Rio de Janeiro Reports

I visited the former Nova massagem now Casa 18 last week. I was there early as per tips from this forum. I must have been the first client of the day. Lots of confusion since I don't understand portuguese and the mamasan didn't understand english. But she kept asking for which girl I wanted. But since I hadn't been introduced to any I couldn't give her an answer.

After a few minutes she realized I hadn't looked in their website so she send them in to my room one by one. But no-one came in. Then the old maasam came back so I could still not make my descision. She finally realized that she send the girls to the wrong room (by now there was another customer there) There were around 10 girls to choose from. I always kind of make my descison based on how hard their handshake is along with first impression og looks / attitude. So I choose Juliana. So after 10 minutes a girl comes in. But NOT the one I choose. (I guess the other client choose the same girl as me and I was the unlucky one). Anyway I choose to bang this girl, which actually had the worst handshake of all the girls. Turned out she was pretty good. 90 R for 1 hour. Like reported before facilities here are very good. The action was as well. What I would rate 8/10. Best place I visited for low-budget action. I'm still a Therma 4x4 guys. I never had a bad experience here. Toplevel girls and their workrate likewise.

BTW I was looking for working girls on the beach and had heard that they would be laying outside Othon Palace Hotel between posto 4-5. I have heard that there might be some pros beaching around posto 1 directly outside Prcs Isabel Ave. At 4x4 I heard that someone had picked up a pro in Ipanema posto 10. But neither place I saw any of this.

Anyone have an update regarding beach-action. Or did that die along with Help?

That would be casa 19, out by 1 number. [url]http://novamassagem.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1242544]That would be casa 19, out by 1 number.

[url]http://novamassagem.com/[/url][/QUOTE]Yeah sorry Casa 19 ofcourse. A typo.

Regarding the beach pickup. Would that be later in the day. Say after 2 o clock or something?

I didn't see any close to Posto 1-2?

However I saw one or two during daytime of the Balcony girls hanging out in the Kiosks directly across Balcony in front of the beach.

[QUOTE=Iigorvich; 1242413]BTW I was looking for working girls on the beach and had heard that they would be laying outside Othon Palace Hotel between posto 4-5. I have heard that there might be some pros beaching around posto 1 directly outside Prcs Isabel Ave. At 4x4 I heard that someone had picked up a pro in Ipanema posto 10. But neither place I saw any of this.

Anyone have an update regarding beach-action. Or did that die along with Help?[/QUOTE]Spent most of my Beach time in front of Rio Orthon Hotel close to the old Help and did not see any GDP in the short time. Did get some looks probably because I was the only Gingo in the Area.

Even the guy renting chairs on the Beach just told me about how they had 150 girls at Terma 502 or Terma 65 in Centro.

Looked to be mostly Brazilian Tourist on my visit to Samba School, Crist, Beach etc.

[QUOTE=GFE Finder; 1242190]Are you referring to this article?

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/03/world/europe/03berlin.html[/url]

As the author mentions, more girls did come but not as many men as expected visited. Hence, business did not spike as anticipated.

In any event, it is silly to worry about negative exposure from the termas, since, if the World Cup is an indicator, large amounts of men won't descend on them. Brothel-going is generally a solitary, not a communal activity and requires disappearing from the group for an hour or more. Your (uninformed) travel group almost certainly [i]will[/i] Ask questions if you disappear for long periods of time, so that's why (according to the author) you didn't see a corresponding spike in attendance and business at the FKKs.

On the other hand, in theory one can be in and out the R$1 / min. Places in less than a half an hour. Maybe they'll see a spike from the World Cup and the Olympics?[/QUOTE]OK, so my memory faded a bit after 5-1/2 years. Yes, that is the same article I read; I remember reading it in the AA lounge in MIA while I was waiting for a flight to SA. After reading the article I resolved to visit FKK Artemis, which I did a few years later-marvelous place that I'd recommend to anyone. But my essential point wasn't wrong, I. E, the FKKs did get some business because of the World Cup, just not as much as expected. And I think we are in agreement on my central point, that it is stupid for the authorities to worry about negative exposure from the termas; if anything, they will help increase tourism.

However, I can't agree that it would be a problem to disappear from a travel group to go mongering. I have been in many tour groups in many parts of the world, and I always make time for mongering; the aforementioned visit to Artemis is a good example. I visited there twice when I was on a tour of Germany and the Baltic states, and also had time to monger in Lithuania and Estonia. Most tours offer considerable free time, and that is when to go, or you can even skip some of the more boring tour actvities, which I usually do anyway. And I disappear for many hours or half a day, not just for one hour. Sure, somebody might ask what you did, and I tell them I went to a jazz club or an opera or some other bullshit story. Believe me, that is a non-problem.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1242255]For isntance, FKK in Germany are fully legal, clinicas in Brazil are tolerated, as long as they behave. Brothels are legal in Gemany, rated as 'hotellerie', Can we say the same of Brazil?[/QUOTE]I thought brothels, i.e., Termas, were legal in Brazil. Am I mistaken? Not so sure about the prives.

There are still girls in front of Rio Othon but not like it used to be. If you are not sure if a girl is working, you can ask one of the beach guys. He can also introduce you. You will, in some way, pay for this if you take the girl. Tip for him or the girl will charge you more and kick it back.

[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1242595]I thought brothels, i.e., Termas, were legal in Brazil. Am I mistaken? Not so sure about the prives.[/QUOTE]I ask this myself too. Something is being tolerated (with brown envelopes or not, and something is really legal. I feel they are not in the full sense, otherwise they would not impose a dress code. I hope somebody puts some light with real info.

Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. Here is where the brothels come into play. Do they make money from exploiting women or do the women make a lot of money from working in a controlled and safe environment?

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years, hence they source of the brown envelope from time to time because depending on who you ask or whose point of view, both camps, for and against prostitution are right. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1242608]I ask this myself too. Something is being tolerated (with brown envelopes or not, and something is really legal. I feel they are not in the full sense, otherwise they would not impose a dress code. I hope somebody puts some light with real info.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1; 1242614]Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. Here is where the brothels come into play. Do they make money from exploiting women or do the women make a lot of money from working in a controlled and safe environment?

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years, hence they source of the brown envelope from time to time because depending on who you ask or whose point of view, both camps, for and against prostitution are right. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.[/QUOTE]Thanks.

That is also probbaly why when you go to a clinica you pay for the room and the mere massage, a nd anyting else (specials) are cash to the girl.

I used to pay all services to the clinica in SP long time ago, then, since some 6-7 years it all changed. Probably to avoid troubles with LE.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1; 1242614]Prostitution in Brazil is legal; however, pimping and exploiting women in any way, shape of fashion or making money from women in a sexual environment is not. .

Brazilian courts have been battling this grey area for years. I hope they create a law to clarify this controversial issue.[/QUOTE]Oh no, no, no. The system works just fine as it is. It's simple, Prostitution is legal, exloitation is not. That should be clear to anyone. You may get what you wish for. Please no more laws, especially in Brasil.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1226806]Ok, so it is that time of the year ago. Prices keep going up, addresses change and some places simply fade away. So in January I believe an update is due!

If anyone has any suggestions or has picked up any mistakes in the previous report please PM (Private message) me.[/QUOTE]Can you tell me which city is the best to party and pick up women. Sao paulo or Rio? Thank you. I have never been to Brazil.

Thanks

In my humble opinion, if this is legal, then why every 3 or 4 years are they shutting the brothels for? Whay are they hassling the casas for? Why the show of force by the "Prefeitura", giving customers a heart attack, giving a serious hassle to the managers and owners of these establishments, not to mention the girls if things are so cristal clear and transparent? Why do they spend so much time taking customers names, checking I'd's, hassling everyone who happen to be there on the date and time of their search and seizures?

Yes, I agree, I could care less when it happens when I'm not there, but if I'm there and chances are I will be in the middle of banging a favorite, to have authorities just interrupt my good time in the name of harrassment, it is inconceivably wrong and abusive. I pesonally hate the BS, why the hypocrisy of it all, then? Yes it is legal until they (Police, mayor, council member, secretary, whoever) needs a brown envelope?

Once again, stating how I feel about it and IMHO again, they should make the law clear: Brothels, casas, massage places are legal and men should be able to go there, grab some bunda, have relations with the girls without getting harrased by the police. Period. It is my pipe dream, but I know it will NEVER be clear because of the amounts of brown bag money being distributed. It is just the way it is going to be for the foreseable future.

[QUOTE=Poucolouco;1242638]Oh no, no, no. The system works just fine as it is. It's simple, Prostitution is legal, exloitation is not. That should be clear to anyone. You may get what you wish for. Please no more laws, especially in Brasil.[/QUOTE]

Brazil doesn't have a truly functioning legal system. It is very inefficient and corrupt. The rule of law is never truly followed, it depends as much on politics as to who is right and wrong. So, the Termas operate in a gray area, they are not perfectly legal, a politician can get them shut down if he or she wishes. So in order for them to stay open, they pay certain high ranking people in the Police and Government a monthly payment to make sure no one interferes. When there are struggles within the Police or Government over who gets the bribe, a Terma can get shut down, when the power struggle is resolved, they reopen the Terma and the winner of the power struggle gets to receive the monthly bribe.

This kind of situation occurs in everyday life. Whether you are right or wrong doesn't really matter in a Brazilian court, it is more a fact of who you are up against and how much influence they have, as to who will get the outcome they desire.

[QUOTE=Voyajer1; 1242787]In my humble opinion, if this is legal, then why every 3 or 4 years are they shutting the brothels for? Whay are they hassling the casas for? Why the show of force by the "Prefeitura", giving customers a heart attack, giving a serious hassle to the managers and owners of these establishments, not to mention the girls if things are so cristal clear and transparent? Why do they spend so much time taking customers names, checking I'd's, hassling everyone who happen to be there on the date and time of their search and seizures?[/QUOTE]It is much better when the law is clear.

Unfortunately most of the time when it is clear it is forbidden like in Sweden and in Norway, where they also fine the clients. In Norway they can even take to Justice a person who had sex for money in any other country!

In France prostitution is legal and pimping is not, same as Brazil. BUT you WILL be in very deep trouble if you help paid sex by any mean. Renting an apartment to a prostitute sends you to jail for several years. If your are caught giving a lift with your car for free to a prostitute to go to a customer, they will first keep you 3 days in jail and then send you the judge. They recently closed the swing club Les Chandelles where each customer has to be with a woman to enter, because some of those women were prostitutes. When the law is ambivalent, the government can choose the way it uses it. It may vary from time to time to more or to less restrictions, but the long term tendency is to more restrictions. In France, with the same law as in Brazil, there are no termas, no FKK, no privês, only internet on a very low scale, some street girls and some BMCs (vans along roads, referring to the Army's Bordel Mobile de Campagne a long time ago) , that the government tolerates. For how long?

The comparison with France shows another point : up to 1980-1985, the young prostitutes on Saint Denis Street in the center of Paris were French. Now they are not young anymore and the young ones that are on the periphery of Paris are not French, they are from Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Africa or China, that means from poor countries. When the level of education and wealth reaches a certain point, the young girls stay away from prostitution.

It, it is changing in Brazil, and not for the good of mongering.

Let us only hope that it will change gradually and as slow as possible, because the way it is, I am having a gooooooood time in Brazil.

[quote=voyajer1;1242787]in my humble opinion, if this is legal, then why every 3 or 4 years are they shutting the brothels for? whay are they hassling the casas for? why the show of force by the "prefeitura", giving customers a heart attack, giving a serious hassle to the managers and owners of these establishments, not to mention the girls if things are so cristal clear and transparent? why do they spend so much time taking customers names, checking i'd's, hassling everyone who happen to be there on the date and time of their search and seizures?[/quote]the women who work in these places are independent contractors, not employees. through various arrangements the girls pay for use of the facilities. all cash is handled by the establishment for security purposes. with this business program, there is no exploitation by the establishment and it operates within the law. the occasional raids are usually inspections for municipal violations, hygiene, utility connections, safety violations, etc. during the raid police also check for **** violations and document all persons on site. if violations are found, the establishment corrects the deficiency, pays a fine, and reopens within a few days. if exploitation is discovered, someone goes to jail.

why not change the law? when a law is introduced for amendment, the law is open to the entire house of representatives to make additional amendments. special interests tinker with the language to suit their personal political beliefs. representatives who are uninterested don't even read what is proposed. while a deficiency may be fixed in the law, unwanted constraints could also be inserted into the amended law. extreme-right legislators like jair bolsonaro would find this a perfect opportunity to further their agendas. for example bolsonaro, this year proposed a law prohibiting brasilian women from appearing nude in magazines and on the internet. today you may be inconvenienced if an establishment is raided for municipal business violations. however, if the law is changed too far, the business could become an illegal establishment and be forced to close.