Makati

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3003827]Digs in the Makati area near Burgos. Second pic is the rough map area of the first pic. Thanks to the little birdie for the aerial pic. All of these things are about a 5-7 minute walk from Burgos (depends traffic congestion on Makati Ave).

A. City Garden Hotel.

B. City Garden Grand Hotel.

C. Gramercy Residences.

D. Trump Tower.

E. Century Mall.

F. Fersal Neptune Hotel.

G. Durban St.

H. Milano, Knightsbridge and Spire Residences.

J. Makati Ave.

K. Lourdes Suites Hotel.

L. To Burgos St, 1 block.[/QUOTE]Was your photo taken from the Citadel? It could be hotel #M if it wasn't such a dump inside. The upsides are that it's a great location, opposite the 7/11, right on Burgos, and probably the cheapest hotel in the area.

Only recommended as an overnight crash pad.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3003863]Was your photo taken from the Citadel? It could be hotel #M if it wasn't such a dump inside. The upsides are that it's a great location, opposite the 7/11, right on Burgos, and probably the cheapest hotel in the area.

Only recommended as an overnight crash pad.[/QUOTE]Not taken from the Citadel, but that's a good guess. Agree with your assessment of Citadel. It was one of the first places I stayed in Manila 2 decades ago, and my first impression of the unit was: Dated, needs a makeover! That was then, and nothing has been updated. Also the world's slowest elevators. Plan to wait in the lobby at the elevator for several minutes when you want to get up to your room (or vice versa).

Additionally I got c*ck-blocked (well, ISG-blocked) with the error warning several times this morning (over several hours) visit the site. Tried also several different VPN locations, no luck. Similar yesterday.

More Database errors today. Back in biz now. A pic to celebrate. Usually if you gain 70 lbs you don't like the way that feels. But in this case, I liked it a lot.

I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.

I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.

On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.

P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.

Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.

That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans, I wanted to share my information about it:

I booked a 18 year old for 2 hours to come to my hotel.

Damage was 6 k. What I didn't like was that they told me for all the girls a condom is mandatory and not negotiable, but I read something else online. Indeed, the girl only offered covered sex and no anal.

She used too much lube so I couldn't feel anything, and for the price I paid the experience is not worth it.

Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.

The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.

I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up!

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004090]I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.

I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.

On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.

P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.

Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.

That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans, I wanted to share my information about it:

I booked a 18 year old for 2 hours to come to my hotel.

Damage was 6 k. What I didn't like was that they told me for all the girls a condom is mandatory and not negotiable, but I read something else online. Indeed, the girl only offered covered sex and no anal.

She used too much lube so I couldn't feel anything, and for the price I paid the experience is not worth it.

Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.

The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.

I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up![/QUOTE]Who did you see from Manila courtesans? I've used them before with positive experience, and the convenience is good. Service is supposed to be covered, but the girls sometimes do different, especially if you don't have your own condoms with you. I'm curious who you saw. I have just a few hours when I arrive and thought about using them, but haven't decided yet. I messaged them about reserving Amie, but it's a crap shoot because no place for reviews on their girls.

I will say that your price point of 3 k for a freelancer is about the bare starting rate for a decent girl. Most are 4 k or higher that you will find online, in my experience (which isn't as much as Westie or G). In the end, it is more about convenience. The more convenient the options are (meaning the less time you spend searching or out on the ground), the more expensive it will be for you. For me, I'm not a baller, and I don't make it rain, but I also realize that most of the girls working a sales job make about 6-10 k per month. As such, 6 k may be a lot to them, but it isn't to me. I'm not rich, and I do have a budget, but I'm not going to go for vacation there and not have fun because of it, either.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004090]I'm here in Makati, but not liking it at all.

I can't seem to find those slim young girls that Mdemde and WestCoast are posting here for the right price.

On PinaLove it's mostly scams, ladyboys or obese women.

P. Burgos I don't like to spend 10 k for ST.

Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online.

That's when I decided I will try the escort service ManilaCourtesans.

Unfortunately here, the streetgirls are mostly MILF's or dirty, and I wouldn't touch them with a stick.[/QUOTE]Hi Extra,

I really only use Makati as an arrival and departure service.

And despite not doing the bars on Burgos for talent, I've always been provided with some action.

I haven't tried Manila Courtesans but there are a few other escort websites where mandatory condom requirements aren't stipulated.

I've really only used Pina in typical non-mongering areas like Boracay and often don't have the time for it when there's opportunities just outside.

I wouldn't dismiss some of the FL's on the street though.

On my last stay in March I went outside the room for some fresh air at 1 am in the morning and had an unbelievable girl in my bed an hour later for 2 k, plus a 1 k tip when she left the next morning.

I'm catching up with her again soon.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004090]

Most nights I stay alone because I am not willing to spend more than 3 k for a freelancer online..

The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.

I am in Makati, so if someone wants to meet or hunt together, or show me a secret or two, hit me up![/QUOTE]I'd agree that 3 k for an attractive freelancer in Makati is a touch light. My price is 4 k LT. Others may be getting it cheaper but that would be based heavily around friends and family referrals or repeat business for existing contacts.

KTVs are probably the most expensive option in Manila. It's been years since I've been in one but I could see 10 or 20 k just being the start of the night and often only includes company or talking. Stunningly beautiful girls but if you have any sort of budget, then just stay away.

Working online doesn't have to be a long drawn out process. In big cities, with lots of options, like Manila or Cebu, I can have a girl in a taxi in 30 or 60 minutes. The steps are simple: be in town, ready to go now (none of this see you next month BS); peak times are midday or after 10 pm (forget about early mornings); your profile needs to include a photo, real or not, and that your location is Makati, Malate etc; set your search radius to 10 or 15 miles; message girls directly with your intentions without being insulting; be in a hotel or condo that is easy for her to find or get to; have a budget but don't give off Cheap Charlie vibes or go without for the sake of saving P500. Don't block girls quoting 10 or 15 k today. Be firm but polite with your bid price, thank them and move on. It's not at all unusual for them to return in a couple of days agreeing to your original offer.

Have fun. G.

P.S. I should have mentioned the option of taking a hit to the budget once in a bar but then getting the girl's number for much cheaper visits off the books or on the way to work.

G.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004090]The young cute spinners I sometimes see are in KTV's and JTV's down in Malate but the prices are exorbitant. Can't imagine WestCoast, Goferring, Mdemde and other veterans of this forum are willing to spend that.[/QUOTE]Good advice from Go. Not going to give you any advice here, just some thoughts regarding the scene (s). You mentioned several common approaches for Manila: Street FL, gogo bar girls, escort services, and online FL. All of these are niches in the get-a-girl-tonight system. Covid hit and changed things. Only the gogo bar scene on Burgos remains at roughly the same price point as precovid. Pre- and post-covid, most Burgos bars were around p3900 for the barfine (paid to the bar to take the girl) + morning tip of around p5000 (paid to the girl in full at the time of her departure from your residence IF she performed as agreed). Thats around p9000. Add in any drinks in the bar, and it might be around p10 k.

For all of the other said niches, the price point not only went up, it expanded. To explain by example. Precovid most Burgos streetwalkers were willing to ST for p1500-2000. Covid caused a 2 year hiatus from the game as the government shut down most everything. Post covid (adding inflation), lets say the price went up by p1000. You would think that the new prices would be 2500-3000. But it became (at least for a while) worse than that, it was p2500-4000. That's not only a 66% increase for the base price (1500 to 2500), but a 100% increase for the upper limit (2000 to 4000). That sounds nuts, right? From a percentage perspective, it is. Covid not only pushed prices up by 65-ish%, it also doubled the upper limit. So you have a healthy increase in price, and a much larger increase in the range.

The other niches were similar. And worse. Unlike some countries have systems where there is a standard price list (Germany's FKK, gogos in Thailand, termas in S America), in Phils there is no price list on the wall for you to get an accurate picture of the cost (except Burgos gogo bars, its not on the wall, but its usually standardized in every bar and across most bars, and we discuss the prices here). Worse even is that outside of the gogos, all the FL systems are questionable in what quality you get in service. You are meeting each girl for the first time, you have no idea her service energy for the price you've agreed to up front. Did you contact an agency that requires you to do something you don't want to do? Is that the agency's fault?

You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.

I would feel comfortable telling you to go to Germany for your 1-2 week visit, as its a known quantity, things are standardized, everyone has a good time for a reasonable price. Philippines is nicknamed the "Wild West of Sex" for a reason: Things are less standardized, you get ripped off sometimes (its part of the game), and its wildly fun at other times (more fun that in some of the other countries where I've been, where the sex is mechanical, or condom-ized, and there is little / no relationship with the girl.

A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post. Having been a 2-week warrior here for over a decade, and then an expat after, I can tell you that they are 2 different worlds for mongers. Expats aren't always seeking new fresh meat (as warriors do). As a warrior, or expat, you will find that once a girl is with you the first time (or 2 x), if she likes you, she may be willing to see you regularly for a reduced price. We hear prices discussed from fellas who talked to Burgos SW or LA Cafe FL asking startlingly high amounts of money (at least at first offer), knowing that the same girl might be getting with 1 or 2 expats a week for much less. Is she p3000ST on the street? She's probably p1500 (or even less, depending) with her expats. To her, she is comfortable with them, and getting a small steady stream of money each week is better than risking getting nothing this week by staying in the street. Some of the girls I've posted in the past year are in exactly that position. Expensive gogo bar girls can fall into a similar category also. You were correct, I don't pay that much for them, but they are long-time repeats. If I was hunting fresh meat, I'd be in the same position as you.

Finally, a last option, mentioned here before. Approach your hotel security guard, tell him you are looking for a girl. He might ask you specifics (ie, her age limit). Later he will pull you aside and tell you he has someone, and he will tell you her price (say, pX,000). Of course he will expect a tip also after the ditty.

I think this is a lot of discussion that didn't help you. Having said it before, and saying it again: We are all (warriors especially) paying more since covid recovery. Hot FL will run p3-5 k for ST. That's NOT an exact range. You might get lucky at p2000. Or unlucky she won't go for less than 7000. There is no price list, and there are few hotties waiting around to smash temp warriors for a handful of centavos.

[QUOTE=Aml3740;3004179]Who did you see from Manila courtesans? I've used them before with positive experience, and the convenience is good. Service is supposed to be covered, but the girls sometimes do different, especially if you don't have your own condoms with you. I'm curious who you saw. I have just a few hours when I arrive and thought about using them, but haven't decided yet. I messaged them about reserving Amie, but it's a crap shoot because no place for reviews on their girls.[/QUOTE]I booked Amie, 18 years old. From the looks, she is indeed a stunner, but very reserved. Still very new on the job.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3004187]On my last stay in March I went outside the room for some fresh air at 1 am in the morning and had an unbelievable girl in my bed an hour later for 2 k, plus a 1 k tip when she left the next morning.[/QUOTE]Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3004241]Working online doesn't have to be a long drawn out process. In big cities, with lots of options, like Manila or Cebu, I can have a girl in a taxi in 30 or 60 minutes. The steps are simple: be in town, ready to go now (none of this see you next month BS); peak times are midday or after 10 pm (forget about early mornings); your profile needs to include a photo, real or not, and that your location is Makati, Malate etc; set your search radius to 10 or 15 miles; message girls directly with your intentions without being insulting; be in a hotel or condo that is easy for her to find or get to; have a budget but don't give off Cheap Charlie vibes or go without for the sake of saving P500. Don't block girls quoting 10 or 15 k today. Be firm but polite with your bid price, thank them and move on. It's not at all unusual for them to return in a couple of days agreeing to your original offer.

Have fun. G.

P.S. I should have mentioned the option of taking a hit to the budget once in a bar but then getting the girl's number for much cheaper visits off the books or on the way to work.

G.[/QUOTE]I curated around 50+ numbers on Whatsapp. I'm pushing them hard to meet up every day, like right now, but most of them pass and scheduling something is hard because they rarely show.

While scheduling a time and date they stop responding half way. One girl I even messaged the last 7 days every day, after she agreed to meet 1 week ago, but the meetings never happened because something else had come inbetween or they just answer me days later. I couldn't find the "spontaneous one" yet.

EDIT: and just right now as I am writing a text, another girl I had made an appointment in 30 minutes just texted me: "sorry I can't come today, my cellphone broke. Let's meet tomorrow".

Usually, I have a new girl lined up for every day, but when a girl cancels, it's hard to reschedule because I have another one that I am supposed to meet the next day.

Sometimes I've encountered scams too. Lost 6000 p combined on various girls for sending them their transportation cost through GCash, then they blocked me.

On PinaLove, sharing your intentions cannot get you blocked?

Same with Thaifriendly, I always tried to get them to Line messenger first and then talk business there. Do you make your price offer in the first message?

Just yesterday, Saturday night I hit P. Burgos again.

One girl made an offer, 3900 barfine, 5000 for her, and I already spent 2100 for drinks and a lapdance. Would have taken her, but she said she would need to return to the bar in less than 2 hours but I wanted LT, so I passed.

In Maison, the waitress was cuter than any other working girl in the club. Unfortunately it is not allowed for the girls to give out their number or contact details to customers, unless I barfine them. But I can't barfine a waitress so I lucked out again. In Lips I couldn't see anything to my liking.

But man, I wish I could meet some of the waitresses from Filling Station restaurant. They are the most stunning girls I ever seen on P. Burgos.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3004295]Unlike some countries have systems where there is a standard price list (Germany's FKK, gogos in Thailand, termas in S America), in Phils there is no price list on the wall for you to get an accurate picture of the cost (except Burgos gogo bars, its not on the wall, but its usually standardized in every bar and across most bars, and we discuss the prices here). Worse even is that outside of the gogos, all the FL systems are questionable in what quality you get in service. You are meeting each girl for the first time, you have no idea her service energy for the price you've agreed to up front. Did you contact an agency that requires you to do something you don't want to do? Is that the agency's fault?

You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.

I would feel comfortable telling you to go to Germany for your 1-2 week visit, as its a known quantity, things are standardized, everyone has a good time for a reasonable price. Philippines is nicknamed the "Wild West of Sex" for a reason: Things are less standardized, you get ripped off sometimes (its part of the game), and its wildly fun at other times (more fun that in some of the other countries where I've been, where the sex is mechanical, or condom-ized, and there is little / no relationship with the girl.

A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post. Having been a 2-week warrior here for over a decade, and then an expat after, I can tell you that they are 2 different worlds for mongers. Expats aren't always seeking new fresh meat (as warriors do). As a warrior, or expat, you will find that once a girl is with you the first time (or 2 x), if she likes you, she may be willing to see you regularly for a reduced price. We hear prices discussed from fellas who talked to Burgos SW or LA Cafe FL asking startlingly high amounts of money (at least at first offer), knowing that the same girl might be getting with 1 or 2 expats a week for much less. Is she p3000ST on the street? She's probably p1500 (or even less, depending) with her expats. To her, she is comfortable with them, and getting a small steady stream of money each week is better than risking getting nothing this week by staying in the street. Some of the girls I've posted in the past year are in exactly that position. Expensive gogo bar girls can fall into a similar category also. You were correct, I don't pay that much for them, but they are long-time repeats. If I was hunting fresh meat, I'd be in the same position as you.[/QUOTE]I remember seeing a post where it said, the base price is 1500-2000 per day or 500 p per shot, but it may be for someone deep in the province.

I know Germany very well because I go there often. But for me personally, I am more accustomed to the street scene in Colombia, where you can finish the deed on-site.

But here in the Philippines I am not a 2-week-warrior, more a 6-month-warrior hehe, I spent some time here already. So I am interested to link up with someone that is here near Metro Manila to talk strategies.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3004295]

You left out some details for Goferring's sniffing nose. How long are you in town? Are you a 2-week warrior? If you are here for a week on your first visit, and you want value for your high-priced trip: A lot of poon, or quality looks, or quality sex -- those are all different things, do you want all three? Then FL might be questionable, and KTV's or gogos might be your only call. Can you afford that? All newbs should pay attention to this paragraph.

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A last thought about niches. The board used to be geared towards 2-week warriors. Since covid a lot more expats post.[/QUOTE]One category that rarely gets discussed is the XLT or good girl who is prepared to work hard to protect her investment / keep her man. WC1's post with Smart Girl Philippines' quote that they may be quiet and demure in public but will work hard in private to keep your stomach full and balls empty is very accurate. Those who are tired of bargirl rip offs or poor performance could give these girls a go. Obviously not suitable for the two day business trip but very viable for a two week millionaire rather than rolling the dice every night trying to find someone new.

I can group the best fucks I have ever had into two very distinct groups: 1/ the wild child pole dancers who were often utterly insane but great fucks while it lasted or 2/ the girls who were prim and proper but did absolutely anything requested behind closed doors and went well beyond their call of duty to keep me happy.

I'm not going to polute the Makati thread with what I'm currently paying in the provinces but if budget is a consideration this is by far the cheapest option overall and especially when $$$ vs quality is concerned.

Something to consider beyond the traditional options.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3004344]WC1's post with Smart Girl Philippines' quote that they may be quiet and demure in public but will work hard in private to keep your stomach full and balls empty is very accurate. SNIP

2/ the girls who were prim and proper but did absolutely anything requested behind closed doors and went well beyond their call of duty to keep me happy.[/QUOTE]Filipinas like turning loose the heat. Get past the shyness. Let her bring a friend on that first date, and pay for everything so she won't think you cheap. Get past the second date. Then typically a clumsy / shy first sex. Following that, you might have trouble keeping up with her. You might find that she can not only handle more times per day than you, but she might *want* more times / day. Might want to bring some bandages for your little head.

There's something about pinay, je ne sais quoi, that makes their sex a bit more vibrant.

Go, you and I should start our own advice thread. DragonSlayer had his own thread. We could call it "Westy-Go", or "Go-West Young Man", or such.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3004387]Filipinas like turning loose the heat. [/QUOTE]Girls have it drilled into them from a young age that they have to work hard to keep their man. They all have cousins and girlfriends who have Pinoy or poriner boyfriends who, often for no reason, walked out for greener pastures. Often these girls will subconsciously think it was because of something that they did (not) do. Pinas can be incredibly insecure.

There will always be a market for guys who want to point and shoot. However, this really is high risk with clock watchers, ST runners, outrageous pricing and poor performers now pretty common. The couple of dinners and polite conversation that you mentioned really can give excellent returns on the initial investment. Not to mention the free externalities: some one who has the smarts to handle travel bookings, can hold a conversation, speaks excellent English, doesn't regard a crop top and micro shorts as formal dress at dinner and doesn't draw stares and comments where ever we go.

Again, not for everyone but an option for those who are dissatisfied with the bar scene.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3004387]

Go, you and I should start our own advice thread. DragonSlayer had his own thread. We could call it "Westy-Go", or "Go-West Young Man", or such.[/QUOTE]If you are serious, then I'm in if you are. 😁.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004307]
Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.[/QUOTE]Mate, right outside City Garden in Makati, so it is possible.

I've found if you keep in touch with your contacts on WhatsApp, and not just hit them up when you're in town, you'll have a better chance.

I'm catching up with this one again soon.

_Phil.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004307]Was that in Manila or a smaller province town? I think, prices in the province are much lower and you can't get away with 2 k here in Manila.[/QUOTE]That p2000 quoted could be anywhere in Phils. P2000 might be an initial offer in the province for a hottie. Or you might strike it rich in Manila for that price (although its generally at the bottom of the ladder). Regarding a province girl getting 2000, that would generally be a kill shot for her. She might be giving quickies to pinoys for 500, and she might have an expat or 2 on the line at 1000. The situation is different.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004307]EDIT: and just right now as I am writing a text, another girl I had made an appointment in 30 minutes just texted me: "sorry I can't come today, my cellphone broke. Let's meet tomorrow".[/QUOTE]Fickle as f*ck, aren't they? We generally discourage guys from chatting up the girls for weeks or months prior to arrival. They agree to meet, then when you arrive: Poof! They are gone. Its better to wait until a day or two before arrival, or even to wait until you are here and then announce your arrival.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004307]On PinaLove, sharing your intentions cannot get you blocked? Same with Thaifriendly, I always tried to get them to Line messenger first and then talk business there. Do you make your price offer in the first message?[/QUOTE]Sharing your monetized intentions on any dating site can not only get you blocked by a girl, but also bumped off the site. Best to get the discussion quickly to WA or other messaging system.

[QUOTE=Extranjero;3004307]I remember seeing a post where it said, the base price is 1500-2000 per day or 500 p per shot, but it may be for someone deep in the province.[/QUOTE]Would like to see that post. Usually we post what we have experienced paying. Other fellas pay more, some pay less. There is often a consensus as to what the normal range is, but you have to read the posts and do your own averaging.