Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2482338]I am amazed at how many of the SBs have horrible debts and poor attitudes to money. Having a good body they get used to horny guys giving them easy money but eventually their body declines and us horny guys move onto the new younger ones.

Their problems can often not be solved with cash, if they are still incurring new debts and more bad fiance choices.

It's good to see that you can see the initial fee as being the 'entry' price.[/QUOTE]On the one hand, I agree that it is truly amazing. I had an arrangement with one gal for 3 k per month. Every time I gave it to her, she would go clothes shopping. This was during a time when she was unemployed. I just couldn't believe it. But on the other hand, it is their poor money management skills that partially explains why they are on SA.

And yeah, as they age, horny guys move onto younger ones, but these gals just start dating older guys. A 20 year old won't date a 60 year old, but a 40 year old will. So, while we rotate into younger gals, they just rotate into older guys.

Hahaha. So just as I am setting up Thursday with Jessica, who reappears but Layla? Yep she's back. So now who knows who I am seeing next!

Meanwhile I get a text from All time favorite Krystal that she's moved to NYC. About 5 hours drive.

Peaks and valleys baby. Feeling a peak!

PS I have to say it is deeply satisfying that Krystal and I are still connected. She’s moved twice. Changed phones. Broken a phone. And here she is. The goddess who when I apologized for taking so long to finish says “You can fuck me all night if u want!” And then sleeps over. OMG she’s the best. I simply must see her.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2482364]Hahaha. So just as I am setting up Thursday with Jessica, who reappears but Layla? Yep she's back. So now who knows who I am seeing next!

Meanwhile I get a text from All time favorite Krystal that she's moved to NYC. About 5 hours drive.

Peaks and valleys baby. Feeling a peak!

PS I have to say it is deeply satisfying that Krystal and I are still connected. Shes moved twice. Changed phones. Broken a phone. And here she is. The goddess who when I apologized for taking so long to finish says You can fuck me all night if u want! And then sleeps over. OMG shes the best. I simply must see her.[/QUOTE]Yes, those are the words we all want to hear. Most of the girls I have met in the states, stay 2-4 hours, one session, but in Mexico and Russia, much for likely for them to stay the night or multiple sessions. A couple of the girls I am meeting in MTY there is no issues, all night long or multiple sessions. When I negotiate with girls now I stay 2 sessions. I am debating to start back up on SA in Austin and San Antonio, but just not sure, I am sure it will be a big let down from Mexico. If I do I will insist on 2 sessions, or I will pass, save my money for MTY.

Great report as always, I just want to say I have learned a lot from you and others. Not sure about you guys CIA Stuff, but I do not need to hide my identity. I am careful, but not to the level you guys take it too, but never less very good information.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2482359] but a 40 year old will. So, while we rotate into younger gals, they just rotate into older guys.[/QUOTE]That really is so true. Here in Brisbane, 20 year age gap is really the maximum that the public will toerlate. IE 60 year old walking around with pretty 40 year olds. When I'm in Philippines it seems that 60 -20 is acceptable. I really miss my trips to Asia.

[QUOTE=BrizLad;2482407]That really is so true. Here in Brisbane, 20 year age gap is really the maximum that the public will toerlate. IE 60 year old walking around with pretty 40 year olds. When I'm in Philippines it seems that 60 -20 is acceptable. I really miss my trips to Asia.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Thailand is similar to the Philippines in this regard of course. I always thought I'd retire to Thailand and enjoy the 20 year-olds when I got to my 60's or 70's. It's still a possibility, but I am discovering that Chinese girls also do not discriminate against older men. If you ask a Chinese girl if she prefers a 35 year old rich guy or a 55 year old rich guy, she will say she's indifferent. You might think I am exaggerating, but it really is true.

We met today. She gave me a dirty look. I apologized. She then said get ready for a slap to the face, but she just tapped me gently. I again said sorry, and I gave her my best puppy dog eyes, and she said let's never talk about this again. Then, we proceeded to spend the next 3 hours together. Just walking around, holding hands, kissing, chatting, and finally lunch. It didn't feel awkward at all.

We didn't discuss any arrangement today, because I thought it was too soon to bring it up. My only damage today was the price of a meal and my time. But I had a great time. She makes me laugh. Plus, she's just really hot. When I saw her today, it seemed like every guy around was looking at her. Well, in her skin tight jeans and skin tight shirt, you'd have to be gay not to stare at her, LOL.

But now, I'm pretty horny, so I might have to spend the afternoon with a high end pro.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2482081]The next day, she started her new job. Guess where? At a HJ MP. No lie. When she told me, it floored me. She then explained that she can make 3 x more money working at a HJ MP than at a regular minimum wage job. So, for two days, we had some back and forth. She was swearing that even though she'd be seeing men all day at her new job, that her heart really belonged to me and so I should trust her. Yeah right. So, I told her that we should just be friends.

Then suddenly, two days later, she quit her job. She said it was a disgusting job. No duh. Anyway, I went to see her, and when I saw her, my heart melted and we were all over each other. Later that night, she texted me that she's devoted to me and to our love, and to our future together. WTF?! I didn't know what to say. So, I just said, me too.

The next day, I decided that I needed to steer this ship into the right direction, and just have an arrangement, like what I always wanted. So, I came up with a two-part plan and acted on it.

Here's the first part.

I told her that I was already married and with a family. I knew this would cause a huge fucking firestorm, but I needed her to understand that I only wanted an arrangement. Anyway, sure enough, she was furious as hell, and I had to deal with her rage and wrath for two days. She eventually calmed down, and then she said she was going to delete my WeChat and that she was going to resume her job at the HJ MP. She said something like she now realizes that all men are disgusting, and so she might as well make a living off of it, and she also said something like those customers are disgusting, but I'm more disgusting because I'm a liar.

Here's the second part.

We now both know that we are both "bad" people. She is willing to give HJs for a living, and I am a married man but still mongers. We now know this about each other. (And hell, let's not forget that we had sex when we barely knew each other, in exchange for my paying her rent, so it's not like she was an angel ever. I'm even thinking that she might be a former pro, or at least a former HJ MP gal.) So, anyway, given that we now know that we are both "bad" people, I asked her to reconsider my initial proposal for an arrangement. She then sent me a picture of her middle finger, LOL.

But then, I tried to appeal to her sense of logic. I told her that she needs money, I need sex, and we actually like each other. (And as an aside, we both knew that we were never going to get married anyway. I'm almost twice her age, and I found out that she has a kid. And, she's from some remote rural part of China. In addition, I'm an American and my Chinese is very, very poor, and she can barely count to 5 in English. So, we both know we were never going to get married anyway.) Anyway, I think I started making some sense to her. She hasn't deleted my WeChat yet, and she reads my texts to her, and she replies, mostly with an insult, but sometimes with a question. And finally, she agreed to meet me one more time. She said if she doesn't feel anything for me when we meet, then we are done. I said okay.

So, that's where I am now. I am pondering what to do. Of course, I will meet her. But then what? Let's say we see each other and all is forgiven and we get back together. Then what? I am thinking about making the arrangement more explicit. Specifying the exact minimum number of times we must meet for sex. Otherwise, I feel like I'm going to waste both time and money. I do like her though. So, even though I know that I maybe should just cut bait and find another, I can honestly say that she will be very hard to replace. She has a great personality, she's caring, she's funny, she's sweet, she really likes me, and she has a smoking hot body.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2482439]We met today. She gave me a dirty look. I apologized. She then said get ready for a slap to the face, but she just tapped me gently. I again said sorry, and I gave her my best puppy dog eyes, and she said let's never talk about this again. Then, we proceeded to spend the next 3 hours together. Just walking around, holding hands, kissing, chatting, and finally lunch. It didn't feel awkward at all.

We didn't discuss any arrangement today, because I thought it was too soon to bring it up. My only damage today was the price of a meal and my time. But I had a great time. She makes me laugh. Plus, she's just really hot. When I saw her today, it seemed like every guy around was looking at her. Well, in her skin tight jeans and skin tight shirt, you'd have to be gay not to stare at her, LOL.

But now, I'm pretty horny, so I might have to spend the afternoon with a high end pro.[/QUOTE]Kudos MW. Treat her like a girlfriend and she'll act like a girlfriend. She needs this part of the relationship. And as you are seeing, non-bedroom time can be fun when you are with a girl who:

1. Genuinely likes you.

2. Is the hottest girl in the room.

My club time with Thifany and just kicking around London with this doll on my arm were truly highlights. You can get sex anywhere. You can't find affection anywhere - it's the most difficult to acquire - you cant just buy it outright. Enjoy it.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2482474]Kudos MW. Treat her like a girlfriend and she'll act like a girlfriend. She needs this part of the relationship. And as you are seeing, non-bedroom time can be fun when you are with a girl who:

1. Genuinely likes you.

2. Is the hottest girl in the room.

My club time with Thifany and just kicking around London with this doll on my arm were truly highlights. You can get sex anywhere. You can't find affection anywhere - it's the most difficult to acquire - you cant just buy it outright. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I do like the affection a lot. It's very satisfying. I might fall in love with her. It's not lust. She's just so warm and loving. She kept feeding me at lunch today, like we're a real couple.

FYI, I texted the receptionist today, and she still hasn't found a new job yet, and so I'll probably bareback her tomorrow. I'm probably the only guy that's she's ever prostituted herself to. On a certain level, she hates both me and herself.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2482474] You can get sex anywhere. You can't find affection anywhere - it's the most difficult to acquire - you cant just buy it outright. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]But isn't it fake affection that will end as soon as the money stops. The right words should be," You can get sex anywhere. You can't find an act of fake affection (like a movie) anywhere". Gold Digger is a real word.

Its important not to delude ourselves. Women are experienced at this fake affection stuff. That's how many of them find husbands to take care of them.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2482083]Dood, you should always make sure they shower just before doing the deed. But the butt odor may be unavoidable. When I'm doing doggy, I always like to spread their ass cheeks so that I can get a full view, but whenever I do that, a waft of poop odor emanates. Oh well.[/QUOTE]Steve9696, as a regular on the Brazil boards you must share my Brazil experience. Those Brazilian girls are so used to giving up anal that they have their asses washed out thoroughly before a sexual encounter. LOL.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2482488]But isn't it fake affection that will end as soon as the money stops. The right words should be," You can get sex anywhere. You can't find an act of fake affection (like a movie) anywhere".
Its important not to delude ourselves.[/QUOTE]With American women, the minute you stop paying, the pussy stops. Here in Mexico, I was with a Mexican woman two nights ago. We went it all night long, and she didn't ask for a dime. That was the one in the black bathing suit.

Last night, I was with the one in the bikini. She had not been good about texting or calling, and I kind of laid down the law with her. Do you want a pay per meet deal I asked or a novia / GF / SB type relationship? She wanted the latter. I paid her very little last night, but she was not expecting it. She is a Vennie and she really wants me to send money to her parents more than anything. She has modeled all over the world, and she was in a 7 year relationship she just got out of. You would think she was whoring around but when I mentioned her having a boyfriend, and that I did not care if she did, she went off on me. She told me that she was not like that. Hell, I have told both of them I am seeing other people, and they are both cool with it.

Thing is Sonic, you are like I was. You have a john mindset. Women do not like to think of themselves as working girls and get paid for it. When I go abroad, I offer nothing and see how it goes. If they bring up money, then I will offer a price. Honestly, I think the women like a man of means who can help them if they need it more than wanting to give them a wage.

Two of my Colombian chicas hit me up last week. One wanted an air fryer, and she promised, "I will cook you very good healthy things with it. ", and I sent her $50. The other told me that not being able to go to the gym was making her fat, and she depressingly showed me a small roll. She wanted a treadmill, found a good deal, and I gave her $200 for that. Is that paying for it? Maybe, but I am going to get some good food and a hotter chick because of it. The last few times I saw both of them, I did not end the date with cash.

How often will the pussy dry up when you start paying? In the USA, it is a done deal, you will be cut off, but try not paying abroad and see what happens, you might be surprised.

I get guys asking me all the time, "How much for her? And I always, "how about you start by not offering anything and see how it goes?" I do not like to feel like I am paying for it, and it may surprise you but the women do not either.

The pics. Shoot, it is not letting me load Chica#2.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2482488]But isn't it fake affection that will end as soon as the money stops. The right words should be," You can get sex anywhere. You can't find an act of fake affection (like a movie) anywhere". Gold Digger is a real word.

Its important not to delude ourselves. Women are experienced at this fake affection stuff. That's how many of them find husbands to take care of them.[/QUOTE]In my many years in this hobby my moto has always been: "If you fall in love on your trips, your falling in love by yourself. " Having met probably hundreds of women over my career, I will tell you, this has been very difficult to stick to more than once. Fell in love with a Carioca years ago, drop dead natural beauty resembled Jessica Alba, we went to Buzios for a few days and asked her to move in with me and she said yes. Lucky for me she saw a Garota leaving my apartment a few days later and as most of you know what a pissed off Brasilera is like. Romance over! The other was in Costa Rica from Perez Zeladon, again I was in love by myself. Finally I met a Beautiful Colombiana. A casacita, non drinker, no makeup, no fume, totally natural, brilliant student in the Nat'l University been together for over 3 years now. But here's the difference, she has never been a prepago, I think an important distinction if you looking for love. How you meet a woman has an enormous impact on the future of the relationship. Good luck, and guard your heart brothers.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2482506]. Hell, I have told both of them I am seeing other people, and they are both cool with it.[/QUOTE]In my experience, they are cool with it because they too are seeing other people. They just prefer not to tell you.

[QUOTE=SonicBoom1;2482488]But isn't it fake affection that will end as soon as the money stops. The right words should be," You can get sex anywhere. You can't find an act of fake affection (like a movie) anywhere". Gold Digger is a real word.

Its important not to delude ourselves. Women are experienced at this fake affection stuff. That's how many of them find husbands to take care of them.[/QUOTE]For me, the way scarier thing would be if she said I didn't have to pay her. Then I'm totally screwed because I definitely do not want a real relationship. So, I don't mind if she's giving me the affection for money. It's why I am seeking an arrangement, after all. We can go to Match for a relationship, and we can go to other websites for pros. SA and arrangements are something in-between.