Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=David_33;1747437]Sounds about correct. I agree with your thinking and am doing the same, here is what she sent me regarding costs:

"Hi, I just got home from the school together with my two girls classmate theyre pretty but I am more pretty.

I'm there to take the exam and they went to the school to get their schedule because they take early, and they got 25 units, they get the coarse my dream coarse HM, and they paid 28 K because HM is more on skills like cooking, and I do love cooking at the same time.

Thats the semester cost - 28 k.

For my fare for 1 month-5 k because Saturday have class.

School uniform and p. E is not a problem because I can I adjust my sis uniform.

School supply-1 k the left I will buy bag.

And for my school shoes-1 k because I want a school shoes have heels so I will be look sexy.

Books -3 k but if they recommend us the book and my sis have it already I won't buy because I am a saver, I don't want to waste and I don't want to abuse my sponsor that's why if I can find way to save I will."[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback. The Davao girl told me her fees are 30000 per semester and I asked her why she accepted 6000 when she knew that would be not enough. She just said something is better than nothing and would rely on her parents. When someone is genuine like that you can't help but be accommodating so I bumped my commitment to her up to 8000 per month. As a comparison I had been talking to a Butuan girl (who I never met) who said her fees were around 12000 per semester. One of the Cebu girls told me 22000 per semester. So does depend on city and college. But agree 8000 per month probably is a more realistic minimum budget.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1747367] Sorry Mr tall Australian man, maybe I could have saved you some misery and money.
[/QUOTE]Since you believe the guy will end up miserable am I correct to infer you felt miserable? If this is accurate then I think spending any time and money to feel this way is a bad investment.

Re your budget, I think any sum won't buy a girl's loyalty; that has to be given freely and willingly. I known girls who claim to receive much more than the sum you provide and they're screwing any bloke they chose. Some girls have told me of their sponsors' monitoring efforts such as daily video chats for hours, putting them in residences with a maid or other person who reports on their comings and goings, GPS tracking of their mobiles, etc. Seems like a lot of aggravation and stress for the sponsor and the result is the girl is still able to wiggle free. To them is becomes a game.

Given a pretty girl on a dating site receives dozens if not hundreds of messages daily, many of which propose sponsorship, the girl knows she has options. Plenty of them.

If one becomes a sponsor I think it's best one accepts there is no control over another person. Perhaps look at her as part-time employee who is allowed to pursue other employment opportunities. Let's say one spends p100k per year for four 1-week visits. That's approx. p3600 per day - not expensive - and you have certainty of a beautiful girl. Of course if she doesn't turn up or is meeting another guy during your visit that will be problematic. That's the risk.

Anyway, I appreciate sponsors like you because it gives the girl an education, sustenance, and, most importantly, plenty of free time to do what she wishes. Thank you.

[QUOTE=David_33;1747437]Sounds about correct. I agree with your thinking and am doing the same, here is what she sent me regarding costs:

I'm there to take the exam and they went to the school to get their schedule because they take early, and they got 25 units, they get the coarse my dream coarse HM, and they paid 28 K because HM is more on skills like cooking, and I do love cooking at the same time.

That's the semester cost- 28 k.

For my fare for 1 month-5 k because Saturday have class.

School uniform and p. E is not a problem because I can I adjust my sis uniform.

School supply-1 k the left I will buy bag.

And for my school shoes-1 k because I want a school shoes have heels so I will be look sexy.[/QUOTE]Seems a reasonable estimate David. You know the costs also.

For the newbies read on:

Fees depend on the course, the school, the number of units taken. Then ass in 'supplies', 'snacks' plus some have to pay for exams as well. Transport to and from (could be many jeepneys) and if they are a long ay maybe room / accommodation (dorm type).

Booms. Usually IMHO these are what the professor suggests and this means his / her book plus you buy from the college. Uniform prices can be higher depends how many are needed 0 and you van ask her but extra for your fun an games (and to shorten if that's your way of enjoyment LOL).

Allowance? 6 k is poor as I know sponsors give their ladies 4 k a week and that includes foo etc so 2 k a week won't go far unless you pay for the room as well separately.

All depends on the school and to a degree where they are living etc.

HRM, Tourism and Nursing to be avoided. The latter is a great degree but too many graduate no work and overseas prospects dwindling due to localization and competition IMHO - (see Red Kilt and GE's posts) plus Gangles wrote some useful advice only.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1747367]My approach was (and still is) to seek a girl for sponsorship.

SNIP

This lasted 1 year with trips every 3 months. It ended when I caught her with another sponsor.

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[QUOTE=Hutsori;1747638]Since you believe the guy will end up miserable am I correct to infer you felt miserable? If this is accurate then I think spending any time and money to feel this way is a bad investment.

Re your budget, I think any sum won't buy a girl's loyalty; that has to be given freely and willingly. I known girls who claim to receive much more than the sum you provide and they're screwing any bloke they chose.

Anyway, I appreciate sponsors like you because it gives the girl an education, sustenance, and, most importantly, plenty of free time to do what she wishes. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I'm with Huts here. Careful with sponsorship: It always comes with strings. Your string: her loyalty. Her string: just the opposite. Quite a few of us have experienced an afternoon (or multiple nights) with a pinay who is being sponsored by a foreigner who is unaware of his girl's quiet exploits. For a primer, please read this post (mine, Filipinas. Opinions and Advice thread, page32, from July 19 2014, #3688 [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1511-Filipinas-Opinions-and-Advice&p=1596636&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1596636). In fact, read the posts below that from RK, TW, and Huts (#3690) regarding such.

Lying is a real part of pinoy culture. As long as you are OK with the idea that she will have other sponsors, and / or a pinoy boyfriend on the side, then its all good. Short of that, people get hurt.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1747698]I'm with Huts here. Careful with sponsorship: It always comes with strings. Lying is a real part of pinoy culture. As long as you are OK with the idea that she will have other sponsors, and / or a pinoy boyfriend on the side, then its all good. Short of that, people get hurt.[/QUOTE]Thanks Westcoast and Huts for the feedback. I expected some skepticism about the merits of this strategy. I have two points I would like to raise in response:

(1) My philosophy is "trust and verify".

I have been around Asian culture for all of my life.

It never ceases to amaze me an Asian cultural theme of a lack of trust and short term thinking about relationships (other than family ie guanxi). Its a reason I just can't see Asia being the economic powerhouse of the future it is sold as.

Who knows what the mix of appreciative genuine sponsorettes vs manipulative cheaters is!

But the day I stop giving people a chance is the day I become a hermit.

(2) Part time mongers like myself (both in effort possible pre visit and how often I visit) can never replicate the success of some of the FR's here. It is easy to underestimate the benefits of (a) being at the right place and the right time (b) the power of a network built through time and money. Sponsorship takes effort but less than a full on ST chatmates strategy. I sometimes doubt the chatmate approach (sponsor or short term) vs just turning up in Manila and relying on P4P. Every time.

I have tried a open up DIA now and find someone to meet today approach, I have always fallen back to P4 P bars. Every time I have successfully barfined on Burgos (ok yes I have no FR maybe my next one) I wake up with little change from 10 K. So sponsorship is 10 days of Burgos P4 P based upon Huts 100 K per year sponsorship proposal. But as I said I have met some really nice looking girls on Burgos that would pass my sponsorship quality test (example attached). So really wonder sometimes whether chatmates is worth the effort. Sponsorship I propose is the halfway point (from an effort perspective) between full on ST chatmates and P4 P.

So if us gullible foreign sponsors results in less students having to work at Jolibees and have more time to meet more time rich mongers. Then maybe that is the cost we have to wear. But of course verify. Randomly check chatmate websites, review their facebook profile etc. That's not possessiveness that's just doing your best to minimise being the sucker.

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The 'auto-correct' intelligence has problems with URLs. It adds spaces after periods and even at times after alpha-numeric characters. It'll put the URL tag somewhere within the address rather than at the end of it. Google map addresses really cause it fits.

A preview post is a good way to catch and correct the errors.

Bleh. The dating websites are a joke. Every decent-looking girl I've talked to on them is a scammer, pretty much. Just going to go to the Phils in early August and see what happens. My salary is pretty high, I'm in the highest tax bracket, anyway, it's also location independent. I'm not so much into scoring tons of 7's, as I am getting a few model-tier girls. Surely there has to be some girls there who are both hot and decent, eh?

Guess we'll see. Will update with an FR in 3 weeks or so.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1747610]CB = Cherry Blossoms. I also have / do use FC=Filipino Cupid. Others here report using PL=Pinay Love. I used to use DIA = Date in Asia but my account was closed for copy and pasting and for the life of me I can't seem to open a new account (it is detecting both my landline IP address and my mobile wifi IP address. Even tried a VPN and it detected it was a VPN IP address. I was going to reopen it when I was in the Philippines (with a new IP address) but my guess is once I logged back on with my banned IP address it would close it down again). If DIA put as much effort into blocking people using its website as its actual website functionality. It would be a world beater. If anyone can please explain DIA's business model. Please enlighten me.

In my profile I don't specifically mention sponsorship. But what you write there probably is irrelevant anyway because they don't read it. If after initial contact I think I am interested I will straight away be upfront that I am sponsorship not marriage. 50% drop away. I am a big believer in karma. If you give out crap, crap will come back to you. So I never advocate misleading or wasting a girls time. It would be very easy to promise the world (sponsorship or marriage) and then once you have conquered the mountain move on. From the feedback I get from many girls I have chatted. This is a very common tactic. Good luck to the mongers who do that (and for your sake I hope I am wrong about karma)..[/QUOTE]Great reply! Thanks!

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1747848]Bleh. The dating websites are a joke. Every decent-looking girl I've talked to on them is a scammer, pretty much. Just going to go to the Phils in early August and see what happens. My salary is pretty high, I'm in the highest tax bracket, anyway, it's also location independent. I'm not so much into scoring tons of 7's, as I am getting a few model-tier girls. Surely there has to be some girls there who are both hot and decent, eh?

Guess we'll see. Will update with an FR in 3 weeks or so.[/QUOTE]Ima - Good luck. Hopefully, you aren't as douchey in person as you come across through your typing. (not trying to insult you, but giving you honest feedback.).

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1747610]I used to use DIA = Date in Asia but my account was closed for copy and pasting and for the life of me I can't seem to open a new account (it is detecting both my landline IP address and my mobile wifi IP address. Even tried a VPN and it detected it was a VPN IP address. I was going to reopen it when I was in the Philippines (with a new IP address) but my guess is once I logged back on with my banned IP address it would close it down again). [/QUOTE]You might try again with DIA with a VPN account and a new email address. DIA used to block my VPN, but recently in the past 6 months (not sure exactly when) - it works when I am logged on via VPN. (my account was never blocked, just couldn't log in while using VPN.).

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1747698]
Lying is a real part of pinoy culture. As long as you are OK with the idea that she will have other sponsors, and / or a pinoy boyfriend on the side, then its all good. Short of that, people get hurt.[/QUOTE]I personally know a woman in a northern Luzon city who has 3 (three) devoted sponsors each sending her a substantial monthly allowance so that she will stay in the province and not return to the bar in Manila from whence she came. Each guy plans to marry her, but none of them know about each other because she is ultra smart. They don't know that she will never marry any of them.

She meets them in Manila when they visit, and sometimes even supplements their donations with an extra day or two in Manila freelancing.

Her reasoning? "If these guys are stupid enough to send me money every month, why shouldn't I take advantage of it? I can help my family have a comfortable life".

[QUOTE=Skogis;1747100]I am very excited for my upcomming trip though (in a few days) as I have done some changes in my overnighting crowd. [/QUOTE]Skogis - Man, I don't know where you get the energy to travel and f*ck as much as you do. I think we are similar ages, but traveling on planes kill me and I'm only good for 1-2 rounds per day (max).

Seems like you are finishing posting about your last trip and a few days later talking about the next one. More power to you (not in a negative or sarcastic way).

[QUOTE=Random99;1748097]Skogis - Man, I don't know where you get the energy to travel and f*ck as much as you do. I think we are similar ages, but traveling on planes kill me and I'm only good for 1-2 rounds per day (max).

Seems like you are finishing posting about your last trip and a few days later talking about the next one. More power to you (not in a negative or sarcastic way).[/QUOTE]Early 40 ies is the new early 20 ies my man, hehe. But seriously my libido never been higher and maybe except from I was actually in the twenties I've never been in better shape so I have a high energylevel. Planerides is my chillout spot both on my way to mongeringparadise and back (ofcourse it helps to be tucked in by the windows in biz class all the time and just sleep sleep).

Verify what? Do you mean verify that she is using the money the way you want her to use the money? That makes sense.

Or do you want to control her sex and romantic life? And why would you want to do that if you don't have "boots on the ground"? Is it just old fashioned jealousy / male ego, or do you want to marry the lady? Some might call that a fool's errand. On the other hand, Filipinos do seem to use jealousy / chastity at a whole different level than the typical Westerner.

I'm not trying to be abrasive, I just can't get my head around the whole idea of P4 P sponsorship.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder? Do they have some equivalent expression in the Philippines. Where is RK, our Tagalog linguistic guru?

We all have different approaches, budgets, time constraints, kinks, ages, fashions, charisma and I could go on and on. One of the pleasures of reading here is that there are so may different angles used. X.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1747719]Thanks Westcoast and Huts for the feedback. I expected some skepticism about the merits of this strategy. I have two points I would like to raise in response:

(1) My philosophy is "trust and verify". SNIP SNIP [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1747848]Bleh. The dating websites are a joke. Every decent-looking girl I've talked to on them is a scammer, pretty much. Just going to go to the Phils in early August and see what happens. My salary is pretty high, I'm in the highest tax bracket, anyway, it's also location independent. I'm not so much into scoring tons of 7's, as I am getting a few model-tier girls. Surely there has to be some girls there who are both hot and decent, eh? Guess we'll see. Will update with an FR in 3 weeks or so.[/QUOTE]Hmm. Well, I'd offer a little different perspective. I wouldn't say they are a joke just because you're not finding model-tier girls that are willing to fuck a stranger, monied or otherwise. First off, I rarely see model-tier's in person, or on the sites. (I'm not in Manila). Secondly, I don't know what you consider a 7, but I would rate the one below about a 7 in looks. But I would say she's both hot and decent, and many would probably consider her a 9+. She's 18, beautiful, was a virgin when I met her. Now she's one of the most sensual, sexual, loving creatures I ever been with, and she shags like a pro. Says they watch sex videos on their cell phone because rumor has it that if you're no good in the sack, you WILL be sacked. And I'm in the lowest tax bracket and she don't care.

So I would say it's possible, but it may take a little on-the-ground work. I never spent more than a few hours a month, and never went out of my way. Also looks are deceiving, the pictures they post are more of a joke than the sites are. Some of the prettiest pictures belong to the funkiest of the girls, and some of the plainest pics belong to some of the hottest.

And they have no idea what their weight is. 42 kilograms means 55. And they lie about their age. This one said she was 22 but she's 18. I met one that was plain looking in her picture and listed as 24 yo. She showed up and she was unreal hot. Smoking little college student in her Catholic uniform, all of 17 years old. I asked her why she said she was 24, she said because 17 is too young. I said I agree, see you in January for your Devo.