. Interesting concept. The winter solstice in 2021, the sun rose at 6:07 and set at 5:53 so the shortest daylight hours would be 11 hours and 46 minutes. I'm really darn sorry about those missing 14 minutes.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686384]I had a week full of Seeking Arrangement dates. I am an options trader who makes about 4 to 10 k a week trading puts and calls, so I am not really careful with money. I am somewhat price inelastic in nature, to me, convenience, service and beauty are more important. Anyway my adventure started with my plane being sidetracked to Cali because the only runway at Jose Cordova was ruined by a Latam jet. Going to Medellin the next day, I stayed at Leblon Suites on Poblado and it is girl friendly. The only bad thing about is the breakfast was not good, thus I usually went to Parmessano for that on Poblado.

The first girl I had was Abril2919 and her cost was 250 mil pesos. She provided BBBJ and covered sex. The funny thing with her is that I have had sexual relationships with her since 2019 and she still remembered parts of our first date. Also she had some sort of histamine reaction when I DATY. The area around her mouth became discolored. The second was Sara555, her cost was 300 mil pesos. She stayed for about 5 hours in my room. She provided barebacked sex but wanted me to come on her belly and not in her pussy, which I did. The problem with her was coordinating our time together. Apparently she takes care of her grandparents and it is hard for her to date. The last girl was Dayana05. She is a student at college learning to be a reporter. The problem with her is she lives in Bello and I had to pay for her Uber to come to my hotel and she only date at night due to her school work. She provided BBBJ with CIM but sex was covered. Cost was 500 mil. All three girls are on Instagram. Besides Seeking I used the service of Sexy Girls, which used to be on Seeking for 2 days but was banned for being more like an escort service. The cost for 2 hours was 600 mil. The advantage with them is that they were easy to coordinate time wise. Unfortunately, with regards to the two times I used them, one girl required covered BJ and both times required covered sex. All five girls kissed.

Medellin is great except it has really no museums to speak of and the weather is terrible.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of girls on SA in Medellin. How did you end up selecting those three?

Originally posted my report in the wrong thread (CTG).

Boots on the ground right now in MDE.

A vax card with 2 shots (Pfizer) worked for me to leave US and fly to MDE.

I had a negative PCR text (taken within 72 hours), not necessary, just as a backup provision.

The airport taxi driver (white and blue car) charged me 100 k mil to arrive from airport to El Poblado (I think he ripped me off because I have never paid more than 70 k or 80 k).

Uber sucks right now for getting around in MDE (couldn't get an Uber to pick me up for 20 minutes). I'm going to try DiDi, since I've heard good things.

The actual Park at Parque Lleras is still under construction. They are working super slow on the project. It will be nice once it's complete, but everything moves slow in Colombia and people here are lazy.

Went to Gustos. There were about 15 working girls. Most of them had fake butts and expensive purses, so I figured the services they offered would be high priced. I didn't even bother to ask how much because only one of them peaked my interest and she was already with a client for the night.

Just ended up walking the streets near Parque Lleras and found a spinner. Not sure what a good negotiable price is for a cute streetwalker is in this area, but I'm comfortable with the price I paid as it was likely 20% the cost of what one of those worn out Gustos girls would have tried to quote me.

Thank you all for your valuable contributions to this thread. Oske, I love living vicariously through you and your journeys here. RiceRocket and TTM, I miss your posts because I enjoyed them as well. .

Surfer, JJB, and many more, you guys rock and thank you for making this community here going strong.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2686615]There are a lot of girls on SA in Medellin. How did you end up selecting those three?[/QUOTE]I had sessions with Abril before and knew she was a good performer and a nice personality. The other two were based on looks and that I had connections with them on WhatsApp, plus their Seeking pictures matched their Instagram profiles.

I didn't realize my opinion on the weather of constant rain and cloudiness would attract so much attention, LOL. I went to ASU and prefer sunlight over rain. This past winter I lived in Miami, Las Vegas and Guadalajara. Who wants to deal with the cold. So I go where the weather is sunny and warm, but not hot. Right now I am in Mexico City and it has not rain nor been overcast the whole time I have been here. I don't like really hot and humid weather, so no Miami nor Vegas for me the next couple of months.

I am a digital nomad in that I use my computer to sell weekly options for 3 to 4 hours on Mondays in order to make my money. I spend the rest of the week trying not to be bored. So I go to restaurants and malls and do other things to keep myself from boredom, like date and bang Seeking girls.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686592]There has been very little sunshine in MDE in the past months. Rains every day. Grey, cloudy, short daylight hours, like northern regions in winter. Cold due to the altiutude. If you think that's great, good for you! I don't.[/QUOTE]The length of daylight hours in Medellin varies between 11 hours, 46 minutes and 12 hours. There are only 14 less minutes of daylight on the shortest day, December 22 and the longest day. And the first longest day of the year is February 9.

It has been cloudy and rainy for the past few months. It's cloudy and rainy every year at this time. In the next few weeks the rainy season will be over and you can expect to have almost no rain until sometime in June.

However, those terribly short days will continue to get shorter until June 21. All the way down to about 11 hours and 48 minutes. How depressing.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686384]I had a week full of Seeking Arrangement dates. I am an options trader who makes about 4 to 10 k a week trading puts and calls, so I am not really careful with money. I am somewhat price inelastic in nature, to me, convenience, service and beauty are more important. Anyway my adventure started with my plane being sidetracked to Cali because the only runway at Jose Cordova was ruined by a Latam jet. Going to Medellin the next day, I stayed at Leblon Suites on Poblado and it is girl friendly. The only bad thing about is the breakfast was not good, thus I usually went to Parmessano for that on Poblado.

The first girl I had was Abril2919 and her cost was 250 mil pesos. She provided BBBJ and covered sex. The funny thing with her is that I have had sexual relationships with her since 2019 and she still remembered parts of our first date. Also she had some sort of histamine reaction when I DATY. The area around her mouth became discolored. The second was Sara555, her cost was 300 mil pesos. She stayed for about 5 hours in my room. She provided barebacked sex but wanted me to come on her belly and not in her pussy, which I did. The problem with her was coordinating our time together. Apparently she takes care of her grandparents and it is hard for her to date. The last girl was Dayana05. She is a student at college learning to be a reporter. The problem with her is she lives in Bello and I had to pay for her Uber to come to my hotel and she only date at night due to her school work. She provided BBBJ with CIM but sex was covered. Cost was 500 mil. All three girls are on Instagram. Besides Seeking I used the service of Sexy Girls, which used to be on Seeking for 2 days but was banned for being more like an escort service. The cost for 2 hours was 600 mil..[/QUOTE]This type of post about Seking Girls could be very helpful, if names are accurate.

I found Sara555, pretty girl, but not Abril2919, or Dayana05. Apparently, the names are spelled wrong.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686636]I didn't realize my opinion on the weather . . . would attract so much attention[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SunDevil;2686636]constant rain and cloudiness .[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SunDevil;2686471]every time I go there it is rainy and cloudy[/QUOTE][QUOTE=SunDevil;2686384] the weather is terrible.[/QUOTE]When you write in hyperbole about the weather in "The City of Eternal Spring", don't expect the people with way more time than you here to let it slide by unnoticed. Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion. Mine is Medellin does not sound like a good fit for you and I think we are in agreement on that. Don't let the door hit your ass on your way out.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686636]I had sessions with Abril before and knew she was a good performer and a nice personality. The other two were based on looks and that I had connections with them on WhatsApp, plus their Seeking pictures matched their Instagram profiles.

I didn't realize my opinion on the weather of constant rain and cloudiness would attract so much attention, LOL. I went to ASU and prefer sunlight over rain. This past winter I lived in Miami, Las Vegas and Guadalajara. Who wants to deal with the cold. So I go where the weather is sunny and warm, but not hot. Right now I am in Mexico City and it has not rain nor been overcast the whole time I have been here. I don't like really hot and humid weather, so no Miami nor Vegas for me the next couple of months.

I am a digital nomad in that I use my computer to sell weekly options for 3 to 4 hours on Mondays in order to make my money. I spend the rest of the week trying not to be bored. So I go to restaurants and malls and do other things to keep myself from boredom, like date and bang Seeking girls.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a fun life. I love my travels but always glad to get home and into my own bed. I have only been on SA for a few years and lost the covid year of course but have had sucess in Playa del Carmen, Cartagena and Tijuana. With all the horror stories of druggings and theft in Columbia I think you are safer with them. You can find the semi pros and weed out the hard core pros during chat. I know that my regular SB in Tijuana had to send SA a photo of her ID for an age check. How was the place you stayed in? I like to be in the nicest GF place available.

[QUOTE=Mishwar;2686577]I must be getting old and out of the loop.

How do you get contacts via Facebook. How do you find working girls on Facebook?

Please help.[/QUOTE]You scroll to the top of this page and find where it says "Search Thread. " You click there and search for "Facebook. " Then you read through and find the 50 times where someone asked the same question and someone answered it.

BTW, the same procedure works for anything you read in any thread, which you want to learn more about.

My response may seem rude, but your question is asked and answered about once per week.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2686580]I prefer the Central American highlands around 1500 - 2000 meters. I prefer a distinct rainy season vs. Never knowing when it will rain like in MDE. And Bogot is too cold, similar to Quito or Quetzaltenango. A little TOO high up. I'd say MDE has above average weather, but not great weather, because too much rain for my personal tastes. But I spent many years in the desert. La Serena or Via del Mar in Chile is my kind of weather too.[/QUOTE]I can't take the damn heat in MDE in mid afternoon its in the 80's with no aircon, that's not spring that's summer to me (with no A / C).

Ill be fucking like an MMA fighter drenched in sweat I can't even pop its so damn hot, I just want an ice cold shower!

No gracias!

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686471]Yes, I have been going to that city since 2006, and every time I go there it is rainy and cloudy. I am a digital nomad and have been hanging out more in Guadalajara due to its better weather of sunlight and comparable warmth.[/QUOTE]I am like you. I lived in Phoenix for a few years, and it was my favorite climate. Medellin and Bogota are the best for women. I chose Cartagena for a place to settle in because of the weather but the women there want more cash than in other cities.

In all honesty, my favorite city with regards to women and climate is Barranquilla. I would have to loved to have settled down with some sugar babies there and gotten into a routine. The women there want less than Bogota or Medellin but there are just not as many of them. Other issue is there are literally like no touristy things to do but I think you could hang there during the week and head to Santa Marta or Cartagena on the weekends. BAQ has a desert like climate that reminds me a lot of Phoenix, but it does not get as hot.

The reason we settled in Cartagena is that is where she is from but also because I feel much better there than in Bogota or Medellin. The last few times I was in Medellin the weather was rainy, cold, grey, or dark.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686592]There has been very little sunshine in MDE in the past months. Rains every day. Grey, cloudy, short daylight hours, like northern regions in winter. Cold due to the altiutude. If you think that's great, good for you! I don't.[/QUOTE]You are obviously not in Medellin. It rained a little this afternoon, just enough to get the streets wet. The prior three or fours days, no rain. Sunshine every day. During the week and a half I have been here, the lows have been in the 60's. I sleep under a sheet, no blankets. I think it gets daylight around 6 am. I'm usually not awake at that hour, but sometimes I've woken up and looked at my watch, without a light, and it's been between 6 and 6:30 am. It gets dark around 6 pm.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2686685] How was the place you stayed in? I like to be in the nicest GF place available.[/QUOTE]It was nice and comfortable. The guys at the front desk would copy the cedula of the girl and afterwards the girl and I would go to the room without any question asked. The breakfast was a bit tiresome and thus I would go to Parmessano of the LaStrada shopping center to eat. I spent $392 for 6 nights.

Where do you see full Vax is required? Gov website says if not fully vaccinated then at least 1 shot AND a Negative test 72 hours before boarding. This is for non residents traveling to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2685995]Full vaccination is required. Booster shots are not required yet, but don't be surprised if that changes.

Masks are required most places in Colombia, be prepared to wear them like everyone else does.

A COVID test within 24 hours is required to fly back to the US.

Why fool around? Get fully vaccinated, get your booster shot, wear your mask, and enjoy Colombia. Otherwise stay home.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2686667]This type of post about Seking Girls could be very helpful, if names are accurate.

I found Sara555, pretty girl, but not Abril2919, or Dayana05. Apparently, the names are spelled wrong.[/QUOTE]Or could it possibly be they are no longer on the site?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2686737]You are obviously not in Medellin. It rained a little this afternoon, just enough to get the streets wet. The prior three or fours days, no rain. Sunshine every day. During the week and a half I have been here, the lows have been in the 60's. I sleep under a sheet, no blankets. I think it gets daylight around 6 am. I'm usually not awake at that hour, but sometimes I've woken up and looked at my watch, without a light, and it's been between 6 and 6:30 am. It gets dark around 6 pm.[/QUOTE]Of course I am not in mDE. I am a ghost, a virtual emoji. Paul 69 says so, so it must be true. You do not know that MDE has micro-climates. The north is warmer and dryer, and often sees more sunshine. I live in Envigado, where it is cold and wet and grey most of the time. But even when I do venture to centre, it's usually cloudy. Never gets warm enough to sunbathe, for example. Yes, it gets dark around 6 pm. Thats my point. Just like northern regions in winter. Its depressing to live inside, in cold grey weather. That has been psychologically proven. My hoe it gets dark around 7:30 pm, w 14 and a half hours of daylight.

When I travel with friends to the coast, my USA friends usually complain that its too hot, but I suspect that's bcos they come in their winter, they are not used to warm weather, and they are not very healthy. You say its 60's. I just checked, that's 15 C. Right, so we agree on the temp. That is cold for me.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2686667]This type of post about Seking Girls could be very helpful, if names are accurate.

I found Sara555, pretty girl, but not Abril2919, or Dayana05. Apparently, the names are spelled wrong.[/QUOTE]I agree, this is a really helpful. Allows people to look for the girls, although Seeking still doesn't have a search for username, so have to scroll through and hope.

I was able to find all three girls on Seeking yesterday, and favorited them. Not sure how long they will be on there.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2686667]This type of post about Seking Girls could be very helpful, if names are accurate.

I found Sara555, pretty girl, but not Abril2919, or Dayana05. Apparently, the names are spelled wrong.[/QUOTE]They are there. Abril2919's last active date, as of today, is April 16 and Dayana05's is April 14.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686842]But even when I do venture to centre, it's usually cloudy. Never gets warm enough to sunbathe, for example.[/QUOTE]That is why I was surprised to see guys like Surf swimming and other guys looking for places to stay with a pool. To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.

[QUOTE=Mishwar;2686577]I must be getting old and out of the loop.

How do you get contacts via Facebook. How do you find working girls on Facebook?

Please help.[/QUOTE]It definitely a different world, one that I am still navigating and learning about.

This is what I did, and my advice to you:

1) Go to the Columbia main forum and click on "Links to Reports of Distinction" read the relevant ones on Facebook and Medellin.

2) Browse the Medellin forum for the last 4-6 months. Read the reports and advice that applies to you. Skim the rest (for example, I'm not interested in the current debate on weather in Medellin, but there was a bit of advice hidden in some of the posts).

3) If you don't already have one, buy a membership to The Board. Its $25 (which is a drop in the bucket to anyone who is engaged in this hobby), and by doing so you support the board and are able to DM other paying board members. Bitcoin was a PIA for me to figure out and use, but hey that's what works.

4) Once you are a paying member, you can DM members who have a post in which they offered to help with adding Facebook friends and other things in Medellin.

**Note. I said members who have offered to help. You can message whomever you want, but the ones who have offered to help are more likely to be responsive. Please don't DM every active / senior member with a request for more help. Be selective, be polite.

5) Once you have a Facebook page and are "friends" with a few Medellin women, Facebook itself will recommend more "friends". Send request to those you find attractive and are in Medellin. If you are FB Friends with another board member, you can peruse their friends list and send out friend requests, knowing that they are likely to better respond. Usually the women who have a picture of money in the the background, or devil horns on their profile pic are good bets for "working girls". Also the ones who have overtly sexual pics. But be careful, some are only selling pics / videos and aren't interested in meeting up. I would avoid the "OnlyFans" girls, as they seem to be only interested in subscribers. Start a conversation with them a few weeks before you are going to be there, and you'll be able to figure out pretty quickly who is interested in meeting up (also see #2 above).

6) After you have done all of the above, if you still have specific questions, politely ask the board. I have found that most board members are helpful (shout out to ASUDevil1 and Sargon76) if you show that you have done your homework and are still genuinely looking for more info.

I am not an expert by any means on Medellin. I am trying to learn the ropes here as well. The above advice has worked well for me.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2686662]The length of daylight hours in Medellin varies between 11 hours, 46 minutes and 12 hours. There are only 14 less minutes of daylight on the shortest day, December 22 and the longest day. And the first longest day of the year is February 9.

It has been cloudy and rainy for the past few months. It's cloudy and rainy every year at this time. In the next few weeks the rainy season will be over and you can expect to have almost no rain until sometime in June.

However, those terribly short days will continue to get shorter until June 21. All the way down to about 11 hours and 48 minutes. How depressing.[/QUOTE]Well after going to Iceland during the summer before the Pandemic, there was like 23 hours of sunshine and one hour of darkness when I was there. I had to force myself to go to sleep around 11 PM every-night to keep my internal clock right, and you talk about block out curtains in the Hotel, not two, but three curtains.

What is nice here in Colombia is that basically sun up and sun down is 12 hours apart.

Now if you want to be somewhere depressing, try Iceland in the middle of winter when your lucky to have an hour or too of daylight for a few weeks in a row.

Makes sense why there is so much obesity and alcoholism in Iceland.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]That is why I was surprised to see guys like Surf swimming and other guys looking for places to stay with a pool. To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]Right! The only time I use a pool in MDE is if its climatizada. Heated.

Right to settle this, according to Weatherspark for Envigado:
Temp, avge day is 76-77 F / 24.5-25 C, avge night is 61-63 F / 16-17 C.
Daily chance of rain 53-87%.
Rain per month 4. 6-10.6 in / 11.5-21.5 cm.
Cloudy 81-95%.

These are facts. How we personally chose to interpret the facts with opinion is subjective.

My home is:
Temp, avge day is 82-84 F / 27.5-29 C, avge night is 66-67 F / 18-19.5 C.
Daily chance of rain 5-7%.
Rain per month 0. 4-0. 5 in / 1-1. 25 cm.
Cloudy 12-18%.

Given these stats, why is my POV not valid when I say IMO it is cold, wet, cloudy and grey?

Is it true that I do not live in MDE and have no experience of the weather here? Lmfao.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]That is why I was surprised to see guys like Surf swimming and other guys looking for places to stay with a pool. To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]That is probably because he is a swimmer and use it as an exercise so it is not that weather dependent.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2686883]Right! The only time I use a pool in MDE is if its climatizada. Heated.

Right to settle this, according to Weatherspark for Envigado:
Temp, avge day is 76-77 F / 24.5-25 C, avge night is 61-63 F / 16-17 C.
Daily chance of rain 53-87%.
Rain per month 4. 6-10.6 in / 11.5-21.5 cm.
Cloudy 81-95%.

These are facts. How we personally chose to interpret the facts with opinion is subjective.

My home is:
Temp, avge day is 82-84 F / 27.5-29 C, avge night is 66-67 F / 18-19.5 C.
Daily chance of rain 5-7%..[/QUOTE]Yes. It's true that you don't live in Medellin and seem to be inexperienced with the weather there.

You just stated you live in Envigado. Envigado is it's own city, located inside the Medellin metropolitan area, but outside of the Medellin city limits.

When you frequently post about El Centro, then complain about the weather in Medellin, but you're actually complaining about the weather in Envigado, it clarifies that you aren't in Medellin, and certainly presents the appearance of someone who is unfamiliar with the local weather.

Chances are, while it's raining in the part of Envigado you mistakenly chose to live in, elsewhere in Envigado the weather is quite nice, and it's downright balmy in El Centro.

If you're from somewhere where the longest daylight period is 14 hours then you're also from a place where the shortest daylight period is 10 hours. That puts it at the 30th parallel, on the same line as Houston, Texas.

Unfortunately, the average daily high and low temperatures are about as useless as a condom dispenser in a convent. For example, Houston has an average daytime temperature of 78°F, with the average nighttime temp dropping to 60°, so it's just a bit colder than Medellin. Correct?

Nope. In Houston, the hottest month averages 91°F for a high, with 99 days per year over 90°, along with 18 days per year with temperature at or below 32°F. Record high and low were 108°F and 5°F.

For comparison, the hottest month in Medellin averages 83°F for a high. The coldest month averages 80°F for a high. The low temperature average for the coldest months is 63°F, raising to a blistering 64°F in the hottest months. Record high and low are 95°F and 50°F.

Name a location, within 30 minutes of latitude of the 30th parallel (north), which has monthly average high temperatures which vary by less than 30°F, and a monthly low temperatures which vary by less than 15°F, with a high to low range of 40°and I'll gladly accept that where you are from has a reasonably acceptable climate. I'm being generous. The range in Medellin is 3°, 1° and 20° respectively.

However, with regards to temperature range, over the entire year, you won't find any place outside of the tropics with more minutes within 10°F of normal comfortable temperature for humans, which is 70°F.

Yes, it rains a lot in Medellin. A 1 hour flight away is the world's largest rain forest. If it didn't rain a lot it would be a complete nightmare. No trees, very little greenery, much worse air quality, dust storms, much higher high temperatures and much lower low temperatures. Worst of all, almost the entire city wouldn't exist. 5 million people can't survive in an area that doesn't have any water.

Here's a suggestion:

If you think the climate in Medellin is so terrible, go somewhere else. Instead of crying like a school girl who broke her favorite crayon, about something you can't change, pack your bags, act like an adult and change your location to one which better suits you. If you're only there because it's one of the few places in the world where you can afford to live and be able to pay for pussy, put on your big boy pants, stop whining about the weather and go fuck.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2686845]I agree, this is a really helpful. Allows people to look for the girls, although Seeking still doesn't have a search for username, so have to scroll through and hope.

I was able to find all three girls on Seeking yesterday, and favorited them. Not sure how long they will be on there.[/QUOTE]Indeed they're all still there. You can search for profile names if you go to Filter and scroll down to the last one. Takes one minute to find all three that way.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686850]You've never been to Medellin, all the regulars on this thread know that by now. Most hotels (other than the cheapest hostels) have air conditioning. My upscale hotel has both air conditioning and a wall fan.

I haven't ever used the air conditioning. Even if you were here and seeing a girl mid-afternoon when it reaches its hottest. (low to mid 80's) you could turn on a fan and be very comfortable.

Or are you so out of shape that the mere exertion of sexual activity causes you to overheat and sweat like a pig?[/QUOTE]I've never been to Medellin but I'm going to go soon. What is your upscale hotel?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2686874]To me it does not get hot or sunny enough there to be frolicking in a swimming pool.[/QUOTE]Actually there is way to much sun in Medellin along with lots of dermatologists.

Granted the last few weeks here have been a bit dreary, grey, and rainy, which other posters have been remarking about, yet there has been more than enough sunshine to enjoy, albeit it's typically in the mornings as of lately from about sun up until early afternoon.

You might not like frolicking in the pool, but Colombians love it.

Last Thursday I went to the water park by the local airport with one of my Chicas, and at 11 AM it was packed because of Semana Santa, as all kids were allowed in for free. And it was plenty hot enough in that people were playing in the pools.

They have several pools that are heated, yet the large wave pool is not, so it's a bit brisk, but the Colombians were going nuts in it.

As your aware, the majority of Colombians do not have hot water to shower with in their homes, hence tolerating cold water is natural for them, versus typically not the case for foreigners.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2686850]You've never been to Medellin, all the regulars on this thread know that by now. Most hotels (other than the cheapest hostels) have air conditioning. My upscale hotel has both air conditioning and a wall fan.

I haven't ever used the air conditioning. Even if you were here and seeing a girl mid-afternoon when it reaches its hottest. (low to mid 80's) you could turn on a fan and be very comfortable.

Or are you so out of shape that the mere exertion of sexual activity causes you to overheat and sweat like a pig?[/QUOTE]Almost wish I had read that post. I've spent a summer in Chicago, with no air-conditioning. For someone in Chicago to be saying Medellin is too hot (when a hot summer day in Chicago has a heat index 30° higher than a hot day in Medellin), it's like someone in Florida complaining that Idaho has too many hurricanes.

I spent a year without air-conditioning in Medellin, and other than turning a fan on in the late afternoon (western exposure), the temperature was never an issue. I spent most afternoons walking and barely broke a sweat. Even riding my bike from Envigado to El Centro, and putting some effort into it (had to get back to La Frontera before Ciclovia ended) just worked up a reasonable sweat.

Then again, anyone who has spent their life in the Midwest and never been to Medellin won't understand the role humidity plays.

Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.).

Ok, so you've identified a chica that you're eager to have come by your place for a little gambol and frolic, and you have a maximum target price in mind that's acceptable to you, based in part on your understanding of her true worth in the Medellin monger market (local and expat alike). What does the literature on negotiation have to say about the next question: "Who should make the first offer?" Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was "Get the other guy (well, gal, in our case) to state her price first", premised on the strategic value of keeping one's cards close to the chest for as long as possible while getting the other party to be the first to disclose some useful information. But in recent years, the pendulum has swung 180 degrees, with the research now demonstrating that, in most cases, it's actually in your interest to be the first to make an offer. This change has largely come about based on the "anchoring effect" first identified by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, the Israeli founders of Behavioral Economics. This from Wikepedia on the "anchoring effect": "In one of their first studies, participants were asked to compute, within 5 seconds, the product of the numbers one through to eight, either as 1 X 2 X 3 X 4 X 5 X 6 X 7 X 8 or reversed as 8 X 7 X 6 X 5 X 4 X 3 X 2 X 1. " For those presented with the sequence starting with the smaller numbers, the median estimate was 512. For those, who started with the higher numbers, the median estimate was 2,250. (The actual answer in both cases is 40,320).

Since then, a number of other similarly ingenious experiments have further validated / elaborated upon this "anchoring effect", regardless of whether the subjects are Stanford business school grads, or random guys off the street. The implication for price negotiations large or small: Being the first one to state a price creates a strong, unconscious bias towards your initial offer (the anchor) in the mind of the other party, and thereby tends to skew the final result in your favor.

That said, some negotiation experts qualify this conclusion as being dependent on your objective. If your aim is simply to get the best price, for sure, do make the first offer (as long as you don't low-ball so aggressively that the chica takes a walk). On the other hand, if your goal is that both parties come away from the negotiation feeling well satisfied with the outcome, you might still want to let the chica make the opening offer--with the perhaps reasonable expectation that she'll feel better about the outcome if she feels that she remained more in control of the process, and that this good feeling might translate into somewhat better, friendlier service from her in the sack.

Finally, in making one's opening bid, the negotiation literature, not surprisingly, advises one to leave some room for maneuver / compromise, rather than starting with a "take-it-or-leave-it" best offer. I guess an exception to this rule may be for the younger ISG studs who are knocking off multiple, doable chicas per day and operate in full "Don't waste my time" mode. And who understandably have no sense of investment in any particular chica. In my case, by contrast, I have as often as not invested considerable effort (and pesos) just to find the chica with whom I'm trying to make a deal (perhaps having made the luckless rounds of a dozen casas and strip clubs before having spotted her as a potential keeper, someone who really gets my juices flowing and, in most cases, also someone whom I have already taken for a super-satisfactory test drive in the case / club itself). Having made all this effort, I don't want to lose her over 50,000 pesos ($12 or so), or, in rarer cases, even 100 k.

In line with the above, during some introductory chit-chat I will have let the chica know that I'm a seasoned Medellin hand, and, when the time has come to pin down a price, will open with something like "I usually pay around 150 mil plus transport" (or "I have never paid more than x mil"). Then if we end up negotiating briefly and I agree to raise my offer by 50 mil or so to meet her counter bid, I try to leave her with the impression that I'm reluctantly making a rare exception in her case because she's so irresistible, "la belleza de Conejitos" (if not of all of Medellin).

I see that I've rambled on at some length. For those who've stayed with this post to the end, Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2686875]It definitely a different world, one that I am still navigating and learning about.

This is what I did, and my advice to you:

1) Go to the Columbia main forum and click on "Links to Reports of Distinction" read the relevant ones on Facebook and Medellin.

2) Browse the Medellin forum for the last 4-6 months. Read the reports and advice that applies to you. Skim the rest (for example, I'm not interested in the current debate on weather in Medellin, but there was a bit of advice hidden in some of the posts).

3) If you don't already have one, buy a membership to The Board. Its $25 (which is a drop in the bucket to anyone who is engaged in this hobby), and by doing so you support the board and are able to DM other paying board members. Bitcoin was a PIA for me to figure out and use, but hey that's what works..[/QUOTE]That was well put. You might want to keep a copy because you'll see that same question quite often.

About your note after #4:

Don't ask for people to send you their contacts. Instead, explain what you are doing and ask for ways to find more girls. Don't be overly familiar. You don't know them and they don't know you. You aren't bros or buds. You're just a new guy hoping to learn from an old pro (how to find young pros).

Before you start sending PMs, post a few messages, introducing yourself and give an honest assessment of your experience. Speaking for myself, I'm much more likely to give you my time if you don't have much experience. If you claim to have a lot of experience, but no trip reports, and you're asking questions that everyone knows, you'll be considered just another troll.

When you PM, don't blow smoke up their ass. Just tell them you like their posts and ask your questions. I don't need to read that you think I'm the greatest. It makes me doubt your honesty and judgement.

Post about your trip. The biggest lie on ISG is "I'll be sure to post a report. " Post about the good and the bad. Make sure to mention the stuff that took you by surprise. There are always little things which nobody told you about, for example Colombians greeting everyone and saying something when entering and leaving an elevator. Or, waiters will not come to your table unless you signal them. You will be sitting there looking at the menu for 6 hours if you don't catch someone's eye and wave them over.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2686880]Well after going to Iceland during the summer before the Pandemic, there was like 23 hours of sunshine and one hour of darkness when I was there. I had to force myself to go to sleep around 11 PM every-night to keep my internal clock right, and you talk about block out curtains in the Hotel, not two, but three curtains.

What is nice here in Colombia is that basically sun up and sun down is 12 hours apart.

Now if you want to be somewhere depressing, try Iceland in the middle of winter when your lucky to have an hour or too of daylight for a few weeks in a row.

Makes sense why there is so much obesity and alcoholism in Iceland.[/QUOTE]You're preaching to the choir (hopefully without any inappropriate touching). I spent 3 winters in Idaho, 2 years in the pacific northwest and 1 summer in Adak, Alaska. The only good thing was staggering drunkenly back to the ship at 2 am and it was still light out.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.)..[/QUOTE]I'm the official greeter for the ramble on for some length club. I'll send your application to the membership committee.

You hit perfectly on my method. I want a deal where everyone comes out a winner. I'm also willing to play the long game. I don't need that girl on that day and 3 days later, my offer might be much more attractive to her.

I'm also looking long term. I'll probably be in Medellin many more times. I have a reputation of being fair and providing an experience appealing to the girls. When some girl puts my picture on the chica grapevine, she'll likely get a thumbs up from someone.

I think the proof of whether your method works is whether or not most of the girls want to see you again.

In regards to the weather, I just don't understand the complaints. I've worked outside in temperatures from -47°-125°, often dealing with extremely high humidity. I've worked outside in snowstorms, ice storms, dust storms and thunderstorms. I've dealt with 5 months of almost constant rain and 3 weeks when temperatures stayed below -20°. Then there are the nights, when it's still 85° at midnight.

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[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.).

Ok, so you've identified a chica that you're eager to have come by your place for a little gambol and frolic, and you have a maximum target price in mind that's acceptable to you, based in part on your understanding of her true worth in the Medellin monger market (local and expat alike). What does the literature on negotiation have to say about the next question: "Who should make the first offer?" Thirty years ago the conventional wisdom was "Get the other guy (well, gal, in our case) to state her price first", premised on the strategic value of keeping one's cards close to the chest for as long as possible while getting the other party to be the first to disclose some useful information. But in recent years, the pendulum has swung 180 degrees, with the research now demonstrating that, in most cases, it's actually in your interest to be the first to make an offer. This change has largely come about based on the "anchoring effect" first identified by Amos Tversky and Daniel Kahneman, the Israeli founders of Behavioral Economics.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Nil.

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[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2686968]I've never been to Medellin but I'm going to go soon. What is your upscale hotel?[/QUOTE]Is if the door can be locked from the inside, then he's good.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2687036]Is if the door can be locked from the inside, then he's good.[/QUOTE]You forgot the indoor plumbing.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686860]They are there. Abril2919's last active date, as of today, is April 16 and Dayana05's is April 14.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I finally found them with text search for the names. Not sure why they did not show up the first time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2687024]I think the proof of whether your method works is whether or not most of the girls want to see you again.[/QUOTE]You can strike the deal ahead of time in detail down to the peso, or wait until the dirty deed is done and "give from your heart" as a lot these girls will put it. You can itemize and break it down into separate services, or lump it all into one end-of-the-session price.

If you want her back, and she is willing to return, then whatever you did, worked.

I am definitely into it for the long game, too. I am always one for "whatever works best" for each monger, but for the life of me, I cannot relate to doing a series of "one-and-done" with these chicas.

The sex, the relationship, the emotions, and the trust, almost always get better the more times I see a girl. And some of my best girls who are with me now, I got off to a very rocky start with in the beginning. I have no idea how I knew which ones to stick with and which ones to pass over. I also like bringing in a certain number of new girls to keep it fresh.

ROFL, Ramble On For Length, I've been there and been on a roll lately here. For the past six months it feels like I am compensating by substitution. When I am not in Medellin, I am substituting for a state of bliss I achieve almost exclusively there. And when I am in Medellin, I am substituting my regular girls for the recently elusive Catgirl, my Numero Uno Novia. As long as I am in Medellin, I am happy.

[QUOTE=SunDevil;2686860]They are there. Abril2919's last active date, as of today, is April 16 and Dayana05's is April 14.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I finally found them with text search for the names. Not sure why they did not show up the first time.

How about one sunrise and ones sunset for an entire year? And in between it's either light 24 hours a day or dark 24 hours day. Talk about getting your biological clock screwed up, that'll do it.

I've said many time that I've gotten laid on all seven continents. I spent an entire year at the South Pole, at the very bottom of the planet.

95% of the people who visit Antarctica briefly set foot on the coast. A small subset of us called "Winter-Overs" stayed at the South Pole for an entire year.

Foto is me standing at the geographic South Pole. My hair and teeth are still the same, jaja, so maybe you can recognize me from the other fotos of me here.

I took the foto of the naked dudes. That is the old South Pole geodesic dome in the background, no longer in use when I was there. You can see the path we cut through the snowdrift with a Catepillar dozer to go run around the pole naked when it was minus 100 degrees F outside. Do you follow? How can you run outside naked for even a short time when it is minus 100 F without suffering harm? You can't.

Unless you first preheat yourself in a 200 degree sauna. Then you can last a couple of minutes outside at minus 100 F. I looked for my patch but couldn't find it, that shows I am a member of the "300 Degree Club". Your naked body goes from 200 degrees above to minus 100 degrees in seconds, for a difference of 300 degrees. Those with weak hearts should not apply. South Pole is the only place on the planet where you can do this. The 300 Degree Club has been called the most exclusive club on the planet, albeit one most would not care to join.

Oh, and I also fucked the most beautiful girl hands down on the continent, a Swedish model that made a pit-stop there for a photo-shoot in the summer. I think she was considered a super-model, bunch of people had heard of her. Her beauty was absolutely stunning. I was not mongering then. Obviously, I cannot show her face, but I did attach a foto. She is standing behind the ceremonial South Pole, several meters away from where I was standing.

Never saw or heard from her again after one fling, neither one of us tried. She was a tigress and tested me. Definitely Top Ten all time. I took the foto. I was in my "Andy Warhol" stage then with all my portraits, jaja. Make that Top Twenty.

What happens on "The Ice", stays on The Ice.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2687036]Is if the door can be locked from the inside, then he's good.[/QUOTE]What I really want to know is what are some of the nicer hotels that are girl friendly.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it. While recognizing that Pricing Pussy is not exactly high-stakes negotiation, it might still prove entertaining (at least for some of you) to consider what light the economics / business admin literature can shine on the subject. (Upfront qualifier: I'm venturing these comments as a layman; not as a certified economist / MBA, so cut me some slack. And just move on to the next post if this type of somewhat intellectualized pondering bores or irritates you.) The somewhat academic reflections that follow are just for the fun of it. In practice, I'm very much in harmony with JjBee62's low-key, good humored, don't sweat the small stuff approach and common sense advice on getting to Yes on price, though (for the reasons detailed, below) I've gravitated to the "make the first offer" camp. (An aside to JjBee62, I say "good humored", but from your post today it seems that someone's dumping on Medellin's weather is a spare-no-prisoners, sore spot with you.).



I see that I've rambled on at some length. For those who've stayed with this post to the end, Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]Whilst this is an admirable effort to explain the negotiations rooted in western capitalistic models of negotiation. It omits to understand cultural aspects of Latin America. Women there are ingrained to let the man make the first move, and then ironically the gauge their worth by what a man offers. They also talk and act with more emotion than we do, especially the newer ones as opposed to the hardened pros, there is also consideration that need be give to the market place, is it casa, is it seeking, is it FB or is it Centro? Or that gringo fleecing joint called gustos?

I enjoyed reading your post but wanted to point out those observations.

FWIW I go with the make my offer leaving a bit of upside, 150-200 is my initial, next step up is why 30 por taxi, then 250 all in, if its crossing that, there better be a darn good reason, and even if it was Ms universe I ain't crossing 300 mil, not cuz I can't but because it's Medellin, and any hoe who thinks that highly of herself typically doesn't perform in the sack. The best sessions I have had are with my repeats and the money isn't even discussed, it's just something I give them on the way out, many times they don't even count it and it goes into the purse. We have even forgotten the payment part on occasion, but I always make it up as I am not there to stiff anyone, and I want no implication of this being anything but a P4P relationship. Finally as JJB mentions, there is an element of whether the chica is attracted to you, if she is, then she is likely to prioritize you. Maybe even more than a slightly better paying guy. Familiarity, fun, connection, a little kindness and other things you might spend while together can make them prefer you.

Moonlight is a flake. She agreed to meet. When she didn't show, I texted to ask where she was. She claimed that she was in a taxi, but traffic was bad. About an hour later she claimed that traffic was so bad she had to turn back and could not come.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2687130]What I really want to know is what are some of the nicer hotels that are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]The Charlie Hotel is very nice and very girl friendly.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2687130]What I really want to know is what are some of the nicer hotels that are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]I am more of a COT and a crapper kinda mongerer. Shit, shower and shave, hot water optional. Or better yet, crash with chicas 2 or 3 nights at a time, wash, rinse repeat.

My last trip I stayed mostly at The Nutti or Nutibara in El Centro. Sounds like you need to talk to some Poblado guys, which I more or less avoid, the place more than the guys, jaja.

Any recommendation for a modern two bedroom rental in Poblado or Laureles? A small house with two bedrooms will also do if it's in Poblado. Stayed in Europa Suites in past, but don't want to pay $700-800 for 3 night stay. Thank you.

Visiting Medellin May 1-4.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2687130]What I really want to know is what are some of the nicer hotels that are girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Hotel Du Parc. It's on the expensive side, about $100 per night, but just a short walk away from Parque Lleras. Orange Suites, Haven Hotel and Hotel Dorado La 70 are a few more. I'm checking out one in Envigado in 2 weeks. Don't know yet if it's chica friendly.

Man, I was missing Kathy for over a year now and luck be it she unretired for an encore.

She is ONLY seeing regulars now and actually won't even post her ad just alerts in her stories.

That said fuck! I been fucking her since 2014 and she is STILL the best lay I have in Medellin.

Even better is she is doing oral naturale all the time which took years for her to get over on.

We kissed up against the wall and she is soo horny and wet. I can't get over how pretty she is still! She must be like 29 by now.

I do recall in 2014 when we first fucked her stomach had baby damage and in 2016 she had surgery to fix it and her stomach has been tight ever since. Damn!

Anyway, if you were a client she is popping up here and there but she isn't posting ads and blocks people who she hasn't already saved in her phone so there ya go.

Kathy, the only other prepago on Medellíand I hear talking about is her, Vanessa and ángel from a few years ago.

Happy hunting everyone!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2687222]we first fucked her stomach had baby damage and in 2016 she had surgery to fix it and her stomach has been tight ever since. [/QUOTE]That's penile-navel, I assume? I would give that a whirl. Thanks for the suggestion.

Jejejeje.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]Yesterday three BMs posted their personal perspectives on the "Pay" in P4P: FunLuvr: state your price up-front, take it from there; JjBee62: let the lady go first, but have a reasonable price in mind; and IamLookin: Here's what I pay; take it or leave it.[/QUOTE]Each approach you discussed by the three posters seems to be for first time "Fayboo"/ Tinder encounters, and done via messaging, versus in person face to face. I can easily see a variation of the three approaches, along with other approaches when dealing face to face in venues such as in Centro, Lleras, and even Gustos.

From a personal perspective, and all due respect to the three posters you mentioned, the whole notion of negotiating a first time encounter with a sex worker via the Internet has never worked well for me.

Yet on the flip side of things, I know there are many posters here who exclusively get all their Chicas via the Internet, with no right way or wrong way.

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Thank you for the outstanding tips. You are my teacher from miles away. I had an amazing 3 ways last night. I have fucked both girls separately before, and one of the girl happen to know each other and introduced me to the 3rd.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2684539]A fellow monger sent me a PM asking my opinion on how to make 3-ways more viable and fun. Maybe a couple more of you guys might find this helpful. I am certain there are gaps in my knowledge, angles I have not considered, or differing opinions on this subject, so any further insights appreciated.

Random three-ways can be one of the most disappointing P4P experiences reported and here's why I believe that is the case. By "random" I mean the way most newbies will set up a 3-way up, with two random, unknown girls who may or may not know each other. Then what transpires is a "tag team" where the girls take turn doing the same 'ol, same 'ol with you while the other chica watches, or even worse, while the other is stealing from you while you are distracted. Tag team thievery is a common mechanism. Always keep a set of eyes on both girls and for Gawd's sake don't get into the shower with one of them while the other is sight unseen in your room.

I don't always use the following rules, but when I do I am usually pleased with the outcome. First, I have fucked both girls separately before we meet for the three-way. Then, the girls either happen to know each other or they get a chance to meet and at least eyeball each other before the actual three-way. The point is a little bit of familiarity among the participants goes a long way for predicting success in a three-way.

With that said, I had one great three-way when two chicas overlapped sessions in my hotel room who had never met before, and the first one ended up staying. I think that is an exception..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2686983]participants were asked to compute, within 5 seconds, the product of the numbers one through to eight, either as 1 X 2 X 3 X 4 X 5 X 6 X 7 X 8 or reversed as 8 X 7 X 6 X 5 X 4 X 3 X 2 X 1. " For those presented with the sequence starting with the smaller numbers, the median estimate was 512. For those, who started with the higher numbers, the median estimate was 2,250. (The actual answer in both cases is 40,320).[/QUOTE][B]All this proves is most people suck at math. I did that in my head in three seconds. 6, 24, 120, 720, 5040, 40,320. A piece of cake.[/B]

First time visiting Medellin with bare bones knowledge of Spanish. I am planning to stay in St Peters apartment in Laureles, will be arriving at airport around 10 AM on a Sunday.

Would you advise me to book a cab with an English speaking driver beforehand or should I take the official taxi? Any idea how much it should cost to go to Laureles from airport?

How about currency exchange. I don't mind exchanging a small amount at airport but wonder if there are any currency exchanges within walking distance of St Peter's apartment suites that would be open on Sunday noon?

Can the experienced ones please advise?

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2687137]The Charlie Hotel is very nice and very girl friendly.[/QUOTE]Very very nice, and if you call them charging 150 k per girl, girl friendly kadoos good you!

I contacted Giraldo Sara from Facebook Saturday to see if she was available. Being the day before Easter, I knew the pickings were slim. She agreed to come over Saturday night. She arrived a little late, but kept me informed. She is not attractive at all, but I was hoping her performance would make up for her looks. Big disappointment. A blow-up doll would have been better because it would have had a better attitude. She arrived and went straight to the bedroom and removed all her clothes. I didn't mind that because I was okay with a quickee. No foreplay, kissing with extra money (I refused). Then she wanted a condom for everything. When I tried to reason with her for oral without a condom, her only answer was "condom!". I quickly lost interest and paid her to leave. At least she didn't make a fuss about leaving, nor try to steal anything.

I have been with over 100 FB chicas, and only four have been a total disappointment. All four have been toward the bottom of the appearance scale. I think I have learned my lesson, no more ugly chicas.

In case there are more than one Giraldo Sara in Medellin on FB, she is the one with a lot of tattoos. Someone else's experience may be completely different, but I have a pretty good average of very good performance from Facebook chicas.

This is one time when pre-encounter negotiations would have been helpful, but I'd rather lose a little money than change what has been successful for me.

[QUOTE=Id481;2687299]Thank you for the outstanding tips. You are my teacher from miles away. I had an amazing 3 ways last night. I have fucked both girls separately before, and one of the girl happen to know each other and introduced me to the 3rd.[/QUOTE]Purrrrrfekt!

[QUOTE=Huacho;2687307][B]All this proves is most people suck at math. I did that in my head in three seconds. 6, 24, 120, 720, 5040, 40,320. A piece of cake.[/B][/QUOTE]Don Huacho, If, with a stopwatch on you, you can really complete a sequence of 7 multiplications, in three seconds flat (up to a 5 digit total), you indeed are a certified mental whiz and your self-congratulatory post is warranted. But even if so, you miss the point. It's not that most everyone "sucks at math" (though, sad to say, that may well be true). Pretty much anyone who mastered their multiplication tables in the third grade could calculate the right answer if given enough time—say 30 seconds or a minute. But 99% of the human race (with the exception of yourself, and perhaps a noble physicist or two), if only given 5 seconds (as in the Khaneman / Tversky experiment) would need to make a top-of-the head guesstimate rather than being able to complete the entire sequence of calculations. The research establishes as a fact that most any of us, if subjected to that tough time constraint, and presented with the sequence starting with the low numbers first, will make a lower guesstimate than if presented with the same sequence in the reverse order. Hence the name of Kahneman's book that popularized their research, "Thinking, Fast and Slow".

For the benefit of our brother BMs, apologies for the academic digression—and back to the noble pursuit of Paisa pussy.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2687135]Moonlight is a flake. She agreed to meet. When she didn't show, I texted to ask where she was. She claimed that she was in a taxi, but traffic was bad. About an hour later she claimed that traffic was so bad she had to turn back and could not come.[/QUOTE]How many times did she text you that she was "en caminar" or on the way?

If we assign flakiness a 1-10 scale, I would give her a four with ten being your mom's apple pie crust. Not trying to excuse her behavior, yeah she flaked. And I am not suggesting you should give her another chance. I am usually "one and done" in those situations. But she did give you a final call to tell you she was not coming and that is more than you will usually get.

But don't be too quick to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have eventually gotten together with chicas who flaked on me at first who turned out to be worth the flake, I mean worth the wait, jeje. And once they get to know you, if they like you, the flakiness disappears and your problem may transform into getting them to stay away or go home.

Zero tolerance is certainly a viable approach to flakiness, and I need to keep in mind, I am in it for the long game, not a one week visit to Medellin and those guys probably will want tighter time management.

But if your mindset is more tuned in with the culture, you might find yourself rewarded in the long run for eating your pie with a little bit more of a flaky crust. Off the top of my head, one of my perennial Top Ten girls Purrfekt Piel was a total flake in the beginning. But she would call and tell me that she wasn't coming and usually it was because she was working and going to school and just too tired by the time our appointment time came around in the evening.

Now? If you read my Top Ten she is the easiest girl on my List to be around. She is also my most requested chica from other guys here (I don't refer her unless I know you). She is on time, and if my schedule is open she will stay for 4-6 hours or more for her usual 1.5 hour rate. Most of our time is spent in comfortable silence and she will do anything sexually I request, hold any position, for however long I want and never complain, and she will come back for more. She is over 8 months pregnant now and she was obviously very uncomfortable when I was smashing her (I tried not to hit the soft spot in the kid's head with my schwanson) during my recent trip, but she was a real trooper with all hole access.

My Numero Dos chica, she still flakes and always will. She always shows up but usually two or more hours late. I simply plan accordingly and if she happens to arrive and there is another chica there, I introduce them and that becomes a future opportunity for a three-way.

Finally, remember these chicas probably get flaked on by gringos just as much if not more than we do. Most of these girls do not have the taxi fare one-way let alone round trip. If they show up and the gringo is no where to be found, they are not just inconvenienced, they are screwed. They have to either abandon the taxi, and hope the driver never finds them again, offer sex to the driver, or turn a quick trick with someone else to get the cash to pay taxi there and back home. Imagine that stress, if you can.

A common strategy is to tell the girls ahead of time if they are more than XX minutes late, then don't bother to come. That'll work but it creates tension before the session even starts, but I respect guys who need to manage their time like that.

On how you figure out which chicas you give a second chance and which ones you don't? I have no idea other than think what made you want to get with the chica in the first place, and compare that to the potential of other new girls who probably have the same risk of flakiness. You only need one good chica, and then you can start the "friends of friends" ball rolling and even during short visits to Medellin of a week, you should quickly have your hands full with more chicas than you can handle. Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687318]I contacted Giraldo Sara from Facebook Saturday to see if she was available. Being the day before Easter, I knew the pickings were slim. She agreed to come over Saturday night. She arrived a little late, but kept me informed. She is not attractive at all, but I was hoping her performance would make up for her looks. Big disappointment. A blow-up doll would have been better because it would have had a better attitude. She arrived and went straight to the bedroom and removed all her clothes. I didn't mind that because I was okay with a quickee. No foreplay, kissing with extra money (I refused). Then she wanted a condom for everything. When I tried to reason with her for oral without a condom, her only answer was "condom!". I quickly lost interest and paid her to leave. At least she didn't make a fuss about leaving, nor try to steal anything.

I have been with over 100 FB chicas, and only four have been a total disappointment. All four have been toward the bottom of the appearance scale. I think I have learned my lesson, no more ugly chicas.

In case there are more than one Giraldo Sara in Medellin on FB, she is the one with a lot of tattoos. Someone else's experience may be completely different, but I have a pretty good average of very good performance from Facebook chicas.

This is one time when pre-encounter negotiations would have been helpful, but I'd rather lose a little money than change what has been successful for me.[/QUOTE]I've made the same mistake, with different girls. At this point she has to be attractive enough that I'm okay with mediocre service, or she has to have some other appeal. I'm thinking of one with at best an average face, and an unknown body. It looks good, but she has no revealing photos. Maybe that's the appeal. She's not obviously selling it, although we have talked. We'll see.

[QUOTE=PappiRob;2686875]5) Once you have a Facebook page and are "friends" with a few Medellin women, Facebook itself will recommend more "friends". Send request to those you find attractive and are in Medellin. If you are FB Friends with another board member, you can peruse their friends list and send out friend requests, knowing that they are likely to better respond. Usually the women who have a picture of money in the the background, or devil horns on their profile pic are good bets for "working girls". Also the ones who have overtly sexual pics. But be careful, some are only selling pics / videos and aren't interested in meeting up. I would avoid the "OnlyFans" girls, as they seem to be only interested in subscribers. Start a conversation with them a few weeks before you are going to be there, and you'll be able to figure out pretty quickly who is interested in meeting up (also see #2 above).

6) After you have done all of the above, if you still have specific questions, politely ask the board. I have found that most board members are helpful (shout out to ASUDevil1 and Sargon76) if you show that you have done your homework and are still genuinely looking for more info.[/QUOTE]Has anyone successfully scored a girl who sells content?

My experience is that most of them are only interested in selling content other trying to get you to send them money beforehand which is a stupid idea.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687318]I have been with over 100 FB chicas, and only four have been a total disappointment. All four have been toward the bottom of the appearance scale. I think I have learned my lesson, no more ugly chicas.[/QUOTE]I have no experience with Fayboo chicas, and believe what your reporting.

But one would think that the "uglier" chicas perhaps should be better providers. Maybe it's because of the way Fayboo operates, with all the transactions / negotiations being arranged before meeting in person, hence once the deal is set, and the Chica shows up, it's difficult to abort the session without paying up. And I can see how some of the Fayboo Chicas when going with guys, just view it as a one time transaction, so could care less how it goes.

Again, I have no Fayboo experience, and maybe other board members here have encountered exactly the same thing as you, with the uglier Fayboo girls being the worst providers.

Contrary to this, I believe the opposite is true for the street scene, with the uglier girls being the better providers, and the dynamic as your aware is very different with everything face to face, and the uglier girls having to compete with the prettier ones on the street.

I agree with you about experiences with good looking girls vs not so good looking. I have found that the better looking ones offer better service for the same price or less.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687318]I contacted Giraldo Sara from Facebook Saturday to see if she was available. Being the day before Easter, I knew the pickings were slim. She agreed to come over Saturday night. She arrived a little late, but kept me informed. She is not attractive at all, but I was hoping her performance would make up for her looks. Big disappointment. A blow-up doll would have been better because it would have had a better attitude. She arrived and went straight to the bedroom and removed all her clothes. I didn't mind that because I was okay with a quickee. No foreplay, kissing with extra money (I refused). Then she wanted a condom for everything. When I tried to reason with her for oral without a condom, her only answer was "condom!". I quickly lost interest and paid her to leave. At least she didn't make a fuss about leaving, nor try to steal anything.

I have been with over 100 FB chicas, and only four have been a total disappointment. All four have been toward the bottom of the appearance scale. I think I have learned my lesson, no more ugly chicas.

In case there are more than one Giraldo Sara in Medellin on FB, she is the one with a lot of tattoos. Someone else's experience may be completely different, but I have a pretty good average of very good performance from Facebook chicas.

This is one time when pre-encounter negotiations would have been helpful, but I'd rather lose a little money than change what has been successful for me.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2687339]Don Huacho, If, with a stopwatch on you, you can really complete a sequence of 7 multiplications, in three seconds flat (up to a 5 digit total), you indeed are a certified mental whiz and your self-congratulatory post is warranted. [/QUOTE]But my brain definitely works in a particular direction and if you make me start with 7 instead of one, it will for sure take me longer. Maybe that's more to the point. Maybe somebody else will immediately start with 56 and do it faster that way. A particular monger's approach might be the best for him but not the best for someone else. I think pussy is a pretty unique product and also that mongers are a distinct subset of the population behaviorally. It's a tricky one to apply economic theory to. Years ago we had a long discussion of the 'elasticity of demand' for pussy. It was quite inconclusive. Also one vote for the importance of cultural factors and the latina mindset. What works for me in LatAm is not the best approach for me in SEA or Western Europe. My approach in LatAm is more take it or leave it, to establish dominance and control, which is what latinas mostly want. In Europe I am more pragmatic about negotiating price and services. In SEA I like to make the woman set her price first, to avoid the 'pay whatever you want' bullshit and subsequent potential drama.

BTW I was greatly aided because I know from rote memory that 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 is 24. Multiply anything by 5 is easy. Cut in half and add a zero. Then you're at 120 and 6 x 12 is 72 on the cards we had to memorize back in the day. Add a zero. Then 4900 plus 140 and really 5040 x 8 is simple if you don't fuck the zeros up. 40 then 32 plus a zero. Maybe it took me five seconds and not three. But in general, innumerate people tend to be poor negotiators.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2687414]I agree with you about experiences with good looking girls vs not so good looking. I have found that the better looking ones offer better service for the same price or less..[/QUOTE]I find that with Seeking girls, the cute, but more average looking girls tend to be cheaper, lower mileage, and better performers. The most beautiful Seeking girls tend to ask for silly amounts of money, and too many crazy gringos are overpaying them too often. The performance of the most beautiful girls also tends to drop off the second or third time. Whereas, the performance of more average girls tends to improve the second or third time. There is no point in dating ugly girls.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2687311]First time visiting Medellin with bare bones knowledge of Spanish. I am planning to stay in St Peters apartment in Laureles, will be arriving at airport around 10 AM on a Sunday.

Would you advise me to book a cab with an English speaking driver beforehand or should I take the official taxi? Any idea how much it should cost to go to Laureles from airport?

How about currency exchange. I don't mind exchanging a small amount at airport but wonder if there are any currency exchanges within walking distance of St Peter's apartment suites that would be open on Sunday noon?

Can the experienced ones please advise?[/QUOTE]I would consider booking ahead, one of those guys who holds up the sign with your name on it inside the airport. I think you pay ahead for those, too (I've done it, I just don't remember) and that would be you max convenience and ease, and they will also have your destination address ahead of time. This is also the most expensive option but the value is still worth it.

Or you can print the name and address of your destination address on a 3 x5 card or save it on your phone and show it to a yellow cab driver at the airport and they will put it in their phone GPS and get you there with the same result for around 100 mil COP +/- 20 mil COP ($21-$32 USD total) which is still an incredible value considering you will be taking a scenic taxi ride though the mountains that would cost you $75-$90 USD back here in the states.

If it were me, I would print the name and the address of St. Peters on a 3 x5 card and also write $100.000 COP (yes, with a period) or about $27 USD and you will have guys clamoring for your business at the airport. Actually, that's a lie if it were me I would be taking the bus but not for a first timer who doesn't speak Spanish.

At the airport, the last money exchange closest to the doors you go through after customs and before you get where the public (and taxi drivers) can wait for you inside the airport is a good place to exchange money. The other money exchange inside the airport charges more. Also, there are ATM's at the airport.

If you are asking about money exchange near your apartments then no offense, but you have not been reading this Forum. You will use an ATM and from where you are, walk along the main drag Avenida 70 back toward the metro station (South?) toward San Juan Blvid which is the closest major intersection, cross San Juan then cross Avenida 70, keep heading toward the metro station and after you go through one more stoplight you will see the Davienda ATM on your right.

If you walk past the Dorado 70 you went too far, but there is another ATM on the opposite side of the street further down. By now you are within a 12 minute walk of Jumbo with 4 or 5 different ATM's and a great place to shop but giving you directions to walk there from the Avenida 70 is a little tricky, unless you walk all the way down to the last intersection before the metro which is busy with a stoplight, turn right and head down that curved road for about 1/3 of a mile and Jumbo is on your right you can't miss it. During this walk from San Peter you will have walked past or near an Exito (grocery store) a D1 (a discount grocery store that sells more bulk) and a ton of little restaurants, bars, etc, drug stores. Good luck.

P.S. From the San Peter if you head the opposite direction down Avenida70 away from the metro there are even closer ATMs on the other side of the Avenue but I think they are BanColombia but whatever they were I remember avoiding them because of the lousy rates. But hey, when you need cash you need cash. Ostee Out and I hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2687311]First time visiting Medellin with bare bones knowledge of Spanish. I am planning to stay in St Peters apartment in Laureles, will be arriving at airport around 10 AM on a Sunday.

Would you advise me to book a cab with an English speaking driver beforehand or should I take the official taxi? Any idea how much it should cost to go to Laureles from airport?

How about currency exchange. I don't mind exchanging a small amount at airport but wonder if there are any currency exchanges within walking distance of St Peter's apartment suites that would be open on Sunday noon?

Can the experienced ones please advise?[/QUOTE]You can just take a regular taxi at the airport. 90-100 k to St Peters. Show him the address and it won't be an issue. If you're more comfortable with someone that speaks a bit of English, I've got a good guy if you want to DM me.

Also, there's a davienda bank / ATM about 4 blocks from St Peters on 70th that charges no fees. Just a $5 fee from your home branch or none depending on your bank. I've had taxis stop at specific ATMs on the way from the airport to avoid exchanging money at the airport.

Can't help with money exchange places cause I never used any. Always used Davienda or Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2687317]Very very nice, and if you call them charging 150 k per girl, girl friendly kadoos good you![/QUOTE]If you are happy to spend over $200 a night to be in the very nice Charlie (and probably way overpaying for chias too), why would you care about the $37 chica fee?

Personally, I am happy with much cheaper, but nice enough hotels, girls, and chica fees, if any.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2687317]Very very nice, and if you call them charging 150 k per girl, girl friendly kadoos good you![/QUOTE]If you are happy to spend over $200 a night to be in the very nice Charlie (and probably way overpaying for chias too), why would you care about the $37 chica fee?

Personally, I am happy with much cheaper, but nice enough hotels, girls, and chica fees, if any.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2687415]But in general, innumerate people tend to be poor negotiators.[/QUOTE]Good point and part of the reason is that they are thinking in US dollars and converting it to pesos (to offer) and then taking the peso counter-offer and trying to take it back into Dollars.

Right about the time they have it figured out and what they want to do. The girl has disappeared from their WhatsApp (or FB messenger). Why? Between the 'translator' and the higher mathematics the girl lost interest or received an offer from someone a little quicker and "poof" she was gone.

The parables here are:

1. Learn a little Spanish.

2. Learn the basic arithmetic of the country's currency.

[QUOTE=Sailor69;2687135]Moonlight is a flake. She agreed to meet. When she didn't show, I texted to ask where she was. She claimed that she was in a taxi, but traffic was bad. About an hour later she claimed that traffic was so bad she had to turn back and could not come.[/QUOTE]JjBee62 has recommended telling them 1/2 or 1 hour before you want them to show up. That works for most of them but what about the punctual ones? Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus. Meaning there are some that are very vigilant and will really show up on time or damn close to it. You may not be through eating or showering and it will be inconvenient if they show up early.

My suggestion. At least I've had some pretty good success with this technique. We agree on 200 + taxis (or whatever), then I tell her that if she arrives within 15 minutes of our appointment time she gets a 20 mil bonus. That is trivial to me (and almost everyone here) but it is a real motivator for many girls.

Sorry Sailor, I know you were talking about a flake situation, but I remembered I wanted to suggest something on improving timeliness and I had to get it written down before it evanesced from my aging brain.

[QUOTE=Taylor707;2687458]You can just take a regular taxi at the airport. 90-100 k to St Peters. Show him the address and it won't be an issue. If you're more comfortable with someone that speaks a bit of English, I've got a good guy if you want to DM me.

Also, there's a davienda bank / ATM about 4 blocks from St Peters on 70th that charges no fees. Just a $5 fee from your home branch or none depending on your bank. I've had taxis stop at specific ATMs on the way from the airport to avoid exchanging money at the airport.

Can't help with money exchange places cause I never used any. Always used Davienda or Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's.[/QUOTE]Contact José/ Joe or whomever you made your reservations with at San Peter and ask them to arrange a ride. Someone will wait for you with your name on a cardboard and driver will have a very nice and comfortable vehicle for same cost as taxi and knows where to go. The drivers are great guys too. Too easy and convenient especially for 1st timers. I use BBVA, no fees, for ATM and it's close too but only allows 300 mil withdrawal but you can do 2 or 3. Really don't need more unless you are a bigger spender.

[QUOTE=Taylor707;2687458]You can just take a regular taxi at the airport. 90-100 k to St Peters. Show him the address and it won't be an issue. If you're more comfortable with someone that speaks a bit of English, I've got a good guy if you want to DM me.

Also, there's a davienda bank / ATM about 4 blocks from St Peters on 70th that charges no fees. Just a $5 fee from your home branch or none depending on your bank. I've had taxis stop at specific ATMs on the way from the airport to avoid exchanging money at the airport.

Can't help with money exchange places cause I never used any. Always used Davienda or Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's.[/QUOTE]There is a Bcnco Colombia one corner away on LA 70.

Also another bank on LA 70 as you walk to LA 70 you will see a pharmacy next to it is another bank.

Hope this helps.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=Blurb123;2687411]Has anyone successfully scored a girl who sells content?

My experience is that most of them are only interested in selling content other trying to get you to send them money beforehand which is a stupid idea.[/QUOTE]Several of them. I'll be doing a few more next trip.

Most of the girls now selling content on Facebook were just selling pussy 2 years ago. Then the travel ban hit and there were no customers. So they started selling content or getting on TikTok or Bigo. Very few of them are selling enough to replace the P4 P income. If you let them know you're only interested in meeting and not buying videos, they'll either stop talking, or switch gears.

Many of the ones who only sell content, or require a deposit or purchase of content to set an appointment are guys selling some girls stuff.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2687450]I would consider booking ahead, one of those guys who holds up the sign with your name on it inside the airport. I think you pay ahead for those, too (I've done it, I just don't remember) and that would be you max convenience and ease, and they will also have your destination address ahead of time. This is also the most expensive option but the value is still worth it.

Or you can print the name and address of your destination address on a 3 x5 card or save it on your phone and show it to a yellow cab driver at the airport and they will put it in their phone GPS and get you there with the same result for around 100 mil COP +/- 20 mil COP ($21-$32 USD total) which is still an incredible value considering you will be taking a scenic taxi ride though the mountains that would cost you $75-$90 USD back here in the states.

If it were me, I would print the name and the address of St. Peters on a 3 x5 card and also write $100.000 COP (yes, with a period) or about $27 USD and you will have guys clamoring for your business at the airport. Actually, that's a lie if it were me I would be taking the bus but not for a first timer who doesn't speak Spanish.

At the airport, the last money exchange closest to the doors you go through after customs and before you get where the public (and taxi drivers) can wait for you inside the airport is a good place to exchange money. The other money exchange inside the airport charges more. Also, there are ATM's at the airport.

If you are asking about money exchange near your apartments then no offense, but you have not been reading this Forum. You will use an ATM and from where you are, walk along the main drag Avenida 70 back toward the metro station (South?) toward San Juan Blvid which is the closest major intersection, cross San Juan then cross Avenida 70, keep heading toward the metro station and after you go through one more stoplight you will see the Davienda ATM on your right..[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Taylor707;2687458]You can just take a regular taxi at the airport. 90-100 k to St Peters. Show him the address and it won't be an issue. If you're more comfortable with someone that speaks a bit of English, I've got a good guy if you want to DM me.

Also, there's a davienda bank / ATM about 4 blocks from St Peters on 70th that charges no fees. Just a $5 fee from your home branch or none depending on your bank. I've had taxis stop at specific ATMs on the way from the airport to avoid exchanging money at the airport.

Can't help with money exchange places cause I never used any. Always used Davienda or Scotiabank Colpatria ATM's.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2687485]Contact Jos/ Joe or whomever you made your reservations with at San Peter and ask them to arrange a ride. Someone will wait for you with your name on a cardboard and driver will have a very nice and comfortable vehicle for same cost as taxi and knows where to go. The drivers are great guys too. Too easy and convenient especially for 1st timers. I use BBVA, no fees, for ATM and it's close too but only allows 300 mil withdrawal but you can do 2 or 3. Really don't need more unless you are a bigger spender.[/QUOTE]You guys are awesome, Thanks for the excellent replies. Now I know what to do and don't feel intimidated.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2687413]I have no experience with Fayboo chicas, and believe what your reporting.

But one would think that the "uglier" chicas perhaps should be better providers. Maybe it's because of the way Fayboo operates, with all the transactions / negotiations being arranged before meeting in person, hence once the deal is set, and the Chica shows up, it's difficult to abort the session without paying up. And I can see how some of the Fayboo Chicas when going with guys, just view it as a one time transaction, so could care less how it goes.

Again, I have no Fayboo experience, and maybe other board members here have encountered exactly the same thing as you, with the uglier Fayboo girls being the worst providers.

Contrary to this, I believe the opposite is true for the street scene, with the uglier girls being the better providers, and the dynamic as your aware is very different with everything face to face, and the uglier girls having to compete with the prettier ones on the street.[/QUOTE]Why on earth would anyone go through all the hassles, airports, masks, shoes off, immigration lines etc. To go overseas to fuck ugly women? And not only does he invite over a woman he considers ugly but he doesn't vette her in the least, and thus is stuck with all condom and an upcharge for kissing. Well he (FunLuvr) warned us about her, so all you guys into ugly women, take heed! I hope he didn't have to pay her too much to leave, but probably did as he didn't disclose the amount.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2687483]JjBee62 has recommended telling them 1/2 or 1 hour before you want them to show up. That works for most of them but what about the punctual ones? Yes, Virginia there is a Santa Claus. Meaning there are some that are very vigilant and will really show up on time or damn close to it. You may not be through eating or showering and it will be inconvenient if they show up early.

My suggestion. At least I've had some pretty good success with this technique. We agree on 200 + taxis (or whatever), then I tell her that if she arrives within 15 minutes of our appointment time she gets a 20 mil bonus. That is trivial to me (and almost everyone here) but it is a real motivator for many girls.

Sorry Sailor, I know you were talking about a flake situation, but I remembered I wanted to suggest something on improving timeliness and I had to get it written down before it evanesced from my aging brain.[/QUOTE]100% success method for me is this: Tell them that you have plans at X time and if they don't arrive by Y time, you won't be able to see them. I do this whenever I need them to be on time and it has always worked.

OTOH if I'm not real-conscious, I just assume they'll be 30-60 minutes late.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687318]I contacted Giraldo Sara from Facebook Saturday to see if she was available. Being the day before Easter, I knew the pickings were slim. She agreed to come over Saturday night. She arrived a little late, but kept me informed. She is not attractive at all, but I was hoping her performance would make up for her looks. Big disappointment. A blow-up doll would have been better because it would have had a better attitude. She arrived and went straight to the bedroom and removed all her clothes. I didn't mind that because I was okay with a quickee. No foreplay, kissing with extra money (I refused). Then she wanted a condom for everything. When I tried to reason with her for oral without a condom, her only answer was "condom!". I quickly lost interest and paid her to leave. At least she didn't make a fuss about leaving, nor try to steal anything.

I have been with over 100 FB chicas, and only four have been a total disappointment. All four have been toward the bottom of the appearance scale. I think I have learned my lesson, no more ugly chicas.

In case there are more than one Giraldo Sara in Medellin on FB, she is the one with a lot of tattoos. Someone else's experience may be completely different, but I have a pretty good average of very good performance from Facebook chicas..[/QUOTE]I was with her about a year ago & had a pretty good time. I set the parameters of 200 k total with BBBJ & she agreed. She was a bit messed up on beer, rum & tussi but was a lot of fun. At times she tried to rush things but I laid down the law that I didn't care if someone was waiting for her, this was our date, it was my vacation, & we would take our time. I would not repeat with her but made the best of a tricky encounter.

[QUOTE=Combo;2687552]OTOH if I'm not real-conscious[/QUOTE]But is it really just as fun for you being semi-conscious? If it is, I'm impressed and I want some of what you're taking. Jeje.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2687483]My suggestion. At least I've had some pretty good success with this technique. We agree on 200 + taxis (or whatever), then I tell her that if she arrives within 15 minutes of our appointment time she gets a 20 mil bonus. That is trivial to me (and almost everyone here) but it is a real motivator for many girls.
[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Combo;2687552]100% success method for me is this: Tell them that you have plans at X time and if they don't arrive by Y time, you won't be able to see them. I do this whenever I need them to be on time and it has always worked.[/QUOTE]Carrot or the Stick my friend, Carrot or the Stick.

[QUOTE=Combo;2687552]100% success method for me is this: Tell them that you have plans at X time and if they don't arrive by Y time, you won't be able to see them. I do this whenever I need them to be on time and it has always worked.

OTOH if I'm not real-conscious, I just assume they'll be 30-60 minutes late.[/QUOTE]I like both of these ideas and I will use them.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2687533]Why on earth would anyone go through all the hassles, airports, masks, shoes off, immigration lines etc. To go overseas to fuck ugly women? And not only does he invite over a woman he considers ugly but he doesn't vette her in the least, and thus is stuck with all condom and an upcharge for kissing. Well he (FunLuvr) warned us about her, so all you guys into ugly women, take heed! I hope he didn't have to pay her too much to leave, but probably did as he didn't disclose the amount.[/QUOTE]I think perhaps your taking the term "ugly" to literally. I think what the poster was trying to convey was that the girl wasn't as pretty as the others which doesn't mean that she was ugly, just not as pretty.

So on the infamous scale of 1-10, perhaps she was a 5 or 6, versus a 2 or 3 if that makes any sense at all, as like you say," who would travel overseas to fuck ugly women."

[QUOTE=Plan77;2687520]You guys are awesome, Thanks for the excellent replies. Now I know what to do and don't feel intimidated.[/QUOTE]Some of the information provided by the first guy is a little misleading. Yellow cabs are not authorized to make pickups at the airport unless it is a pre-arranged pickup. Only the white cabs are authorized for random pickups. The rate is set by the government. Currently, I think it is 90,000 COP to anywhere in Medellin. That includes Poblado and Laureles. Cities outside Medellin, such as Envigado and Sabaneta, are a little more. There should be a sticker inside the windshield with the rates. The price includes the tolls. I have heard some drivers try to charge extra for the tolls. Confirm with the driver the price before you leave the airport.

When you exit the baggage claim area, there will be a group of guys asking if you want a taxi. Those are renegade drivers. Just shake your head no, or say "No, gracias", and keep walking. Just a few steps outside the baggage claim area, to the right is a doorway to the sidewalk. Walk out and there should be white taxis waiting. If not, look for someone walking around who looks like they could be a dispatcher and ask for a taxi. That person may be standing against the wall to the left after you exit through the doorway.

As for money exchanges, there are many are the Unicentro mall. It's within walking distance of San Peter; but having never been there, you should take a taxi. I don't know if any are open on Sunday.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687825]Some of the information provided by the first guy is a little misleading. Yellow cabs are not authorized to make pickups at the airport unless it is a pre-arranged pickup. Only the white cabs are authorized for random pickups. The rate is set by the government. Currently, I think it is 90,000 COP to anywhere in Medellin. That includes Poblado and Laureles. Cities outside Medellin, such as Envigado and Sabaneta, are a little more. There should be a sticker inside the windshield with the rates. The price includes the tolls. I have heard some drivers try to charge extra for the tolls. Confirm with the driver the price before you leave the airport.

When you exit the baggage claim area, there will be a group of guys asking if you want a taxi. Those are renegade drivers. Just shake your head no, or say "No, gracias", and keep walking. Just a few steps outside the baggage claim area, to the right is a doorway to the sidewalk. Walk out and there should be white taxis waiting. If not, look for someone walking around who looks like they could be a dispatcher and ask for a taxi. That person may be standing against the wall to the left after you exit through the doorway.[/QUOTE]Thank you so much for the detailed and very helpful information. Much obliged.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687825]Some of the information provided by the first guy is a little misleading. Yellow cabs are not authorized to make pickups at the airport unless it is a pre-arranged pickup. Only the white cabs are authorized for random pickups. The rate is set by the government. Currently, I think it is 90,000 COP to anywhere in Medellin. That includes Poblado and Laureles. Cities outside Medellin, such as Envigado and Sabaneta, are a little more. There should be a sticker inside the windshield with the rates. The price includes the tolls. I have heard some drivers try to charge extra for the tolls. Confirm with the driver the price before you leave the airport.

When you exit the baggage claim area, there will be a group of guys asking if you want a taxi. Those are renegade drivers. Just shake your head no, or say "No, gracias", and keep walking. Just a few steps outside the baggage claim area, to the right is a doorway to the sidewalk. Walk out and there should be white taxis waiting. If not, look for someone walking around who looks like they could be a dispatcher and ask for a taxi. That person may be standing against the wall to the left after you exit through the doorway.

As for money exchanges, there are many are the Unicentro mall. It's within walking distance of San Peter; but having never been there, you should take a taxi. I don't know if any are open on Sunday.[/QUOTE]Good advice, I always stick with the white taxis.

Invariably, the other drivers you mentioned will try to pull the tunnel toll extra stunt meaning it's extra, which I think is around 18,600 Pesos.

I told a friend of mine to take a white taxi once, and he didn't listen as an Uber driver intercepted him prior to getting to the white taxis, and he spent 100 K versus 80 K which was the fare at the time.

I berated him for doing this, telling him that for the 20 K additional he paid, that he could have gone with a street skank in Centro for that amount, which made sense to him. LOL.

[QUOTE=Combo;2687552]100% success method for me is this: Tell them that you have plans at X time and if they don't arrive by Y time, you won't be able to see them. I do this whenever I need them to be on time and it has always worked.

OTOH if I'm not real-conscious, I just assume they'll be 30-60 minutes late.[/QUOTE]Same here, I meet only Facebook, seeking and sweety that work in the mall (semi pro) they show up at the apt always 30-60 minutes late, so it's easy to plan, Only 1 girls that I repeat all the time, she is almost never late, but not common in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2687841]Thank you so much for the detailed and very helpful information. Much obliged.[/QUOTE]I think you have information overoad at this point jeje and can make an informed choice on your own.

My answers are based on actual experience. Anyone who has spent anytime in Colombia knows there is the official version which usually doesn't amount to a hill of frijoles and then there is the "real world" way of getting things done.

I have taken white, yellow, red, blue, green, black, and more "taxis" from the airport without a problem. The white ones get preferred access and for the others I walked over to the parking lot with these "renegade" drivers, LOL. Trust your instincts. One time I signed a waiver that said I was on a sightseeing tour for my ride to the airport, jajaj. There is more than one way to peel an onion.

Sounds like your best advice came from someone who also stayed at the Peter Principle who said they would send a vehicle out for you. Good luck and it is a good sign that so many people here are willing to help first-timers.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2687088]You can strike the deal ahead of time in detail down to the peso, or wait until the dirty deed is done and "give from your heart" as a lot these girls will put it. You can itemize and break it down into separate services, or lump it all into one end-of-the-session price.

If you want her back, and she is willing to return, then whatever you did, worked.

I am definitely into it for the long game, too. I am always one for "whatever works best" for each monger, but for the life of me, I cannot relate to doing a series of "one-and-done" with these chicas.

The sex, the relationship, the emotions, and the trust, almost always get better the more times I see a girl. And some of my best girls who are with me now, I got off to a very rocky start with in the beginning. I have no idea how I knew which ones to stick with and which ones to pass over. I also like bringing in a certain number of new girls to keep it fresh.

ROFL, Ramble On For Length, I've been there and been on a roll lately here. For the past six months it feels like I am compensating by substitution. When I am not in Medellin, I am substituting for a state of bliss I achieve almost exclusively there. And when I am in Medellin, I am substituting my regular girls for the recently elusive Catgirl, my Numero Uno Novia. As long as I am in Medellin, I am happy.[/QUOTE]I visit MED only for 1 week every time, but almost every 2 month, I have same 4 girls that repeat every time, they are my top, 1 is seeking, 2 are facebook, and 1 is law student that I met random, basic Spanish but learning fast since French is my primary language. Why the repeat? I treat them with respect, pay good money, keep contact when I'm home, and you know what? I get everything I want with these girls. I love it!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2683607]How many chicas are here today? 8 to 10. Sounds good. But Catch 22: all are reserved.

The maitre'd of sorts told me that the best time (on a typical day) to find chicas available for a first-time audition, would be around 1:30 to 2:00 PM. .[/QUOTE]I love this place and yes, every time I do, it seems like all the girls are reserved. Once I tried to make a reservation and he told me to contact him 30 minutes before, and then the girl was already done for the day.

Whats so amazing to me, is that the service there in my opinion, is better than all the other places around. Why he doesn't raise his prices, I don't know. Also, why other places don't get a wiff how how successful he is, and copy what he does, also I don't know.

Can't wait to get back!

Would love to learn more about the ropes, perhaps next time I can hang out with the maitre'd, which was a total spot-on name for the Papa-san. Cheers for the laugh!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2687825]Some of the information provided by the first guy is a little misleading. Yellow cabs are not authorized to make pickups at the airport unless it is a pre-arranged pickup. Only the white cabs are authorized for random pickups. The rate is set by the government. Currently, I think it is 90,000 COP to anywhere in Medellin. That includes Poblado and Laureles. Cities outside Medellin, such as Envigado and Sabaneta, are a little more. There should be a sticker inside the windshield with the rates. The price includes the tolls. I have heard some drivers try to charge extra for the tolls. Confirm with the driver the price before you leave the airport.
[/QUOTE]To add what has been said about the Airport Taxi, here is the official web site of the Airport White Taxis.

[URL]https://acoataxiaeropuerto.com.co/[/URL]

You can reserve a taxi to and from the Airport using their web site or contact them thru Whatsapp. You will receive a confirmation with the Name and plate number of the driver and the total cost. Using the reservation ahead of time will significantly reduce any security issues or overcharging.

So how are you spending your time here in between? I mean I'll do a lap and not see anyone that piques my interest. Maybe I'll even head over to Radual and see what's there. But on the earlier side, when chicas are still arriving, how do you kill time in-between?

Please save me from getting too much sun again. I guess the altitude and latitude makes the sun a bit stronger than I expected.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688109]So how are you spending your time here in between? [/QUOTE]I work, sometimes meet friends, sometimes I go shopping. There are lots of bargain shops around Centro.

But otherwise, MDE is really boring so my work saves my sanity.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688109]Question for Centro Regulars So how are you spending your time here in between? I mean I'll do a lap and not see anyone that piques my interest. Maybe I'll even head over to Radual and see what's there. But on the earlier side, when chicas are still arriving, how do you kill time in-between? [/QUOTE]Although I don't qualify as a Centro Regular (aka: rat], I do have a few suggestions.

1. There is an OK restaurant on the second floor of the commercial buildings at the SE corner of the plaza fronting the museum, as one enters the pedestrian street (in effect a continuation of Avenida Carabodo) from Calle 52 to Calle 51 and the Veracruz church. From the restaurant's windows one has a good view of the portion of the Plaza where most of the working girls hangout, and can keep tabs on when new arrivals appear that might merit checking out. I've only had a coffee there, but a friend who was with me had a quite good soup and OK Plata Fuerte.

2. Duck into the Canejitos club for a brew or a gatorade. To my surprise, I've found two of my regulars there in the late afternoon (around 4 PM); like you I've struck out spying any of those oft-claimed, reputed "Hidden Gems" when making the walking (stalking?) tour from Radual to Ground Zero to the church, and back via Carrera 53.

3. Have a coffee in the Centro Commercial Palacio Nacional--a handsome historic building, now a shopping mall including a large atrium.

Also, if you have a touristic bent, you can of course check out the museum itself (Museo de Anitioquia) in the main plaza (pre-pandemic it had a cafe; I'm not sure if it has reopened) or the Palacio de la Cultura Rafael Uribe. The modernistic EPM Library might also provide a waiting place. Or (last resort) go to confession in the main cathedral or La Iglesia de la Veracruz to atone for your sinful mongering ways.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688109]So how are you spending your time here in between? I mean I'll do a lap and not see anyone that piques my interest. Maybe I'll even head over to Radual and see what's there. But on the earlier side, when chicas are still arriving, how do you kill time in-between?

Please save me from getting too much sun again. I guess the altitude and latitude makes the sun a bit stronger than I expected.[/QUOTE]There's lots of guys that like to hang out in bars, or hang out and talk with other mongers. I personally don't do any of that, but the question you should be asking is "when is the best time to be in Centro" so that the odds of encountering something you like will be out.

Generally speaking, Sundays and into the middle of the week are slow, with the best times to be in Centro from around 4 PM until 6 PM Monday thru Saturday. I've posted about this before, there basically is a kind of shift change with the girls that arrive early getting out of dodge after it gets dark, and then you have other girls that show up late in the early afternoon and work until early in the evening say around 8-9 PM.

And there are some girls, primarily Venezuelans that work like from 9 AM until the early evening.

Prime time in Centro, the very best times to be there is on Fridays and Saturdays. There are girls that will show up only the weekends to make some money that aren't there during the week.

If your into just banging one girl while in Centro, and don't have morning wood, then the times I gave you should have the most girls out.

If you want to spend the day in Centro with the intent of doing at least two girls, maybe try a casa mid day, have some lunch, and then bang a Centro Chica.

Regardless of my advice, you need to have a lot of patience in Centro. The landscape relative to prettier girls can change momentarily of which you have no control over, so you need to be patient. There may be times when there's nothing to your liking, and times when there is more than enough. Patience required and good luck, hopefully this helps.

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2687926]I visit MED only for 1 week every time, but almost every 2 month, I have same 4 girls that repeat every time, they are my top, 1 is seeking, 2 are facebook, and 1 is law student that I met random, basic Spanish but learning fast since French is my primary language. Why the repeat? I treat them with respect, pay good money, keep contact when I'm home, and you know what? I get everything I want with these girls. I love it![/QUOTE]I try (and often fail) to not tell others how to monger, because it is is soooo personal and IMO most of the stuff we do behind closed doors does not readily transfer over to other mongerers.

But when you can build trust with a girl, when she walks in the room and you don't have to discuss any sexual gymnastics because you know each other's body's so well, when you can leave your cash, credit cards, and passport lying around because you know it is safe, when she brings you other hawt girls that are may be new to P4 P because she genuinely likes you and trusts you and knows these girls will be safe, when she makes sure you have her most current phone number even though it changes every other week, when you can sit around and joke and watch TV and eat and have almost (almost) as much fun as exploring her wet holes, when you don't have to discuss terms or price, when she never watches the clock, when she invites you to stay over at her place, and possibly meet her family, when she brings you little gifts and home cooked food that are clearly from the heart, when she lets you do things to her body that no one else will, well some guys call that unnecessary emotional entanglement but for me that is Heaven-On-Earth.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688109]So how are you spending your time here in between? I mean I'll do a lap and not see anyone that piques my interest. Maybe I'll even head over to Radual and see what's there. But on the earlier side, when chicas are still arriving, how do you kill time in-between?

Please save me from getting too much sun again. I guess the altitude and latitude makes the sun a bit stronger than I expected.[/QUOTE]Me I go do breakfast 1st at Versalles Restaurante & Pasteleria, Cra. 49 #53-39, (Junin Walking St), starts across from the S end of Parque Bolivar, if you see no tables they have a upstairs too. Right across the walking street is Centro artesanal mi Viejo Pueblo, Cra. 49 #53-20, a good place to browse for souvenirs, and I will walk down the walking street for a bit sight seeing. Late afternoon I start peeking in Conejitas strip club and Barra Ejectiva strip club also and also Yakusa, Carrera 50 a # 53-38 , those 3 I check thru out the night, Yakusa will let you take the girl to your place if it is super close which I advise as their rooms suck big time. I was across the street at the now closed Hotel Botero but I bet the Nutibara would work too. Yakusa is open crazy late too.

Two fun filled days for me so far and many lessons learned.

Day one was a lot of getting my bearings and loops. Way too much sun and sunscreen became a priority. I ended up with a Vennie that hangs out at the NW corner of Calle 51 and Carrea.

53.50 k for her and 17 k for the room. Gringo prices, I know. Got her Whatsapp. Might repeat. She has the one of the most amazing rears I've seen.

Day two was an adventure. Too much thinking with the little head. Saw an amazing rack on a woman near the church. She looked up just right with those eyes. That and she has a great set of tits just made the little head take over. I saw and ignored the dilated pupils, her cleavage just sucked me in. I noticed the track marks, damn her tits were top notch. We agreed to 50 k and off we went. Around the corner and to a hotel that was 10 k. Inside she wanted payment first. I tried to resist and should have walked but damn those tits. She sat on the bed and took off her panties. I took off my shirt and caught a glimpse of her tits as she started to raise her dress. Top notch. She then adjusted her dress to cover he midriff and and my big head finally took over. She refused to take to dress off and things went south. She tried to get me to take my pants off but I knew that would have just put me in an even worse position. A bit of back and forth and she headed out. Lesson learned. But those were absolutely the best tits I've ever seen and felt. If you're looking to avoid her, she's got a "Virginia" tattoo on her shoulder and an amazing rack.

I stopped into Conejitas to nurse a 10 k Gatorade. I missed out on my first choice and ended up with my second for the 80 k.

Many more days to come. Oh, and it rained a bunch both afternoons. Still fantastic weather.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2688187]I try (and often fail) to not tell others how to monger, because it is is soooo personal and IMO most of the stuff we do behind closed doors does not readily transfer over to other mongerers.

But when you can build trust with a girl, when she walks in the room and you don't have to discuss any sexual gymnastics because you know each other's body's so well, when you can leave your cash, credit cards, and passport lying around because you know it is safe, when she brings you other hawt girls that are may be new to P4 P because she genuinely likes you and trusts you and knows these girls will be safe, when she makes sure you have her most current phone number even though it changes every other week, when you can sit around and joke and watch TV and eat and have almost (almost) as much fun as exploring her wet holes, when you don't have to discuss terms or price, when she never watches the clock, when she invites you to stay over at her place, and possibly meet her family, when she brings you little gifts and home cooked food that are clearly from the heart, when she lets you do things to her body that no one else will, well some guys call that unnecessary emotional entanglement but for me that is Heaven-On-Earth.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Caboteur;2687926]I visit MED only for 1 week every time, but almost every 2 month, I have same 4 girls that repeat every time, they are my top, 1 is seeking, 2 are facebook, and 1 is law student that I met random, basic Spanish but learning fast since French is my primary language. Why the repeat? I treat them with respect, pay good money, keep contact when I'm home, and you know what? I get everything I want with these girls. I love it![/QUOTE]I agree with both of you 100% I also visit for a week to 10 days at a time. I have 8 girls that I see almost exclusively now. I only see new girls if they have friends that are hot and they want me to meet. I see all girls multiple times per visit and I get priority when I arrive to Medellin. I keep in touch with all of them between visits and they always clear their schedule when I'm in town. We no longer discus money at all and they never bring it up. Not even when they are bringing friends over for the first time. I give them what I want and I think is fair and all are happy to take it. I know others like to taste other flavors and that's fine, if I feel like trying something new they always have friends for me to meet. But I rarely do now because like Osteonot said, I get whatever I want with my girls. Want an overnight? You got it! I want pictures or videos? You got it! Want a threesome or larger group of girls to pay me a visit? You got it! It really is a whole new ballgame when you don't have to worry about the quality of women you are going to see in a trip. Its why I have stopped going to Mexico and Asia. Its way harder to keep this quality of service in other places, at least IMO. Not impossible, but way more work and money than its worth.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2688321]It really is a whole new ballgame when you don't have to worry about the quality of women you are going to see in a trip. Its why I have stopped going to Mexico and Asia. Its way harder to keep this quality of service in other places, at least IMO. Not impossible, but way more work and money than its worth.[/QUOTE]I can't put my finger exactly on what it is, but there is something about the Pay for Play culture in Medellin (possibly all of Colombia but 95% of my time has been in Medellin) that I have not experienced anywhere else in the world and I have been to more than a few places.

The culture of open sexuality without guilt is deeply ingrained and pervasive in Medellin. I have said many times, these chicas are on a continuum when it comes to Pay for Play. I honestly don't see them as putas and non-putas, sex workers and non-sex workers. Yes, of course there are hard-core full-time street-walking putas, but they are on one end of a Pay for Play continuum.

For example, on the other end of this continuum is a chica who I am getting ready to tag during my upcoming trip to Medellin. I have been fooling around with her for a year. Guys who follow me know who I am talking about. I call her Managerette. I am the second guy she's ever had sex with and she's not that young, I think mid-upper 20's. She was thinking about becoming a nun at one stage, she wears a crucifix and "prays" to solve her problems. She's only had sex in missionary position and she's never given a blowjob.

I used oral to give her the first orgasm of her life during my last week in Medellin when I was making the rounds and saying my goodbyes.

Villainy and my wingman are losing patience with me and keep telling me to seal the deal and fuck her in at least two holes, but I am in no rush. You can't go backwards in these situations, once it's done, it's done. And the friendship we have formed along the way is real. This is the ultimate in foreplay for me and a refreshing change of pace compared to all the slam-dunk sex I have in Medellin.

We first met when she was the manager at a hotel where I was staying. She saw a steady procession of girls coming and going from my room at all hours. She was polite but I could tell she thought I was bad news, a gringo monger who took advantage of the local girls.

I kept chatting her up and she started to show an interest in me the way someone would an exhibit at a science museum. I was an odd curiosity to her at first. I asked her out, several times.

At first it was a strong "No" which turned into an "as friends only", which morphed into a visit at her apartment where she and her mother dyed my hair and made dinner for me. She transported me on the back of her moto. I love being the passenger on a moto with a chica driver. I will mash their ass like it's a dying man's wish, jajaja.

After that, she came to see me three separate times at two different hotels to have sex. I offered her triple what I would normally pay, 600 mil COP, but she got cold feet and backed out each time. We continued to see each other.

I felt like I was back in high school, but in a fun way. I started by giving her a massage with her clothes on. Then for the encore I told her to be sure to wear clothes that were easy to remove and the next session I gave her a naked massage. That quickly progressed to both of us naked while I massaged her and mashed her with my dick without penetration and got foot jobs from her. Finally I added pussy licking.

I was having a blast. Then the very last time I saw her was her first orgasm and one of the wildest oral sessions I ever put on a girl. I wrote about her here [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2683383&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2683383.

When I return she has already told me she wants to fuck. I told her she will get 200 mil COP out the door because she blew her chance at the big payoff. She laughed and agreed with me.

If she were the only chica or one of few I was seeing regularly here then I could see how taking all this time might seem nuts to some of you guys, probably it still does. But at the same time I am seeing every kind of chica there is under the rainbow, from hardcore puta to girl next door, to girl with steady job, to student, and more. Not to mention the love of my life Catgirl, and we are both very comfortable with the openness in our relationship.

A continuum.

Like you said, it may be possible to recreate this kind of experience in other parts of the world, but not with this natural relaxed feeling, ease of access, and not at this great price.

Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688262]Two fun filled days for me so far and many lessons learned.

Day one was a lot of getting my bearings and loops. Way too much sun and sunscreen became a priority. I ended up with a Vennie that hangs out at the NW corner of Calle 51 and Carrea.

53.50 k for her and 17 k for the room. Gringo prices, I know. Got her Whatsapp. Might repeat. She has the one of the most amazing rears I've seen.

Day two was an adventure. Too much thinking with the little head. Saw an amazing rack on a woman near the church. She looked up just right with those eyes. That and she has a great set of tits just made the little head take over. I saw and ignored the dilated pupils, her cleavage just sucked me in. I noticed the track marks, damn her tits were top notch. We agreed to 50 k and off we went. Around the corner and to a hotel that was 10 k. Inside she wanted payment first. I tried to resist and should have walked but damn those tits. She sat on the bed and took off her panties. I took off my shirt and caught a glimpse of her tits as she started to raise her dress. Top notch. She then adjusted her dress to cover he midriff and and my big head finally took over. She refused to take to dress off and things went south. She tried to get me to take my pants off but I knew that would have just put me in an even worse position. A bit of back and forth and she headed out. Lesson learned. But those were absolutely the best tits I've ever seen and felt. If you're looking to avoid her, she's got a "Virginia" tattoo on her shoulder and an amazing rack..[/QUOTE]Even your last story with "lesson learned" sounded like there was a fun-factor to me, but I am strange like that, jjaja. Yeah, it rains, but that sun can be brutal at altitude. I know the locals don't wear sunglasses but you need them in Medellin for those harsh days so you don't do damage to your eyes. Nothing wrong with paying 50 thousand pesos, keeps it simple. Sometimes when I go out mongering I do everything in increments of fifty, jajajaja and I know other guys who do the same. 50 mil COP = $13.39 USD at the moment.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2687984]To add what has been said about the Airport Taxi, here is the official web site of the Airport White Taxis.

[URL]https://acoataxiaeropuerto.com.co/[/URL]

You can reserve a taxi to and from the Airport using their web site or contact them thru Whatsapp. You will receive a confirmation with the Name and plate number of the driver and the total cost. Using the reservation ahead of time will significantly reduce any security issues or overcharging.[/QUOTE]16 trips to Medellin and I never knew this before. Thanks!

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688262]
Day two was an adventure. [/QUOTE]Curious, what lesson did you learn?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2688566]Curious, what lesson did you learn?[/QUOTE]Listen to my gut (except when it's telling me to get more street food).

Avoid the hardcore drug users, especially when they're high.

Pay after (aside for the bars and casas?

Pretty much all the shit I read already, but ignored.

I also should mention that you shouldn't try winning once you put yourself in that bad situation. She was loud and verbally threatened me but didn't get to the point where she pulled her knife. I saw the folding knife in her bag, but don't think she knew that I saw it.

Versailles was nice. Decent cup of coffee. I also liked the mall and Junín passage Maracaibo. Funny story, I went into the mall next door thinking it was the one someone recommended. It was all sex shops and food stalls.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688582]I also should mention that you shouldn't try winning once you put yourself in that bad situation.[/QUOTE]Don't try to right the wrong in the middle of the wrong. Do whatever it takes to get out of the bad situation without escalating the situation. Pay more, make false promises, apologize when you're not wrong, whatever it takes to stay safe. Take lessons learned and apply it to future state, not while you're in the middle of the cluster fuck. Any extra amount of money you have to pay to get out of a situation will be much less, usually by a factor of ten or more, than what it will cost you later in money, energy, time, blood, etc. Don't argue on principle or what you believe is right or wrong. Put out the fire and move on. You are not in the United States. The US Constitution's Bill of Rights do not apply.

Thanks to Gabacho I had a blast in Medellin when I went during thanksgiving week 2021.

Had so much fun with botero girls that I just booked 12 days for this upcoming summer in late June.

Can't wait!

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2688321]...Its why I have stopped going to Mexico and Asia. Its way harder to keep this quality of service in other places, at least IMO. Not impossible, but way more work and money than its worth.[/QUOTE]First, nice report. I do the same thing. I tend to repeat a lot with my core girls, and sample a few new ones in each trip.

However, to compare this favorably to Asia is pushing it. First, you can do the same thing in Asia, and second I think Asia is on a whole different level than Colombia when it comes to mongering. Heck, even Brazil would give Colombia a run for its money.

Instead, I would recommend that each monger visit, if possible, every mongering destination worth visiting. Then the monger should decide on their own which place has the best quality of service. I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664] I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]But you also posted you cannot come from a blow job. I see a relationship here.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664]Instead, I would recommend that each monger visit, if possible, every mongering destination worth visiting. Then the monger should decide on their own which place has the best quality of service. I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]What percentage of mongers do you think have the resources or option or time to "visit every mongering destination worth visiting?" Yes, you wrote "if possible" but that doesn't let you off the hook.

Hmmm, for starters, SE Asia round trip ticket thousands of dollars and two days travel time with jet lag guaranteed. Chances of learning Thai or Japanese or Vietnamese or any other Asian language compared to Spanish?

Anywho, obviously to each his own but for those of you out there wondering, I've mongered on six continents, been laid on seven, and Colombia wins hands down, for me, jajajaja, maybe for you, too.

I've told more than one young monger starting out, "Sure, travel the world, find out for yourself, you'll end up back here."

On second thought, Colombia sucks. Everyone should go the SE Asia or the Philippines.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664]First, nice report. I do the same thing. I tend to repeat a lot with my core girls, and sample a few new ones in each trip.

However, to compare this favorably to Asia is pushing it. First, you can do the same thing in Asia, and second I think Asia is on a whole different level than Colombia when it comes to mongering. Heck, even Brazil would give Colombia a run for its money.

Instead, I would recommend that each monger visit, if possible, every mongering destination worth visiting. Then the monger should decide on their own which place has the best quality of service. I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]That's fair. I said not impossible but harder and not worth the effort in my opinion. It has nothing to do with the people as I have enjoyed my time in Asia, Europe and Mexico. In fact some of my best experiences have been in Ukraine, Germany and Vietnam. Its just that with the distance, time and money that needs to be spent to have the same close relationship that I have with my Colombian girls in other parts of the world would not be worth it to me as I can't visit as often as I do with Medellin.

Also Spanish is my first language and I'm Hispanic so I don't have the language issues I have in parts of the world where they speak little to no English. Also in Colombia like with Mexico I fit in better. When I take the girls out on the town we look like any other couple and not like a Gringo and a local girl. It may not seem like it matters but, to me it really doses. In Asian and Europe I'm clearly a foreigner and you get a looked at and treated like it, at least in my experience. I also feel the girls are way more comfortable going out in public, again that's just my experience.

I agree that everyone that has the time and money should visit other places to see what its like there. You never know what a place is really like until you go there yourself. For example, in my head Thailand was a dreamland and Vietnam and China were an afterthought. As it turned out, I had a much better time and had better sex in the latter two places. But that was my experience, someone else can have a completely different situation. So yes, believe everyone should visit other places to make up their own opinion on what works for them.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2688582]Versailles was nice. Decent cup of coffee. I also liked the mall and Junn passage Maracaibo. Funny story, I went into the mall next door thinking it was the one someone recommended. It was all sex shops and food stalls.[/QUOTE]Versailles also has menus in English if they didn't bring you one.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2688671]But you also posted you cannot come from a blow job. I see a relationship here.[/QUOTE]You are right, but I fail to see the relationship.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2688695]That's fair. I said not impossible but harder and not worth the effort in my opinion...[/QUOTE]With the additional info, I can see your point. I wish you presented some of your arguments in your earlier post.

BTW, Vietnam and Viet girls have been a pleasant surprise to me, much better than Chinese girls.

But don't get me wrong, I love traveling and mongering in Colombia. I speak decent Spanish and I like the fact that the trip does not take that long. Hence I end up visiting the far away places about once a year each, and I visit Colombia more often.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664]Instead, I would recommend that each monger visit, if possible, every mongering destination worth visiting. Then the monger should decide on their own whice has the best quality of service. I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]So if Colombia is not a premier mongering destination for you, which ones are?

Before the Pandemic I considered SE Asia as a premier mongering destination as well, and every year would spend a few months there, but since the Pandemic I think hands down Colombia has been the best.

Hopefully when the Pandemic is really in the rear view mirror and places in Thailand and the Philippines are back up to speed I will be returning.

Hey fellas,

I'm arriving next week on Wednesday and I'm going to stay for about 3 weeks.

If anyone is interested in meeting up, maybe drink a few beers, smoke some Ls, hitting up some casas. Just write me a message.

I'm relative new to mongering, but travelled a lot. Nevertheless my Spanish still sucks.

Benzeru.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664] I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]You will soon come to realise that you are not allowed to criticise Colombia here. You are not allowed to give your opinion unless it is a glowing one. And please don't mention the rain!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2688830]So if Colombia is not a premier mongering destination for you, which ones are?

Before the Pandemic I considered SE Asia as a premier mongering destination as well, and every year would spend a few months there, but since the Pandemic I think hands down Colombia has been the best.

Hopefully when the Pandemic is really in the rear view mirror and places in Thailand and the Philippines are back up to speed I will be returning.[/QUOTE]Deutschland SEA are top shelf premium.

The rest are just cheap (Well) knockoffs LOL at least IMO.

The fact BBFS + CIP is standard by default or at the very least easily attainable in SE Asia should settle this discussion.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2688685], I've mongered on six continents, been laid on seven, and Colombia wins hands down, for me, jajajaja, maybe for you, too.

I've told more than one young monger starting out, "Sure, travel the world, find out for yourself, you'll end up back here."

On second thought, Colombia sucks. Everyone should go the SE Asia or the Philippines.[/QUOTE]So this isn't a geography test, yet you mentioned seven continents.

So with Antarctica being one of them, was this continent that you got laid on, as it is not a mongering destination.

And if you did get laid there, where was the deed done.

[QUOTE=Sun08;2687984]To add what has been said about the Airport Taxi, here is the official web site of the Airport White Taxis.

[URL]https://acoataxiaeropuerto.com.co/[/URL]

You can reserve a taxi to and from the Airport using their web site or contact them thru Whatsapp. You will receive a confirmation with the Name and plate number of the driver and the total cost. Using the reservation ahead of time will significantly reduce any security issues or overcharging.[/QUOTE]Incredible, didn't knew it existed. Thank you.

[QUOTE=EgyMongerNew;2688919]The fact BBFS + CIP is standard by default or at the very least easily attainable in SE Asia should settle this discussion.[/QUOTE]How does wearing regular Clothing In Pool (CIP) settle this argument? Wearing CIP is no fun. All that material sticks to your skin when you get out of the pool.

This argument is never settled. Personal preference rules the day.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2688953]So this isn't a geography test, yet you mentioned seven continents.

So with Antarctica being one of them, was this continent that you got laid on, as it is not a mongering destination.

And if you did get laid there, where was the deed done.[/QUOTE]"Extreme Weather and Cold Blooded" [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2687123&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2687123.

Post #54003, last two paragraphs.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2688866]You will soon come to realise that you are not allowed to criticise Colombia here. You are not allowed to give your opinion unless it is a glowing one. And please don't mention the rain![/QUOTE]Yes, I realized my mistake, but I can't help it. When folks post about a can't miss place, I get annoyed. The perfect place is personal and is more likely different for different people.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2688830]So if Colombia is not a premier mongering destination for you, which ones are?...[/QUOTE]For me it is SEA, and Thailand in particular, despite the fact that I have had more mongering trips to Colombia than Thailand. That is mostly because Thailand is far away, and one has to cross several time zones. I also speak decent Spanish, and that makes a difference. My ability to speak Thai is nothing to speak off, despite several attempts at learning that language.

I started visiting SEA back in 2003, and Colombia in 2013. For many years now, I have been doing 3 trips per year to Colombia, vs 1, and sometimes 2 trips per year to SEA. I also enjoy visiting Brazil and German FKKs. I speak some Brazilian Portuguese, and English is widely spoken in Germany.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688736]You are right, but I fail to see the relationship.[/QUOTE]Because in my opinion, Colombianas are above average at oral but below average at fucking.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689023]Because in my opinion, Colombianas are above average at oral but below average at fucking.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the clarification, but I may dispute that. Possibly, the Colombian chicks I met were not interested in pleasing me that much. I can assure you that my Korean ATF gave me a superior BBBJ, and FS was even better. That is why she is an ATF (all time favorite).

You can check her pics here: [URL]https://asianeyecandy.ch/jazmin[/URL].

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2689018]Yes, I realized my mistake, but I can't help it. When folks post about a can't miss place, I get annoyed. The perfect place is personal and is more likely different for different people.[/QUOTE]Personal preference almost always rules the day when it comes to mongering.

But the difference is the local geography. Newsflash: You are on a Medellin board. There is and should be a pro-Medellin bias here. Doesn't mean it has to be everyone's first choice.

I always welcome counterpoints, but ask yourself, why does it annoy you if someone feels like a place shouldn't be missed? There are only two possible answers. Their choice does not agree with yours, or you don't believe people should have personal favorites. Both positions are obviously ridiculous and untenable.

I post almost exclusively on the Medellin section here and I don't think it's too far of a stretch for me to occasionally expect to find some like-minded mongers. I can't explain bashers or haters (not saying that's you) who state their viewpoint, but then continue to hang around and post negatively over and over about a place. Why don't they just go to the board for the place they say they like? Of course if a monger is in town visiting Medellin that is a logical reason to be here, regardless of their first choice. Some folks would have the common sense not to go overboard with the bashing in that scenario but they can and they do.

I have been very upfront that Medellin is my Heaven-On-Earth, Shangri-La, Shambala, Utopia, Nirvana, and Garden of Eden. Perhaps that rises to the level of an obsession for me from which I will never back down. I have enough insight to realize that probably does not hold true for even the people who choose Columbia as their favorite place.

For me, the planets all aligned, all the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up, and Medellin has definitely been a intensely positive, unique and personal experience that keeps getting better and better. I have met people who have mongered in more places that me but this is not my first rodeo. I've been in the game long enough to know that I don't have to keep looking any further to try and find a happier place.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2689028]Thanks for the clarification, but I may dispute that. Possibly, the Colombian chicks I met were not interested in pleasing me that much. I can assure you that my Korean ATF gave me a superior BBBJ, and FS was even better. That is why she is an ATF (all time favorite).

You can check her pics here: [URL]https://asianeyecandy.ch/jazmin[/URL].[/QUOTE]Cute woman. Probably a white GI father. I like Asians but I like Latinas more, possibly because I speak the language, but I don't really think that's why. Latinas are more hot blooded and emotional, which is both good and bad, but sexually is good. How much for that in CA? I'm guessing you could get fucked 20 times for that amount in MDE, and value equals quality divided by price per the great Michael Porter.

As in, I've only fucked maybe ten women as good looking as she is in her photos, but I've fucked hundreds of less good looking women. Ugly women need love too.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2688977]Incredible, didn't knew it existed. Thank you.[/QUOTE]How come I have never heard of one person using it? Sounds too good to be some sort of "best kept secret". Maybe this comment will bring a few testimonials. Would like to hear some.

Maybe I used the service and didn't know it. Twice I pre-booked the taxi on line at the same time as my hotel reservation for the guy with the little sign and my name on it. One was a white taxi but the other was not. One went smooth, the other did not, took us over thirty minutes to find each other but ended up fine. I can't remember which was which. If some guys try this service and it goes smoothly, let us know.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2688866]You will soon come to realise that you are not allowed to criticise Colombia here. You are not allowed to give your opinion unless it is a glowing one. And please don't mention the rain![/QUOTE]Criticism is normal, expected and generally accepted by everyone. Unfortunately, many people don't understand the difference between criticism and complaining needlessly about things which can't be changed, like the weather.

Climate and weather data for almost any place on the planet is readily available and easily accessible. If you're going to be spending a lot of time in one place, you should first figure out if you're compatible with the climate. Why spend your time in a place where you're miserable. Even if you're visiting for a few days, you should find out so you can bring the appropriate clothes.

The other type of complaining which won't be accepted is blame shifting. For example, whining about staying in a cheap place that didn't have air conditioning. If you wanted something but didn't choose a place which met your requirements, complain to the person who booked the room. Likewise, if you couldn't figure out how to find girls, it's not Medellin's fault.

Here are some examples of reasonable criticism:

1. The food is bland. Depending on where you're from this is true.

2. The service in restaurants is terrible. This isn't true, but most North Americans are expecting a different type of service. In most restaurants a waiter will only approach your table to bring a menu or to bring your food. If you want to order, if you want another beer, if you want some salt, or you want your check, you need to flag down your waiter.

3. The girls showed up late Yep. That's part of the culture. Read the forum for ways to overcome this issue.

Here are examples of complaints which won't be accepted:

1. The days are too short. The days are practically the same length year round. Making them longer isn't an option.

2. All the women are fat, and ugly. Finding beautiful women in Medellin is about as easy as finding water in the ocean. Either you have unreasonable expectations, or you're blind.

3. It's too expensive. I can't think of a response to that one.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2689004]How does wearing regular Clothing In Pool (CIP) settle this argument? Wearing CIP is no fun. All that material sticks to your skin when you get out of the pool.

This argument is never settled. Personal preference rules the day.[/QUOTE]Although CIP is not listed in the abbreviations guide of the forum, you and other should know that it stands for Cum in Pussy.

For bareback fuckers, SEA and East Africa is a much better destination for that. Many women do not even ask for a condom and enjoy natural sex like we do.

In Latin America, the condom is mostly standard and a huge turnoff when ladies use it even for a blowjob. Sometimes the condom doesn't fit or feels cheap like plastic.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2688664]........Instead, I would recommend that each monger visit, if possible, every mongering destination worth visiting. Then the monger should decide on their own which place has the best quality of service. I can tell you that for me, the premier mongering destination is not Colombia.[/QUOTE]I think it depends on individual taste. I have been to every major mongering destination on the planet and the best country for mongering IMHO is Germany. Nothing beats being in a club and being surrounded by over a hundred hot naked girls.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689224]I think it depends on individual taste. I have been to every major mongering destination on the planet and the best country for mongering IMHO is Germany. Nothing beats being in a club and being surrounded by over a hundred hot naked girls.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Indonesia and Malaysia? These are major mongering destinations I have not been to and ultimately will never visit. It's because I'm just not into Asian women so much. But no way could I pass up on Thailand and the Philippines! Been there, done that. I also have not been to the Dominican Republic, but there's still a chance for that happening down the road.

[QUOTE=TrustNo;2689158]Although CIP is not listed in the abbreviations guide of the forum, you and other should know that it stands for Cum in Pussy.

For bareback fuckers, SEA and East Africa is a much better destination for that. Many women do not even ask for a condom and enjoy natural sex like we do.

In Latin America, the condom is mostly standard and a huge turnoff when ladies use it even for a blowjob. Sometimes the condom doesn't fit or feels cheap like plastic.[/QUOTE]Thank you for pointing out that the acronym that was used that was not listed on the abbreviation page here. Also, in general it is considered poor writing to use any acronym without listing the meaning the first time it is used. But I accept guys here like using them for the sense of camaraderie and the "boys club" feeling it implies, so I have never mentioned it until now.

There is a huge assumption built into the standard that all mongers prefer bareback sex. Believe it or not, some guys would not dream of having unprotected sex (there is a reason for that term) with a sex worker, which is an obvious risk factor for all kinds of little transmittable critters, not to mention pregnancy.

I have not had a problem getting Colombian girls to give bareback blowjobs, often without an upcharge. They are very sensitive about not wanting other chicas to know that they will do it. I usually just act like it is an automatic assumption that they will give the bareback blowjob and at least 50% of the new girls go with the flow. Add an upcharge of 50 mil COP (13 bucks) and now you are up to 90% bareback BJ. Finally, just like any sexual expertise, I've had girls who could give blowjobs with a condom that felt better than the bareback BJ from other chicas. So there are a lot of moving parts, pun intended.

I do both, with and without a rubber, depending on the chica and how long I have known her, and my real-time exam, visual and sniff. Probably 75+% of the time I am bareback because I am with top chicas from my List.

I am a huge proponent of bringing quality condoms with me from the USA and there is a huge difference between the best condoms and the worst condoms. I have had someone call bullshit on me before for saying this but with Trojans best ultra-sensitive condom with KY jelly on the inside as well as the outside, once thing get heated up with a little friction, sometimes I cannot tell that I am wearing a condom.

Seem like no matter how many condoms I bring with me, I always run out. I end up giving too many away, jaja. What can you do except Keep On Keepin' On? Thanks for the feedback.

Day 3 I spent much of the day in El Centro. I saw my "friend" hanging out but didn't engage. Many loops and a fair amount of shopping and I didn't find anything that appealed to me. I had a nice Empanada Argentinian from Versailles. Eventually at around 4:30 I headed into Grill Nueva Avenida. Maybe 25 chicas there, a wide body range but mostly petite natural types. Nothing outstanding so after finishing my drink I did another few laps of El Centro with no luck.

I popped into Conejitas next. Many fewer chicas there, around 10, mostly interested in their phones. Not one dance in a Colombian sidles into the seat next to mine and starts talking. My Spidey-senses go off of course. But the guy just talks on and on in Spanish. Over the course of three beers, I get his life story of how he's working in town and flies out in the morning. He's really into music and shows me some of the gear he carries around with me. He has one daughter but isn't married. He doesn't ask for anything and even offers me a "regalo amiga", a small silver chain. I try to decline it as politely as I can and then he heads out.

I hadn't seen anything to great before then but right after he goes a voluptuous MILF type walks by. I'm a bit too eager as I approach and we go to head up. I'm a bit surprised at the cost of 120 k. I'm guessing 20 or 30 for the room and the rest to her. She asks to buy wipes too and that's another 6 k. It was still a fantastic session and to my surprise she was lactating, a first for me.

Heading out in the dark after 7 PM and people are really clearing out. I make a quick half pass by the church but not much is out. The walk to San Antonio station is also interesting. A tenth the people that were there 22 hours earlier. I do get aggressively approached by a trannie by Berro Station which was a shame because her friend was cute. The trains are less jam packed which is nice. I wish I could say it didn't rain, but started pouring after dinner.

Day 4 was another day in El Centro. Nothing notable early but I enjoyed a Empanada Chilean in the park, Versailles was too crowded both downstairs and up. It's interesting seeing the regulars, including the buskers. As a first, I actually saw a tourist win that Guinea pig hole game. I've started a game of my own, figuring out how which of the crowd in the shell game are actually in on it (I counted six at one point). I finally visited the Museum and enjoyed it.

I found a Vennie that interested me right by the church. 30 k +10 k for the room right there. I suppose that's another red flag from my disasterous encounter from before, going to a short time place a long ways away. In any case, the session was okay. No BJ skills but a nice body. Her "familia" tattoo on her back was quite apt as she got a call from her sister while I was in her. I popped into Conejitas and again 15 or so women with plenty of silicone to go around. I'm a little disappointed I didn't see my "first" choice from my first visit, a taller blonde with a natural body that spoke a bit of English. It felt dead in there so after my drink I did another lap and then went into Grille Nueva Avenida. 25 plus women and livelier. One sat next to me and we talked. She insisted on using a translator app which was a first for me. Not really my type but I found the slow conversation interesting. I bought her a couple of drinks and she laughed at my jokes. I noticed the acrylic square the server passed her and apparently for each 7 k beer you buy them, they get a 2 k kickback. I was having fun so we went in back. 100 k (80 k goes to her and 20 k to the bar). A meh session because while I enjoyed her company, the space back there is horrendous. That was actually her first comment back there, how ugly it was. I'm sure there are jail cells nicer. Funny enough, she's also a Vennie with a tattoo on her back that says "familia".

The walk out at 8:30 pm was interesting. I did another half lap and saw the remnants out there. Fewer people and gates all pulled down It's kinda pretty then and I actually took a quick photo of the church and some local teens hang out in front of it. The walk to San Antonio station was even more desolate. Never felt in danger but it was odd seeing so few out there. Annoyingly the train was still packed that Friday a bit before 9 PM.

On an up note, yesterday was the first day it didn't rain until after I was already in bed. As a random side note, Empanadas Argentinian are the superior type with its flakey crust.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2689235]Have you been to Indonesia and Malaysia? These are major mongering destinations I have not been to and ultimately will never visit. It's because I'm just not into Asian women so much. But no way could I pass up on Thailand and the Philippines! Been there, done that. I also have not been to the Dominican Republic, but there's still a chance for that happening down the road.[/QUOTE]They would be 2nd tier at best, and I wouldn't call either a "major" destination for this hobby.

According to my research in no particular order top 3 Globally, Thailand PI Deutschland.

Maybe 2 runner ups? I haven't seen either but hear many great things.

Brasil and Espana.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689224]I think it depends on individual taste. I have been to every major mongering destination on the planet and the best country for mongering IMHO is Germany. Nothing beats being in a club and being surrounded by over a hundred hot naked girls.[/QUOTE]But I would love to see a list of "every major mongering destination". I guess one could just look at the Front Page here, but I would say that is too many places. Maybe a "Top Ten"? Listed by country? Or city? I don't know how.

I will start the ball rolling with a place we have all heard of, Colombia. You would be the most logical person to respond since you said you have been to them all. Please list all the major mongering destinations. I am genuinely curious. Then guys can fill in any perceived gaps. You know not everyone will agree, no one does here about anything.

Colombia, and you said Germany (Heeey, I've been to both, what do you know? Jeje).

Thanking you in advance.

Asti.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689031]...Latinas are more hot blooded and emotional, which is both good and bad, but sexually is good...[/QUOTE]Yes, I bet, but Asian chicks can surprise you on that side, as it is not expected and they can blow up quickly. Then the relationship is over after that. Time to start looking for a replacement.

I pissed off one of my favs when I was last in Medellin. Curious to see whether she is still holding a grudge against me.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689031]... How much for that in CA? I'm guessing you could get fucked 20 times for that amount in MDE...[/QUOTE]Haha, You are right, but probably not 20 times but much less than that.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2689336]Haha, You are right, but probably not 20 times but much less than that.[/QUOTE]Really? I double checked off current exchange rates. El Centro rates of 30 k +10 k room is the equivalent of $10.60 according to XE right now. Under $200 would be a bargain in San Jose, no?

The first time I had sex for money in Colombia it worked out to about four dollars. That was in MCMLXXVII. The woman took me out of the back door of the bar and grabbed a blanket on the way out. I figured we were going to a room. No. We walked ten feet out the door, she threw the blanket on the ground and we fucked. That was in Leticia. I had just come from a stint working in Reno NV and fucking women from Thailand and elsewhere at the famed Mustang Ranch for ten dollars, and you could come twice. Plus we had a bus that took us to Mustang and we could drink on the bus, dollar beers if you were a casino employee. That was actually some good cheap pussy in the Yew Ess, at the Mustang back in those years. Isn't Conejitas the place where you have to duck down under some obstacle to get to the rooms? I'm not that limber any more.

So how much was the hooker in SJC Lefeu? I can still get good quality hookers for $60-$70 US in SJO but have not been near SJC in many years.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689224]I think it depends on individual taste. I have been to every major mongering destination on the planet and the best country for mongering IMHO is Germany. Nothing beats being in a club and being surrounded by over a hundred hot naked girls.[/QUOTE]Really? Germany? Can ypu please tell us where exactly in Germany? How much were the proces? How were the girl's attitude / performance? Much appreciated 🙏.

[QUOTE=Sammytheman;2689389]Really? Germany? Can ypu please tell us where exactly in Germany? How much were the proces? How were the girl's attitude / performance? Much appreciated 🙏.[/QUOTE]Look in the Germany section. Don't expect a repeat of all of that in the Medellin forum.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2689235]Have you been to Indonesia and Malaysia? These are major mongering destinations I have not been to and ultimately will never visit. It's because I'm just not into Asian women so much. But no way could I pass up on Thailand and the Philippines! Been there, done that. I also have not been to the Dominican Republic, but there's still a chance for that happening down the road.[/QUOTE]I have been to all the countries you mentioned. I really liked Malioboro club in Indonesia, they have a greater variety than FKKs but I know you like the blue eyed blondes so I'm guessing you'd prefer FKKs. Also most of the girls are not naked. I did not enjoy Malaysia all that much. Thailand and the Philippines are serious mongering destinations and I do like Asian girls but they do not offer the level of heavenliness to be found in FKKs. I have made many visits to the DR because I do like the brown Latinas as well but I don't know whether that would interest you.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2689322]But I would love to see a list of "every major mongering destination". I guess one could just look at the Front Page here, but I would say that is too many places. Maybe a "Top Ten"? Listed by country? Or city? I don't know how.

I will start the ball rolling with a place we have all heard of, Colombia. You would be the most logical person to respond since you said you have been to them all. Please list all the major mongering destinations. I am genuinely curious. Then guys can fill in any perceived gaps. You know not everyone will agree, no one does here about anything.

Colombia, and you said Germany (Heeey, I've been to both, what do you know? Jeje).

Thanking you in advance.

Asti.[/QUOTE]The following are my top ten:

1. Germany.

2. Thailand.

3. Brazil.

4. Colombia.

5. The Philippines.

6. Mexico.

7. Indonesia.

8. The Dominican Republic.

9. Costa Rica.

10. Panama.

Ten years ago I would have knocked off the DR, CR and Panama and put Argentina, China and Singapore where I have had very good experiences but unfortunately those 3 countries have successfully cracked down on our favorite hobby.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689523]The following are my top ten:

1. Germany, 2. Thailand, 3. Brazil, 4. Colombia, 5. The Philippines, 6. Mexico, 7. Indonesia, 8. The Dominican Republic, 9. Costa Rica, 10. Panama[/QUOTE]Very interesting and cool stuff.

If price is not a factor:

1) Spain.

2) Costa Rica.

3) Slovak Republic.

4) Paraguay.

5) Thailand.

If price is a factor:

1) Paraguay.

2) Colombia.

3) Thailand.

4) Spain.

5) Costa Rica.

Paraguay, of course, is in the middle of nowhere and has little to recommend it other than a saturation of very good looking hookers. The Guaraní are quite tall for an indigenous people, and the Germans and Irish have mixed in so you have tall (ish) green eyed beauties there. BTW I can't speak to the prostitution in the area but in Argentina you have three cities, Rawson, Trelew and Puerto Madryn, that have similar mixtures, albeit with Welsh and Irish more so than German. Really, really beautiful women in those cities.

Paraguay has some clubs but the scene is primarily apartments aka 'privados. ' Prices are clearly posted, typically in ten minute increments with a 20 minute minimum and significant economies of scale. And there will be a large, old fashioned round elementary school type clock on the wall right by the price list. Slovak Republic, meaning Bratislava in my case, has some really good escorts but also a lot of schemers and scammers.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2689364]Really? I double checked off current exchange rates. El Centro rates of 30 k +10 k room is the equivalent of $10.60 according to XE right now. Under $200 would be a bargain in San Jose, no?[/QUOTE]I'm wondering what kind of dog you get to fuck in what kind of shithole for $10.60?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2689551]I'm wondering what kind of dog you get to fuck in what kind of shithole for $10.60?[/QUOTE]You would be surprised what you can get for 30 K in Centro. The locals pay 30 K, and if you speak some Spanish, you can do better than the "dogs" meaning the fat and ugly ones in Centro as they typically will go for less than 30 K, which may sound hard to believe but is true. As far as shitholes to fuck in, yes most places are shitholes, but if you pay between 15 K and 18 K for a room, you will have hot water, clean sheets, and two towels.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2689551]I'm wondering what kind of dog you get to fuck in what kind of shithole for $10.60?[/QUOTE]Plenty of dogs in El Centro but plenty of good looking women too, for those with the time and energy for the sifting process. Especially the [I]sacaleras[/I] ja ja. There isn't any kind of linear relationship between price and quality in LatAm. It's true the 10 k accommodations can be marginal. But don't knock it if you (obviously) haven't tried it.

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[QUOTE=Benzeru;2688831]Hey fellas,

I'm arriving next week on Wednesday and I'm going to stay for about 3 weeks.

If anyone is interested in meeting up, maybe drink a few beers, smoke some Ls, hitting up some casas. Just write me a message.

I'm relative new to mongering, but travelled a lot. Nevertheless my Spanish still sucks.

Benzeru.[/QUOTE]Strength in numbers. Dying to see them Girls there with that accent. [blue][Telephone Number deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2689295]They would be 2nd tier at best, and I wouldn't call either a "major" destination for this hobby.

According to my research in no particular order top 3 Globally, Thailand PI Deutschland.

Maybe 2 runner ups? I haven't seen either but hear many great things.

Brasil and Espana.[/QUOTE]I went in partly by activity and interest you see on this site. For example, have you seen the massive amount of posting that goes on in the Indonesia section? That would seem to make it a top tier Asian mongering destination if you ask me. And check out the destination hotlinks on the front page of the site. Of all of the countries in the world, just 16 are listed there, to include Indonesia and Malaysia. Tells me Jackson must have been onto something. By the way, out of that 16 I have been to 12: Argentina; Brazil; Czech Republic; China; Colombia; Costa Rica; Germany; Philippines; Thailand; Tijuana; Russia; Dubai. Not bad! I have been to Spain and Switzerland too. Both deserve a spot on the short list of Permanent Monger Member Nations too IMHO.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2689551]I'm wondering what kind of dog you get to fuck in what kind of shithole for $10.60?[/QUOTE]It's a numbers game. I've spent last night in the Lleras Park area (and I say area because it's entirely tore up, barricaded, and under construction). I'd put the top 2% of El Centro as more attractive than the bottom 60% of those outside in Lleras Park. Clearly they're better dressed in LP but I'm more interested it them when the clothes are off. Of course the top 10% of LP is leagues above anything you'll find in El Centro.

So with time and luck, not a dog at all. Even more true if you can pay 80% more without hesitation (and still be under $20 USD at today's rates.

Costa Rica? Seriously. Maybe years ago. But I do not find most ticas to be naturally attractive, unlike Colombianas. The best ones you find in CR seems to be imports from Colombia, Venezuela, and Nicarauga. But to each his own. I quit going to CR for mongering long ago.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689550]If price is not a factor:

1) Spain.

2) Costa Rica.

3) Slovak Republic.

4) Paraguay.

5) Thailand.

If price is a factor:

1) Paraguay.

2) Colombia.

3) Thailand.

4) Spain.

5) Costa Rica.

Paraguay, of course, is in the middle of nowhere and has little to recommend it other than a saturation of very good looking hookers. The Guaran are quite tall for an indigenous people, and the Germans and Irish have mixed in so you have tall (ish) green eyed beauties there. BTW I can't speak to the prostitution in the area but in Argentina you have three cities, Rawson, Trelew and Puerto Madryn, that have similar mixtures, albeit with Welsh and Irish more so than German. Really, really beautiful women in those cities.

Paraguay has some clubs but the scene is primarily apartments aka 'privados. ' Prices are clearly posted, typically in ten minute increments with a 20 minute minimum and significant economies of scale. And there will be a large, old fashioned round elementary school type clock on the wall right by the price list. Slovak Republic, meaning Bratislava in my case, has some really good escorts but also a lot of schemers and scammers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2689322]But I would love to see a list of "every major mongering destination". I guess one could just look at the Front Page here, but I would say that is too many places. Maybe a "Top Ten"? Listed by country? Or city? I don't know how..[/QUOTE]1. Argentina.

2. Mexico. CDMX.

3. Austria / Germany.

Of the 6 odd countries I have been, these clearly stood out.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2689616]Costa Rica? Seriously. Maybe years ago. But I do not find most ticas to be naturally attractive, unlike Colombianas. The best ones you find in CR seems to be imports from Colombia, Venezuela, and Nicarauga. But to each his own. I quit going to CR for mongering long ago.[/QUOTE]I can remember about 15 years ago going to San Jose and would stay at the Hotel Presidente and pull Chicas from the Hotel Del Rey.

After the experiences I had with the Colombians over a two year period in Costa Rica, I decided to go to the source, being Colombia, and have never returned since just like you.

Costa Rica had it's heyday many years ago as a premier mongering destination, but no longer in my book.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689578]Plenty of dogs in El Centro but plenty of good looking women too, for those with the time and energy for the sifting process. Especially the [I]sacaleras[/I] ja ja. There isn't any kind of linear relationship between price and quality in LatAm. It's true the 10 k accommodations can be marginal. But don't knock it if you (obviously) haven't tried it.[/QUOTE]I remember about five years ago when all the Sacaleras would be lined up alongside the Museum in the walkway to the back street. This was before there were any Venezuelans working in Centro.

And there were some hot ones, typically very thin, and literally willing to do anything because they were so spaced out like zombies.

Nowadays there's no fixed location where they all congregate like before.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2689621]1. Argentina.

2. Mexico. CDMX.

3. Austria / Germany.

Of the 6 odd countries I have been, these clearly stood out.[/QUOTE]Argentina? I was there just before the Pandemic and found it to be terrible for mongering. Not that there weren't pretty women there, but there had been a lot of crackdowns and closure of venues. Perhaps you were there many years ago before things changed.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2689551]I'm wondering what kind of dog you get to fuck in what kind of shithole for $10.60?[/QUOTE]LOL, They are Only Hot if you Pay $200+.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2689616]Costa Rica? Seriously. Maybe years ago. But I do not find most ticas to be naturally attractive, unlike Colombianas. The best ones you find in CR seems to be imports from Colombia, Venezuela, and Nicarauga. But to each his own. I quit going to CR for mongering long ago.[/QUOTE]Virtually all the women I see in Costa Rica are from Nicaragua. I personally do not run into many Colombians or vennies there.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2689597]This kind:[/QUOTE]I see someone else tried a trans too. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689523]The following are my top ten:

1. Germany.

2. Thailand.

3. Brazil.

4. Colombia.

5. The Philippines.

6. Mexico.[/QUOTE]1 Thailand.

2 PI.

3 Deutschland.

4 USA.

5 Mexico.

6 Colombia.

7 Canada.

8 Russia.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2689588]I went in partly by activity and interest you see on this site. For example, have you seen the massive amount of posting that goes on in the Indonesia section? That would seem to make it a top tier Asian mongering destination if you ask me. And check out the destination hotlinks on the front page of the site. Of all of the countries in the world, just 16 are listed there, to include Indonesia and Malaysia. Tells me Jackson must have been onto something. By the way, out of that 16 I have been to 12: Argentina; Brazil; Czech Republic; China; Colombia; Costa Rica; Germany; Philippines; Thailand; Tijuana; Russia; Dubai. Not bad! I have been to Spain and Switzerland too. Both deserve a spot on the short list of Permanent Monger Member Nations too IMHO.[/QUOTE]IMO just referring to that quick list is just being lazy.

I hear nothing but really bad things about most countries on that list (and ID love to hear how old that list is LMAO).

How many tiers do you think there should be for the list LOL (not even all countries I like are equally good).

Also notice how nobody labeled that list? Its not called the best of.

I just made a list, give us your top 10.

Lastly I'm sure I could get better putas in the USA than in at least 75% of the countries on that list.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2689622]I can remember about 15 years ago going to San Jose and would stay at the Hotel Presidente and pull Chicas from the Hotel Del Rey.

After the experiences I had with the Colombians over a two year period in Costa Rica, I decided to go to the source, being Colombia, and have never returned since just like you.

Costa Rica had it's heyday many years ago as a premier mongering destination, but no longer in my book.[/QUOTE]Hotel Presidente was the shit when was girl friendly, your statements are spot on, exactly what I've done, I see no reason to even go their but continue to have friends still going all the time, I don't get it but to each their own, I've also had some amazing times there 15-20 years ago, Del Ray was like stepping back in time used to call it the wild Wild West!

1. Brasil - #1 and it's not really that close.

After that it's hard to say. Indonesia is awesome, but I have no desire to make that trip again. Ditto Thailand.

The FKKs in Germany are fantastic (even better Globe in Zurich) , but I want to go somewhere warm in the North American Winter.

Colombia is great cause it's such an easy trip (half the distance of going to Brasil) and I speak the Language.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2689645]I see someone else tried a trans too. Hehe.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing there are forums for those that like pene.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2689628]Argentina? I was there just before the Pandemic and found it to be terrible for mongering. Not that there weren't pretty women there, but there had been a lot of crackdowns and closure of venues. Perhaps you were there many years ago before things changed.[/QUOTE]I was there in 2013. Spent a week in Buenos Aires. Loved the city and the atmosphere, but mongering sucked big time. During that week, I had my best sessions with chicks from Paraguay and Colombia. I tried 2 Argentinian chicks in the first couple of days, and that was it.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689516]...I really liked Malioboro club in Indonesia, they have a greater variety than FKKs...[/QUOTE]Yes, I loved visiting Malioboro! Ton of beautiful women.

How about that club in Jakarta that was closed by the government, and I can't remember its name. It had an indoor pool, and you can spend some time with your lucky girl in the pool. They also did lineup presentation by ethnicity. Unfortunately, it was closed soon after I discovered it.

Talking about great variety of girls, how about the Macau saunas? I had so much fun there over the years.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2689385]...So how much was the hooker in SJC Lefeu? I can still get good quality hookers for $60-$70 US in SJO but have not been near SJC in many years.[/QUOTE]The going rate is anywhere between $260 and $300 per hour. Quite expensive but well worth it when one is stuck in sex prison.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2688657]Thanks to Gabacho I had a blast in Medellin when I went during thanksgiving week 2021.

Had so much fun with botero girls that I just booked 12 days for this upcoming summer in late June.

Can't wait![/QUOTE]I'm going to be there May thru July bro but not the whole time in Medellin tho (I'm going to take a side trip to Cucuta and maybe to Cali). I had a great time on my last trip Jan to Feb and spent most the time in El centro de Medellin. So many girls in centro I have to keep coming back LOL. I also discovered the metro girls and candy girls on my last trip and I have a bunch of chicks whatsapp numbers and they're passing me to all their friends too (mostly Botero vennies). Can't wait to get back agn.

Also if you like the Botero scene you would like cucuta they have this street 'la septima' very similar to cra 53 in medellin but cheaper. They start out as low as 20 K COP and 5 K COP for the room. And it's more grimey and ghetto in cucuta and feels more rough than medellin, but for me that adds to the adrenaline rush.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2689755]I also discovered the metro girls and candy girls on my last trip[/QUOTE]I don't know about them. I really didn't see any attractive candy girls and the coffee girls were about the same as the rest of of the Centro mix. As for the Metro girls, I'd say 90% of the time I've of passed by (to and from the stations), there's been no one or trannies.

As for the Sacaleras Surfer mentioned, I've seen some huffing on the edge of the park by Avenida De Greiff. That whole area gets rougher as you go down Bolivar. I made the mistake of walking down that way before realizing my mistake and nope-ing out of there. A couple of blocks in most directions isn't too bad and even nice, but not that a ways.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2689755]Also if you like the Botero scene you would like cucuta they have this street 'la septima' very similar to cra 53 in medellin but cheaper. They start out as low as 20 K COP and 5 K COP for the room. And it's more grimey and ghetto in cucuta and feels more rough than medellin, but for me that adds to the adrenaline rush..[/QUOTE]I went to Cucuta a few years back and honestly would not recommend it. Besides the area you mentioned, there were girls working in various parks around town, and another spot you could find girls was in and around the bus station.

At the time I went, the selection of pretty girls was not even close compared to Centro, albeit the pricing was lower as you mentioned.

As far as travelling there to save 10-15 K for a rato with a Vennie, well you would have to do dozens and dozens of girls to break even to cover the expenses to get there and back. I went there out of curiosity thinking that there would be all these beautiful Vennies out, but seems most of them after crossing the border immediately head elsewhere within the Country.

I, like you, found it to be interesting, and am glad I went, but won't be going back.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2689755]I'm going to be there May thru July bro but not the whole time in Medellin tho (I'm going to take a side trip to Cucuta and maybe to Cali). I had a great time on my last trip Jan to Feb and spent most the time in El centro de Medellin. So many girls in centro I have to keep coming back LOL. I also discovered the metro girls and candy girls on my last trip and I have a bunch of chicks whatsapp numbers and they're passing me to all their friends too (mostly Botero vennies). Can't wait to get back agn.

Also if you like the Botero scene you would like cucuta they have this street 'la septima' very similar to cra 53 in medellin but cheaper. They start out as low as 20 K COP and 5 K COP for the room. And it's more grimey and ghetto in cucuta and feels more rough than medellin, but for me that adds to the adrenaline rush.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Take my advice, Cucuta fucking sucks! Whatever girl you been talking with online that you want to meet, just fly her to medellin or the coast. TRSUT ME! It is the worst city in CO to hang in.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2689894]Take my advice, Cucuta fucking sucks! Whatever girl you been talking with online that you want to meet, just fly her to medellin or the coast. TRSUT ME! It is the worst city in CO to hang in.[/QUOTE]Weather is very hot and unlike in MDE practically every business and residence has air conditioning. You are on the Venezuelan border at the "Bridge of Tears" so there are a lot of Vennies willing to have sex for cheap. I mainly had a crazy time with two sisters I lined up ahead of time so maybe SmallChange is on to something about hanging out there, I dunno, he did not give any specifics. And I did have to jump out of second story balcony onto some nice, soft St. Augustine grass to get away from those sisters' posse who were coming up the stairs on the front side, and they were not from Welcome Wagon. Still, the experience with those two sisters for three days and two nights was worth the trip, because I survived unharmed. Barely, jajaja.

I'd go back to Cucuta before Cali. Shows to go you as I often say, Mongering is an intensely personal experience that sometimes (often?) does not transfer over to your fellow monger. I am thinking about going back for a third time but again, I have at least a couple of chicas in mind and lined up ahead of time.

As a general rule, I rarely travel for the sole purpose of meeting a chica unless they seem exceptional for some reason. And when I do, I have at least 3 chicas lined up, never one, to compensate for any flaking. I've been very lucky so far.

You invented a great T-shirt "TRSUT ME!" jajajaja.

For those of you who follow me, I have posted about this Cucuta adventure several times, and it was memorable to say the least.

The first two fotos are the main chica Web camming the same day at the studio where I picked her and her sister up, you can see sis in the background of the first foto. I was waiting on the street in a taxi. The studio Mama-San gave me a good going-over before she released the girls and let them come outside to me, jaja.

One sister had the great body, the other the great face. My go to position during sex was to put the body in doggy at the edge of the bed, and sis with the face right next to her face up then go back and forth and finger the one I wasn't fucking. That way I always go to look at pretty face and fuck better body in doggy.

I also took good body and kept her in doggy, and had sister with beautiful face rest her head on her sister's ass, and go back and forth from face's mouth to body's pussy. I could write a short story about that weekend, from the moment we met to the very end was unique.

The rest of the fotos were back at the Airbnb where we stayed. Never saw them again after I made a rapid exit to the airport. The body was supposed to fly to MDE a couple of weeks later and she flaked on me for the price of a one-way CUC-MDE air ticket, super-cheap I want to say $69 USD, but we lost contact after that. Don't go chasing waterfalls, is what I always say. There's always fresh poontang waiting around the corner that will surpass expectations.

I hit the upload button too soon, jeje.

OK. I registered for Tinder Gold & set location to Medellin. Have about a dozen hits for chicas that. Assuming the pics are real. Look hot. I have several vanilla conversations going (in Spanish) where the girls say they "are looking forward to meeting me". That's cool. My concern is that I do not want to waste any time on a chica who is not willing to provide what I want sexually (for me that's at least sloppy BBBJ minimum).

For you veterans to the social media game. At what point do you transition the conversation from "you look cute" to "do you give sloppy BBBJs? If yes, how much do you charge?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2689894]Take my advice, Cucuta fucking sucks! Whatever girl you been talking with online that you want to meet, just fly her to medellin or the coast. TRSUT ME! It is the worst city in CO to hang in.[/QUOTE]

There is no American (North, South or Central) nor European destination that can hold a candle to the FKK's in Germany. As with many human endeavors, others do the best they can, Germans will see it and go ". Yeah. I don't think so. Why don't you hold my beer while I fix this for you. " lmao.

Build a combo posh night club, high end spa, bar, and restaurant. Add on a couple dozen luxury hotel rooms. Fill establishment with 100 insanely hot women. Dress code: "all women must be naked all the time". Tight management to make sure the customer service is excellent, the place is spotlessly clean and safe 24/7. Customers: Enjoy as many women as you can handle until your money runs out.

Simple yet glorious!

[QUOTE=Combo;2689683]The FKKs in Germany are fantastic (even better Globe in Zurich) , but I want to go somewhere warm in the North American Winter.[/QUOTE]

Day 5 had a hotel change to the Parque Lleras area. With the entire park shut down under construction, I'm not a fan of it. The walk to the metro is longer than I like. The slope also makes the sidewalk irregularities even more treacherous. I actually took a slight spill despite walking along much worse sidewalks in poorer conditions. There are also more gringos, panhandlers, and scammers.

In any case, I did a quick pass though El Centro in the afternoon but didn't see anything worthwhile so after a snack, I headed back to LP. In the evening I walked a lot through the rain. Not a ton outside Gustos, but the women are hanging out on Cr 40 and Cr 38 by Calle 10. They also seem to be a lot in the bars and restaurants by Carrera 35. One woman just approached me and said she was flying back to Cal tomorrow and wanted to go with me tonight. I passed.

I also was the target of a pickpocket in a bikini top on Calle 10. She aggressively approached me and pushed her tits into me as her hand went to my pockets. I turned away but she grabbed my hand and then my wrist. She had my watch undone but not off my wrist before I grabbed it and her hand. She eventually let go and I continued on my way. That was all the excitement I had for the night as the rain and area wasn't really my vibe.

Day 6 had another Centro visit. Seeing the regulars, both chicas and gringos. Nothing too exciting so I popped into Conejitas. I got to see the voluptuous woman I had last time on stage which was fun. I bought her a beer after she got off stage but didn't partake.

It was early evening when I went to do another lap of El Centro. I ran into a regular chica who I briefly talked to on another day. After exchanging pleasantries, I asked how much and she said 25 k. We went to Botero Real where I paid with a ten and the staff passed two back. It was a bit unexpected for me so I just passed my chica the bill. A shower together and a quick session. I paid 30 k with a 20 and two 5's, hopefully making it clear the extra was for her. She's a nice young woman from Venezuela and no reason not to pay market.

After going back to my hotel in Parque Lleras, I saw some of the same faces from the night before but again, the rain, closed park, and vibe wasn't there for me.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2689964]Tinder Gold ...I do not want to waste any time on a chica who is not willing to provide what I want sexually ... At what point do you transition the conversation from "you look cute" to "do you give sloppy BBBJs? If yes, how much do you charge?[/QUOTE]I think you answered the question perfectly urself. You don't want to waste time, so get to the question pronto! What do you have to lose. Upsetting a conservative girl that you have no interest in meeting?

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2689894]Take my advice, Cucuta fucking sucks! Whatever girl you been talking with online that you want to meet, just fly her to medellin or the coast. TRSUT ME! It is the worst city in CO to hang in.[/QUOTE]My advice is don't take anyone's advice, but consider everyone's advice before making a decision.

Some people are going to love Cucuta, some will hate it. It's like fucking a fat chick, some guys love it, even though I don't.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2689668]IMO just referring to that quick list is just being lazy.

I hear nothing but really bad things about most countries on that list (and ID love to hear how old that list is LMAO).

How many tiers do you think there should be for the list LOL (not even all countries I like are equally good).

Also notice how nobody labeled that list? Its not called the best of.

I just made a list, give us your top 10.

Lastly I'm sure I could get better putas in the USA than in at least 75% of the countries on that list.[/QUOTE]No, being lazy is not taking the time to [B]read[/B] what somebody wrote nor attempting to [B]comprehend[/B] what they're talking about. I didn't say anything about those places being the best. No, my initial inquiry was to another monger about whether or not he had been to couple of [B]popular[/B] mongering destinations (Indonesia and Malaysia), without regard to whether or not they were among the best or not. I didn't say they were good, and nor did I say they were bad either for that matter. I've been to neither, so I don't know, but what I can tell from past activity on this site is that both destinations are popular. I said they were popular, and my point about the front page list of 16 was that the list served as evidence of their popularity since they're on it. That was my point, and nothing more. Not that they were "the best". I never said that. Nor did I claim that they were popular simply by observing the list, but I actually took the time to go and [B]look[/B] at what was going on in each section activity-wise, particularly pre-pandemic. Imagine that! But when it comes to talking about "the best", I don't need a list of 16. I don't even need a list of 10. No, I only need a list of two, and that would be Brazil number one and Germany number two. As far as I'm concerned, every other place after Brazil and Germany is just a part of "the rest". And if you think you can do better than Brazil and Germany by staying in the States, then have at it bro. It's all yours! So go knock yourself out! But in the future, before you criticize something I write, please take the time to carefully read (and comprehend) it first. So, let me be 100% clear here. I'll say it again. Brazil and Germany are [B]the best[/B]. And every other place is simply a part of [B]the rest[/B]!

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2689964]OK. I registered for Tinder Gold & set location to Medellin. Have about a dozen hits for chicas that. Assuming the pics are real. Look hot. I have several vanilla conversations going (in Spanish) where the girls say they "are looking forward to meeting me". That's cool. My concern is that I do not want to waste any time on a chica who is not willing to provide what I want sexually (for me that's at least sloppy BBBJ minimum).

For you veterans to the social media game. At what point do you transition the conversation from "you look cute" to "do you give sloppy BBBJs? If yes, how much do you charge?[/QUOTE]Here is how I usually do it. Compose a introductory description of yourself, where you're from whether you live here or are just visiting. Tell you get bored some evenings and would like some company. Ask her what she hoped to find on Tinder.

She will almost always respond to that question and ask you what you are looking for. If she just responds about what she likes and doesn't ask you. Tell her anyway.

Now you compose a second brief paragraph (remember the brief part) telling her what you like to do.

If she is interested she might ask you for your WhatsApp, she might ask you what you are going to pay. Etc. OR she might just ignore you because she was seeking a sugar-daddy and not a short-term amigo con derechos. However she responds you are either on your way to making a date OR you are not wasting too much time going out for drinks or meals (for which you customarily are obligated to pay and her taxis as well).

The other nice part is that if you compose these two paragraphs diligently you can copy and paste them with each contact (just remember to change the name in the greeting).

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2689894]Take my advice, Cucuta fucking sucks! Whatever girl you been talking with online that you want to meet, just fly her to medellin or the coast. TRSUT ME! It is the worst city in CO to hang in.[/QUOTE]On the contrary, the 3 times I've been to Cucuta I enjoyed it. Stayed in the Mar Hotel (Hotel Mary) right there on la septima. Started out fucking girls in the rooms then brought ones I liked back to my room. I was there for 2 weeks in February. I ended up renting an Airbnb in villa del rosario (near the border with Venezuela) for $20 a day with a full kitchen, 2 beds, and swimming pool on-site. I had 2 different girls bringing me girls everyday and went thru about 2 dozen chicas in the time I was there. The only thing I didn't like was the heat (everyday in the 90's) and much heavier police presence with soldiers with automatic weapons and fatigues that you don't really see that much like that in medellin, but they never really fucked with me, I got stopped once and searched and asked for cedula then they let me go on my way.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2690029]There is no American (North, South or Central) nor European destination that can hold a candle to the FKK's in Germany. As with many human endeavors, others do the best they can, Germans will see it and go ". Yeah. I don't think so. Why don't you hold my beer while I fix this for you. " lmao.

Build a combo posh night club, high end spa, bar, and restaurant. Add on a couple dozen luxury hotel rooms. Fill establishment with 100 insanely hot women. Dress code: "all women must be naked all the time". Tight management to make sure the customer service is excellent, the place is spotlessly clean and safe 24/7. Customers: Enjoy as many women as you can handle until your money runs out.

Simple yet glorious![/QUOTE]I was in Germany about four years ago and went to the FKK in Berlin, I forget the name, I'm sure you know it, and I paid something like 80 Euros for admission which didn't include partaking in the women. Quite a different experience for me as I was given a locker, sandals, and a robe in which to roam around in.

I walked out after about an hour not wanting to partake.

Just to organized and business like for my tastes and had decided to try an FKK so I could cross it off my mongering list.

I can see the allure of the FKK's for some, imagine as though your Hugh Hefner walking around in a robe in the Playboy Mansion with all those available women.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2689954]And I did have to jump out of second story balcony onto some nice, soft St. Augustine grass to get away from those sisters' posse who were coming up the stairs on the front side, and they were not from Welcome Wagon.[/QUOTE]I'd love to hear more!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2690081] the heat (everyday in the 90's) and much heavier police presence with soldiers with automatic weapons and fatigues.[/QUOTE]I have only been twice so perhaps the third time is the charm. I saw no charm. Cucuta is the second least charming city I have ever been to, second only to Clorinda, Argentina near the border with Paraguay. I also like grime but not hot, sweaty grime with terrible food.

I started my (weak) monger career with street workers and apartments in Milan, but the place that changed my life was Natal in Brazil 20 years ago, then Fotaleza, repeating multiple times. I like to create a relationship with girls, and Brazil was great for that. I guess that Brazil doesn't exist anymore.

Germany is FKK as far as I know. Places are well organized as you expect from DE, but there is no emotional involvement. It is a routine to discharge after a long business day, with beautiful eastern Europe pros.

Dominican Republic for me is mostly Sosua and Cabarete. You went there about 12 years ago. Cheap, but low quality. Not low for girls quality, but for the place. I had a couple of I'll-never-forget chicas, but I wouldn't go back again.

Thailand: Bangkok, Phuket, Koh Samui, and (lower in quality) Pattaya are must-go places for every monger at every age and multiple times. They massage and milk you the way you want, when you want and where you want. Little emotional involvement, but great kindness and easy holidays.

Moscow one day and night only in 2000: I remember the Red Square: I have never seen such a concentration of beautiful girls anywhere else in the world. A place to get crazy. I don't know why god blessed that place with so many gorgeous pussys. Maybe my genes programmed me this way, but even the scent of their skin drove me crazy.

Spain: Many visit to Madrid and Barcelona. They have many apartments with estudiantes, but I went there only for short business trips. Those girls know how to make you horny!

Prague, same as Spain, there are apartments, but I like better Latinas.

Amsterdam: I went there for business many times, I played my hobby, but it isn't really a place to go on vacation, just a stupid sex factory.

Colombia last November was my first mongering vacation after a 15 years gap. It is a great place! My attitude was very rusty, I had to learn things again almost from scratch, especially because I'm now 59, and this does change a lot: unlimited budget, and limited stamina, but I discovered the power of Cialis. In 3 weeks I visited Medellin, Cartagena and Santa Marta. Medellin is a fucking paradise. Cartagena is a chaotic touristic location. In this place it is better to have a buddy rather than mongering alone, especially for the day activities. Santa Marta is a pearl, but the temperature is so hot that I would need to stay there 3 weeks just to acclimate (I now live close to Denver). My 3 weeks in Colombia have been restless and I visited most of the places described by the senior ISG fellows. I'm sure, next time I will have more fun and with more tranquility and relaxation.

In July, or August I want to get there again for 3 weeks. Medellin for sure, this time I want to take an apartment at Energy and Poblado. Last time I went to Laureles, but my Airbnb was on the path of the airplanes taking off the close airport and that run my sleeping. I would like to see Cali, maybe Bogota that are pussy friendly too. I would like to see also the wild Pacific cost or the wild parks in the mountains, but I need to sort out how to combine this with chica. Having a novia coming with me to visit thous places is a dream.

My goal: be able to do at least 20% of what OsteoKnot does, paying no more than 200% more than him. I must admit I am rotten envious!

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2690029]There is no American (North, South or Central) nor European destination that can hold a candle to the FKK's in Germany. As with many human endeavors, others do the best they can, Germans will see it and go ". Yeah. I don't think so. Why don't you hold my beer while I fix this for you. " lmao.

Build a combo posh night club, high end spa, bar, and restaurant. Add on a couple dozen luxury hotel rooms. Fill establishment with 100 insanely hot women. Dress code: "all women must be naked all the time". Tight management to make sure the customer service is excellent, the place is spotlessly clean and safe 24/7. Customers: Enjoy as many women as you can handle until your money runs out.

Simple yet glorious![/QUOTE]I don't disagree. The FKKs are amazing. However, I live in Chicago. I generally like to travel between November and April to flee the cold weather. That's as big a part of my motivation for traveling as pussy is. I want to be somewhere with balmy weather and Germany between Nov and April is not balmy.

But yes, every guy that practices this hobby should experience the FKKs once in his life. No substitute for lots of hot women walking around completely naked. Just a mind-blowing experience.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689224]I think it depends on individual taste. I have been to every major mongering destination on the planet and the best country for mongering IMHO is Germany. Nothing beats being in a club and being surrounded by over a hundred hot naked girls.[/QUOTE]I think all of these posts really highlight the individual taste element. I have been to many FKK clubs spanning many trips and find most to be quite underwhelming (but very inexpensive both to fly to from the UK and for sex). I've had a couple of mind blowing performances, but the majority have been so-so. Not one has been terrible though. Germany wouldn't be near the top of my list of destinations for P4 P, all other things being equal.

[QUOTE=JamesPearle;2690029]There is no American (North, South or Central) nor European destination that can hold a candle to the FKK's in Germany. As with many human endeavors, others do the best they can, Germans will see it and go ". Yeah. I don't think so. Why don't you hold my beer while I fix this for you. " lmao.

Build a combo posh night club, high end spa, bar, and restaurant. Add on a couple dozen luxury hotel rooms. Fill establishment with 100 insanely hot women. Dress code: "all women must be naked all the time". Tight management to make sure the customer service is excellent, the place is spotlessly clean and safe 24/7. Customers: Enjoy as many women as you can handle until your money runs out.

Simple yet glorious![/QUOTE]Sounds like Club Chameleon in Phoenix about 25 years ago, before the city council decided to outlaw the swinger clubs. There were some obvious differences. You couldn't get in on the weekends without a date, no alcohol was available or allowed, and the women were all shapes and sizes, and with a boyfriend or husband. $40 for a couple, unlimited free soft drinks, a decent buffet, DJ, pool tables and people fucking all around. Of course you couldn't just grab a girl and go fuck. Agreements had to be reached. On the plus side, once you paid to get in, it was all free.

There shouldn't be anything else like it. The FKKs sound perfectly German to me: well designed, efficient, high quality and expensive. Anywhere else it would be a poor substitute. To me, each place has its own appeal and specialty.

It reminds me of my old Navy roommate at Bangor, WA. Every breakfast place we visited he ordered biscuits and gravy, hoping to find what he enjoyed in Charleston and he was always disappointed. My attitude is order some steamed claims and enjoy what they're good at.

Or simply: "When in Rome."

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2690093]I started my (weak) monger career with street workers and apartments in Milan, but the place that changed my life was Natal in Brazil 20 years ago, then Fotaleza, repeating multiple times. I like to create a relationship with girls, and Brazil was great for that. I guess that Brazil doesn't exist anymore.

Germany is FKK as far as I know. Places are well organized as you expect from DE, but there is no emotional involvement. It is a routine to discharge after a long business day, with beautiful eastern Europe pros.

Dominican Republic for me is mostly Sosua and Cabarete. You went there about 12 years ago. Cheap, but low quality. Not low for girls quality, but for the place. I had a couple of I'll-never-forget chicas, but I wouldn't go back again.

Thailand: Bangkok, Phuket, Koh Samui, and (lower in quality) Pattaya are must-go places for every monger at every age and multiple times. They massage and milk you the way you want, when you want and where you want. Little emotional involvement, but great kindness and easy holidays.

Moscow one day and night only in 2000: I remember the Red Square: I have never seen such a concentration of beautiful girls anywhere else in the world. A place to get crazy. I don't know why god blessed that place with so many gorgeous pussys. Maybe my genes programmed me this way, but even the scent of their skin drove me crazy.[/QUOTE]That's an interesting summary and worth reading. I don't necessarily agree that Colombia is the current pearl, but that's just my way of looking at it. I love Colombia and it suits me fine, but as all these reports show, everyone has different tastes.

Keep your eyes open. I'll be spending the last half of this week on the wild Pacific coast, with a novia, or reasonable facsimile. Until just a few days ago, I was also 59 (and in Denver), and understand the decrease in stamina.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2690093]Colombia is now the pearl[/QUOTE]I felt like I had found a like-minded monger. Very impressed with the list of places you have mongered and by your comments and insights.

My last four months in Medellin were a drug-fueled obsession with sex that was compensating for the absence of my novia, Catgirl. We are still solid, closer than ever, but I am not sure what I was doing was sustainable. With that said, once I recovered from my final night in MDE in that Puta Hotel, and then almost dying from urosepsis in JAX on my way home, and my sexual injury from crushing my right testicle seven weeks ago now at about 75% of normal, I feel pretty good at the moment, jajJaajajajajjaaaajaja.

Thanks for the compliment.

Ostee Out and let's stay open to the possibilities while we Keep On Keepin' On. Don't be jealous, it's one of the Seven Deadly Sins in some cultures, but they wear it like a badge of honor in MDE. The more jealous your chica, that mean the more she loves you. Jajajajaja. I am an utter disappointment in person, and comparisons are futile. I'm going to look for some random gratuitous fotos in your honor.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2690077]No, being lazy is not taking the time to [B]read[/B] what somebody wrote nor attempting to [B]comprehend[/B] what they're talking about. I didn't say anything about those places being the best. No, my initial inquiry was to another monger about whether or not he had been to couple of [B]popular[/B] mongering destinations (Indonesia and Malaysia), without regard to whether or not they were among the best or not. I didn't say they were good, and nor did I say they were bad either for that matter. I've been to neither, so I don't know, but what I can tell from past activity on this site is that both destinations are popular. I said they were popular, and my point about the front page list of 16 was that the list served as evidence of their popularity since they're on it. That was my point, and nothing more. Not that they were "the best". I never said that. Nor did I claim that they were popular simply by observing the list, but I actually took the time to go and [B]look[/B] at what was going on in each section activity-wise, particularly pre-pandemic. Imagine that! But when it comes to talking about "the best", I don't need a list of 16. I don't even need a list of 10. No, I only need a list of two, and that would be Brazil number one and Germany number two. As far as I'm concerned, every other place after Brazil and Germany is just a part of "the rest". And if you think you can do better than Brazil and Germany by staying in the States, then have at it bro. It's all yours! So go knock yourself out! But in the future, before you criticize something I write, please take the time to carefully read (and comprehend) it first. So, let me be 100% clear here. I'll say it again. Brazil and Germany are [B]the best[/B]. And every other place is simply a part of [B]the rest[/B]![/QUOTE]No, being lazy is not taking the time to read what somebody wrote nor attempting to comprehend what they're talking about. I didn't say anything about those places being the best?

LMAO.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2689523]The following are my top ten:

1. Germany.

2. Thailand.

3. Brazil.

4. Colombia.

5. The Philippines.

6. Mexico.

7. Indonesia.

8. The Dominican Republic.

9. Costa Rica.

10. Panama.[/QUOTE]Interesting list. Turgid, have you been to Paraguay, Montreal, or Eastern European countries?

Without Montreal, Canada is not a top 10 country but with it, it is IMO.

Paraguay IMO is top 10 for me but it is a pain in the ass to get there.

And so many guys have told me Eastern European women are the best, but outside of Russia, I have never been.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2689616]Costa Rica? Seriously. Maybe years ago. But I do not find most ticas to be naturally attractive, unlike Colombianas. The best ones you find in CR seems to be imports from Colombia, Venezuela, and Nicarauga. But to each his own. I quit going to CR for mongering long ago.[/QUOTE]Costa Rica has attractive women just like Colombia. I've been to Col just as many times as CR and I can tell you I prefer the attitudes of CR ticas over Colombianas. The main diff to me is ticas are smarter, and definitely not as superficial as Col chicas.

For those of you claiming you mostly meet with women from Col or Nicaragua when you were in CR, it simply means you haven't experienced actual women from CR so how would you know? LOL. All those south American countries have indigenous looking women that can all look similar like from Mexico, Panama, CR, COL, Peru, Nica, etc. But you also have many European descent / look in CR just like COL / ARG.

Because of the pandemic many good places are closed, but still don't be lazy and only rating the women of the country only w / cheap WG from brothels, imported ones especially. The ideal women of any country anywhere whether CR or COL, will be on FB, SA, Dating sites, and in University campuses. They will not be along side the illegal or working-girl imports like the Dominicanas, Nicas, Vennies in brothels. Not that there's something wrong w those, just saying CR has a whole lot more to offer for a fair comparison when it comes to attractiveness of women. Just make a little effort to actually talk to real women there and you'll see how impressive and intimidating they are.

I can see the appeal of the FKKs but to me I just felt like Santa Claus. Ho, ho, ho. Nada de [I]chispa[/I]. Did a couple, it was fun, not my scene.

[QUOTE=DirtyDJ;2690085]I'd love to hear more![/QUOTE]I don't think those girls wanted to do me harm by the time their posse was coming for me on our third day together in Cucuta. I believe they were committed to this course of action from the first day we met, before we started getting along well. We didn't start out on the best terms, as I will explain.

I found Rita on-line on xHamster. I will look at Web cam models on-line ahead of time if I am headed into a city. I have a couple of very interesting prospects for MDE for my next return, even though I sure as hell don't need the extra warm bodies or wet holes, but I can't help myself. I am second-generation monger. Overall, probably I get less than 5% of my chicas on-line but it is one of many options.

Rita wasn't the prettiest In the face and I used to tease her about her goofy glasses, but when you watched her live she was very natural, hawter than fuck, and I could tell her body was fresh and tight with a low mileage pussy. She had some of the most beautiful hands I had ever seen. I will post some fotos I saved of her camming. Her sister had a gorgeous face.

Anywho, I got her to agree to meet. I had a couple of other Cucuta girls supposedly waiting in the wings but didn't need them. My rule of thumb is always have at least three chicas lined when traveling for trim, to compensate for the potential flake rate. After I found my BnB, I took a taxi to her Webcam studio.

The "studio" was simply a detached house that did not stand out in a residential neighborhood. They would not let me inside. I had to pass the Mama-San's visual inspection before she would let Rita come outside. I spoke almost no Spanish back then in 2019.

I picked an Airbnb apartment that was close to the studio but it was still a 12-15 minute taxi drive. We were headed there when Rita took a phone call and suddenly said we had to go back and get her sister.

We found her sister standing outside on a typical scorching Cucuta day with a packed suitcase. She was also a cam model at the same studio, and had just broken up with her boyfriend.

She hopped in the taxi. Using Google Translate, I quickly seized the opportunity and said if the sister was coming back to the Airbnb with us, a studio with one bed, then I get to fuck them both. They both said no. In the true mongering spirit, I stopped the taxi and made them both get out at a residential street corner, vacant lot. Yeah, I was an asshole, so what else is new?

I believe this is when they formulated their plan to "get even" with me and set me up for some crime. Anywho, as I expected, my offer was better than standing outside in the ninety plus degree sun so fifteen minutes later Rita called back and said she and her sister agreed. I made it clear that sis would not be getting off easy and whatever I did to one I could do to the other. I was still in the taxi and we circled back.

After a slightly slow start things went great over the next few days. The girls continued to work shifts at the studio but there was no shortage of sex with them separately or together. Lots of laughing.

On the last day, they were making a phone call. I didn't know much Spanish but it was easy to tell they gave out my address to someone. I know they didn't need a ride because I already gave them taxi money. They denied calling anyone to come over.

My Spidey-Sense went on full alert. Fortunately, I travel very light with one medium backpack. I quickly finished packing. Line of sight I saw a car pull up with three or four guys in it, park in front and get out. Fortunately there were two locked gates between us but the first one somehow was unlocked and I could hear them inside the building stairwell at the second gate which may or may not have been locked, maybe the chicas left it unlocked, I thought.

At that point I wasn't waiting around to see how this played out. I tossed my backpack over the rail of the balcony. I grabbed Rita by her thick hair at the nape of her neck and gave her a hard deep kiss on the lips. Continuing with my best Douglas Fairbanks, Sr imitation I could muster. I vaulted over the rail of the balcony. I knew the ground was super thick and soft St. Augustine turf which was like landing on a sponge.

I was way past my championship athletic prime but I managed a tuck and roll without any ankle pain, snagged my backpack, and I was up and running, all in one smooth motion, never looked back. Ran out to the main drag and quickly caught a taxi to the airport.

Rita made serious capitulations about wanting to get married and staying together forever. She was very religious and insanely jealous of her sister, BTW. When I didn't return the attention and she could see I was a monger, we never spoke again. This was after she stiffed me for the price of a one-way air ticket from CUC-MDE, but I did not have high hopes there because she had never been on a plane before.

In conclusion, because the sex was amazing and I was not harmed, I would say it was worth it. If I stayed 45 seconds longer and those guys somehow made it into the room, who knows? Since there were two girls I could see difficulty in controlling both of them. They might be able to let the guys in, and I didn't want to get violent with the chicas, so leaving like I did seemed like the best option at the time and I still believe it was.

Ostee Out, and that's one way to Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690082]I was in Germany about four years ago and went to the FKK in Berlin, I forget the name, I'm sure you know it, and I paid something like 80 Euros for admission which didn't include partaking in the women. Quite a different experience for me as I was given a locker, sandals, and a robe in which to roam around in.

I walked out after about an hour not wanting to partake.

Just to organized and business like for my tastes and had decided to try an FKK so I could cross it off my mongering list.

I can see the allure of the FKK's for some, imagine as though your Hugh Hefner walking around in a robe in the Playboy Mansion with all those available women.[/QUOTE]This is so very interesting. You visit Artemis which is a club with dozens of hot naked women and you do not bang any then you go to El Centro and shag like there's no tomorrow while I go to el Centro and just walk through but never leave an FKK without sampling a few hotties. The human race is so amazing.

Agree Turgid. I have friends who won't pay more than 100-150 k for a girl, and brag about their negotiation skills and how many girls they turn down. They then show me the girl (s) and I wouldn't bang her for free!

Conversely I get sh*t when I have a couple 200-300 k dinners with a non-pro, educated hottie in the hopes of scoring something regular. We're each driven by different things. My preference is to pay more for quality (looks, experience), even if it means fucking less.

We're all driven by different things.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2690295]This is so very interesting. You visit Artemis which is a club with dozens of hot naked women and you do not bang any then you go to El Centro and shag like there's no tomorrow while I go to el Centro and just walk through but never leave an FKK without sampling a few hotties. The human race is so amazing.[/QUOTE]

You are a good brother, honest and knowledgeable. I hope to see more of your posts.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2690093]I started my (weak) monger career with street workers and apartments in Milan, but the place that changed my life was Natal in Brazil 20 years ago, then Fotaleza, repeating multiple times. I like to create a relationship with girls, and Brazil was great for that. I guess that Brazil doesn't exist anymore.

Germany is FKK as far as I know. Places are well organized as you expect from DE, but there is no emotional involvement. It is a routine to discharge after a long business day, with beautiful eastern Europe pros.

Dominican Republic for me is mostly Sosua and Cabarete. You went there about 12 years ago. Cheap, but low quality. Not low for girls quality, but for the place. I had a couple of I'll-never-forget chicas, but I wouldn't go back again.

Thailand: Bangkok, Phuket, Koh Samui, and (lower in quality) Pattaya are must-go places for every monger at every age and multiple times. They massage and milk you the way you want, when you want and where you want. Little emotional involvement, but great kindness and easy holidays.

Moscow one day and night only in 2000: I remember the Red Square: I have never seen such a concentration of beautiful girls anywhere else in the world. A place to get crazy. I don't know why god blessed that place with so many gorgeous pussys. Maybe my genes programmed me this way, but even the scent of their skin drove me crazy.[/QUOTE]

Many thanks.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2690080]Here is how I usually do it. Compose a introductory description of yourself, where you're from whether you live here or are just visiting. Tell you get bored some evenings and would like some company. Ask her what she hoped to find on Tinder.

She will almost always respond to that question and ask you what you are looking for. If she just responds about what she likes and doesn't ask you. Tell her anyway.

Now you compose a second brief paragraph (remember the brief part) telling her what you like to do.

If she is interested she might ask you for your WhatsApp, she might ask you what you are going to pay. Etc. OR she might just ignore you because she was seeking a sugar-daddy and not a short-term amigo con derechos. However she responds you are either on your way to making a date OR you are not wasting too much time going out for drinks or meals (for which you customarily are obligated to pay and her taxis as well)..[/QUOTE]

I am going to try Medellin for two weeks. I was many times in Bogota and like Santa Fe = many girls and clubs in one place (I don't want / need to make circles around the city in the hope to find a perfect girl) Could anyone please advice a solid workflow / casas / clubs / Airbnb / etc?

I like girls 20-25 year old, preferably low mileage, and some choice.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2690295]This is so very interesting. You visit Artemis which is a club with dozens of hot naked women and you do not bang any then you go to El Centro and shag like there's no tomorrow while I go to el Centro and just walk through but never leave an FKK without sampling a few hotties. The human race is so amazing.[/QUOTE]Yep. It's amazing. I don't like the gritty street scene and some guys can’t get it up without some grit! And the taste variation as well. Can't pay me to fuck a blue eyed blond and some guys won't have anything but that for dinner. Makes me think of all the worldwide formats and how there are all the different ways to hook up. Some my faves off the top of my head (there is of course incall outcall and street almost everywhere. Rarely my fave save London below:

Germany Austria Switzerland- FKK as discussed.

So Paulo. Boate - nightclub with all pros and semi pros often on-site rooms.

Medellin. Facebook girls! I don't know anywhere else right off hand with this as a primary access.

London. Agency incall. Fuck in the girls own bedroom. Sweet.

Tokyo. Tiny booking agency. Meet and walk hand in hand to Love Hotel.

Moscow. Strip club w on-site fucking.

Taiwan. Karaoke! Wtf. It's sooo fun.

Thailand. Strip clubs. Fishbowl!

Spain. Righteous old school brothel.

USA. Seeking Arrangement.

Every format has something unique and desirable about it. So I don't debate what's best. I just do them all! LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2690298]Agree Turgid. I have friends who won't pay more than 100-150 k for a girl, and brag about their negotiation skills and how many girls they turn down. They then show me the girl (s) and I wouldn't bang her for free!

Conversely I get sh*t when I have a couple 200-300 k dinners with a non-pro, educated hottie in the hopes of scoring something regular. We're each driven by different things. My preference is to pay more for quality (looks, experience), even if it means fucking less..[/QUOTE]I don't care to pay more for quality, I have my 3 regular when I visit Medellin, all 8-9 look but services 10 and all bare sex. I keep in touch with them when I'm home even during a few months. When I visit they make room in there schedule to meet me.

1- 22 years old Law student met at the mall no price ask from her, gave her gift and money, very intelligent women.

2- 20 years Seeking, 300 k for half day.

3- 21 years student, expensive gift and money.

There is quality girl in Medellin, best are non pro and semi pro.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2690295]This is so very interesting. You visit Artemis which is a club with dozens of hot naked women and you do not bang any then you go to El Centro and shag like there's no tomorrow while I go to el Centro and just walk through but never leave an FKK without sampling a few hotties. The human race is so amazing.[/QUOTE]The issue I had with the FFK is that it was way to organized and predictable for me.

No argument that there were lots of hotties ready to be taken up stairs, but all the rules, time constraints, is just not how I roll.

And don't get me wrong, I felt like Hugh Hefner walking around the place, but I wasn't up for a scripted routine with any of the women there.

I went there out of curiosity, and strongly recommend that anyone who has never been to an FKK or similar place in Europe, should go and check it out if they have the opportunity.

However, I cannot ever imagine having an experience in an FKK similar to what I've experienced in Centro.

And I'm not talking about the pools, the game room, the spa, the sauna, the food, the bar, and the sight of all those pretty girls walking around naked. All of that stuff means nothing nothing to me, yet for others is huge.

I personally like the unexpected / anything goes experiences versus the predictable, scripted, and routine performances that the girls in the FKK's dish out.

On many occasions I have said everyone rolls differently, with no way being any better than the other.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2690180]I felt like I had found a like-minded monger. Very impressed with the list of places you have mongered and by your comments and insights.

My last four months in Medellin were a drug-fueled obsession with sex that was compensating for the absence of my novia, Catgirl. We are still solid, closer than ever, but I am not sure what I was doing was sustainable. With that said, once I recovered from my final night in MDE in that Puta Hotel, and then almost dying from urosepsis in JAX on my way home, and my sexual injury from crushing my right testicle seven weeks ago now at about 75% of normal, I feel pretty good at the moment, jajJaajajajajjaaaajaja.

Thanks for the compliment.

Ostee Out and let's stay open to the possibilities while we Keep On Keepin' On. Don't be jealous, it's one of the Seven Deadly Sins in some cultures, but they wear it like a badge of honor in MDE. The more jealous your chica, that mean the more she loves you. Jajajajaja. I am an utter disappointment in person, and comparisons are futile. I'm going to look for some random gratuitous fotos in your honor.[/QUOTE]How did you crush your right nut? How is that even possible?

Just curious do your top 10 novias receive a monthly allowance or any type of help while you are not in Colombia? My issue with "novias", as opposed to P4P, is that they want some type of financial support while I am away. How do you deal w this issue?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690386]The issue I had with the FFK is that it was way to organized and predictable for me.[/QUOTE]Own it. Jajajaja.

Of course a Ground Zero Ghetto Rat (I am also a card-carrying member) who revels over saving 10 mil COP for a sexual session is going to feel out of his environs in an FKK. That is predictable. Keep On Keepin' On Surfer Dude.

Cheap is not poor. It's worse. I heard yesterday Tiger Woods was a terrible tipper. I wonder if that's true or if it's just hero bashing.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2690416]Own it. Jajajaja.

Of course a Ground Zero Ghetto Rat (I am also a card-carrying member) who revels over saving 10 mil COP for a sexual session is going to feel out of his environs in an FKK. That is predictable. Keep On Keepin' On Surfer Dude.

Cheap is not poor. It's worse. I heard yesterday Tiger Woods was a terrible tipper. I wonder if that's true or if it's just hero bashing.[/QUOTE]You totally missed the point.

It had nothing to do with money, if it had been, I would of never forked over the 80 Euros to enter.

It was all about the service I would obtain, not what is was going to cost.

And you know exactly what I'm talking about, as all of our Centro bunnies would sexually run circles around them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690386]The issue I had with the FFK is that it was way to organized and predictable for me.

No argument that there were lots of hotties ready to be taken up stairs, but all the rules, time constraints, is just not how I roll.

And don't get me wrong, I felt like Hugh Hefner walking around the place, but I wasn't up for a scripted routine with any of the women there.

I went there out of curiosity, and strongly recommend that anyone who has never been to an FKK or similar place in Europe, should go and check it out if they have the opportunity.

However, I cannot ever imagine having an experience in an FKK similar to what I've experienced in Centro.

And I'm not talking about the pools, the game room, the spa, the sauna, the food, the bar, and the sight of all those pretty girls walking around naked. All of that stuff means nothing nothing to me, yet for others is huge.

I personally like the unexpected / anything goes experiences versus the predictable, scripted, and routine performances that the girls in the FKK's dish out.

On many occasions I have said everyone rolls differently, with no way being any better than the other.[/QUOTE]I agree with much of it.

Sans this line.

"with no way being any better than the other".

I have traveled the world over looking for the best way, and I've found it.

Looking to find a chica friendly hotel for 5 days next month. Staying the first few days in Hotel M to get my bearings and hopefully make some buddies / get some advice. After that I was looking to airbnbs, but I've decided on a hotel this time around.

Has anyone stayed at both orange suites and Dorada 70, and can compare the two? I'm undecided. Balcony is a must (just because!) other than that, my main requirements are safety and quiet. Location isn't really an issue as long as it's not out in the boonies. I like the look of the superior double rooms of orange suites (do those have balconies?) and the executive rooms of Dorado 70. Hoping for around $300-$350 for 5 nights.

If anyone has any other recommendations for relatively upscale, safe, importantly chica friendly accommodation I'm missing, I'm still open to suggestions.

And, yes, I've RTFF! Nuti and San Peter aren't for me. And I really want to stay at the Charlee but not in my price bracket this trip.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2690356]Yep. It's amazing. I don't like the gritty street scene and some guys cant get it up without some grit! And the taste variation as well. Can't pay me to fuck a blue eyed blond and some guys won't have anything but that for dinner. Makes me think of all the worldwide formats and how there are all the different ways to hook up. Some my faves off the top of my head (there is of course incall outcall and street almost everywhere. Rarely my fave save London below:

Germany Austria Switzerland- FKK as discussed.

So Paulo. Boate - nightclub with all pros and semi pros often on-site rooms.

Medellin. Facebook girls! I don't know anywhere else right off hand with this as a primary access..[/QUOTE]I've seen my share of it, altho a bit too much on the tourist trap trail for me these days.

Great post except for this line, "Can't pay me to fuck a blue eyed blond" seriously?

I don't chase that anymore I caught all the 10's I needed.

Not saying this applies to you we've never met, but some will say that because of a severe case of sour grapes.

I love steak, I don't want it every meal, but you will never see me turn down a 100 oz Prime grade bone in ribeye.

Likewise, I'm done chasing overpriced blond blue eyed 18 yo goddesses.

But you won't see me turning them down anytime soon either LOL.

Muchas gracias.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2690412]How did you crush your right nut? How is that even possible?

Just curious do your top 10 novias receive a monthly allowance or any type of help while you are not in Colombia? My issue with "novias", as opposed to P4 P, is that they want some type of financial support while I am away. How do you deal w this issue?[/QUOTE]First the nux of the crux, jajaja. Cowgirl position, on my back, with Caribe who was very muscular and forceful. I put my legs together to give her more penetration. My right nut popped up and rested on my pubic bone. She came down hard and fast and squashed my nut between her bone and mine. I think for a second my nut was flat. Did not miss a beat and I kept going but I have an unnaturally high pain threshold.

Only Mi Numero Uno Novia Catgirl ever got a steady allowance but at the moment she doesn't need it because of the money she is making on TikTok. Other chicas I know ask me five to ten times a week for money and I say no nine out of ten times. I pay for my godson's school supplies and stuff like that.

Very important to know how to say no. But I don't mean 100% of the time. These chicas would rather have your money than respect you, but they will respect someone who is not a pushover. They will get their money somehow. They will tell you literally that they are starving to death, or someone will die for lack of meds if you don't give them money. This can make it difficult because sometimes their need is real, but virtually never as severe as they make it sound.

You have often heard it said that chicas are getting their money from more than one gringo. I don't know what the big deal is about that. Very true, some of the times. Believe it or not, it's not that easy to get a gringo to send regular money long term. The gringos who do so may be delusional about believing they are the one and only to said chica. If the chicas are available and prioritize you when you are in town, why worry about that shit? Plus, my relationships are open with ALL my chicas, although a couple of them dedicate themselves to me but not because I ask them to do so. I am a big believer in what is good for the goose is good for the gander, and fairness in a relationship.

I don't know exactly how to tell it but there is a way to refuse them money where they will still stick with you. The ones who don't, you are probably better off without them. You can play it straight GF if you want and some guys act like that is a win if you don't ever give a chica money. But if I have real feelings for a chica and she is giving me what I need, why wouldn't I want to share my good fortune? For me not to do so would be slimy. There isn't a guy reading this who could not give something proportional to what they have, if they so chose.

P4 P girls will expect to see something from you, at some point, it can just be what you would normally P4 P, but you want to stack up favorably to the other mongers out there, which ain't hard to do.

Took me a long time to learn this, but my chicas will stay with me if I simply show some empathy and acknowledge their difficulties, without sending money. I pick my spots and do send money, the amount is not noticeable to me which begs the question, am I really giving?

My main message to the girls when I am away is, wait until I see you in person and we'll talk about it then. Don't lie to them. The worst thing you can do in their eyes is promise some kind of benefit, money being the obvious example, and then not do it. Don't even promise to fuck them or see them unless you really plan on doing it. They take that shit personal because it is personal.

Bottom line, it takes TIME to get the right girls assembled and it's solely your decision what you do to keep the ones you like or not. There is always a great chica waiting in the wings who appreciate a decent guy, so if it get unenjoyable, move on. IMO guys don't cut the line soon enough, in general. BTW, when you do cut a chica loose, they invariably circle back around for you. Now you have the upper hand. I am not playing for the upper hand but that's how it plays out.

Man, you know I don't like giving advice but you got me going. Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On my Brother in Hijinx. If you find a nugget or two of useful information in my ramblings, it takes time to determine if it is working for you or not. Let us know.

I got a new computer and moving stuff around I am seeing a lot of fotos I have not seen in awhile. Such as these. As always, my fotos are original. Haters been trying to catch me posting duplicates from other sources for years, jajaja. So far they are batting 0 for 22, 114. Jajajajajajaa, I made those numbers up but not the result. Enjoy.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690472]Looking to find a chica friendly hotel for 5 days next month. Staying the first few days in Hotel M to get my bearings and hopefully make some buddies / get some advice. After that I was looking to airbnbs, but I've decided on a hotel this time around.

Has anyone stayed at both orange suites and Dorada 70, and can compare the two? I'm undecided. Balcony is a must (just because!) other than that, my main requirements are safety and quiet. Location isn't really an issue as long as it's not out in the boonies. I like the look of the superior double rooms of orange suites (do those have balconies?) and the executive rooms of Dorado 70. Hoping for around $300-$350 for 5 nights.

If anyone has any other recommendations for relatively upscale, safe, importantly chica friendly accommodation I'm missing, I'm still open to suggestions.

And, yes, I've RTFF! Nuti and San Peter aren't for me. And I really want to stay at the Charlee but not in my price bracket this trip.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]It's Dorado la 70. You should be able to get a nice double room with a balcony well within your suggested price range. Quiet? Just how noise sensitive are you? One side of the hotel faces la 70 which is loud and very busy well into the morning hours but the glass doors are pretty good the noise doesn't bother me in the slightest. You likely can get a room with a balcony facing 69 a and the noise would be nothing but the view is nothing also.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2690200]For those of you claiming you mostly meet with women from Col or Nicaragua when you were in CR, it simply means you haven't experienced actual women from CR so how would you know? [/QUOTE]I lived in CR at ground zero and I fucked plenty of ticas. In the process of fucking ticas and nicas, I determined that nicas were better fucks, so now that I'm only visiting for short periods, that's who I tend to go for. Not saying there is anything wrong with ticas and I also prefer their attitudes to Colombians' attitudes. But a Paraguayan will fuck you silly and then clean your apartment.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690472]Looking to find a chica friendly hotel for 5 days next month. Staying the first few days in Hotel M to get my bearings and hopefully make some buddies / get some advice. After that I was looking to airbnbs, but I've decided on a hotel this time around.

Has anyone stayed at both orange suites and Dorada 70, and can compare the two? I'm undecided. Balcony is a must (just because!) other than that, my main requirements are safety and quiet. Location isn't really an issue as long as it's not out in the boonies. I like the look of the superior double rooms of orange suites (do those have balconies?) and the executive rooms of Dorado 70. Hoping for around $300-$350 for 5 nights.

If anyone has any other recommendations for relatively upscale, safe, importantly chica friendly accommodation I'm missing, I'm still open to suggestions.

And, yes, I've RTFF! Nuti and San Peter aren't for me. And I really want to stay at the Charlee but not in my price bracket this trip..[/QUOTE]I haven't stayed at the Dorada 70, but know the general area, and have stayed at Orange Suites. The Orange Suites is located in the Astorga Barrio, on a quiet street about two blocks from Parque Poblado, and about a five minute walk from Parque Lleras.

Depending on how you monger, if your going to be pulling girls from Lleras, than it's an easy walk, downhill about five blocks, and yes they have rooms with Balconies, and lots of eating options nearby.

Probably the biggest difference is going to be the physical location within the City.

So again, if your going to be doing some mongering out of Lleras, the Orange Suites will be a better bet.

I'm 30 and I've been in Colombia hooking up with 7's for the most part free of charge off tinder and meeting in public but I want to turbo charge and start entering the semi pro game. I am realizing that even free chicas come with price tags like the US.

To contribute to the board I can share how to pull chicas and have plenty of dates from non p4 p. Then I hope someone can help me find the stunners who are semi pro and I can wife up for a bit or at least have a novia experience with. My Spanish is intermediate and I'm in shañe and well put together.

I arrived in Poblado and have been matching nonstop on tinder with mostly non pros and pros. Non pros are about 6-7's and want to be taken out. They do not always put out and require work. These girls will drop panties for you on the 2nd or 3rd date, especially if you take them are.

To a reggeaton club. I've made plenty of friends here and I recommend you find gringos who can go on doubles or group dates because they are better.

On the ground, its pretty easy to chat up a waitress and ask for their number. Don't be scared. Same playbook applies.

I have an empty facebook account and ID like some help starting it up with some contacts. I also don't mind hitting up a club or something low key if someone is down. Lastly, what's the most point and click experience I can get in Poblado? Prefer casas but I am willing to go to a club.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690386].....On many occasions I have said everyone rolls differently, with no way being any better than the other.[/QUOTE]We should all be grateful for this. Could you imagine if all mongers were like you? Then there would be thousands upon thousands of gringos walking the streets of El Centro shoulder to shoulder looking for chicas who are all continuously busy. Thankfully we all have different tastes.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2690479]It's Dorado la 70. You should be able to get a nice double room with a balcony well within your suggested price range. Quiet? Just how noise sensitive are you? One side of the hotel faces la 70 which is loud and very busy well into the morning hours but the glass doors are pretty good the noise doesn't bother me in the slightest. You likely can get a room with a balcony facing 69 a and the noise would be nothing but the view is nothing also.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the response. I think Dorado is my preference. Hopefully I can live with the noise for the trade off of the view. I always bring earplugs as a backup.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690605]I haven't stayed at the Dorada 70, but know the general area, and have stayed at Orange Suites. The Orange Suites is located in the Astorga Barrio, on a quiet street about two blocks from Parque Poblado, and about a five minute walk from Parque Lleras.

Depending on how you monger, if your going to be pulling girls from Lleras, than it's an easy walk, downhill about five blocks, and yes they have rooms with Balconies, and lots of eating options nearby.

Probably the biggest difference is going to be the physical location within the City.

So again, if your going to be doing some mongering out of Lleras, the Orange Suites will be a better bet.[/QUOTE]Thanks Surfer. At the moment I'm not planning to be visiting Lleras much, but who knows once I'm there! Dorado is my current preference based on the room quality from the photos. Taking location out of the equation, I think Dorado may just sneak it. Unless there are any suggestions for other chica friendly hotels that I should consider.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690687]Thanks for the response. I think Dorado is my preference. Hopefully I can live with the noise for the trade off of the view. I always bring earplugs as a backup.[/QUOTE]Their double paned, thick, sound proof sliding glass doors are amazing. Almost every time I had a guest over I would slide them open and shut, to demonstrate the difference.

But you have to be realistic. When a party bus drives buy and sets off their horn (the word "honking" just does not fit at that decibel level) you are going to hear it.

Random gratuitous fotos.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690472]Looking to find a chica friendly hotel for 5 days next month. Staying the first few days in Hotel M to get my bearings and hopefully make some buddies / get some advice. After that I was looking to airbnbs, but I've decided on a hotel this time around.

Has anyone stayed at both orange suites and Dorada 70, and can compare the two? I'm undecided. Balcony is a must (just because!) other than that, my main requirements are safety and quiet. Location isn't really an issue as long as it's not out in the boonies. I like the look of the superior double rooms of orange suites (do those have balconies?) and the executive rooms of Dorado 70. Hoping for around $300-$350 for 5 nights.

If anyone has any other recommendations for relatively upscale, safe, importantly chica friendly accommodation I'm missing, I'm still open to suggestions.

And, yes, I've RTFF! Nuti and San Peter aren't for me. And I really want to stay at the Charlee but not in my price bracket this trip..[/QUOTE]I prefer Dorado La 70 over Orange Suites. Dorado is cheaper and more centralized where you can walk (no hills) to restaurants and nightlife, a bit diff than Poblado of course. But if you want to be close to Parque Lleras then Orange suite is better.

Some pros:

- Lower cost / professional friendly staff.

- Very safe, 24/7 security and reception, busy street w police presence.

- Close to ATM, money exchange, restaurants, bars, train.

- Girl friendly. (one at a time or 50 k unless you booked double).

- And really really delicious breakfast.

A large part of the draw is gone with the entire area barricaded off. The entire park is off limits so while there's still Gustos and the clubs there, I'd just suggest staying in La Setenta and cabbing over to the clubs if you want a taste. I was a bit disappointed with my stay in that neighborhood and enjoyed my Estadio time much more.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690082]I was in Germany about four years ago and went to the FKK in Berlin, I forget the name, I'm sure you know it, and I paid something like 80 Euros for admission which didn't include partaking in the women. Quite a different experience for me as I was given a locker, sandals, and a robe in which to roam around in.

I walked out after about an hour not wanting to partake.

Just to organized and business like for my tastes and had decided to try an FKK so I could cross it off my mongering list.

I can see the allure of the FKK's for some, imagine as though your Hugh Hefner walking around in a robe in the Playboy Mansion with all those available women.[/QUOTE]I feel you Surf.

I was in Germany for a couple weeks as well. Berlin and Munich.

I visited the FKKs in each city.

I did partake, and had a good time, however, I'm a Centro guy as well, have been for many years.

Centro of Medellin, Rio and SP.

I'm in S Paulo now actually.

For the luxury, convenience and the beauty of the women I enjoyed the FKKs.

This girl from Moldova who I went with is probably the most beautiful of my life, and we had nice programmed type sex.

I'm glad I have the experience and memory with her.

In contrast, however, today I met a beautiful 19 year old morena here in Centro SP and she was amazing.

That anything goes, no holds barred, great sex you can find on the hunt, and when I gave her the equivalent of about 20 dollars she was grateful.

I'd take that every day over the FKK.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2690801]A large part of the draw is gone with the entire area barricaded off. The entire park is off limits so while there's still Gustos and the clubs there, I'd just suggest staying in La Setenta and cabbing over to the clubs if you want a taste. I was a bit disappointed with my stay in that neighborhood and enjoyed my Estadio time much more.[/QUOTE]I need some experienced Pobladians to chime in, but when I went to Poblado, the park was cordoned off with orange tape, and I didn't see that effecting the action that was going on much if at all. Yeah, it's a little uglier with the park tore up but my wingman who loves the place told me the action was on the surrounding streets and not inside the park, which is very small.

To my limited experience in Poblado, the park is to the mongering game, what the courtyard and fountain are in front of the church to Ground Zero. Focal points but not where most of the action occurs. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken, jeje.

Random Gratuitous Fotos.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2690823]I feel you Surf.

I was in Germany for a couple weeks as well. Berlin and Munich.

I visited the FKKs in each city.

I did partake, and had a good time[/QUOTE]Me too, once, and once was enough. Really not into fat naked guys, hanging around in bathrobes, or combining food gorging with sex gorging. Tried it, not knocking it, not for me. Plus who wants to fly to Germany for that kind of weather? No.

Latin pussy in temperate, high altitude climates, at a considerable discount to FKK, with more personal interaction and better prospects to continue any possibilities off-site, with a low cost of living, is what I seek. So what you want is MDE with less crime. La Serena or Los Andes in Chile. Mendoza in Argentina. Puebla in México. Trujillo in Perú. Trujillo is not high altitude but has a good climate and some bitching chongos. And little to no rain.

What's up brothers. I have a question when I was in Medellin last month I went to Guatape and on my way back the taxi went through some traffic getting in Medellin and it was not Parque Lleras. This place was so crowded with people that was out partying it was like a strip of some sort it was on the right hand side coming into Medellin but it looked like it was super fun. I know I am shooting in the dark but wanted to know if anyone know where or what that was I passed. Going back soon and I want to go. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2690823]I feel you Surf.

I was in Germany for a couple weeks as well. Berlin and Munich.

I visited the FKKs in each city.

I did partake, and had a good time, however, I'm a Centro guy as well, have been for many years.

Centro of Medellin, Rio and SP.

I'm in S Paulo now actually.

For the luxury, convenience and the beauty of the women I enjoyed the FKKs.

This girl from Moldova who I went with is probably the most beautiful of my life, and we had nice programmed type sex.

I'm glad I have the experience and memory with her.

In contrast, however, today I met a beautiful 19 year old morena here in Centro SP and she was amazing.

That anything goes, no holds barred, great sex you can find on the hunt, and when I gave her the equivalent of about 20 dollars she was grateful.

I'd take that every day over the FKK.[/QUOTE]This FKK discussion is pretty interesting, it really demonstrates the polar opposites of mongers and what they look for.

For any monger who hasn't visited a FKK, I do strongly recommend the trip at least once. You pay an entry fee for full day and, in the better houses such as Golden Time, you get free roam when it comes to the food and alcohol (local beer only, but included in the price). And you are in the company of naked women the whole day, with access to jaccuzi, sauna and even porn cinema.

If that's what you look for in an experience, great. But the parties are largely mechanical. Yes, the women are stunning. I'd say approximately 90% are from Romania, so don't come expecting a harem of blonde haired, blue-eyed beauties. Also, don't expect any kind of GFE at all. If you are into GFE, you will almost certainly leave disappointed. But it is not impossible. Lots of locals visit on a weekly basis, so you are up against strong, local, regular competition.

But it is still quite an experience. For info, notable houses are Golden Time (daytime), Living Room, Oase, Sharks, Acapulco, and my personal favourite Babylon in Elsdorf. They were fun at the time, but there were also lots of frustrating experiences. As I get older, I place more value on GFE. But if you are still in a PSE phase, there's probably nowhere better.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2690853]I need some experienced Pobladians to chime in, but when I went to Poblado, the park was cordoned off with orange tape, and I didn't see that effecting the action that was going on much if at all. Yeah, it's a little uglier with the park tore up but my wingman who loves the place told me the action was on the surrounding streets and not inside the park, which is very small.

To my limited experience in Poblado, the park is to the mongering game, what the courtyard and fountain are in front of the church to Ground Zero. Focal points but not where most of the action occurs. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken, jeje..[/QUOTE]A lot of the girls used to congregate inside the park, so you would find them there. However, I always saw better options on the surrounding streets.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2690801]A large part of the draw is gone with the entire area barricaded off. The entire park is off limits so while there's still Gustos and the clubs there, I'd just suggest staying in La Setenta and cabbing over to the clubs if you want a taste. I was a bit disappointed with my stay in that neighborhood and enjoyed my Estadio time much more.[/QUOTE]With the Park being under renovation it's a different venue than before.

I know that sounds a bit odd, but instead of all the girls being scattered around they are kind of lined up and down on the Gustos side of the park from Juan Valdez with some spillover going to Calle 10 on the side streets.

So you now kind of have a "line up" , versus scattered around, yet there has always been girls in front of Gustos.

What is sad is that not only is the Park under renovation, but a lot of the former eating establishments around the Park have been shuddered since the Pandemic. They should of renovated the park earlier during the Pandemic, but hopefully when the Park is done, the surrounding establishments will re-open.

If you go just a few blocks up from Lleras to the Provenza area, there's no residual outfall from the Pandemic with no vacant or closed entities.

Again, the timing of the renovation of Parque Lleras should of been done earlier which has hurt the re-opening of businesses around the Park.

Any one traveling to Medellin between May 9th until 19 please contact me, we can get together and go for beer. Stayin at San Peters, Laureles or Dorado 70.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2690757]I prefer Dorado La 70 over Orange Suites. Dorado is cheaper and more centralized where you can walk (no hills) to restaurants and nightlife, a bit diff than Poblado of course. But if you want to be close to Parque Lleras then Orange suite is better.

Some pros:

- Lower cost / professional friendly staff.

- Very safe, 24/7 security and reception, busy street w police presence.

- Close to ATM, money exchange, restaurants, bars, train.

- Girl friendly. (one at a time or 50 k unless you booked double).

- And really really delicious breakfast.[/QUOTE]I understand that the Hotel Dorado La 70 is chica friendly, but is there any extra chica fees to bring to the room.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690878].... Also, don't expect any kind of GFE at all. If you are into GFE, you will almost certainly leave disappointed....[/QUOTE]I have read this on posts by many punters and must say that that has not been my experience. You do get mechanical experiences especially from the very hottest girls. However, I have gotten GFE on many occasions. Some years ago a Hungarian provider even took me for a drive in her car on her day off, all I did was buy her lunch and some drinks like a normal outing with a friend.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2690853]I need some experienced Pobladians to chime in, but when I went to Poblado, the park was cordoned off with orange tape, and I didn't see that effecting the action that was going on much if at all. Yeah, it's a little uglier with the park tore up but my wingman who loves the place told me the action was on the surrounding streets and not inside the park, which is very small.

To my limited experience in Poblado, the park is to the mongering game, what the courtyard and fountain are in front of the church to Ground Zero. Focal points but not where most of the action occurs. Correct me if I am wrong. I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken, jeje.

Random Gratuitous Fotos.[/QUOTE]You, sir, are a poster of immense distinction. I have walked through Parque Poblado perhaps hundreds of times over the years and never knew that there were street walkers in the vicinity. One lives and learns. BTW, the girl in the provocative pose on the bed attending to her phone is a girl I would repeat with depending on her face. I am usually not a repeater.

Facebook will take some time and effort, especially for nonpros / semipros. You can find in-depth reports RTFF or reports of distinction. My tip to make a quick list, though, would be to look for a monger with an open list and friend chicas on his list. If you had a membership, I'd have sent a name and / or the name of a popular pro with an open list, but I see you don't. The beginner-friendly way to figure out if a girl is a pro or not on Facebook is to chat with them and see where it goes. Does she bring up money for a cita? Does she ask for money / talk about problems? Does she reply quickly or take forever? Is she happy to talk to you about life / random stuff? Girls that are happy to talk to you about themselves and their families and aren't looking for a payout are more likely nonpro or in that grey semipro category. The more advanced, though not foolproof, way on Facebook is only possible once you have a list of pro chicas (let's say 50 or more). Personally, I look for other mongers in the likes and comments on their photos to get an idea if the girl is a hardened pro or not. If there is a foreign guy that shares a lot of friends with you liking their stuff, then they are a monger. One or two monger friends doesn't necessarily mean anything but if most of the likes are from other mongers then it's more likely she's a hardened pro. I also don't think sexy photos mean that much one way or another. I was convinced one of my all-time favorites was a pro before I met her based on photos and a few likes but she turned out to be a nonpro. It also seems like most paisas have a photo of themselves at least in a bathing suit so somewhat risque photos are normal.

Now the other issue in your post / more generally is the question of what you consider a semi-pro? Is she holding down a regular job and supplementing with dates? Is it that she has a great GFE attitude? Is it that she doesn't have a set price and is happy with what you give her? Or is it that she doesn't consider herself a prepago but needs "help" (I. E. In denial)? The majority of the paid sex I've had with chicas in Medellin would be with girls falling into one or more of those categories but I wouldn't consider all of them "semipros". I've always found the semipro category to have the most grey area and be the hardest to define. Thus, I think it's more helpful to be specific about the qualities you are looking for than to fixate on the semipro label.

Finally, personally, I've generally had sex on the first date with the nonpro and "semi-pro" chicas I've met on Facebook. Having your date at your place is helpful because it removes some of those logistical barriers to sex (I. E. They are already in a private space with you). What's worked for me is offering to cook something for the chica at my apartment. I also offer to take them out for food or drinks, but most agree to come to my place. Inviting them to come to swim in the pool / jacuzzi in a building, and watching Netflix are other ways to get them to come over.

[QUOTE=Syllable;2690639]I'm 30 and I've been in Colombia hooking up with 7's for the most part free of charge off tinder and meeting in public but I want to turbo charge and start entering the semi pro game. I am realizing that even free chicas come with price tags like the US.

To contribute to the board I can share how to pull chicas and have plenty of dates from non p4 p. Then I hope someone can help me find the stunners who are semi pro and I can wife up for a bit or at least have a novia experience with. My Spanish is intermediate and I'm in shae and well put together.

I arrived in Poblado and have been matching nonstop on tinder with mostly non pros and pros. Non pros are about 6-7's and want to be taken out. They do not always put out and require work. These girls will drop panties for you on the 2nd or 3rd date, especially if you take them are.

To a reggeaton club. I've made plenty of friends here and I recommend you find gringos who can go on doubles or group dates because they are better.

On the ground, its pretty easy to chat up a waitress and ask for their number. Don't be scared. Same playbook applies.

I have an empty facebook account and ID like some help starting it up with some contacts. I also don't mind hitting up a club or something low key if someone is down. Lastly, what's the most point and click experience I can get in Poblado? Prefer casas but I am willing to go to a club.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2691044]I have walked through Parque Poblado perhaps hundreds of times over the years and never knew that there were street walkers in the vicinity.[/QUOTE]I think the OP was referring to Parque Lleras, not Parque Poblado.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2691044]You, sir, are a poster of immense distinction. I have walked through Parque Poblado perhaps hundreds of times over the years and never knew that there were street walkers in the vicinity. One lives and learns. BTW, the girl in the provocative pose on the bed attending to her phone is a girl I would repeat with depending on her face. I am usually not a repeater.[/QUOTE]That is Purrfekt Piel (PP), no tats, no piercings. The reason I chuckled is her due date is this Tue, she in nine months pregnant and out of commission for the time being. Before I recently returned from MDE, I tagged her pregnant pussy more than any preggo chica in my life, and she was great!

All fotos are of Purrfekt Piel.

The close-up pussy shot is typical for what I call pregnant pussy, fat with pregnancy hormones, beefy, but soft and tight at the same time. Heaven in a hole, jaja.

That's her and Scarlet, my Number Two chica, preening each other after a very fun 3-way.

If you read my Top Ten review, PP is listed as the chica who is "easiest girl to be around" no drama, no pressure. Love taking her out. The word "no" is not in her vocabulary.

You "non-repeater" guys don't know what you are missing. Well, maybe you do. To each is own. To that point, PP and I did not get along at all at first, almost 3 years ago. And she also flaked on me in the beginning more than I would normally every put up with. But something told me to stick with her, and I am glad I did. She owns the mid-ranking positions on my Top Ten List.

I have a trip planned for May and done pages and pages of RTFF at this forum. Have contacted several FB chicas too but am wondering if I should cancel the trip. I am finding it very hard to come across English speaking girls. Me espanol es muy malo! I can understand a bit but not enough to have a non-dirty conversation LOL.

Anyone have a referral / lead for me on an English-Speaking puta in Medellin? Or where to look? (besides just generally on FB) Prefer young and beautiful with natural tetas. Even contacts with 2-3 girls will be enough to salvage the trip. I just don't feel like travelling so far and have sex with women without being able to have some small talk at least.

Please PM me if you can help.

Muchas gracias!

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691018]Any one traveling to Medellin between May 9th until 19 please contact me, we can get together and go for beer. Stayin at San Peters, Laureles or Dorado 70.[/QUOTE]The dominant majority of hotels who allow guests charge a fee, which varies widely. The cheapest I ever paid was 5. 000 mil COP and I think the most expensive was 80.000 and I have heard higher in Poblado, another reason I avoid the place.

I know of a couple of nice places that allow guests and don't charge. Don't ask.

If you book the double rate at La Dorado, you get one freebie per cycle, defined as from check-in to check out time. That should hold true at most properties but I have had to negotiate it once or twice.

After that it was somewhere around 50 mil COP per chica, I want to say 52 or maybe 46 or maybe it changed since I was there but close enough.

Depends on who's working the desk, depends on how busy they are, depends if they like you, depends if you tipped the security guy who stands next to the elevators, but I used to tell my girls to walk in like they owned the place and go directly to the elevators, don't make eye contact with the front desk, and do directly to my room. About 75% of them made it up without a charge, especially during the day. Depended on the chica, too. The more timid types folded quicker. The seasoned pros gave an attitude that intimidated the staff. Jaja, Secret never got stopped once because she knows how to look indignant, confident, and a little dangerous. Plus, she didn't give a shit if she was caught and that can be the difference.

There is also a bar on the roof and during the hours the rooftop bar is open the chicas can say they are going to the bar. Paranoid types still worry the front desk will track the girls on camera but in my experience, staff don't watch cameras.

With that said, I would tell my girls to get off the elevator one floor above or below my floor, as an extra precaution.

The worst thing that happens is you get caught and pay the joiner fee. Big deal. I was very open in a fun way with the front desk that I was going to try and sneak as many girls by as I could without paying and we enjoyed the cat and mouse. One guy behind the desk didn't think it was funny, but again, it's not like they are going to throw you out.

Shit, that's the same hotel where I got busted by the four cops brandishing guns in my room and La Dorado still welcomed me back the next morning even though the cops told me to change hotels. Fuck them.

The hotel never seemed to mind how many girls I had up in one cycle or at one time, which can be an issue at some hotels if you are seeing volume.

See, how I can always make a long answer out of anything? But there are a lot of pearls in these oysters, and now you know all my Dorado secrets about getting girls up to the room. When you see the kind of volume I do, those taco tariffs add up. Jajaja.

Know this, the take-home message from my getting busted there and bribing my way out was, it doesn't matter if the chica has a valid ID or if she really is over 18, that does not protect you if you are targeted. Keep that in mind if you like chicas in the 18 to mid-20's range like I do.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691039]I understand that the Hotel Dorado La 70 is chica friendly, but is there any extra chica fees to bring to the room.[/QUOTE]I did write that, it's usually 50 k for extra girl unless you booked double.

But. Last time I was there, not only I forgot to book double, I got away bringing two girls with no extra fees. The rec said just go ahead, you're good LOL.

Like every place sometimes it's worth building rapport and be friendly with people. I always talk to the receptionists / managers and always tip them. I also always leave a tip on the bed for the cleaning people, so I always smiles, info I need from anyone. There were many late nights when I'm entering they didn't even let me check in the girls, just a signal to go straight to elevator, especially when other people are waiting for help. Not recommended for everyone unless you trust the girls, since having their cedula pic taken or held protects you. But I'm not a typical monger. I even befriend cops, locals, etc. I do that in every country.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2690956]A lot of the girls used to congregate inside the park, so you would find them there. However, I always saw better options on the surrounding streets.[/QUOTE]So the girls who were in the park got displaced by construction but are probably still there and essentially the real action is outside and near the park.

The reason I even posted on a topic about which I had little direct experience was because I saw a well-meaning post from a newbie telling other mongers to stay away from Park Lleras (I don't even know if I am spelling that right) and I thought that was overkill. I would hate to see a guy alter his vacation plans because of that suggestion.

I may come across as self-absorbed and overly prolific here, but really I have my fellow monger's best interests in mind. We all are biased and get misguided at times.

I'll be back in my beloved Medellin soon. So far, so good at the set-ups that are supposedly falling in place, but in Medellin it's better not to plan. I was at the point during my last stay there that I literally did not plan a day ahead for months, I let each day form itself after I woke up, and Medellin did not disappoint.

You'll be fine try downloading an app and learning the basic stuff. I'm down here now and my Spanish is pretty much non existent. Some of the girls know basic English and they don't mind using translate either.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2691080]I have a trip planned for May and done pages and pages of RTFF at this forum. Have contacted several FB chicas too but am wondering if I should cancel the trip. I am finding it very hard to come across English speaking girls. Me espanol es muy malo! I can understand a bit but not enough to have a non-dirty conversation LOL.

Anyone have a referral / lead for me on an English-Speaking puta in Medellin? Or where to look? (besides just generally on FB) Prefer young and beautiful with natural tetas. Even contacts with 2-3 girls will be enough to salvage the trip. I just don't feel like travelling so far and have sex with women without being able to have some small talk at least.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Plan77;2691080]I have a trip planned for May and done pages and pages of RTFF at this forum. Have contacted several FB chicas too but am wondering if I should cancel the trip. I am finding it very hard to come across English speaking girls. Me espanol es muy malo! I can understand a bit but not enough to have a non-dirty conversation LOL.

Anyone have a referral / lead for me on an English-Speaking puta in Medellin? Or where to look? (besides just generally on FB) Prefer young and beautiful with natural tetas. Even contacts with 2-3 girls will be enough to salvage the trip. I just don't feel like travelling so far and have sex with women without being able to have some small talk at least.[/QUOTE]All us non-Spanish speakers started out the same way, lots of Google Translate, lots of waving arms and sign language, jaja. Sex is the universal language, and money makes it happen. Very few mongers including me are motivated enough to dedicate themselves to learning Spanish before they arrive. Jump in and get both your feet wet like most of did and that just makes it easier for the next time. This is one time when you don't want to defer gratification.

Don't underestimate the value of 3 X 5 cards with Spanish phrases you write on them. Anytime you write a question make sure it can be answered with a simple yes or no. Google Translate has a "save" feature that allows you quickly pull up your favorite phrases. I used to have seven or eight "go to" phrases saved. Practice saying them, and try to remember them before you pull them up each time and you may surprise yourself with how quickly you can get functional for sexual encounters.

English speaking sex workers are too rare to make that a practical choice. Instead concentrate on getting her into a sexual position where language is basically not necessary. I suggest you learn the words for, faster, slower, harder, softer, and you will have a good time, jajajaja. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2690956]A lot of the girls used to congregate inside the park, so you would find them there. However, I always saw better options on the surrounding streets.[/QUOTE]Walked around Lleras Park today and stopped at the construction trailer and talked with the Construction Superintendent regarding the activities and saw a rendering of what the Park will be like when completed. In essence they will be grading the terrain inside and instead of having as much open ground they will have more walking areas within the park than before, so more people can be inside the park. They are putting in a new drainage system along with a lot of new pavers.

As far as when it will be done, I was told at least six more months, and apparently there was a delay of few weeks but my Spanish wasn't good enough to fully understand what was the cause of delay, it sounded like a utility or something sub-surface needed to be re-routed to install the new sub-surface storm drain system.

So at six to seven months, the earliest would be September or October when it re-opens, but I'm not holding my breath.

Again they should of been doing this project a year ago, as it's going to be a while before the surrounding eateries are re-established and things get back to the way it was prior to the Pandemic.

There used to be a Cuban place on the downhill corner with good Mojitos and great Cuban beans that has recently re-opened as what looks like to now be a Hookah bar.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2691080]I have a trip planned for May and done pages and pages of RTFF at this forum. Have contacted several FB chicas too but am wondering if I should cancel the trip. I am finding it very hard to come across English speaking girls. Me espanol es muy malo! I can understand a bit but not enough to have a non-dirty conversation LOL.

Anyone have a referral / lead for me on an English-Speaking puta in Medellin? Or where to look? (besides just generally on FB) Prefer young and beautiful with natural tetas. Even contacts with 2-3 girls will be enough to salvage the trip. I just don't feel like travelling so far and have sex with women without being able to have some small talk at least.

Please PM me if you can help.

Muchas gracias![/QUOTE]I wouldn't let your lack of Spanish deter you from coming.

Lots of guys come down here not speaking Spanish and seem to survive, albeit it can be a challenge.

If your going to casa's and bars with girls not a problem as it's going to be a short time encounter so talking won't really matter.

And you should be able to do okay with the Fayboo girls using a translator.

Lots of advice here, especially by JB2 as to the things to say, and ask, and get totally clarified with the Fayboo girls if that is how you plan to monger.

The reality is very few people speak English in Colombia, and you might encounter some that speak English in Lleras, or other venues, but typically how it's handled here by the non-Spanish speaking mongers is that they use a translator on a phone.

I've seen this many times, and albeit there can be misunderstandings, most guys seem to do okay.

And unless you speak Spanish, small talk with these girls can be a waste of time, and won't last long so I wouldn't let this drive your decision as to whether or not to come.

I recently reactivated my FB account and updated some info. It's been a few years since I last used it as my main chica source. I added a bunch of new girls and it seems to me that the talent is more or less the same from before. I will have to dive into the FB pool soon and get my feet wet again.

Anyways, by accident I came across a few FB groups aptly named 'Medellin Expat & Tourist Info', 'Expats in Colombia', and 'GringoPaisas. ' I joined them just out of curiosity. And goddamn, I didn't realize everybody and their mama and baby mama have been visiting, returning, and living in Medellin the past few years and more are coming! I find many of the posts pretty entertaining and a bit refreshing to read about Medellin from the perspective of the non-mongering crowd. Also, there have been some posts about the recent rise in the robbing and drugging of gringos from Tinder girls. As long as these newbies stay and remain in the Poblado, Laureles, and Envigado areas, I'm all for it. The northern suburb doesn't seem to be discussed much and I'd like to keep it that way. One more thing, the peso is about to cross the 4,000 mark! Legoooooo hehe.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2691095]I did write that, it's usually 50 k for extra girl unless you booked double.

But. Last time I was there, not only I forgot to book double, I got away bringing two girls with no extra fees. The rec said just go ahead, you're good LOL.

Like every place sometimes it's worth building rapport and be friendly with people. I always talk to the receptionists / managers and always tip them. I also always leave a tip on the bed for the cleaning people, so I always smiles, info I need from anyone. There were many late nights when I'm entering they didn't even let me check in the girls, just a signal to go straight to elevator, especially when other people are waiting for help. Not recommended for everyone unless you trust the girls, since having their cedula pic taken or held protects you. But I'm not a typical monger. I even befriend cops, locals, etc. I do that in every country.[/QUOTE]What tip amount do you usually tip reception / managers?

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2690878]This FKK discussion is pretty interesting, it really demonstrates the polar opposites of mongers and what they look for.

For any monger who hasn't visited a FKK, I do strongly recommend the trip at least once. You pay an entry fee for full day and, in the better houses such as Golden Time, you get free roam when it comes to the food and alcohol (local beer only, but included in the price). And you are in the company of naked women the whole day, with access to jaccuzi, sauna and even porn cinema.

If that's what you look for in an experience, great. But the parties are largely mechanical. Yes, the women are stunning. I'd say approximately 90% are from Romania, so don't come expecting a harem of blonde haired, blue-eyed beauties. Also, don't expect any kind of GFE at all. If you are into GFE, you will almost certainly leave disappointed. But it is not impossible. Lots of locals visit on a weekly basis, so you are up against strong, local, regular competition.

But it is still quite an experience. For info, notable houses are Golden Time (daytime), Living Room, Oase, Sharks, Acapulco, and my personal favourite Babylon in Elsdorf. They were fun at the time, but there were also lots of frustrating experiences. As I get older, I place more value on GFE. But if you are still in a PSE phase, there's probably nowhere better.[/QUOTE]I believe GT always requires clothing / bikini etc.

Sharks and Oase for full nudity and yes its incredible.

It was just me one day in the pool with about 10 smoking 18 yo all nude playing with a beach ball in Oase.

How I wish I could fuck 100 putas in 1 day LOL.

Ahh but instead I just stayed 50 days LOL for my 50th bday.

The sex can be spa like "boring" but everything in Deutschland is superior.

It just took some patience, I had some awesome PSE BBFS include anal outdoor, anything is possible if you have any skills.

GT was magical, fucking on the bed in the garden during the serene afternoon.

Some truly mind blowing once in a lifetime experiences.

Many don't like the Romanians, but if you know how to find the good ones.

Some are the kindest most gentle feminine little putas on the planet (no ink, implants, babies or attitude).

GT on a summer weekday afternoon can be the closest we will ever see to heaven on earth!!

Hello board,

I'm thinking of going to Medellin in the next six months but am having a little problem with this forum's layout and finding questions. I'll ask some questions here and if there's a post or thread this is answered then if you could let me know where that is I'd really appreciate it.

I'll try not to ask too many questions at once and will break it up.

I'm looking to stay at a hotel / complex that has alright security, is guest friendly (multiple and no questions asked), and is near a good place to monger. For under $100 ideally.

One place mentioned was Poblado at Haven Suites.

Thanks for any responses, I appreciate it.

DSM.

My earlier post on 4/28/22 about guest fees.

The cycle the hotel uses to track you guest numbers is from check-out time to check-in time. Why is this important? For example, a morning wood visit that ends by 10 AM with check-out being at 1 PM, followed by an afternoon visit around 4 PM would be counted as one visit per cycle even though they both occurred on the same day. If you booked the double rate both would be free.

Conversely, after that same 4 PM visit, any chica who arrives before the 1 PM check-out time the next day, you are going to pay for because now you have seen two chicas during the same cycle.

If you are paying attention, then you should be wondering about the chicas you bang in between check-out and check-in times. Yes, that can get a little murky. This will also be the time when the relationships you have established with the hotel staff bubble up to the surface.

If you were a decent customer who (gasp) even tipped on occasion, then you can probably count this chica in the way that favors you the most. If you've been an Ugly American, then count on the hotel tallying the chica against you, if there's even a difference.

Also, I wrote 5. 000 mil COP for an example of the cheapest joiner fee I had seen, which should have been either 5.000 or 5 mil but not both which is redundant, and equal to $1.25 USD.

Did anyone hear about protests in Colombia? I have heard that they are celebrating one year anniversary of past protests and have multiple traffic jams, street closures. Last may, I was in Medellin and Bogota during protests and things were dangerous for foreigners. I am planning to visit in next two weeks, a feed back will be really helpful.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691234]Did anyone hear about protests in Colombia? I have heard that they are celebrating one year anniversary of past protests and have multiple traffic jams, street closures. Last may, I was in Medellin and Bogota during protests and things were dangerous for foreigners. I am planning to visit in next two weeks, a feed back will be really helpful.[/QUOTE]Don't know about them being dangerous to foreigners, but here in Bogota they were covering up the facades of the government buildings in expectation of the protests today. There were already a couple of buildings with splashes of green and red paint I guess from previous protests. The presidential election is 1 month away. The chick that I am with said the protesting these days is because the president is assisting the FARC.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691234]Did anyone hear about protests in Colombia? I have heard that they are celebrating one year anniversary of past protests and have multiple traffic jams, street closures.[/QUOTE]As someone who was nearly caught up in a protest today, here's my take. I wouldn't put too much worry into it, almost treat it like really bad weather. There's a small chance you'll get caught in it but if you just duck out of the way it'll pass and you'll only be mildly inconvenienced.

As I understand it, there are a protests going on in part due to the upcoming elections. In talking with someone who attended many of the protests, it was a fair number of younger people, with street vendors selling snacks and alcohol marching along too. Add in excessive amounts of alcohol and anything can happen. There are rumored to be instigators trying to start violence. Supposedly marchers are trying to quell any violence that might pop up.

Take it as you will.

If you're really concerned, you can wait until after the elections, but I wouldn't worry.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2690082]I was in Germany about four years ago and went to the FKK in Berlin, I forget the name, I'm sure you know it, and I paid something like 80 Euros for admission which didn't include partaking in the women. Quite a different experience for me as I was given a locker, sandals, and a robe in which to roam around in.

I walked out after about an hour not wanting to partake.

Just to organized and business like for my tastes and had decided to try an FKK so I could cross it off my mongering list.

I can see the allure of the FKK's for some, imagine as though your Hugh Hefner walking around in a robe in the Playboy Mansion with all those available women.[/QUOTE]I would never expect to hear this from you, where's your mongering work ethic? I didn't like it either at 1st, I read lots of bad advise, well in any case I persevered and it was worth it, so much so.

After 50 days, I flew back to Chicago and was going insane from withdrawal so after 2 weeks I flew right back for another month.

I suggest you give it another shot and stick with the western half of Deutschland, that's where its really at, and whatever you do make sure you hit it.

When everyone is walking around naked and in the pool outside, June July Aug and avoid Berlin.

And avoid winter no matter what.

Somewhere on this ever-widening board (do we really need so many categories for one city? Jajaja) I just posted about not over-planning in MDE, plans change, etc. Well my number one motivator for my rapid return, Nymphette tells me she got kicked out of Hotel Puta Central for non-payment. She asked me several times to send her money and I refused. One way I can tell she's on the fresh side of P4 P is that she told me that she did not want to go down to Ground Zero and make money the "ugly" way. Two years ago that would've gotten some money out of me but not now.

When I asked her how can she get a new hotel if she didn't have money for the old hotel she said she was too far behind on the old hotel bill to catch-up. Believable, and I have heard that story many times. A lot of these chicas float between cheap hotels and boarding rooms and stretch out their stays as long as they can before they get kicked out for non-payment, then wash, rinse, repeat.

Anywho, she still sounds very keen on getting together and maybe the silver lining is I would have run into too many other chicas I already knew at Hotel Puta Central, so a fresh start is not so bad. Plus, I could still try to finagle my way back in to Hotel Puta but that's probably not a good idea without an invite. I am a proponent of as much honesty as possible, and Nymphette already asked me if I would see her and only her this upcoming visit. Not bloodly likely, but I promised to see her first.

This is one example where the List comes in handy. I reminded her of her position on my List, and that I would definitely be seeing other girls on the List especially those above her, and that she made it on the List faster than anyone I can remember in recent history. Believe it or not, this made her happy and kept the peace.

I am not so delusional to believe it's love that motivates her, although I am sure she likes me more than the average monger. Any P4P chica, broaden that to just about any chica in MDE, once you have shown anything more than a passing interest in them, they believe every peso you spend on anyone else should be going into her pockets, not someone else's. They will give you the feeling it's about love, and there certainly can be some attraction going on or developing at the same time. Mainly, they can't stand the thought of you spending even one peso on another chica. I guess that's one reason guys don't repeat on girls.

I will keep you guys posted because I do believe there is value to some of this info, it's fun, and I bet the situation changes into something not even on my radar by the time I get there, which is why I often say, Keep On Keepin' On.

Random Gratuitous Fotos. Someone mentioned protests, that foto was from one year ago, today. Last foto, Purrfekt Piel again, pre-pregnant state. Dayumm that chica has a hot body and great skills. I thought about marrying her once or twice, for a total of two seconds. Jajajajaa, not yet. I still have a lot of mongering to get out of my system. I will never stop, it is just a matter of degree and who can put up with me.

Hello HappyShiva.

I will be landing on the 11th afternoon. Have not booked a hotel yet.

Did you pick a hotel yet?

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691018]Any one traveling to Medellin between May 9th until 19 please contact me, we can get together and go for beer. Stayin at San Peters, Laureles or Dorado 70.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2691187]What tip amount do you usually tip reception / managers?[/QUOTE]Oh wow man what a great question!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2691089]TThe worst thing that happens is you get caught and pay the joiner fee. Big deal. I was very open in a fun way with the front desk that I was going to try and sneak as many girls by as I could without paying and we enjoyed the cat and mouse. One guy behind the desk didn't think it was funny, but again, it's not like they are going to throw you out.

Shit, that's the same hotel where I got busted by the four cops brandishing guns in my room and La Dorado still welcomed me back the next morning even though the cops told me to change hotels. Fuck them.

Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]But the balcony from the top floor was terrific. I might have been the only gringo that night. Old school Medellin politicians everywhere.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691234]Did anyone hear about protests in Colombia? I have heard that they are celebrating one year anniversary of past protests and have multiple traffic jams, street closures. Last may, I was in Medellin and Bogota during protests and things were dangerous for foreigners. I am planning to visit in next two weeks, a feed back will be really helpful.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't sweat this, the protests compared to last year have been very low key.

I arrived in Medellin just before midnight Tuesday and my #1 was waiting with her sister to drive us back to Medellin. By the time we got to her house and settled in it was 1 am. After I showered we headed to bed and after some "I'm happy to see you" sex and the required clean up we went to sleep.

The following morning, after correcting the confusion about when her sister was going to take us to the airport, while she was getting ready, I sat down to wait. That's when one of her cats decided I was his new best friend. Damn thing apparently preferred being dirty to getting hairballs. Downright nasty smelling cat.

Although traffic was bad and her sister was fashionably late, we made it with plenty of time to spare. Today is our last full day at the beach and we're waiting for a tour, by boat, up one of the rivers. Tomorrow afternoon we'll be back in Medellin. It's been a good trip, although I'm worn out from yesterday's hike. However, I'm not too tired to enjoy the best part of this trip.

Currently in MDE and I'm with group of about 9, having a hard time finding places to accommodate all of us. We went to Phase II last night any other recommendations or similar?

I am planning my first mongering trip. Is July 4th weekend a good time to travel to Colombia? Tickets and hotels are slightly more expensive, but nothing too bad.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2691427]IDownright nasty smelling cat.[/QUOTE]This is as good as anytime to mention something I haven't seen discussed here in a while. These Medellin chicas have the cleanest pussies on the planet. They are obsessed with it. Of course there are always exceptions to any generalization, but in this case not many. In all my encounters in Colombia, one time, once, after we started sex, I asked a girl to jump in the shower because she was borderline too funky. She had a fulltime sweatshop sort of job and came to see me after work. She didn't have a gross, fishy or ill smell, just a little too sweaty. She took zero offense to a quick French Douche which is when they jump in the shower mainly just to wash their pussy, see first foto.

I heard the Romanians were just as clean but I don't have any direct experience. These girls are waaaaay cleaner than the average girlfriend sex I would have back in the USA.

I can't guess a number, but the majority of P4 P girls will want to take a quick "ducha" or shower before sex. Have you ever thought a chica was wasting your time in the shower to chew up the clock? They are! At least some have told me they will do that if for whatever reason they decide to minimize the skin to skin time with you, the mongerer. I am not saying it's a conspiracy but stand up for your rights! I also don't let them lock the bathroom door and if I want to watch them in the shower, I watch, or more.

All fotos are bathroom shots. The "leg up" is the classic "French Douche". The two blowjobs you may recall were in my dentist's office bathroom at the Mayorca Mall, a few minutes apart. The chicas were Numbero Dos Scarlet and Numero Tres Soft Swirl. Jajaja, they loved and did not hesitate. Fourth foto is Number One Catgirl and her novia, Cricket at The Nutti. Then the next two fotos are Catgirl grooming our dog in La Dorado's bathroom, jaja. The Vennie flipping the bird is the one who set me up for the sting with the cops at La Dorado. I guess she was trying to tell me something, basically, "You're fucked"! Jajajajaaa.

I made a new FB page and a fellow member gave me a couple of links to FB pages with P4P girls on them, but when I try to add them as friends or message them FB tells me I don't know them and won't let me add or contact them. Anyone have any advice on how to do this that they would like to share?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2691270]I would never expect to hear this from you, where's your mongering work ethic? I didn't like it either at 1st, I read lots of bad advise, well in any case I persevered and it was worth it, so much so.

After 50 days, I flew back to Chicago and was going insane from withdrawal so after 2 weeks I flew right back for another month.

I suggest you give it another shot and stick with the western half of Deutschland, that's where its really at, and whatever you do make sure you hit it.

When everyone is walking around naked and in the pool outside, June July Aug and avoid Berlin.

And avoid winter no matter what.[/QUOTE]Honestly I won't be giving an FKK a second shot, just not my cup of tea.

And my "mongering work ethic" was alive and well in Berlin, I did some have some good experiences at two small brothels.

As far as Europe in winter, no way Jose.

Although I won't be going back to an FKK, anyone who happens to be in Germany should go to a FKK just to experience it.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2691427]I arrived in Medellin just before midnight Tuesday and my #1 was waiting with her sister to drive us back to Medellin. By the time we got to her house and settled in it was 1 am. After I showered we headed to bed and after some "I'm happy to see you" sex and the required clean up we went to sleep.

The following morning, after correcting the confusion about when her sister was going to take us to the airport, while she was getting ready, I sat down to wait. That's when one of her cats decided I was his new best friend. Damn thing apparently preferred being dirty to getting hairballs. Downright nasty smelling cat.

Although traffic was bad and her sister was fashionably late, we made it with plenty of time to spare. Today is our last full day at the beach and we're waiting for a tour, by boat, up one of the rivers. Tomorrow afternoon we'll be back in Medellin. It's been a good trip, although I'm worn out from yesterday's hike. However, I'm not too tired to enjoy the best part of this trip.[/QUOTE]Which beach are you at?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2691515]Which beach are you at?[/QUOTE]Playa El Almejal. I'll be giving a full report in Other Areas once I'm back in Medellin. There's a place a 5 minute walk from my cabin which offers surfing lessons and rents boards. The waves aren't big, but they have a nice regular break to them.

[QUOTE=Sandip179;2691437]I am planning my first mongering trip. Is July 4th weekend a good time to travel to Colombia? Tickets and hotels are slightly more expensive, but nothing too bad.[/QUOTE]Medellin Colombia is full man. Lately I notice lots and lots of new members joining, like seriously never seen so many newb questions LOL. Damn is the Matrix getting worse and worse?

So Medellin is full at capacity for now, go to the DR instead LOL. Just kidding LMAO. The answer is everyday is a good day to go to Colombia bro. Like for real! My boy went this week and I couldn't tag along so I'm actually booking for 1st week of July as well 9-10 days.

It depends how dirty you want to get, but Ejecutiva in El Centro could seat all of you, La Isla as well.

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;2691434]Currently in MDE and I'm with group of about 9, having a hard time finding places to accommodate all of us. We went to Phase II last night any other recommendations or similar?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ProfessorOak;2691434]Currently in MDE and I'm with group of about 9, having a hard time finding places to accommodate all of us. We went to Phase II last night any other recommendations or similar?[/QUOTE]I'd suggest Grille Nueva in el centro. It's across the street on the north side of Plaza Botero. Usually has some hot young chicas de Venezuela in there. Or as Chicago85 suggested Club La Isla if you want to go high end meaning very expensive drinks and paying like 320 mil pesos for 45 minutes of covered everything sex

I will write a full report of this trips activities but wanted to report on one particular experience that just happened. It has been said many times before, there are many different ways to monger. Some like the bargain basement of el centro, some like searching FB, seeking, tinder or hitting the casas or strip clubs. I stick to mostly Seeking and my parameters are all natural, if a chica has fake tits, ass, lips or tattoos it's a huge turn off. I look for the girl next door wholesome type of beauty.

This trip I found a beautiful all-natural chica on seeking who checked all the boxes! Spoke English, perfect body (very active lifestyle) university student who also works at a bank and started 2 online businesses. I hit the jackpot again, another unicorn! We quickly exchange pleasantries on the site and switch over to WhatsApp. I invite her out for dinner and drinks and say if we like each other, we can head back to my hotel after. Then she drops a bomb shell and says "if you want me to go to your hotel it will be 1,500 MIL! Yes, you read that right 1,500,000 pesos! I said whoa that's too much nobody would ever pay that much! I countered at 500 MIL. She just replied "no". I countered again with the best I can do is 700 MIL. She responded back with "no". I said no one is going to pay that price if you change your mind reach out to me.

I proceeded to go through my seeking pipeline, one or two dates a day, a lot of adventures that I will discuss in my next post. A week goes by and I was still thinking of my unicorn, couldn't believe she rejected my 700 offer and didn't text me back after the failed negotiations. I decided to try again, I sent her a text that I was upping my offer to 1,000 MIL. She said she was excited to meet me and would meet for dinner, but her tuition is very high, and she has a few other bills so she can only go for 1,500 MIL. I'm just laughing to myself a week later and she is still holding firm.

I capitulate and say ok, you win, here is the plan. I am going to pay your price of 1,500,000 pesos. I want you to spend the night and I want a complete girlfriend experience with everything natural. I want as many rounds as I can go and I don't want to hear that you are tired. Also, I want you to wake me up in the morning and give me a BJ before you leave. She said ok that sounds perfect but I need to see recent test results for natural. Told her not a problem, I have all my test. (I always get the Labcorp 10 panel test a few days before I arrive and again 2 weeks after I get back home). We set the meeting for Thursday night.

We meet at Nacionsushi, she is looking fantastic, we have a nice dinner, great convo lots of laughs, chemistry is strong. We head back to the Marriott (great hotel but the prices are getting out of control). As soon as we get into the room we start going at it, so much built up tension we are kissing and ripping each other's clothes off. She stops the action and ask to see my test results, I pull them up and show her. She reads everything for a few minutes and I'm like are you ok, any questions? She said perfect, starts kissing me again.

We move to the couch, and she gets on her knees and starts a slow BBBJ with the perfect ratio of mouth, tongue and hand movements. She looks up at me with those brown eyes and ask if it feels ok, I tell her she is doing amazing. It was feeling too good, and I had to stop her before I popped early. I then proceeded to lick every inch of her body. Her body was perfect, great tits and ass. After the visual and finger test of her love box which had a perfect smell, I spent a lot of time down there licking, fingering and licking some more until she had her first orgasm. I give her a minute to enjoy her high before we start kissing and I get in missionary and slip it in natural. I go for about 5 minutes before its too much and I tell her I'm about to cum and she proceeds to wrap her legs around me and grab my ass and pull me deeper inside of her. Her reaction was so hot and unexpected, I blow deep deep inside of her the contractions feel like a wave of euphoria. We continue to embrace I stay inside of her for another few minutes, it is amazing, it felt like I was in a cloud.

We take a long hot shower and she drops again to her knees and gives me another wonderful BBBJ. It's taking me a while to recover from round 1 so I stop her and we continue to soap each other up and kiss and hug. Back to the bed for some Netflix and small talk. Once I recovered I began to lick her body again this time I head to her beautiful ass, licking and getting her ready for fun. After some foreplay I grab my lube and make sure everything is lubed up before slowly inserting her ass. She is making this sexy breathing noise and the whole situation gets me ready to burst so I stop and do self-imposed edging until I can't hold it any more and blow inside of her ass. We head back to the shower and then back to the bed before passing out with the tv and lights still on. I wake up in the middle of the night to turn everything off and look over at her beautiful face and just smile myself back to sleep.

In the morning, true to her word my unicorn woke up and started giving me a BBBJ while I was still half asleep. I started to feel a deep connection to her like damn I'm in love, haha! I pulled her up on top of me and slowly slid in. Nice slow movements up and down, she then put her hands on my chest and started to control the rhythm before going faster and faster before we both couldn't take it anymore and released together, another blast of my soldiers deep inside her. Another shower and then she got dressed for work. I paid the agreed upon charge. We kissed and hugged goodbye and I said I would see her soon.

Final thoughts. She was worth every single peso, I will see her again, can't make her a regular until she drops the price, but I need that experience again. One of the best experiences I have had in all my trips to Colombia.

Happy Hunting.

[QUOTE=Sandip179;2691437]I am planning my first mongering trip. Is July 4th weekend a good time to travel to Colombia? Tickets and hotels are slightly more expensive, but nothing too bad.[/QUOTE]I would check if there are any Colombian holidays. I went during a primary voting week and the weekend was dry (No alcohol sales) and there were significantly less ladies.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;2691664]

I capitulate and say ok, you win, here is the plan. I am going to pay your price of 1,500,000 pesos. I want you to spend the night and I want a complete girlfriend experience with everything natural. I want as many rounds as I can go and I don't want to hear that you are tired. Also, I want you to wake me up in the morning and give me a BJ before you leave. She said ok that sounds perfect but I need to see recent test results for natural. Told her not a problem, I have all my test. (I always get the Labcorp 10 panel test a few days before I arrive and again 2 weeks after I get back home). We set the meeting for Thursday night.
.[/QUOTE]Hey man, glad you had a great time. And while you my get a bunch of guys whining about you paying too much or you are going to ruin everything and blablabla. Don't even worry about it, you do you. If you were satisfied with her service and ok with what you paid for it than that's all that matters.

I usually pay a little more than the average because I can and don't like to haggle over a few dollars. Believe me I have spent a lot more to get a lot less that what you got. And finding an all natural gem in Colombia is harder than you might think. It feels like just about every girl has if not some kind a ink on her, or they have something done something to themselves. Its not really a big deal to me but if natural is a must for you than its definitely more work to find a gem like the one you found. Anyway great report and keep the fun going!

[QUOTE=Sandip179;2691437]I am planning my first mongering trip. Is July 4th weekend a good time to travel to Colombia? Tickets and hotels are slightly more expensive, but nothing too bad.[/QUOTE]Probably the only month not to visit MDE due to high expenses is during the month of August. It is when the Feria de las Flores takes center stage.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;2691664]Final thoughts. She was worth every single peso, I will see her again, can't make her a regular until she drops the price, but I need that experience again. One of the best experiences I have had in all my trips to Colombia.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]She stuck to her guns and I respect that too. The hallmark of a good deal is when both parties are happy, and sounds like you both were very much so.

There will always be guys here who don't understand that payment has nothing to do with setting the price in any free market. Price is set by supply & demand, so you, not anyone, is "hurting" the scene in Medellin by whatever you pay. Payment and price are two separate concepts. So any criticism levied in your direction from that stance is coming from ignorance, and to be ignored.

She sounded exceptional and worth the extra money. Another pitfall guys do is they quickly forget what they would be paying for the same experience back here in Pussy Prison otherwise known as the USA. These same guys focus on what the money is worth to the chica instead of what it is worth to themselves. Why should anyone care what the amount you pay is worth to the chica? That is 100% irrelevant unless that person is some kind of judgmental control freak who likes to impose values and culture on other people. The only standard that matters is fair market value and you can layer onto that what the amount feels intrinsically worth to you, not the chica. Then you can go over or under that amount depending on the situation. You get it, I can tell.

Finally, I wouldn't be surprised if someday you catch her at a moment of need when she does indeed drop her price.

Keep on Keepin' On!

Random Gratuitous Fotos. I have my reservations for my return flight in 2 weeks. The fotos of the sweeper and the building, top floor on the right, is Scarlet's apartment where at this point, I also hope to be staying and filling with chicas. Her rent for a 4 BR 1 be apartment in a nice "middle class" barrio of Medellin is less than $150 per month and she has been there since she was a small child.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;2691664]I will write a full report of this trips activities but wanted to report on one particular experience that just happened. It has been said many times before, there are many different ways to monger. Some like the bargain basement of el centro, some like searching FB, seeking, tinder or hitting the casas or strip clubs. I stick to mostly Seeking and my parameters are all natural, if a chica has fake tits, ass, lips or tattoos it's a huge turn off. I look for the girl next door wholesome type of beauty.

This trip I found a beautiful all-natural chica on seeking who checked all the boxes! Spoke English, perfect body (very active lifestyle) university student who also works at a bank and started 2 online businesses. I hit the jackpot again, another unicorn! We quickly exchange pleasantries on the site and switch over to WhatsApp. I invite her out for dinner and drinks and say if we like each other, we can head back to my hotel after. Then she drops a bomb shell and says "if you want me to go to your hotel it will be 1,500 MIL! Yes, you read that right 1,500,000 pesos! I said whoa that's too much nobody would ever pay that much! I countered at 500 MIL. She just replied "no". I countered again with the best I can do is 700 MIL. She responded back with "no". I said no one is going to pay that price if you change your mind reach out to me.

I proceeded to go through my seeking pipeline, one or two dates a day, a lot of adventures that I will discuss in my next post. A week goes by and I was still thinking of my unicorn, couldn't believe she rejected my 700 offer and didn't text me back after the failed negotiations. I decided to try again, I sent her a text that I was upping my offer to 1,000 MIL. She said she was excited to meet me and would meet for dinner, but her tuition is very high, and she has a few other bills so she can only go for 1,500 MIL. I'm just laughing to myself a week later and she is still holding firm.

I capitulate and say ok, you win, here is the plan. I am going to pay your price of 1,500,000 pesos. I want you to spend the night and I want a complete girlfriend experience with everything natural. I want as many rounds as I can go and I don't want to hear that you are tired. Also, I want you to wake me up in the morning and give me a BJ before you leave. She said ok that sounds perfect but I need to see recent test results for natural. Told her not a problem, I have all my test. (I always get the Labcorp 10 panel test a few days before I arrive and again 2 weeks after I get back home). We set the meeting for Thursday night.

We meet at Nacionsushi, she is looking fantastic, we have a nice dinner, great convo lots of laughs, chemistry is strong. We head back to the Marriott (great hotel but the prices are getting out of control). As soon as we get into the room we start going at it, so much built up tension we are kissing and ripping each other's clothes off. She stops the action and ask to see my test results, I pull them up and show her. She reads everything for a few minutes and I'm like are you ok, any questions? She said perfect, starts kissing me again.

We move to the couch, and she gets on her knees and starts a slow BBBJ with the perfect ratio of mouth, tongue and hand movements. She looks up at me with those brown eyes and ask if it feels ok, I tell her she is doing amazing. It was feeling too good, and I had to stop her before I popped early. I then proceeded to lick every inch of her body. Her body was perfect, great tits and ass. After the visual and finger test of her love box which had a perfect smell, I spent a lot of time down there licking, fingering and licking some more until she had her first orgasm. I give her a minute to enjoy her high before we start kissing and I get in missionary and slip it in natural. I go for about 5 minutes before its too much and I tell her I'm about to cum and she proceeds to wrap her legs around me and grab my ass and pull me deeper inside of her. Her reaction was so hot and unexpected, I blow deep deep inside of her the contractions feel like a wave of euphoria. We continue to embrace I stay inside of her for another few minutes, it is amazing, it felt like I was in a cloud.

We take a long hot shower and she drops again to her knees and gives me another wonderful BBBJ. It's taking me a while to recover from round 1 so I stop her and we continue to soap each other up and kiss and hug. Back to the bed for some Netflix and small talk. Once I recovered I began to lick her body again this time I head to her beautiful ass, licking and getting her ready for fun. After some foreplay I grab my lube and make sure everything is lubed up before slowly inserting her ass. She is making this sexy breathing noise and the whole situation gets me ready to burst so I stop and do self-imposed edging until I can't hold it any more and blow inside of her ass. We head back to the shower and then back to the bed before passing out with the tv and lights still on. I wake up in the middle of the night to turn everything off and look over at her beautiful face and just smile myself back to sleep.

In the morning, true to her word my unicorn woke up and started giving me a BBBJ while I was still half asleep. I started to feel a deep connection to her like damn I'm in love, haha! I pulled her up on top of me and slowly slid in. Nice slow movements up and down, she then put her hands on my chest and started to control the rhythm before going faster and faster before we both couldn't take it anymore and released together, another blast of my soldiers deep inside her. Another shower and then she got dressed for work. I paid the agreed upon charge. We kissed and hugged goodbye and I said I would see her soon.

Final thoughts. She was worth every single peso, I will see her again, can't make her a regular until she drops the price, but I need that experience again. One of the best experiences I have had in all my trips to Colombia.

Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]That sounds awesome. Well worth the price if she is a 10. I have had a few incredible nights with SA girls in Latin America. Semi pros are the bomb. What's the deal on bringing girls into the Marriott?

[QUOTE=Sandip179;2691437]I am planning my first mongering trip. Is July 4th weekend a good time to travel to Colombia? Tickets and hotels are slightly more expensive, but nothing too bad.[/QUOTE]July fourth is a North American holiday and you probably will not hear a word about it while in Medellin. I would be surprised if anything was more expensive in MDE because of July Fourth, I suppose it's possible as a reflection of available holiday travel time from the USA. July Fourth is on a Monday this year which makes it a natural long weekend, but I dunno, a natural time to visit MDE from the USA?

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2691191]I believe GT always requires clothing / bikini etc.

Sharks and Oase for full nudity and yes its incredible.

It was just me one day in the pool with about 10 smoking 18 yo all nude playing with a beach ball in Oase.

How I wish I could fuck 100 putas in 1 day LOL.

Ahh but instead I just stayed 50 days LOL for my 50th bday.

The sex can be spa like "boring" but everything in Deutschland is superior.

It just took some patience, I had some awesome PSE BBFS include anal outdoor, anything is possible if you have any skills.

GT was magical, fucking on the bed in the garden during the serene afternoon.

Some truly mind blowing once in a lifetime experiences.

Many don't like the Romanians, but if you know how to find the good ones.

Some are the kindest most gentle feminine little putas on the planet (no ink, implants, babies or attitude).

GT on a summer weekday afternoon can be the closest we will ever see to heaven on earth!![/QUOTE]This I agree with, at least from the experiences I have had. GT, PHG, and The Palace in Frankfurt have provided me undoubtedly some of the best experiences of my life. It's been five years. I could arrive in the morning and stay until they close. Beer, food, ladies, comfort, relaxing, spa amenities. Unreal experience and I had some excellent girls.

First time logging in for a while. Bringing a friend and I don't want to trudge to every casa in Centro. I would prefer the best four or five dependables. Can you please give me an update or recommendations on which casas are the best at the moment? I can't even remember which casas in centro were good two years ago.

I know one in Laureles as well as Energy. I have heard Belen has a few but I do not know names or address. I remember searching google for massage parlor in Poblado and there were a couple of locations but the names had not been discussed before on the forum. I'm looking on google and see Zen, Tantra, even Spa Lleras (Any information would be appreciated and feel free to PM.

Is the trip to Loutron's worth consideration? Well, obviously worth consideration. But in your opinion is it likely to be disappointing or would we expect the girls to be at another level, even if overpriced? I just want to be able to let my buddy experience something exceptional and sometimes the standard MPs are just okay, nothing to write home about. Thinking about La Isla one night.

EDIT: Found the map and chica list. That will help.

I will read the board when I have more time. Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2692093]First time logging in for a while. Bringing a friend and I don't want to trudge to every casa in Centro. I would prefer the best four or five dependables. Can you please give me an update or recommendations on which casas are the best at the moment? I can't even remember which casas in centro were good two years ago.

I know one in Laureles as well as Energy. I have heard Belen has a few but I do not know names or address. I remember searching google for massage parlor in Poblado and there were a couple of locations but the names had not been discussed before on the forum. I'm looking on google and see Zen, Tantra, even Spa Lleras (Any information would be appreciated and feel free to PM.

Is the trip to Loutron's worth consideration? Well, obviously worth consideration. But in your opinion is it likely to be disappointing or would we expect the girls to be at another level, even if overpriced? I just want to be able to let my buddy experience something exceptional and sometimes the standard MPs are just okay, nothing to write home about. Thinking about La Isla one night..[/QUOTE]In Laureles, I would recommend Fantasias Energy. The facility is clean, well maintained. There are always at least 10 girls, with a variety of body types, ages, and ethnicities. I like how they all wear sexy lingerie and stripe down in front of you during the parade. Especially that they take their time to show you their bodies, turn around so you can see them in 360. It's one of the sexist things a man in Medellin can do. Tantra is where I would go on a Sunday as they are one of the few places that open on Sundays.

In Centro, my go to place is New Life. 20 girls of all kinds, a manager who speaks English and pays after according to the time spent. I know a girl lives about 10 blocks east of New Life, and every time I see her, I stop in NL just to watch the parade. It does costs 4 k cop if you don't pick one to session, but for $1 I think it's money well spent.

Loutron is definitely a guarantee of having 8's or 9's to choose from, so if money is not a consideration and you want a pretty face, a trip to Loutron will satisfy your desires.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2692090]This I agree with, at least from the experiences I have had. GT, PHG, and The Palace in Frankfurt have provided me undoubtedly some of the best experiences of my life. It's been five years. I could arrive in the morning and stay until they close. Beer, food, ladies, comfort, relaxing, spa amenities. Unreal experience and I had some excellent girls.[/QUOTE]Which ones are GT and PHG? Did you like Sharks?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2692093]I know one in Laureles as well as Energy. I have heard Belen has a few but I do not know names or address. I remember searching google for massage parlor in Poblado and there were a couple of locations but the names had not been discussed before on the forum. I'm looking on google and see Zen, Tantra, even Spa Lleras (Any information would be appreciated and feel free to PM.

Is the trip to Loutron's worth consideration? Well, obviously worth consideration. But in your opinion is it likely to be disappointing or would we expect the girls to be at another level, even if overpriced?[/QUOTE]The owner of Loutron also owns Abydos which is a massage / sex parlor on Avenida 33. Same level of women, but about half the price. Loutron has women that are taller, run way models, at higher prices. Abydos has more girls from the country, over all shorter, but more enthusiastic and affectionate.

I was just informed everything is ready. The attached photo has the WhatsApp and email contact information. She has a catalog of the available women she can send.

If you think it's too expensive, or a dumb idea, or anything else, that's fine. If you're interested in setting something up, contact them. I have no involvement other than posting the information.

I can tell you that the woman running it is someone I trust, and there are very few women in Medellin who I can say that about.

Checked in at my hotel in Envigado, I'm quite impressed with the room. I don't know about guest access yet, but I have contingency plans. The next 5 days will mostly be spent with my #1 and #2 girls. #1 has been with me since she picked me up at the airport Tuesday night and she's been great.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2692128]I was just informed everything is ready. The attached photo has the WhatsApp and email contact information. She has a catalog of the available women she can send.

If you think it's too expensive, or a dumb idea, or anything else, that's fine. If you're interested in setting something up, contact them. I have no involvement other than posting the information.

I can tell you that the woman running it is someone I trust, and there are very few women in Medellin who I can say that about.[/QUOTE]For regular P4P, 300 mil COP is the standard rate for 3 hours, albeit also the transition point for overnight, but look at all the extras you are getting with this service. Love the costume choices. I hope this venture is a success. I may put my nail clippers in the safe and try it myself, jaja.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2692116]The owner of Loutron also owns Abydos which is a massage / sex parlor on Avenida 33. Same level of women, but about half the price. Loutron has women that are taller, run way models, at higher prices. Abydos has more girls from the country, over all shorter, but more enthusiastic and affectionate.[/QUOTE]Super convenient. Thanks.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2692106]In Laureles, I would recommend Fantasias Energy. The facility is clean, well maintained. There are always at least 10 girls, with a variety of body types, ages, and ethnicities. I like how they all wear sexy lingerie and stripe down in front of you during the parade. Especially that they take their time to show you their bodies, turn around so you can see them in 360. It's one of the sexist things a man in Medellin can do. Tantra is where I would go on a Sunday as they are one of the few places that open on Sundays.
In Centro, my go to place is New Life. 20 girls of all kinds, a manager who speaks English and pays after according to the time spent. I know a girl lives about 10 blocks east of New Life, and every time I see her, I stop in NL just to watch the parade. It does costs 4 k cop if you don't pick one to session, but for $1 I think it's money well spent.
Loutron is definitely a guarantee of having 8's or 9's to choose from, so if money is not a consideration and you want a pretty face, a trip to Loutron will satisfy your desires.[/QUOTE]I will hit Energy and will stop in Tantra, and New Life for sure. I do not mind paying a dollar to see the girls at Energy and New Life. Who cares, right? I believe the reason I paid $3k last time in Energy was that they gave me a bottle of water and I didn't take a girl. But still, who cares.

Does anyone know more or less the price of girls in Loutrons?

I'm going to whatsapp JJBee's maid service to see if they will send photos of the girls.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2692111]Which ones are GT and PHG? Did you like Sharks?[/QUOTE]Golden Time & Planet Happy Garden in Oedt. Never tried Sharks. After a few trips I tried to keep it simple instead of roaming all over so GT / PHG / The Palace were my three. People used to beware of The Palace but I cannot express how good that venue was for me.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2692116]The owner of Loutron also owns Abydos which is a massage / sex parlor on Avenida 33. Same level of women, but about half the price. Loutron has women that are taller, run way models, at higher prices. Abydos has more girls from the country, over all shorter, but more enthusiastic and affectionate.[/QUOTE]Loutron is not "runway models" but a silicone convention, some to the point of cartoonish. Any perception of "taller" likely relates to higher heels.

Just returned to Medellin yesterday. Settled in my new studio apt. Did a ton of shopping today, food, pillows and body wipes. Will try to hit Energy tomorrow and maybe casas in centro on Wednesday. What are some fun activities you have in mind this week?

BTW, mask mandate has been dropped, hotties in malls are showing their faces again. Medellin is back!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2690287]
The "studio" was simply a detached house that did not stand out in a residential neighborhood. They would not let me inside. I had to pass the Mama-San's visual inspection before she would let Rita come outside. I spoke almost no Spanish back then in 2019.
[/QUOTE]What kind of visual inspection did she do? Did you have to take your clothes off?

Glad to know about Abydos. I had thought it had long gone out of business. I used to frequent that place 15-17 years ago when it was the feeder program to Loutron (which was at that time up the hill a few blocks from the Mansion and Castillo). One of the best chicas I've ever had was in Abydos. She was young. Played basketball in HS, so she was a bit taller with a great body. Back then there was no such thing as FB and Whatsapp, so never saw her again. I'll have to give it a try. Back then, it was just a higher level of casa (close to Miel and Canela, which was lower end, but a great place to go if you wanted anal). They did not "advertise" themselves as a spa (which is what I found when I Googled them). Glad to know they offer real services beyond what's on the website. I might give it a try. Thanks.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2692116]The owner of Loutron also owns Abydos which is a massage / sex parlor on Avenida 33. Same level of women, but about half the price. Loutron has women that are taller, run way models, at higher prices. Abydos has more girls from the country, over all shorter, but more enthusiastic and affectionate.[/QUOTE]

I didn't see it in my Sent Folder, so my bad.

No strip search. Mama-San was being appropriately protective of her Web cam models and did not want to let Rita exit the studio until Mama-San looked me over. I didn't speak any Spanish at the time. Meaningless gesture really for all she knew I could've been a serial killer who was a really good actor (TBT or Ted Bundy-Type), but I guess the color of my aura was the right shade of fuschia because she let Rita leave with me.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2692249]What kind of visual inspection did she do? Did you have to take your clothes off?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2692090]This I agree with, at least from the experiences I have had. GT, PHG, and The Palace in Frankfurt have provided me undoubtedly some of the best experiences of my life. It's been five years. I could arrive in the morning and stay until they close. Beer, food, ladies, comfort, relaxing, spa amenities. Unreal experience and I had some excellent girls.[/QUOTE]Wake up at hotel go to GT have chef make me some awesome breakfast, then start the hunt.

Have lunch, hit the jacuzzi maybe the sauna, maybe a nap in the garden.

Have dinner relax and chill, everyday.

Rinse and repeat next day, next day same, next day same.

The guys that live around there really have the best lives!!

Ahh If only I could live in Bruggen or even Darmstadt or Freidrichsdorf.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2692128]I was just informed everything is ready. The attached photo has the WhatsApp and email contact information. She has a catalog of the available women she can send.

If you think it's too expensive, or a dumb idea, or anything else, that's fine. If you're interested in setting something up, contact them. I have no involvement other than posting the information.

I can tell you that the woman running it is someone I trust, and there are very few women in Medellin who I can say that about.[/QUOTE]Can you post the website or social media link? - I can't open the attachment.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2691897]July fourth is a North American holiday and you probably will not hear a word about it while in Medellin. [/QUOTE]July 4, 2022 is Feast of Saint Peter and Saint Paul, which is a national holiday in Colombia. That may have an impact on P4P because many chicas will have a three day weekend with their families.

I have never met this chica face to face yet. She is a Web cam model.

I recently posted to JimBo about how being empathetic and acknowledging chicas' difficulties can go a long way toward keeping them happy, even when you don't give or send them money. This scenario is a little different because she is not on my List or an established novia, but the principles are the same.

The Whassap dialogue below is a great example.

The irony is when you read or listen to these chicas, sometimes they seem to be asking for money, when really they are not. Like females all over the world, sometimes all they want is a sympathetic ear. Not advice. Just someone who they perceive might actually give a shit.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and I made a couple of stupid, pointless comments below. My two comments at {7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} served no useful purpose but I left them in to show her reaction.

The fact that she described staying home and not working because she was sad about her bills was not lost on me. Obviously, that is counterproductive behavior. Unless she is your wife, don't "scold" these girls, which is the word they almost always use. Serves no purpose other than to create tension. They will not change because of your advice. Save your breath. All I did in a small way was validate her feelings, and let her vent.

Pay special attention to her comments at {7:44 PM, 4/29/2022}.

At {1:49 PM, 4/30/2022} purrfekt example of a cultural misunderstanding. I was telling her not to take things personally so she did not get her feelings hurt. She thought I meant I did not want to get close and personal with her.

{5:20 and 5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} was the turning point. Remember, without spending a peso despite the subject.

The second to last line, {5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} "I will make you happy", I am obviously using a euphemism for "I am not going to pay now, but I will pay later" after sex, and she knows that.

She is a sweet, sensitive girl. Ironically, on-line she is the nastiest, most dirty girl with whom I have ever tried to hook-up. That's what grabbed my attention. For looks, she is probably a 6.36377 at best, jajaja. With her, it's going to be all about performance, personality, and getting down-and-dirty. We all know more often that not, these plans don't pan out. But the fun in trying is fantastic. I will be sure to let you all know what happens.

I am into her for exactly zero pesos at this time. That's a lie because I just remembered I have tipped her on line, but no mucho. The hardest part will be if she decides to see me, how will I work her into my full schedule? Maybe invite her over to Scarlet's apartment for a 7-way, jajajajaja.

The take-home message is do not be the first to bring up the subject of money, especially sending money, with these chicas. Believe it or not, many times they are not looking for money, as show below. Took me a long time to learn that. There are plenty of chicas who will be aggressive about asking for money, but don't be the one who brings it up first. Ostee Out!

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Hi Love.

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I'm online.

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Do you want to come see me?

{5:13 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I'm a little sad.

{6:59 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: And you don't answer me for me to talk to someone.

{7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Sorry baby, I've been busy.

{7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Be happy that I was able to visit you for a few minutes on-line and give you a little tip.

{7:43 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Love.

{7:43 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I'm not saying that's why.

{7:44 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: You don't even ask me the reason for my sadness.

{7:46 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Then tell me, of course. I want to know.

{7:47 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: You scold me without asking me what's wrong.

{7:48 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Honey, I'm not scolding you. I don't have a bad thought about you.

{7:49 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Okay?

{7:50 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Tell me.

{7:51 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Well, it's just that on Monday I have to pay the rent for my house and my work has gone a little badly, that's all, I'm a little worried.

{7:52 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Yes, my love. That's a lot of stress and pressure.

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Yes indeed.

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I was thinking of asking for money from a daily collector (loan shark).

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I don't want to be in debt to someone like that.

{7:57 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: You shouldn't, interest rates are too high, it can be dangerous.

{7:58 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Yes indeed, yes.

{7:58 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I don't know what to do.

{1:39 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Good afternoon love.

{1:40 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Are you doing any better?

{1:40 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I'm home I felt bad and left work.

{1:42 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: If I was there in person, I would help you.

{1:42 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Of course.

{1:46 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Sorry you have to wait.

{1:46 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: Why didn't you come see me today?

{1:48 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Don't take these things personally. I'm on a lunch break now. I have many things to do before returning to Medellin in less than two weeks.

{1:49 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: And why are you telling me not to take things personally?

{1:50 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: My Spanish is not that good, I meant you shouldn't let your feelings get hurt, I like you a lot, but the things I'm doing right now are important. Of course, I want to be personal with you and get to know you better.

{1:51 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Do you understand?

{1:52 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: I will not intentionally hurt you. I will never hit you. We are off to a good start. I will tell you the truth as best I can.

{5:20 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: Thank you for always being there for me.

{5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: You have earned my trust and love.

{5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I'm really not lying to you.

{5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I want to meet you.

{5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: We will, I will make you happy, you just have to wait a little longer until I get there.

{5:23 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I will wait love.

I attached a couple of screenshots from a video I have of her. I think her general enthusiasm shows through. I will run laps on any chica who lines up her three holes like in the first foto- mouth, pussy, ass, mouth, pussy, ass. Anyone got a stopwatch? Or we can take bets how many holes I can get my leche dripping out of her at the same time. Love it. She has the requisite finger tattoos that that I often associate with that certain dirty rawness. Her doggy pose removes any doubt of three-hole access and shows her nice fat ass. I hope she pans out. I could use a good dose of raunchy sex with a new chica and this foreplay is delicious. Only time will tell.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2692116]The owner of Loutron also owns Abydos which is a massage / sex parlor on Avenida 33. Same level of women, but about half the price. Loutron has women that are taller, run way models, at higher prices. Abydos has more girls from the country, over all shorter, but more enthusiastic and affectionate.[/QUOTE]Abydos was my favorite casa back in the day. I'm sure they closed years ago.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2692473]Abydos was my favorite casa back in the day. I'm sure they closed years ago.[/QUOTE]But when KneelGorge wrote "on Avenida 33" that's not enough to go by to find that place. Avenida 33 is a main thorofare, if it's the road I am thinking of. Need more info.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2692473]Abydos was my favorite casa back in the day. I'm sure they closed years ago.[/QUOTE]

If you Google Sala de masajes Abydos or Abydos Spa they seem to have an active Facebook page and website. However, the address is given as Cra 43 D #10-46. Now on the "To be checked" list for my return visit come July. Meanwhile, I hope that a BM ventures a field visit shortly and reports back here on their findings.

When I Googled, I found two different places with very similar names.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2692544]If you Google Sala de masajes Abydos or Abydos Spa they seem to have an active Facebook page and website. However, the address is given as Cra 43 D #10-46. Now on the "To be checked" list for my return visit come July. Meanwhile, I hope that a BM ventures a field visit shortly and reports back here on their findings.[/QUOTE]Abybos (with a b) Spa that you mentioned is in Malina / Poblado (Cra 43 the #10-46). The one on Avenida 33 is or was called AbyDos (with a d). The address is / was Calle 33 # 64-198. Not sure if it is still in business. Their website for sure is died.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2692177]For regular P4P, 300 mil COP is the standard rate for 3 hours, albeit also the transition point for overnight, but look at all the extras you are getting with this service. Love the costume choices. I hope this venture is a success. I may put my nail clippers in the safe and try it myself, jaja.[/QUOTE]Are you assuming sex is included? It is not listed so I guess it costs extra.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2692688]Are you assuming sex is included? It is not listed so I guess it costs extra.[/QUOTE]I don't remember what I was thinking. Maybe you tip her for the sex? I don't know what their business model is but my guess would be they send the girl out for the posted price, and then whatever she can get on her own once she's on site she gets to keep. That's how I would run it but what do I know? There is def more than one way to peel an onion in this example.

What I really was thinking was that initially when I posted about this new company I was perceived as possibly being against the concept. I wanted to repost for the record, that I am for the concept.

Definitely, looks like the girl was hinting thst she needed some money and hoping you'd swoop in and solve her problems. Sometimes it seems to me that they chicken out from asking for money when you don't take their hints and run to their rescue.

Anyway, I've only been with one webcam, and by accident (I've never tried to get one off a camsite), but it was up there in terms of sexual experiences for me. Afterwards she flipped out her phone and was showing me her work photos, which was an added bonus. So hope this one works out for you. If not the camgirl density in Medellin is probably the highest in the world and it sounds like you have already sampled a few.

Personally I've been wondering if anyone has got with any of the emerging Medellin pornstars? Seems like the top tier ones go to Europe quickly but there seems to be a rapidly expanding second tier that stay in Colombia. One, Mila Garcia has a Facebook account, but doesn't seem to use it much. So I haven't tried to contact her. Anyway, I've always heard you could get with pornstars in Brazil and have been wondering if there are similar possibilities emerging in Medellin given the expanding local industry? Would definitely be a bucket list item for me.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2692462]I have never met this chica face to face yet. She is a Web cam model.

I recently posted to JimBo about how being empathetic and acknowledging chicas' difficulties can go a long way toward keeping them happy, even when you don't give or send them money. This scenario is a little different because she is not on my List or an established novia, but the principles are the same.

The Whassap dialogue below is a great example.

The irony is when you read or listen to these chicas, sometimes they seem to be asking for money, when really they are not. Like females all over the world, sometimes all they want is a sympathetic ear. Not advice. Just someone who they perceive might actually give a shit.

Hindsight is always 20/20 and I made a couple of stupid, pointless comments below. My two comments at {7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} served no useful purpose but I left them in to show her reaction.

The fact that she described staying home and not working because she was sad about her bills was not lost on me. Obviously, that is counterproductive behavior. Unless she is your wife, don't "scold" these girls, which is the word they almost always use. Serves no purpose other than to create tension. They will not change because of your advice. Save your breath. All I did in a small way was validate her feelings, and let her vent.

Pay special attention to her comments at {7:44 PM, 4/29/2022}.

At {1:49 PM, 4/30/2022} purrfekt example of a cultural misunderstanding. I was telling her not to take things personally so she did not get her feelings hurt. She thought I meant I did not want to get close and personal with her.

{5:20 and 5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} was the turning point. Remember, without spending a peso despite the subject.

The second to last line, {5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} "I will make you happy", I am obviously using a euphemism for "I am not going to pay now, but I will pay later" after sex, and she knows that.

She is a sweet, sensitive girl. Ironically, on-line she is the nastiest, most dirty girl with whom I have ever tried to hook-up. That's what grabbed my attention. For looks, she is probably a 6.36377 at best, jajaja. With her, it's going to be all about performance, personality, and getting down-and-dirty. We all know more often that not, these plans don't pan out. But the fun in trying is fantastic. I will be sure to let you all know what happens.

I am into her for exactly zero pesos at this time. That's a lie because I just remembered I have tipped her on line, but no mucho. The hardest part will be if she decides to see me, how will I work her into my full schedule? Maybe invite her over to Scarlet's apartment for a 7-way, jajajajaja.

The take-home message is do not be the first to bring up the subject of money, especially sending money, with these chicas. Believe it or not, many times they are not looking for money, as show below. Took me a long time to learn that. There are plenty of chicas who will be aggressive about asking for money, but don't be the one who brings it up first. Ostee Out!

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Hi Love.

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I'm online.

{4:19 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Do you want to come see me?

{5:13 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I'm a little sad.

{6:59 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: And you don't answer me for me to talk to someone.

{7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Sorry baby, I've been busy.

{7:40 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Be happy that I was able to visit you for a few minutes on-line and give you a little tip.

{7:43 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Love.

{7:43 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I'm not saying that's why.

{7:44 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: You don't even ask me the reason for my sadness.

{7:46 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Then tell me, of course. I want to know.

{7:47 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: You scold me without asking me what's wrong.

{7:48 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Honey, I'm not scolding you. I don't have a bad thought about you.

{7:49 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Okay?

{7:50 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Tell me.

{7:51 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Well, it's just that on Monday I have to pay the rent for my house and my work has gone a little badly, that's all, I'm a little worried.

{7:52 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: Yes, my love. That's a lot of stress and pressure.

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Yes indeed.

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: I was thinking of asking for money from a daily collector (loan shark).

{7:55 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I don't want to be in debt to someone like that.

{7:57 PM, 4/29/2022} Asti: You shouldn't, interest rates are too high, it can be dangerous.

{7:58 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: Yes indeed, yes.

{7:58 PM, 4/29/2022} Ally: But I don't know what to do.

{1:39 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Good afternoon love.

{1:40 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Are you doing any better?

{1:40 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I'm home I felt bad and left work.

{1:42 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: If I was there in person, I would help you.

{1:42 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Of course.

{1:46 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Sorry you have to wait.

{1:46 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: Why didn't you come see me today?

{1:48 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Don't take these things personally. I'm on a lunch break now. I have many things to do before returning to Medellin in less than two weeks.

{1:49 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: And why are you telling me not to take things personally?

{1:50 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: My Spanish is not that good, I meant you shouldn't let your feelings get hurt, I like you a lot, but the things I'm doing right now are important. Of course, I want to be personal with you and get to know you better.

{1:51 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: Do you understand?

{1:52 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: I will not intentionally hurt you. I will never hit you. We are off to a good start. I will tell you the truth as best I can.

{5:20 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: Thank you for always being there for me.

{5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: You have earned my trust and love.

{5:21 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I'm really not lying to you.

{5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I want to meet you.

{5:22 PM, 4/30/2022} Asti: We will, I will make you happy, you just have to wait a little longer until I get there.

{5:23 PM, 4/30/2022} Ally: I will wait love.

I attached a couple of screenshots from a video I have of her. I think her general enthusiasm shows through. I will run laps on any chica who lines up her three holes like in the first foto- mouth, pussy, ass, mouth, pussy, ass. Anyone got a stopwatch? Or we can take bets how many holes I can get my leche dripping out of her at the same time. Love it. She has the requisite finger tattoos that that I often associate with that certain dirty rawness. Her doggy pose removes any doubt of three-hole access and shows her nice fat ass. I hope she pans out. I could use a good dose of raunchy sex with a new chica and this foreplay is delicious. Only time will tell.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2692462]I have never met this chica face to face yet. She is a Web cam model.

I recently posted to JimBo about how being empathetic and acknowledging chicas' difficulties can go a long way toward keeping them happy, even when you don't give or send them money. This scenario is a little different because she is not on my List or an established novia, but the principles are the same.

The Whassap dialogue below is a great example.

The irony is when you read or listen to these chicas, sometimes they seem to be asking for money, when really they are not. Like females all over the world, sometimes all they want is a sympathetic ear. Not advice. Just someone who they perceive might actually give a shit.[/QUOTE]This is almost the exact conversation I had with a Venezuelan cam girl in Colombia. We talked for 3 months. Even had conversations with her mother. Said she couldn't wait to meet me. Then the sob story, sent some cash and in the end never saw her. Of course you know better than me and won't give her any money till you see her in the "flesh" LOL. Been learning a lot from your posts and can't wait for my first visit to MDE next week.

Griz.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2692694]Definitely, looks like the girl was hinting thst she needed some money and hoping you'd swoop in and solve her problems.[/QUOTE]I will suggest you don't include the entire original post in your response, especially when the original poster (me) was long winded. If I don't bring it up, someone else will.

I would've agreed with you a year ago about chicas wanting money then "chickening out" at the end, but now I don't believe it's that overt.

First, these girls are often casting a very wide net when looking for money, so their success or failure with an individual gringo doesn't bother them as much as you might think.

Secondly, as I wrote, they genuinely want empathy and that counts for a lot. When I had less experience with chicas from MDE, sometimes I would bring up money first when I thought the chica was fishing, and then get scolded, hard. She would say something like, "I wasn't asking you for money, I was sharing my situation." I know, hard to believe at first but it's true for some of them.

Ally has been in daily contact with me. She hasn't mentioned money again other than she had a "good day" camming today so sounds like she made rent.

If you monger a lot, you have been with more Web cam models than you realize, jeje. Finding them on-line accounts for a very small but very enjoyable part of my mongering. I will never forget and in some ways, never top Caribe coming over most mornings for a few weeks from her night shift at the studio, throwing me in the shower, and using me as her sex slave, for "free". I paid a price in the end, but I would also do it over again, and I can tell you for sure, if she's available, I will fuck her again someday.

Finally, as I also have written, in the short term, most of these chicas would rather have the money than respect you, but they respect a guy who isn't a pushover for money. Know when to say no.

I will look stupid to some if Ally ghosts me when I arrive, but that won't bug me too much. I enjoy the journey and don't look at the end result as being success or failure. She is one chica of many. Desire is often the enemy.

I have three new chicas lined up for my return trip, two seem solid if we count Ally as one. The third I won't be surprised at all if she flakes but she's worth the effort to me.

I don't know anything about the porn scene in Medellin. There was supposedly a lot of underage porn in MDE, I dunno, 6-10 years ago that got appropriately shut down but there is still a hangover from that which Medellin has not completely recovered. My info on that is mostly here say.

Thanks for the feedback and Keep On Keepin' On!

A Full-Monty of non-random fotos, all of Caribe. Looking at these fotos reminds me how strong she was. Mind blown just thinking about her. My finger-tip, figure-eight bandage for a bleeding cut and partially torn off nail, I made from a panito I cut with scissors.

HappyShiva. Your inbox is full. Will contact you by PM once you clear your inbox.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2691018]Any one traveling to Medellin between May 9th until 19 please contact me, we can get together and go for beer. Stayin at San Peters, Laureles or Dorado 70.[/QUOTE]

Great report. Sometimes you just get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;2691664]I will write a full report of this trips activities but wanted to report on one particular experience that just happened. It has been said many times before, there are many different ways to monger. Some like the bargain basement of el centro, some like searching FB, seeking, tinder or hitting the casas or strip clubs. I stick to mostly Seeking and my parameters are all natural, if a chica has fake tits, ass, lips or tattoos it's a huge turn off. I look for the girl next door wholesome type of beauty.

This trip I found a beautiful all-natural chica on seeking who checked all the boxes! Spoke English, perfect body (very active lifestyle) university student who also works at a bank and started 2 online businesses. I hit the jackpot again, another unicorn! We quickly exchange pleasantries on the site and switch over to WhatsApp. I invite her out for dinner and drinks and say if we like each other, we can head back to my hotel after. Then she drops a bomb shell and says "if you want me to go to your hotel it will be 1,500 MIL! Yes, you read that right 1,500,000 pesos! I said whoa that's too much nobody would ever pay that much! I countered at 500 MIL. She just replied "no". I countered again with the best I can do is 700 MIL. She responded back with "no". I said no one is going to pay that price if you change your mind reach out to me...[/QUOTE]

Arriving Medellin on May 9th by American Airlines and their website says that If I am fully vaccinated, I do not need to produce Covid 19 PCR or Antigen test to board the flight, but to return to USA, I will need a 24 hours PCR or Antigen or Rapid test. So the question to the frequent fliers is that if the colombian immigracion require or if they check for printed PCR or Antigen test results in order for me to enter in their country. The Second question is if there is any Mask regulations on flights, streets of Colombia, Cabs or Metro.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2692823]Arriving Medellin on May 9th by American Airlines and their website says that If I am fully vaccinated, I do not need to produce Covid 19 PCR or Antigen test to board the flight, but to return to USA, I will need a 24 hours PCR or Antigen or Rapid test. So the question to the frequent fliers is that if the colombian immigracion require or if they check for printed PCR or Antigen test results in order for me to enter in their country. The Second question is if there is any Mask regulations on flights, streets of Colombia, Cabs or Metro.[/QUOTE]If you are fully vaccinated you will not be asked to show a test result, because no test is required. You will be asked to show proof you are fully vaccinated.

When I arrived last week, no masks were required on my flights or in the US airports. However, when we landed in Bogota we were told masks were required to exit the plane.

On the streets a few people are wearing masks, most aren't. Inside malls, bars and restaurants, a few people are wearing masks, most aren't. I've only been in one taxi, mask was not required.

My recommendation is to carry a mask, in case some taxi or business tells you to wear it. Wear it if you want everywhere else.

One restaurant I've been to required everyone to wash their hands before sitting down.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2692688]Are you assuming sex is included? It is not listed so I guess it costs extra.[/QUOTE]You are correct. The price listed is for 3 hours of cleaning in the desired costume. Anything extra can be negotiated with the girl.

Here's an explanation. If you have children and you hire someone to watch them while you're working, it costs one price. If you hire a clown to entertain the kids, it costs more.

I would like to be wrong about this. I don't believe Abydos has been opened for nearly ten years. I was a big fan of the place, so much so that I sometimes think about it when I pass the location. Someone please prove me wrong! I miss Abydos.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2692256]Glad to know about Abydos. I had thought it had long gone out of business. I used to frequent that place 15-17 years ago when it was the feeder program to Loutron (which was at that time up the hill a few blocks from the Mansion and Castillo). One of the best chicas I've ever had was in Abydos. She was young. Played basketball in HS, so she was a bit taller with a great body. Back then there was no such thing as FB and Whatsapp, so never saw her again. I'll have to give it a try. Back then, it was just a higher level of casa (close to Miel and Canela, which was lower end, but a great place to go if you wanted anal). They did not "advertise" themselves as a spa (which is what I found when I Googled them). Glad to know they offer real services beyond what's on the website. I might give it a try. Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2692823]Arriving Medellin on May 9th by American Airlines and their website says that If I am fully vaccinated, I do not need to produce Covid 19 PCR or Antigen test to board the flight, but to return to USA, I will need a 24 hours PCR or Antigen or Rapid test. So the question to the frequent fliers is that if the colombian immigracion require or if they check for printed PCR or Antigen test results in order for me to enter in their country. The Second question is if there is any Mask regulations on flights, streets of Colombia, Cabs or Metro.[/QUOTE]The immigration agents at MDE checked my vaccine card the last few times I entered. Since I am fully vaccinated (no boosters), I don't have to have any Covid test to enter Colombia. Mask requirements are instituted by the airlines in most cases. I think American Airlines does not require masks, thanks to a Federal judge in Florida. In Colombia, mask requirements are determined by vaccination percentage and possibly other factors. In Medellin, masks are not required outdoors. Some businesses require masks inside, some not. I use DiDi and Uber. They do not require masks. Some drivers may ask you to wear a mask.

I guess we will have to wait for a US Federal judge to declare the Biden administration's Covid test to fly into the US unconstitutional to get rid of that.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2692191]Loutron is not "runway models" but a silicone convention, some to the point of cartoonish. Any perception of "taller" likely relates to higher heels.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I thought of the place the one time I went in December. Saw 6-8 girls and wasn't interested in any of them. I don't mind fake tits if done well but everything about them was over the top fake. Nothing remotely close to a runway model IMO.

[QUOTE=EonFlux;2692760]Great report. Sometimes you just get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I was wondering if you are spending that 100.00 a month on that app? I have good success with FB, but I like the search feature to get one that speaks English on Seeking. I just think 100.00 a month is crazy for an app. But, if it works that well. Then you truly do get what you pay for.

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2692700]This is almost the exact conversation I had with a Venezuelan cam girl in Colombia. We talked for 3 months. Even had conversations with her mother. Said she couldn't wait to meet me. Then the sob story, sent some cash and in the end never saw her. Of course you know better than me and won't give her any money till you see her in the "flesh" LOL. Been learning a lot from your posts and can't wait for my first visit to MDE next week..[/QUOTE]Nice touch when she dragged her mom into it, if it really was her mom. One story I have heard over and over is that mom just got discharged from the hospital with a bleeding disorder, and if she doesn't get her medication, she is going to bleed to death.

I just cut loose a new Web cam chica yesterday who I thought I would be seeing this trip, or rather she cut me loose for non-payment. She was good, a real pro. Started the affair by saying she would never ask me for money. She asked for my address in the USA so she could send me "presents," never heard that one before.

I broke my own rule and as our time grew nearer to meet, offered 400 mil COP to her "jefe" or boss for the two days I was going to take her away. This is realistic because a lot of these girls will lose their "position" or place in the studio for any unexcused absences. The bosses are very strict and unsympathetic.

As soon as the words were out of my mouth she told me to send the 400. I said no, that I would be happy to hand it over to her boss in person when I came to pick her up. She replied "Chao" or goodbye and that was it. I thanked her for the time we had spent on-line and the "education" she gave me, deleted her account, and removed her as a Favorite on the Web site where she cams. I had been chatting with her for months.

The take-home there is no matter how good or astute I believe I am at reading these chicas, there is always a chica better at it than me. Remember, they are the pros and we are the amateurs. We are overmatched.

Jaja, thanks for your compliment, not sure how true it is. I ended up giving you a bunch of unsolicited advice. I guess I can't help myself, jaja.

Keep On Keepin' On & Osteee Ouuuuut!

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2692879]The immigration agents at MDE checked my vaccine card the last few times I entered. Since I am fully vaccinated (no boosters), I don't have to have any Covid test to enter Colombia. Mask requirements are instituted by the airlines in most cases. I think American Airlines does not require masks, thanks to a Federal judge in Florida. In Colombia, mask requirements are determined by vaccination percentage and possibly other factors. In Medellin, masks are not required outdoors. Some businesses require masks inside, some not. I use DiDi and Uber. They do not require masks. Some drivers may ask you to wear a mask.

I guess we will have to wait for a US Federal judge to declare the Biden administration's Covid test to fly into the US unconstitutional to get rid of that.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot for your input.

[QUOTE=MikeAllen9172;2692933]I was wondering if you are spending that 100.00 a month on that app? I have good success with FB, but I like the search feature to get one that speaks English on Seeking. I just think 100.00 a month is crazy for an app. But, if it works that well. Then you truly do get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. The cost per month has prevented me from using it for my upcoming trip to Medellin. I can see where it would be beneficial in other places. But in Medellin, where FB is so prevalent amongst chicas, the cost / benefit analysis just didn't make sense to me.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2692603]Abybos (with a b) Spa that you mentioned is in Malina / Poblado (Cra 43 the #10-46). The one on Avenida 33 is or was called AbyDos (with a d). The address is / was Calle 33 # 64-198. Not sure if it is still in business. Their website for sure is died.[/QUOTE]Appears to be a spa piggybacking off the former Abydos? I will take a look this week. Why not?

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2693020]I totally agree. The cost per month has prevented me from using it for my upcoming trip to Medellin. I can see where it would be beneficial in other places. But in Medellin, where FB is so prevalent amongst chicas, the cost / benefit analysis just didn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]Do you know if it is required to be active more than one month? It could be a good way to build your contacts.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2692879]The immigration agents at MDE checked my vaccine card the last few times I entered. Since I am fully vaccinated (no boosters), I don't have to have any Covid test to enter Colombia. Mask requirements are instituted by the airlines in most cases. I think American Airlines does not require masks, thanks to a Federal judge in Florida. In Colombia, mask requirements are determined by vaccination percentage and possibly other factors. In Medellin, masks are not required outdoors. Some businesses require masks inside, some not. I use DiDi and Uber. They do not require masks. Some drivers may ask you to wear a mask.

I guess we will have to wait for a US Federal judge to declare the Biden administration's Covid test to fly into the US unconstitutional to get rid of that.[/QUOTE]I cannot find my vax card but I have the digital card issued by the state of California. Should that be enough?

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2693026]I cannot find my vax card but I have the digital card issued by the state of California. Should that be enough?[/QUOTE]They do not know what a digital card is, or at least I don't. They look at the card and see that you have 2 shots or 1 shot of that other one. Simple. Don't overthink it. You did not take a picture of it before you lost it? I have always just shown them the picture on my phone.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2693025]Do you know if it is required to be active more than one month? It could be a good way to build your contacts.[/QUOTE]You can pay for just one month, but it is expensive compared to other dating type apps. I just don't see the need when there are so many chicas on FB. In other locations, FB isn't a thing for pros or semi-pros, so SA would make more sense in those places. But there are many reports of good success with SA in Medellin. I just don't feel the need to pay that cost. A few hours on FB will give you many, many options for free.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2693026]I cannot find my vax card but I have the digital card issued by the state of California. Should that be enough?[/QUOTE]If you got vaxxed at Walmart, CVS, or similar, you should be able to access that info. You probably have email confirms.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2693038]If you got vaxxed at Walmart, CVS, or similar, you should be able to access that info. You probably have email confirms.[/QUOTE]I got a couple of spare ones that I can fax across to you if you like?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2692845]I would like to be wrong about this. I don't believe Abydos has been opened for nearly ten years. I was a big fan of the place, so much so that I sometimes think about it when I pass the location. Someone please prove me wrong! I miss Abydos.[/QUOTE]They had been declining but towards their end they had a super hot provider called Susan (I think, its so long ago) that I repeated with her a few times (possibly the only time I repeated in Colombia). The last time I went she was busy and I wanted no one else; the mamasan took COP10,000 for the viewing (from a regular!) I never returned, they closed very soon thereafter. How great it would be if they reopened and had a cast of the quality before the decline.

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2692700]This is almost the exact conversation I had with a Venezuelan cam girl in Colombia. We talked for 3 months. Even had conversations with her mother. Said she couldn't wait to meet me. Then the sob story, sent some cash and in the end never saw her. Of course you know better than me and won't give her any money till you see her in the "flesh" LOL. Been learning a lot from your posts and can't wait for my first visit to MDE next week.

Griz.[/QUOTE]Three months is a long time to be buttering you up. I think she deserved a little cash.

The day I came back, Medellin dropped mask mandate. I am again seeing beautiful Colombian girls in Santa Fe Mall with their faces showing. Glad to be back.

Was just there about 2 weeks ago. It was 350 COP for 1 girl, 380 COP with striptease. I think that was for an hour. Technically, I think the striptease version is for 70 minutes.

There were also options for shorter time or 2 girls, can't recall the prices for these.

The annoying part was that you had to remember the girls' names, they had no numbers. Had to get the lineup 2 x b / C we couldn't hear nor remember some of the names LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2692178]Super convenient. Thanks.

I will hit Energy and will stop in Tantra, and New Life for sure. I do not mind paying a dollar to see the girls at Energy and New Life. Who cares, right? I believe the reason I paid $3k last time in Energy was that they gave me a bottle of water and I didn't take a girl. But still, who cares.

Does anyone know more or less the price of girls in Loutrons?

I'm going to whatsapp JJBee's maid service to see if they will send photos of the girls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2692828]You are correct. The price listed is for 3 hours of cleaning in the desired costume. Anything extra can be negotiated with the girl.

Here's an explanation. If you have children and you hire someone to watch them while you're working, it costs one price. If you hire a clown to entertain the kids, it costs more.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how well this new service is going to work out for guys that want more than just cleaning services.

The idea of having to negotiate with the girl upon arrival for extra services versus beforehand could be problematic.

Could be a total wild card depending on the girl, and the customers Spanish speaking skills.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2693028]They do not know what a digital card is, or at least I don't. They look at the card and see that you have 2 shots or 1 shot of that other one. Simple. Don't overthink it. You did not take a picture of it before you lost it? I have always just shown them the picture on my phone.[/QUOTE]They have digital vax cards in Colombia for Colombians, I've seen them used by Colombians, hence they know what they are.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2693026]I cannot find my vax card but I have the digital card issued by the state of California. Should that be enough?[/QUOTE]Yes, they have digital vax cards in Colombia, so should not be a problem for them to accept a digital card.

In fact I have used my State of California digital vax card for entry into places in both Medellin and Bogota.

This is insane, and I wonder how much higher the exchange rate is going to go. Seems as though since the Federal Reserve has been raising the interest rates the exchange rate get's better and better.

Time to hit the ATM's!

[QUOTE=EonFlux;2692760]Great report. Sometimes you just get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Seriously? For 1,500,000 I can get ton of hot ladies to come stay over night and do everything who are not normally for rent. That is crazy money to pay. I do not speak Spanish and can get that to happen easily for stupid money like that. But so could just about any guy with a ton of girls who would normally not do that. That is 5-6 times the normal rate.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2693341]Seriously? For 1,500,000 I can get ton of hot ladies to come stay over night and do everything who are not normally for rent. That is crazy money to pay. I do not speak Spanish and can get that to happen easily for stupid money like that. But so could just about any guy with a ton of girls who would normally not do that. That is 5-6 times the normal rate.[/QUOTE]He clearly overpaid, but dude had a good time and it was his first time in Medellin if I am not mistaken. I can't say I blame the guy at all or any other newbie who pulls a similar move. I overpaid my first trip or two as well. Hopefully, he pays less next time and learns he can get the experience for much less. Glad the dude had a great time though.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693302]This is insane, and I wonder how much higher the exchange rate is going to go. Seems as though since the Federal Reserve has been raising the interest rates the exchange rate get's better and better.

Time to hit the ATM's![/QUOTE]You were looking at the [URL]XE.com[/URL] rate which is the equivalent of the fluctuating rate. You won't get that rate today. The Visa Exchange rate is 4,011 and that is what you will get from 7 pm today 5/4/22 to 7 pm 5/5/22.

There is usually a 1 day delay. Tomorrow at 8 pm EST (7 pm Medellin time) you can check the rate at 'Visa Exchange rate' to see what you will actually get.

Put in any number for 'amount' (it won't matter). Put in 0 for Bank Fee. Select US for the 'Card Currency' and COP for the 'translation currency'. Hit enter and you will see what the ATM debit card rate will be.

Remember one important thing. When you take money out if the bank asks you if you want the 'default rate' or 'bank guaranteed rate' or anything like that. Just say no. The transaction will now complete using the Visa Exchange Rate and you will not be giving money to the bank for no reason what-so-ever.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2693377]You were looking at the [URL]XE.com[/URL] rate which is the equivalent of the fluctuating rate. You won't get that rate today. The Visa Exchange rate is 4,011 and that is what you will get from 7 pm today 5/4/22 to 7 pm 5/5/22.

There is usually a 1 day delay. Tomorrow at 8 pm EST (7 pm Medellin time) you can check the rate at 'Visa Exchange rate' to see what you will actually get.

Put in any number for 'amount' (it won't matter). Put in 0 for Bank Fee. Select US for the 'Card Currency' and COP for the 'translation currency'. Hit enter and you will see what the ATM debit card rate will be.

Remember one important thing. When you take money out if the bank asks you if you want the 'default rate' or 'bank guaranteed rate' or anything like that. Just say no. The transaction will now complete using the Visa Exchange Rate and you will not be giving money to the bank for no reason what-so-ever.[/QUOTE]Visa works about 1% in on their rates. Unless you are converting from Canadian dollars to whatever, then it is 2. 5%. Sometimes sucks to be Canadian.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2693377]You were looking at the [URL]XE.com[/URL] rate which is the equivalent of the fluctuating rate. You won't get that rate today. The Visa Exchange rate is 4,011 and that is what you will get from 7 pm today 5/4/22 to 7 pm 5/5/22.

There is usually a 1 day delay. Tomorrow at 8 pm EST (7 pm Medellin time) you can check the rate at 'Visa Exchange rate' to see what you will actually get.

Put in any number for 'amount' (it won't matter). Put in 0 for Bank Fee. Select US for the 'Card Currency' and COP for the 'translation currency'. Hit enter and you will see what the ATM debit card rate will be.

Remember one important thing. When you take money out if the bank asks you if you want the 'default rate' or 'bank guaranteed rate' or anything like that. Just say no. The transaction will now complete using the Visa Exchange Rate and you will not be giving money to the bank for no reason what-so-ever.[/QUOTE]I only withdraw from Colpatria ATM machines and have never seen anything asking about rates or any mention of card or translation currency. Which banks ask and provide that information as this would be helpful.

It will be interesting to see if the rate goes up in the next few days, a few weeks ago it was below 3700 COP so has gone up over 10% in a short period of time. Regardless of the exact rate today or tomorrow, at over 4000 COP I'm going to be hitting the ATM machine.

[QUOTE=RamDavidson84;2693362]He clearly overpaid, but dude had a good time..[/QUOTE]45.000. 000 in one month is a terrific salary. I only wish I was a couple of years younger. Hehe. Chica gets free food and drink too. She will soon be buying land in Guatape or losing it on an apartment that fall sdown after 2 years.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2693341]Seriously? For 1,500,000 I can get ton of hot ladies to come stay over night and do everything who are not normally for rent. That is crazy money to pay. I do not speak Spanish and can get that to happen easily for stupid money like that. But so could just about any guy with a ton of girls who would normally not do that. That is 5-6 times the normal rate.[/QUOTE]I just paid Scarlet's rent for May, about $130 USD. My favorite 3 chicas with whom I've had repeated 4-ways are all living together under her roof for the first time. I can usually recognize opportunity when I see it.

I jumped at the chance to pay rent for May, to keep them from scattering. Scarlet said I can stay there for as long as I want. Sounded like a "no-brainer" to me, jeje.

I am aiming for a party, an orgy really, with 6-7 chicas in total, including Scarlet, and perhaps one or two invited mongers / friends.

Allow me to share fotos of the current guest list below, mouseover for their names. Obviomente, these chicas will all expect to be paid. Plus, I will buy food, drinks, and drugs for the party. I guarantee you, the price will be worth it and it won't be exorbitant.

Yes, I am repeating fotos, because I am stuck here in Pussy Prison and cannot take any new fotos for at least nine more days.

This could all turn out to be premature exposition if these "plans" don't come to fruition. Anyone who wants to laugh at me then, feel free if that improves your mental state. Those who follow me know I report the good and the bad. Medellin always has something unexpected in store. Without desire there is no disappointment.

Full disclosure, Soft Swirl sent me the one foto of her, I did not take it. The remaining fotos, as usual, I took myself. I count seven different chicas on the guest list, at this time.

If you were vaccinated in the USA, the records are likely in the VAMS national database. I believe you have to get some info from the place that vaxxed you, to get access to your VAMS account. From then on, you can login and there is a QR code along with details on vax (dates, type of med, etc). Makes things really easy, just login then screenshot your records, and show that wherever needed. Worked for me going to Brazil and Thailand over the past few months, and in a few restaurants in the USA:

[URL]https://vams.cdc.gov/vaccineportal/s/recipientlogin?language=en_US[/URL]

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2693026]I cannot find my vax card but I have the digital card issued by the state of California. Should that be enough?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693302]This is insane, and I wonder how much higher the exchange rate is going to go. Seems as though since the Federal Reserve has been raising the interest rates the exchange rate get's better and better.

Time to hit the ATM's![/QUOTE]With near certainty it will continue to go higher. Here are a few drivers:

1) US Fed raising interest rates higher than other countries, hence money flow to US.

2) Global instability causing people to purchase and hold USD / Euro (and drop other currencies).

3) Petro ahead in Colombian polls, so investors staying away. This is a wild card, but I think one of the biggest factors for Colombia. No one wants another Venezuela or Nicaragua.

Working against the USD appreciation trend is the price of oil, but this has been muted as of late. If it goes to $150 / barrel or something crazy we could see the COP appreciate (USD decline).

I expect 4500-4800 over the next 12 months.

Consider that while we'll get more for our USD, inflation is running 8% annual in Colombia so that eats into whatever gains we would have. What you could buy for 250 k last year is now 270 k. Need to balance that with $1 going up 12-14% in same time frame. We're coming out slightly ahead, but not by much.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2693521]Consider that while we'll get more for our USD, inflation is running 8% annual in Colombia so that eats into whatever gains we would have. What you could buy for 250 k last year is now 270 k. Need to balance that with $1 going up 12-14% in same time frame. We're coming out slightly ahead, but not by much.[/QUOTE]Seems like all you ever hear about is the exchange rate but price and inflation have to be factored in before we know what the cost of living or standard of living is in Colombia, or anywhere for that matter.

For example, say you get 10,000 plunkets for one US dollar. If a modest breakfast (or whatever good or service you want to use for an example) costs 500,000 plunkets, or $50 USD, then you are not getting any bargain.

That's why when someone tells me about the exchange rate of a country where I am not familiar with the prices, my first response will usually be, "How much does a can of Coca-Cola cost"? As a reference point.

And that's before we even factor in inflation. As you said, if the increase in the exchange rate we are seeing in Colombia is part of an inflationary cycle we could simply be trying to keep up, while falling behind.

I arrive in seven days, and psychologically the exchange rate feels great and of course I am glad it's higher instead of lower. I will probably spend more than usual because at the same time I am getting killed in the stock market, and if I don't spend it today, it's gone tomorrow. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2693419]I just paid Scarlet's rent for May, about $130 USD. My favorite 3 chicas with whom I've had repeated 4-ways are all living together under her roof for the first time. I can usually recognize opportunity when I see it.

I jumped at the chance to pay rent for May, to keep them from scattering. Scarlet said I can stay there for as long as I want. Sounded like a "no-brainer" to me, jeje.

I am aiming for a party, an orgy really, with 6-7 chicas in total, including Scarlet, and perhaps one or two invited mongers / friends.

Allow me to share fotos of the current guest list below, mouseover for their names. Obviomente, these chicas will all expect to be paid. Plus, I will buy food, drinks, and drugs for the party. I guarantee you, the price will be worth it and it won't be exorbitant.

Yes, I am repeating fotos, because I am stuck here in Pussy Prison and cannot take any new fotos for at least nine more days..[/QUOTE]It seems like an awesome idea but living with girls can result into countless drama episodes. If you are going to live with 3 girls it might be the best thing ever or the worse thing ever. As a student I had 3 female housemates. First month was amazing then the drama started and it was just a nightmare. Regardless of the outcome I am sure you will have a good story to tell us.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2693419]I just paid Scarlet's rent for May, about $130 USD. My favorite 3 chicas with whom I've had repeated 4-ways are all living together under her roof for the first time. I can usually recognize opportunity when I see it.

I jumped at the chance to pay rent for May, to keep them from scattering. Scarlet said I can stay there for as long as I want. Sounded like a "no-brainer" to me, jeje.

I am aiming for a party, an orgy really, with 6-7 chicas in total, including Scarlet, and perhaps one or two invited mongers / friends.

Allow me to share fotos of the current guest list below, mouseover for their names. Obviomente, these chicas will all expect to be paid. Plus, I will buy food, drinks, and drugs for the party. I guarantee you, the price will be worth it and it won't be exorbitant.

Yes, I am repeating fotos, because I am stuck here in Pussy Prison and cannot take any new fotos for at least nine more days..[/QUOTE]Also the girl in blue looks gorgeous!! Is she one of the girls you are going to be living with?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693289]I'm not sure how well this new service is going to work out for guys that want more than just cleaning services.

The idea of having to negotiate with the girl upon arrival for extra services versus beforehand could be problematic.

Could be a total wild card depending on the girl, and the customers Spanish speaking skills.[/QUOTE]"Cuanto cuesta" and use hand gestures. I've been assured that the girls are all willing to clean the apartment and clean the pipes as well. They should be able to figure it out.

One point that I hope most guys already understand, if you're just looking for sex, there are plenty of cheaper and better options. Even this company has a 'just send someone to fuck me" option. This is fantasy stuff. If the idea of a sexy girl cleaning your place raises your flagpole, it's an option.

Myself, if I was getting the service, I'd make a game of it. When the girl arrives, I hand her a note with instructions. One of the instructions, when she finds money, things get sexier, leading up to sex at the end. Before she arrives, hide 50 k notes, but don't hide them to well. Each time she finds a bill, it gets hotter. Could even leave instructions with each bill.

If you're fulfilling a fantasy, spend the money and do it right.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2693401]Visa works about 1% in on their rates. Unless you are converting from Canadian dollars to whatever, then it is 2. 5%. Sometimes sucks to be Canadian.[/QUOTE]Especially during the Stanley Cup. Just kidding.

At least you've got poutine.

From last Tuesday night until Monday I was with girl #1, at her apartment, in Bahia Solano and in my hotel. In my opinion she's spectacular in every area except 1. Sexually she's completely passive. Not starfish passive, once she gets going she can move with the best of them. First time I've ever had someone twerk on my tongue. Passive as in she won't initiate anything. I've literally got to tell her what I want her to do next.

Monday night I was on my own and mostly just rested. Tuesday I did some shopping and then met up with a friend of girl #1, who conveniently brought along a friend. We got started late because; women (or because I've bragged about not having problems with women showing up late). The original plan was to go to El Tesoro and maybe catch a movie, but trying to drive with 2 girls trying to have 5 different conversations at the same time convinced me to head to Parque Lleras where I could get a drink and some food.

We ended up at Teatro Victoria in Provenza. Nice place, we all liked the food and drinks. It's expensive, but worth it to me. Unfortunately the main girl had an 8 am class, so we cut it short. We're all supposed to get together on Sunday, which should end up getting nasty.

No money exchanged hands, although the other girl did snag the change from the parking garage that I put in the cup holder. 12 k.

Yesterday Karma decided to kick me in the sack again. The plan was to meet with girl #2 for a 2 day trip to La Pintada and for her to arrive before noon. That allowed me to check out of the hotel, get loaded up, meet her and avoid most of the traffic for the 2. 5 hour drive to La Pintada.

Lesson learned: Even if the girl has a history of being on time, you need to explain it if you're doing something out of the ordinary. She had to get her nails done. Then she needed to get a vibrator, because she forgot her toys at home (she doesn't live in Medellin, and spent the night before at her mother's house). Then she had to go back to her mom's, get her things and get a taxi and of course there was a traffic jam.

So noon turned into 3 pm and the drive took 4 hours. The toy she brought is the type that can be discretely worn under the clothes, and has a wireless remote. During one of the construction delays, I opened up the toy, and let her know it was time to test it. She didn't go for the discretely under the clothes method, shorts and panties came off and I'm happy to say the toy exceeded expectations.

Most of the rest of the drive she was nearly naked and kept herself and me aroused.

We got checked into the hotel, ate some dinner and headed to the room. The next 2 hours were well worth the wait. She's multi-orgasmic, a squirter and a queefer. Ended up with a puddle on the floor, a wet spot on the bed and 2 satisfied people.

After waking up a few times during the night, we both woke up at 7:30 for some cuddling, which progressed into a BBBJ. She ended up climbing on me, I thought just to rub her clothes across my dick, the grown-up version of sliding down the banister. Next thing I know she shifts her hips and she's plunging on me bareback. She stopped herself in few moments and grabbed a condom (I try to avoid BBFS). CG, RCG, Doggy, ending with another wet spot on the bed.

Breakfast, a walk around the property, then a short nap preceded a trip to the pool. Along the way she informed me she needed to return to Medellin this afternoon. One of those things that got lost in the discussion. She booked the room for me for 2 nights, but only 1 night for her. At noon I took her in to catch the bus and now she's gone.

The reason she needed to get back to Medellin, she invested her money in buying a bunch of virgins and she has to get back and deliver them to her customers. Before you freak out, she bought a bunch of ceramic statues of the Virgin Mary, painted them and put together Mother's Day gifts, which she's been selling.

I hadn't planned on giving her anything, but since she was taking the bus I handed her 100 k.

Some notes on her:

She's put on about 10 lbs since the last time I saw her. 7 lbs went to her tits, which she demonstrated made them better for titty fucking. In the face she looks like a young Drew Barrymore, crossed with a Persian woman, even her facial expressions are the same. Too many of the cheap tattoos for my taste, but sexually she's a serious contender. She's also the only woman I've met in Colombia with a full (trimmed) Bush.

Now I'm left with the decision to go back to Medellin today and eat the 130 k for the room, to get with one of the girls waiting for me, or stay here where there are no options.

Time to find a room for tonight.

1st time going there with a friend. Any suggestions on where to stay? Most of the places in Airbnb asking for list of names before like usual. Also where should we monger? Cartagena has old city / clock tower / space / dolce. Medellin has?

Thank you.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2693643]Also the girl in blue looks gorgeous!! Is she one of the girls you are going to be living with?[/QUOTE]My style is more "full speed ahead". There is a big difference between "living" and "staying" with these chicas. You are right about the potential drama factor. But I have known Scarlet for three years. Sam for two years. Cheery is new but her name says it all. She will never give me any trouble (never say never).

I will probably have three or more different places to choose from on any given night. I will get up in the middle of the night next to a sleeping chica to go out and fuck another one, usually to return before dawn, sometimes not (we are mongers, right)?

I already have a cheap hotel room reserved as a place to store my stuff and to use as a back-up.

Nymphette has not wavered from saying she wants me to stay with her upon arrival and that is my first "planned" stopover. Ally said the same thing yesterday and told me she wanted to come to the airport to get me, and I politely deferred to a couple of nights later. I also reconnected with Hotel Puta Central where I spent my last hours with Mini-Vennie before I left Medellin a little over a month ago, so that's an option. If any one spot gets too drama-dicey, I will hopscotch to the next best offering.

With all that said, I cannot stress enough how often "plans" change in MDE. I would be better off if I removed the word "plan" from my vocabulary. But then my little head starts thinking for my big head and here I am trying to cherry-pick pussy.

A major factor in controlling drama and keeping the peace is my system, or The List that I have been using for almost three years now. For example, Scarlet is #2 on The List, neither one of her roommates are even on The List.

Three of the seven girls on the fiesta guest list are also on The List. All the girls, on or off, know about The List. Girls with lower rankings defer to girls higher on The List. Girls not on The List obviously defer to any girls who are. There is more than that to it, but too much go into now. I always explain The List to any new girl by the end of the first date, sometimes before.

You like Soft Swirl, she was the one in blue and she is tied for Number Three on The List with Sexy Lexy. Her weight goes up and down but she is beautiful and not P4 P. I will look for a few more fotos of Soft Swirl for you. I bet more than a couple of mongers here will recall her amazing ass to waist ratio that defines poundable. She has stellar oral skills and the word "no" is not in her vocabulary. She's a Vennie, like so many of the great ones are.

Boots on the ground one week from today. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693403]I only withdraw from Colpatria ATM machines and have never seen anything asking about rates or any mention of card or translation currency. Which banks ask and provide that information as this would be helpful.

It will be interesting to see if the rate goes up in the next few days, a few weeks ago it was below 3700 COP so has gone up over 10% in a short period of time. Regardless of the exact rate today or tomorrow, at over 4000 COP I'm going to be hitting the ATM machine.[/QUOTE]Tonight at 7 pm the new [B]Visa Exchange rate[/B] is at 4,056.

Here is the link to the "Visa Exchange Rate".

[URL]https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html?amount=9&fee=0.00&utcConvertedDate=&exchangedate=05%2F05%2F2022&fromCurr=USD&toCurr=COP&submitButton=[/URL]

ALL the banks are giving you the rate on your debit card as established by Visa. You don't see this at the bank. But if you want to know what rate you are going to get from 7 pm one night to 7 pm the next night. Just go to the linked page. Plug in any number for transaction amount, plug in 0 for bank fees and plug in USA for card currency and COP for translation currency. What you see is what you'll get. It won't matter if it is Colpatria, BBVA, Davienda etc etc.

So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la próxima semana. ¿Qué es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la prxima semana. Qu es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]Wanted to send you a message but it appears you're not a paid member. PM me.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations.

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]They are not there for conversations or to be tour guides. They are there to fuck for money. Contact them when you are ready for that and tell them what time to arrive and how much you are paying. They do not have time for small talk with 1000 different guys everyday.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693289]I'm not sure how well this new service is going to work out for guys that want more than just cleaning services.

The idea of having to negotiate with the girl upon arrival for extra services versus beforehand could be problematic.

Could be a total wild card depending on the girl, and the customers Spanish speaking skills.[/QUOTE]When there are two willing participants wanting to close a deal for sex, that is motivational. Point to dick, point to mouth (hers or mine, doesn't matter), fan the cash. Add more if necessary. Or don't. Mouth just example, may point to other hole (s) as needed.

Hi.

Can anyone confirm the current going rate of Hotel M chicas? I've RTFF for 50 pages but I can't recall that detail. I'll be there next week. I have 250 mil in my head but I don't recall why!

I'll be staying at M2. Any feedback on that would also be appreciated.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la prxima semana. Qu es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]'Estoy en Medellin en la semana q viene y kiero divertirme. '.

"I'm in / will be in MDE next week and I want to have some fun."

Because while there are a lot of fun things to do in Medellin, you want to fuck. So that would be a good message to send.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2693764]Wanted to send you a message but it appears you're not a paid member. PM me.[/QUOTE]I thought I had to be a paid member to PM others? Anyways, I'm going to renew my subscription, hopefully won't take too long.

[QUOTE=FrankBills007;2693672]1st time going there with a friend. Any suggestions on where to stay? Most of the places in Airbnb asking for list of names before like usual. Also where should we monger? Cartagena has old city / clock tower / space / dolce. Medellin has?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Medellin has. A section of this forum right here that answers all of these questions.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2693736]Tonight at 7 pm the new [B]Visa Exchange rate[/B] is at 4,056.

Here is the link to the "Visa Exchange Rate".

[URL]https://usa.visa.com/support/consumer/travel-support/exchange-rate-calculator.html?amount=9&fee=0.00&utcConvertedDate=&exchangedate=05%2F05%2F2022&fromCurr=USD&toCurr=COP&submitButton=[/URL]

ALL the banks are giving you the rate on your debit card as established by Visa. You don't see this at the bank. But if you want to know what rate you are going to get from 7 pm one night to 7 pm the next night. Just go to the linked page. Plug in any number for transaction amount, plug in 0 for bank fees and plug in USA for card currency and COP for translation currency. What you see is what you'll get. It won't matter if it is Colpatria, BBVA, Davienda etc etc.[/QUOTE]This is very helpful, thanks for posting the link, I just earmarked it and will use in the future.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2693787]Medellin has. A section of this forum right here that answers all of these questions.[/QUOTE]How the hell did I miss that? Dohh! Just became member finally can send / receive PM's let's go!

[QUOTE=FrankBills007;2693672]1st time going there with a friend. Any suggestions on where to stay? Most of the places in Airbnb asking for list of names before like usual. Also where should we monger? Cartagena has old city / clock tower / space / dolce. Medellin has?

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Accommodations / chica prices are all going to depend on how much you want to spend.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2693707]My style is more "full speed ahead". There is a big difference between "living" and "staying" with these chicas. You are right about the potential drama factor. But I have known Scarlet for three years. Sam for two years. Cheery is new but her name says it all. She will never give me any trouble (never say never).

I will probably have three or more different places to choose from on any given night. I will get up in the middle of the night next to a sleeping chica to go out and fuck another one, usually to return before dawn, sometimes not (we are mongers, right)?

I already have a cheap hotel room reserved as a place to store my stuff and to use as a back-up.

Nymphette has not wavered from saying she wants me to stay with her upon arrival and that is my first "planned" stopover. Ally said the same thing yesterday and told me she wanted to come to the airport to get me, and I politely deferred to a couple of nights later. I also reconnected with Hotel Puta Central where I spent my last hours with Mini-Vennie before I left Medellin a little over a month ago, so that's an option. If any one spot gets too drama-dicey, I will hopscotch to the next best offering.

With all that said, I cannot stress enough how often "plans" change in MDE. I would be better off if I removed the word "plan" from my vocabulary. But then my little head starts thinking for my big head and here I am trying to cherry-pick pussy.

A major factor in controlling drama and keeping the peace is my system, or The List that I have been using for almost three years now. For example, Scarlet is #2 on The List, neither one of her roommates are even on The List..[/QUOTE]Like I said, regardless of the outcome, it will be an awesome story to tell.

It is very hard to keep track of your girls now. They are way too many now purrfekt Paisa, purrfekt piel, purrfest something and many many more. Now there is Cherry and I am sure in a few weeks they will be more new names. Have fun! Live life!

Girl #2 made it from La Pintada to Medellin, by bus in 3 hours. It took me 10 hours to make the same trip. By the time I got to Dorada La 70 it was after 1 am. After checking in and finding the parking garage entrance, I headed out to La 70 to find some food. Salchipapas. Screw the diet, I was hungry.

I noticed a group of 4 women hanging out in front of the hotel, and by the way they looked at me, they were definitely looking to earn some pesos.

Remember the old Deja Vu strip club signs? "100's of beautiful women and 3 ugly ones. " This morning was my Deja Vu morning. The woman I had come over has a pretty average face, nothing special. I've known her for more than 4 years and she's always had a great body. However, she just had a baby a few months ago and the body hasn't recovered yet. The tits were amazing though. I joked that this time we both had leche.

Nothing special about the sex, never is with her. I just see her every 2 or 3 trips for nostalgia and to keep myself grounded. Now it's time to check out and head to my next place.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la prxima semana. Qu es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]I use google translator, saying I want to meet for some fun blah blah, after they reply if they show interest, I tell them what I am looking for & what I will pay. Had some great experiences during my time here, lots of the FB girls have friends, have had as many as 4 at a jacuzzi party with 1 other guy. FB girls 200 k gustos asking 800 k+, I know what route I am sticking with.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2693779]Hi.

Can anyone confirm the current going rate of Hotel M chicas? I've RTFF for 50 pages but I can't recall that detail. I'll be there next week. I have 250 mil in my head but I don't recall why!

I'll be staying at M2. Any feedback on that would also be appreciated.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Current rate is about 250 k includes taxi. LOL, I can't take that walk up the steep ass hill to M2.

[QUOTE=Dasisextra;2694005] lots of the FB girls have friends, have had as many as 4 at a jacuzzi party with 1 other guy.[/QUOTE]Based on what I read here, fucking friends of friends is overlooked more than it should be, but I don't want to oversell it. Could be that it works well for me but not others.

One of the beauties is, you can start anywhere, Facebook, a casa, Ground Zero, girl from street, non-pro, strip club. All you need is one girl to start the ball rolling.

Once you find that "right" girl and she is willing include her friends, and they tell their friends, and they ask their friends, and so on, after only 5 doubling times you have 32 chicas (in a purrfekt world). Point being, even in a two week span you can have more chicas than you can handle. You will be turning off the ringer on your phone before you know it. And you can still monger however you wish in other venues while your contact list builds. You cherry pick the best girls and forget about the rest.

Reasons not to try friends of friends? You are here for a short visit and you know you are never coming back. You are a one-and-done monger who doesn't like to see the same chica twice. You don't have to build a full list. Finding one gem like this is still worth it. And don't just say "friends". Specify, sisters, cousins, mothers, grandmothers, legal-age daughters, you get the idea, jeje.

I suppose there are a few caveats. You have to know how to act in a way that makes girls want to be with you, usually but not always money takes care of that angle. Sometimes jealousy among the girls comes into play but in my experience they enjoy sharing.

Don't overlook friends of friends. So easy, you like a chica, you ask her is she has a friend who will do the same? If you have to, tell her she won't be replaced, tell her you're only asking in case she's not available. Whether or not those turn out to be lies, that's up to you. This is a No Judgement" zone. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2693771]When there are two willing participants wanting to close a deal for sex, that is motivational. Point to dick, point to mouth (hers or mine, doesn't matter), fan the cash. Add more if necessary. Or don't. Mouth just example, may point to other hole (s) as needed.[/QUOTE]You could easily close the deal with one of the cleaning ladies, yet most guys with experience in Medellin won't be utilizing this cleaning service because of the pricing, which includes both of us, as we know we could both easily find three women to provide full service, besides cleaning, for the fee they are charging, versus one maid which doesn't include sex.

So that leaves us with all the "others" who might partake in the services provided, and Jb2 pretty much articulated whom these services might be directed at, as I could see a guy throwing a bachelor party, or other get together, and having one or more maids come over, and perhaps provide services to guys at the party.

And a high roller might utilize the cleaning service as a "mobile brothel", ordering a half dozen maids, that's of course if the owner of the company would allow something like this.

It will be interesting to see how this service works out, but I doubt many, if at all on this board, will be utilizing their services.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la prxima semana. Qu es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]Why would you ask chicas that? What is fun to do in Medellin? Well you could go paragliding I suppose.

If you're trying to establish contacts for sex I'd just ask "te gustaria visitarme?" Personally I cut right to the chase and tell them what I want and what I pay but seems like you're trying to be more diplomatic than that.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2693758]So I've been trying to FB route and I'm finally getting some good candidates on my friends list. However I seem to be hitting a wall with my conversations. I'm try to ask them what would be fun to do in Medellin but I think I'm using a poorly translated message:

"Estoy visitando Medellin la prxima semana. Qu es divertido hacer en Medellin?

Does anybody have better suggestions?[/QUOTE]When you talk about having fun, depending on the context, the reader might guess it is sexual. In English. But not necessarily in another language.

I speak quite a bit of Spanish, and in translating ideas like that I have learned to opt for the most explicit way of saying things, because the ways we use language to "imply" things usually does not translate. I really don't know how a Colombian would interpret your comment. Perhaps they think you want to go to an amusement park. I don't really know. But if you ask about having fun with their body they probably would get the picture.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2694043]Well you could go paragliding I suppose.[/QUOTE]That shoot you from ground level straight up. Looks like you pull a few G's. Somewhere in MDE. Looked like fun. One of these days when I catch up with her I will get her to take me there. On her moto. That I bought her. Jajajajajajajaja I have a nice shiny new Dell laptop for her this trip. Probably I'll just leave it at the hotel reception desk for her to pick up, heaven forbid we actually see each other. I know. I'll tell her I bought a bigger dildo for her to peg me with. Then she'll come running, jajajaja, I love it.

Random gratuitous pussy parade fotos that I took and my fingers are in all of the shots, except for one, jaja.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2694061]When you talk about having fun, depending on the context, the reader might guess it is sexual. In English. But not necessarily in another language.

I speak quite a bit of Spanish, and in translating ideas like that I have learned to opt for the most explicit way of saying things, because the ways we use language to "imply" things usually does not translate. I really don't know how a Colombian would interpret your comment. Perhaps they think you want to go to an amusement park. I don't really know. But if you ask about having fun with their body they probably would get the picture.[/QUOTE]I think I've done this about 10 times.

You say Hello,. You ask how they are. You tell them you're going to be in Medellin soon. Then you say either:

1. Quiero conocerte. I want to get to know you.

2. Quiero verte. I want to see you.

3. Nos vemos? - Are we going to see each other?

There are plenty of other options.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2694061]When you talk about having fun, depending on the context, the reader might guess it is sexual. In English. But not necessarily in another language.

I speak quite a bit of Spanish, and in translating ideas like that I have learned to opt for the most explicit way of saying things, because the ways we use language to "imply" things usually does not translate. I really don't know how a Colombian would interpret your comment. Perhaps they think you want to go to an amusement park. I don't really know. But if you ask about having fun with their body they probably would get the picture.[/QUOTE]Agree with this. If you know the girl is P4P, you can straight up ask if you're able to schedule a cita (meeting) with them. From their response you can feel out if it's better for them to offer an amount or you. If the girl is what I'd call a 'soft pull girl'. Or in other words she does sleep with some guys for pay (gifts in her mind), but only if attracted and for the right price. Then I would just strongly hint at that you're looking for someone to spend your evenings with and ask when the two of you can meet. If she's game she'll likely ask where you're staying and then you can decide if you want to do dinner, drinks close by, or straight to the room. If the girl is a total non-pro, then the barrier is going to be high, and damn near impossible unless you speak Spanish and/or know some of her friends. For these girls / women you usually need to do more thoughtful and romantic things, sell them on the lifestyle, etc... I've dated 6 or 7 regular women in Colombia (models, a lawyer, a dentist, couple business / marketing managers) and you need to up your game with the experiences, but they are extremely feminine and do follow the man's lead.

Keep in mind that if a girl is taking the time to actually respond to you she's halfway interested. At least in your photos, travel, perceived lifestyle. Hopefully you don't have a bunch of fake pics in your profile b/ c that is one thing that throws up the girls BS meter.

My 2-3 cents

Thanks for all the advice guys. I've renewed my subscription so I can do PMs now.

However I find the flight to Medellin to be brutal and I'm always jetlagged for the first day or two of vacation and looking for something simple. What are the most upscale casas, aside from Loutron?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2693218]Three months is a long time to be buttering you up. I think she deserved a little cash.[/QUOTE]Mongers will say they pay a chica for this service, or to get off, or that fantasy, or that kink, or that hole. The common denominator is you are paying for their time. Sometimes you have to pay extra for special requests, but even if you sit there and recite poetry while you give her a foot massage, you owe her for her time. And of course, taxi, as always, jajaja.

I have an acquaintance and he will try to make a point to the girl after the session about how much pleasure he gave her. I tell him he is being a weasel and that's ridiculous. First, she could be faking all those orgasms. Second, you are paying for her time, not for how good you think you can make her feel. Let's assume for a moment you did bring her some pleasure. So what? That's her equivalent of a good day at the office and nothing more. You don't get a discount for patting yourself on the back about how good you licked her pussy.

There might be a little adjustment depending on the amount of physical work she had to do, but I usually settle that up front by telling the chica something like, "I'm going to pay you 120, but I promise you're not going to have to work hard" if I'm in the mood where any passive wet hole will do.

Sometimes I will be specific about what I am going to do to their bodies to frame the price. For example, imagine the work a girl does who spends an hour flat on her stomach looking at her cell phone while I fuck her pussy from behind. Not so much.

Compare that to her back propped up against the headboard, spread eagle, holding her legs up in the air, while I run laps on her three holes with my cock. The second girl will have to work a lot harder, and probably deserves to be paid more, maybe just in tip, but they both deserve to be paid for the hour, their time, equally IMO.

In the end, you pay for their time spent in your company. Even for poor service, which is very rare, I think I have always paid the agreed upon price. No tip, and I don't see the girl again, but I don't try to right the wrong in real time by withholding payment. That's your call but I would advise against pissing these girls off. Better to just move on and keep everything as smooth as possible. Ostee Out.

Tuesday night, as I reported I met up with a non-pro I know and her friend, who happens to be her cousin. The night got cut short, with plans to get together Sunday.

Last night I went to Provenza for dinner and sent a photo to non-pro and cousin. Non-pro was busy, but cousin wanted to come meet with me. All good. I have been hoping for a shot at cousin ever since non-pro sent me a video of them both several months ago. I sipped a couple of beers while I waited.

When she finally arrived she was with a friend, who was clearly a prepago and that simplified things. If she showed up alone, it could have been a friend thing, but showing up with a hooker in tow told me this was a P4 P date. During the evening she told me that non-pro had said I might be willing to help her get a new phone. I told her it's possible, reached around and squeezed her tit and smiled and repeated "es posible. " Game on.

We left about 12:30 and the pro was still tagging along. I told cousin it was just me and her. Pro had a decent body, a bit skinny for my taste, but looked worth a try. However, her face didn't do it for me. When I got an Uber, pro climbed in with us, so I explained again that she wasn't included.

I added a stop after my apartment to take the pro home, which was when the Uber driver got shitty. He passed the apartment by 2 blocks and refused to take the girl home. We got out and walked downhill in the rain, after I shared my thoughts on the subject with the driver. Once there I used InDriver to send the pro home.

Now some background. On Tuesday, I was driving and when we left the parking garage I put the change in the cupholder at the back of the console, 12-13 k. Not long after, I checked and the money was gone. It had to be cousin, so I knew she would steal from me if given the chance. I gave her the chance.

The sex was good. BBBJ and could have been BBFS, but I'm not doing that. Normally, I wouldn't let a new girl spend the night, but since I'm friends with her non-pro cousin, I knew the worst she would do is steal some money. Which she did.

I noticed she had been in my pocket (where I deliberately left the money) when I came back from cleaning up. Later on, while I was taking a dump, I heard her moving around and when I came out, it was obvious that she had been back in the pocket. No problem. What was in the pocket was less than I had planned to give her.

When I woke up this morning I checked to see how much she had taken, only 250 k and I had planned on being generous and giving her 600 k (only had 500 k, planned on an ATM visit when taking her home). Besides the fact that money was obviously missing, she had put the money back in the wrong pocket and grabbed the loose bills that weren't in the stack.

After making a big production of "noticing" the missing money she started coming up with places where I might have lost it. I explained. I explained the cupholder incident and told her that only 2 people could have the missing money and I didn't have it. She went through the motions of going through her purse, showing she didn't have my money. Repeated the process "look the money isn't in my purse. " So I grabbed her jacket and guess what I found in her pocket.

No anger, no yelling, none of that. After a few moments of eye contact she broke down and started crying. I took the money, added another 100 k and told her take it. She refused. Lots of tears, but she wouldn't take the money. After giving her a 30 minute lesson on human behavior and informing her that I knew when she arrived that she would try to take the money, I convinced her to take the money and took her home.

I know what some of you are thinking. By normal rates she earned 400 k for TLN. By my thinking, which involves some benefits with non-pro, I was going to give her 600 k. She got less than she earned, I paid less than I expected and everyone walks away satisfied.

Here's the lessons:

1. Don't carry more than you're prepared to lose.

2. Put your valuables out of the reach of temptation. My wallet with all the important stuff was where she couldn't get it.

3. Don't leave a girl unattended in your room.

4. Know your risks. I knew she wouldn't drug me or do anything crazy. Losing face with her family was her biggest fear. All I was risking was 500 k. If you're in a secured building, your risks are reduced. If you have ways to identify the girl, your risks are reduced.

5. Overnight stays are for people who you have experience with.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694275]Tuesday night, as I reported I met up with a non-pro I know and her friend, who happens to be her cousin. The night got cut short, with plans to get together Sunday. [/QUOTE]Years back in Barcelona, I had a fun night in my hotel room with a blonde Colombian chica. She left my hotel room right before check-out time. As I was packing to also check out, I found out that my lose euros were stolen from the front pocket of my bag, 7 or 8 euros in coins and a 10 euro bill, not a big deal for me. Then just as I was about to head down to reception to turn my key card in, I discovered that she had left her tiny bag hanging on the bathroom door, behind a towel that she used. She must forgot that she left her spare bag there and covered it with a towel herself, well LOL. She also left 35 euros in that bag. So I took the money and left the bag there.

So basically I lost about 17 or18 euros, but found 35. If she did not steal my money, I would have turned the bag to the hotel reception with her money in it. I am not sure if she had the courage to return for her bag after stealing my money. At the end, her money made up what she stole from me, and a little discount for her service.

Hey Medellin mongers,

In the Bogota community we have created this map [URL]http://colombiasexmap.com/[/URL] with all the Bogota massage parlors, houses, night clubs and streetwalkers we know.

I added support for Medellin as well but have added only 2 places so far. If you can help with information about more places to be added, that would be great! Please include prices and the date where you visited for the last time.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694275]Game on.[/QUOTE]I think it was Einstein who said something to the effect (I am very loosely paraphrasing), "If I can't trust you with the little things, how can you expect me to trust you with the big things"?

I don't understand the angle or why the nameless non-pro brought a prepago with her? Was that because they were already friends? What was the angle there?

Good illustrative story with some common pitfalls. Better ending than most. As the saying goes, "I'd rather be lucky than good".

I find it amusing that a lot of times even guys with some experience like you and me (hope you don't mind the lumping) will knowingly set ourselves up for trouble. Guilty as charged. Not exposing yourself to more than you can afford to lose is a good strategy, sounded to me like you were taking it further and baiting her.

One time I had a maid clean me out after I showed her where I hid my money. The amount was a tiny blip on my radar, but the information and lesson learned was valuable. I thought she was different and becoming a true friend and I wanted to see if I could trust her.

Silver lining to that story, that mishap ended up galvanizing the relationship I was having with the hotel manager, who is anxiously awaiting my return this Thursday. You may recall I have Managerette tagged as "the most conservative girl in Colombia" and to say our relationship is unique would be an understatement, as well as one of the biggest sexual turn-onsI have going for the time being.

I was supposed to go directly to Nymphette's hotel upon arrival Thu, but her most recent message to me yesterday was that she was going to have to pawn her phone and now she doesn't respond. She wasn't asking me for money, although I am sure she would've taken it. I set limits and her expectations for that weeks ago when I told I would not send her one peso until I saw her again, obviously code for P4P.

Don't know how this will play out but I have options. In my experience, nothing ever goes as planned in MDE. I am not disappointed, mainly curious if I am going to hear from her again.

Photos are all of Catgirl, my Numero Uno Novia. We've beaten the odds and been together for over two years now. Whatever happens from this point on is icing on the cake and I don't think either one of us is looking for the exit sign any time soon.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694275]I know what some of you are thinking. By normal rates she earned 400 k for TLN. By my thinking, which involves some benefits with non-pro, I was going to give her 600 k. She got less than she earned, I paid less than I expected and everyone walks away satisfied.

Here's the lessons:

1. Don't carry more than you're prepared to lose.

2. Put your valuables out of the reach of temptation. My wallet with all the important stuff was where she couldn't get it.

3. Don't leave a girl unattended in your room.

4. Know your risks. I knew she wouldn't drug me or do anything crazy. Losing face with her family was her biggest fear. All I was risking was 500 k. If you're in a secured building, your risks are reduced. If you have ways to identify the girl, your risks are reduced.

5. Overnight stays are for people who you have experience with.[/QUOTE]This non-pro was lucky to have been with you, as other guys would not of been as magnanimous as you given her trying to steal from you and getting caught red handed. And your story begs the question whether there was a security box in the room, which I'm assuming there wasn't.

Unfortunately here in Colombia, versus other mongering venues in the world, you have to operate here as though every girl if given the chance, will try to rob you, and some are very very good at it as I have learned.

I remember once in Centro years ago I had put my pants on the night stand beside the bed which had my wallet in it, and when getting the blow job while laying down things seemed a bit odd as she made me stay flat on my back and didn't want me to sit up, and after the session, and paying her, I noticed I had like 50 K missing from my wallet.

At the time my Spanish was not good enough to engage her about this, so I did nothing, and just wrote it off.

Lesson learned from then on, when I'm in a Love motel, my pants are put in my backpack which I lock, and keep in sight at all times.

When I do overnighters, even with girls I've known awhile, I lock everything up because they might be in such dire situation, they might try to rob you even if you've know them for a long time.

You just can't ever let your guard down in Colombia, as the moment you do, something happens.

It sounds like you enjoyed the sex with this non-pro, so that's good, and you paid less than you planned on paying, so that's good as well, but as far as the drama, some guys might have let her walk with only cab fare.

Again, this girl was very lucky being with you.

I got 4056 yesterday from a Davivienda ATM, no complaints. The gotcha exchange rate offer is disappointing but I don't let it trip me up.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2693302]This is insane, and I wonder how much higher the exchange rate is going to go. Seems as though since the Federal Reserve has been raising the interest rates the exchange rate get's better and better.

Time to hit the ATM's![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694275]2. Put your valuables out of the reach of temptation. My wallet with all the important stuff was where she couldn't get it.[/QUOTE]Sounds good, but why leave your $ out in the living room with her access to it while you are in the bathroom taking a dump? You did the same thing years ago in a strip club, left your pants out in the room when you went to the bathroom, rather than rolling them up and taking them with you.

Here's a song for you.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXW-sL5gzHQ[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2694371] And your story begs the question whether there was a security box in the room, which I'm assuming there wasn't.[/QUOTE]There was no need for a security box, most of which are hardly foolproof as hotel or apartment staff can get in them. It happened while he was taking a dump, so all he had to do was take his money with him to the bathroom, rolled up in his pants. That's what you do gentlemen, whether in a casa, a strip club, your own apartment or hotel, you name it. Take your money with you to the bathroom, especially if you are taking a dump! Wink.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2694348]

Photos are all of Catgirl, my Numero Uno Novia. We've beaten the odds and been together for over two years now. Whatever happens from this point on is icing on the cake and I don't think either one of us is looking for the exit sign any time soon.[/QUOTE]Kudos to you and good decision to stick with her after her gain of many covid kilos. Personally I couldn't have done that as fat chicas make my dick limp. But she's looking good again so you done right.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2694371]

You just can't ever let your guard down in Colombia, as the moment you do, something happens.

[/QUOTE]Mr. E said it best a few months ago "stealing is part of the job description". Although I've never had a stealing experience I've always viewed it the same way. Well I did once have a chica at New Life try to steal from my pockets while I was in the shower but I looked out and caught her. Now I always roll up my jeans and keep them in eye's view. And even with chicas I've been seeing for years I don't leave my money lay out for them to be tempted. Why do that when you know how much a few pesos means to them. Which reminds me I wonder how slapshot is doing? And I guess Sjobs in a goner we'll never hear from again.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2694447]Kudos to you and good decision to stick with her[/QUOTE]Catgirl's weight yoyo's. I like fat chicas. Skinny ones, tall, short, dark, light, you get the idea. The only recent foto of her from the previous post was the one on the far right, taken the same day.

I will post another foto of her from today. I don't think I would dump her for gaining weight. I don't believe she would ever get ridiculously huge because she's too vain. She's being pragmatic at the moment because she knows the bigger her ass gets, the more followers she gets on TikTok.

Catgirl has a respectable 160 K followers in a few months, and that's after having to start over one time at zero about six weeks ago after TikTok closed her account. Probably for showing and shaking too much ass if I know Catgirl, jaja, I wasn't watching then. In fact, I only recently started following her because I realized it hurt her feelings if I didn't.

Typical male pig that I am, I told her why should I watch videos of you when you're my girlfriend and we fuck in real life? Girls don't see it like that. They want to know that you find them attractive especially in a setting like TikTok. I don't need any feedback on what anyone here thinks of Catgirl's beauty, but I will add that I have dated some great looking girls in my life, and for some strange reason, the better looking the chica, the more insecure she will be on the inside about her looks.

I am loving TikTok because it is putting money in her pocket. It's her job now. I don't bust her chops for getting chubby. She's young, she loves her salchipappas with ALL the sauces, four of five different bottles. If I think she need to slow her roll and shed some of the baby phat, I tell her to use one or two sauces instead of four or five, and that usually does the trick, jajaja.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2694447]Kudos to you and good decision to stick with her after her gain of many covid kilos. Personally I couldn't have done that as fat chicas make my dick limp. But she's looking good again so you done right.

Mr. E said it best a few months ago "stealing is part of the job description". Although I've never had a stealing experience I've always viewed it the same way. Well I did once have a chica at New Life try to steal from my pockets while I was in the shower but I looked out and caught her. Now I always roll up my jeans and keep them in eye's view. And even with chicas I've been seeing for years I don't leave my money lay out for them to be tempted. Why do that when you know how much a few pesos means to them. Which reminds me I wonder how slapshot is doing? And I guess Sjobs in a goner we'll never hear from again.[/QUOTE]There are a few possibilities, he really wanted to slip into Colombia.

So maybe he went for the Darien Gap option and that took him out?

Or he made it to MDE and trouble found him and he's chilling in jail or the morgue / landfill?

Vamos a culiar?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694071]I think I've done this about 10 times.

You say Hello,. You ask how they are. You tell them you're going to be in Medellin soon. Then you say either:

1. Quiero conocerte. I want to get to know you.

2. Quiero verte. I want to see you.

3. Nos vemos? - Are we going to see each other?

There are plenty of other options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2694447]Kudos to you and good decision to stick with her after her gain of many covid kilos. Personally I couldn't have done that as fat chicas make my dick limp. But she's looking good again so you done right.

Mr. E said it best a few months ago "stealing is part of the job description". Although I've never had a stealing experience I've always viewed it the same way. Well I did once have a chica at New Life try to steal from my pockets while I was in the shower but I looked out and caught her. Now I always roll up my jeans and keep them in eye's view. [/QUOTE]There you go my brother, standard procedure, so standard that we think it's not worth mentioning but it always is. It's worth mentioning every week if our community means anything.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2693020]I totally agree. The cost per month has prevented me from using it for my upcoming trip to Medellin. I can see where it would be beneficial in other places. But in Medellin, where FB is so prevalent amongst chicas, the cost / benefit analysis just didn't make sense to me.[/QUOTE]What is process to get fb girls. I tried various search and failed to go anywhere.

[QUOTE=Aureliano16;2694324]Hey Medellin mongers,

In the Bogota community we have created this map [URL]http://colombiasexmap.com/[/URL] with all the Bogota massage parlors, houses, night clubs and streetwalkers we know.

I added support for Medellin as well but have added only 2 places so far. If you can help with information about more places to be added, that would be great! Please include prices and the date where you visited for the last time.[/QUOTE]Below is Traverl69's latest map (that I know of). He works hard on these, so please do give him some co-credit and share what you find with him. I find his maps very easy to use with google maps and you can turn on / off.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&ll=6.224431961843611%2C-75.55156482421874&z=13&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd[/URL]

Jaja, this time I will be the one changing the plans. New chica, another Web cam model from MDE, we haven't met in person yet but she was shaping up nicely and steadily until she mentioned that she did not make enough money camming yesterday to buy food for herself or her dogs. First thing that strikes me is the amazing number of chicas I know in MDE who can barely feed themselves but own purebred dogs.

Long story longer, of course I make small talk about her dogs. Two almost full-grown Pit Bulls, see screenshot I captured off the video she sent me. The dogs sleep in her bed with her. Of course, like every idiot Pit Bull owner in the world she tells me how loveable and gentle they are (please don't reply here to me about how loveable and gentle your Pit Bulls are).

So I says to her I says, "Have they ever watched you getting fucked before"? She replies, "No". I told her, "Are you crazy? They will think I am attacking you and they will bite me"!

She was one of my "options" of where to stay when I land in MDE on Thu and I was looking forward to it because she is the nasty one I posted about before with the rich ass who likes to gape all her holes. I guess if you are the suspicious type you could say she was trying to scare me off but I can tell that's not it, she's into me for the moment. And the more we Whassap, the more I like her and the better she looks, jaja.

I told my wingman and before I could finish the story he said, "I'll come visit you in the hospital'. He was shocked when I told him this time I was going to use the big head instead of my little head, jajajaja.

I think we will still get to fuck, but it won't be at her place and I won't be staying there. Osteeeeee Oouuuuut!

P.S. Newbies, don't do what I do! Going to a girl's apartment or house who you don't know well or have never met could be a trap for kidnapping, torture, ransom and worse! Yes, it's rare but that shit does happen. I had this horrible feeling suddenly that based on what I wrote here some one goes out there and gets himself into a horrible situation. Let it happen to me, but not you. I have written many times here, you will probably learn more from me about what NOT to do, than what to do. In the meantime, we will all Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2694496]Vamos a culiar?[/QUOTE]Well maybe. Buy me a few drinks and let's see what happens.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2694371]Lesson learned from then on, when I'm in a Love motel, my pants are put in my backpack which I lock, and keep in sight at all times.[/QUOTE]I roll mine up and use them as a pillow.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2694470]Catgirl's weight yoyo's. I like fat chicas. Skinny ones, tall, short, dark, light, you get the idea. The only recent foto of her from the previous post was the one on the far right, taken the same day.

I will post another foto of her from today. I don't think I would dump her for gaining weight. I don't believe she would ever get ridiculously huge because she's too vain. She's being pragmatic at the moment because she knows the bigger her ass gets, the more followers she gets on TikTok.

Catgirl has a respectable 160 K followers in a few months, and that's after having to start over one time at zero about six weeks ago after TikTok closed her account. Probably for showing and shaking too much ass if I know Catgirl, jaja, I wasn't watching then. In fact, I only recently started following her because I realized it hurt her feelings if I didn't..[/QUOTE]My Girl#1 and Girl#2 both put on weight twice during the pandemic. At the beginning of the quarantines Girl#1 stopped working out and wasn't able to attend her practices. The team she's on was doing zoom practices, which can't be as strenuous. Once she could start running again and the team could practice again, the weight came off. Then she went through a patch where she was fighting daily with her mother and put on some chub. Once I scheduled my trip, she started working out with her sister, so now she's maybe a couple pounds heavier, but nothing I'm going to complain about. I think she's also aged out of the team, so she's no longer training and practicing for competition.

Girl#2 owned a drink cart, pushed it around one of the nicer parts of El Centro selling cocktails and fruit juices. The pandemic took away that exercise, and left her bored at home. Once she could get out again, back to fighting weight. Then she took a real job. According to her it was a toxic work environment, lots of stress, she gained several pounds, to the point I wondered if I was still going to be interested.

She made a few comments about getting fat. I told her if she doesn't want to be fat, exercise more, which she's been doing. She also quit her job and got out of that environment. Where she's at now is fine, although losing 5# would be better. With her it works either way, because she's already got the curves.

With women and self-esteem issues, I think there's a range. Towards the bottom of the beauty scale, the Pi's (I'm now using a scale from pi to Avogadro's number 6.022 x 10²³), you get fat, ugly girls who think they're beauty queens. Going up from there the self-esteem drops until it matches the looks. From there it drops further until you get beautiful girls doing extreme shit because they think they're fat or ugly. At the top of the scale, the Moles need an entourage telling them they're beautiful or they fall to pieces.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2694426]I got 4056 yesterday from a Davivienda ATM, no complaints. The gotcha exchange rate offer is disappointing but I don't let it trip me up.[/QUOTE]I just checked what the VISA exchange rate is for today, their website says it's 4086 COP to 1 USD.

I pulled out 5,000,000 yesterday, and as long as the rate keeps climbing, I will be pulling out money for awhile.

The last time I saw rates above 4,000 COP was a while ago, and then it dropped almost 10% for awhile and I stopped pulling money out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2694670]I roll mine up and use them as a pillow.[/QUOTE]You must be staying in Love Motels with no pillows, sorry to hear that. LOL.

That type of sneaky betrayal is what pisses me off. Like at surfer mentioned she was lucky that you are a stand up guy and still attempts to take advantage of you.

I will leave little nuggets of opportunity for chicas to screw me over or do the right thing so I can know what I'm dealing with; even in the states.

The lessons are spot on but a lot of guys get sauced out of there minds or can't push back when things are off.

One good CYA tactic is to take their ID and snap a picture of it next to her face or your ID. Although easier said then done.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694275]Here's the lessons:

1. Don't carry more than you're prepared to lose.
2. Put your valuables out of the reach of temptation. My wallet with all the important stuff was where she couldn't get it.

3. Don't leave a girl unattended in your room.

4. Know your risks. I knew she wouldn't drug me or do anything crazy. Losing face with her family was her biggest fear. All I was risking was 500 k. If you're in a secured building, your risks are reduced. If you have ways to identify the girl, your risks are reduced.

5. Overnight stays are for people who you have experience with.[/QUOTE]

It's almost time to go back to work and I'm feeling okay about it. This trip has been different, but overall I'm quite pleased with the way everything turned out. Here's a breakdown:

Climate.

There's been quite a bit of rain in Medellin, enough to get me wet a few times. I carry a light, mostly water resistant hoodie, which is about right. On the plus side, the clouds and rain have kept the temperature perfect. I haven't used the air conditioning except for a few times during the day. Nights have been the perfect temperature for sleeping.

Lodging.

My first nights was spent in Girl#1's house. It's a nice place with the tiniest bathrooms I've ever seen and hot water. She has 2 dogs and 2 cats, so if pet hair is a problem you probably won't want to stay there. Plus, I'm not giving out her number.

The next 3 nights were in a beach cabin in El Valle on the pacific coast. Along with 1 night in Hotel Costa Choco in Bahia Solano. Reports in the other areas thread.

The next 3 nights were in Hotel Arame in Envigado. It's a short walk from Viva Mall and the Envigado metro station.

I went for a room with a jacuzzi, which ended up being a corner room. 2 walls floor to ceiling glass, with decent blackout shades. It was quiet and comfortable. There was only 1 girl who came to visit and they checked Cedula and called before sending her up. There was no extra charge. If you're low volume on the girls, this might be worth considering. Cost was about $60 per night.

The next night was in La Pintada at Hosteria Farallones. Nice place, air conditioning, clean, pool, meals included. Somewhere around $30 per night. Review soon in other areas.

I spent 1 night in a double balcony room at Hotel Dorado La 70. Noise wasn't too bad, big comfortable room (much bigger than needed) and very clean. Staff was great. The room was expensive at $110, but that's one of the most expensive rooms. Only 1 girl visited. Cedula check and call to the room. No problems, no extra charges. Great location.

My last 2 nights and tonight are at an Airbnb in Poblado, up the hill from the big Starbucks. This place is top notch. Quiet area, gated access, parking, pool, a big jacuzzi, marble floors, nice bathroom 70 inch TV with Netflix, 5 G WIFI, accent lighting. The one girl who came in with me, they scanned in her cedula. The kitchen is a bit basic, but it has the necessities, except a corkscrew and bottle opener. Cost is about $130 per night. If you're going to do loud parties, or cycle through 4 girls per day you might have problems. If bringing in 1 or 2 girls and having a fun time in jacuzzi and bed, it's great.

Transportation.

I've only done 1 taxi, a couple of Uber and InDriver rides. Mostly no complaints. I've also had a rental SUV, plus a few rides with Girl#1 and her sister. No metro this time. Driving in Medellin isn't something I recommend, because I've seen the way most people drive in the US. Full attention, the right attitude and patience in the inevitable traffic jams are required.

The girls.

Most of my time was spent with 2 non-pros. Both were great. There was 1 session with 1 Facebook girl and she was just okay. She's been a regular for a few years. Nice girl, good sessions, but this time she had some personal issues. The last girl might be on Facebook, but I don't think anyone wants to connect with her, she's a thief. No complaints about her performance though. Tonight and tomorrow might be off days. I'm not feeling any pressure, but we'll see.

So I'm travelling solo in Medellin again and I regret not spending more time practicing my Spanish (I blame it on too much work and the covid blues). It feels like even most of the tourists here are Spanish speaking during this rainy season.

Not sure what to do for fun yet, probably going to kick my jet lag before I hit up my Facebook contacts. However, as you guys advised, most of the girls on there are just doing business. The last time I was in Medellin the best experience I had was meeting a regular girl on Tinder and we went to an awesome night club in a more obscure part of town. We didn't even have sex afterwards but I danced my ass off, we made out a little bit, and finished the night with a greasy burger.

If I'm real desperate I might hit up [URL]Medellinvip.net[/URL]. Have any of you tried it?

In other news the Loutron is the same as I remember. Plenty of top-notch girls but some of them have been ruined by excessive plastic surgery. I don't have any problems with plastic surgery until it goes too far, and I still cannot find balloon butts to be attractive. I don't know if it was the Kardashians or Nicki Minaj who made that look popular but I will hate them forever. I weep for the millions of booties that have been ruined and the thousands of patients who have died getting this risky procedure (let's not forget how Kanye's mother died).

My main gripe with the Loutron is just the hassle of getting a ride there and back, hence why I was asking about the most upscale Casas or massage parlors. Any advice?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2694311]Years back in Barcelona, I had a fun night in my hotel room with a blonde Colombian chica. She left my hotel room right before check-out time. As I was packing to also check out, I found out that my lose euros were stolen from the front pocket of my bag, 7 or 8 euros in coins and a 10 euro bill, not a big deal for me. Then just as I was about to head down to reception to turn my key card in, I discovered that she had left her tiny bag hanging on the bathroom door, behind a towel that she used. She must forgot that she left her spare bag there and covered it with a towel herself, well LOL. She also left 35 euros in that bag. So I took the money and left the bag there.

So basically I lost about 17 or18 euros, but found 35. If she did not steal my money, I would have turned the bag to the hotel reception with her money in it. I am not sure if she had the courage to return for her bag after stealing my money. At the end, her money made up what she stole from me, and a little discount for her service.[/QUOTE]I expect every prostitute I make love to to want to steal from me. They are not in bed with me because they like me. Every human being seeks money, some do it differently from others. Like everyone else a prostitute is out to get as much money as she can. Like everyone else she'll try to augment her income every which way possible.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2694746]she'll try to augment her income every which way possible.[/QUOTE]You really can't have a conversation about P4P girls stealing in Colombia and not mention papaya. To them it's not stealing, it's papaya. I'm not kidding when I write that you can catch a girl red-handed, ten minutes later put her on a lie detector machine and at least half of them will pass with flying colors.

If you made "it" available to steal, that means you don't need it as much as they do, and it is their destiny to take it. I am not excusing the behavior, but once you understand papaya, if you get stung, really it's your own fault for not taking common-sense precautions. Room safes are a very valuable asset and that is exactly what they are designed for, to protect your cash, passport, credit cards, etc. While you have guests in your room. Beware, these girls are line-of-sight experts and will be watching you enter the code to your room safe if when you think they can't see your hands or are not watching you. I much prefer a room with a safe.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2694746]I expect every prostitute I make love to to want to steal from me. They are not in bed with me because they like me. Every human being seeks money, some do it differently from others. Like everyone else a prostitute is out to get as much money as she can. Like everyone else she'll try to augment her income every which way possible.[/QUOTE]I've never had a tute steal any money from me ever. I never give them an opportunity to by always keeping my valuables locked up whenever I bring someone to my room. First thing that happens is that wallet, watch, jewelry and other valuables like cameras and phones go straight into the safe!

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2694730]That type of sneaky betrayal is what pisses me off. Like at surfer mentioned she was lucky that you are a stand up guy and still attempts to take advantage of you.

I will leave little nuggets of opportunity for chicas to screw me over or do the right thing so I can know what I'm dealing with; even in the states.

The lessons are spot on but a lot of guys get sauced out of there minds or can't push back when things are off.

One good CYA tactic is to take their ID and snap a picture of it next to her face or your ID. Although easier said then done.[/QUOTE]It didn't really make me angry, at least on my scale which runs from "well excuse me" to Hiroshima. My little head wanted to fuck her my big head said she's a thief. We got together and figured it out.

With a complete unknown girl, one who I have nothing on, I'd never take that risk. Once she was in the room, I thought about it 3 or 4 times, as I was putting my important stuff in a safe place. I could have made it nearly impossible, but decided it was better to give her the opportunity. If she didn't take the opportunity, maybe she gets a repeat.

She sent me several "forgive me" messages yesterday. Here's what the last one said:

"boss I really feel very ashamed for what happened, I hope you can forgive me with all your heart and thank you also for the great life lesson you gave me".

She uses translator a lot, which tells me I'm not the first gringo dick she's ridden.

[QUOTE=FlagRunner77;2693032]You can pay for just one month, but it is expensive compared to other dating type apps. I just don't see the need when there are so many chicas on FB. In other locations, FB isn't a thing for pros or semi-pros, so SA would make more sense in those places. But there are many reports of good success with SA in Medellin. I just don't feel the need to pay that cost. A few hours on FB will give you many, many options for free.[/QUOTE]How do I find these girls on FB? IS there a specific fb group to find them?

Gent's.

I'd like to start and say I'm a contributing senior member on the usa sister site. With that being said I am planning a solo trip to Medellin in the end of the month. It has been about 10 years since I was last in Medellin. Last time I was there I stayed at the Mansion. I have never been to a Casa or strip club in Medellin. Any suggestions on the best area to stay in and other places I should definitely check out? I know I should check out Energy, Zanday, but I will only have 3 days in Medellin and want to make the most of it. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has any of you guys heard of Eron W33 dMan on fb?

Thanks in Advance.

GV.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2694634]Below is Traverl69's latest map (that I know of). He works hard on these, so please do give him some co-credit and share what you find with him. I find his maps very easy to use with google maps and you can turn on / off.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&ll=6.224431961843611%2C-75.55156482421874&z=13&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd[/URL][/QUOTE]Does anyone know how to save this map offline to work with offline google maps? This is a pretty good map. Thanks Travrl69 for putting this together.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2694800]"boss I really feel very ashamed for what happened, I hope you can forgive me with all your heart and thank you also for the great life lesson you gave me".[/QUOTE]"Given the chance, I will do it again" (steal).

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2694654]Jaja, this time I will be the one changing the plans. New chica, another Web cam model from MDE, we haven't met in person yet but she was shaping up nicely and steadily until she mentioned that she did not make enough money camming yesterday to buy food for herself or her dogs. First thing that strikes me is the amazing number of chicas I know in MDE who can barely feed themselves but own purebred dogs.

Long story longer, of course I make small talk about her dogs. Two almost full-grown Pit Bulls, see screenshot I captured off the video she sent me. The dogs sleep in her bed with her. Of course, like every idiot Pit Bull owner in the world she tells me how loveable and gentle they are (please don't reply here to me about how loveable and gentle your Pit Bulls are).

So I says to her I says, "Have they ever watched you getting fucked before"? She replies, "No". I told her, "Are you crazy? They will think I am attacking you and they will bite me"!.[/QUOTE]On the topic of camgirls, has anyone here managed to coordinate plans with one successfully? I recall a post from a veteran user mentioning that if you are engaging with a Colombian camgirl working for a studio, typically the one you are typing with is a manager sitting behind the camera and she is fake typing and the manager tells the camgirl how to react to messages (must have been JjBee62, so thank you for sharing info if it was you). If that is true, hats off to the studios because that is quite the coordination effort.

I've spent a bit of time on Chaturbate (webcam site) recently just to try and get a gauge at how these webcam studios operate and it's not easy hahah. I spoke to one; she said she was from the Coffee Triangle region and I told her I'd fly her down to Medellin to party a couple days. After talking a bit I told her to give me her Instagram so I could track her down when it's time. The Instagram was a work account w / professional photoshoots and whatnot but it also had a couple of her tiktok videos and I still couldn't get a feeling of whether I was talking to her or some operator even when messaging on Instagram for days. It's not like it was a celebrity account, it has maybe 200 followers, most of whom are probably guys who came from camgirl sites. My trip to Medellin will most likely be postponed so I've mostly dropped it for now.

Anyway, just jotting down some thoughts on paper. Apologize if this came off as absolutely useless and is taking up unnecessary space but I figured maybe someone will want to pick up on my investigations on Colombian webcam studios where I left off or maybe someone is able to provide superior info altogether on how they operate.

Osteoknot, I'll try digging through your post history to see what went down on your previous engagements with mentioned camgirl and wish you the best of luck on how the situation evolves with the current.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2694822]Gent's.

I'd like to start and say I'm a contributing senior member on the usa sister site. With that being said I am planning a solo trip to Medellin in the end of the month. It has been about 10 years since I was last in Medellin. Last time I was there I stayed at the Mansion. I have never been to a Casa or strip club in Medellin. Any suggestions on the best area to stay in and other places I should definitely check out? I know I should check out Energy, Zanday, but I will only have 3 days in Medellin and want to make the most of it. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Has any of you guys heard of Eron W33 dMan on fb?.[/QUOTE]You need to give us more to work with. Any suggestions right now are just going to be everyone's personal preference which might be useless to you.

You mentioned staying at the Mansion. Without knowing more about your situation, that's possibly a good place, especially if you're only here for 3 days and want to maximize your time. If you've got the stamina (I don't), you could do 12-15 girls in 3 days and never need to go more than 3 blocks away.

If you have loaded up a bunch of Facebook girls, depending on your budget, there are several options, in different areas of the city.

If you're just wanting to do casas during the day and strip clubs at night, there are also several options to reduce the time wasted in transportation.

I don't know Eron, although we have over 200 mutual friends.

More specific information on what your plans are would help to get more refined information.

One last thing. If you're only coming for 3 days, pick one or 2 things and stick with those.

There is a love motel row on Calle 51, between Blvr. Libertadores De América and Cra 67 B. There are several large love motels on that street, all conveniently located super close to the stadium. You can reserve from evening to next day, or a 4 hour block. My housemate and I did not want to bring girls back to our apartment, so we booked two rooms instead. Just FYI.

Is Lleras park the best place for a first timer to stay in Poblado or is there too much commotion?

In regards to procuring prepago chicas, where should I visit first? I plan to stay in Poblado.

[QUOTE=ArinBlack;2694894]Is Lleras park the best place for a first timer to stay in Poblado or is there too much commotion?

In regards to procuring prepago chicas, where should I visit first? I plan to stay in Poblado.[/QUOTE]In my opinion poblado is the best place to start. I like to stay in Hotel Haven walk over to parque lleras and pick out what you like.

[QUOTE=ArinBlack;2694894]Is Lleras park the best place for a first timer to stay in Poblado or is there too much commotion?

In regards to procuring prepago chicas, where should I visit first? I plan to stay in Poblado.[/QUOTE]There are 100's of ways to monger while you're here in Medellin. I think Poblado is over-priced. But of course, I live here so that obviously changes the equation. If you are a casa kind of guy you might stay closer to El Centro. If you are a FB hunter, I would think Laureles is much better. Lots of girl live in the North and Laureles is closer with less traffic congestion. If you are new and not willing to learn a little Spanish. You would probably find a lot of like minded guys staying at the Mansion (which is in Poblado but not super close to Parque Lleras).

The point is there are lots of ways to pursue your pleasures and a lot of places to do it.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2694853]On the topic of camgirls, has anyone here managed to coordinate plans with one successfully? Osteoknot, I'll try digging through your post history to see what went down on your previous engagements with mentioned camgirl and wish you the best of luck on how the situation evolves with the current.[/QUOTE]Call me Asti, that is the Spanish spelling of my name, Ostee.

I've had some great experiences including a few chicas I see to this day that started out purely as girls I saw on-line Web camming. With that said, looking back, it wasn't easy and my overall success rate is very low, if defined as fucking a girl I first saw on-line as a Web cam model. I happen to enjoy the process so not getting to fuck the girl in the end is not a "failure" to me.

The big plus for me in meeting up with a Web cam model is that you first get to watch her in detail, see her naked, and develop a rapor. If you want to inspect her pussy while she spreads it open with both hands, easily doable. You can find out if she laughs at your jokes.

The obvious drawback is you have to go though a lot of girls to find a winner, Without any false humility, I have gotten good at it with practice and knowing what to write, what do do. Good writing skills help. Short and to the point. Not like I write here, jajajaja.

I think the pitfalls could be as you described but I believe I weed out the managers, pimps, boyfriends, fakes and bosses fairly quickly. I once set up a chica for two years before I saw her but it wasn't like I was pushing for it the entire time. She lived in Cali and eventually it was like, yeah, we both want to see each other, and did.

Another important point is I don't make it look like them as though I am just trying to find a girl on-line to fuck. I try to show a genuine interest in them. I am sure there are girls on-line who are actively seeking P4 P and nothing more, but there are waaaaay more chicas who want to make their money on-line and not ever touch a greasy Gringo. If a chica says you are the first user she ever met in-person from the Internet, unless you can lick your eyebrows and your last name starts with M and rhymes with tusk, it's bullshit.

I have refused Web cam models who were too aggressive on wanting to meet in real-life. Make sure you can control the setting of your first meeting, either in public or someplace with security. Don't walk into a trap. I've never run into this issue but it only takes one time to ruin a life.

If I have a pearl, it's this. The goal for me is to get the model to switch over to WhatsApp as quickly as possible and then use Whassap (my slang) for most of the communicating. To my memory, I have never paid the "tip" for a model's Whassap. If she insists on being paid then she is not into you enough to hookup in real life so I use that as a weed-out. Ignore their Tip Menu that says they want hundreds or even thousand of tokens for their Whassap.

They give their Whassap number obviously in Private Messaging or I write my number. If they are going to call you, they will call right away, usually while I am still on line chatting with them in their room. If they don't call right away, strike them off your list.

Oh, this is huge and honestly did not dawn on me until today. There are different "levels" of Users based on tipping tokens. I won't say you can't get their attention without tipping, at least at first, but put yourself in their shoes. Who would you respond to? Some guy who looks like a jerk doing free Dirty Talk, or someone who can ask a question with a tip?

Not all chicas are working from studios, I don't know what percentage cam from home. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]. You learn a lot about camming when you live with a model or watch it being done. Web camming is so popular in Colombia, supposedly number one in the world per capita, that you should randomly find yourself talking to a Web cam model at some point in your mongering. When you do, pick her brain. Ask her what would an on-line user have to do to get her to meet him in real life?

In summary, get the model switched over to WhatsApp ASAP and you should be able to tell from pics, the way the write, the context, that it's real. I have found there are two kinds of Web cam models, those who will say or do anything to separate you from your money without any intention of ever seeing you in person, and those who genuinely want to meet for fun, money, sex, companionship, friendship and more. Good luck on telling the difference, it ain't easy. Don't feel bad if you get fooled, just cut the line and move on to the next one. Winners learn from the mistakes then proceed without fear of failure. Sorry for the long answer when you weren't looking for one, but I feel like a few others might have found this helpful. Osteeeeee Oouuuuuut!

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2694919]In my opinion poblado is the best place to start. I like to stay in Hotel Haven walk over to parque lleras and pick out what you like.[/QUOTE]But Parque Lleras is closed still, right?

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Reposting this map that someone made which is a goldmine for locations.

Some notable ones I found on it already were Lleras, Centro (Veracruz area), Energy, Fase II, Mansion, and more. Thanks for making this. I've never been to Medellin yet, but when I go now I will have an idea where things are.

I arrived in Medellin yesterday evening around 8 pm. Got through customs faster than I ever have before so that was nice. My taxi guy was waiting for me so that worked out great. I had been talking to a couple of my FB chicas throughout the day figuring I could count on one of them to get back from family stuff and want to come over. I was wrong.

Sidenote- it was funny watching FB stories throughout the day because there were a lot of pictures with their moms of course. And I noted on more than one occasion that there were moms that I would consider scheduling a cita with.

I obviously wasn't going to let a night in Medellin go to waste so I headed over to Parque Lleras. Talked to a couple chicas. Met this 24 year old Vennie. 5 foot nothing, 100 lbs, just my type. She was sweet and friendly. She started at 300 k which obviously wasn't happening and after we talked we agreed on 200 k and I would pay for her taxi back. I bought us some overpriced beers, as I had not had time to shop yet, and we headed back.

It was brutal. She was literally begging for more money the entire time and she didn't even do what she had promised to do. We went back and forth for awhile and finally I just said whatever, finished fast and cut my losses. And I gave her 250 k because it was looking like she was going to get loud and cause a scene. And I definitely did not want that for my first night in the Airbnb.

Anyhow, all that just to say, Lleras let me down. I have had some great sessions during my limited experience so I guess I was due for one like that.

Plenty of new and repeat FB chicas scheduled over the next several days to make me feel better jaja.

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Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2694853] I told her I'd fly her down to Medellin to party a couple days.[/QUOTE]A Web cam model who normally makes money without any PC (personal contact) with a greasy Gringo, would rather go the dentist and get her teeth drilled without novocaine than get on a plane for someone whom she has not met. Start with and stick with girls who are in the same city as you, who can take an Uber to see you, not a jet.

If you have a slugger's batting average at getting Web cam models to meet you, then you are doing great, meaning failures are more common than successes. Look at Web cam models as just one of many potential sources in the P4 P game. They are my least common source for chicas, but fun, entertaining and gratifying when it pays off. Maybe I suck at it and my success rate should be higher, but I don't think so.

Ally is a Web cam model I am Whassapping now who says she wants to meet. She offered to meet me at the airport Thursday and stay at her place but I told her no because of her Pit Bulls. Yesterday, I casually mentioned on-line in her Public room that she had cute feet. Ten seconds later she was doing this in the first foto, jeje love it. I felt like she deserved a tip for that and I gave her a small one after the fact. This girl is nasty and natural, a great and uncommon combination. I feel encouraged. Maybe 50/50 at best we will hook-up and that's probably as good as it gets.

I have only been visiting her room in short bursts, maybe 10 minutes at a time because I have been busy getting ready to return to Medellin. She is so sweet and cute and nasty at the same time. As soon as I hint that I am leaving her room, she runs around and starts doing as many little perversions as she can think of, switching up every 30 seconds or so, in an effort to hold my attention. See second foto when she plopped down on her stomach and stuffed that dildo up her ass without any provocation. She pays little or no attention to the other users in her room when I am there. You will know when the model is into you and your chances are worth the effort. If you don't get that feeling, don't go chasing waterfalls. Move onto the next chica. She has an endless stream of faceless admirers and you don't want to be in that group.

Ally is fun and so is the journey. I try to enjoy her and not just pursue her. All disappointment is preceded by desire. I hope she and I meet but if not, no regrets.

A while back a few clowns claimed that there aren't very many thin attractive girls in Medellin. They claimed the girls here are all fat, big asses, big waists, big boobs etc. I have to question whether those guys have actually visited Medellin. This is a city with a metropolitan population of about 4 million. The girls here come in all sizes, shapes etc.

The obesity rate in Colombia is dramatically lower than the US and Western Europe. Why? The girls here (and older folks too for that matter) walk a lot. They don't take a cab if it is only a mile. Hills, steep inclines? Not a factor, they still walk it.

Just to illustrate my point. Here are just a few fotos of some of the girls I've met. Most are flacas a few are delgadas they all have very pretty faces. Since those are the qualities I find most attractive.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2694968]But Parque Lleras is closed still, right?[/QUOTE]You will find the girls around there. At least that's how it was when I was there last month.

Can you please give me some guidance on how to meet some of these facebook chicas?

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2695025]I arrived in Medellin yesterday evening around 8 pm. Got through customs faster than I ever have before so that was nice. My taxi guy was waiting for me so that worked out great. I had been talking to a couple of my FB chicas throughout the day figuring I could count on one of them to get back from family stuff and want to come over. I was wrong.

Sidenote- it was funny watching FB stories throughout the day because there were a lot of pictures with their moms of course. And I noted on more than one occasion that there were moms that I would consider scheduling a cita with.

I obviously wasn't going to let a night in Medellin go to waste so I headed over to Parque Lleras. Talked to a couple chicas. Met this 24 year old Vennie. 5 foot nothing, 100 lbs, just my type. She was sweet and friendly. She started at 300 k which obviously wasn't happening and after we talked we agreed on 200 k and I would pay for her taxi back. I bought us some overpriced beers, as I had not had time to shop yet, and we headed back.

It was brutal. She was literally begging for more money the entire time and she didn't even do what she had promised to do. We went back and forth for awhile and finally I just said whatever, finished fast and cut my losses. And I gave her 250 k because it was looking like she was going to get loud and cause a scene. And I definitely did not want that for my first night in the Airbnb.

Anyhow, all that just to say, Lleras let me down. I have had some great sessions during my limited experience so I guess I was due for one like that.

Plenty of new and repeat FB chicas scheduled over the next several days to make me feel better jaja.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2695025]Anyhow, all that just to say, Lleras let me down. I have had some great sessions during my limited experience so I guess I was due for one like that.[/QUOTE]You and I both know it's going to get better for you, much better. I don't want to get all Yin&Yang on you, but the bad experiences make us appreciate the good ones that much more.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2695135]Here are just a few fotos of some of the girls I've met. Most are flacas a few are delgadas they all have very pretty faces. Since those are the qualities I find most attractive.[/QUOTE]That last one looks like a bug crawling out from under a kitchen cabinet, jajaja. I kid because I love you, jajaja. Seriously, if it was on paper, you should burn that foto, jajajajaaja.

You were spot on with your overall point. The market in Medellin is large, and there is every kind of girl you can imagine available, with little or no extra effort. And it never hurts to ask one girl if she knows or has friends who look like what you want. Friends of friends. If I find myself at Ground Zero, I have had putas get on their phone to get a girl to come see me, after showing me pics of her on their phone. How can you beat service like that? Fortunately, that is rarely needed because I almost always find what I am looking for, or maybe I am more open to what I will fuck that some guys, jeje. I like all types. I remember last time I was in Medellin that was a span when guys were posting here that they couldn't find any preggos. Just to prove a point to myself I fucked a string of cute preggos, all from Ground Zero. I saw preggos every time I went there. I'll look for those preggo fotos.

[QUOTE=ArinBlack;2695064][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/51978429?adults=1&check_in=2022-05-23&check_out=2022-06-04&federated_search_id=ddad4c04-ec27-4add-8569-f2fdb3fc7010&source_impression_id=p3_1652012460_i9uX5b0CuMznYNjj[/URL]

Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?[/QUOTE]I have no experience but you can google [B]Go Living & Suites[/B] to find its location to figure it out relative to where you want to monger.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2695150]Can you please give me some guidance on how to meet some of these facebook chicas?[/QUOTE]There is a breadcrumb [B]Colombia[/B] (South America | [b]Colombia[/b] | Medellin Reports) on top of these posts. Click on it and look for Reports of Distinction to find it.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2694968]But Parque Lleras is closed still, right?[/QUOTE]The chicas have always stood around on the streets cirling the park, especially on the north and west sides, and all the streets are still open to pedestrians at the least. So the chicas are still there. At least they were a few weeks ago. Calle 10 near the park is a good hunting ground as well. Walk laps around the blocks on the north side of the park.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2694844]"Given the chance, I will do it again" (steal).[/QUOTE]As my mentor Gomer Pyle said "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2695196]The chicas have always stood around on the streets cirling the park, especially on the north and west sides, and all the streets are still open to pedestrians at the least. So the chicas are still there. At least they were a few weeks ago. Calle 10 near the park is a good hunting ground as well. Walk laps around the blocks on the north side of the park.[/QUOTE]The park is slated to be completed supposedly by September according to the Construction Manager I spoke with a few weeks back.

As far as the Chicas, they are located exactly as you described, with a higher concentration right below Gusto's.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2695025]It was brutal. She was literally begging for more money the entire time and she didn't even do what she had promised to do. We went back and forth for awhile and finally I just said whatever, finished fast and cut my losses. And I gave her 250 k because it was looking like she was going to get loud and cause a scene. And I definitely did not want that for my first night in the Airbnb.

Anyhow, all that just to say, Lleras let me down. I have had some great sessions during my limited experience so I guess I was due for one like that.

Plenty of new and repeat FB chicas scheduled over the next several days to make me feel better jaja.[/QUOTE]Lleras is a total crap shoot, as most of the girls are looking at the clients as a a one time event, hence the shitty attitudes.

You handled things properly by cutting her lose and avoiding any drama, especially after travelling al day.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2694853]On the topic of camgirls, has anyone here managed to coordinate plans with one successfully? I recall a post from a veteran user mentioning that if you are engaging with a Colombian camgirl working for a studio, typically the one you are typing with is a manager sitting behind the camera and she is fake typing and the manager tells the camgirl how to react to messages (must have been JjBee62, so thank you for sharing info if it was you). If that is true, hats off to the studios because that is quite the coordination effort.

I've spent a bit of time on Chaturbate (webcam site) recently just to try and get a gauge at how these webcam studios operate and it's not easy hahah. I spoke to one; she said she was from the Coffee Triangle region and I told her I'd fly her down to Medellin to party a couple days. After talking a bit I told her to give me her Instagram so I could track her down when it's time. The Instagram was a work account w / professional photoshoots and whatnot but it also had a couple of her tiktok videos and I still couldn't get a feeling of whether I was talking to her or some operator even when messaging on Instagram for days. It's not like it was a celebrity account, it has maybe 200 followers, most of whom are probably guys who came from camgirl sites. My trip to Medellin will most likely be postponed so I've mostly dropped it for now.[/QUOTE]It was probably me. Here's a rundown:

Most webcam models in Colombia work for a studio. Many of the studios are just run by some clown he thinks he knows how to make money off girls. They last 2 months and disappear. The better studios have hundreds and even thousands of models. The biggest has an exclusive contract with Camsoda for Colombia. Every Colombian model on Camsoda is either with AJ Studios or is licensed by another studio through AJ (AJ takes a 5% cut).

Until a model starts making good money, if working for a decent or better studio, she will have a Monitor whenever she broadcasts. The monitor uses a backoffice app so they can see everything on the model's monitor and do everything the model can do on the computer.

The monitor performs a lot of functions. He gives guidance to the model, he translates chat for the model and often takes care of doing the chatting and answering the private messages. Also depending on the girl, the monitor may handle Twitter, Instagram and OnlyFans accounts.

Besides taking the load off the model, they are protecting the studio's investment. If she's meeting guys on the side from the webcam the studio is losing money. When I was a Monitor, any requests to meet for money or offers of money outside the webcam got the guy booted from the room. Most are scammers.

In my experience, there are 2 main paths to get to a webcam model and the success rate is low.

1. Spend a lot of time and money in the model's webcam. Be polite, friendly and funny. For the most part you treat her like your sister. You joke around, tease and keep the chat lively. Occasionally you treat her like your sister from Kentucky and comment on her various body parts. Keep it classy. This might get you a lunch date eventually.

2. Find models who have just started. Give tips, give encouragement, flirt, joke and compliment her. If you can get her Whatsapp you have a chance.

Both methods will rarely work on models who are from middle class families. However, if you get off of the adult webcam sites and try the G rated livestream sites, those methods work quite well, especially if you catch a new girl. I managed to get Whatsapp for about 15 girls in less than a month. I've met 6, fucked one, would have nailed 2 more except for family emergencies. 2 others I could have met and gotten, but they were in different cities.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695189]That last one looks like a bug crawling out from under a kitchen cabinet, jajaja. I kid because I love you, jajaja. Seriously, if it was on paper, you should burn that foto, jajajajaaja.
[/QUOTE]Well, amigo, it must have been a lousy photo. Because [B]I know[/B] you've dipped your wick in that little honey pot. Here are a few other pics to (hopefully) refresh your memory and / or reclaim my photography chops.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2694968]But Parque Lleras is closed still, right?[/QUOTE]The park itself is closed yes. Most of the crowds are in Provenza now, and you will find girls working between the park and Provenza.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2695196]The chicas have always stood around on the streets cirling the park, especially on the north and west sides, and all the streets are still open to pedestrians at the least. So the chicas are still there. At least they were a few weeks ago. Calle 10 near the park is a good hunting ground as well. Walk laps around the blocks on the north side of the park.[/QUOTE]The chicas are never in the park itself, or very rarely. Parque Lleras is an area as well as a park.

Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.

Two different non-pros were supposed to come by yesterday. The first one, who I've yet to meet, was in a panic on Saturday because her mom had been sent to the hospital and didn't get out until Sunday night, which meant she had to cancel. The other had an aunt die on Saturday night.

Usually I would laugh at the excuses, but neither had incentive either way. They weren't getting paid and they don't have any earning opportunities on Sunday.

Once that door closed I sent a few messages. 1 got back quickly, but then ghosted until after midnight, phone broken. 1 didn't get back until about an hour ago. 3 never responded. The 1 who got back to me in about 30 minutes has been reviewed before. She has a twin sister and they do trios together.

At first she wanted to know what I would pay for an hour. I explained that I don't do hours. It could last 3 or 4 hours. She came back with a ridiculous rate, 900 k for 4 hours and mentioned the possibility of bringing her twin. My counter offer for the trio was shot down and it was generous. Her final offer for the twins, 4 hours was 2 million. That's when the little head said "let's do it!

I pondered it for an hour, hoping another girl would answer, before agreeing. Everything was set up. From there I rushed to Parque Lleras, after stopping by Davivienda, to meet a friend for dinner. Which requires a background story.

Five years ago an expat named Jenson opened Jenson's bar close to Parque Lleras. He quickly shut it down to take a brief job contract elsewhere, then reopened. For a few weeks I was about the only customer. Eventually things picked up and after about 5 months it was doing well. As staff changed, I got to know them all. I was literally there 7 days a week, often working. I met Z when she started working there, 5 years ago this fall. When it was slow she would sit and talk to me. She kept talking about being my girlfriend, but I wasn't interested.

Z is a full lesbian, and she's definitely of the bull variety. She's got a nice face and a fun personality. But the body is a bit thick. She ended up finding herself a sugar mama and about the time I left Medellin she went to Chile and stayed for 4 years. I thought she was still there.

When she learned I was in town and it was my last night she wanted to see me. We met in Lleras about 8 pm and walked up to Provenza to eat. Meanwhile I had confirmed everything with the twins. I thought.

While eating, Z started showing me pictures of her amigas telling me they were available. That's when the twins told me I had to pay in advance. I might be dumb enough to pay 2 million 1 time to bang twins, but I'm not sending $500 to someone before we meet. I told her no thanks. Next it was half in advance and half upon arrival. Nope. The last offer was half on arrival at Parque Lleras and the rest in the apartment. Chao.

Which left me high and dry, until I told Z to call 1 of her friends. She found one who was working at Fase 2. We could go there, pay an exit fee and head to the apartment for a trio. When we got there, she knew everyone, the waiters, the security and of course the girls. I still had to pay the cover, but we skipped getting frisked by security.

After she hugged on the ugliest stripper I've ever seen, I wasn't feeling too good about this. However, she finally found the girl, who was cute enough and I thought we were ready to go. Nope. First she bought drinks, on my tab, for 3 girls, including the ugly one. Then there was tipping girls and a bunch of stuff that was keeping me from my apartment.

When I told her we had to go, it was late, it got her moving in the right direction. Then she says we're going to take the girl to one of the on-site rooms. Yeah. I've got a deluxe penthouse with a killer jacuzzi and I'm going to pay for a room at the club? Nope. I'm going to my apartment. More wasted time. Then she explained there weren't enough girls, so the girl couldn't leave. There aren't any fucking customers and almost none are paying for sex. Fine. Let's go. I had already paid the 110 k tab, when Z tried to buy more drinks for some girls. That's when the blood pressure went up. I'm not buying any more drinks. I'm not waiting. I'm leaving.

Looks like that jacuzzi is going to be just for me. I asked her for her address, because I was done wasting time and money. She told me no, me and her would go. Fuck it. I guess I'll fuck a lesbian and call it a night.

When we got to the gate of my apartment she told me we needed to go to Parque Lleras to find a girl. Not happening. I'm parking the car and going to my apartment, do what you want. She decided to come to the apartment.

That was a shitload to read to find out I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral. I couldn't touch her. Blah, blah, blah. The body, except for the ass was uninspiring. The sex was just missionary with condom.

I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.

[QUOTE=ArinBlack;2695064][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/51978429?adults=1&check_in=2022-05-23&check_out=2022-06-04&federated_search_id=ddad4c04-ec27-4add-8569-f2fdb3fc7010&source_impression_id=p3_1652012460_i9uX5b0CuMznYNjj[/URL]

Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?[/QUOTE]The location is a little ways south so you will be taking a taxi everywhere. It looks more midway between Envigado and Parque Llera central. In regards to mongering, it usually depends how 'active' you are, but most places are fine if you're just with a girl every day or two. It's when you have a party, really slutty girls, or 2-3 a day that they start to wonder. Worst case, figure out who the front desk guy is for nights and tip him 20 k at the beginning of your trip. That will go a long ways.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695117]A Web cam model who normally makes money without any PC (personal contact) with a greasy Gringo, would rather go the dentist and get her teeth drilled without novocaine than get on a plane for someone whom she has not met. Start with and stick with girls who are in the same city as you, who can take an Uber to see you, not a jet.

If you have a slugger's batting average at getting Web cam models to meet you, then you are doing great, meaning failures are more common than successes. Look at Web cam models as just one of many potential sources in the P4 P game. They are my least common source for chicas, but fun, entertaining and gratifying when it pays off. Maybe I suck at it and my success rate should be higher, but I don't think so.

Ally is a Web cam model I am Whassapping now who says she wants to meet. She offered to meet me at the airport Thursday and stay at her place but I told her no because of her Pit Bulls. Yesterday, I casually mentioned on-line in her Public room that she had cute feet. Ten seconds later she was doing this in the first foto, jeje love it. I felt like she deserved a tip for that and I gave her a small one after the fact. This girl is nasty and natural, a great and uncommon combination. I feel encouraged. Maybe 50/50 at best we will hook-up and that's probably as good as it gets..[/QUOTE]Asti, thanks for taking the time to write out such an extensive reply. I always appreciate your insight and look forward to reading your posts. Interestingly enough, I hopped in another camgirls room today (I have too much free time) just to try and pick her brain a bit on how studios operate (whether it's typically girls typing or a moderator is translating and telling them what to say, how to react, etc). At one point I wrote something to the extent of "maybe every studio is different" to which she surprised me by saying out loud in English "no every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different. " Definitely caught me off guard but very valid point indeed. Best to keep that in mind in terms of all things Colombia (who is willing to meet up yadda, yadda, yadda) and just remember not to take things too seriously as you mentioned.

Being able to take your time and screen the girl behind a screen is definitely the best part of the cam show experience. I love being able to zoom in on the little blemishes that catch my eye & analyze how a girl reacts to pressure or when she's frustrated (how she reacts to spammers or trolls in the chat). Just general things that may go beyond your head when meeting in-person that can actually still tell you a lot about a person. I think the market of Colombian camgirls is actually saturated to the point that a large majority of their time is spent staring at an inactive chat bored to death due to lack of engagement 85% of the time, so if you tip a little and bring in the slightest stimulation to keep her brain from melting as a result of staring into an inactive chatbox an entire shift, generally she'll appreciate it and be open to engaging conversation. From there it is best to actually get to know the girl and see what she is like, and to be honest it can actually be a lot of fun.

If you really want to go the extra mile, you can also pay for a private session (that way it's only you two in the room) and then move things towards a "cam-to-cam" (c2c) so she can see you're slightly less greasy than she probably had in mind. Could help in building a bit of chemistry, but as you suggested probably no point in doing this if you've already moved things to WhatsApp away from her work social media accounts. I do agree that it's best to do this while you're already in Colombia or at least just prior to a trip or else you are most likely wasting time and effort. Sometimes being a bit spontaneous helps, if you drag things out too long people tend to lose interest. Ultimately, I don't think this should be used as a primary method for hunting either just because the market is already so huge. Seeking Arrangements and Facebook are probably the better way to go for a short trip but if you're immersing yourself to the point of learning the language and building a circle of referrals as you have on a longer stay, making friends via the camgirl sites could be a way to expand that, maybe.

Regarding the flying them out bit: I actually don't think it's a huge deal since a plane ticket from Medellin to Bogota is only $100 lost but it's best to discuss when you're already boots on the ground or at least only 10-14 days away from a trip. I can only assume a weekend trip partying with a gringo is a more fun way to make money than sitting in front of the computer at the studio but who knows. Best not to drag things out when organizing things though, it'll complicate things from a fun weekend party to her eventually wanting to take advantage of you or organize plans against just another gringo. When you're already there, whether she happens to live in the same city as you or you have flown her out, you can easily meet in public in a safe way and then progress to spending a couple days in a badass Airbnb with a hot tub from there.

I apologize if a lot of what I stated in this post just came off as me reiterating what you already said, but it's hard not to because you've hit the nail on the head. Just wanted to add my own minor thoughts & twists to things. Thanks again for taking the time to reply and I look forward to any updates with the camgirl you're in contact with.

[QUOTE=ArinBlack;2695064][URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/51978429?adults=1&check_in=2022-05-23&check_out=2022-06-04&federated_search_id=ddad4c04-ec27-4add-8569-f2fdb3fc7010&source_impression_id=p3_1652012460_i9uX5b0CuMznYNjj[/URL]

Anyone with experience in the GO building before? How is this in terms of central location and ease of mongering?[/QUOTE]I know the area well because it's not too far from where I lived. Santa Fe mall is about 10 minute walk away. 10 minutes walk in the other direction is Sao Paolo Plaza with several restaurants and a grocery store. Depending on traffic, 10-15 minutes to Parque Lleras by taxi.

As far as mongering it says in the listing that each visitor will add a 40 k charge to your bill and no more than 2 visitors at a time.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2695330]Asti, thanks for taking the time to write out such an extensive reply. I always appreciate your insight and look forward to reading your posts. Interestingly enough, I hopped in another camgirls room today (I have too much free time) just to try and pick her brain a bit on how studios operate (whether it's typically girls typing or a moderator is translating and telling them what to say, how to react, etc). At one point I wrote something to the extent of "maybe every studio is different" to which she surprised me by saying out loud in English "no every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different. " Definitely caught me off guard but very valid point indeed. Best to keep that in mind in terms of all things Colombia (who is willing to meet up yadda, yadda, yadda) and just remember not to take things too seriously as you mentioned.

Being able to take your time and screen the girl behind a screen is definitely the best part of the cam show experience. I love being able to zoom in on the little blemishes that catch my eye & analyze how a girl reacts to pressure or when she's frustrated (how she reacts to spammers or trolls in the chat). Just general things that may go beyond your head when meeting in-person that can actually still tell you a lot about a person. I think the market of Colombian camgirls is actually saturated to the point that a large majority of their time is spent staring at an inactive chat bored to death due to lack of engagement 85% of the time, so if you tip a little and bring in the slightest stimulation to keep her brain from melting as a result of staring into an inactive chatbox an entire shift, generally she'll appreciate it and be open to engaging conversation. From there it is best to actually get to know the girl and see what she is like, and to be honest it can actually be a lot of fun.

If you really want to go the extra mile, you can also pay for a private session (that way it's only you two in the room) and then move things towards a "cam-to-cam" (c2c) so she can see you're slightly less greasy than she probably had in mind. Could help in building a bit of chemistry, but as you suggested probably no point in doing this if you've already moved things to WhatsApp away from her work social media accounts. I do agree that it's best to do this while you're already in Colombia or at least just prior to a trip or else you are most likely wasting time and effort. Sometimes being a bit spontaneous helps, if you drag things out too long people tend to lose interest. Ultimately, I don't think this should be used as a primary method for hunting either just because the market is already so huge. Seeking Arrangements and Facebook are probably the better way to go for a short trip but if you're immersing yourself to the point of learning the language and building a circle of referrals as you have on a longer stay, making friends via the camgirl sites could be a way to expand that, maybe..[/QUOTE]Much of what you wrote is dead on, and also absolutely wrong. I've been over this a few times before, so I'll try to keep it short.

I spent most of a year sharing an apartment with a webcam model, who I've now known for 6 years. I spent most of a year working directly for 3 webcam studios. I've met face to face with dozens of webcam girls and several times was in a room with up to 20 of them, including a few of the top webcam models in Colombia. I've had lunch meetings with anywhere from 2 to 6 webcam models. I've talked with studio owners, accountants, model managers, lawyers and international liaisons (one of which decided to become a webcam model). In short, I have some experience.

Most of the models who you are talking about (getting no tips, empty rooms, bored), aren't webcam models. Not yet. Most of them won't be around long, because it takes 6 weeks online 4-6 hours per day, to start making consistent money. It takes another month or more to cover basic living expenses. The girls who jump at the chance to meet are simply hookers that someone convinced to get on webcam. They don't have the patience to see it through. I tried with several prepagos.

So those girls, if you get to meet them, are no different than many of the hookers you can meet through other channels. Just find a girl, talk to her and ask if she's ever been on webcam. Many will say they have.

The webcam models who are making decent money, 4 k or more tokens each day, are more difficult. Meeting you is a risk. The dedicated webcam viewers will freak out if they know the girl met with someone else. I've seen this many times. It ruins the fantasy.

Paying for a webcam model to come see you is a mistake.

Using webcam as any source is a waste of time and money.

That's all for now.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2695330] She surprised me by saying out loud in English "every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.[/QUOTE]Very astute comment by your cam girl, would've caught me by surprise, too.

Reading people, that's what this is all about and it's easy to see you get it. You wrote some good points that made me stop and think, so thanks for that. You have writing skills, which come in handy on Web cam sites. You got this. I could learn a lot from you.

I was going to PM you a Whassap dialogue from the time I talked a Web cam model into leaving the studio and taking a taxi to my hotel, the first time I was ever in her room. Hilarious stuff. But you don't have PM. That transcript was my very first post here on ISG so it's been awhile, maybe I'll post it again. I am always up to flogging a dead horse into dog meat, jeje. Ostee out and keep on keepin' on. Tell you what. If I get to tag Ally or Nymphette this trip, I will repost that old Whassap dialogue to mark the occasion. Deal? Deal.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695158]You and I both know it's going to get better for you, much better. I don't want to get all Yin&Yang on you, but the bad experiences make us appreciate the good ones that much more.[/QUOTE]You were right of course, we both knew it would get better. It didn't start that way today, but the ending was wonderful.

Spent the first part of the day sleeping in and making supply runs. I was scheduled to have a repeat FB chica over in the afternoon. Then it became evening. Then it became tomorrow. Whatever, it happens. She will still be here tomorrow and she is a lot of fun.

So I threw up the hail mary and a new FB chica I have been talking to came through. She came a few times actually jaja.

She is 18, flaca and oh so cute. Amazing session. Sometimes with the younger ones they are inexperienced and it shows. Not the case tonight. She was a wildly enthusiastic performer. I will absolutely see her again before I leave.

So yes, much better indeed.

[QUOTE=WarmBlankets;2695330] "No, every person is different with how they do things. Every human is different.[/QUOTE]Astute comment by that model, would have caused me to stop and pause, too. You have some great insights. I could learn a lot from monger like you. Also, you have writing skills and that comes in handy with Web cam models.

I can tell you're a decent guy too because I believe you may not have considered one of the main angles a lot of these chicas have to, and that is safety. You and I would never hurt one of these girls so it's easy to forget that first and foremost when they agree to meet up with a guy, more or less sight unseen, they are taking a significant risk to their personal safety. Of course, that works both ways but for them I believe it is another barrier that we have to overcome for a successful meeting.

Another contingency they have to factor in is what if you ghost them after they land at the airport, and don't show up? The vast majority of these girls have no extra money and will essentially arrive broke. Is that a chance you would take if you were her?

I was going to PM you a copy and paste of my first ever post here on ISG, but I don't believe you have Messaging. It's a WhatsApp transcript between me and a Web cam model who I talked into leaving her Room and taking a taxi to my hotel, and it's hilarious. I am known to flog a dead horse into dog meat, so I could post it again, it's been well over a year, but it's long. Tell you what, if I seal the deal with the new chicas, either Nymphette and / or Ally, I will repost that transcript as a symbol of success. Deal? Deal. Ostee Out and Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2695305]Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.

I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral. I couldn't touch her. Blah, blah, blah. The body, except for the ass was uninspiring. The sex was just missionary with condom.

I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.[/QUOTE]That's quite a yarn, almost like a chapter out of a Clive Cussler read! LOL.

If anything, it was a night you will probably remember for quite some time.

I typically try to line things up with a regular to hang with me the night before I depart.

I try to be as Leche depleted as I can before boarding a plane to leave Colombia.

So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that!

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2695546]The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.[/QUOTE]My second wingman is only into middle aged women, 30's, 40's, I think he delves into the lower 50's. He consistently extolls the virtues of these women's sexual techniques because they have experience. I believe him. He is a great wingman for me, because if they are 25, they are getting old, jeje.

You know you are in Medellin when my novia with out a trace of sarcasm and in all seriousness asked me on her twentieth birthday, "Am I getting too old for you?

I posted because I wanted to let you know, that there are young, 18-21 year olds out there who can blow your doors off with their sexual technique. I'm going to say the average age these chicas lose their virginity is 14. The culture is pretty much open to sexuality as being a natural, healthy part of life. Some, obviously not all, of these chicas are born naturals. I've had more than my fair share of first time P4P chicas, and they exhibited a range of experience and comfort level. On the one end I got schooled and shown stuff I sexually never experienced before, in a good way, and I've been around the block once or twice.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2695546]So I met up with a Facebook chica and onlyfans model yesterday who insisted that she usually doesn't do the prepago thing. At first I was skeptical but it was very believable due to how awkward she was.

One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).

The sex wasn't great because of how awkward we both were, and it kind of reinforced my opinion that I should be looking for girls who are older than barely 20.

On the topic of Parque Lleras I never really had much luck there. I'm not into street walkers and the last time I went to Gusto, the girls I talked to were looking for $300 USD. Fuck that![/QUOTE]They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2695305] I ended up fucking a bull dyke lesbian. No kissing. No oral.[/QUOTE]I respect when someone reports the good and the bad. Just as long as it's not all bad, jajaja. Bull dykes give the best blowjobs, right up there with crack working girls, trannies, and toothless grannies.

The reason I know that about bull dykes is that Catgirl attracts them. She is petite and she gets her fair share of manly women. A few times she has told them to give me a blowjob, which they will do to please her. They were all very strong and forceful, the proverbial chrome off a trailer hitch. Unlike you, I never fucked one, just been sucked, jejeje. Oh, I am sure I have fucked my share of lesbians. We all have. Supposedly the percentage of female muff divers in the P4 P game is quite high. Add on top of that, MDE is considered very lesbo friendly.

[QUOTE=AboveAverage;2695546]One of the most unusual things was how insecure she is about her body. She is an incredibly gorgeous paisa around 20 years old but she still wants to get a nose job, boob job and butt job. I vehemently told her that her nose and butt are perfect, but she wasn't having it. She says that men in Colombia aren't interested in skinny and dark-skinned girls. It breaks my heart because here is a girl who has dozens or hundreds of subscribers on onlyfans who are constantly telling her how beautiful she is, yet she still feels the need to "upgrade" her body (which I think will be for the worse).[/QUOTE]Most women are like that. Instead of rolling with and being satisfied by who likes them, they think ALL people are suposed to like them or it does not mean shit. So, like your girl, they want to transform themselves into what they figure all people like. Which of course we know is not what all people like, especially when it is not natural.

What other kind of pricing is there at Gustos?

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2695592]They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.[/QUOTE]

I will get this out of the way so I am not thinking about it after I arrive in MDE. Ally, the web cam model, already flaked on me. The first two days I suggested we get together she said she had to work 12 hours shifts. Okay. Then, when I said some time next week, she said she was going to be busy all week, traveling out of town to modeling school, and get this, her boss was "making" her go. WTF. Have to admit, I had not heard that one before, jeje. I can't really see her angle other than I have not been tipping her in her room and maybe I used up her good nature.

I'm glad she told me this far ahead compared to getting ghosted at the last minute. I promised you guys follow-up so here it is. That frees me up from the Internet because there are no more Web cam model prospects for this trip. Don't cry for me Argentina, I mean Colombia, I generally do better without plans. I thanked her for the fun we had on-line. I don't block chicas unless they are psycho or threatening. I delete their chats and stop responding.

Today, I changed my HVAC filter in my crawlspace, replaced a couple of LED bulbs, raked some mulch, did my USPS mail hold on-line, basically home-stretch stuff before boots on the ground Thu afternoon. Ostee Out.

Spot on with the quote from one of your novias! I had more than one chica ask me the same. At least she gets it. How many prepagos (not saying your novia was one) are on top of their game at 25?

I am also amazed at the sex an 18-21 YO can give. The quality of the BBBJ, the way they beg for CIM. Some say that chicas fuck older gringos only for money. And it is clear that some (many? Do), but I'm 56 and I've had my share of non-pros who seem to enjoy banging me. Maybe because I treat them kindly or because I am exotic to them. And even many of the pros seems to enjoy the sex and don't mind looking at my old ass as long as I'm satisfying them. I guess good oral can go a long way.

One strange thing I've noticed with some of my non-pros lately. They aren't into receiving oral. Whether it is they are embarrassed to have some guys face that close to their snatch. Or they think it's gross. Not sure. Some of they seem to much prefer a vibrator. Maybe they've become addicted to vibrators and think nothing else can do it for them. Also noticed some of these non-pros really jumpy when you even touch there ass hole (not penetrate, just try to rub it). But luckily they are the minority. I just find it strange, especially girls who do not like to receive oral.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695565]

You know you are in Medellin when my novia with out a trace of sarcasm and in all seriousness asked me on her twentieth birthday, "Am I getting too old for you?

I posted because I wanted to let you know, that there are young, 18-21 year olds out there who can blow your doors off with their sexual technique. I'm going to say the average age these chicas lose their virginity is 14. The culture is pretty much open to sexuality as being a natural, healthy part of life. Some, obviously not all, of these chicas are born naturals. I've had more than my fair share of first time P4P chicas, and they exhibited a range of experience and comfort level. On the one end I got schooled and shown stuff I sexually never experienced before, in a good way, and I've been around the block once or twice.[/QUOTE]

What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2695366]Much of what you wrote is dead on, and also absolutely wrong. I've been over this a few times before, so I'll try to keep it short.

I spent most of a year sharing an apartment with a webcam model, who I've now known for 6 years. I spent most of a year working directly for 3 webcam studios. I've met face to face with dozens of webcam girls and several times was in a room with up to 20 of them, including a few of the top webcam models in Colombia. I've had lunch meetings with anywhere from 2 to 6 webcam models. I've talked with studio owners, accountants, model managers, lawyers and international liaisons (one of which decided to become a webcam model). In short, I have some experience.

Most of the models who you are talking about (getting no tips, empty rooms, bored), aren't webcam models. Not yet. Most of them won't be around long, because it takes 6 weeks online 4-6 hours per day, to start making consistent money. It takes another month or more to cover basic living expenses. The girls who jump at the chance to meet are simply hookers that someone convinced to get on webcam. They don't have the patience to see it through. I tried with several prepagos.

So those girls, if you get to meet them, are no different than many of the hookers you can meet through other channels. Just find a girl, talk to her and ask if she's ever been on webcam. Many will say they have.

The webcam models who are making decent money, 4 k or more tokens each day, are more difficult. Meeting you is a risk. The dedicated webcam viewers will freak out if they know the girl met with someone else. I've seen this many times. It ruins the fantasy.

Paying for a webcam model to come see you is a mistake.

Using webcam as any source is a waste of time and money.

That's all for now.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2695712]What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?[/QUOTE]Web camming in interactive; porn is not.

It's a good thing that I like slender and dark skinned girls because I think they are seriously undervalued in this city.

I decided to go the more conventional route today and I looked up a girl on pasionprepagos. I saw a nice looking dark skinned girl and contacted her on WhatsApp. Her price was 140 for an hour which, honestly, is a bit of a turnoff for me for how cheap it is. She was available and I was looking for something right away so I took the plunge. I haven't been to Laureles before and I was discouraged by how far away it was but the uber was cheap so whatever. The town was a bit seedier than I cared for and it was difficult to find the address (both uber and Google failed to register the exact location). When I buzzed into the building I was greeted by an older lady and I realized it must have been her who was answering my texts. She told me the girl was in another building so we went outside again and I felt like I was being stared at by the locals in the mini-mart. We entered to building 2 doors down and I went upstairs to wait in a room. The room was clean but everything else about the building and neighborhood made me feel uncomfortable, like I was the only vulnerable gringo in a 2 mile radius. I started getting anxious and was regretting my decision until the girl entered.

Facially she was nothing special but her body was all natural and smoking hot. Her face wasn't visible in the online photos but everything else matched or exceeded expectations. She was very friendly and I think she legitimately found me attractive. She was very energetic in bed and we went at it until my heart nearly exploded from exhaustion. I collapsed for a bit and she gave me an awesome proper massage, until I finally had the energy to finish what I started. After finishing in doggy I collapsed again, then we cuddled and she enticed me to finish a second time which is very rare for me. I showered then left her with 250 and was gladly on my way.

Definitely the best sex of my trip so far, and less than half the price of the Loutron girl and the onlyfans model! You definitely need to keep a close eye on your wallet in that establishment though.

If you want a hint her name starts with V and you can find her profile with the info in my post.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2695592]They probably give you gringo pricing at Gustos LOL I was there last month, ended up taking a pretty 24 year old girl. She asked for 700 kk all night but negotiated to 500 k. Maybe being Hispanic helps me LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've never gotten such a strong "fuck off gringo" vibe in all my time in Colombia. I did notice that they were much friendlier with the Spanish speaking patrons at the bar.

Their loss though. They could have robbed me blind as I spent most of that night puking my guts out from food poisoning.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2695712]What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?[/QUOTE]It's not my thing either but there are at least 2 reasons why:

Exclusivity. Some guys like porn that's not widely available. This largely applies to xenophobic assholes (I'm looking at you Japan).

Connection. It's hotter to Jack off to something if you know the girl has personally given it to you. It's one baby step closer to actually having sex with that girl.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2695610]What other kind of pricing is there at Gustos?[/QUOTE]You mean for drinks? The pricing for chicas is totally what they decide. The night club has nothing to do with any of that. It's just a club where people can come to, and working girls happen to like it because it is right in the Lleras area and they can often find foreigners there who will pay big money.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2695712]What I fail to understand is why any guy (other than perhaps guys from the middle east or China) would pay to watch some nude chick on a webcam. With all of the free porn out there?

When girls want to send me fotos and pics for money, I always decline. I tell them I want the real thing. They seem puzzled. I am puzzled that anyone would pay for those things. Can anyone explain it to me (beyond lack of access for some guys or culture)?[/QUOTE]I can explain it, but you still won't understand.

As for why webcam instead of free porn, here's a question. Why would you go to a strip club when you can watch videos of strippers for free?

It's simple, the strip club is interactive. No matter how hard you try, you're not going to be squeezing any titties watching the video. Now try watching some free porn, say "Hello, beautiful. How are you?" The free porn says "uunnnhh, uunnhh. " It's difficult to really carry on a conversation.

I don't do webcam anymore, other than dropping in to chat with my old roommate a few times each year. When I pop in and say Hello, she's excited that I'm there. Several of her regulars who have been watching her for years, greet me. We all talk and joke and it's a fun 15-20 minutes. 20 minutes of porn is just boring.

It's easy to lump everyone who watches webcam into one group, call them sad or pathetic, and laugh at them. You can do the same with ISG. However, you get all kinds. There are guys on ISG who couldn't get laid with a fistful of $100 bills in a $5 *****house. Other guys could get laid in a convent on Easter, wearing a kippah.

Trying to understand why others do things you don't like is an exercise in futility. Look at it this way. For the amount of money many guys spend on webcam models, they could be coming to Medellin and competing with you for your girls. Instead they're paying for the webcam girls to come out and party, where you might just pick one up.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695685] I'm glad she told me this far ahead compared to getting ghosted at the last minute. I promised you guys follow-up so here it is. That frees me up from the Internet because there are no more Web cam model prospects for this trip. Don't cry for me Argentina, I mean Colombia, I generally do better without plans. I thanked her for the fun we had on-line. I don't block chicas unless they are psycho or threatening. I delete their chats and stop responding.
.[/QUOTE]Very much agree on appreciating the notice. Nothing frustrates me more than being ghosted the last minute or some excuse that is stretched out from 7 pm to 10 pm and ruins the night.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2695752]You mean for drinks? The pricing for chicas is totally what they decide. The night club has nothing to do with any of that. It's just a club where people can come to, and working girls happen to like it because it is right in the Lleras area and they can often find foreigners there who will pay big money.[/QUOTE]I believe what Knowledge was referring to was that everybody knows that the girls in Gusto's ask for lots of money, meaning "gringo pricing", compared to the other venues in town, hence there is no other pricing schemes relative to the girls who work out of the establishment as he wasn't referring to the costs of drinks.

It's a perfect place for high rollers coming onto town for a few days staying at the Charlee Hotel within a 100 yards of Gustos.

I can envision the smarter working girls in Gustos inquiring as to where a guy is staying, and if they say the Charlee Hotel, they probably quote an even higher amount, as the Charlee Hotel is not a cheap place to stay at.

I suspect a lot of the guys who are "high rollers", are clueless as to how inexpensive girls can be in Colombia, but doesn't matter to them as its chump change to them.

Gustos is a perfect venue for some, depending on how they roll.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2695918]Very much agree on appreciating the notice. Nothing frustrates me more than being ghosted the last minute or some excuse that is stretched out from 7 pm to 10 pm and ruins the night.[/QUOTE]Thank you pointing that out. I should have stressed that more. Any notice of cancelation before the last minute is appreciated with these chicas, who are known to stretch out flaking over an entire evening and still not show up. In fact, I cannot ever recall once a chica letting me me know this far in advance. I am going to message her and thank her.

Tomorrow, I am supposed to go directly to Nymphette's hotel. I have the address, name of hotel, and room number which is a good start. Of course, she could flake, too but I will stick my neck out and say it seems like she wants to hook up. Yesterday, she Whassapped me saying she had a horrible toothache. I told her I would bring her some penicillin and Aleve I had on hand, so I guess that's some extra motivation for her to see me.

I reminded Nymphette that a bad toothache may temporarily get her out of doing blowjobs, but that still leaves two holes I can use. She agreed and sent me a laughing gif. I have never had a chica in MDE be offended by my two-out-of-three holes rule. I haven't field tested that rule here in Pussy Prison / USA, but I am pretty sure it would not fly as well.

Nymphette is new, a chica I fucked twice in 2 days from Hotel Puta Central during the last week of my last visit, a little over a month ago. I met her because she was in the room across the hall from the girl I was there fucking. Nymphette is in a different hotel now. She got kicked out Hotel Puta for non-payment. Obviously, we hit it off well but I am taking a chance going "all in" and staying with a girl I barely know. I travel light and can make a quick escape if needed.

She sent me a TikTok of her and her half-sister shaking their asses, they look nothing alike. Nymphette is tall, built, pale. Her sister is miniature, tiny, darker. They are in the same hotel room.

Nymphette is the jealous type, and already apologizing for it. She said I can bang her sister as long as I don't communicate with her sister on-line behind her back. I told her the best solution to that is to keep the three of us together as much as possible, including in the only bed in the hotel room.

I told her I would pay the hotel bill while I was there, feed them both, and when I leave she would have some money in her pocket. Obviously, updates will be required, jajaja.

Ostee Out!

Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days.

Her family arrives en masse, Colombian style with her mother, sister and some other relative. They talk to the security, talk to her and eventually put her in the car to leave. Before that happens the sister turns and says "she took something" as if it's happened before. Most likely she drugged herself in the bathroom, maybe for attention?

If I had to do it again, I might try to call her family myself instead of waiting for security to do it. Now I need to decide if I see her again to finish the deal or if that's too risky. Stay safe out there.

There is a very simple and effective way to prevent being ghosted last minute or otherwise. It is a two step process. Step 1 = Set a meeting time. Step 2 = At the established meeting time, proceed with the encounter or move on to another provider.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2695918]Very much agree on appreciating the notice. Nothing frustrates me more than being ghosted the last minute or some excuse that is stretched out from 7 pm to 10 pm and ruins the night.[/QUOTE]

I agree mostly with what you wrote. The notion that the club "has nothing to do with" transactions and pricing is unrealistic in my opinion. At any rate, the pricing in that place is well above market rates. That is why I questioned what rate other than gringo rate would be available. You aren't really suggesting there are bargains to be had in Gustos are you?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2695752]You mean for drinks? The pricing for chicas is totally what they decide. The night club has nothing to do with any of that. It's just a club where people can come to, and working girls happen to like it because it is right in the Lleras area and they can often find foreigners there who will pay big money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2695974]There is a very simple and effective way to prevent being ghosted last minute or otherwise. It is a two step process. Step 1 = Set a meeting time. Step 2 = At the established meeting time, proceed with the encounter or move on to another provider.[/QUOTE]You still got ghosted, all you did was shift to another chica, where the risk of ghosting or getting flaked still exists. Thanks for playing.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days..[/QUOTE]That should be the world's easiest decision.

Option #1- You see her again and she takes too much of something and you've got a dead chica in your room.

Option #2- You see her again and she takes something and the police seeing you dragging around a zonked out girl and decide you drugged her. Then you spend a few days in a Colombian jail while they figure it out. Unless she dies and you're stuck there indefinitely.

Option #3- You see her again and this time she slips you some of the drug too. You get to choose between coma, death, permanent impairment or getting robbed, except you don't get to choose.

Option #4- You decide that hanging out with someone who is likely to overdose on you is not a good idea.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days..[/QUOTE]That's way too many red flags for me, I would lose that number fast.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's youn

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it).

If I had to do it again, I might try to call her family myself instead of waiting for security to do it. Now I need to decide if I see her again to finish the deal or if that's too risky. Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]WTF, why would you even consider that with a nut case? You must like danger, have you considered the number of ways that could have gone bad for you?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2695305]Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.



At first she wanted to know what I would pay for an hour. I explained that I don't do hours. It could last 3 or 4 hours. She came back with a ridiculous rate, 900 k for 4 hours and mentioned the possibility of bringing her twin. My counter offer for the trio was shot down and it was generous. Her final offer for the twins, 4 hours was 2 million. That's when the little head said "let's do it!


I got laid she got paid and it was pretty much a wasted night. They only saving point, she told me repeatedly she's never had sex with a man. That makes 2 of us.

Can't win them all.[/QUOTE]Apart from the obvious, every man pays what he feels he wants to pay. What about those twins made 2 M worth considering JJbee? Because you've always been a voice of reason,even sharing a good line to initiate negotiations, so was it just a rush of blood to the little head, or is pussy inflation that wild?

FWIW 200mil or 200mil y taxi is still getting me dates as recently as April.

I am astonished you would bring her to your apartment in this situation. I am also astonished you would consider seeing her again.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back.
Her family arrives en masse, Colombian style with her mother, sister and some other relative. They talk to the security, talk to her and eventually put her in the car to leave. Before that happens the sister turns and says "she took something" as if it's happened before. .[/QUOTE]I know it is not the most likely situation but runny nose is listed as a "less common" side effect of Scopolamine. I never heard of a Seeking chica pulling anything but what if she went to the bathroom to try to prepare to some how pass it to you but what ever means she was going to use backfired (and maybe it happened to her before) and she ended up somehow with hit in her system? Even I think its a Longshot but her her symptoms are enough to make me wonder.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/scopolamine-transdermal-route/side-effects/drg-20072848

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696049]Apart from the obvious, every man pays what he feels he wants to pay. What about those twins made 2 M worth considering JJbee? Because you've always been a voice of reason,even sharing a good line to initiate negotiations, so was it just a rush of blood to the little head, or is pussy inflation that wild?

FWIW 200mil or 200mil y taxi is still getting me dates as recently as April.[/QUOTE]Appears he doesn't understand math. 900 mil for one chica, with a possibility of two, is a ridiculous rate; but 2 million for two chicas is acceptable.

As recent as last week, I was getting visit requests from chicas for 200 mil plus taxis.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696049]Apart from the obvious, every man pays what he feels he wants to pay. What about those twins made 2 M worth considering JJbee? Because you've always been a voice of reason,even sharing a good line to initiate negotiations, so was it just a rush of blood to the little head, or is pussy inflation that wild?

FWIW 200mil or 200mil y taxi is still getting me dates as recently as April.[/QUOTE]Same here. My last visit, I had no refusals offering 200 M for chicas from various venues (mostly Facebook, Mansion, and one Gustos girl I got # from) And I'm pickier than most as far as what I'll bone.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2695979]I agree mostly with what you wrote. The notion that the club "has nothing to do with" transactions and pricing is unrealistic in my opinion. At any rate, the pricing in that place is well above market rates. That is why I questioned what rate other than gringo rate would be available. You aren't really suggesting there are bargains to be had in Gustos are you?[/QUOTE]I've been in there. It's a disco type club. Lots of young people go there, not sex workers necessarily. Couples, etc. Dancing, booze, music (loud).

And gals looking for pay for play go there. They know that the place has a reputation, they know that the Charlee is just down the block, etc. And they know others that have got the big bucks (hundreds of dollars US). So that becomes the asking price. Same girls as go for 1 quarter of the price in another place. Why wouldn't they?

So it's not a strip club, it's not a casa. Of course I don't know if the girls have a price structure agreed on, or if the place is involved in that. But I do know that some have gotten chicas for 200 mil, and other for 2 or 300 dollars. So I'm not sure what basis you think that the club is somehow involved. Yes, they know what is going on, and if it's good for their business they don't have to do anything except sell overpriced drinks etc.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days..[/QUOTE]There is absolutely no reason to ever see this girl again. She is clearly mentally unstable and took a dangerous amount of drugs which she could not handle. You are a good guy for taking her back to your casa. I understand you can't just let the girl pass out in the middle of the mall, but that is very risky business. What if she had overdosed and they put the blame on you? It is not impossible to imagine that scenario.

There are so many opportunities to meet girls in Medellin who would not put that risk on you. Look bro, you had the resources to have travelled to Medellin as well as had the money to afford SA. You are not limited to scoring decent women like you may be in the United States. Don't put yourself back in that situation when it is so easy to just pick up normal girls who aren't dealing with mental illness. I too have noticed in my travels that it is harder to spot the crazy ones due to the language barrier and by the time you figure it out, it's too late and your fucking them planning your exit as quick as possible.

I banged a chica in Mexico once, after fucking her we were lying bed and communicating in my broken Spanish and her broken English. As we are communicating she starts meowing like a cat and purring as she is talking to me. Like not in a sexy way at all, like in a very strange way which really started to signal to me that the girl has some screws loose. Weirded me out and a little while later I informed her it was time for me to sleep and her to be on her way. She was a Seeking chica as well.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2696083]Appears he doesn't understand math. 900 mil for one chica, with a possibility of two, is a ridiculous rate; but 2 million [B]for two chicas[/B] is acceptable.

As recent as last week, I was getting visit requests from chicas for 200 mil plus taxis.[/QUOTE]I don't think it was a math issue at all. One chica wanted 900 mil for 4 hours and [B]maybe[/B] she would bring her twin sister. He deemed that as a ridiculous offer. We all agree, right?

BUT a trio for 4 hours with twins for 2 million was an incongruous proposition! Yes the economics sound silly BUT this is a bucket list item. At some point in our monger lives we all pay something ridiculous for whatever reason. One of the most common reasons is to fulfil a fantasy (or to check off a bucket list item). Note that it wasn't any "two chicas" it was [B]twins[/B].

I admit I have that fantasy on my bucket list too.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2696104]I've been in there. It's a disco type club. Lots of young people go there, not sex workers necessarily. Couples, etc. Dancing, booze, music (loud).

And gals looking for pay for play go there. They know that the place has a reputation, they know that the Charlee is just down the block, etc. And they know others that have got the big bucks (hundreds of dollars US). So that becomes the asking price. Same girls as go for 1 quarter of the price in another place. Why wouldn't they?

So it's not a strip club, it's not a casa. Of course I don't know if the girls have a price structure agreed on, or if the place is involved in that. But I do know that some have gotten chicas for 200 mil, and other for 2 or 300 dollars. So I'm not sure what basis you think that the club is somehow involved. Yes, they know what is going on, and if it's good for their business they don't have to do anything except sell overpriced drinks etc.[/QUOTE]I've gone to Gusto over the last 2 years about 5 times. I've never gotten quoted a price over 300 k cop. The ones that quote me 300k have always agreed to 250k

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2696117]I've gone to Gusto over the last 2 years about 5 times. I've never gotten quoted a price over 300 k cop. The ones that quote me 300k have always agreed to 250k[/QUOTE]It truly must be a mixed bag because I've been to Gusto's twice this year and was quoted 300 USD by multiple girls both times on a Thursday night. One went down to 200 USD and even had the nerve to say "It's not even that much, it should be nothing to you".

When I hear USD I'm immediate tuned out and didn't every try negotiating.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2696117]I've gone to Gusto over the last 2 years about 5 times. I've never gotten quoted a price over 300 k cop. The ones that quote me 300k have always agreed to 250k[/QUOTE]I have been there once. And that night all the quotes were 300, but they were talking about US dollars.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2696113]I don't think it was a math issue at all. One chica wanted 900 mil for 4 hours and [B]maybe[/B] she would bring her twin sister. He deemed that as a ridiculous offer. We all agree, right?

BUT a trio for 4 hours with twins for 2 million was an incongruous proposition! Yes the economics sound silly BUT this is a bucket list item. At some point in our monger lives we all pay something ridiculous for whatever reason. One of the most common reasons is to fulfil a fantasy (or to check off a bucket list item). Note that it wasn't any "two chicas" it was [B]twins[/B].

I admit I have that fantasy on my bucket list too.[/QUOTE]You did about as good a job as anyone could at defending JJBee and his diving headfirst into a 2 million proposal, an uphill climb for sure, but that's what friends are for. LOL If the bucket list is so important then tell her to turn the 900 mil into a sure thing to bring the sister along. Given the already inflated price there's a good chance she would have jumped on it. And given that she was asking the crazy 900 mil to start with it, it should come as no surprise that she just gave him a quickie and beelined for the door. He never said that he got to do both of them.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696049]Apart from the obvious, every man pays what he feels he wants to pay. What about those twins made 2 M worth considering JJbee? Because you've always been a voice of reason,even sharing a good line to initiate negotiations, so was it just a rush of blood to the little head, or is pussy inflation that wild?

FWIW 200mil or 200mil y taxi is still getting me dates as recently as April.[/QUOTE]Normally, I don't find myself in a position where my options are limited, as I work enough in advance to give me time to address issues. This time I had set aside Sunday, Mother's Day, to meet separately with 2 non-pros. Both had issues come up. One of them let me know on Saturday, but I expected it to be resolved in time on Sunday. The other didn't know about the issue until Sunday afternoon. That left me getting a late start.

Most of this trip was already taken up by 2 non-pros, so my to-screw list hadn't been updated and the girls informed. I put together a short list and sent some messages. The only one I could get in touch with was the twin (reviewed by Lucky Nuts) a year or so ago. I had talked with her a few times recently, indicating I was interested.

When she mentioned her twin, I was interested. That's the reason I had been in touch, to perhaps scratch that off my list. The price for her alone was high, for the 2 was even worse. She appeared unwilling to budge, so I kept it as an option.

Having a real 3 some with twins isn't easy to find and it's not something I'm likely to do twice. $500 is way high for Medellin, but there are guys in Gusto paying close to that for 1 girl, 1 hour. I could still do it and be under budget. If nothing better came up, what the hell.

Nothing better came up, I gave her the green light and then she killed the deal. As soon as she said pay in advance, that ship had sailed.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2696083]Appears he doesn't understand math. 900 mil for one chica, with a possibility of two, is a ridiculous rate; but 2 million for two chicas is acceptable.

As recent as last week, I was getting visit requests from chicas for 200 mil plus taxis.[/QUOTE]If you had only been born with the body of a woman, about 20 years later. With your unwavering devotion to me, we'd probably be celebrating our 30th wedding anniversary now. I'm literally 95% of your reason to post on ISG.

Instead you got the brain of a goat and a pot belly full of spite.

As recently as last week I spent 24 hours with a woman, paid no taxis, got all the sex I could handle, received a homemade gift and some expensive chocolates for my birthday and only gave her 100 k. The week before I spent 4 days with a woman, she picked me up at the airport, I spent the first night in her house, she had her sister drive us to the airport, and other than paying expenses, which weren't much, I paid her nothing.

Now let's go with the math.

Let's say a girl asks 200 k, plus taxis. Then she offers to bring another girl, for another 200 k, plus taxis if they're not coming from the same place. That's 400 k plus taxis. No problem.

What if she instead offers to bring her sister, girl on girl, all the good stuff? Does that raise the price? What if it's her twin sister? Does that raise the price?

The answer isn't a math problem. Some guys have no interest in 3 somes. Some would be turned off by sisters, especially twins. Some simply lack the stamina. And some simply can't afford to spend the money.

It boils down to 3 simple questions:

1. Can you afford it?

2. Do you want it?

3. Are you willing to pay the price?

At the time I agreed, I said yes, yes and yes. When payment was demanded in advance I said yes, yes, no.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2696117]I've gone to Gusto over the last 2 years about 5 times. I've never gotten quoted a price over 300 k cop. The ones that quote me 300k have always agreed to 250k[/QUOTE]You must be mistaken for usd LOL. I use to go to gustos all the time when I first started going to Colombia.

The lowest I've been quoted was 400 cop for an all nighter and it was only because the girl saw me there a few times and wanted to go with me. And giving me BBFS I guess is her way of showing me.

But 250 cop -300 cop will never be quoted in Gustos unless it's closing time and they're desperate.

I look sensible and prudent compared to you, jajaja. Stay safe!

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968]Had the weirdest seeking experience last night. Met with the girl at a mall for drinks. She's young, cute and dressed to have fun. Conversation is going well. She has some wine which she downs rather quickly, and then goes to the bathroom.

She's in the bathroom a rather long time and asks me if I thought she bolted when she came back. I tell her it's no problem if she doesn't feel comfortable, we can just have drinks and talk. She says she's comfortable but in a few minutes looks seriously sick. Glassy eyes, running nose, unable to talk straight. She asks me to take her to my casa. I think she just needs some water and to lay down.

As soon as we get to my building the security detain her and call the cops (or make a show of it). Then they get her to unlock her phone and call her family. She's mostly zombie like but after 30 minutes recovers enough to start crying a bit and apologizing to me. I'm confused as hell why she's apologizing and tell her everyone has bad days..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2696117]I've gone to Gusto over the last 2 years about 5 times. I've never gotten quoted a price over 300 k cop. The ones that quote me 300k have always agreed to 250k[/QUOTE]Agree with others. I last went 4-5 years ago because it was just so damned loud and I don't stay out so late anymore, but the lowest I was ever quoted was '300', with most then trying to saying that they meant USD when you get outside or to apartment. Of course the exchanges was around 2800 to 3000 back then. The best I ever did was $100 USD (equivalent of 300 k at the time) plus taxi for a nice blonde. You can often find the same girls just outside or at the Beer Store just before Gusto's opens or as it gets close to closing time.

I'm looking to book an Airbnb while I'm in Medellin and have noticed some hosts who specifically indicate hat the property not to be used for sex tourism or prostitution. Have any of you ever rented a property with those stipulations and have any issues bringing a China back?

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696285]I'm looking to book an Airbnb while I'm in Medellin and have noticed some hosts who specifically indicate hat the property not to be used for sex tourism or prostitution. Have any of you ever rented a property with those stipulations and have any issues bringing a China back?[/QUOTE]I'd they specifically state "No Sex Tourism" I only stay there if I have no intention of bringing any girls back. I did that once for a couple days and saw a gringo arguing with the desk clerk about it. It's not worth messing with.

If the listing states no prostitution, I feel the same. Look elsewhere. The last place I stayed, after I booked, sent a letter with additional info and the letter said "no prostitution." Looking at the listing I decided that prostitutes were almost certainly being brought in. I saw several obvious prepagos while I was there and had no trouble bringing girls back.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2695950]Nymphette is new, a chica I fucked twice in 2 days from Hotel Puta Central during the last week of my last visit, a little over a month ago. I met her because she was in the room across the hall from the girl I was there fucking.[/QUOTE]Where is that Hotel Puta Central?

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696285]I'm looking to book an Airbnb while I'm in Medellin and have noticed some hosts who specifically indicate hat the property not to be used for sex tourism or prostitution. Have any of you ever rented a property with those stipulations and have any issues bringing a [b]Chica[/b] back?[/QUOTE]Better avoid it. They don't have anything to gain by having that rule on Airbnb.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2696309]Better avoid it. They don't have anything to gain by having that rule on Airbnb.[/QUOTE]Best bet I've found for chica friendly Airbnb's (without directly asking the host) is to look for Airbnb's with Self Entry. That means the building has no doorman and a key code is provided for the front door and / or your apartment. The advantage is that obviously, you can bring up as many chicas as you want and as long as you don't annoy your neighbors, you'll be fine. The cons are that this will limit the number of Airbnb's you'll find and potentially less safe with no doorman. Agree with the other post. The "house rules" for each Airbnb are usually specific as to the guest policy.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2696142]I have been there once. And that night all the quotes were 300, but they were talking about US dollars.[/QUOTE]I have no experience with Gusto's, but strongly suspect, and maybe another board member can confirm this, but seems like they might have a very strong grapevine among some of the girls working out of there, and hence communicate amongst one another about how they are doing with pricing.

And besides guys checking out the talent upon arriving, all of those same guys are being sized up by the girls in many ways, some times by their looks, how they are dressed, how old / or out of shape they might be, do they speak Spanish of which is huge, and of course how much they might be able to get from a guy. Yet, maybe for some guys, that the girls don't want to go with, they throw out a huge sum, hoping to hit the Jackpot.

I know all the girls are independents in Gustos, but am sure there is a bit more to it, with guys posting they were quoted 300 USD and others who said they were quoted 300 K COP.

The explanation perhaps goes back to the girls being independents, and how good they are at sizing the guys up, and their sales skills, besides just how sexy or beautiful they are.

It's interesting how diverse mongering negotiations can be when dealing with Fayboo girls, street walkers, and at Gustos, which can pretty much be a free for all versus the fixed pricing at other venues.

I suppose somebody could write a book on this.

Just got back to medellin the day before yesterday and this trip is starting out excellent. I had a beautiful 19 year old vennie spinner come to my hotel yesterday. It turns out she's actually a Webcam model for some online Webcam or some shit but I actually met her thru her sister who I met on a previous trip. Excellent BBFS with CIP 1 hour 150 k COP. Absolutely great service and with a smile LOL. To borrow a phrase from Ostee, I've included some gratuitous photos. Enjoy.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696325]Just got back to medellin the day before yesterday and this trip is starting out excellent. I had a beautiful 19 year old vennie spinner come to my hotel yesterday. It turns out she's actually a Webcam model for some online Webcam or some shit but I actually met her thru her sister who I met on a previous trip. Excellent BBFS with CIP 1 hour 150 k COP. Absolutely great service and with a smile LOL. To borrow a phrase from Ostee, I've included some gratuitous photos. Enjoy.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]She is a dime piece. The bed sheets are kind of funny LOL.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696285]I'm looking to book an Airbnb while I'm in Medellin and have noticed some hosts who specifically indicate hat the property not to be used for sex tourism or prostitution. Have any of you ever rented a property with those stipulations and have any issues bringing a China back?[/QUOTE]That's Roman Catholicism for you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2696292] If the listing states no prostitution, I feel the same. Look elsewhere. The last place I stayed, after I booked, sent a letter with additional info and the letter said "no prostitution." Looking at the listing I decided that prostitutes were almost certainly being brought in. I saw several obvious prepagos while I was there and had no trouble bringing girls back.[/QUOTE]I think it's more the "norm" to bring girls back to your place if your extremely discrete, and at a place that nobody has reported about being non friendly. However, if your required to sign something specifically about this activity not being not allowed than move on.

All apartments have an extensive set of rules that the owners of the Units must comply with regardless of who is in the Unit, as the owner will be responsible for infractions which are in existence at some properties.

Such as violating noise rules more than once resulting in a spelled out fine the owner will be responsible for, of which of course would be collected from the renter.

Again, it boils down to being discrete, and greasing the skids with the Porteros.

Small tips, bringing food / drinks to the Porteros will make things a lot easier, especially if things get complicated and you have established a friendly rapport with the Porteros.

The worse thing though that can happen though is, if your in a building, and you have a very young tart in tow, and you get stuck with a family or older couple on an elevator, and the others totally despise what your doing and report back to the building administrator.

I personally am very discrete and fly under the radar as much as I can, but when a guy is bringing multiple girls in, it can be a challenge. However we've had some previous posters fluent in Spanish that had greased the skids with the Porteros and didn't have too many problems.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2696323]I have no experience with Gusto's, but strongly suspect, and maybe another board member can confirm this, but seems like they might have a very strong grapevine among some of the girls working out of there, and hence communicate amongst one another about how they are doing with pricing.

And besides guys checking out the talent upon arriving, all of those same guys are being sized up by the girls in many ways, some times by their looks, how they are dressed, how old / or out of shape they might be, do they speak Spanish of which is huge, and of course how much they might be able to get from a guy. Yet, maybe for some guys, that the girls don't want to go with, they throw out a huge sum, hoping to hit the Jackpot.

I know all the girls are independents in Gustos, but am sure there is a bit more to it, with guys posting they were quoted 300 USD and others who said they were quoted 300 K COP.

The explanation perhaps goes back to the girls being independents, and how good they are at sizing the guys up, and their sales skills, besides just how sexy or beautiful they are.

It's interesting how diverse mongering negotiations can be when dealing with Fayboo girls, street walkers, and at Gustos, which can pretty much be a free for all versus the fixed pricing at other venues.

I suppose somebody could write a book on this.[/QUOTE]A couple of years ago one of the gusto girls named Geraldine (I think she still frequents Gusto, saw her there a few months ago) sent me a screenshot with her rates. See attached. 1 HR started at 100 usd or 300 k cop, even though back then the exchange rate was like 3300-3400. These rates were for outcall, if we were to meet on a different day. The night I met her at Gusto she asked for a little bit more, I don't remember the exact numbers, but I think it was in the 400-500 mil cop range to take her home. The exact same screenshot with rates was also sent to me by another gusto girl, whose name I forgot. That means 2 things. Gusto girls definitely have a union and communicate with each other. Secondly, the takeout rates are much higher, if you want to save money, just collect a whatsapp number and schedule a date for the next day.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696325] I've included some gratuitous photos. Enjoy.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Where are you staying, the children's hospice?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2696374]Where are you staying, the children's hospice?[/QUOTE]LOL cheap ass 28 k COP a day hotel in centro. Not my choice of bed sheets LOL it came with the room along with the cockroaches.

Nice get. She takes what I pay and gives what I expect. She is my type. Not very often that I'm envious of something posted on here.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696325]Just got back to medellin the day before yesterday and this trip is starting out excellent. I had a beautiful 19 year old vennie spinner come to my hotel yesterday. It turns out she's actually a Webcam model for some online Webcam or some shit but I actually met her thru her sister who I met on a previous trip. Excellent BBFS with CIP 1 hour 150 k COP. Absolutely great service and with a smile LOL. To borrow a phrase from Ostee, I've included some gratuitous photos. Enjoy.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2696154]You did about as good a job as anyone could at defending JJBee and his diving headfirst into a 2 million proposal, an uphill climb for sure, but that's what friends are for. LOL If the bucket list is so important then tell her to turn the 900 mil into a sure thing to bring the sister along. Given the already inflated price there's a good chance she would have jumped on it. And given that she was asking the crazy 900 mil to start with it, it should come as no surprise that she just gave him a quickie and beelined for the door. He never said that he got to do both of them.[/QUOTE]Actually he (I'll be third person Jjbee today) specifically said he didn't do either of them, because they told him to pay in advance and he told them that was never going to happen.

[QUOTE]That's when the twins told me I had to pay in advance. I might be dumb enough to pay 2 million 1 time to bang twins, but I'm not sending $500 to someone before we meet. I told her no thanks. Next it was half in advance and half upon arrival. Nope. The last offer was half on arrival at Parque Lleras and the rest in the apartment. Chao.[/QUOTE]Also, when she quoted him 900 k, she suggested her twin might be available. She was not saying she would come for 900 k and maybe bring along her twin for no additional charge. He (jjbee) even wrote in his report that his counter offer, which was also ridiculously high, was immediately dismissed:

[QUOTE]"At first she wanted to know what I would pay for an hour. I explained that I don't do hours. It could last 3 or 4 hours. She came back with a ridiculous rate, 900 k for 4 hours and mentioned the possibility of bringing her twin. My counter offer for the trio was shot down and it was generous. Her final offer for the twins, 4 hours was 2 million. That's when the little head said 'let's do it!'"[/QUOTE]Perhaps you should go back and read the report again. Although I think he (jjbee) is often long-winded, it seems to be pretty clear:

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2695305]Last night, my last in Medellin this trip, should have been great, but it ended up being interesting and just okay.[/QUOTE]It is great having friends. I was just talking to a few today. The girl running the Maid business wanted to know if I had any friends in Medellin, because she had several new girls working for her and she needs to know how well they perform as prepagos. She asked if I could find a few guys I trust to take a girl below market rate, session with her, take photos and then write an honest critique. I think it will probably be an ongoing affair, at least until all the girls have been properly critiqued and trained.

This friend stuff is great. I'm happy to have all of mine.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2696322]Best bet I've found for chica friendly Airbnb's (without directly asking the host) is to look for Airbnb's with Self Entry. That means the building has no doorman and a key code is provided for the front door and / or your apartment. The advantage is that obviously, you can bring up as many chicas as you want and as long as you don't annoy your neighbors, you'll be fine. The cons are that this will limit the number of Airbnb's you'll find and potentially less safe with no doorman. Agree with the other post. The "house rules" for each Airbnb are usually specific as to the guest policy.[/QUOTE]It's not that hard to tell with Airbnb are guest friendly IMO. The reviews and reviewers give it away most of the time. Reviewers will mention guests, visitors, doormen, or even loud parties in the building. I know a monger review when I see one. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2696433]Actually he (I'll be third person Jjbee today) specifically said he didn't do either of them, because they told him to pay in advance and he told them that was never going to happen.

Also, when she quoted him 900 k, she suggested her twin might be available. She was not saying she would come for 900 k and maybe bring along her twin for no additional charge. He (jjbee) even wrote in his report that his counter offer, which was also ridiculously high, was immediately dismissed:

Perhaps you should go back and read the report again. Although I think he (jjbee) is often long-winded, it seems to be pretty clear:

It is great having friends. I was just talking to a few today. The girl running the Maid business wanted to know if I had any friends in Medellin, because she had several new girls working for her and she needs to know how well they perform as prepagos. She asked if I could find a few guys I trust to take a girl below market rate, session with her, take photos and then write an honest critique. I think it will probably be an ongoing affair, at least until all the girls have been properly critiqued and trained.

This friend stuff is great. I'm happy to have all of mine.[/QUOTE]How much does the maid service cost? I maybe interested for this type of service for 1 day I am in medellin in a few weeks LOL. I have always seen these type of pornos on pornhub and jerked off to this fantasy before. Pretty amazing if it could be a reality.

Supposedly they had their first customer today, for a prepago, not the maid service. I'm still waiting to hear how everything went, although I was told it went well.

She's added a few more girls and I was told the prepago rates were 400 k for 1 hour, nothing additional for taxis. I don't set the rates, I just report them. I did point out that the "1 hour" bit was too restrictive, so I believe it's now 90 minutes. I also told her to consider assigning a customer number to each customer (not a name) and to give repeat customers a discount for a certain number of visits and for referrals.

Again, I'm light on the details. The woman bounces questions off me while I'm working and I give her my opinions. Apparently, she's moving towards becoming a full blown prepago agency. She sent a picture today of a VIP girl who wants 1 million for 1 hour, 1.5 for 2. I told her make the minimum 2 hours at 1.2 million. If you're spending that much, you should at least get 2 hours. I'll put a picture with some minor face blurring.

Let me point out again, I don't have anything to do with the rates, all I can do is offer suggestions about the service.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696453]How much does the maid service cost? I maybe interested for this type of service for 1 day I am in medellin in a few weeks LOL. I have always seen these type of pornos on pornhub and jerked off to this fantasy before. Pretty amazing if it could be a reality.[/QUOTE]Here's the link to the original post. The rates and contact info are in the attachment.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2692128]I was just informed everything is ready. The attached photo has the WhatsApp and email contact information. She has a catalog of the available women she can send.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2695192]There is a breadcrumb [B]Colombia[/B] (South America | [b]Colombia[/b] | Medellin Reports) on top of these posts. Click on it and look for Reports of Distinction to find it.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. That was really helpful. So far I have been able to get 60+ girls added on my facebook in the past few days. Its kind of crazy how much work this is taking LOL. But I think it will be rewarding when I arrive in 2 weeks. It is a pain to have to communicate via google translate. Do most of you guys know how to speak spanish? Is it just me also but does it seem like so many of these girls are all tattooed up? Where can I find a girl with no tattoos LOL.

[QUOTE=FlappyGilmore;2696435]It's not that hard to tell with Airbnb are guest friendly IMO. The reviews and reviewers give it away most of the time. Reviewers will mention guests, visitors, doormen, or even loud parties in the building. I know a monger review when I see one. LOL.[/QUOTE]I always message the host to confirm visitors / guests are okay. Keeps things straight and simple.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696462]Thanks for the info. That was really helpful. So far I have been able to get 60+ girls added on my facebook in the past few days. Its kind of crazy how much work this is taking LOL. But I think it will be rewarding when I arrive in 2 weeks. It is a pain to have to communicate via google translate. Do most of you guys know how to speak spanish? Is it just me also but does it seem like so many of these girls are all tattooed up? Where can I find a girl with no tattoos LOL.[/QUOTE]Tattoos are pretty common. You're probably not going to find many girls without several. You'll get used to it.

Many of the guys here speak very little Spanish. Some of the guys are fluent and some are nearly fluent. The rest, myself included, fall somewhere in the middle. You can get by. Use the microphone button on Google translate to make it easier.

As I was telling an Santa Fe girl in Bogota on Monday:

"Yo se solo besarme, bañarme and chuparme, las palabras mas importantes."

I only know kiss me, bathe me and suck me, the most important words.

A couple months ago I was "censored for the following reason; spam" and asks me to contact administrator if an error has occurred. First off, I have no idea what I would've posted to cause this as I was mainly adding to reviews as well as providing other helpful information. Secondly, there seems to be no way to contact an administrator which seems like a major flaw. The contact option at the bottom of the page isn't there and anything else I select leads back to that censored note. Any help and / or suggestions would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2695968] Now I need to decide if I see her again to finish the deal or if that's too risky. Stay safe out there.[/QUOTE]Your story makes me wonder if she was trying to drug you and accidentally drugged herself. Either way, I'd steer clear.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2696469]Tattoos are pretty common. You're probably not going to find many girls without several. You'll get used to it.

Many of the guys here speak very little Spanish. Some of the guys are fluent and some are nearly fluent. The rest, myself included, fall somewhere in the middle. You can get by. Use the microphone button on Google translate to make it easier.

As I was telling an Santa Fe girl in Bogota on Monday:

"Yo se solo besarme, baarme and chuparme, las palabras mas importantes."

I only know kiss me, bathe me and suck me, the most important words.[/QUOTE]Jajaja I guess being able to speak Spanish goes a long way. I can't imagine having to use Google translate to hold a conversation. Pero bueno a cada quien su propio gusto.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696486]Jajaja I guess being able to speak Spanish goes a long way. I can't imagine having to use Google translate to hold a conversation. Pero bueno a cada quien su propio gusto.[/QUOTE]So far I would say almost all of the girls on fb can not speak any english and only spanish. Than I tell them that atleast we can use google translate and that we both speak the universal language of making love. That gets a chuckle from them LOL. Just a FYI it appears that facebook blocked me from sending anymore messages to girls today LOL. I guess getting 50+ girls to add me today and message like 100 of them got me blocked from sending anymore messages. Strange enough I can still add people as friends.

Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696493]Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.[/QUOTE]I think she is in fact a prepago but she wants you to believe that she is not and then she will attempt to charge you an exorbitant amount of money for her services by telling you that she doesn't usually do this. I had a chick in bogotá who tried to do this to me once. She said she didn't work but would see me for 600 k COP. Obviously I declined her offer.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696494]I think she is in fact a prepago but she wants you to believe that she is not and then she will attempt to charge you an exorbitant amount of money for her services by telling you that she doesn't usually do this. I had a chick in bogot who tried to do this to me once. She said she didn't work but would see me for 600 k COP. Obviously I declined her offer.[/QUOTE]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]I don't have a ton of experience with Facebook chicas I'm more of a centro street rat. But from the few experiences I've had and info I've seen, I believe the going rate is around $200 k for Facebook girls, some will be more, some will be less. This is the perfect example by the way of Spanish language ability being an asset. If you approach them in English not only are you going to have a harder time communicating, but the chica is going to think you're a gringo and charge you more. I think in this situation you should only use spanish when you message them (even if you have to run everything thru Google translate).

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]Nothing wrong with being a street rat. I am actually interested in picking up some street meat also. What is the best area to go near laurles and what times are the best time to go. What is also the going rate for street girls??

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]Tell her what you will pay after you have agreed on a time for her to visit you. Most will accept 200 mil and a taxi fare. Normally, taxi fare should be less than 30 mil unless you are staying in Envigado or Itagui and she is coming from Bello. If it's raining or between 4:30 and 6:30 pm, it's hard to know what the fare will be.

Mil is Spanish for thousand. 200 k is the same as 200 mil. Always make your offer in mil. That way, there should not be any confusion about COP or dollars. Be careful with Google translator when talking mil. Sometimes, it will translate mil to million. You definitely don't want to offer 200 million.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696486]Jajaja I guess being able to speak Spanish goes a long way. I can't imagine having to use Google translate to hold a conversation. Pero bueno a cada quien su propio gusto.[/QUOTE]I can usually get by without needing the translator. If I miss something, "como?" works pretty well. Occasionally, the conversation will go beyond my vocabulary and I'll need to whip it out.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696493]Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.[/QUOTE]A lot of the women don't consider themselves prepagos. Many of them will still happily meet for sex and expect some sort of compensation. Just clarify your intentions.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]Mil is thousand. 300 mil is 300 k.

One thing to be aware of. Many women will just say 200 or 300 when they mean 200 k or 300 k. A few will say 200 or 300 when they mean $200 or $300. Always clarify it. If she says 200, respond with 200 mil pesos?

The going rate varies, but mostly 200 k now, plus extra for taxi.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]Always offer first. Colombianas culturally always expect the guys to be forward and offer. It's subtle but real, if unhappy she will likely counter but many times will accept. I offer either 150 mil or 200 mil based on how I feel, whether I care if I meet the girl or not. Then if they bring up taxi, it's followed by ok amor, puedo pago 30 mil por taxi, or if they coming from far like Bello, I sometimes just say 50 mil to end it there. Not setting the taxi rate sets you up for a potential scam. One girl I saw in April. Tried to get me for 50 mil each way, and I stood my ground and it almost got ugly and I had to settle for 70 mil, a total ripoff but the 20 mil wasn't worth a scene for me. Lesson learnt.

In regards to duration, I kind of leave it up to the girl. I try to make it a chill and fun environment for us as the purpose is to have fun. So I make sure snacks, booze, music, TV etc all available. Some will be strictly business, and some will hang, and some you will literally have to boot out. Some will let you go once, and others up to 3 times if you want / can. I always say por un rato (for a while). I also hint in initial negotiations I usually repeat. Some take heed and others just hit and run. I obviously pick my repeats on such factors. My regulars know things and are willing to please and spend the time to keep me repeating.

The more difficult part with new ones is will they come or not, and if not will they mess up your evening, I usually am ok with one date a day, but book twice and if fist one is a bust I will go with a regular, and that has worked for me. Flake rate and availability may be worse on weekends.

On my first and only reread of this was really rough, not sure it makes sense but I'm going to hit the Upload Report button. Smoothest crossing ever, okay it's not a crossing but I got here Rico Suave. To my amazement, the free limo ride came thru in spades. [URL]Booking.com[/URL] gave me a free ride from the airport to my hotel and it was the best transfer I ever had. That was a first and I think you have to book a "package" to get the free taxi but I really don't' know what I am talking about but Jose the driver was awesome, and he took me a back way thru San Diego where we actually came out at Simon Bolivar Parque and I didn't think that was possible with out shapeshifting or some Star Trek transporters shit.

Ignore the errors. I'm in bed. An 18 yo chica is scratching my scalp and I have been awake for 37 hours. I am in a hotel that 99.95 percent of you wouldn't dare. I am in El Centro. I'm about 4 blocks from The Nutti by distance. I'm at the Zahara. The entrance is a garage ramp off the sidewalk that takes some real effort to get up. At the top, there is a sliding iron gate that a guy opens with a screwdriver. I started tipping him on my third trip thru.

Once inside, surprisingly clean, noisy, TV, the WiFi rocks and puts most hotels I've stayed in Medellin to shame, see fotos. I am with Nymphette and it's going smooth as silk, once I found the place. The reception desk at the Nuti told me it was too dangerous to walk where I was going. So naturally I threw on my backpack with my laptop and enough belongings to move in with her as promised, and my shoulder bag full of more pesos than the average Colombiana makes in a month, and blasted out the main entrance of The Nuti while they are still trying to call me back, jeje. I moved fast and purposeful but couldn't find the place. I started feeling a little like a target but not scared. After my first backtrack of about 50 M and a very interesting conversation with a young, very attractive and very drunk couple who spoke English and were drinking Aguardiente straight from the bottle in the open, Nymphette came running up to me on the sidewalk. Saved.

She offered me up her sister who also stays at the same hotel with her boyfriend but I told her I wasn't ready although we have been playing a lot of grab-ass. More later. I try to avoid desire by expectations exceeded so far. Nymphette owed two nights on her hotel, and I pad two nights ahead for a whopping total of 200 mil COP.

This it total GFE and GF comes with with a smoking hot sister. I am paying for her toenails later today, and hair the next. She is not charging me for sex. She asked me if I wanted to fuck her sisters while she got her toenails done and I politely thanked her for the offer and told here I wasn't ready, really thinking about fucking Pumpkin because I happen to running a room at The Nuti at the same time. I told Nymphette this and showed her a foto of Pumpkin. But the look in her eye said it all, she is giving me total GFE, and when I asked if she expected me to sit there and watch her toenails get painted, she said "Siiii" and mimicked the position of sitting with your chin cupped in your hands so you can stare at something. Surprised myself and told her I would not fuck another girl while she was getting her toenails painted. She has been scratching my head ever since. More to come.

Fotos. Nice shot of Miami Beach. My fat ass relaxing in the Admiral Club in MIA which was pretty cool because my lounge chair overlooked my gate. The three of us are already talking about doing Guatape, This is exactly why I am here.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]... But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]You can start with 150 mil and may get it but that probably is an unrealistic number for a better looking girl. Most girls appear to start with 250 mil but most will come down to 200 and some won't. Try to focus on getting the service you want, and be ready to pay 200 mil or 250 mil. It's a learning experience. You will figure it out after a few times.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]1 mil = 1 K = 1 thousand. COP is the currency, Columbian pesos. Sometimes if they say 200 COP they mean 200 K or 200 mil COP (200 thousand). Unless you are buying a bottle of water, then it might be 200 pesos.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2692976]Thanks a lot for your input.[/QUOTE]HappyShive. Clear your mailbox please.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696498]Very interesting. When do you think I should mention what I am willing to pay. I think I read somewhere not to mention anything about the time as most girls would stay like 2 or 3 hours. But is the going rate 150 k COP? I had 1 girl already agree to 150 k COP and 1 girl said 300 k COP. I also see some girls reference 300 MIL is that the same as COP? It gets confusing.[/QUOTE]In my experience it's 200 k to 280 k, sometimes with added taxi / uber. This can fluctuate depending on how attractive, and therefore busy, the girl is and if weekend or down time. And of course if they've been with you before. I usually offer first and propose 220 to 260 k plus tip for everything including taxi. And then depending on performance add in another 20 k or so. The really attractive ones may push for 300 k, but shouldn't go more than that.

Of note, the exchange rate is getting better for us, but worse for them. Eventually they'll figure this out and I expect start asking for 250-300 k. Just a matter of time. I remember paying 120 k in 2012 when it was 1700 COP / USD. That was like $70. Not too different from paying 280 k today when exchange is 4000 COP / USD.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2696623]In my experience it's 200 k to 280 k, sometimes with added taxi / uber. This can fluctuate depending on how attractive, and therefore busy, the girl is and if weekend or down time. And of course if they've been with you before. I usually offer first and propose 220 to 260 k plus tip for everything including taxi. And then depending on performance add in another 20 k or so. The really attractive ones may push for 300 k, but shouldn't go more than that.

Of note, the exchange rate is getting better for us, but worse for them. Eventually they'll figure this out and I expect start asking for 250-300 k. Just a matter of time. I remember paying 120 k in 2012 when it was 1700 COP / USD. That was like $70. Not too different from paying 280 k today when exchange is 4000 COP / USD.[/QUOTE]LOL at least something is getting better for us. Inflation is a ***** & living in the USA use to be a dream. Now its become a nightmare.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2696585]You can start with 150 mil and may get it but that probably is an unrealistic number for a better looking girl. Most girls appear to start with 250 mil but most will come down to 200 and some won't. Try to focus on getting the service you want, and be ready to pay 200 mil or 250 mil. It's a learning experience. You will figure it out after a few times.[/QUOTE]So how come the street walkers that seem to be attractive also in some of the posts I see take 30,000 COP? I mean that's like $5. WTF. Venturing out for some street action seems a bit exciting to me also.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2696623]In my experience it's 200 k to 280 k, sometimes with added taxi / uber. This can fluctuate depending on how attractive, and therefore busy, the girl is and if weekend or down time. And of course if they've been with you before. I usually offer first and propose 220 to 260 k plus tip for everything including taxi. And then depending on performance add in another 20 k or so. The really attractive ones may push for 300 k, but shouldn't go more than that.

Of note, the exchange rate is getting better for us, but worse for them. Eventually they'll figure this out and I expect start asking for 250-300 k. Just a matter of time. I remember paying 120 k in 2012 when it was 1700 COP / USD. That was like $70. Not too different from paying 280 k today when exchange is 4000 COP / USD.[/QUOTE]This is the precise type of illogic that inflates prices. Centro prices are closer (not the same) to what locals pay, if they pay at all, neighborhood chicas bang friends for free or small favors etc. it's the local culture. Gringos drive up prices in the venues they frequent due to their stupidity. The economy of Colombia, is not a massive trade economy, they are self sufficient in a lot of things e.g Energy, Agro products, services etc. So their world and economy doesn't revolve around dollars like it does in Panama for example. So there maybe some adjustment if inflation goes up, but what people charge for services is more correlated to that than the exchange rate. The fixed price of a taxi from the airport to poblado / laurles etc I have found to be a better correlate of that than what a gringo in heat decides to pay a puta when his little head has taken over.

By that yardstick since 2018 to now it has moved 70 mil to 90 mil. Tunnel fee is included. In 2018 you got the longer and more scenic mountain route instead. In that time FB pricing went 120-150 mil to now 150-200 mil. I have no idea if the Hershey highway fee is included as I don't take that route.
I also don't do Centro much but I hear it remains around 40-50 mil. However places frequented by gringos have been on a tear. I hear La Isla is now over 300 mil and so is fase dos, loutron is at 380 I hear, energy 175mil and gringo central Gustos I hear has chicas now asking $300 US. Inform yourself. Seeking is very variable and all depends on the deal you cut for yourself. Many there want a sugar relationship but some are open to be paid for a cita but more likely to want 250 mil and above, someone here said recently he got a deal for 1500 mil and it was worth every peso. Hope that explains the versatility of Medellin a bit. One thing I have noticed, a seasoned puta is likely to have seen a lot of gringos and demand a higher rate, the newer ones are more likely to be fine with what you offer as long as it's fair, gringos living locally get the best deals as they offer steady and repeat business.
if you are a repeat visitor, or even if not, the way you treat a chica and how you set up the pad ambiance wise makes a difference in if they like you and want to repeat. I mean ultimately she's there to please you, but just treat them as you would like to be treated and it goes a long way in helping you build your roster. They do take such factors into account all other things being equal.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696631]So how come the street walkers that seem to be attractive also in some of the posts I see take 30,000 COP? I mean that's like $5. WTF. Venturing out for some street action seems a bit exciting to me also.[/QUOTE]I think you were talking about FB girls. If not, then let me clarify it is for FB girls. What I am trying to say is don't be unhappy if you can't get 150 mil. Get what you want and prepare to spend a little more if necessary so you can be happy.

When you try it, ask the street girl how much for 1 hour or 2 hour to see how much they quote you. The price you mention is for short time in a dingy room, and maybe with a large peek hole on the door. You probably won't be getting the same thing as a newbie.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696631]So how come the street walkers that seem to be attractive also in some of the posts I see take 30,000 COP?[/QUOTE]Because you are dealing with 2 different markets. The 30 K is the local we want some pussy market. The 150,200 K is the foreigners that want to hang out with the hooker instead of just fucking her market. You do not see locals trying to hook up with hookers through facebook. When they want to fuck, they go straight to the place to fuck. None of that seeing if we have chemistry and worrying about whether she is into it shit.

When I was in Cali hanging out with 2 other board members in March we went to a fuck spot. The manager was a bit confused because we would not pick a chick. I explained to him that foreigners want to ogle the chicks before picking one, but these girls come out and introduce themselves for a quick view and run back to hide behind the curtain. He thought that was the dumbest thing. He said you are supposed to look at them quickly and pick the one you want, have her come sit next to you so you can see her better in the light, then take her upstairs to fuck.

Foreigners tend to make fucking hookers a complicated process. And to participate in this more complicated process is going to run more than the 30 K lets fuck right here right now process.

I wanted to respond since I remember asking a similar question for one of my first posts on the Medellin board. With some experience under my belt now, I'd be curious about this one if I were you. Firstly, many barrio girls dress pretty revealingly by US standards normally (prepago or not). Also, many Colombian women genuinely like guys that are somewhat older than them. I'm not saying she's not a prepago or won't try to scam you, but you can pretty easily figure out how much she wants with some subtle questions. Also, who cares if she's looking for Captain Save a Ho / Boyfriend or not as long as you don't fall into that trap? If you are honest with her and tell her you are casually dating, it's her fault for interpreting anything differently.

In these cases, I figure out what a price is by telling them I'll pay their "gastos" or expenses and then asking about that. Normal Colombian girls expect guys to pay for the date most of the time, so they won't be surprised by this. When finalizing the date, I tell her I'm going to the ATM and ask how much she'll need for her taxi, babysitter etc?. They may throw an inflated number at you, but you can compare that to market rates for a prepago. The most I've ever been asked for that way was 200 k and transportation was included. This was for a babysitter and taxi between Envigado and Laureles. I knew that she was paying half that for her actual taxi and babysitter expenses, but her quoted price was right in the lowish to normal Facebook range for a prepago. So I was happy to pay it / pretend to be none the wiser. I've also had girls that just wanted their taxi paid or were happy with what I gave them.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696493]Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.[/QUOTE]

My first post from last night still not up and may be somewhat incoherent. Nymphette is giving me true GFE without any drama and I am digging it. One good sign of GFE? Morning sex. First we fucked upon awakening for morning wood treatment, then 30 minutes later without any resistance an nice blowjob on her knees and pillow at the foot of the bed.

We all pay one way or another and I have happily agreed to buy her hair today, literally in a bag, and then a hairdresser will install. I am also paying the hotel room rate as long as I am staying here at 50 mil COP per night ($12 USD) so that is not going to break the bank. Ironically, the WiFi here Rocks the Casbah, it's good! And I am feeding her pudgy little ass. Nickel and dime stuff. I haven't unpacked yet. Running two rooms, I am sure there will be some chicas on the side at The Nuti if I stay here more than another day. Ostee Out. Damn, it feels good to be back!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696378]LOL cheap ass 28 k COP a day hotel in centro. Not my choice of bed sheets LOL it came with the room along with the cockroaches.[/QUOTE]Have with you some bedsheets and cockroach spray and you're good. Leave them in the room when you depart.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696493]Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.[/QUOTE]You are not going to find a girl on FB and marry her. Consider all FB chicas as prepagos no matter what they tell you. This this game you have to pay to play, as simple as that. Always.

(1) video chat before arranging a meeting so you know she is real.

Never (2) pay before session.

Also tell her to be on time and (3) bring her cedula.

If she can't do (1, 2 and 3), move on to the next. You are in the land of chicas, it is mongers' market.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2696585]You can start with 150 mil and may get it but that probably is an unrealistic number for a better looking girl. Most girls appear to start with 250 mil but most will come down to 200 and some won't. Try to focus on getting the service you want, and be ready to pay 200 mil or 250 mil. It's a learning experience. You will figure it out after a few times.[/QUOTE]For 200 K, do you ask for 2 hours and 2 leches or just una hora con una leche?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2696696]Consider all FB chicas as prepagos no matter what they tell you.[/QUOTE]Consider every single legal-aged female in Colombia to be on a continuum defined by, "I will have sex for money". YMMV.

And I want to go on record as the guy who started all this "big head, little head" banter here, not in the world of course. And I appreciate some of the added twists. I'm a writer so I guess you could say shit like that matters to me. I have done my fair share of stealing phrases too. Lately, I've become a Super-user of the phrase "Pussy Prison" used to describe the USA, and I definitely stole that from someone here. Good stuff. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

Nymphette is getting her hair done as I type this. I haven't even unpacked yet, jeje. Made a bee-line for her hotel room when I arrived and that's where I am headed next. I could do a screenplay just on my first two days here. Love you guys. If you are going to eat ass, always use Listerine afterwards! Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696719]For 200 K, do you ask for 2 hours and 2 leches or just una hora con una leche?[/QUOTE]It varies so you will get different results from different girls. It also depends on you, and what you do during the meet. If you want 2 leches, better ask the girl when setting up appointment. I think you will figure it out after a few dates.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2696325]Just got back to medellin the day before yesterday and this trip is starting out excellent. I had a beautiful 19 year old vennie spinner come to my hotel yesterday. It turns out she's actually a Webcam model for some online Webcam or some shit but I actually met her thru her sister who I met on a previous trip. Excellent BBFS with CIP 1 hour 150 k COP. Absolutely great service and with a smile LOL. To borrow a phrase from Ostee, I've included some gratuitous photos. Enjoy.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Just stunning. I agree with another poster. It's not everyday I feel envious.

A lot of these girls just can't admit to themselves that they are a prepago. Maybe they think since they only do it on occasion or only do it when they really need the money, they are not the same as a "real" prepago. Jejejeje. Most likely she wants to get together, she'll bang you, and then she'll expect you to nicely give her some money on the way out. Some will not look at it and some will. Some will say "muy poco" when it's not what they expected (even though they never told you what they expected). Life in Medellin. Got to love it.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2696493]Question.

With the facebook game one girl's photos have all of a sign of a semi pro or a girl that is down for pay for play. But she told me from the beginning that she is not prepado, but she would be interested in getting together. What the hell is that suppose to mean? Is she looking for a captain save a ho gringo or something? All of this is new to me so thank you all for all of your help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2696807]A lot of these girls just can't admit to themselves that they are a prepago. Life in Medellin. Got to love it.[/QUOTE]Is good. I do.

Guys,

How do you deal with fact that almost all putas and even semi pros seem to have zero interest in the art of foreplay? Almost all of them avoid hugs and fondling when you enter the room with them, instead they either take off their clothes and head to washroom or to the bed and ask. Where is the condom?

Fuck that, I lose all my excitement by then and feel like kicking them out. The joy of unwrapping the gift is completely stolen. Not to mention that sometimes the body does not seem to match expectations.

How do you guys control the situation and raise the temperature?

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696719]For 200 K, do you ask for 2 hours and 2 leches or just una hora con una leche?[/QUOTE]For 200 k, you should be able to have as many leches as you want during the agreed period of time. For most people, 2-3 is where the fun is, then it becomes a burden.

Say 55 k HH, how much the girl keep and how much the house keep?

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696719]For 200 K, do you ask for 2 hours and 2 leches or just una hora con una leche?[/QUOTE]Everyone does it differently. My approach is to ask por un rato (for a while) and leave it open ended. I always make it known I repeat usually. That way I can judge attitude, do we vibe, is she a pleaser, does she set rules from the start, restrict leches, etc.

The ones that will just show up for the cita and pay, I probably don't think want the 2nd leche anyway. Its 200 mil. Move on and delete her profile. Over time you pick up a few gems and those take up most of your time. Once they are with you, it's just a super chill situation, and everyone is relaxed and you get what you want, as often as you want and you don't even have to discuss price. FYI I used to be the guy discussing every detail including the number of leches and where etc. And though some specifics are warranted on the first negotiation, keep it to what you must have. I have even negotiated 2 leches and decided no mas after the first as it was so lousy and felt like a chore. Did I repeat? Hell no.
Equally there was a time I didn't ask a thing, went 3 times and I don't think she would have minded if it was 3 more, she was on a mission to make sure I was happy and satisfied by the time she left almost 3hrs later. I gave her 200mil total and she was happy. Did I repeat? Hell yeah.
So I can conclude by saying it's hard to negotiate attitude and that is what matters most once you two are in the room alone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2696651]Because you are dealing with 2 different markets. The 30 K is the local we want some pussy market. The 150,200 K is the foreigners that want to hang out with the hooker instead of just fucking her market. [/QUOTE]Hehe. That is so spot on. The extra 170 k is to stroke the ego of the monger into thinking that that he has got smthg going on w her more than a quick fuck. Yes, he has. He has bought a quick fuck for 30 k and then wasted 170 k on talking about it w her.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696970]So I can conclude by saying it's hard to negotiate attitude and that is what matters most once you two are in the room alone.[/QUOTE]That is oh so true, and the reason I never bother. BTW: whenever I read your posts, I can't help but envisage Lex Luther.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2697001]Hehe. That is so spot on. The extra 170 k is to stroke the ego of the monger into thinking that that he has got smthg going on w her more than a quick fuck. Yes, he has. He has bought a quick fuck for 30 k and then wasted 170 k on talking about it w her.[/QUOTE]Not the way most people see it, certainly not the way I see it.

If I take up station in Botero Plaza, or along Veracruz where I can watch one of the more attractive girls, I can watch her take a customer up, a bit later, another customer. Throughout her time, she might climb those stairs with 5-10 guys.

How many times has she showered, a full, real shower rather than a quick soap of the crotch. How many times has she brushed her teeth? How many times have the towels and sheets been changed? Has there been any cleaning at all?

And you paid 30 k +10 k for the room, which everyone seems to forget at critical times when making comparisons.

I can't speak for everyone, but if I call up a girl for 200 k, like last Friday morning, she came to me fresh from home. She's clean and showered and at her best. Most times I'm the first guy she has seen today. Often I'm the only guy she's seen in a few days. My room is clean. At most the sheets have been slept on once, by me. Usually there's something to drink, something to snack on. There's music. Quite often there is a jacuzzi (because I enjoy relaxing in a jacuzzi with a girl). There's a shower, with plenty of hot water and good quality soap and shampoo.

For me, that's a comfortable and clean environment where I can enjoy the time with a girl who knows there's no rush. She doesn't need to run down to the street and grab another customer. She's walking out with almost everything she needs to support herself for the week.

Would you say that's the same situation with a girl from the street in El Centro? How many of those short time rooms have a refrigerator with juice and beer? How many have some chocolate or other sweet snacks? How many can you guarantee that you won't at some point come in contact with another man's semen?

Then there's the act itself. Occasionally, in El Centro ST rooms, do you get a knock on the door after 25-30 minutes? For me that's a negative. In almost all cases your up against the clock. It's supposed to be fun, not a race.

In my place, no clock, no time limit, no rush. We can talk, she can relax. She can sit down and get off of her feet. She can take a nice, long, hot shower and come up feeling clean and refreshed. She can maybe see that there's something more to me than the tiny bit of money she would get from you. I can probably make her laugh. I might be able to make her feel something more than "when will this guy get off of me?

We can undress slowly. None of the quickly get undressed and roll your pants up as a pillow. She can dance for me, or with me. Before the sex even starts, you've already had 3 knocks on the door, and that's without a jacuzzi. With a jacuzzi, your girl is on her 4th customer before we're toweling off and moving to bed. She's probably already had 1 orgasm, maybe more. A real orgasm and not the "Si papi, si papi" act. I've had a BBBJ, there has been plenty of DFK and DATY.

For your girls next 1 or 2 customers, we're in the bed, trying out different positions, or on the couch, table, balcony or even floor. And when it's over, there's no rush. I've had girls fall asleep on my shoulder, only to wake up an hour later and demand a round 2, not easy for me, but with proper motivation, it can be done.

In the end there's another shower and a long kiss goodnight.

In almost every case she's going to ask when she can come back. In many cases she's pulling out her phone to show the girls she wants to send my way.

I've got nothing against the quick, cheap fuck, I've had a few. They're fine when that's my mood. If that was all I could afford, I'd probably be satisfied. However, if you think the 2 experiences are identical, except for the price, I pity you. You're always going to be eating hamburger believing it's the same as steak.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2697001]Hehe. That is so spot on. The extra 170 k is to stroke the ego of the monger into thinking that that he has got smthg going on w her more than a quick fuck. Yes, he has. He has bought a quick fuck for 30 k and then wasted 170 k on talking about it w her.[/QUOTE]Jajajaja. Or you could pay a little extra for BBFS, then you're actually getting something extra for the extra money LOL.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696949]Guys,

How do you deal with fact that almost all putas and even semi pros seem to have zero interest in the art of foreplay? Almost all of them avoid hugs and fondling when you enter the room with them, instead they either take off their clothes and head to washroom or to the bed and ask. Where is the condom?

Fuck that, I lose all my excitement by then and feel like kicking them out. The joy of unwrapping the gift is completely stolen. Not to mention that sometimes the body does not seem to match expectations.

How do you guys control the situation and raise the temperature?[/QUOTE]Tell them up front you want Girl Friend Experience, a little harder to find and obviously you need to click. I am in the middle of an extended GFE at this moment. She knows about my List, she made it onto the List faster than any other chica in history, because of her GFE ability. If you are not rock-solid with your emotions and persona, tread lightly, because they will have you believing you are her one-and-only faster than a puta dodges a raindrop. I have never started out a visit to MDE like this before. One chica, GFE, I promised her five nights and amazingly at this point I won't be amazed if we hit that mark. None of my regulars know I am in town. Catgirl just Whassapped me today from the DR so maybe my timing is good. Better than good. The smoking hot sister of my GFE was the cherry on top.

You're going to have a harder time getting GFE for short encounters but not impossible, especially if you can make your wants known to her before you close the deal.

I carry a small Blue Tooth speaker with me for encounters in the Love Motels. Mirrors. Lower your expectations. All unhappiness is preceded by desire.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696642]This is the precise type of illogic that inflates prices. Centro prices are closer (not the same) to what locals pay, if they pay at all, neighborhood chicas bang friends for free or small favors etc. it's the local culture. Gringos drive up prices in the venues they frequent due to their stupidity. The economy of Colombia, is not a massive trade economy, they are self sufficient in a lot of things e.g Energy, Agro products, services etc. So their world and economy doesn't revolve around dollars like it does in Panama for example. So there maybe some adjustment if inflation goes up, but what people charge for services is more correlated to that than the exchange rate. The fixed price of a taxi from the airport to poblado / laurles etc I have found to be a better correlate of that than what a gringo in heat decides to pay a puta when his little head has taken over.
l.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure what is illogic about what I wrote, it's actually quite logical. Also Colombia is far from self sufficient in today's global economy. All of those electronics the girls are buying and many of the clothes they're wearing are from abroad, plus cars (and those contracts are in USD, plus the US is their largest importer). Secondly, all of the gringos coming to Medellin are driving up housing, so that is also increasing costs. It's not me paying slightly more for a chica each year LOL.

With all respect, I studied economics in grad school and have been coming here for over 10 years. Probably 25 trips. I don't need a lecture from a cheap charlie on gringos driving up prices.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2697069]I'm not sure what is illogic about what I wrote, it's actually quite logical. Also Colombia is far from self sufficient in today's global economy. All of those electronics the girls are buying and many of the clothes they're wearing are from abroad, plus cars (and those contracts are in USD, plus the US is their largest importer). Secondly, all of the gringos coming to Medellin are driving up housing, so that is also increasing costs. It's not me paying slightly more for a chica each year LOL.

With all respect, I studied economics in grad school and have been coming here for over 10 years. Probably 25 trips. I don't need a lecture from a cheap charlie on gringos driving up prices.[/QUOTE]Ok let me spell it out for you, since apparently your economics degree in grad school didn't do you much good. Saying that the price of pussy in Colombia correlates to exchange rate is abject nonsense. It doesn't in either directions. Some of the veterans on this board can tell you that when the peso strengthened the prices did not adjust downwards. Inflation in Colombia is based on many things of which exchange rate is one factor. Cost of services generally correlate with inflation.

You do what you want and pay what you want, but you can't post your opinion as fact. Get over yourself.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2697075]Ok let me spell it out for you, since apparently your economics degree in grad school didn't do you much good. Saying that the price of pussy in Colombia correlates to exchange rate is abject nonsense. It doesn't in either directions. Some of the veterans on this board can tell you that when the peso strengthened the prices did not adjust downwards. Inflation in Colombia is based on many things of which exchange rate is one factor. Cost of services generally correlate with inflation.

You do what you want and pay what you want, but you can't post your opinion as fact. Get over yourself.[/QUOTE]I am over myself and wish you the same. You are the one who initially reacted in such a combative manner. I have merely shared some insight into economics and how exchanges rates work. As you correctly noted, 'cost of services generally correlate with inflation' (exactly! Inflation up, costs up! I wish you nothing but the best.

Has anyone visited Abydos recently? I think it is on avenida 33. It used to be owned by the same person, I was told, that owned Loutron. And the girls were about the same, though shorter and the rooms not as fancy as the resort type house Loutron. Any comments on recent pricing and quality of chicas please? Loutron used to have top notch girls, but they were not as friendly as Abydos.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696949]Guys,

How do you deal with fact that almost all putas and even semi pros seem to have zero interest in the art of foreplay? Almost all of them avoid hugs and fondling when you enter the room with them, instead they either take off their clothes and head to washroom or to the bed and ask. Where is the condom?

Fuck that, I lose all my excitement by then and feel like kicking them out. The joy of unwrapping the gift is completely stolen. Not to mention that sometimes the body does not seem to match expectations.

How do you guys control the situation and raise the temperature?[/QUOTE]A lot of it depends on your accommodations. Can't sit on the balcony if you don't have a balcony. That's why I don't stay much in rooms with just the basics.

First I greet them with a combination handshake, peck on the cheek and light hug. Then I lead them to where I want them to go, couch or balcony. I ask how they are and if they want something to drink. All the time, I'm in no hurry.

After getting drinks, I sit down next to her and just talk a bit. AK a few basic questions, answer a few. Drop a compliment or two. I always keep in contact, but keep it safe. Get her connected to the WiFi and to your little Bluetooth speaker. Let her put on some music.

Caress her arm and leg, give a few kisses on the cheek and neck. Be the aggressor, but keep it moving at your pace. You can completely control the pace, but you have to do it from the start. Don't let her walk in and take charge.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2697018]We can undress slowly. None of the quickly get undressed and roll your pants up as a pillow.[/QUOTE]Then keep leaving your pants draped over a chair when you go to the bathroom, and keep getting your pocket picked. As to the rest of your comparisons between "quick fucks" and your preferences, most of that is in your head and not her's. And you have no idea how many guys these girls are seeing, but if it helps to think you are the first of the day or week, so be it, but is all in your head.

The vast majority of these girls are from the same handful of lower tier barrios, whether they are working in casas, on FB, or around Lleras. Virtually all want to get you off and move a long, and don't want to spend a lot of time looking at older gringos. However if you negotiate for more like kissing or a second nut, or they sense that you want that, you may get it. But that's because they like the nice payday they are getting from you and want to come back.

P.S. If you don't like knocks on the door and whatnot, or want to take your time showering, go to a casa and pay for the hour.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2697082]... I have merely shared some insight ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2697075]Ok let me spell it out for you,....[/QUOTE]How about we settle it this way. Chicago85 list your girls, I will pick from the list. GeneHickman can guarantee and arrange the meet for 200 mil or lower. I will pay for the girl to prove the point.

Has Anyone on here gotten any cosmetic body contouring done specifically some type of liposuction? Does anyone have any recommendations or facilities to get have the process done? Has anyone ever heard of Cirugía plástica en Medellíand?

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2696957]For 200 k, you should be able to have as many leches as you want during the agreed period of time. For most people, 2-3 is where the fun is, then it becomes a burden.[/QUOTE]I'll have tres leches please. LOL and I don't mean the cake jajajajja.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2697098]A lot of it depends on your accommodations. Can't sit on the balcony if you don't have a balcony. That's why I don't stay much in rooms with just the basics.

First I greet them with a combination handshake, peck on the cheek and light hug. Then I lead them to where I want them to go, couch or balcony. I ask how they are and if they want something to drink. All the time, I'm in no hurry.

After getting drinks, I sit down next to her and just talk a bit. AK a few basic questions, answer a few. Drop a compliment or two. I always keep in contact, but keep it safe. Get her connected to the WiFi and to your little Bluetooth speaker. Let her put on some music.

Caress her arm and leg, give a few kisses on the cheek and neck. Be the aggressor, but keep it moving at your pace. You can completely control the pace, but you have to do it from the start. Don't let her walk in and take charge.[/QUOTE]You do have a point. Now that I think about it, rushed experience is more common in rooms that are quite basic.

Thanks for the tips, I will certainly try these on next few dates.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2697060]Tell them up front you want Girl Friend Experience, a little harder to find and obviously you need to click. I am in the middle of an extended GFE at this moment. She knows about my List, she made it onto the List faster than any other chica in history, because of her GFE ability. If you are not rock-solid with your emotions and persona, tread lightly, because they will have you believing you are her one-and-only faster than a puta dodges a raindrop. I have never started out a visit to MDE like this before. One chica, GFE, I promised her five nights and amazingly at this point I won't be amazed if we hit that mark. None of my regulars know I am in town. Catgirl just Whassapped me today from the DR so maybe my timing is good. Better than good. The smoking hot sister of my GFE was the cherry on top.

You're going to have a harder time getting GFE for short encounters but not impossible, especially if you can make your wants known to her before you close the deal.

I carry a small Blue Tooth speaker with me for encounters in the Love Motels. Mirrors. Lower your expectations. All unhappiness is preceded by desire.[/QUOTE]"Lower your expectations. All unhappiness is preceded by desire." Very true indeed.

Be careful with excessive GFE though, can be a deadly two faced sword.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2696970]Everyone does it differently. My approach is to ask por un rato (for a while) and leave it open ended. I always make it known I repeat usually. That way I can judge attitude, do we vibe, is she a pleaser, does she set rules from the start, restrict leches, etc.

The ones that will just show up for the cita and pay, I probably don't think want the 2nd leche anyway. Its 200 mil. Move on and delete her profile. Over time you pick up a few gems and those take up most of your time. Once they are with you, it's just a super chill situation, and everyone is relaxed and you get what you want, as often as you want and you don't even have to discuss price. FYI I used to be the guy discussing every detail including the number of leches and where etc. And though some specifics are warranted on the first negotiation, keep it to what you must have. I have even negotiated 2 leches and decided no mas after the first as it was so lousy and felt like a chore. Did I repeat? Hell no.
Equally there was a time I didn't ask a thing, went 3 times and I don't think she would have minded if it was 3 more, she was on a mission to make sure I was happy and satisfied by the time she left almost 3hrs later. I gave her 200mil total and she was happy. Did I repeat? Hell yeah..[/QUOTE]There have been times in my life when I almost rejected or walked away from a girl. The intercourse turned out to be best of the best in a thousand.

The problem with lists is that unless one visits regularly, like 3/4 times in a year, it becomes difficult to stay in touch. Girls often change their numbers. If you try to stay in touch remotely, the demand for $$$ does not take long to appear.

I guess its all a matter of luck and planetary alignment during that particular time.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2696949]Guys,

How do you deal with fact that almost all putas and even semi pros seem to have zero interest in the art of foreplay? Almost all of them avoid hugs and fondling when you enter the room with them, instead they either take off their clothes and head to washroom or to the bed and ask. Where is the condom?

Fuck that, I lose all my excitement by then and feel like kicking them out. The joy of unwrapping the gift is completely stolen. Not to mention that sometimes the body does not seem to match expectations.

How do you guys control the situation and raise the temperature?[/QUOTE]I've rarely had a problem getting significant foreplay when I have a chica over at my place. OTOH at Centro casas, while it happens from time to time, it's not the norm. Of course one costs 200 mil and the other 40 mil. I typically do both when I'm in MDE as well as a bunch of options in between. Sometimes you want kissing and hugging and sometimes you just want to sport fuck.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2697097]Has anyone visited Abydos recently? I think it is on avenida 33. It used to be owned by the same person, I was told, that owned Loutron. And the girls were about the same, though shorter and the rooms not as fancy as the resort type house Loutron. Any comments on recent pricing and quality of chicas please? Loutron used to have top notch girls, but they were not as friendly as Abydos.[/QUOTE]I may be mistaken, but I think Abydos has been closed for several years. I used to hit it once every visit.

There is no doubt about it. The one in Medellin is better. I feel like two completely different persons. I made a very good new friend here who upon seeing me on arrival said, "Asti, relax, you need to let the effects of the real world wear off you.

I went straight from the airport to one of the worst sections in the city to stay with a girl I barely knew. Her sister lives in the same hotel. Allow me to define Colombiana jealousy for you. Froggy (my new name for her) said, "I'm a very jealous person and I apologize up front for that. You can fuck my sister but don't communicate with her on-line behind my back. " Deal.

Today, she used me like her personal ATM but I was a willing participant. She is not charging me for sex, but we all pay one way another in the end. At first, I found myself keeping a running tally in my head for what we were spending on shopping compared to a la carte sexual sessions. The numbers were stacking up favorably, then I said fuggit, I'm happy, she's happy, the hallmark of a good deal. Enjoy. She took me to a couple of areas of El Centro I had not seen before. Generally I believe having a local girl on your arm has a protective effect, in most cultures. I completely get why certain mongers wouldn't want to go through all this extra hassle for sex, but that's why they call it GFE for Girlfriend Experience and I am enjoying it now as a change of pace and she is great at it.

I know I have a good one because she doesn't automatically default to the most expensive choices. In fact, for the prescription eyeglasses it was my idea to go for the upgrade. She is a great bargain shopper and she watches out for my best interests. The SW corner of Simon Bolivar Parque is block of all optical shops. After we picked a pair, they walked us to the corner to get the eye exam, total cost 90 mil COP or $22 USD. We will be spending our third night together tonight, out of the five I promised her. I have no idea how I came up with five as the magic number. I remember when she asked me that 1-30 jumped in my head. It's not easy to suddenly be around a stranger 24/7 but we got lucky.

Another thing I luv about her is she pays very close attention to my Spanish, or rather the lack of it. She helps, she understands me when others can't, and interprets my Spanish to something understandable. She corrects me politely. Great and different start to another Medellin adventure.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2697100]Then keep leaving your pants draped over a chair when you go to the bathroom, and keep getting your pocket picked. As to the rest of your comparisons between "quick fucks" and your preferences, most of that is in your head and not her's. And you have no idea how many guys these girls are seeing, but if it helps to think you are the first of the day or week, so be it, but is all in your head.

The vast majority of these girls are from the same handful of lower tier barrios, whether they are working in casas, on FB, or around Lleras. Virtually all want to get you off and move a long, and don't want to spend a lot of time looking at older gringos. However if you negotiate for more like kissing or a second nut, or they sense that you want that, you may get it. But that's because they like the nice payday they are getting from you and want to come back.

P.S. If you don't like knocks on the door and whatnot, or want to take your time showering, go to a casa and pay for the hour.[/QUOTE]Let's compare. Had 50 k taken out of my pocket about 5 years ago. Had 250 k taken out of my pocket a week ago, but got it back and then gave the girl less than I had originally planned. My pants weren't hung on a chair either time, and I showed a profit on the second one. Other than the 30+ minutes discussing the theft with the second girl, it cost me no time.

You let a "friend" drug and rob you. If I remember correctly, it cost you 14 hours of consciousness, plus all that was taken, plus the medical bill, plus you could have died.

I think I prefer my outcome. Nothing personal, but it seems your situation was not only much more expensive, it was also more dangerous.

Which brings up judging other people's motivations. You incorrectly judged the intentions and motivation of the guy who robbed you, in fact you referred to him as a "friend." I correctly judged the intentions of the girl who tried to rob me and managed the situation with minimal fuss.

Again, it's nothing personal, but if you can't determine the difference between a friend and someone who is willing to risk killing you in order to rob you, I'm not confident you're qualified to judge the feelings of a woman you've never met, during and after an encounter of which you have no knowledge.

The working girls don't all come from the same handful of barrios, however, almost all of them come from the same estratos. They come from many dozens of barrios, plus from many other cities and pueblos.

As for the rest, shall we have some fun?

1. Just a rough guess, what percentage of the time do casa girls, in the casa, spend 5 minutes taking selfies? Even in a basic place like San Peter Apartments, I'd say 70% are going to snap a few pics. If you stay in an upscale hotel or apartment it's almost guaranteed.

My take on that is the women prefer the environment of a decent hotel or apartment more than of a casa or ST hotel. If a worker is placed in a better work environment, what effect does that have on productivity and job satisfaction?

2. How often does a casa or street girl stay with you beyond the initially agreed upon time, without asking for additional payment?. Just a guess, from my experience, 8 or 9 out of 10, of the girls who come to see me, aren't going to make a move to leave, until I make a move to get dressed. A few will even attempt to initiate a second round, which isn't an easy task with me. Never a mention of extra charges.

My analysis, they enjoy being with me enough that they're in no hurry to leave. Of course it's possible the casa girls want to stay with you longer, but they're on the clock and they need at least 5 customers, with tips to take home what my girls make from 1 session.

All of this varies from girl to girl and monger to monger. There are street girls who will spend hours hanging out with a monger, before going up to a room. There are mongers who want the girl out of the room 2 minutes after they finish.

Actually I do have a pretty good idea how many guys these girls are seeing. It's quite simple. Many of them post pictures of where they are, or what they're doing throughout the day. It's simply a matter of recognizing the different activities. Braiding daughter's hair, probably not fucking a customer. Walking dogs in park, probably not fucking a customer. Getting a manicure, probably not fucking a customer. Taking selfie in nice elevator, on the way to fuck a customer.

One last thing, if I want to avoid the knock on the door, just go to a casa and pay for an hour? How does that work exactly? I'm going to need to have a refrigerator delivered and put in the room, buy snacks and drinks and some extra pillows, plus clean towels and sheets and a better mattress. In many of the casas I'll need to get a water heater installed. I'll definitely need to bring a shower head. After all of that, where am I going to find room for the jacuzzi?

I'm just getting a knock 30 minutes later.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2697101]How about we settle it this way. Chicago85 list your girls, I will pick from the list. GeneHickman can guarantee and arrange the meet for 200 mil or lower. I will pay for the girl to prove the point.[/QUOTE]This is a great idea. Let's see what kind of girls we are dealing with here.

Guys what are your thoughts on some of the facebook profiles who have only guys as friends no chicas. Does that seem suspect to you? Since setting up my facebook game in Colombia I realize that I am coming across a few profiles who I have added or they have added me and their friends list is just straight up dudes. Seems like no bueno to me.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2697180]Guys what are your thoughts on some of the facebook profiles who have only guys as friends no chicas. Does that seem suspect to you? Since setting up my facebook game in Colombia I realize that I am coming across a few profiles who I have added or they have added me and their friends list is just straight up dudes. Seems like no bueno to me.[/QUOTE]It is a clients list, not a friends list. Are you there to fuck or to make friends?

What is the action like near and at Parque Lleras now?

Is Gustos a good place to meet women? Any other clubs recommended? What is the going rate for short time?

Any other restaurants during the day recommended, or is the action mostly in the night time?

Damn, should have known better because this chick is located in that Punta De piedea building, in the same apartment I have seen other mechancial girls.

I was in the mood for a girl with bolt ONS so I took a dive. Mamasan sees me in, I go to the room and wait for her. She has the typcial suregery to expecet, the paisa nose even with the uneven nostrils you see as it gets close.

I started off, it looked good she grinds and dances into my cock and gets me hard but then both of her phones are rining and then the music playing on the other one stops and a fucking commercial plays!

Jesus christ! Just find a continunous mix and don't break the vibe or pay for spotifiy premium! I swear these chicks that can withstand ads in all there music are the same ones that have the fire alarm chiping because they don't change the battery and they ignore it.

Anyway on the action or lack there off, I try to kiss and she does the side swipe and kisses on the neck and ears and tries to kiss on my nipples. I reallyl dislike when they say they kiss in there ads and give a peck like they are kissing some friend in public. Give me a break!

I paid an addtional 50 mil for oral naturale (with the exchance rate its less then the cost of a 2 pieace & a biscuit back home).

This girl grabs the wet nap and wipes down my dick more times then actually sucking, like wtf. I think I got 24.5 seconds of actual sucking and it was mediocre at best. She rushes to put on the rubber and climbs on top with the intention of making me cum as fast as possible.

FUCK YOU! I'm not going to let you get away with that. I hold out and get past the initinal one pump chump phase and on to other positions. She tries to get me in doggy and do it again, this pisses me off. I turn her missionary so I can choke her a bit and let her know I am now in angry fuck mode. I try to kiss again and she does it a little but I am like fuck it. I get on my back and have her give me an old fashion. She stragle herself over me so I can play with her pussy while she jerks me off, We agree I cum on her tits and what does she do??

The ***** is a cum dodger! She makes it so I cum all over myself and the bed. Ugh, I just wanted to leave after that. I clean up lay on my stomach and she gives a half ass massage while checking her whatsapp for the next vitcm.

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[QUOTE=Chicago85;2697069]I'm not sure what is illogic about what I wrote, it's actually quite logical. Also Colombia is far from self sufficient in today's global economy. All of those electronics the girls are buying and many of the clothes they're wearing are from abroad, plus cars (and those contracts are in USD, plus the US is their largest importer). Secondly, all of the gringos coming to Medellin are driving up housing, so that is also increasing costs. It's not me paying slightly more for a chica each year LOL.

With all respect, I studied economics in grad school and have been coming here for over 10 years. Probably 25 trips. I don't need a lecture from a cheap charlie on gringos driving up prices.[/QUOTE]Agreed but also lets put into perspective things, tourisim in Colombia economic makes up only 2% to 3. 8% of the GDP.

To put that in perspective NYC alone makes up 8% of the economy from tourism.

I'm not saying that the "gringo" price isn't happeing however it's a small percentage comparied to the rest of the economy for driving up prices.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2697293]

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170 mil + 50 Mil oral natural.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the well-written review. Are the pics accurate though?

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2697180]Guys what are your thoughts on some of the facebook profiles who have only guys as friends no chicas. Does that seem suspect to you? Since setting up my facebook game in Colombia I realize that I am coming across a few profiles who I have added or they have added me and their friends list is just straight up dudes. Seems like no bueno to me.[/QUOTE]First thing, you're not seeing all of their Facebook friends. The way I have my Facebook security set up, I don't show up in anyone's friend list. Many others have their account set up the same. You'll see a girl with 32 mutual friends, but it only shows 6.

It's possible that you've found a girl's work account, one that is only for customers. It's possible the account belongs to someone who is only using it to trick guys into sending money.

If you see something which doesn't seem right, just be alert. Chances are you're just going to get a "family emergency, please send money if you can" at some point. Just block them and move on.

[QUOTE=Jmioffe;2697298]Thanks for the well-written review. Are the pics accurate though?[/QUOTE]Yes but when you see it in person she raised the exposure she is a bit more cinnamon and has some tats.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2697120]Has Anyone on here gotten any cosmetic body contouring done specifically some type of liposuction? Does anyone have any recommendations or facilities to get have the process done? Has anyone ever heard of Ciruga plstica en Medelland?[/QUOTE]I feel you but honeslty. Try doing it the natural way because once you do lipo and if you gain the fat back, the fat goes to other parts of your body.

If you want real results quickly, try doing a 30 day water fast. As long as you drink the electrolytes and water each day you will loose 1-2 lbs a day. It requires displine, the first couple of days suck but after that you will feel great, your skin will clear up and youll be thankful you didn't do surgery. Also you actually save money from not eating for a month!

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2697293]Damn, should have known better because this chick is located in that Punta De piedea building, in the same apartment I have seen other mechancial girls.

I was in the mood for a girl with bolt ONS so I took a dive. Mamasan sees me in, I go to the room and wait for her. She has the typcial suregery to expecet, the paisa nose even with the uneven nostrils you see as it gets close.

I started off, it looked good she grinds and dances into my cock and gets me hard but then both of her phones are rining and then the music playing on the other one stops and a fucking commercial plays!

Jesus christ! Just find a continunous mix and don't break the vibe or pay for spotifiy premium! I swear these chicks that can withstand ads in all there music are the same ones that have the fire alarm chiping because they don't change the battery and they ignore it..[/QUOTE]Why get so angry over it? It's a cheap fuck, nothing more.

Here's a tip, if you've agreed to COB. Either finish up standing with her kneeling on the bed and one or both hands on her shoulders, depending on whether or not she's doing the work you paid her for. She can't dodge and if she does, it just ends up on her bed. The other option is to straddle her stomach while she lays on her back. Easy stuff.

And the rest. Pay for Spotify premium? Chances are she has no bank account and if she has one, it's got about 4 k in it. She should have had the decency to hire a DJ or at least have an 80's cover band playing Hall and Oates' greatest hits.

You're going to have trouble finding girls on those sites who are willing to stick their tongue down the throat of every customer. If it's important, either negotiate for it, or seek girls through other means. For about the same price you could have had a FB girl, with bolt on, passionate kisses, BBBJ and COB, after every position you can think of. And if you treated her right, if you're ready to go again, chances are she'll be ready too.

You're paying for a set period of time. Her job is to satisfy you during that time. If she had taken her time, done everything correctly, even getting the band to play "Maneater" while she gave the BBBJ, you would be angry because your time was done before you could bust.

In many casas, with many girls, you're going to get mechanical service. It's a fast food franchise and the goal is to cycle through as many customers as quickly as possible. You can improve your chances somewhat by going to the casa and making a choice there. At least you can get a brief preview of the girl's attitude.

You can also almost guarantee good service by being a frequent customer at the casa and befriending the boss. I've been lucky enough to benefit from that once, when visiting a casa with a friend. He introduced me, told mamasan that I should get the same service as him. Mamasan then told the girl how she would treat me. No complaints, although I wasn't really happy with the Billy Joel cover band. Said that "Only the Good Die Young" wasn't in their act.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2697293]Damn, should have known better because this chick is located in that Punta De piedea building, in the same apartment I have seen other mechancial girls.

I was in the mood for a girl with bolt ONS so I took a dive. Mamasan sees me in, I go to the room and wait for her. She has the typcial suregery to expecet, the paisa nose even with the uneven nostrils you see as it gets close.

I started off, it looked good she grinds and dances into my cock and gets me hard but then both of her phones are rining and then the music playing on the other one stops and a fucking commercial plays!

Jesus christ! Just find a continunous mix and don't break the vibe or pay for spotifiy premium! I swear these chicks that can withstand ads in all there music are the same ones that have the fire alarm chiping because they don't change the battery and they ignore it.

Anyway on the action or lack there off, I try to kiss and she does the side swipe and kisses on the neck and ears and tries to kiss on my nipples. I reallyl dislike when they say they kiss in there ads and give a peck like they are kissing some friend in public. Give me a break!

I paid an addtional 50 mil for oral naturale (with the exchance rate its less then the cost of a 2 pieace & a biscuit back home).

This girl grabs the wet nap and wipes down my dick more times then actually sucking, like wtf. I think I got 24.5 seconds of actual sucking and it was mediocre at best. She rushes to put on the rubber and climbs on top with the intention of making me cum as fast as possible.

FUCK YOU! I'm not going to let you get away with that. I hold out and get past the initinal one pump chump phase and on to other positions. She tries to get me in doggy and do it again, this pisses me off. I turn her missionary so I can choke her a bit and let her know I am now in angry fuck mode. I try to kiss again and she does it a little but I am like fuck it. I get on my back and have her give me an old fashion. She stragle herself over me so I can play with her pussy while she jerks me off, We agree I cum on her tits and what does she do??

The ***** is a cum dodger! She makes it so I cum all over myself and the bed. Ugh, I just wanted to leave after that. I clean up lay on my stomach and she gives a half ass massage while checking her whatsapp for the next vitcm.

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170 mil + 50 Mil oral natural.[/QUOTE]This [URL]photosprepago.com[/URL] website what site does this compare to in the states? I like the fact that you can see some pics of the girls and if the price is right this is great. Is this more of a catalog of girls that do incalls in the city?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2697181]It is a clients list, not a friends list. Are you there to fuck or to make friends?[/QUOTE]LOL true thanks for knocking some sense in to me haha For a min I almost got sucked in to Captain save a ho mode haha.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2697340]This [URL]photosprepago.com[/URL] website what site does this compare to in the states? I like the fact that you can see some pics of the girls and if the price is right this is great. Is this more of a catalog of girls that do incalls in the city?[/QUOTE]It's along the lines of what Backpage used to be. It's a site where women can advertise their services. There are other similar sites.

Like anything, some are ads by agencies, some are outdated ads, some are misrepresented, some are probably scams.

I don't know if it's still the case, but my first trip to Bogota you could find similar ads in the want ads of the newspaper.

Hi Guys,

You can see my other reports were I prefer to give full information (See my latest report on Lisbon, Rio, Kiev and more, also from Bogota) - I am planning a flight to Colombia and need some help regarding Medellin.

1. Are the strip clubs operate like in Bogota? - So I can book a girl that I like to take to my hotel for the night? - what are the prices?

2. Which clubs are recommended?

3. Which areas / place is the best to take a high quality girl friendly hotel?

4. Which do you recommend more, Medellin or Bogota if I have 5 days to spend?

5. Any reliable good high quality escorts? - my previous experience with escorts in Bogota was not so good, but the girls in the club were amazing. How is it in Medellin?

Thank you in advance for the answers. BTW, I speak quite good Spanish.

Best wishes,

Aviv.

[QUOTE=Avivis;2697379]Hi Guys,

You can see my other reports were I prefer to give full information (See my latest report on Lisbon, Rio, Kiev and more, also from Bogota) - I am planning a flight to Colombia and need some help regarding Medellin.

1. Are the strip clubs operate like in Bogota? - So I can book a girl that I like to take to my hotel for the night? - what are the prices?

2. Which clubs are recommended?

3. Which areas / place is the best to take a high quality girl friendly hotel?

4. Which do you recommend more, Medellin or Bogota if I have 5 days to spend?

5. Any reliable good high quality escorts? - my previous experience with escorts in Bogota was not so good, but the girls in the club were amazing. How is it in Medellin?

Thank you in advance for the answers. BTW, I speak quite good Spanish.

Best wishes,

Aviv.[/QUOTE]1) yea, they vary anywhere from 60 k-300 k depending on the area. And there will be a take home fee.

2) can't go wrong with barra ejecutiva, nueva avenida, and conejitas, all next to each other next to botero. I'm a street rat, for the high end places somebody else can help.

3) in centro, just go to hotel nutibarra. Elsewhere, idk.

4) medellin without a doubt.

5) go on photoprepagos website and look at girls that have reviews.

You speak good spanish, you'll love medellin.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2697180]Guys what are your thoughts on some of the facebook profiles who have only guys as friends no chicas. Does that seem suspect to you? Since setting up my facebook game in Colombia I realize that I am coming across a few profiles who I have added or they have added me and their friends list is just straight up dudes. Seems like no bueno to me.[/QUOTE]Many working girls have 2 or 3 profiles. A personal one and then one with their 'working' name and clients. That way they can keep the two separate and also delete the 'working' profile if needed without much trouble. It's very common.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2697101]How about we settle it this way. Chicago85 list your girls, I will pick from the list. GeneHickman can guarantee and arrange the meet for 200 mil or lower. I will pay for the girl to prove the point.[/QUOTE]Clarification. I'll send the names to you Nounce.

'I'm game. I'll DM you with the FB names of 3 of my regulars that I typically pay 240/250 k for BBBJ and covered sex (that's all in, no taxi). They're all 20-25, bustier Paisas, no kids. You can judge their attractiveness. I know one is on vacation in Europe right now as she's sent me pics, but the other two should be around.

It will be interesting to see if 200 k all in or even 200 k + taxi is possible with them'.