Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=Sovereign; 1144387]'* My family and closest friends are absolutely mortified that I.

Go to the DR for that purpose, but as a single man, I make my own.

Decisions. * I see no need to hide what I do from anyone, as the only one.

That has to live with my decisions is me. *

* I am Black and a monger.

That happens to hold a Ph. D, makes a six figure salary, owns my own home.

And has 2 cars (both paid for). . . [/QUOTE]Well, fine, good for you, but many in many fields where people with doctorates are employed, letting it be known publicly that you are a monger would be professional suicide. For example in education, medicine, law, public administration. In general I would say that people in the higher echelons of society would be LESS likely to visit Sosua because they have more to lose through public exposure.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1144400]Well, fine, good for you, but many in many fields where people with doctorates are employed, letting it be known publicly that you are a monger would be professional suicide. For example in education, medicine, law, public administration. In general I would say that people in the higher echelons of society would be LESS likely to visit Sosua because they have more to lose through public exposure.[/QUOTE]I didn't share because I want a pat on the back for a job well done. I was trying to point out the inappropriate generalizations that you were making about Black people and the Black men that go to the DR. There may be some 'thugs' that go to the DR, but there are also successful folks that go to have fun too. Let's just be careful of how we generalize about others, that's all I'm saying.

[QUOTE=Sovereign;1144407]I didn't share because I want a pat on the back for a job well done. I was trying to point out the inappropriate generalizations that you were making about Black people and the Black men that go to the DR. There may be some 'thugs' that go to the DR, but there are also successful folks that go to have fun too. Let's just be careful of how we generalize about others, that's all I'm saying.[/QUOTE]If you read my earlier post carefully, you will see that I said that by far the majority of AA mongers that you will meet in Sosua are middle class with respectable home lives, decent jobs, etc. I said nothing about "thugs" whatsoever. You are upbraiding me for not claiming that many of the AA mongers are upper echelon people like you, but I'm still not really convinced it is so.

The question I was interested in is why there are so many, relatively speaking, AA mongers in Sosua considering that AA men are a minority in the US. Another way to frame the hypothesis, which I am sure that you as a Ph. D. Will appreciate, is that there are relatively few Caucasian American mongers in Sosua? Why are they probably outnumbered by Germans? There must be some cultural or economic factor that discourages them.

We could examine the hypothesis that they prefer to visit other places in the DR (or other countries) , and I am sure they do, but not in large numbers. Certainly when I am on the plane, whether flying to and from Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, I don't see many single Caucasian men. Most of the passengers are Dominicans.

Another hypothesis might be that many Caucasian American men don't find Dominican women sexually attractive, but I find this highly improbable. Highly.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1144421]If you read my earlier post carefully, you will see that I said that by far the majority of AA mongers that you will meet in Sosua are middle class with respectable home lives, decent jobs, etc. I said nothing about "thugs" whatsoever. You are upbraiding me for not claiming that many of the AA mongers are upper echelon people like you, but I'm still not really convinced it is so.

The question I was interested in is why there are so many, relatively speaking, AA mongers in Sosua considering that AA men are a minority in the US. Another way to frame the hypothesis, which I am sure that you as a Ph. D. Will appreciate, is that there are relatively few Caucasian American mongers in Sosua? Why are they probably outnumbered by Germans? There must be some cultural or economic factor that discourages them.

We could examine the hypothesis that they prefer to visit other places in the DR (or other countries) , and I am sure they do, but not in large numbers. Certainly when I am on the plane, whether flying to and from Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, I don't see many single Caucasian men. Most of the passengers are Dominicans.

Another hypothesis might be that many Caucasian American men don't find Dominican women sexually attractive, but I find this highly improbable. Highly.[/QUOTE]LMAO. Frannie you have braids? Please don't come unbraided. You don't have a huge rope chain with pimp medallion also? LMAO. About now this forum could use some humor.

I don't think you are a racist, just very educated and opinonated. But you have to be smart enough not to wade into racial topics unless you want to be questioned.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1144334]5. To be a monger and travel to Sosua requires that you have a passport and a reasonable amount of money. This rules out convicted felons and the poor and makes mongering basically a middle class pursuit. While you may see guys in Sosua at the weekend wearing basketball shirts, baseball caps on backwards, and earings, chances are that they are respectable citizens-corporate employees or civil servants-in their day jobs, or that they have some kind of responsible uniformed job-cop, firefighter, prison guard and that they are playing the part of "hip-hopper" as a kind of fantasy fulfillment.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Sovereign; 1144387]To Frannie.

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Interesting attempt to explain why so many Blacks go to DR, but I have.

Comments:

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Transportation- this assumption is flawed because anyone willing to deal.

With a layover in Miami or Atlanta can get to the DR, thus all Blacks that.

You see in the DR aren't from NY (I live in Maryland and go frequently).

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Tolerance of paying for sex: Your assumption that the Black Community is.

'more tolerant of paying for sex' is ignorant and borderline racist as is.

The assumption that military Blacks 'developed a taste for paying for sex.

Over seas. '* My family and closest friends are absolutely mortified that I.

Go to the DR for that purpose, but as a single man, I make my own.

Decisions. * I see no need to hide what I do from anyone, as the only one.

That has to live with my decisions is me. * To cast such malicious.

Assumptions about a whole group of people (e. G. That the Black Community as.

A whole is fine with prostitution) is not only offensive, but absolutely.

Idiotic. * For the record, research has shown that Blacks are among the most.

Spiritual races on the planet, and that spirituality does not embrace.

Prostitution.

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Hip-hoppers- I do agree that mongering is a middle class activity, and that.

Your assertion that you can't assume anything about a Black that you see in.

Sosua who is wearing baseball caps, athletic jerseys and the like is.

Correct. * However, its interesting (in a distressing sort of way) that the.

Best you would assume for a Black Man in the DR is that he is a 'corporate.

Employee or civil servant in their day jobs or that they are some kind of.

Responsible job-cop, firefighter, prison guard, and playing the part of hip-

Hopper as a kind of fantasy fulfillment. '* Unless you are a sociologist.

That studies Black Men, I'the suggest that you leave the generalizations to.

Social scientists because you sound like a bigot. * I am Black and a monger.

That happens to hold a Ph. D, makes a six figure salary, owns my own home.

And has 2 cars (both paid for) and when I go to the DR I am on vacation.

Thus I wear baggy pants, my ear ring, my hat on backwards, etc. * All of.

That is because I am relaxing. * Also, I am not playing the role of a hip-

Hopper, that is part of my culture and I choose to fully express it when I.

Am on vacation. * Please stop assuming that you know everything about Black.

Life. * It sounds ignorant. * Hell, I am Black and I wouldn't assume that I.

Know everything about Black life. [/QUOTE]I actually agreed with Frannie's summary. I tried to read your repudiation as something that would be thoughtful and informative, but every other word you make it a point to refer to Frannie as "ignorant" or a "bigot." I see that you are calling for a separate "cultural sensitivity thread", but for someone with a Ph. D you could at least keep your responses civil.

That is an interesting observation that I don't see many Caucasian A mericans in the DR. I would be curious as to why that is. Given that on any given trip you may see a lot of Black men around Sosua doesn't neccessarily mean that a lot of Black men go. It could be a sampling Issue or merely a popular weekend like superbowl that attracted a large number that time). I would like to hear from any members that spend long periods of time their at a given time or even have lived there. It could just be that a few Black men are going over and over again (I met a Black guy that goes back every other month).

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1144421]If you read my earlier post carefully, you will see that I said that by far the majority of AA mongers that you will meet in Sosua are middle class with respectable home lives, decent jobs, etc. I said nothing about "thugs" whatsoever. You are upbraiding me for not claiming that many of the AA mongers are upper echelon people like you, but I'm still not really convinced it is so.

The question I was interested in is why there are so many, relatively speaking, AA mongers in Sosua considering that AA men are a minority in the US. Another way to frame the hypothesis, which I am sure that you as a Ph. D. Will appreciate, is that there are relatively few Caucasian American mongers in Sosua? Why are they probably outnumbered by Germans? There must be some cultural or economic factor that discourages them.

We could examine the hypothesis that they prefer to visit other places in the DR (or other countries) , and I am sure they do, but not in large numbers. Certainly when I am on the plane, whether flying to and from Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, I don't see many single Caucasian men. Most of the passengers are Dominicans.

Another hypothesis might be that many Caucasian American men don't find Dominican women sexually attractive, but I find this highly improbable. Highly. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1144433]I actually agreed with Frannie's summary. I tried to read your repudiation as something that would be thoughtful and informative, but every other word you make it a point to refer to Frannie as "ignorant" or a "bigot." I see that you are calling for a separate "cultural sensitivity thread", but for someone with a Ph. D you could at least keep your responses civil.[/QUOTE]I assume I have the freedom on this board to take offense to comments and express that offense, regardless of my educational level. The cultural sensitivity thread was an attempt to introduce levity into the situation. Underlying the attempt is still the fact that there have been several comments (not just by Frannie) that I feel are inappropriate characterizations of Black men and finally decided to voice my opinions. I didn't attempt to attack Frannie nor did I call him a bigot or racist. I also don't think I need to sit quietly by and allow it to continue unchallenged.

I just had another thought about the great question that you raised. It may not be valid after all. Let me explain. When I go out to Classico on an average Saturday night, I may see 40 Blacks and only 8 whites in the club. Initial impression could lead you to say that there are a lot of Blacks (and relatively there are). However relative to the number of Blacks in the States, the number 40 is insignificant (I believe there are something like 7 million Black men in the US). Even if a new group of Black men came in every week of the year (which we can agree isn't the case) the number still wouldn't reach significance. It's just impossible. Even if you curved your number up to 1000 new Blacks each week (which it clearly isn't) you'd only be talking about 52, 000 Blacks out of 7, 000, 000. It's a faulty comparison to make assumptions based on relative comparison in this situation.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1144421]The question I was interested in is why there are so many, relatively speaking, AA mongers in Sosua considering that AA men are a minority in the US. Another way to frame the hypothesis, which I am sure that you as a Ph. D. Will appreciate, is that there are relatively few Caucasian American mongers in Sosua? Why are they probably outnumbered by Germans? There must be some cultural or economic factor that discourages them.

We could examine the hypothesis that they prefer to visit other places in the DR (or other countries) , and I am sure they do, but not in large numbers. Certainly when I am on the plane, whether flying to and from Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, I don't see many single Caucasian men. Most of the passengers are Dominicans.

Another hypothesis might be that many Caucasian American men don't find Dominican women sexually attractive, but I find this highly improbable. Highly. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sovereign;1144467]I just had another thought about the great question that you raised. It may not be valid after all. Let me explain. When I go out to Classico on an average Saturday night, I may see 40 Blacks and only 8 whites in the club. Initial impression could lead you to say that there are a lot of Blacks (and relatively there are). However relative to the number of Blacks in the States, the number 40 is insignificant (I believe there are something like 7 million Black men in the US). Even if a new group of Black men came in every week of the year (which we can agree isn't the case) the number still wouldn't reach significance. It's just impossible. Even if you curved your number up to 1000 new Blacks each week (which it clearly isn't) you'd only be talking about 52, 000 Blacks out of 7, 000, 000. It's a faulty comparison to make assumptions based on relative comparison in this situation.[/QUOTE]Sovereign,

As we are told as children, we are always going to have give 150% to the rest of the worlds 100.

It seems this thread rubbed you the wrong way, and I can see why, but like water on fish, just let it roll off.

We will always have to explain ourselves when other cultures do what the "world" deems immoral or normal or whatever when we enter that venue.

I'm from Oregon with the black population at only 4. 5, I drive the city bus, decent income, homeowner, but it's like driving for "Miss Daisy " everyday, with the comments and ridicule.

I went to Sousa for the first time in 2009 for 3 weeks. I wanted a closer place because the plane trip to Thailand was wearing me out. I had a blast, only visited the bars a couple of times, because a Motorbike taxi guy and I hooked up and I got to explore his hood with him, that's how I met my women, in his neighborhood.

My spanish has improved since then, so I have 3 women in 3 different cities, waiting for my call when I get there in 3 weeks I met on DominicanCupid.

But every comment on here I have heard in every country I've been too, who cares. I bet you get talked about in your own city don't you?

It's our world like everybody else's.

Go where you want, do what you want, be who you are.

Criticism often stems from insecurity anyway, don't play the game, make your own game. I do.

NoWrath

[QUOTE=Beerdrinker;1144114]Overpaying will ruin the experience for everyone else. We do not want DR to turn into CR. Pay the normal expected price or don't come to DR.[/QUOTE]To be honest, I pay what I feel the chica earns. I tell each chica that I'll pay a base amount for ST or TLN and if she does a great job, I'll pay her more. That seems to work all the time. It does cause a conversation about the bonus at the end of the night but by then she's leaving so a small bonus or a big bonus ends the same, she's leaving.

I don't believe that enough guys overpaying chicas is going to change the rate for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1144421]We could examine the hypothesis that they prefer to visit other places in the DR (or other countries) , and I am sure they do, but not in large numbers. Certainly when I am on the plane, whether flying to and from Santo Domingo, Santiago, or Puerto Plata, I don't see many single Caucasian men. Most of the passengers are Dominicans. Another hypothesis might be that many Caucasian American men don't find Dominican women sexually attractive, but I find this highly improbable. Highly.[/QUOTE]My hypothesis is simply that they don't know the place exists or are not aware of the scene or they don't want to get away from their comfort zone (usual mongering place). That goes for any race.

1. My first time in Brazil I was with my then wife. We went to Salvador and Rio. We stayed right on Av. Atlantica in Copacabana and I still didn't know about the scene there until I returned over a year later with some friends of mine who already knew about everything.

2. I would go to Bangkok often and hang out on the scene but I didn't know Pattaya (which is the biggest scene on the planet in volume and area and only one and a half hour away from Bangkok) even existed until I met a guy in the hotel lobby who said he was waiting for a bus to go there. I asked him what was there. He said it was like Bangkok but better and cheaper. I still didn't go there until 3 or 4 trips later and I haven't looked back.

3. My first few times in DR I was in Boca Chica because I had gone with another friend who had led the way. We didn't even know Sosua existed until another friend of ours told us.

I know many guys who like to go to Costa Rica and Panama. I tell them why not just go to Colombia or DR since that is where all the girls come from. Go get them at the source where it is cheaper. The only reason the girls go to the other countries is because they can make more money than at home. You think the guys have even considered changing their pattern? No. Because they are comfortable. The same goes for my friends who would only go to Rio in its heyday and wouldn't try other places.

Americans are used to going to Florida and maybe the Bahamas or Jamaica. Germans are used to venturing out of Europe and setting up "colonies" in warmer destinations such as Sosua and Pattaya. They don't just go to monger, but bring their whole family along. As Frannie said, most of the people on the DR flights are Dominican with the exception of a few white families (throw in a few missionaries as there was a large church group at Sosua Bay Hotel last week) who will be going to resorts in Punta Cana and occasionally Puerto Plata.

For the last several years, whenever I have gone to a new place, I get into a taxi and ask, "Where are the women?"

[QUOTE=Nowrath; 1144493]Sovereign,

As we are told as children, we are always going to have give 150% to the rest of the worlds 100.

It seems this thread rubbed you the wrong way, and I can see why, but like water on fish, just let it roll off.

We will always have to explain ourselves when other cultures do what the "world" deems immoral or normal or whatever when we enter that venue.

I'm from Oregon with the black population at only 4. 5, I drive the city bus, decent income, homeowner, but it's like driving for "Miss Daisy " everyday, with the comments and ridicule. You.

I went to Sousa for the first time in 2009 for 3 weeks. I wanted a closer place because the plane trip to Thailand was wearing me out. I had a blast, only visited the bars a couple of times, because a Motorbike taxi guy and I hooked up and I got to explore his hood with him, that's how I met my women, in his neighborhood.

My spanish has improved since then, so I have 3 women in 3 different cities, waiting for my call when I get there in 3 weeks I met on DominicanCupid.

But every comment on here I have heard in every country I've been too, who cares. I bet you get talked about in your own city don't you?

It's our world like everybody else's.

Go where you want, do what you want, be who you are.

Criticism often stems from insecurity anyway, don't play the game, make your own game. I do.

NoWrath[/QUOTE]Well said my friend, well said! How ironic is this, I'm a city bus driver, here.

In Portland, Or also, I've been to Pattaya, Thailand (walking street). I guess, ill be guity of fanning,

These racial flames, but ill be damned, if I'm going to take a opinion, from a non african american,

Anymore, than I will give opinions to white, or asians etc, They have no clue, on what its like being.

Black, and I don't have a clue, on what its like, being white, so please, save it, but I will take general.

Advice, that is color or gender nuetral, that will help me grow, Failure can be a success, if.

You learn from it, I've been black 44 years, and I'd be damned, if ill listen to some black advice.

Coming from non blacks, and also, I won't listen to a plumber, on how to a fly a plane.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1144430]LMAO. Frannie you have braids? Please don't come unbraided. You don't have a huge rope chain with pimp medallion also? LMAO. About now this forum could use some humor.........[/QUOTE]LMAO, you may be right Gogo. Isn't this the same guy that likes cheap pussy and mingering with the low life sleeze in Boca? LOL, just messing with you Frannie. Now if Frannie says he has one of them over sized NY basball caps he wears to the side we know the deal.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo; 1144430]LMAO. Frannie you have braids? Please don't come unbraided. You don't have a huge rope chain with pimp medallion also? LMAO. About now this forum could use some humor.

I don't think you are a racist, just very educated and opinonated. But you have to be smart enough not to wade into racial topics unless you want to be questioned. [/QUOTE]No I don't mind being questioned at all. Anyway my household consists of me. 1 black woman. 1 Mexican woman. 1 black child, a puppy. 2 cats (1 black).1 rabbit (white) , and 3 fish (gold). More than 50% of my coworkers are African American, (but as far as I know, none of them are mongers).

I just asked a question about why there are a lot of African American mongers in Sosua.

I explained how I first got involved in mongering and how I eventually reached a stage in life where I paid for sex in spite of social stigma against same, and I mentioned confidentiality issues.

I wondered if paying for sex was more acceptable among African Americans, since those I have met in Sosua were often traveling in pair or in groups, which would mean that there were people in their home communities who knew about their mongering. I wondered if some African Americans might have gotten into mongering via military service. This is often the case with Caucasians, some of whom of my age like to reminisce about the girls in Vietnam. (Also note that the whole tourist sex industry in Thailand developed because of the Vietnam War.)

Answers I have got include:

1. There are not many African American mongers in Sosua.

2. African American communities profoundly disparage mongering.

3. A Ph. D can tell family and friends that he mongers, but this does not affect him professionally. (Interesting to me, because if anyone in my job knew about my mongering, my position with the agency would probably be untenable.)

4. Military experience is not usually a precursor to mongering.

5. African American mongers travel to Sosua from all over the Eastern US.

5. Caucasian mongers don't know about Sosua.

No one has offered any explanation as to WHY there are a lot of African American mongers in Sosua, many of them younger. How do they find out about Sosua? What enables them to overcome the taboo against prostitution within the AA community? What about the risks of exposure for people who are in professions that would frown on mongering activity?

Not that it is any big deal, but it makes for an interesting discussion.

[QUOTE=Frannie; 1144611]No I don't mind being questioned at all. Anyway my household consists of me. 1 black woman. 1 Mexican woman. 1 black child, a puppy. 2 cats (1 black).1 rabbit (white) , and 3 fish (gold). More than 50% of my coworkers are African American, (but as far as I know, none of them are mongers).

I just asked a question about why there are a lot of African American mongers in Sosua.

I explained how I first got involved in mongering and how I eventually reached a stage in life where I paid for sex in spite of social stigma against same, and I mentioned confidentiality issues.

I wondered if paying for sex was more acceptable among African Americans, since those I have met in Sosua were often traveling in pair or in groups, which would mean that there were people in their home communities who knew about their mongering. I wondered if some African Americans might have gotten into mongering via military service. This is often the case with Caucasians, some of whom of my age like to reminisce about the girls in Vietnam. (Also note that the whole tourist sex industry in Thailand developed because of the Vietnam War.)

Answers I have got include:

1. There are not many African American mongers in Sosua.

2. African American communities profoundly disparage mongering.

3. A Ph. D can tell family and friends that he mongers, but this does not affect him professionally. (Interesting to me, because if anyone in my job knew about my mongering, my position with the agency would probably be untenable.)

4. Military experience is not usually a precursor to mongering.

5. African American mongers travel to Sosua from all over the Eastern US.

5. Caucasian mongers don't know about Sosua.

No one has offered any explanation as to WHY there are a lot of African American mongers in Sosua, many of them younger. How do they find out about Sosua? What enables them to overcome the taboo against prostitution within the AA community? What about the risks of exposure for people who are in professions that would frown on mongering activity?

Not that it is any big deal, but it makes for an interesting discussion.[/QUOTE]As long as it is an interesting discussion I can deal with it and assist your curiosity, but on a racial confrontation level I don't care to indulge (its negative energy). One thing I can agree with you on is my personal military experience started my mongering experience. After being at sea for three months then hitting Olongopo Philippines with saved up cash, buying pussy was on the agenda. Basically it was the same with every port. But there was a difference. Most women would fuck us for free to lock into marrying a military man. But others understood it was money until then next ship came in.

An older player once told me"you arent a real man until you learn how to buy pussy". It took years to understand this. Sure to some people working a job and paying bills and being responsible is what a real man is about. But dealing with a woman on the most primative level for something you want, and negotiating a fair settlement for your sexual gratifacation is man basics 101. Some so called men "take it", some smooth talk to get it, but it takes a real man to negotiate her"worth" for you sexually.

One of my boys that I work with decided to try and shine at a company picnic. He also happened to be AA and 80% of the people at the picnic were also. He said publicly that" I go to the Dominican Republic to buy poor pussy" which pissed me off. Well before I could catch myself I said" You haven't fucked your wife in six months, maybe you need that trip". Needless to say, both of our secrets were out and his wife is pissed at both of us. But thats cool because none of the "sistas" don't like my Thai girlfriend anyway. My point is that the stigma in the black community about foreign women, I don't give a fuck about.

Being raised in DC with a strong family background, interracial dating was not acceptable. And being a true Mommas boy I fed into this taboo for the first 35 years of my life. But now I'm to old (40ish) to give a fuck. Its about what I want to be happy. And to me being happy is traveling to a foreign country, enjoying their customs, drinking their liquor and along the way getting my dick wet.