Kyiv

I met her last year. She had some story about her apartment being robbed and needing new phone, camera, tv, etc.

[QUOTE=Xavisi; 1173965][url]http://mamba.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=462112849&hit=3[/url]

Caring friends with this girl, after the meeting, while you sleep, try to steal your wallet, called Kateryna Tkalenko, danger[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stevie69;1174225]I met her last year. She had some story about her apartment being robbed and needing new phone, camera, tv, etc.[/QUOTE]Girl hot, but very dangerous, only look money, is a prostitute and robber

[QUOTE=Xavisi;1174367]Girl hot, but very dangerous, only look money, is a prostitute and robber[/QUOTE]So the solution is to screw and send her home. Don't let her hang around to rob you. Is she a pro? How much? If not, then did you get a freebie (minus what she robbed you for )?

Guys,

I am shaken now. This is my 6th time in Kiev but only my second night this time. I am staying at an apartment in the center.

I called a massage girl I knew to my apartment tonight. She came over at about 12:20 am.

As she phoned me in English from the locked door of the building (She was not dressed like a prostitute but was dressed like anybody else in this hot weather; besides, she is not a prostitute but a massage girl) , a police officer thought that she was a foreigner and asked her for her passport. She spoke to him in Ukrainian, telling him if he wanted to see her passport, he has to come to her apartment by the airport. Realizing that she was a Ukrainian, the officer let her go. (This is my interpretation of the event that happened.)

After 2 hours of her nice erotic massage without sex (for which I only paid her for one hour rate of USD 50) , she left out of my door, and I noticed that the same police officer was waiting outside of my apartment door (not the building door) and started to talk to her. I got scared and locked up my door. I heard them talking for maybe the next 5 minutes. I was never bothered by the officer SO FAR.

Later, about 3:30 am I sent her a text message and asked her if she was alright. She responded by saying that she can't sleep because the police officer called her prostitute and took all her money!!! I do believe she is telling me the truth!!!

I will try to talk to her again tomorrow, so I shall continue to report on this, but I am now afraid what would happen to me in the next 7 days when I am supposed to be staying in this apartment! I will most likely be asked for my passport and then what???

I can tell him I would call the American Embassy (even though I'm not an American) , but are they open late at night? I can also tell him I would call the apartment manager.

Guys, please advise, if you have advices!!!

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1174453]Guys,

I am shaken now. This is my 6th time in Kiev but only my second night this time. I am staying at an apartment in the center.

I called a massage girl I knew to my apartment tonight. She came over at about 12:20 am.

As she phoned me in English from the locked door of the building (She was not dressed like a prostitute but was dressed like anybody else in this hot weather; besides, she is not a prostitute but a massage girl) , a police officer thought that she was a foreigner and asked her for her passport. She spoke to him in Ukrainian, telling him if he wanted to see her passport, he has to come to her apartment by the airport. Realizing that she was a Ukrainian, the officer let her go. (This is my interpretation of the event that happened.)

After 2 hours of her nice erotic massage without sex (for which I only paid her for one hour rate of USD 50) , she left out of my door, and I noticed that the same police officer was waiting outside of my apartment door (not the building door) and started to talk to her. I got scared and locked up my door. I heard them talking for maybe the next 5 minutes. I was never bothered by the officer SO FAR.

Later, about 3:30 am I sent her a text message and asked her if she was alright. She responded by saying that she can't sleep because the police officer called her prostitute and took all her money! I do believe she is telling me the truth!

I will try to talk to her again tomorrow, so I shall continue to report on this, but I am now afraid what would happen to me in the next 7 days when I am supposed to be staying in this apartment! I will most likely be asked for my passport and then what?

I can tell him I would call the American Embassy (even though I'm not an American) , but are they open late at night? I can also tell him I would call the apartment manager.

Guys, please advise, if you have advices![/QUOTE]The police in Kiev are alert for the opportunity of a shake down. Just be sure to have your actual passport on you at all times when you leave the apartment. I was staying last weekend at an apartment near the Maidan and while walking to Buddha Bar at about 1am (I was the only pedestrian in sight as it was a rainy evening) I was stopped by uniformed police who asked for my passport and examined it to find the entry stamp from Ukraine immigration at the airport and then handed it back to me and wished me a good evening. I suppose if I hadn't taken it with me, they would have busted my chops until I gave them a payoff. But I had read about that ploy on this thread previously, so I took my passport with me when I left my apartment to go out, just in case. And it was lucky that I did. I suppose if you are going to bring a girl to your apartment, and you believe the police are staking out your apartment, then take a precaution and discuss and rehearse with the girl the basic elements of your story, such as that she is a friend coming to visit you, and if it's late perhaps that you are coming from a late night out at a nightclub, and make sure you know each other's names, just in case you are accosted trying to bring her to your place. They can't really do anything to you other than waste your time and hassle you in the hopes of a payoff. So try to stay calm and enjoy the goodies you came to Kiev for. And just in case, you might feel more secure about things if you actually ascertained the number of your embassy and had it available.

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1174500]The police in Kiev are alert for the opportunity of a shake down. Just be sure to have your actual passport on you at all times when you leave the apartment. I was staying last weekend at an apartment near the Maidan and while walking to Buddha Bar at about 1am (I was the only pedestrian in sight as it was a rainy evening) I was stopped by uniformed police who asked for my passport and examined it to find the entry stamp from Ukraine immigration at the airport and then handed it back to me and wished me a good evening. I suppose if I hadn't taken it with me, they would have busted my chops until I gave them a payoff. But I had read about that ploy on this thread previously, so I took my passport with me when I left my apartment to go out, just in case. And it was lucky that I did. I suppose if you are going to bring a girl to your apartment, and you believe the police are staking out your apartment, then take a precaution and discuss and rehearse with the girl the basic elements of your story, such as that she is a friend coming to visit you, and if it's late perhaps that you are coming from a late night out at a nightclub, and make sure you know each other's names, just in case you are accosted trying to bring her to your place. They can't really do anything to you other than waste your time and hassle you in the hopes of a payoff. So try to stay calm and enjoy the goodies you came to Kiev for. And just in case, you might feel more secure about things if you actually ascertained the number of your embassy and had it available.

LJ[/QUOTE]Dear Liljoey,

Thanks. You did calm me down a little bit.

Well, I knew I was supposed to be carrying my passport at all time and do carry it at all time.

"They can't really do anything to you other than waste your time and hassle you in the hopes of a payoff."

I'm hoping this is true.

I do have the phone number of my embassy in my cell phone but do not think they would answer the phone in the evening or on weekends.

If the police hassle me, I thought about trying to take their photos with my cell phone. What do you think? Has anybody tried it? Is it better not to mess with the police?

I think I'm going to apologize to the massage girl for locking up my door behind her and for not helping her and to give her the $50 she lost.

[quote=sorbonne; 1174531]dear liljoey,

thanks. you did calm me down a little bit.

well, i knew i was supposed to be carrying my passport at all time and do carry it at all time.

"they can't really do anything to you other than waste your time and hassle you in the hopes of a payoff."

i'm hoping this is true.

i do have the phone number of my embassy in my cell phone but do not think they would answer the phone in the evening or on weekends.

if the police hassle me, i thought about trying to take their photos with my cell phone. what do you think? has anybody tried it? is it better not to mess with the police?

i think i'm going to apologize to the massage girl for locking up my door behind her and for not helping her and to give her the $50 she lost.[/quote]it's not a good idea to try to intimidate police who may be hassling you by taking their photos. in general actions of resistance merely provoke the police to harsher measures against you. this is true even in the usa, where there are real civil rights and the courts exercise real restraints and oversight of police activity, yet many a person has been severely beaten by police on the pretext they were "resisting arrest". so it is certainly so in lands that were hitherto behind an iron curtain, where the ingrained culture lends itself to abuse by authorities. i doubt whether in ukraine a person even has a civil right to be free from "unreasonable searches and siezures" as in the usa.

if you provoke the police by trying physically threaten or intimidate them, as well as psychologically intimidate them by actions like photographing them, i would not expect them to back down, but rather to escalate their actions against you. it's not a good idea. the least they may do is simply confirep001e your phone, or they might do much worse to you.

the best approach when dealing with police anywhere who are armed with weapons and the full authority of the state, especially as a tourist, is to submit peaceably, and wait for your opportunity for assistance, or to bribe your way out of the issue which seems to be the prime motivation in ukraine.

however, as in any legal system, it goes without saying, do not admit to any unlawful act and incriminate yourself, but stick to your story that the girl is just a friend or acquaintance.

by the way, i don't think you really could not have helped the girl. you getting involved would simply have given the police a greater possibility to substantiate their accusation of prostitution, and another target to hassle, and one with deeper pockets. you.

if you feel for the girl, why don't you simply give her more business, and the opportunity to earn the money she claims she lost back. that's also helping her, and just in case she is embellishing the facts a little, you won't end up being a sucker, unless you have reason to trust her implicitly.

lj

[QUOTE=Liljoey;1174573]police[/QUOTE]This reminds me when I was "arrested" by three large (I am myself large, but they were larger than me!) and vicious-looking plainclothes cops in a mall in Chisinau during an identity control; as I didn't carry my passport, they asked me to follow them outside, and took me to their car, a trashy old Mercedes, a real piece of shit. It was pretty scary to be in such a confined space with three guys that looked really like your typical FSU vicious flatheads. They said that if I didn't pay a 50 euros fine, we'll have to go to my apartment to verify my visa and identity. I worried a bit thinking that they could be "bad cops" (I knew they were not usurpers) but recovered my confidence and my sense of humour and agreed on that rather than to pay the bride.

On the way to my place, the car run out of gas, so we all four (!) took a Lada taxi to the next gas station, were they filled three old plastic bottles, as they had no jerry can. The suckers even tried to borrow me money to pay the gas! LOL. The taxi took us back to the Mercedes, that difficultly restarted (it was something like minus 15°C). Arriving at my apartment (because of the snow, there was lot of traffic, so it lasted an eternity) thry stayed on the doorstep and I showed them my passport, but they continued to hassle me, semi-joking that my passport was false, that I was in Moldova for women trafficking, that I maybe hid drugs in my place, ect. They were pretty upset as the more assertions they made the more ironic I was. One even took notes of everything I answered! It was like back in good old Soviet era when KGB harassed people. Anyway after some ten minutes they finally leaved.

The whole thing lasted maybe one hour.

In fact it was entertaining. During the first minutes, I was a bit worry, but this kind of adrenaline rushes is part of a trip in "deep" FSU!

Guys, please advise, if you have advices![/QUOTE]Mind your own business!

A brief summary of my trip

Almost all of my good RP contacts are in Moscow at the moment.

Mamba was pretty useless and girls I met were not very good looking.

Although I did meet a stunner via an Agency.

Student girls are on exams at end of June, another pain.

TravelGirls. Com was a pretty good resource for working and non-working Girls.

Rio is still good value for money and some real beauties to be found here

You should know, girls of all ages would like to have a piggish relation with coffe-milk skin men (one, two or three at the same time) : this is true for Italian women, this is true for Ukrainian girls, this is true with everywhere girls, this is the women's erotic dream, even if they always answer the opposite!

For my experience around the world, Americans didn't impressed me at all, and clever Italians are rare. Instead, Irishes are the best ones when the feeling is bastard.

[QUOTE=Prosal; 1172931]I hate clichees, but "Italiano" is a running joke among girls in EE. Italians are well-known for their clumsy game and their cultural unawareness. All talk no action, and furthermore always in groups, unable to stand solo (unlike Americans, to their tribute). That said, it's a generalization. I already met Italians with an excellent game, a good cultural knowledge, and able to pick-up solo. Nonetheless one thing is certain, it's that EE devushki usually prefer the olive-skinned "latino" type of guy to the livid white-pale typical westerner.

You could try to present yourself as French. It's often synonym of rafinement, romantism, intelligence and cultural enlightening. (wink)[/QUOTE]

I explain that post.

That's just an example of a "sweet" girl making unbelievable things for cheap prices. She is the Romanian be* working in my home area, she swallows sperm (in apnea) for 20 euros, she receives multiple fistings at the same time for 100 euros / hour, gangbang (I mean everything Max Hardcore could imagine) for 300/350 euros / night (maybe less for bastards). Nontheless she is smart (she speaks 5 foreign languages).

The point is: it is sure, men could find at least one young, nice, clever, piggish, cheap prostitute in the same home area. Therefore it doesn't make sense to travel around the world and to waste time and money for prostitutes and freebies who are worth almost zero?

[QUOTE=Acolonizer;1169943]Is anybody interested in this girl? What would you like to do with her? (It is her surname in picture titles.)[/QUOTE]

LOL.

I just posted a question about travelgirls, so how was your experience with it? Did you meet any girl in person?

[QUOTE=Immy007; 1174789]A brief summary of my trip

Almost all of my good RP contacts are in Moscow at the moment.

Mamba was pretty useless and girls I met were not very good looking.

Although I did meet a stunner via an Agency.

Student girls are on exams at end of June, another pain.

TravelGirls. Com was a pretty good resource for working and non-working Girls.

Rio is still good value for money and some real beauties to be found here[/QUOTE]

Is it true that it is no longer allowed to smoke in public / on the street in Kiev? What about in the clubs?

[QUOTE=Epicurus;1175452]Is it true that it is no longer allowed to smoke in public / on the street in Kiev? What about in the clubs?[/QUOTE]People smoke everywhere, even though there's a law and there are many restrictions. Officially you cannot smoke on the beach, in the park, in the elevator, near children playground, bus stop and 50 metres around it, church etc. Every time I was at Kreshatik street and was sitting at the bench, someone next to me was smoking. Restaurants have two areas. Smoking and non-smoking.