Kyiv

[QUOTE=Sorbonne;1172281]Shoes. I don't necessarily expect any answer to this ridiculous post.[/QUOTE]Sandals do not match civilized world's vision of good taste. If you want to dress "down" but "cool", wear Armani, Pal Zileri, Zegna, ect sneakers. For "in" clubs, if you want to show which class you are in (keep in mind that FSU countries are very much class societies) , wear Berluti, John Lobb, Santoni, Weston, ect leather shoes. With a stylish jeans, a labeled belt and a quality Boss, Prada or Zegna shirt, it's perfect.

The fancy watch is also a weapon. It attracts a positive attention. It suggests success, and FSU women like successful men. Winner. I bought last year the new IWC Ingenieur Mission Earth, a nice, big and expensive eye-catching watch, and when I'm out and about, it definitely stands out vs the competition.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1172414]Sandals do not match civilized world's vision of good taste. If you want to dress "down" but "cool", wear Armani, Pal Zileri, Zegna, ect sneakers. For "in" clubs, if you want to show which class you are in (keep in mind that FSU countries are very much class societies) , wear Berluti, John Lobb, Santoni, Weston, ect leather shoes. With a stylish jeans, a labeled belt and a quality Boss, Prada or Zegna shirt, it's perfect.

The fancy watch is also a weapon. It attracts a positive attention. It suggests success, and FSU women like successful men. Winner. I bought last year the new IWC Ingenieur Mission Earth, a nice, big and expensive eye-catching watch, and when I'm out and about, it definitely stands out vs the competition.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your advice.

I'm not sure what to do. My philosophy is quality and comfort over style. This alone suggests I'm out in the FSU countires.

But I'm not planning to go clubbing in Kiev. Mainly I'm just going out with regular girls from Mamba, with whom I've made contacts.

In fact I just bought a Columbia shirt and a pair of Ex-Officio pants. It sounds like I'm going for camping in Ukraine. (In fact one of the girls I'm supposed to meet with just came back from a summer camp.)

But I'll take your advice seriously. Maybe I'll buy a Boss shirt.

Meeting with Alina of vodkaescort at 4pm went off spectacularly. The girl was as pretty as her pictures, not a voluptuous type, but rather a slender girl with very pretty eyes and face. She is not on the website due to her privacy concerns, but the agency had emailed me her pics. Very intelligent girl with superb English, already has a Bachelor's degree from the university in Kiev, plans to go to graduate school in another country to broaden herself. She's not just a Ukrainian farm girl who just came to the big city Kiev, but a sophisticated conversationalist, very well travelled all over Europe, as she has been able to overcome the difficulty in getting a visa to travel from Ukraine. I was impressed with her, and when we got down to the fun part of our meeting. Wow! The sex was great, and, of note, this girl deserves a nomination to my deep throat BJ queen of all time list. Simply superb and exquisite. She left at 7pm, a well spent three hours at the same $300 rate as Rio.

After three very good experiences with girls from vodkaescort (Julia, Inna and now Alina) I feel I have enough basis to believe that the chances are weighted in favor of having a good experience with this agency. I'm sure you recognize that this is no guarantee, since every girl is different and there may be a bad apple in the mix of girls at this agency whom I haven't yet had the misfortune to meet, but it seems the agency tries to exercise quality control and choose good girls. Therefore, vodkaescort, which uses true pics, photoshopped, but not overly so, is a viable option, certainly for daytime play.

Other daytime options are chasing after mamba and top-modals girls, or other websites with fake pictures, where the asking prices are often $100 or less, to try and find a sexy girl at a cheaper rate. Or one can roam the streets or shopping malls during the daytime hours trying to pick up girls who appeal, for a cheaper $100 or less rate.

Although I don't care for the looks of many of the girls on the vodkaescort website, there are some girls there who I do like very much. Mostly the agency is looking for long term bookings, such as overnights or multiple days bookings. They claim that is the core of their client base. However, many of their girls do not reside in Kiev and their travel time to Kiev is the key factor preventing such girls from being able to offer short term meetings in Kiev for 3 or 6 hours. But they do have some girls who can provide a 3 hour date in Kiev, and some of those are appealing girls, so there is an option. By way of comparison to the only other escort agency website that uses true pics, namely, Gia-escort. Com, I never could find any models on their website that I liked enough to justify their higher rates for the one hour appointment of $180 / hour. The rates of these two agencies are similar, when speaking of a three hour booking, to the Rio rates of $300/3hrs. Or thereabouts.

However, for nightime play, my interest would shift back to Rio strip club which has many more options of spectacular looking girls available in Kiev at the $300/3hrs rate. Or if strip clubs are not your thing, I would shift focus to going to the nightclubs and trying to figure out who is a WG, and then negotiating through the BS of their high-ball first quote of $400 or $500 for an hour or two, down to something more reasonable, and then trying to figure out, without the benefit of a private dance experience with them, whether they are likely to provide a GFE experience or not. Or if you are looking for freebies, then at the nightclubs, use your usual charms as in your home city to see if you can't get a girl's interest enough to start up a relationship, casual though it may be.

After my experience with Alina from 4. 7pm I was a little tired out, but this was my last night in Kiev, so suck it up man, you'll rest later. I made it to Rio at about 10:30pm. I saw the incredibly beautiful and sexy blond, Tanya, there again who I had noticed last nite, who just started working two weeks ago. I asked her to come and sit with me. The conversation went poorly, as she was nervous and distracted, very bad vibe, and I was disappointed as she is so truly pretty. She told be she saw me last night sitting with her friend Marta. Marta is an incredibly beautiful black haired cover girl type, who had given me the answer last night that she had her period and couldn't go out. Tanya said she was a dancer only and didn't go out, so she's off the list. For my money these two friends can have each other, as they seem to be a too difficult nut to crack. Then I saw Alexandra, the fantastic girl I had taken home from Rio at the end of a long Saturday night who stayed with me from 5. 8am. Tall, slender, uber-sexy black-haired beauty, but I didn't want a repeat again so soon.

Then I saw the sexy blond school teacher, Gella, with the perfect ass, who smiled at me whenever she looked my way. She had declined to come with me alone, the first time I saw her, and only wanted to come with my favorita as a duo. Maybe she was nervous. Anyway, my favorita was there last night and I invited her to sit down and we discussed the cute blond Gella. She went to talk to her, to make sure she was up for everything that would be expected. Having another girl do the interview with Gella about the services was great. Bottom line is that soon after, I left the club with two girls on my arm, my favorita and this really cute blond, Gella. The session was unbelievable and so much fun. My favorita likes girls too and while there was no pussy kissing by either girl, there was a lot of breast kissing and touching between the girls, while I was doing my own thing. It was an awesome duo session. There's nothing like seeing the affect on the second girl of the first girl's moans and eventually shrieks of passion and ecstasy as she receives a most effective DATY. It builds an excitement and anticipation in the second girl of how good it will be when it is her turn, soon enough. Likewise, the look on my favorita's face as she lay next to us on the bed and we looked into each other's eyes, knowingly smiling, as I missionary fucked the beautiful blonde school teacher, Gella, into a screaming orgasm, and then continued to pound her towards a second one, was priceless. The session proceeded from good to better, and included lots of licking and kissing and fucking in all manner of positions. Lots of cuddling and conversation too. Yet the blow job had been covered. Why do I not mind? Because for one thing, at the same time, I had Gella up above me sitting on my face while I was licking her pussy and she was moaning and getting worked up toward her second orgasm, which was far more exciting and distracted me. And also because otherwise, except for that, real GFE was going on. I was happy I had been able to get past the roadblocks that Gella had had up initially, as now she had been thoroughly initiated and was into it. So, I was somewhat consoled about the loss of Rosa, the beautiful princess who had graced my last duo and made it the best ever, and perhaps Gella will take her place, although she is irreplaceable. But who knows, the search shall go on next time I'm in Kiev. There are others on my list, including hotties like Tamara, Gloria, Yanna etc. And they keep getting new girls. And Mandarin, their sister club may open "soon".

Now I'm back in Brussels, planning to get a little rest, and then perhaps sample some of this city's best.

LJ

Something I've been wondering about. Assuming all things equal in a man (age, looks, economics, social) , which nationality do Eastern European girls most admire?

Probably my imagination, but on my last trip, I noticed that presenting myself as an Italian amplified a girls interest towards me as opposed to being an American.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Climaxnow; 1172908]Probably my imagination, but on my last trip, I noticed that presenting myself as an Italian amplified a girls interest towards me as opposed to being an American.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I hate clichees, but "Italiano" is a running joke among girls in EE. Italians are well-known for their clumsy game and their cultural unawareness. All talk no action, and furthermore always in groups, unable to stand solo (unlike Americans, to their tribute). That said, it's a generalization. I already met Italians with an excellent game, a good cultural knowledge, and able to pick-up solo. Nonetheless one thing is certain, it's that EE devushki usually prefer the olive-skinned "latino" type of guy to the livid white-pale typical westerner.

You could try to present yourself as French. It's often synonym of rafinement, romantism, intelligence and cultural enlightening. (wink)

Something important I forgot to add to my Day 3 report regarding daytime options. In the past, I had mentioned going to girl apartments as an option for cheap rates for sex with a good looking Ukrainian girl that you can check out how she looks first, and this might be a preferable alternative to dealing with the time waste in using the fake picture websites.

Well here is a cautionary note. I had been talking to the taxi driver who took me home from D'Lux about whether he knows where the apartments with prostitutes are located. He said that the police had closed a lot of them, and that if a taxi driver takes a guy to the apartment, the police lock up both of them. So he said better to go to D'Lux which is full of prostitutes.

Has anyone heard of some sort of crack down by Kiev police on girl apartments?

Because of the uncertainty, I would exercise caution with regard to going to girl apartments, until more is known about what is going on.

LJ

[QUOTE=Climaxnow;1172908]Enough with shoes![/QUOTE]BTW, despite their bad reputation, girls in FSU do give credit to Italians because they usually dress with style and refinement (contrarily to American who often dress like slobs) , which match their own tastes to dress to the tens. Shoes are important if you want to tick all the boxes in order to be accepted by those 9+ glam girls who look for accordingly well appointed men of same cultural and lifestyle level. If you can't perceive the pervasiveness of the status system and the importance of being dressed with refinement and style in FSU countries, then you can't really understand people who live there.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1172931]I hate clichees, but "Italiano" is a running joke among girls in EE. Italians are well-known for their clumsy game and their cultural unawareness. All talk no action, and furthermore always in groups, unable to stand solo (unlike Americans, to their tribute). That said, it's a generalization. I already met Italians with an excellent game, a good cultural knowledge, and able to pick-up solo. Nonetheless one thing is certain, it's that EE devushki usually prefer the olive-skinned "latino" type of guy to the livid white-pale typical westerner.

You could try to present yourself as French. It's often synonym of rafinement, romantism, intelligence and cultural enlightening. (wink) [/QUOTE]It must be the Turks. (wink!)

[QUOTE=Wallyally;1173133]It must be the Turks. (wink!)[/QUOTE]The reality is all nations can be either popular or unpopular here.

Some girls have 'No Turks" on their Mamba profiles whereas others go crazy for them.

Best to find your market and sell in to it. No point in wasting time on a girl who prefers Americans if you're Italian.

[QUOTE=Irish Lad;1173398].Veni vidi vici[/QUOTE]+1. An Ukrainian girl will favor any day a well-groomed and good-looking Turk over a poorly dressed and average looking Yankee.

No need to bash nationalities WallyWally. Everything is in the game, the looks, the style and the cultural awareness.

I just came back from Kiev. Overall, it wasn't the best trip, I even regret I went there. It was raining non-stop for so many days, on Friday and Saturday night it was nearly impossible to get a taxi. Everyone was saying "no free cars". There was even an article in local newspaper about it. Of course there was plenty of taxis on the street but I wasn't going to pay those ridiculous fees (like from Buddha Bar to Arena 150 grivnas, I can walk, thank you). I visited Rio, Buddha Bar, and D'Lux and also talked to a few girls in shopping malls. I went to Rio again, it was a little better than the first time. I was able to get a table pretty quickly, Mark was very helpful. Had dances from Albina (brown hair, about 20-22, she said she's a student and has been working at Rio for three months) and Selena (dark hair, young girl about 19-20 years old) , she just started there and was rather scared. She said takeout was available but I decided not to go ahead. Buddha Bar, the only good thing about that place was no cover charge. It was 2 minutes walking distance from my building, so I went there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and it was empty all three days. I asked for a table. They said there's a minimum deposit of 1000 grivnas but after I refused, the waitress came in 2 minutes and said I can go ahead and choose any available table. D'Lux was full of people, many girls, made an eye contact with a few of them, approached one girl, she said "I'm leaving soon", another one said "I'm just here to dance". It would have been another frustrating night if I wouldn't have met my old friend from River Palace. I was surprised she remembered me, last time we met in 2006. The girl is now 33 years old, she's still pretty, she was there with a few friends. We had a few drinks and talked for about an hour. She said most of the River Palace girls are now working in Moscow, either at Night Flight club or through the agencies. She also said that for the summer many of them went to Yalta. The next day I went to Ukraine Shopping Mall (Pobedy 3, next to Lybid Hotel) , located about 10 minutes driving from Khreshatik. I found a few pretty girls there, got some numbers. One of the girls from jewellery store on the first floor agreed to meet with me even though it was pouring like crazy. She's about 25-26 years old, long blonde hair. We went to the cinema (Odessa Kino) located at the same mall on the 4th floor and then spent some time at SushiYa. Next day it was a movie night again and then she agreed to go to my place. The sex was not the best but I have say I didn't expect much anyway. LFK, no DATY, CBJ, multiple positions. She wanted to meet next day but I didn't call here. The total cost was about 400 grivnas (taxi, movie tickets, popcorn, restaurant). I'm not sure if I will go to Kiev again. Without RP and with this type of weather it's hard to find someone. I mean who will be outside when it's constantly raining. Maybe it's time to explore some other options.

[QUOTE=Curious12;1173597]I just came back from Kiev. Overall, it wasn't the best trip, I even regret I went there. It was raining non-stop for so many days, on Friday and Saturday night it was nearly impossible to get a taxi. Everyone was saying "no free cars". There was even an article in local newspaper about it. Of course there was plenty of taxis on the street but I wasn't going to pay those ridiculous fees (like from Buddha Bar to Arena 150 grivnas, I can walk, thank you). I visited Rio, Buddha Bar, and D'Lux and also talked to a few girls in shopping malls. I went to Rio again, it was a little better than the first time. I was able to get a table pretty quickly, Mark was very helpful. Had dances from Albina (brown hair, about 20-22, she said she's a student and has been working at Rio for three months) and Selena (dark hair, young girl about 19-20 years old) , she just started there and was rather scared. She said takeout was available but I decided not to go ahead. Buddha Bar, the only good thing about that place was no cover charge. It was 2 minutes walking distance from my building, so I went there on Thursday, Friday and Saturday and it was empty all three days. I asked for a table. They said there's a minimum deposit of 1000 grivnas but after I refused, the waitress came in 2 minutes and said I can go ahead and choose any available table. D'Lux was full of people, many girls, made an eye contact with a few of them, approached one girl, she said "I'm leaving soon", another one said "I'm just here to dance". It would have been another frustrating night if I wouldn't have met my old friend from River Palace. I was surprised she remembered me, last time we met in 2006. The girl is now 33 years old, she's still pretty, she was there with a few friends. We had a few drinks and talked for about an hour. She said most of the River Palace girls are now working in Moscow, either at Night Flight club or through the agencies. She also said that for the summer many of them went to Yalta. The next day I went to Ukraine Shopping Mall (Pobedy 3, next to Lybid Hotel) , located about 10 minutes driving from Khreshatik. I found a few pretty girls there, got some numbers. One of the girls from jewellery store on the first floor agreed to meet with me even though it was pouring like crazy. She's about 25-26 years old, long blonde hair. We went to the cinema (Odessa Kino) located at the same mall on the 4th floor and then spent some time at SushiYa. Next day it was a movie night again and then she agreed to go to my place. The sex was not the best but I have say I didn't expect much anyway. LFK, no DATY, CBJ, multiple positions. She wanted to meet next day but I didn't call here. The total cost was about 400 grivnas (taxi, movie tickets, popcorn, restaurant). I'm not sure if I will go to Kiev again. Without RP and with this type of weather it's hard to find someone. I mean who will be outside when it's constantly raining. Maybe it's time to explore some other options.[/QUOTE]Dear Curious12.

I read with empathy about your disappointing experiences this past weekend at Buddha Bar and D'Lux, as they were similar to my own. I too was in Kiev this past weekend, and reported similar observations. I'm not sure if it was the rain, or the season (July many people are away on vacation in Ukraine so maybe the WG's also take off). Or maybe what your old RP friend said about all the WG's who used to be at RP now working in Moscow, is a factor which is probably true to some extent, but there were plenty of girls still in the Kiev clubs a few months back when I was there in February or April, so it's probably more related to a seasonal factor.

Nevertheless, you would probably have had a much better time if you had stuck to your guns at Rio, and persisted until you found what you liked. I took out two new girls from Rio that I had never met before and had a great time with both of them, and that's in addition to the two dates and great fun had with another Rio girl whom I had taken out many times before. So, while I also felt that the line up had less top level girls willing to go out as in the past, nevertheless, there were some truly great girls there and much fun to be had with a little persistence.

I also note that you didn't write about any attempts to find good girls on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com, two of the websites that guys have repeatedly reported having good results from, albeit after having to send back girls who weren't appealing enough, making the process of finding a good girl time consuming.

Therefore, failing to be more persistent at Rio, and failing to pursue any options from mamba and top-modals, were the two reasons that contributed to your lack of great sex you reported over this past weekend.

So, I would encourage you not give up on Kiev just yet, as the beauties available for p4p abound in that city. You just didn't access them in the way that would have made you a happy camper.

I, and others, have consistently reported on this thread that, for a monger coming to Kiev for a short weekend, to place all his efforts into chasing possible freebies on the streets and shopping malls in Kiev, on the assumption that he will succeed in having great sex with very beautiful women, is to bank everything on an unreasonable expectation. Is it possible to be successful and get a date and have sex with a pretty girl? Yes, of course it's possible. Is it probable? Well, the better your looks, your game, and apparently from the discussion in the last few posts, the better your clothing, shoes and accessories, then the better your chances with the Kiev top level girls. But is it a guaranteed result? Definitely not. Don't come to Kiev expecting better results with freebies than you can manage on your home court. That is why, although chasing freebies is the ultimate excitement and game for many players, you should not put all your eggs in that one basket. You should back up your efforts with p4p options such as are available on mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, as well as at the strip club Rio, or other strip clubs, or other websites.

Leaving Kiev after a weekend there without having some great sex experiences is unfortunate, but is a result that could have been surmounted. If you do decide to try again, take some of the advice plentifully available here on this thread, and I'm sure your score card will look far better.

LJ

[url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=462112849&hit=3[/url]

Caring friends with this girl, after the meeting, while you sleep, try to steal your wallet, called Kateryna Tkalenko, danger

[QUOTE=Xavisi; 1173965][url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=462112849&hit=3[/url]

Caring friends with this girl, after the meeting, while you sleep, try to steal your wallet, called Kateryna Tkalenko, danger[/QUOTE]She's hot though. How much does she charge?

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1173761]Dear Curious12.

I read with empathy about your disappointing experiences this past weekend at Buddha Bar and D'Lux, as they were similar to my own. I too was in Kiev this past weekend, and reported similar observations. I'm not sure if it was the rain, or the season (July many people are away on vacation in Ukraine so maybe the WG's also take off). Or maybe what your old RP friend said about all the WG's who used to be at RP now working in Moscow, is a factor which is probably true to some extent, but there were plenty of girls still in the Kiev clubs a few months back when I was there in February or April, so it's probably more related to a seasonal factor.

Nevertheless, you would probably have had a much better time if you had stuck to your guns at Rio, and persisted until you found what you liked. I took out two new girls from Rio that I had never met before and had a great time with both of them, and that's in addition to the two dates and great fun had with another Rio girl whom I had taken out many times before. So, while I also felt that the line up had less top level girls willing to go out as in the past, nevertheless, there were some truly great girls there and much fun to be had with a little persistence.

I also note that you didn't write about any attempts to find good girls on mamba. Ru or top-modals. Com, two of the websites that guys have repeatedly reported having good results from, albeit after having to send back girls who weren't appealing enough, making the process of finding a good girl time consuming.

Therefore, failing to be more persistent at Rio, and failing to pursue any options from mamba and top-modals, were the two reasons that contributed to your lack of great sex you reported over this past weekend.

So, I would encourage you not give up on Kiev just yet, as the beauties available for p4p abound in that city. You just didn't access them in the way that would have made you a happy camper.

I, and others, have consistently reported on this thread that, for a monger coming to Kiev for a short weekend, to place all his efforts into chasing possible freebies on the streets and shopping malls in Kiev, on the assumption that he will succeed in having great sex with very beautiful women, is to bank everything on an unreasonable expectation. Is it possible to be successful and get a date and have sex with a pretty girl? Yes, of course it's possible. Is it probable? Well, the better your looks, your game, and apparently from the discussion in the last few posts, the better your clothing, shoes and accessories, then the better your chances with the Kiev top level girls. But is it a guaranteed result? Definitely not. Don't come to Kiev expecting better results with freebies than you can manage on your home court. That is why, although chasing freebies is the ultimate excitement and game for many players, you should not put all your eggs in that one basket. You should back up your efforts with p4p options such as are available on mamba. Ru and top-modals. Com, as well as at the strip club Rio, or other strip clubs, or other websites.

Leaving Kiev after a weekend there without having some great sex experiences is unfortunate, but is a result that could have been surmounted. If you do decide to try again, take some of the advice plentifully available here on this thread, and I'm sure your score card will look far better.

LJ[/QUOTE]Dear Liljoey,

Thank you for your comments. Perhaps I need to change my strategy and give Rio girls one more chance. I will think about it. I prefer to meet girls in clubs and do not like to use websites because of fake pictures. I had some bad experiences in the past, different girl would show up, rude behavior etc.

Take care.