Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Calebasse;2702454]I spent a few days visiting the casas based on the map [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&ll=6.253006598183289%2C-75.5628901233285&z=17&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd[/URL].

A few modifications: the casas open at 10 am (contrary to what is indicated for New Life for example). Locuras is closed. Zendaly and Club de Amigas sexy had the best line-up and more than ten girls and the prices went up a bit (80-85 usd / h). Dulce Compania does not have hot water. New Life is a safe bet with displayed prices and after-the-fact invoicing according to the time spent.

The experience strongly depends on the encounter but it is never disappointing. On the contrary, I had excellent moments.

In short, I find that the casas are the simplest solution as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]If El Centro casa prices are now 80-85 USD per hour, they went up more than a little. I'm pretty sure you mean COP.

[QUOTE=Calebasse;2702454]I spent a few days visiting the casas based on the map [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&ll=6.253006598183289%2C-75.5628901233285&z=17&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd[/URL].

A few modifications: the casas open at 10 am (contrary to what is indicated for New Life for example). Locuras is closed. Zendaly and Club de Amigas sexy had the best line-up and more than ten girls and the prices went up a bit (80-85 usd / h). Dulce Compania does not have hot water. New Life is a safe bet with displayed prices and after-the-fact invoicing according to the time spent.

The experience strongly depends on the encounter but it is never disappointing. On the contrary, I had excellent moments.

In short, I find that the casas are the simplest solution as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]I agree. Casas are the simplest solution. No need to prepare for hours.

Did you find afternoons around 3 PM to be best in terms of quality and quantity?

Found any English speaking girls or any that you decided to take home afterwards?

Any deals for a threesome on premsis?

I have added more than 50 girls as friends on facebook page. However many of them don't respond to my offer of 200 K plus taxi. Is this normal or they playing hard to get?

Also how do I increase this number substantially. I have told them where I am staying, what dates I will be in Medellin but response is very little. My profile has very little info about me and no pics. Should I upload a Brad Pitt pic or what?

I know this Monday is a holiday in Colombia, will nightlife be open at all? Sort of itching to go out after LE sey (no alcohol) and finding out everything was closed this Saturday.

Does anyone know if la isla is open on mondays and tuesdays? Thanks.

[QUOTE=Calebasse;2702454]I spent a few days visiting the casas based on the map [URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?hl=en&ll=6.253006598183289%2C-75.5628901233285&z=17&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd[/URL].

A few modifications: the casas open at 10 am (contrary to what is indicated for New Life for example). Locuras is closed. Zendaly and Club de Amigas sexy had the best line-up and more than ten girls and the prices went up a bit (80-85 usd / h). Dulce Compania does not have hot water. New Life is a safe bet with displayed prices and after-the-fact invoicing according to the time spent.

The experience strongly depends on the encounter but it is never disappointing. On the contrary, I had excellent moments.

In short, I find that the casas are the simplest solution as far as I am concerned.[/QUOTE]320000 cop per hour? You either got completely fleeced or need to come up with a new way of converting cop to usd. 🤦*♂️ lol

That has to be a typo.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2702500]If El Centro casa prices are now 80-85 USD per hour, they went up more than a little. I'm pretty sure you mean COP.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702543]I have added more than 50 girls as friends on facebook page. However many of them don't respond to my offer of 200 K plus taxi. Is this normal or they playing hard to get?

Also how do I increase this number substantially. I have told them where I am staying, what dates I will be in Medellin but response is very little. My profile has very little info about me and no pics. Should I upload a Brad Pitt pic or what?[/QUOTE]First thing: I have had seasoned mongers writing me lately telling me that 200 k is not enough right now. Chicas are all asking for more. My advice is to get into negotiaition with them but it sounds like you are first going to have to get their attention.

Second: I would not advise you to upload a "Brad Pitt" pic. FB could very well flag your account and shut it down. If anything consider putting on sunglasses and and hat and taking a selfie to use as your profile pic.

Third: Speaking for myself only I usually do not start off talking to these chicas in an "all business" way. I do start off saying that I frequent Medellin and then a general timeframe for when I am coming there but I start off with some kind of small talk first, maybe some flirting but I get down to business when I start moving toward setting up a cita. So you are going to then have to lob the ball to them to see what's up. Say something more like "the last chica I was with wanted 200 k plus taxi, how much do you charge?" then you can see what they are willing to negotiate down to.

Lastly. When you say "how do I increase this number substantially"? Are you asking how you increase your chica contacts substantially because the answer is that I did it through putting in the time. I systematically searched the chicas and mongers friends list that I already had for other chicas that look like they were prepagos (three ways I found to tell 1) they have gringos as friends who you have mutual friends with 2) some have a tell-tale photo like sitting on their bed in underwear. Or a photo of them with horns or a devil emoji. Or a photo of them shaded red etc). 3) they have a lot of prepago friends. 4) they have memes on their page about being a prepago or stacks of money etc

I used the desktop / laptop comuter when searching so I could be systematic. Once I found one and she added me I saved her profile in a browser folder I created for that purpose (you cannot do this using a mobile FB app) so that way as I found new ones I do not get so far down the rabbit hole that I got cunfused. I exhaust a chicas friends list then I delete the profile out of that browser folder and move on to the next. Of the chicas have gringo friends that are mongers that is another profile to mine and add the chica friends in that profile to your folder etc etc. Its time consuming and there are no special shortcuts.

Horns and Memes examples

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702543]I have added more than 50 girls as friends on facebook page. However many of them don't respond to my offer of 200 K plus taxi. Is this normal or they playing hard to get?

Also how do I increase this number substantially. I have told them where I am staying, what dates I will be in Medellin but response is very little. My profile has very little info about me and no pics. Should I upload a Brad Pitt pic or what?[/QUOTE]I just got back a couple of weeks ago. I met 5 new FB girls while I was there. Of the 5, I paid (3) 200 k mas taxi and (2) 250 k mas taxi. The reason I paid the 250 k was because the girls were very beautiful and it wasn't worth it to me to argue over $12.50. If I had wanted to, I could have told them thanks for the offer but there are plenty of girls that will come for 200 k, which is true. And maybe they would have come for that price at a later time, or maybe not.

I don't have any pictures of me on my FB account and very little in the way of info. I usually offer to send the chica a pic over Whatsapp or do a video call so that she can see what I look like prior to our first meeting.

I almost never post anything except when I first arrive in Medellin. Once you post that you are on the ground, you will get a lot more attention and many more offers. On my first trip I had about 75 or 100 friends when I arrived. I posted that I was in town and I had like 10 "Hola's" on messenger in the first 24 hours and that was good enough for the whole trip.

At this point I have around 350 friends. I stopped sending out new friend requests a long time ago. I get a few new requests every week. If they are my type they get added. And if not, it makes no difference to me because I already have way more than I will ever meet. I spent many hours in the beginning looking up and adding good contacts. And once you hit around 150 or 200 friends it becomes self sustaining.

Planning to travel Medellin next month for 7 days.

Are there any reliable apps or websites for connecting to prepagos girls.

Please share your experiences if anyone have used online tools. Thank you.

Mojo Bandit,

Thank you for being so helpful and detailing so many steps in your post. I did understand that this requires time but now I am more clearer that this can not be achieved in 2-3 weeks.

Yes, price point seemed to have moved up to 250+taxi. However what surprised me was the general lack of response. I will start slowly again.

You are really a FB pro Amigo.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2702592]First thing: I have had seasoned mongers writing me lately telling me that 200 k is not enough right now. Chicas are all asking for more. My advice is to get into negotiaition with them but it sounds like you are first going to have to get their attention.

Second: I would not advise you to upload a "Brad Pitt" pic. FB could very well flag your account and shut it down. If anything consider putting on sunglasses and and hat and taking a selfie to use as your profile pic.

Third: Speaking for myself only I usually do not start off talking to these chicas in an "all business" way. I do start off saying that I frequent Medellin and then a general timeframe for when I am coming there but I start off with some kind of small talk first, maybe some flirting but I get down to business when I start moving toward setting up a cita. So you are going to then have to lob the ball to them to see what's up. Say something more like "the last chica I was with wanted 200 k plus taxi, how much do you charge?" then you can see what they are willing to negotiate down to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2702203]Tijuana is a place where you go and fuck and eat and leave. I have been going for 32 years and have never spent more than 1 day there. Cross the border from San Diego. Do what you have to do. Then cross right back. Medellin is a place where you can chill and relax and have an actual vacation.[/QUOTE]What he said. And the dope is better in MDE.

Hi,

How do you find girls on facebook?

What to you say to ask for the service?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2702636]...
The reason I paid the 250 k was because the girls were very beautiful and it wasn't worth it to me to argue over $12.50. If I had wanted to, I could have told them thanks for the offer but there are plenty of girls that will come for 200 k, which is true. And maybe they would have come for that price at a later time, or maybe not.
...[/QUOTE]Not sure about your negotiation sequence. You don't have to offend her to let her know what your offer is. You can use a variation of the [B]siempre pago 150/200...[/B] line. Some will come down. I have at least one came down to 200 from 300 automatically after I used it. There is no extra work or overhead to do it. All the basic details are in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702543]I have added more than 50 girls as friends on facebook page. However many of them don't respond to my offer of 200 K plus taxi. Is this normal or they playing hard to get?

Also how do I increase this number substantially. I have told them where I am staying, what dates I will be in Medellin but response is very little. My profile has very little info about me and no pics. Should I upload a Brad Pitt pic or what?[/QUOTE]You will get more help if you provide an example of your negotiation sequence. I have always been told by experienced members not to negotiate until you are here and ready to have the date. Many girls can't keep an appointment for tomorrow, how can they keep an appoint weeks ahead?

Unless you know the girl's price, you can start with 150. I was told by a friend that I will be surprised how many will accept that. There is virtually no downside, and I have been surprised occasionally.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702542]I agree. Casas are the simplest solution. No need to prepare for hours.
[/QUOTE]It all boils down to "How much is your time worth"? If you have no job and can spend hours each night on FB, then your time is worth very little and you make accomplish a lot. If your time is worth a lot, your highest and best use is to visit a casa, get laid, then party with your friends.

Same thing about travelling by air. How much are you saving by booking a connecting instead of a direct flight? You will spend 3 or more hours in an airport, waiting for a connection, it probably is not worth $100, and more likely your luggage will get lost.

I am in no way a facebook expert. In fact, the only facebook girls I know are girls that I did not meet on facebook. Now that I disqualified myself from offering advice, I am going to go ahead and offer advice. Like many other subjects discussed here if you read the threads the NASA Engineers who saved Apollo 13 had an easier task compared to scoring facebook dates or getting your dick sucked in a casa. In reality, it is no more complicated than the following: (1) name your price and stick to it. If you want to make it more complicated then you can engage in the seemingly popular game of auction style bidding and justify higher prices by converting the difference into US $ so it seems trivial. Pro tip, as soon as you rationalize a price by converting it to dollars that should be a red flag that you are about to rip yourself off. (2) block out time, lots of it, to build a friends list and once you are here to wait and hope enough dates show up before your trip time runs out. It's a numbers game. You can put the numbers in your favor by building the aforementioned list and by taking a firm stand with the girls that there is a grace period of 15 minutes from the agreed arrival time. Once that grace period is exceeded, there should be no date because you will have moved on to another provider. The alternative is to exchange messages and hope you aren't being strung along while a girl is dealing with some other punter or enjoying her life until she is ready to come take your money. For me personally, I'm happy to pay a premium for something that is extra valuable or convenient. I don't deal with the world of facebook because I rarely have found it to be extra valuable or convenient.

[QUOTE=Tnfsh217;2702287]I will be in Bogota from 1 to 3 and 4 to 7 in Medellin. I have done tons of research. Let me know if you want to join me.[/QUOTE]I am there on those dates and would be great to have a friend.

Had dinner with a seeking girl on Saturday (dry law so couldn't drink that evening). She's 20 years old and I'm quite attracted to her / we had good chemistry and she's chatty in WhatsApp. Didn't sleep with her and no money given besides the cost of that dinner.

She claimed someone had offered 4000 usd per month and I'm not about to pay her that.

I know there isn't a general consensus when it comes to seeking prices, but in general would 250 k-300 k pesos (ppm) be reasonable to offer a young attractive college girl? Also trying the Instagram strategy, so once I get them messaging on WhatsApp I'm curious how much to offer. I'll be here for at least 6 weeks, so time isn't an issue.

[QUOTE=Myslo;2701886]Great advice, thanks!

I realize there's a premium, but I think it may be worth it given the time you save sifting through FB or just going out to Centro and not knowing why you'll get. Sure, there's an element of excitement with these, but I won't have the luxury of time (or game).

I'll be sure to report back.[/QUOTE]No worries I feel you, definitely report back with at least a price update, I don't need the details jajaja.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2702847]It all boils down to "How much is your time worth"? If you have no job and can spend hours each night on FB, then your time is worth very little and you make accomplish a lot. If your time is worth a lot, your highest and best use is to visit a casa, get laid, then party with your friends.

Same thing about travelling by air. How much are you saving by booking a connecting instead of a direct flight? You will spend 3 or more hours in an airport, waiting for a connection, it probably is not worth $100, and more likely your luggage will get lost.[/QUOTE]Over the past 5 years I've probably spent 40-50 hours devoted to finding girls on Facebook and at least half the time was spent in the first month. Now I spend 15-20 minutes per week, all of it reviewing the 20-50 girls who have sent me a friend request.

Before I get on a plane, I can have already have run 100 girls through the lineup and figured out who to call depending on my mood. No viewing fee required. Or I can post a picture standing in front of a jacuzzi and see how many girls want to join me.

Casas are great, but extremely limited. If there's nobody to your liking, pay the fee and walk to another. If you do find a girl who is a gem, you can almost guarantee her attitude and performance won't be great. Not only are you on the clock, but you're limited to the casa's hours and roster.

There's nothing wrong with casas. They are excellent for entry-level mongering. However, there are many other options.

If I drive 7-8 hours I can take a direct flight to Bogota. It's a minimum of a 12 hour drive to get a direct flight to Medellin and then I'm limited to one of the 5'9" and under airlines. So I can waste a day to get a direct flight, save money and be unable to walk for 2 days each way, or I can drive 25 minutes from work, or 2 hours from home and be there quicker.

And they've never lost my luggage.

[QUOTE=Kukuku;2702792]Hi,

How do you find girls on facebook?

What to you say to ask for the service?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]LOL Jajaja. RTFF (Read the Fucking Forum) is the proper answer that should be given to your question. But instead of giving you the proper answer I am going to give you some solid advice. And then a nudge in the right direction.

You see this is a give and take kind of forum and we can see by your one little post that you have not given anything. You have not read the forum becuase all the information can be found in the forum if you study it. In fact all the answers you need are actually in the last few posts on here but it is not spelled out.

The first thing is the advice. Pay for a membership before you come asking questions and having not contributed. Then you get more perks to your search abilities.

The second thing is this: Nounce just mentionted the thread entitled "Reports of Distinction" and that is a short cut to all you seek. The biggest contributuion being Nounce post numbered 210,214, 212.

Freckle has two freckles, not just the one on her pussy, on her otherwise nearly flawless skin.

I was high as a kite during my first skin survey of her so that is my excuse.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2702096]... Also there's a place right opposite the glass covered walkway which I have never used which is supposed to be nice as well..[/QUOTE]You mean this one? This is one of the hotels that give you [B]one[/B] small towel so you can share with the girl. LOL. I don't mean one will get disease or anything like that. It really comes down to what one is accustomed to.

[QUOTE=Gchow;2698598]Group of five of us are heading to Medellin in July for a bachelor's party. We want everything high-end and willing to pay a premium for convenience, quality and the overall experience.

What would the good folks recommend? Hotel? Venues? Clubs? Tips / advice?[/QUOTE]It depends what you consider high end, but for strip clubs I'd just hit up the flashy ones you'll find on this board like Fase II (fun strip club, grab a table), La Isla (same as Fase II, more silicon), and Loutron (more of a high-end house, brothel). If you want to go a step below look at Traverl69's map in the Medellin List section.

For venues, Envy Rooftop is a hopping place and worth checking out. Look online for other nice rooftop views.

For hotel, that depends on you and if you're bringing in girls. Your better bet is to find an airnbnb that is fine with parties and girls (not many of them, but I think more fun for a bachelor party than separate hotel rooms). If you're set on nice hotels, then the Hotel Charlee and Dann Carlton are higher end hotels that are generally ok with girls as long as you're discrete.

For dinners and bouncing around bars, the Parque Lleras area is going to be the most friendly for first timers and have the most options. If you want to go higher end go up the hill towards Provenza. There are some restaurants up that way that will have a beautiful view of the city at night. If you want to party with more locals, then go to La 70 (setenta) in Laureles.

Tips - Don't be showy. Leave the nice watch and jewelry at the hotel, or better yet, in the states. Also try to have cell service and ideally a couple people that can speak some Spanish as English is uncommon in most places.

My two pesos-.

Your making offers with no replies? First question is are you physically in Medellin? Are you ready to meet the same day? If the answer is no to these questions then you are a nuisance to the girls. I can't blame them for not responding. I tell them I am there and would like to meet up. No problem getting responses. No reason to bring up price until you are ready to meet. Lots of guys here like collecting names of Facebook girls and never actually see them. Girls have every right not to bother responding

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702543]I have added more than 50 girls as friends on facebook page. However many of them don't respond to my offer of 200 K plus taxi. Is this normal or they playing hard to get?

Also how do I increase this number substantially. I have told them where I am staying, what dates I will be in Medellin but response is very little. My profile has very little info about me and no pics. Should I upload a Brad Pitt pic or what?[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2702865]I am in no way a facebook expert....

(1) name your price and stick to it. If you want to make it more complicated...[/QUOTE]I think one should set a price first, but should be flexible at the same time. If someone generous is sharing a contact with you, you should stick to the known price out of appreciation, otherwise there is no obligation to stick to a price besides trying to set a price (150 or 200) first.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2702865]
I'm happy to pay a premium for something that is extra valuable or convenient...[/QUOTE]
I offer 150, the girl counters 250, I accept. That is no more than a few minutes even if you counter one more time, whether the girl will show up that is another question.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2702847]It all boils down to "How much is your time worth"? If you have no job and can spend hours each night on FB, then your time is worth very little and you make accomplish a lot. If your time is worth a lot, your highest and best use is to visit a casa, get laid, then party with your friends.

Same thing about travelling by air. How much are you saving by booking a connecting instead of a direct flight? You will spend 3 or more hours in an airport, waiting for a connection, it probably is not worth $100, and more likely your luggage will get lost.[/QUOTE]I agree where you are coming from but there is a certain classiness about ordering a girl to your room while in speedo and watching porn LOL.

And you can right after the deed.

[QUOTE=IamLookin;2702956]Your making offers with no replies? First question is are you physically in Medellin? Are you ready to meet the same day? If the answer is no to these questions then you are a nuisance to the girls. I can't blame them for not responding. I tell them I am there and would like to meet up. No problem getting responses. No reason to bring up price until you are ready to meet. Lots of guys here like collecting names of Facebook girls and never actually see them. Girls have every right not to bother responding.[/QUOTE]Exactly. This is what has mystified me. I offered a price and told them I am here. Can you join me today or tomorrow. No response? And for heaven's sake they are all putas. I can clearly see the telltale signs. Only few asked for more but most did not reply.

No one blocked me, I am still their friend though.

I do not partake in this, but the word I hear from chica is that guys usually pay between 1 million and 2 milliones per month. I know some that have paid a lot more. I imagine you could find someone who does not know their worth, but they have to make money somehow, so beware.

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702900]Had dinner with a seeking girl on Saturday (dry law so couldn't drink that evening). She's 20 years old and I'm quite attracted to her / we had good chemistry and she's chatty in WhatsApp. Didn't sleep with her and no money given besides the cost of that dinner.

She claimed someone had offered 4000 usd per month and I'm not about to pay her that.

I know there isn't a general consensus when it comes to seeking prices, but in general would 250 k-300 k pesos (ppm) be reasonable to offer a young attractive college girl? Also trying the Instagram strategy, so once I get them messaging on WhatsApp I'm curious how much to offer. I'll be here for at least 6 weeks, so time isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]

Would anyone know if orange suites charges for guests, Or is chica friendly.

I was dumb and booked a room on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and I can't cancel it.

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702900]Had dinner with a seeking girl on Saturday (dry law so couldn't drink that evening). She's 20 years old and I'm quite attracted to her / we had good chemistry and she's chatty in WhatsApp. Didn't sleep with her and no money given besides the cost of that dinner.

She claimed someone had offered 4000 usd per month and I'm not about to pay her that.

I know there isn't a general consensus when it comes to seeking prices, but in general would 250 k-300 k pesos (ppm) be reasonable to offer a young attractive college girl? Also trying the Instagram strategy, so once I get them messaging on WhatsApp I'm curious how much to offer. I'll be here for at least 6 weeks, so time isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]In my experience, the really attractive girls will start at 400 k to 600 k per session, but agree to 300 k to 450 k + taxi depending on how hot, popular, or put together (ie educated, used to nice things, good life). You can multiply that by roughly however many times you think you'll be seeing them and if they have other sources of income. For the college girl I'd personally start at 300 k and / or 1.2 M a month. See if she'll be exclusive. The arrangements are a good natured negotiation so maybe you move from there. Of course she'll expect you to pay for nice dinners and some gifts on top of that. I support with some shopping trips or nice perfume from the states. Things they can't get in Colombia and occasional trip. Of note, some less popular girls can be had for 200k if you give them a decent dinner / experience / IG for their friends (just taking a girl to Envy rooftop for one drink, then to your place for example), on the other hand, I've started at 300 k in negotiations for some gorgeous girls before and they were offended enough to block me LOL, but it sounds like you guys clicked so that shouldn't happen.

Medellin has tons of SBs so she has competition on one hand, on the other, a large number of Paisa men have side pieces and there are some pretty rich guys making good offers (or at least I've been told). Good luck!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2702966] See if she'll be exclusive.[/QUOTE]That's a joke, right?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2702966]In my experience, the really attractive girls will start at 400 k to 600 k per session, but agree to 300 k to 450 k + taxi depending on how hot, popular, or put together (ie educated, used to nice things, good life). You can multiply that by roughly however many times you think you'll be seeing them and if they have other sources of income. For the college girl I'd personally start at 300 k and / or 1.2 M a month...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback, I'll negotiate with her and see what happens.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2702962]I do not partake in this, but the word I hear from chica is that guys usually pay between 1 million and 2 milliones per month. I know some that have paid a lot more. I imagine you could find someone who does not know their worth, but they have to make money somehow, so beware.[/QUOTE]Have another Seeking girl right now on WhatsApp; 18 and quite attractive. I offered 300 k and she went off saying never going to happen / good luck / take care, and how she gets 1 million pesos per meet. I'd pay 1 M per month, but per meet is a bridge too damn far. The thing is though, she kept on messaging and said I could make her a better offer. Haven't replied yet, so I'll just let her stew for a bit. Money isn't an issue and I'd for sure pay 1 M (yes I'm an idiot, centro rats) for a hot 18 year old, but it's the principle; plus I'm not in a rush. I think I'll counter with 500 k.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2702966]In my experience, the really attractive girls will start at 400 k to 600 k per session, but agree to 300 k to 450 k + taxi depending on how hot, popular, or put together (ie educated, used to nice things, good life). You can multiply that by roughly however many times you think you'll be seeing them and if they have other sources of income. For the college girl I'd personally start at 300 k and / or 1.2 M a month. See if she'll be exclusive. The arrangements are a good natured negotiation so maybe you move from there. Of course she'll expect you to pay for nice dinners and some gifts on top of that. I support with some shopping trips or nice perfume from the states. Things they can't get in Colombia and occasional trip. Of note, some less popular girls can be had for 200k if you give them a decent dinner / experience / IG for their friends (just taking a girl to Envy rooftop for one drink, then to your place for example), on the other hand, I've started at 300 k in negotiations for some gorgeous girls before and they were offended enough to block me LOL, but it sounds like you guys clicked so that shouldn't happen.

Medellin has tons of SBs so she has competition on one hand, on the other, a large number of Paisa men have side pieces and there are some pretty rich guys making good offers (or at least I've been told). Good luck![/QUOTE]I would add you should expect the chica to be at your beck and call when you are in town, basically exclusively yours, depending on how much time you spend here and how much you are paying. When you are away, assume she is sourcing as many different guys for income as she can no matter what she tells you.

Catgirl and I have evolved into a slightly different plane. She sources other guys and tells me about it. I tell her about all the chicas on my List, when she asks.

She just got back from the DR today after a few weeks with a guy who obviously has more money than me. She put him on the phone when they were on the beach, and we chatted a bit. I thanked him for taking such good care of her.

Hopefully he didn't have a horse dick and stretch her all out for me, jajajajaa. These Colombiana and Vennie pussies snap back amazingly, nothing like what I was used to in the United States. Ostee Out.

Photos: Freckle and I chillin' at the Sante Fe and El Tesoro malls today. Very nice, prices about the same as in the USA.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702961]I agree where you are coming from but there is a certain classiness about ordering a girl to your room while in speedo and watching porn LOL.

A.[/QUOTE]The difference between going to the casas and going in FB is the difference between shopping at the corner convenience market and going on Amazon. You go to the corner convenience market and you settle for the few choices that they have. Of all you want to do is stick your pecker into something wet than by all means it is convenient but if you want to get a little pickier and have choices. Hundreds and hundreds of choices going online is the way to go.

[QUOTE=Kavanozgul;2702878]I am there on those dates and would be great to have a friend.[/QUOTE]There are some real Gringo hucksters out there who will con you. I trust the average Colombian more than I do the others. If someone seems overly eager to "help" you, be doubly cautious.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702961]And for heaven's sake they are all putas. I can clearly see the telltale signs. [/QUOTE]Maybe that has something to do with your response rate, maybe not. If your belief that "they are all putas" bubbles up in your communications with them, then it is relevant.

Call them putas if you have a black & white view. Those girls don't consider themselves even close to being a puta. For them, a puta is a girl who works on the street. The girls you are talking about are on a continuum of girls who will accept money for sex, and that basically includes every adult female in Colombia.

I know some guys believe in a threshold or some imaginary line a girl crosses the second she accepts money or gifts for sex, and that makes her a puta or another word that is banned from this site by admin. You can believe what you want, but if you want better results with the chicas here, don't act like that is your belief.

I've been with more than one girl her, that if I even suggested I was giving them money for sex, they would shut down and refuse. In the end, we have sex and they get the money.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2702954]It depends what you consider high end, but for strip clubs I'd just hit up the flashy ones you'll find on this board like Fase II (fun strip club, grab a table), La Isla (same as Fase II, more silicon), and Loutron (more of a high-end house, brothel). If you want to go a step below look at Traverl69's map in the Medellin List section.

For venues, Envy Rooftop is a hopping place and worth checking out. Look online for other nice rooftop views.

For hotel, that depends on you and if you're bringing in girls. Your better bet is to find an airnbnb that is fine with parties and girls (not many of them, but I think more fun for a bachelor party than separate hotel rooms). If you're set on nice hotels, then the Hotel Charlee and Dann Carlton are higher end hotels that are generally ok with girls as long as you're discrete.

For dinners and bouncing around bars, the Parque Lleras area is going to be the most friendly for first timers and have the most options. If you want to go higher end go up the hill towards Provenza. There are some restaurants up that way that will have a beautiful view of the city at night. If you want to party with more locals, then go to La 70 (setenta) in Laureles.

Tips - Don't be showy. Leave the nice watch and jewelry at the hotel, or better yet, in the states. Also try to have cell service and ideally a couple people that can speak some Spanish as English is uncommon in most places.

My two pesos-.[/QUOTE]Is it for sure that the Dann Carlton is girl friendly?

[QUOTE=Havana927;2702963]Would anyone know if orange suites charges for guests, Or is chica friendly.

I was dumb and booked a room on [URL]booking.com[/URL] and I can't cancel it.[/QUOTE]Report #53675 in this thread has a report about Orange Suites. Appears to be chica friendly.

You are allowed to bring a towel of your own. You don't even have to plan ahead. There are shops within a few doors of the hotels where you can buy a towel for 10,000 pesos or so. A wad of toilet paper after you wash your dick wors too. In a pinch once in Bogota I used my boxer shorts to dry my dick. The girl was terrific looking but the short time hotel was eeeww.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2702952]You mean this one? This is one of the hotels that give you [B]one[/B] small towel so you can share with the girl. LOL. I don't mean one will get disease or anything like that. It really comes down to what one is accustomed to.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2702847]"How much is your time worth"?[/QUOTE]When someone tells me their time is worth X amount of dollars per hour, or minute, or whatever, I reply, "My cellular has a stopwatch, make that amount of money in front of me, right now." Jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2702820]Not sure about your negotiation sequence. You don't have to offend her to let her know what your offer is. You can use a variation of the [B]siempre pago 150/200...[/B] line. Some will come down. I have at least one came down to 200 from 300 automatically after I used it. There is no extra work or overhead to do it. All the basic details are in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/QUOTE]That is exactly the negotiation sequence I use. When the conversation turns to money, my very first line is Siempre pago 150/200 k. The amount I choose to start with depends on several things. Have they been recommended to me and I know how much another monger has paid? How hardcore to they appear to be based on the profile? It is an art not a science after all.

What I was trying to say in the previous post is that I had 2 chicas on this past trip who did not accept my starting point and held firm at 250 k. Could I have spent more time and negotiated lower? Maybe. But once they tell me they have other guys that pay them 250 k mas taxi, it just doesn't make sense to me to haggle over what amounts to 50 k /$12.50 USD. These two girls also happened to be very beautiful and they were on my "to do" list so I really didn't mind.

On the flip side if a girl is not one that I have a particular desire to see and she asks for 250 k or more I just say something to the effect of, you are beautiful so I'm sure you have guys that will pay that amount. I will get back to you if I decide I am willing to pay more than normal. And I stop messaging her. Now it is her decision on if she wants to come down to 150 or 200 k. And I have left her with a compliment so that maybe she doesn't feel offended if she decides to accept less money and see me.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2702916]Over the past 5 years I've probably spent 40-50 hours devoted to finding girls on Facebook and at least half the time was spent in the first month. Now I spend 15-20 minutes per week, all of it reviewing the 20-50 girls who have sent me a friend request.

Before I get on a plane, I can have already have run 100 girls through the lineup and figured out who to call depending on my mood. No viewing fee required. Or I can post a picture standing in front of a jacuzzi and see how many girls want to join me.

Casas are great, but extremely limited. If there's nobody to your liking, pay the fee and walk to another. If you do find a girl who is a gem, you can almost guarantee her attitude and performance won't be great. Not only are you on the clock, but you're limited to the casa's hours and roster.

There's nothing wrong with casas. They are excellent for entry-level mongering. However, there are many other options.[/QUOTE]I spend a little more than 15-20 minutes per week but not more than an hour. In addition to the friend requests I occasionally like to look through the stories so I can see how the ones I have on my radar are looking and maybe even find something new that I like.

Like JJBee said the majority of the total time I have spent was done in the first few weeks before my very first trip to Medellin last year. Whenever I am able to go next I will spend a few hours the week before to get the hot prospect list up to date. Post a picture when I arrive and start setting up citas. There are just so many more options than what you will find in the casas.

I do also like the casas and the advantage there (I'm stating the obvious here) is that you see what you are getting. I think most guys that use FB probably have a story of a girl showing up that looked better in her online pictures than she did upon arrival.

Just trying to get some opinions of other guy's experiences.

Back from another great trip and once again my happiest memories are sessions I had with ones who don't LOOK the hottest but performed the best.

Before a trip I try to line up ones who look amazing but I am always shocked at how they may look great but are often duds.

Meanwhile, that girl who I wouldn't look at twice that I happen to get with (sometimes as a replacement for a flake girl who is a solid 9) leaves me drained, exhausted and happy.

Is this something you've noticed in your travels as well?

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702900]Had dinner with a seeking girl on Saturday (dry law so couldn't drink that evening). She's 20 years old and I'm quite attracted to her / we had good chemistry and she's chatty in WhatsApp. Didn't sleep with her and no money given besides the cost of that dinner.

She claimed someone had offered 4000 usd per month and I'm not about to pay her that.

I know there isn't a general consensus when it comes to seeking prices, but in general would 250 k-300 k pesos (ppm) be reasonable to offer a young attractive college girl? Also trying the Instagram strategy, so once I get them messaging on WhatsApp I'm curious how much to offer. I'll be here for at least 6 weeks, so time isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]Are you wanting quality? A ppm quickie? What kind of hotel are you staying at?

SA. Start at 300 if it's in your budget, 400-700 for someone decent an 8 or 9.

Same for Lleras Park, FB, or any other venue that is not a street girl or online "freelancer" less for downtown SW. Casa girls start at 150-250 Bogota even cheaper. SA or top escorts are the most expensive.

I love how Scarlet is cool with one of her friends spreading her ass for you to fuck her.

I tip my hat to you sir.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2702400]I Don't Know What the Fuck (IDK WTF) is going on, sometimes.
too much of that going on among the chicas on my List. Last night would have been Lexy's second overnight in a row which she never did before, so I wasn't too surprised.

Fotos show three different chicas, Freckle, Scarlet, and one of Scarlet's friends I had not seen in a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2702971]That's a joke, right?[/QUOTE]You'll need to pay more for it, and it's relative, but yes I've had some girls that if I keep them happy I think are quite nearly exclusive. These are girls I've dated who are full time students or have regular jobs as dentists, lawyers, business managers. They don't have a lot of extra time, prefer long term arrangements for safety and ease of getting $$ and I believe were exclusive for the most part. I'm sure they were double dipping here and there, but they were always available.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2702542]I agree. Casas are the simplest solution. No need to prepare for hours.

Did you find afternoons around 3 PM to be best in terms of quality and quantity?

Found any English speaking girls or any that you decided to take home afterwards?

Any deals for a threesome on premsis?[/QUOTE]I don't know about 3 pm but for sure at 5 there will more customers. I use to go at 11 and it was good too.

I don't know about English speaking girls but I don't think they are many.

Haven't asked for threesome but this should be available. Doesn't know if it's worth it.

I had a great porn star experience (PSE) at Zendaly with a girl dressed as a school girl at Zendaly but that's not common and I'm more into girl friend experience (GFE).

JjBee62: About the price: yes, it is not USD but COP. Sorry!

These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.

This is an example of how it goes with FB girl. The image order is reversed. We made contact on FB. She was reluctant so we made video call to prove I am real. I said nice to see you after our call finished. She is 19 and claimed to be in University, and that explains why she speaks some English. I may post more later.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703160]These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.[/QUOTE]400 for the skinny one is worth it IMO. I'm sure some of the seasoned veterans wouldn't agree. I appreciate you talking about prices with pictures because I agree that's very important.

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702989]Thanks for the feedback, I'll negotiate with her and see what happens.

Have another Seeking girl right now on WhatsApp; 18 and quite attractive. I offered 300 k and she went off saying never going to happen / good luck / take care, and how she gets 1 million pesos per meet. I'd pay 1 M per month, but per meet is a bridge too damn far. The thing is though, she kept on messaging and said I could make her a better offer. Haven't replied yet, so I'll just let her stew for a bit. Money isn't an issue and I'd for sure pay 1 M (yes I'm an idiot, centro rats) for a hot 18 year old, but it's the principle; plus I'm not in a rush. I think I'll counter with 500 k.[/QUOTE]It is very possible that she gets 1 m pesos per meet, which is $250 usd. I rarely have been quoted more than 800 k pesos, but 400-600 k is the norm for a hot 8+ girl. If she doesn't lower the price, I usually try to negotiate more time, or just make sure she understands that the date has to be overnight (so that I get 3 pops without any rush). I will be coming to MDE next week, for a month, if you would like to meet for a beer, hit me up. Looking at your screen name I assume you are Russian?

The dollar is currently trading at 3762 COP /$1. Two weeks ago it was over 4100. For anyone in Colombia now, you can still get about 3930 at the ATM's. That rate should be good until 7 pm tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703160]These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.[/QUOTE]I have sessioned with Salome, girl on the right, last year. That's before some rich guy flew her to Rio de Janeiro and took a MSC cruise trip. Now her value doubles. Hahaha. With that said, she is a fun girl. I would rather spend 400 k on her than on a random pretty girl from SA.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2702962]I do not partake in this, but the word I hear from chica is that guys usually pay between 1 million and 2 milliones per month. I know some that have paid a lot more. I imagine you could find someone who does not know their worth, but they have to make money somehow, so beware.[/QUOTE]Of course that's per SD that they are being exclusive for. Most are satisfied with 2 exclusive arrangements, although some are greedy.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2702971]That's a joke, right?[/QUOTE]Nope. Many SBs will be exclusive to one SD, along with 1 novio and 6-15 customers.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703160]These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.[/QUOTE]Understood your point. The fotos are heavily foto-chopped, and these chicas are experts at lighting and angles. Don't be too surprised when you open the door if what you see is not what you thought you were going to get, jeje.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2703213]Understood your point. The fotos are heavily foto-chopped, and these chicas are experts at lighting and angles. Don't be too surprised when you open the door if what you see is not what you thought you were going to get, jeje.[/QUOTE]Most girls edit their pictures. My purpose is to provide a frame of reference. It does not add anything to the post by providing my own opinion.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2703097]
Back from another great trip and once again my happiest memories are sessions I had with ones who don't LOOK the hottest but performed the best.

Before a trip I try to line up ones who look amazing but I am always shocked at how they may look great but are often duds.[/QUOTE]Absolutely. Attitude and connection are what count.

So many of you coming here are absolutely ruining the PPP game here.

I've been coming here since 2005 and have watched it crumble.

Ill be 60 this year. Speak very little Spanish, yes I use a translator and I'm average in looks.

The day I start paying 400 & 500 cop & up is when its time to stay home! 200 - 250 COP is the normal. Stop ruining the game here fools!

Idiots paying 1 mil per meet. Yes you are idiots and are frowned upon!

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702900]Had dinner with a seeking girl on Saturday (dry law so couldn't drink that evening). She's 20 years old and I'm quite attracted to her / we had good chemistry and she's chatty in WhatsApp.

She claimed someone had offered 4000 usd per month and I'm not about to pay her that.[/QUOTE]She is probably full of shit or the guy who offered it was fucking clueless. It does not matter which. It should have no effect on you.

[QUOTE=Dima94;2702900]I know there isn't a general consensus when it comes to seeking prices, but in general would 250 k-300 k pesos (ppm) be reasonable to offer a young attractive college girl? Also trying the Instagram strategy, so once I get them messaging on WhatsApp I'm curious how much to offer. I'll be here for at least 6 weeks, so time isn't an issue.[/QUOTE]What you want is a woman who is looking for some financial help who is doing something else in her life: going to school, a job ETC. The women I have met make between $300 and $600 per month at their job. So even $100 is a huge amount of money for them.

Do not listen to the dummies who think there are not women on seeking who can be loyal. They are not a majority but there are those types. To me, you need to define if she is SB material or a ho before you go forward. With seeking hos, if they were really hot, I would give them $100 and if not, I would do $60 to $80.

But look for the tells of the ho. How long has she been on the site? What neighborhood does she live in? What do her parents do? Check out her social media. If she is posting pics with her friends partying, that is far different than a girl posting about her work and family. If you go to a hotel, how quickly does she get out her ID? If you have to tell her to get out her ID, that is a good sign. What is her skill like with a condom? Can she open up and put it on you without using her hands?

For the most part, you are better off trying out hos and finding the ones you like if you just want sex. To me, seeking is about finding women you like in and out of the bedroom. One time I had this date with this 23 year old civil engineer. She worked three jobs, and she told me that I was the third guy she had been with and I believed her because she was so lousy in bed.

A few months pass, and she texts me. Her father is sick with Covid, on a ventilator and she wants airfare money from me to fly and see him. I have to ask her something that no ho would not know. Do you get that when I give you money your job is to please me? We go back and forth and I pay the airfare, and she later texts me a photo of her in the hospital with her father.

Later, I see her in Medellin, and she tells me that she wants to please me. Up until the point, I honestly think she never thought pleasing a man sexually had any value. It was all this shit about her being comfortable. I knew a woman with her drive and determination to succeed in life would be amazing in bed if she gave it all she had. We do it again, and the difference in sex was amazing. She was gasping for air, sweating, and having orgasm after orgasm as she rode me like a champ. Hos hold themselves back, but this woman gave me everything she had, and it was great.

I eventually settled on a woman who was better looking, better in bed, older and established in her career, but this woman was a top 1% type woman not based on her looks or sexual skills but her work ethic, loyalty, and intelligence, and this is the type of woman I like. A top 1% girl in the USA is going to want a $1000 for a meet and $5000 a month. In Mexico City, it is $500 and $2000 a month. In Colombia, it is $100 and $500 a month.

This is the kind of woman I want to invest in. If I married this woman, in five years, she would be making six figures in the USA. In ten, she would probably be supporting me.

If I had more time like you do Dima, I would have been looking in Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay. The women there are better looking, better in bed, and if you go to the right places, can be had for even less than Colombia.

When I first used seeking, most of the time it was the first time the women had been on a date. Look at it now. All these mongers who are in Medellin / Colombia, on seeking, and a chick asking for $4000 a month? Fuck that. Colombia is no longer a target rich environment with seeking. When I first went, it was like 3 of 4 of the women I met were either hos or nothing special. I cannot imagine what it is like now. It seems like there are even more hos now masquerading as SB / GF types.

I can vouch for Men's Do Spa in El Poblado. Fantastic massage with solid ending just no FS. However it being Poblado its pretty pricey. 250 k all extras included with full hour massage.

However, does anyone else have any go-tos for an actually good massage with extras? Anywhere in the city!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2703198]Nope. Many SBs will be exclusive to one SD, along with 1 novio and 6-15 customers.[/QUOTE]Are we discussing semantics as to what defines "exclusive"? Or were you joking as Huacho, originally stated? I believe you could pay a chica 5 million pesos per month, and she would still want to fuck around when Sugar Daddy, (SD) was not around, for fun or out of boredom. These chicas love to fuck! Obviously, I am speaking in generalizations, which generally have a basis of truth.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2703190]The dollar is currently trading at 3762 COP /$1. Two weeks ago it was over 4100. For anyone in Colombia now, you can still get about 3930 at the ATM's. That rate should be good until 7 pm tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Two weeks ago when the rate was around 4162 COP to the USD, I pulled out 5 million COP, and recommended to others to hit the ATM's and am glad I did. A drop of about 400 COP to the USD is almost 10%.

It's so unpredictable, as this same thing happened a few months back when the rate hit 4,000 COP to the USD, and then dropped down to 3,600 COP, and then rose back up to over 4,100 COP, and now is in retreat.

I told some friends here when it peaked at over 4100 COP to hit the ATM's, but they were reluctant and didn't.

If it goes up to over 4,200 COP, and I'm around, I will be hitting the ATM's again.

I'm wondering what's going to happen when the new President is elected on the 19th of this month, and what type of impact that will have on the exchange rate.

Especially concerning is if the leftist candidate Petro is elected.

If he is elected, I'm sure the Colombian "wealth tax", which expired a few years back will be re-initiated, and wealthy Colombians and foreigners who file taxes in Colombia will get hammered big time, and more so than before.

God forbid if Colombia goes the way of Venezuela.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2703031]You are allowed to bring a towel of your own. You don't even have to plan ahead. There are shops within a few doors of the hotels where you can buy a towel for 10,000 pesos or so. A wad of toilet paper after you wash your dick wors too. In a pinch once in Bogota I used my boxer shorts to dry my dick. [/QUOTE]Why would anyone spend 10,000 Pesos to buy a towel to use in a Love Motel in Centro. Granted the 5,000 Peso hotels don't have towels in them to begin with, and your looking at a toilet paper wipe, like In Tijuana, but for 13,000 Pesos you can get into a place that will have towels, so why buy one, and who would want to carry the towel around with them afterwards.

And yes, some of the Hotels that have towels can be stingy with them, only providing one towel.

So instead of bringing your own, just grease the skids and take out a 2,000 Peso bill, smile at the attendant at the desk, or the girls cleaning the rooms and ask for another one if there is only one and you want two towels.

Sometimes the issues of towels is when they run out because all of their towels haven't dried out yet after being washed.

That's why sometimes places that typically provide two towels, will only have one out on the bed.

The true sign of a first class Love Motel in Centro is when there is hot water, two bars of soap, two towels, a shower head on the shower, and the biggest item of all is a toilet seat.

It still amazes me why the majority of the Love Motels in Centro don't have shower heads or toilet seats. Perhaps there's quite a market for used showerheads and toilet seats like cell phones, yet I haven't seen a lot of vendors selling used toilet seats in Centro.

I can remember many years ago when I used to stay at the Premier Plaza Hotel that I would bring my own showerhead with me.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2703104]Are you wanting quality? A ppm quickie? What kind of hotel are you staying at?

SA. Start at 300 if it's in your budget, 400-700 for someone decent an 8 or 9.

Same for Lleras Park, FB, or any other venue that is not a street girl or online "freelancer" less for downtown SW. Casa girls start at 150-250 Bogota even cheaper. SA or top escorts are the most expensive.[/QUOTE]Not looking for a quickie, I would like quality; offered 600, waiting to hear back. I'm staying at a nice Airbnb, which I know not to bring them to. Also stayed at chica friendly hotels in the past, so I'll have a room ready there when the time comes.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2703186]It is very possible that she gets 1 m pesos per meet, which is $250 usd. I rarely have been quoted more than 800 k pesos, but 400-600 k is the norm for a hot 8+ girl. If she doesn't lower the price, I usually try to negotiate more time, or just make sure she understands that the date has to be overnight (so that I get 3 pops without any rush). I will be coming to MDE next week, for a month, if you would like to meet for a beer, hit me up. Looking at your screen name I assume you are Russian?[/QUOTE]Got it. You'd think Russian with the name, but no, I'm your run-of-the-mill boring American. Bought my membership and waiting on activation so I can message; down to meet for a beer.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2702998]There are some real Gringo hucksters out there who will con you. I trust the average Colombian more than I do the others. If someone seems overly eager to "help" you, be doubly cautious.[/QUOTE]Good call thanks for heads up.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2703258]So many of you coming here are absolutely ruining the PPP game here.

I've been coming here since 2005 and have watched it crumble.

Ill be 60 this year. Speak very little Spanish, yes I use a translator and I'm average in looks.

The day I start paying 400 & 500 cop & up is when its time to stay home! 200 - 250 COP is the normal. Stop ruining the game here fools!

Idiots paying 1 mil per meet. Yes you are idiots and are frowned upon![/QUOTE]Your not alone in your sentiments on this.

Thank you very much for this notification. I just got 3912.38 at Davivienda at about 5 PM local time. The offered rate was a bit more than 3500. I normally avoid the ATMs within a few days of the 1st and 15th of the month because of the long lines. I am glad I made an exception today. I assume the Monday holiday and the end of the first round of the election is what caused today's rate change. The second round of the election is a little less than three weeks out. It will be interesting to see what happens to the exchange rate in the meantime.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2703190]The dollar is currently trading at 3762 COP /$1. Two weeks ago it was over 4100. For anyone in Colombia now, you can still get about 3930 at the ATM's. That rate should be good until 7 pm tomorrow.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2703258]So many of you coming here are absolutely ruining the PPP game here.

The day I start paying 400 & 500 cop & up is when its time to stay home! 200 - 250 COP is the normal. Stop ruining the game here fools!

Idiots paying 1 mil per meet. Yes you are idiots and are frowned upon![/QUOTE]So much for RTFF about prices and FB girls.

Nearly every week the past two months guys ask the same "How do I get the FB contacts? They ask why the girls ignore them. Simple. You are not there yet! You contact the girl the day before to meet and work out prices. I have never used a FB girl but still read some of the FB content at times.

You guys paying Western prices are indeed fools. Anyone paying 500,000+ COP is a complete idiot.

Casa girls start at 150 to 250? I'm confused.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2703104]Are you wanting quality? A ppm quickie? What kind of hotel are you staying at?

SA. Start at 300 if it's in your budget, 400-700 for someone decent an 8 or 9.

Same for Lleras Park, FB, or any other venue that is not a street girl or online "freelancer" less for downtown SW. Casa girls start at 150-250 Bogota even cheaper. SA or top escorts are the most expensive.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2703265]What you want is a woman who is looking for some financial help who is doing something else in her life: going to school, a job ETC. The women I have met make between $300 and $600 per month at their job. So even $100 is a huge amount of money for them...I eventually settled on a woman who was better looking, better in bed, older and established in her career, but this woman was a top 1% type woman not based on her looks or sexual skills but her work ethic, loyalty, and intelligence, and this is the type of woman I like. A top 1% girl in the USA is going to want a $1000 for a meet and $5000 a month. In Mexico City, it is $500 and $2000 a month. In Colombia, it is $100 and $500 a month...I would have been looking in Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay. The women there are better looking, better in bed, and if you go to the right places, can be had for even less than Colombia...[/QUOTE]Great post, thanks for sharing your experience and insights. The only real restriction on my activities are the visa lengths, so I can head to Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay for greener pastures. I've been to Brazil before, but only did the Scandallo thing and that was pretty much it; never got into the sugar scene. I've read good things about Argentina in the Seeking thread on here, so I'll definitely check that out (link to Seeking thread for anyone lurking [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?4144-Seeking-Arrangements/[/URL]).

Yes, the chamber maids are pretty generous with towels if you ask. Now that you mention the 2,000 pesos it occurs to me I never tipped them. I'm a cheap bastard and I didn't even realize it. I don't think I've ever been refused an extra towel but now I am going to start tipping.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703321]Why would anyone spend 10,000 Pesos to buy a towel to use in a Love Motel in Centro. Granted the 5,000 Peso hotels don't have towels in them to begin with, and your looking at a toilet paper wipe, like In Tijuana, but for 13,000 Pesos you can get into a place that will have towels, so why buy one, and who would want to carry the towel around with them afterwards.

And yes, some of the Hotels that have towels can be stingy with them, only providing one towel.

So instead of bringing your own, just grease the skids and take out a 2,000 Peso bill, smile at the attendant at the desk, or the girls cleaning the rooms and ask for another one if there is only one and you want two towels.

Sometimes the issues of towels is when they run out because all of their towels haven't dried out yet after being washed.

That's why sometimes places that typically provide two towels, will only have one out on the bed.

The true sign of a first class Love Motel in Centro is when there is hot water, two bars of soap, two towels, a shower head on the shower, and the biggest item of all is a toilet seat..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2703333]So much for RTFF about prices and FB girls.

Nearly every week the past two months guys ask the same "How do I get the FB contacts? They ask why the girls ignore them. Simple. You are not there yet! You contact the girl the day before to meet and work out prices. I have never used a FB girl but still read some of the FB content at times.

You guys paying Western prices are indeed fools. Anyone paying 500,000+ COP is a complete idiot.[/QUOTE]Not to mention an idiot calling themselves an expert.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703328]Your not alone in your sentiments on this.[/QUOTE]I consider a chica my friend when she can laugh with me about the bobo paying this.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703314]

If he is elected, I'm sure the Colombian "wealth tax", which expired a few years back will be re-initiated, and wealthy Colombians and foreigners who file taxes in Colombia will get hammered big time, and more so than before.

God forbid if Colombia goes the way of Venezuela.[/QUOTE]Look no further than Argentina. When the leftists came the currency plummeted and inflation spiraled, its 58% PA now. Something similar but less will happen in Colombia if Petro gets in on June 19th. Markets currently pricing in a Hernandez victory, as the non Petro vote coalesces around him. He's a bit unorthodox so it will be an interesting 3 wks and you may see some volatility. I'd guess 3600-3700 if Hernandez gets in and 4400-4500 if Petro wins.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703160]These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.[/QUOTE]The one on the left used to be 200-250 mil BBFS until about 6-8 mths ago. She now web cams and has a sponsor from Washington state, and will quote you all the way up to 600 mil if she can get you to pay, she is just trying and said she does that because she doesn't really need the extra money but some dudes pay that. If you bargain hard and she likes you she can still be had for 300 mil.

The other one is a prepago for atleast 2. 5 yrs that I know of, and has always stuck to 350 for me, I have never sessioned with her (a buddy that did said she wasn't all that good). But when I told her what I usually pay, she offered up a friend. LOL.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2703147]You'll need to pay more for it, and it's relative, but yes I've had some girls that if I keep them happy I think are quite nearly exclusive. These are girls I've dated who are full time students or have regular jobs as dentists, lawyers, business managers. They don't have a lot of extra time, prefer long term arrangements for safety and ease of getting $$ and I believe were exclusive for the most part. I'm sure they were double dipping here and there, but they were always available.[/QUOTE]LMAO. There's what they say and then there's the truth.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703321]It still amazes me why the majority of the Love Motels in Centro don't have shower heads or toilet seats. Perhaps there's quite a market for used showerheads and toilet seats like cell phones, yet I haven't seen a lot of vendors selling used toilet seats in Centro.[/QUOTE]When you go into these chicks' houses you will see they don't have toilet seats and shower heads as well. And when you invite them to a place that has a toilet seat, they will raise it and sit directly on the porcelain. You may think they are too poor to afford one, but it is a cultural thing that they do not use it. It is the same in many public bathrooms. Before they built the new airport in Bogota, there were no toilet seats in the bathrooms of the old airport.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2703423]If you bargain hard and she likes you she can still be had[/QUOTE]Work the chicas down on their price if after you meet them you still want them. That's one argument for pleasuring the girl, although it may not hold much water. I guess working a girl down in price takes a time investment some guys don't have if they are here for a short trip.

One mongerer posted here, that the longer he was seeing a chica, the more he was paying her. Not as a girlfriend, strictly Pay 4 Play. I never could wrap my head around that one. Well, yeah I can. Pussy whipped. Crack that whip! (channeling Devo).

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2703414]Look no further than Argentina. When the leftists came the currency plummeted and inflation spiraled, its 58% PA now. Something similar but less will happen in Colombia if Petro gets in on June 19th. Markets currently pricing in a Hernandez victory, as the non Petro vote coalesces around him. He's a bit unorthodox so it will be an interesting 3 wks and you may see some volatility. I'd guess 3600-3700 if Hernandez gets in and 4400-4500 if Petro wins.[/QUOTE]Well, look at what happens when your a right-wing vassel state of the USA and a pariah in the block of united southern American states - 40% of the people survive on less than USD 100 per month and inflation at 9%. I guess that's what mongers want. For the people to suffer so that more are forced in to prostitution and more bodies can be enjoyed for a few dollars, just as many relish in the struggles of Vnzla and Cuba so that they can fuck their wonem on the cheap. Such wonderful ethics.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2702865]I am in no way a facebook expert. In fact, the only facebook girls I know are girls that I did not meet on facebook. Now that I disqualified myself from offering advice, I am going to go ahead and offer advice. Like many other subjects discussed here if you read the threads the NASA Engineers who saved Apollo 13 had an easier task compared to scoring facebook dates or getting your dick sucked in a casa. In reality, it is no more complicated than the following: (1) name your price and stick to it. If you want to make it more complicated then you can engage in the seemingly popular game of auction style bidding and justify higher prices by converting the difference into US $ so it seems trivial. Pro tip, as soon as you rationalize a price by converting it to dollars that should be a red flag that you are about to rip yourself off. (2) block out time, lots of it, to build a friends list and once you are here to wait and hope enough dates show up before your trip time runs out. It's a numbers game. You can put the numbers in your favor by building the aforementioned list and by taking a firm stand with the girls that there is a grace period of 15 minutes from the agreed arrival time. Once that grace period is exceeded, there should be no date because you will have moved on to another provider. The alternative is to exchange messages and hope you aren't being strung along while a girl is dealing with some other punter or enjoying her life until she is ready to come take your money. For me personally, I'm happy to pay a premium for something that is extra valuable or convenient. I don't deal with the world of facebook because I rarely have found it to be extra valuable or convenient.[/QUOTE]There are many ways to find women in Medellin. Facebook is just one of the tools available.

Like any tool, it might appear confusing to someone who has no experience with it. However, like any tool, anyone can learn to use it and with practice learn to use it well.

Different people have different aptitudes. Some will easily pick up how to use Facebook, others will struggle. It's the same with pulling girls off the street in El Centro. For some it's second nature, for others it's incredibly difficult.

Each method has advantages and disadvantages. For example, during a downpour, or at 2 am, getting a street girl is more difficult than getting a Facebook girl.

I've been meeting people through online connections for over 30 years. For me, using Facebook, or other online methods is natural.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2703390]Yes, the chamber maids are pretty generous with towels if you ask. Now that you mention the 2,000 pesos it occurs to me I never tipped them. I'm a cheap bastard and I didn't even realize it. I don't think I've ever been refused an extra towel but now I am going to start tipping.[/QUOTE]Greasing the skids works wonders, even 1,000 Pesos is appreciated. When I used to frequent Zona Rosa a lot, whenever I checked in, the girls would automatically give me an extra towel and a bar of soap without asking.

Now perhaps at the establishments with no towels, aka the "toilet paper" wipe places, a 200 Pesos coin will get you an extra wad of toilet paper, or perhaps that's too much, maybe a 100 Peso coin tip will establish you as a valued customer and you can enjoy the perks of being a big tipper. LOL.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2703414]Look no further than Argentina. When the leftists came the currency plummeted and inflation spiraled, its 58% PA now. Something similar but less will happen in Colombia if Petro gets in on June 19th. Markets currently pricing in a Hernandez victory, as the non Petro vote coalesces around him. He's a bit unorthodox so it will be an interesting 3 wks and you may see some volatility. I'd guess 3600-3700 if Hernandez gets in and 4400-4500 if Petro wins.[/QUOTE]Such a mess in Argentina for sure. I was there just before the onset of the Pandemic and was amazed how cheap things were there if you had US dollars to trade on the blue market.

Regardless, it will be bad news for the well off Colombians if Petro is elected, and hopefully won't, yet as you mention, Hernandez is a wild card as well.

It's almost like a Maduro and Trump running for President in Colombia.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2703414]Look no further than Argentina. When the leftists came the currency plummeted and inflation spiraled[/QUOTE]True, but that also happened in Argentina under rightist military governments, neo-cons, and neo-liberals in Argentina. Argentina has every natural resource and virtually no natural disasters, unlike much of LatAm. But they just can't get their shit together. They have world's stupidest economic policies and the world's worst business practices. It's hard to even get a good steak there now because all the good beef is being exported to get hard currency that they then fritter away. Sigh. And yeah, I lived there for many years. QEPD on that one.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2703147] I've had some girls that if I keep them happy I think are quite nearly exclusive.[/QUOTE]Quite nearly exclusive? Is that like just slightly pregnant? Or does it mean you almost won't get syphilis? Not sure I understand the concept of 'near exclusivity. ' But good luck keeping a paisa hooker happy.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2703515]Well, look at what happens when your a right-wing vassel state of the USA and a pariah in the block of united southern American states - .... I guess that's what mongers want. For the people to suffer so that more are forced in to prostitution and more bodies can be enjoyed for a few dollars, just as many relish in the struggles of Vnzla and Cuba so that they can fuck their wonem on the cheap. Such wonderful ethics.[/QUOTE]
Gentlemen (and JustTK, not to question the validity of anything you wrote, one way or the other}, let's move the political discourse (aka: rants) over to the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread where it belongs, and leave this forum alone for the deplorables (myself included, and be they left-winged, right-winged or indifferent)) who just want to get laid. Be it (choose your sweet) an El Centro, 30 k Candy Girl quickie, or an SA Sugar Daddy 600k bonding.

Gents I'm spending my last day here in Medellin and it has been great so far. I have this vennie who does not have a passport but a regular vennie is. San Peter won't accept her indentification card. Are there any love hotels nearby I can go with her? Don't want to pass up this opportunity. Also will report in full detail my experience here so far. In short the girls that ask for 400 mil cop are crazy that they only allow 1 pop. Sure they maybe hot but I'm done in 4 minutes. All experiences so far have been BBBJ BBFS. I have paid between 150000 mil cop to 350000 mil cop with the latter being a 400000 mil cop girl who was hot and agreed to give me 2 leches.

Any help with where I can go with the vennie in Laureles will be appreciated.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2703553]Gentlemen (and JustTK, not to question the validity of anything you wrote, one way or the other}, let's move the political discourse (aka: rants) over to the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread where it belongs, and leave this forum alone for the deplorables (myself included, and be they left-winged, right-winged or indifferent)) who just want to get laid. Be it (choose your sweet) an El Centro, 30 k Candy Girl quickie, or an SA Sugar Daddy 600k bonding.[/QUOTE]I agree! Political discussions do not belong here, maybe in the "stupid shit forum".

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2703581]....... Are there any love hotels nearby I can go with her? .........
Any help with where I can go with the vennie in Laureles will be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Some options:

--Very nearby (a 5 minute walk or less): go left on La 70; in a few yards, just after Calle 42, take the diagonal 70 A to the left for two blocks. There's a small hotel at the corner with Avenida San Juan (Calle 44) that offers rooms short time. (I forget the name). Was about 30 k earlier this year. Rooms tiny, but clean, good hot shower, TV (with porn?) And music.

--For a a good quality Love Hotel: Golden Suites, Av. Nutibara ##71-53. Large rooms with love couches, refrigerators and all the other standard amenities. 3 tier pricing. Simplest rooms were about 40 k (but one could ask for a discount card for return visits, at about 30 k). If I'm not mistaken, some of the more expensive rooms have jacuzzis. A 10 to 15 walk from the San Peter. I had my passportless Vennie pick me up in her taxi and then we would drive there together. After the session we might eat out at one of the nicer Nutibara area restaurants (nicer when compared with the eateries directly on La Setenta) or I'd just split at the hotel and stroll back to the San P, perhaps stopping for a post-coital gelato on Carrera 71.

--Just ask any of the hotels around San Peter if they have "cuartos ocasionales" (the lingo for short time rooms"). There used to be one just a few doors to the right of the San Peter, and another one (where I was meaning to ask) just a block away on Circular 5 near where it meets up with Calle 41 A.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2703553]Gentlemen (and JustTK, not to question the validity of anything you wrote, one way or the other}, let's move the political discourse (aka: rants) over to the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread where it belongs, and leave this forum alone for the deplorables (myself included, and be they left-winged, right-winged or indifferent)) who just want to get laid. Be it (choose your sweet) an El Centro, 30 k Candy Girl quickie, or an SA Sugar Daddy 600k bonding.[/QUOTE]Agreed with all you said. Apart from the 600 k Sugar Daddy option. Hehe.

"Gentlemen (and JustTK, "
But do u mean that you do not think I am a gentleman?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2703526]There are many ways to find women in Medellin. Facebook is just one of the tools available.

Like any tool, it might appear confusing to someone who has no experience with it. However, like any tool, anyone can learn to use it and with practice learn to use it well.

Different people have different aptitudes. Some will easily pick up how to use Facebook, others will struggle. It's the same with pulling girls off the street in El Centro. For some it's second nature, for others it's incredibly difficult.

Each method has advantages and disadvantages. For example, during a downpour, or at 2 am, getting a street girl is more difficult than getting a Facebook girl.

I've been meeting people through online connections for over 30 years. For me, using Facebook, or other online methods is natural.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree with anything you have said, and a key difference between Fayboo girls and street girls is the immediate element of it.

For some guys like myself, I don't want to schedule and wait around for a girl to show up. How many hours might go by, and what happens if you go with a new one that turns out to be a dud, you can't finish, have blue balls, and want to blow a load, and then have to wait for another Fayboo girl to show up. Where as with a street girl, you can have immediate attention without waiting, and if she turns out to be a dud, you can pay, walk out, and grab another one.

I had an experience like this a few weeks ago. It was a new street girl, and I just couldn't finish with her, so I paid her as I promised, and grabbed another one within fifteen minutes.

I think this illustrates the biggest difference between these two mongering platforms irrespective of the mongers aptitude, and price / quality which is whole other topic discussed here many times before.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2703542]Quite nearly exclusive? ... does it mean you almost won't get syphilis? Not sure I understand the concept of 'near exclusivity. ' [/QUOTE]Had an old sugar baby, a former stripper with fake tits who thought she was swimsuit runway material, I got tired of her and ended it. A few weeks later I received a nasty text message accusing me of giving her "fucking syphillis" even though she was "non-reactive" on the paper, which meant she actually was negative. She said she had been "exclusive" with me, and so I was immoral for having sex "raw" without protection and from being on the SA website where I met her from. I am sure that was her nasty way of saying she missed me and wanted me back only to be putting money in her pocket.

I emailed her a copy of my syphillis negative text from a month before, I get tested every 6 months for free and never have had an STD. I did not try to educate her that if she had fucking syphillis she had to have gotten it from some other man. Nor did I try to educate her that "non-reactive" meant she was negative. Figured I would just let it die, don't care to have any more contact with her.

No more interest in her, she was a big pot head anyway.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2703258]So many of you coming here are absolutely ruining the PPP game here.

I've been coming here since 2005 and have watched it crumble.

Ill be 60 this year. Speak very little Spanish, yes I use a translator and I'm average in looks.

The day I start paying 400 & 500 cop & up is when its time to stay home! 200 - 250 COP is the normal. Stop ruining the game here fools!

Idiots paying 1 mil per meet. Yes you are idiots and are frowned upon![/QUOTE]If there are really guys paying a million per session then I have to congratulate the young ladies of Medellin. I sure as hell won't pay that but I can't hate on a girl who can make that kind of sale.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2703712]If there are really guys paying a million per session then I have to congratulate the young ladies of Medellin. I sure as hell won't pay that but I can't hate on a girl who can make that kind of sale.[/QUOTE]I'm sure there are guys paying that and much more. And I'm with you on that. If the girl can get it, more power to her. Same as when some guy would drop $500 or more on my old roommate's webcam. I'd cheer for her every time. Then I'd get her to buy me lunch.

The one thing many of the guys complaining about someone driving up the price never consider:

Not all girls have the same value.

It boggles my mind that so many people can't understand that. They understand that everything else has a wide price range, but can't accept that some girls are going to cost more than other girls.

Whether they're worth it depends on the buyer.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2703542]Quite nearly exclusive? Is that like just slightly pregnant? Or does it mean you almost won't get syphilis? Not sure I understand the concept of 'near exclusivity. ' But good luck keeping a paisa hooker happy.[/QUOTE]LOL. By that I mean that I think they still fuck some of their old Paisa boyfriends / friends, but aren't banging gringo's nightly. Colombian culture can be interesting where they're still fuck old friends and boyfriends, but it's 'not really cheating' at least not in their mind. They compartmentalize.

The two girls I'm thinking of weren't straight up hookers. One is a legit dentist and one was a business manager / accountant for a textile group in Colombia. I've seen both of their offices, no BS. Between their work obligations and the gym for 1. 5 hours everyday I'm not sure they would have had too much time to be banging multiple gringos anyway LOL. And beyond that the dentist likely makes more than many of the gringos living in Medellin. She'd even worked in Texas for a bit (I guess they recognized the license enough for her to do some stuff).

As many have noted, there is a HUGE spectrum of P4 P.

And or clarify I AM NOT the idiot paying the 1 M.

[QUOTE=GianniVersace;2703581] I have paid between 150000 mil cop to 350000 mil cop with the latter being a 400000 mil cop girl who was hot and agreed to give me 2 leches.[/QUOTE]Leave off "mil" when you write the amount as 150000. I'm pretty sure you didn't pay 150000000 COP to 350000000 COP, but that is what you wrote. Most people understand what you meant, but some newbee's may not understand.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2703718]The one thing many of the guys driving up the price never consider: There are about four billion women in the world to choose from[/QUOTE]Fixed that for you.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2703718]I'm sure there are guys paying that and much more. And I'm with you on that. If the girl can get it, more power to her. Same as when some guy would drop $500 or more on my old roommate's webcam. I'd cheer for her every time. Then I'd get her to buy me lunch.

The one thing many of the guys complaining about someone driving up the price never consider:

Not all girls have the same value.

It boggles my mind that so many people can't understand that. They understand that everything else has a wide price range, but can't accept that some girls are going to cost more than other girls.

Whether they're worth it depends on the buyer.[/QUOTE]For real. A 5 or 6 streetwalker isn't going to cost the same as a 9 or 10 from Seeking. No matter what.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2703731]The two girls I'm thinking of weren't straight up hookers ... As many have noted, there is a HUGE spectrum of P4 P.[/QUOTE]I agree there is a huge spectrum but they are all straight up hookers. There are hookers and non-hookers. To review, if a woman (I don't know anything about 'girls') accepts money, rent, or anything else of value in exchange for sex, she is a hooker. There is not this gray area. There just isn't. Fuck hookers, go out to dinner with hookers, support hookers' families, whatever you want to do. But don't forget they are hookers. Take money, housing, 'help with bills,' tuition money, whatever, in exchange for sex, that's a hooker. Plain and simple.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2703448]Work the chicas down on their price if after you meet them you still want them. That's one argument for pleasuring the girl, although it may not hold much water. I guess working a girl down in price takes a time investment some guys don't have if they are here for a short trip.

One mongerer posted here, that the longer he was seeing a chica, the more he was paying her. Not as a girlfriend, strictly Pay 4 Play. I never could wrap my head around that one. Well, yeah I can. Pussy whipped. Crack that whip! (channeling Devo).[/QUOTE]I would never suggest changing what you try to a prepago after the price was agreed upon. That is the lowest of the low and can create problems for the mongering community. I meant if you or she circle back around for subsequent sessions, then you can try to negotiate her fee down, which is more likely to occur is she "likes" you.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2703749]Fixed that for you.[/QUOTE]Didn't fix it for me.

Excluding all under 18 and all over 30, leaves somewhere around 1.8 billion. Excluding physical defects, obesity and other factors which would disqualify them from my consideration, now its down to maybe 1 billion. Next remove the ones who aren't attractive enough to appeal to me and maybe 500 million remain. Since I'm not planning on going to India, China, anywhere in Africa or most places in Europe, Asia and Australia, let's say about 60 million women.

Now exclude women from that group who are unwilling to have sex with me, either paid or free, and the ones who aren't located convenient to places I do visit and look for P4P opportunities, that leaves maybe 100 k.

And they're still not all going to be the same price.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2703750]For real. A 5 or 6 streetwalker isn't going to cost the same as a 9 or 10 from Seeking. No matter what.[/QUOTE]That is an interesting observation. How about a 5 or 6 from Seeking, compared to a 9 or 10 from Seeking? Do you have a picture to show what a 10 looks like?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703785]That is an interesting observation. How about a 5 or 6 from Seeking, compared to a 9 or 10 from Seeking? Do you have a picture to show what a 10 looks like?[/QUOTE]If you don't know what a 10 looks like I can't help you.

The conversation about rates seems to be a topic of debate in the Colombia forum just like in the Brazil forum. If everything goes well I'll be on the ground next month and ready to add fuel to the fire regarding rates LOL.

For a monger like me that's coming in hot and ready to unload as many times as I humanly can, do you think denying myself the chance of screwing a 18-19 year old girl because I won't pay $50-60 USD more is going to make sense? Hell no! Likewise, if by saving $40 USD I only get to fuck 5's or 6's or even 7's, is that acceptable to me? Of course not. I come for 8's and above, and like the old say goes sometimes you get what you pay for. Is that always the case? No, sometimes you still get duds, even for higher price. To me, a casual monger dropping in for a short time the formula to calculate value is impacted by the factor of time.

So, to those complaining so much to us willing to pay more, either pay up or don't, but try to understand your fellow mongers in desperate need of release, we live in pussy prison and need a escape too, show some solidarity and applaud our exploits just like we applaud your $40 savings each time you bang a young hottie way above your league while using google translate to ask for a discount LOL.

I can't wait to hit the ground and will report back as always!

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2703805]The conversation about rates seems to be a topic of debate in the Colombia forum just like in the Brazil forum. If everything goes well I'll be on the ground next month and ready to add fuel to the fire regarding rates LOL.

For a monger like me that's coming in hot and ready to unload as many times as I humanly can, do you think denying myself the chance of screwing a 18-19 year old girl because I won't pay $50-60 USD more is going to make sense? Hell no! Likewise, if by saving $40 USD I only get to fuck 5's or 6's or even 7's, is that acceptable to me? Of course not. I come for 8's and above, and like the old say goes sometimes you get what you pay for. Is that always the case? No, sometimes you still get duds, even for higher price. To me, a casual monger dropping in for a short time the formula to calculate value is impacted by the factor of time.

So, to those complaining so much to us willing to pay more, either pay up or don't, but try to understand your fellow mongers in desperate need of release, we live in pussy prison and need a escape too, show some solidarity and applaud our exploits just like we applaud your $40 savings each time you bang a young hottie way above your league while using google translate to ask for a discount LOL.



I can't wait to hit the ground and will report back as always![/QUOTE]Looking forward to your report. Have a great time and bang some 9's and 10's for me.

Tonight may have been Freckle's and my last night together. She is leaving for Peru Sunday. She doesn't like it here in Colombia. I thought she was embedded in a family unit that included Freckle, her hawt Ground Zero sister, and her sister's boyfriend at the dicey El Centro hotel I stayed when I first landed. But the novio got in a fight with some other chicos and now they are scattered like leaves in the wind. Freckle has family in Peru and off she goes Sunday, she says.

There may not be a lot of substance to the relationship between Freckle and I, but she is hands-down the most stress free chica with whom I have had the pleasure to hang out with. Good that's she's leaving. If she stayed, I could get stupid over her in terms of big head / little head as fast as Sexy Lexy or Catgirl, but Freckle doesn't ask for much. Don't go chasing waterfalls.

She spent 24 hours straight with me ending yesterday and wanted 200.000 COP. My cheap ass even tried to pay her only 100.000 but she gave me that "WTF, are you kidding me?" look that so many 18 year olds-have purrfeckted. I quickly added another cien-note. I can be such a cheap bastard at times, and then other times I waste money like nuclear war is impending.

Managerette is supposed to dye my hair in my hotel room tomorrow, for our trip to the party in Guatape this weekend. The dye job was supposed to be today, but I was in rough shape. Too much drugs the night before, or for the alcoholics in the room, a Top Ten hangover. Pumpkin and I have a scheduled session tomorrow and she is really counting on the money for her kid's 7th birthday Saturday. Sexy Lexy agreed to spend tomorrow night or as they chicas here put it, "wake up together" for that recent overnight no-show when her kid was sick and they went to the emergency department.

Then, there is Catgirl, my perennial Number One, she is back in Medellin. I have not seen her yet. The dynamic changes the most for Scarlet when Catgirl is around. They are Numero Uno and Dos. They have never met. Catgirl once saw Scarlet in the lobby of Hotel La Dorado on Avenida 70 when they were crossing paths. I think that is the only real pressure point on The List at this time. Between Numero Uno and Numero Dos. They both know Catgirl will always be Numero Uno.

The List worked well today when two chicas who had never met before, showed up at the same time to nurse my hangover. We had a nice visit that included my wingman and friend. Freckle is on The List, Managerette is not, so guess who had to go home?

Fotos: Freckle crotch shot and taking domicilio (food delivery) at the door. Pumpkin camel toe. She looks pregnant in that foto but she's not, it's the camera angle and she's bloated from just eating a pile of Colombian street food. Always love me a good camel toe.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2703258]So many of you coming here are absolutely ruining the PPP game here.

I've been coming here since 2005 and have watched it crumble.

Ill be 60 this year. Speak very little Spanish, yes I use a translator and I'm average in looks.

The day I start paying 400 & 500 cop & up is when its time to stay home! 200 - 250 COP is the normal. Stop ruining the game here fools!

Idiots paying 1 mil per meet. Yes you are idiots and are frowned upon![/QUOTE]Hunglow what you and your fellow 100-250 k cop cohort don't seem to grasp is that everything in life has levels.

There are different levels to this game and each monger is playing in his respective level. There really is no overlap in my experience zip, zero, nada! The girls that I pursue would never ever consider an offer of 200 k, they would immediately say no or some will not even say anything and just automatically block you. When you look at it from this lens, we aren't playing on the same field so its almost impossible that a person playing in the higher cost talent pool is disrupting the economics of the lower end.

Let's use a few analogies. Marriott has category 1 through 8 hotels, do you think staying at a category 1 Fairfield Inn should cost the same as staying at a category 8St. Regis or Ritz Carlton? Do you think there is a difference between driving a Hyundai vs driving a Porsche, do you think the Hyundai and Porsche should cost the same? Some guys don't mind spending less for an average 5 to 6 range young lady, others prefer to spend more for quality, those mongers want the 8 to 9 range and aren't afraid to spend to get it.

And no Sir you can not make the argument that the two groups of ladies described above are the same because they are not. Just like hotels, cars and everything else in this world there are different options for budget and premium.

Different levels for different budgets and in the end, not always but most of the time you do get what you pay for.

So I'm watching an episode of Law & Order Criminal Intent and Goren goes to this NYC establishment where you pay to dance and / or drink with good looking women. I guess it existed in the past [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_dancer[/URL] and it was big in the US at one time 1920's, 1930's until they got their panties in a bunch. It seems like since Colombia doesn't have the massage parlors of Thailand and lots of people needing money that clubs like that would be something that could exist here. Are there any out there already? I've never seen mention of them, although I have seen mention of swingers which is something I'm interested in mainly for the gangbang aspect that's kind of died out around Tampa from what it was in the glory days but that's another story.

So do any pay to dance with a hottie type of places exist here or anyplace else in the world?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2703787]If you don't know what a 10 looks like I can't help you.[/QUOTE]I happen to not think a Seeking 10 is the same as a 10.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703654]...if she turns out to be a dud, you can pay, walk out, and grab another one....[/QUOTE]The chance of Faybook girl turns out to be a dud is much lower than a street girl. You also have not factored the commute time into it. There are other factors like a getting a hot girl that dresses and behaves like some super star who sucks you on a high floor with the city right in front and beneath you. It's an experience. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703903]The chance of Faybook girl turns out to be a dud is much lower than a street girl. You also have not factored the commute time into it. There are other factors like a getting a hot girl that dresses and behaves like some super star who sucks you on a high floor with the city right in front and beneath you. It's an experience. LOL.[/QUOTE]No doubt about it, Fayboo works wonders wonders for some guys, and others not. Colombia is unique, with so many different venues available, and something for everyone.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703902]I happen to not think a Seeking 10 is the same as a 10.[/QUOTE]A numerical ranking system breaks down, as usual. Guys try to hedge and say, "Well my 10 (there are no 10's BTW) are another guys 7 or 8". I've seen one guy rank a chica a 9 and the next guy a 3. Enjoy your exercise in futility. I am sure there is plenty of fun to be had at every number.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2703654]I don't disagree with anything you have said, and a key difference between Fayboo girls and street girls is the immediate element of it.

For some guys like myself, I don't want to schedule and wait around for a girl to show up. How many hours might go by, and what happens if you go with a new one that turns out to be a dud, you can't finish, have blue balls, and want to blow a load, and then have to wait for another Fayboo girl to show up. Where as with a street girl, you can have immediate attention without waiting, and if she turns out to be a dud, you can pay, walk out, and grab another one.

I had an experience like this a few weeks ago. It was a new street girl, and I just couldn't finish with her, so I paid her as I promised, and grabbed another one within fifteen minutes.

I think this illustrates the biggest difference between these two mongering platforms irrespective of the mongers aptitude, and price / quality which is whole other topic discussed here many times before.[/QUOTE]The street scene is for guys who just want to release. Fayboo and Seeking are for guys who want a little chit chat and friendship with their pussy.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2703718]
The one thing many of the guys complaining about someone driving up the price never consider:

Not all girls have the same value.

It boggles my mind that so many people can't understand that. They understand that everything else has a wide price range, but can't accept that some girls are going to cost more than other girls.
.[/QUOTE]Agree 110%. Many guys on here seem to think the girls are a commodity, but they're not. Just like cars there are different classes and types. Some are late model domestics with great features (some plastic) and value, some are higher end sportscars with the additional looks and style, others are F-250 duallys (big bunda girls). There may be some overlap in price depending on mileage, where you buy, and how well you negotiate, but there is a wide range. If you want the new Ferrari you're going to pay more than the new Honda. If you want it in Dubai you're going to pay more than buying in the country it's made.

Similarly sometimes you just need a car to get from point A to be, sometimes you want a different thrill (I. E. 4 x4 off-roading), and other times you want to splurge on a nice ride when you're on vacation. Some of you all like to take the bus with others and tag team a girl or have an orgy.

Anyway, that's best analogy I can think of after 2 cups of coffee LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703903]The chance of Faybook girl turns out to be a dud is much lower than a street girl. You also have not factored the commute time into it. There are other factors like a getting a hot girl that dresses and behaves like some super star who sucks you on a high floor with the city right in front and beneath you. It's an experience. LOL.[/QUOTE]These 2 posts illustrate something.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2703963]The street scene is for guys who just want to release. Fayboo and Seeking are for guys who want a little chit chat and friendship with their pussy.[/QUOTE]Although the 2nd one isn't necessarily always the case. I know street guys who are into chit chat and friendship with at least some of the street girls.

Each venue or method provides different experiences and different opportunities for your enjoyment. They are the reasons why most of us have a preferred route.

There's something to be said for knowing what you like and sticking to it. There's also merit in trying new things.

You can chit chat and be friends with street girls. The catch is you have to acknowledge their humanity and treat them with respect. Part of the facebook scene that I noticed via my admittedly limited contact with it is the girls more often than not treat the punters as commodities and sometimes don't respect their clients enough to be honest about arrival times or something as simple as the cost of a taxi. But again, I am not a facebook expert.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2703963]The street scene is for guys who just want to release. Fayboo and Seeking are for guys who want a little chit chat and friendship with their pussy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lou32;2703712]If there are really guys paying a million per session then I have to congratulate the young ladies of Medellin. I sure as hell won't pay that but I can't hate on a girl who can make that kind of sale.[/QUOTE]For real, those ladies are hustling.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2703976]...Anyway, that's best analogy I can think of after 2 cups of coffee LOL.[/QUOTE]Although it sounds reasonable, but in reality the issue is this, Lleras park girls want 300. Are they really that better than the girls in El Centro? It seem most are of the same quality to me.

No, in general they are not 10 times better than Centro girls. In fact, they are in some cases the very same girls who get 30 K in Centro. I am fascinated by the psychology behind the rationale for paying a premium of that size. I am amused by how aggressively some guys deny what at least some of them know to be true. The one that strikes a nerve with me is "but it would cost so much more in Europe or the USA. " It's utterly nonsensical. Rationales like "I feel more comfortable in Poblado" or "it's a long commute" seem more reasonable to me. They are subjective but at least they are logical. Random related note, last night when I was passing by Parque Poblado I noticed a transvestite sat on one of the benches on the calle 10 side, apparently trying to get a date.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703995]Although it sounds reasonable, but in reality the issue is this, Lleras park girls want 300. Are they really that better than the girls in El Centro? It seem most are of the same quality to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2703991]For real, those ladies are hustling.[/QUOTE]Come on, if a girl is in top 3-5%, on any platform, she doesn't have to do shit. Take a few nice photos, upload them and wait. Top girls are always overwhelmed by offers and can be very selective. Eating healthy, exercising, taking care of hair, nails etc requires some time and effort, but all of these is not even close to hustling.

Someone asked for a 10/10 SA girl, just for reference purposes. Here is one that I consider a solid 9, she is on SA and you won't find her in El Centro or Parque Lleras, and certainly, won't fuck her for 200 mil. She probably won't even reply to you, if you don't mention some crazy numbers in your opening message.

[URL]https://instagram.com/dpm.18?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL]

Any leads for escort agency?

Not impressed my second time around here.

2/3 my favorite prepagos aren't around.

Lleras is being remodeled and it looks like there's much less girls at night leaving me to have a prepagos already lined up or being out of luck or going to la Isla or Loutron.

Also what's the deal with San Peter apts? Lots almost all look like someone that'd be on this site.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704020]Come on, if a girl is in top 3-5%, on any platform, she doesn't have to do shit. Take a few nice photos, upload them and wait. Top girls are always overwhelmed by offers and can be very selective. Eating healthy, exercising, taking care of hair, nails etc requires some time and effort, but all of these is not even close to hustling.

Someone asked for a 10/10 SA girl, just for reference purposes. Here is one that I consider a solid 9, she is on SA and you won't find her in El Centro or Parque Lleras, and certainly, won't fuck her for 200 mil. She probably won't even reply to you, if you don't mention some crazy numbers in your opening message.

[URL]https://instagram.com/dpm.18?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL][/QUOTE]Sigh!

Beauty indeed lies in the eye of beholder. I am very picky but this girl is no more than 3.5 out 10 for me. I seriously doubt if I would be interested to have sex with her even if she pays me $1 K USD.

We are wired differently, very differently.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2703963]The street scene is for guys who just want to release. Fayboo and Seeking are for guys who want a little chit chat and friendship with their pussy.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, not necessarily true.

Especially if you speak the language, you can meet and befriend some pretty cool girls on the street.

[QUOTE=MaximusV;2703854]Hunglow what you and your fellow 100-250 k cop cohort don't seem to grasp is that everything in life has levels.

And no Sir you can not make the argument that the two groups of ladies described above are the same because they are not. Just like hotels, cars and everything else in this world there are different options for budget and premium.

Different levels for different budgets and in the end, not always but most of the time you do get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Except that there are real life experiences where a chica gets to know you as a friend and will tell you the range of prices she gets paid. I had one that I started paying 150 y taxi n 2019. She was a 19yr old bundle of absolute hotness. The best sex of my life. After that first time, I never negotiated with her, I gave her what I wanted and she never even looked. But I would always give her something. There are times I gave her 150,200 and 250. She would stay over when she wanted and the rate was the rate. She is an easy 8 and I am a hard scorer. And an absolutely all in performer in the sack. I got everything I wanted with her, and I could go as many times as I wanted.
She told me got paid as much as 2 million once. She had no reason to lie to me. She said different people paid different. One time she hit me up for money when I was away and I helped her(about the cost of a cita). I am not saying this is normal, but that made me realize there is a lot more than just price involved. One dude, a pilot took a special liking to her and paid (much to my chagrin) for a boob job and a nose job. 7 Million a piece.

All that said, every man can pay what they want and rationalize away. If enough people pay fast and easy, the market will obviously adjust higher but at this time in MDE FB is around 150-200 mil and SA maybe 300 mil. Due to platform variance. With some wiggle room around that for negotiating. The guy who wants. Pay 500 mil on FB and 1000 mil on SA is overpaying.

I sometimes think we have this all wrong. We discuss endlessly the price for chica company, and I think we have the point of view wrong. We wonder if there is a price for 8's, 10's, by venue, by method of contact, etc.

But from the chica's point of view there is the same continuum. I totally believe there are chicas that charge 20 mil, 200 mil, and 2 million mil. Depending on the customer. Some of the 10's that may be 500 $ US at Gustos probably took 10 $ US for the same service somewhere else, perhaps in her barrio, perhaps for a taxi ride or whatever. The price is based on what is to be gotten in the place and customer at the time. It is all about information. They know the guy in Gustos who wandered in from his vacation hotel at the Charlee, and who thinks that $500 is quite reasonable for the gal he sees there, and it will sound good back home when he talks to his buddies. They know the expat guy who sees different chicas every couple of days. And their local pirate taxi guy who will drive them around for a blow job if they are low on cash.

So we should be rating the mongers. My scale 1 - 10 would be simple. Multiply by 100 US $. Issue a tag at the airport so the chicas can negotiate more efficiently. A 10 would get all the attention in the world, and may get the odd bargain at $900 US. The 1's would also be fine downtown, or 3 somes at a casa, and may get the odd offer late at night in Parque Lleras, etc.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2703990]You can chit chat and be friends with street girls. The catch is you have to acknowledge their humanity and treat them with respect. Part of the facebook scene that I noticed via my admittedly limited contact with it is the girls more often than not treat the punters as commodities and sometimes don't respect their clients enough to be honest about arrival times or something as simple as the cost of a taxi. But again, I am not a facebook expert.[/QUOTE]Or the Centro girls who agree to something on the street, but won't do it in the room, the Centro girls who ask for 70-100 k when they can tell the guy is a newbie, or the Centro girls who waste half the time trying to get paid up front.

It doesn't matter where you go, you're going to find good and bad examples. Find me a monger who has never had a disappointing experience. Hopefully everyone learns and figures out how to get a better experience.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704020]Come on, if a girl is in top 3-5%, on any platform, she doesn't have to do shit. Take a few nice photos, upload them and wait. Top girls are always overwhelmed by offers and can be very selective. Eating healthy, exercising, taking care of hair, nails etc requires some time and effort, but all of these is not even close to hustling.

Someone asked for a 10/10 SA girl, just for reference purposes. Here is one that I consider a solid 9, she is on SA...[/QUOTE]This one? Last time you posted a Russian IG girl with millions of followers and she was also around 9. So this and the Russian girl are in the same category?

What makes this a 9? Compare to the 400 mil girls I posted earilier? Look or something else?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2704006]No, in general they are not 10 times better than Centro girls. In fact, they are in some cases the very same girls who get 30 K in Centro. I am fascinated by the psychology behind the rationale for paying a premium of that size. I am amused by how aggressively some guys deny what at least some of them know to be true. The one that strikes a nerve with me is "but it would cost so much more in Europe or the USA. " It's utterly nonsensical. Rationales like "I feel more comfortable in Poblado" or "it's a long commute" seem more reasonable to me. They are subjective but at least they are logical. Random related note, last night when I was passing by Parque Poblado I noticed a transvestite sat on one of the benches on the calle 10 side, apparently trying to get a date.[/QUOTE]30 k + 10 k for the room, which may not have hot water, a shower, clean sheets, more than 1 towel, toilet paper or even a toilet seat for maybe 30 minutes. Mostly only available up to 9 pm, at least for the average monger.

300 k for 1 hour or more, in your room. Mostly available between 10 pm and 2 am.

Different location, different time frame, different experience, different price.

I'm not defending it, or even questioning it. Just pointing out that even if it's the same girl, it's not the same transaction.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704020]Come on, if a girl is in top 3-5%, on any platform, she doesn't have to do shit. Take a few nice photos, upload them and wait. Top girls are always overwhelmed by offers and can be very selective. Eating healthy, exercising, taking care of hair, nails etc requires some time and effort, but all of these is not even close to hustling.

Someone asked for a 10/10 SA girl, just for reference purposes. Here is one that I consider a solid 9, she is on SA and you won't find her in El Centro or Parque Lleras, and certainly, won't fuck her for 200 mil. She probably won't even reply to you, if you don't mention some crazy numbers in your opening message.

[URL]https://instagram.com/dpm.18?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL][/QUOTE]I don't have instagram so I can't see the photos. Bottom line if you want to shell out 1 m+ pesos on a chick in Colombia be my guest but I won't ever do it.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2703960]A numerical ranking system breaks down, as usual. Guys try to hedge and say, "Well my 10 (there are no 10's BTW) are another guys 7 or 8". I've seen one guy rank a chica a 9 and the next guy a 3. Enjoy your exercise in futility. I am sure there is plenty of fun to be had at every number.[/QUOTE]10 means the top so it is easy to rank. I think you might have missed the point. You think when you rank 10 among the entire population and the 10 only based on the Seeking population will be the same?

Talking about 10 online is not useful. Most people won't be able to date them. Online world is asymmetrical, and it is heavily biased toward the girls. It is difficult to date someone better than you or your equal online.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2704087]This one? Last time you posted a Russian IG girl with millions of followers and she was also around 9. So this and the Russian girl are in the same category?

What makes this a 9? Compare to the 400 mil girls I posted earilier? Look or something else?[/QUOTE]Nounce, I can't even rate the girls you posted, because I can't rate any girl based on 1 (and probably edited) photo. I'm monitoring SA in MDE a lot, and this chick definitely stands out. I don't care if you rate her lower, but the reality is, no matter what me and you rate her, she is in top 3-5% on Seeking in Medellin. As to her rate, I don't know what she charges because as I said earlier, it is very difficult to catch her attention and even get to the point of discussing numbers. Other chicks in her category are hard to reach as well.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2704033]Sigh!

Beauty indeed lies in the eye of beholder. I am very picky but this girl is no more than 3.5 out 10 for me. I seriously doubt if I would be interested to have sex with her even if she pays me $1 K USD.

We are wired differently, very differently.[/QUOTE]The fact that she is not your type doesn't mean that she is 3. 5. You are not being objective.

If you ask 1000 men to rate her on 1 to 10 scale, I can pretty much guarantee her average score will not be lower than 7.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704117]If you ask 1000 men to rate her on 1 to 10 scale, I can pretty much guarantee her average score will not be lower than 7.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't that depend on the 1000 men that you ask? Ask 1000 men with the same background as you and it would not be lower than 7. Ask 1000 men with the same background as Oterri and it would be lower than 7. Ask 1000 totally random men over 300 different backgrounds and who knows what you would get.

Over and over we assume that what I like is the best or what everybody likes. And even if the chick was the top 5% on Seeking, you would still have to ask yourself what background are the men that go on Seeking that they all like this particular chick. If it is a range of guys from varying backgrounds then maybe the chick is all that. But if it is a bunch of guys from the same demographic then all that says is this is what this particular type of guy likes.

[QUOTE=YahnCruz;2704027]Any leads for escort agency?

Not impressed my second time around here.

2/3 my favorite prepagos aren't around.

Lleras is being remodeled and it looks like there's much less girls at night leaving me to have a prepagos already lined up or being out of luck or going to la Isla or Loutron.

Also what's the deal with San Peter apts? Lots almost all look like someone that'd be on this site.[/QUOTE]Yep.

+57 323XXXX006.

It's run by a girl who is a friend of mine. Prices start at 400 k for 2 hours and supposedly she guarantees the girl will be on time. I've seen pictures of all the girls (one of the perks of being friends with the boss) and there are several I'd take. However, I can't speak for specific performance (one of the downsides of being friends with the boss), but if they're half as good as the boss (another perk), they should be fun.

San Peter is chica friendly and mostly caters to mongers. Decent apartments for a reasonable price in a good location.

If you picked 20 random working girl Colombianas and put them in a room and put 20 of us in a room we'd all disagree about which is an 8 or 9 but there may be one obvious super model looking one we'd all agree is the top girl. She would likely be the one who is a dud in bed, IMHO.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704106]Nounce, I can't even rate the girls you posted, because I can't rate any girl based on 1 (and probably edited) photo. I'm monitoring SA in MDE a lot, and this chick definitely stands out. I don't care if you rate her lower, but the reality is, no matter what me and you rate her, she is in top 3-5% on Seeking in Medellin. As to her rate, I don't know what she charges because as I said earlier, it is very difficult to catch her attention and even get to the point of discussing numbers. Other chicks in her category are hard to reach as well.[/QUOTE]You lost me there. The 2 photos Nounce posted appear to be unedited. That's coming from someone who at 1 time spent 60 hours or more per week editing girls photos, not that I'm complaining. The Instagram, Seeking girls pics are definitely edited and many appear to be professionally done, makeup, hair, lighting, composition.

You had no trouble rating the edited pics as a 9, but can't rate the unedited pics. Just choose 1 pic from your 9, compare to his 1 pic. His are available for 400 k, perhaps less and have at least a few favorable reviews on performance. Your girl has an unknown price and unknown performance. It's not even certain she's available at all, as some girls use the different platforms to direct people towards their webcam or OnlyFans.

I always enjoy the eye candy. I follow girls who aren't my type or aren't available, because I enjoy the way they look. Some to look at, others to have sex with. However, a comparison that's geared towards available girls in a particular price range should be limited to girls who have a known price range.

Another point which is a favorite of MrE, makeup changes everything. It's not difficult to turn a 6 face into a 9. Add nails, hair and lighting and what you see in the picture is often much better than what steps out of the shower. And of course, attitude and performance are, at least for me, very important.

I don't follow Seeking in Medellin. I did at one time, but didn't see enough value to justify the price. Maybe I'm just getting old, but I don't see the appeal of begging 100 times for a girl to notice you and then guessing how much to offer to keep her from slamming the door in your face.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704106]Nounce, I can't even rate the girls you posted...[/QUOTE]Maybe she is not real. I don't know how to rate girl. I am not really interested or care about price. I am more interested in knowing where to find beautiful girls and what they look like. You seem to imply that your rating is relative based on the platform. If that is case, you have answered my question.

The girls I posted are not my type. One is not soft looking enough, the other is too round for me but that does not mean I disagree with others.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704117]The fact that she is not your type doesn't mean that she is 3. 5. You are not being objective.

If you ask 1000 men to rate her on 1 to 10 scale, I can pretty much guarantee her average score will not be lower than 7.[/QUOTE]I also don't think she's that good looking. I would not pick her among a crowd, I think she's trying very hard to up her score with glamorous pictures, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

With that being said, I still think there is a girl for every price point and we all have a different definition of what we consider valuable. I don't think any less of the monger that pays $50 USD more than another for the same girl, different circumstances warrant different approaches. I still believe that you get what you pay for, unless the circumstances change and you are able to distribute your pay to the girls over a long period of time, then the girl might see you as an investment and be willing to lower her per visit cost in order to earn your business, in other words so you can keep her in your roster.

For the casual visitors, I believe I will continue using the cheap payers as a low benchmark and offer the girls more, simply because I like wasting my money LOL. Just kidding, I will only bid on what I consider 8's and above, and will report back if I decide to bid up all the way to 1 M or even 2 M COP in order to score a 10. Trust me, I will regret passing on the opportunity when I'm back in pussy prison staring at Walrus specimens walking down the street LOL.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2704125]If you picked 20 random working girl Colombianas and put them in a room and put 20 of us in a room we'd all disagree about which is an 8 or 9 but there may be one obvious super model looking one we'd all agree is the top girl. She would likely be the one who is a dud in bed, IMHO.[/QUOTE]There have been two examples already posted here where one guy's 10 is another guy's 3+. Using random girls and random guys of different ages, you would never get that result. Guys who rely on rating systems project and subconsciously seek out other guys with similar tastes, and that is why using numbers works for that group.

Also predicting the supermodel to be the dud is unreliable. There is no relationship between looks and sexual performance. Correlation coefficient of zero, completely random.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2703963]The street scene is for guys who just want to release. Fayboo and Seeking are for guys who want a little chit chat and friendship with their pussy.[/QUOTE]All due respect, but there are lots of guys, myself included, who have interactions with street girls that involve much more than just a release.

And what you didn't mention are the casa's, which truly fit the definition of a venue for guys that want a release as they are much more impersonal than what can transpire in the street scene.

I believe there are other members here familiar with the street scene who can corroborate what I am saying.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2704088]30 k + 10 k for the room, which may not have hot water, a shower, clean sheets, more than 1 towel, toilet paper or even a toilet seat for maybe 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]You left one item out, a showerhead on the shower if it's not a toilet wipe room! LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704020]Come on, if a girl is in top 3-5%, on any platform, she doesn't have to do shit. Take a few nice photos, upload them and wait. Top girls are always overwhelmed by offers and can be very selective. Eating healthy, exercising, taking care of hair, nails etc requires some time and effort, but all of these is not even close to hustling.

Someone asked for a 10/10 SA girl, just for reference purposes. Here is one that I consider a solid 9, she is on SA and you won't find her in El Centro or Parque Lleras, and certainly, won't fuck her for 200 mil. She probably won't even reply to you, if you don't mention some crazy numbers in your opening message.[/QUOTE]Bro,

She's a solid 5. Is this what we are doing here? Lmaoooooooo the streets of parque Lleras has better looking girls. I wouldn't even offer her 100 k. I know everyone has different taste but this is the reason 4&5 are demanding outrageous prices because you guys are treating them like 9&10's. For reference this is an 8.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CZo_M6rLc8u/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703160]These ask for 400 based on my experience. It is for your reference, it does not mean I have sessioned with them. I am doing this in hope others will do the same, and not just talk about prices which is not that important without a face IMO.[/QUOTE]Did either of these girls allow bareback?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2703976]Agree 110%. Many guys on here seem to think the girls are a commodity, but they're not. Just like cars there are different classes and types. Some are late model domestics with great features (some plastic) and value, some are higher end sportscars with the additional looks and style, others are F-250 duallys (big bunda girls). There may be some overlap in price depending on mileage, where you buy, and how well you negotiate, but there is a wide range. If you want the new Ferrari you're going to pay more than the new Honda. If you want it in Dubai you're going to pay more than buying in the country it's made.

Similarly sometimes you just need a car to get from point A to be, sometimes you want a different thrill (I. E. 4 x4 off-roading), and other times you want to splurge on a nice ride when you're on vacation. Some of you all like to take the bus with others and tag team a girl or have an orgy.

Anyway, that's best analogy I can think of after 2 cups of coffee LOL.[/QUOTE]I think this is a great analogy haha. I agree 100% too. I don't think me paying and extra 50 k or 100 k here or there will effect anyone's ability to have fun in Medellin. Even if I was paying 1 mil per meet (I'm not) it should not matter to anybody as I feel the girls will get what they can from who they think they can.

For example, my buddy and I see some of the same FB girls. One of the girls I see for 300 k a session, but that same girl will not see my buddy for less than 400 k plus 50 k for taxi. No matter how many times he pays this much she has never said I have to pay her the same, much to my buddy's annoyance haha.

This is specially so for girls in different venues. Someone paying a million to a girl on FB or SA for example will have no affect for someone going to to EL Centro or the casas because its two different level of people they cater to. I could never get a centro girl, its not a place I would ever be comfortable picking up a girl, and there is guys who would never use SA for example. And that's fine. There is enough girls in Medellin for every guy no matter what you are willing to pay. Nobody is ruining anything for paying what they are comfortable paying. Lets all relax a little.

I just have to say that anyone that pays one 400 mil or even 200 mil is crazy. 30 or 40 is the going rate in botero depending.

For what its worth I had the best BJ of my life the other day. I am near 60 and have never been able to come by BJ alone. THis girl was a winner. Swallowed and everything NOt the best looker but what the hell.

Price 5 mil price for the hotel 5 mil.

If you guys are pay the gringo tax well your making it harder for the rest of us.


Another thing botero after dark risky? no way. of course it depends on the hour and how wasted you are, but i have never had a problem. risky, try avenue bolovar by yourself. ofcourse there are other areas, you can always go to pablado

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2704252]I just have to say that anyone that pays one 400 mil or even 200 mil is crazy. 30 or 40 is the going rate in botero depending.

For what its worth I had the best BJ of my life the other day. I am near 60 and have never been able to come by BJ alone. THis girl was a winner. Swallowed and everything NOt the best looker but what the hell.

Price 5 mil price for the hotel 5 mil.

If you guys are pay the gringo tax well your making it harder for the rest of us.


Another thing botero after dark risky? no way. of course it depends on the hour and how wasted you are, but i have never had a problem. risky, try avenue bolovar by yourself. ofcourse there are other areas, you can always go to pablado[/QUOTE]Nobody is paying 200 k or 400 k in Botero Plaza. At least I would hope not. Those are rates being paid for Facebook girls, Escorts, or other girls who come to you. They aren't having any effect on the guys pulling street girls in El Centro.

I used to walk around the area at night, until 10 or 10:30. Then one night I saw 2 young guys beating and robbing an old guy and watched all the other people disappear. After that I stopped walking around that late and usually left the area around 8:30.

Congrats on the BJ though.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2704252]I just have to say that anyone that pays one 400 mil or even 200 mil is crazy. 30 or 40 is the going rate in botero depending.

For what its worth I had the best BJ of my life the other day. I am near 60 and have never been able to come by BJ alone. THis girl was a winner. Swallowed and everything NOt the best looker but what the hell.

Price 5 mil price for the hotel 5 mil.

If you guys are pay the gringo tax well your making it harder for the rest of us.


Another thing botero after dark risky? no way. of course it depends on the hour and how wasted you are, but i have never had a problem. risky, try avenue bolovar by yourself. ofcourse there are other areas, you can always go to pablado[/QUOTE]200,000 is NOT crazy unless the woman is ugly or untalented. Usually (not in every case but usually) you can pick ONLY two of these three things: quality of her carnal skills, high quality beauty, low price.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2704039]If enough people pay fast and easy, the market will obviously adjust higher[/QUOTE]Partly true, except payment is irrelevant to price.

If by "enough people" you mean more mongers enter the market (increased demand) while the number of wet holes remains constant, then indeed price will go up overall, independent of what people pay. That is what is shown in the Supply & Demand graph I sketched.

However, there is no evidence of a shortage of supply of wet holes in Colombia. The mongering market here has proven to be very elastic over time (there's a pun in there somewhere), especially when you remember to correct for inflation.

If you are talking about a micro-market, such as competition for once specific chica, then her price can be sensitive to changes in small numbers of mongers seeking her attention (changes in demand).

What do you think will happen if suddenly one of the high priced girls stops getting offers (for any reason, it doesn't matter)? She will lower her price due to decreased demand. To make some money is better than making no money. Price is an independent variable. This sounds counter-intuitive to most, but it has been proven true in every free market in the world for over 100 years.

Mongers get emotional about this topic because they think someone else's payment is spoiling their fun. First of all, money and emotion do not mix well. Gambling, sex, impulse buying, keeping up with the Joneses, you name it.

I will always stand up for this principle because it is absolutely wrong to blame what others pay as having any effect on what you pay. If you want to keep the prices down, then discourage other mongers from coming here in the first place. I have suggested this many times. That keeps demand and pricing stable, assuming the supply of wet holes is elastic (there's that pun we were looking for), which a lot of us believe it to be.

If price goes up, one of two things happened. Demand (number of mongers) went up, while the supply of wet holes stayed the same, went down, or did not increase enough to meet the new demand. Or supply (number of wet holes went down) went down without a corresponding decrease in demand.

Once a monger has arrived into the market, it's too late to control price. That ship has sailed, so to speak. Supply and demand will always reach an equilibrium point in any free market. The number of mongerers is what counts in our market, not what they pay. Of course, supply, or the number of wet holes matters too, but I believe this is one of the most elastic markets out there, and supply seems to meet demand almost purrfektly, although that point is debatable.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2704201]Nobody is ruining anything for paying what they are comfortable paying. Lets all relax a little.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704117]....If you ask 1000 men to rate her on 1 to 10 scale, I can pretty much guarantee her average score will not be lower than 7.[/QUOTE]If you ask 1000 men to rate her on a scale from 1 to 10 you will get ratings ranging from 1 to 10.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2704155]Bro,

She's a solid 5. Is this what we are doing here? Lmaoooooooo the streets of parque Lleras has better looking girls. I wouldn't even offer her 100 k. I know everyone has different taste but this is the reason 4&5 are demanding outrageous prices because you guys are treating them like 9&10's. For reference this is an 8.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CZo_M6rLc8u/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL][/QUOTE]6 at best, Imo, lol.

Rating scale means nothing, but for the individual. Geez.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2704141]All due respect, but there are lots of guys, myself included, who have interactions with street girls that involve much more than just a release.

And what you didn't mention are the casa's, which truly fit the definition of a venue for guys that want a release as they are much more impersonal than what can transpire in the street scene.

I believe there are other members here familiar with the street scene who can corroborate what I am saying.[/QUOTE]No doubt about it.

One of the reasons I dig the street scene is the ability to chat, and get to know a bit.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2703875]that's kind of died out around Tampa from what it was in the glory days but that's another story.

So do any pay to dance with a hottie type of places exist here or anyplace else in the world?[/QUOTE]Curious, when do you consider the "glory days" of Tampa to be?

A lot of my girls, I don't know, about half, start out our sessions dancing nude. I realize that is not what you were talking about but I agree that watching a naked pretty girl doing a sexy dance is a good way to get the juices flowing.

A lot of people talk like it's their free choice what they will or won't pay, which may be true, but a lot of guys operate under financial constraints or a "budget". This can indirectly shape their tastes for certain types of girls and directly effect the market in which they operate, SA, FB, casas, Ground Zero, etc.

Besides payment being irrelevant to setting the price in a free market, stating what anyone else pays is "right or wrong" could be that person projecting his own financial situation into the mix. For enough guys, whether they pay 30.000 or 100.000 or 250.000 or even a million may not be a key factor, although almost everyone appreciates a value.

I have a few girls in my line up who were either new or fresh to the game and I am sure they would be some guys 9 or 10, but they basically don't know it yet or they don't understand the market. One girl in particular, Purrfekt Paisa went from 70 mil sessions in my hotel room, to 2 million peso outings on a yacht with someone else over the period of several months. She would still come back to me, at her new mark-up price of 150 mil, jeje, although I recently lost track of her.

I guess that has sort of been my strategy, finding these diamonds in the rough, and then their friends, and friends of friends, while keeping their prices reasonable for my comfort level.

I found a few old fotos of Purrfekt Paisa. Physically, she was the total package. She is tall. She had a sweet enough personality, and a simple mind that was sufficiently pliable.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704340]What do you think will happen if suddenly one of the high priced girls stops getting offers (for any reason, it doesn't matter)? She will lower her price due to decreased demand. To make some money is better than making no money. [/QUOTE]Maybe that is what you think will happen, but in Latin America everyone knows that the price will be raised to make up for the lost demand. To make more off 1 person is better than making less off a few people.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704401]A lot of people talk like it's their free choice what they will or won't pay, which may be true, but a lot of guys operate under financial constraints or a "budget". This can indirectly shape their tastes for certain types of girls and directly effect the market in which they operate, SA, FB, casas, Ground Zero, etc.[/QUOTE]Imagine guy's that don't have any financial constraints or a budget, meaning they can afford to partake in their mongering venues as much as they want, in this situation, the real constraint becomes how many loads a guy is capable of blowing within hours.

I know guys, especially those who are older, who do not recharge as quickly who will at times go with a girl, and purposely hold back and save their load for another girl the same day or within hours.

Imagine your in a bar / club, or on the street, you've just finished with someone, and immediately afterwards in the same venue you see something that really get's your attention, but you know if you go with her, you won't finish as just not enough time has elapsed since the last one.

You talk about a frustrating situation, and truly a constraint, this is it, at least for me.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2704374]6 at best, Imo, lol. Rating scale means nothing, but for the individual. Geez.[/QUOTE]Adjustable 6 at that. I am still waiting for someone to show these 8's, 9's, and whatever the hell else in a non-glamourshot picture with no makeup. I need to see how a chick looks when she is around the house scrubbing the toilet or outside flagging down a taxi, not when she is trying to attract attention and lure men on the internet.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2704155]Bro,

She's a solid 5. Is this what we are doing here? Lmaoooooooo the streets of parque Lleras has better looking girls. I wouldn't even offer her 100 k. I know everyone has different taste but this is the reason 4&5 are demanding outrageous prices because you guys are treating them like 9&10's. For reference this is an 8.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CZo_M6rLc8u/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL][/QUOTE]I'll play. Is your solid 8 available for P4P and if so at what price?

Because, unless she's available at a price someone is willing to pay, then for the purpose of the forum she's a 0.

[QUOTE=TooDirty;2703875]So I'm watching an episode of Law & Order Criminal Intent and Goren goes to this NYC establishment where you pay to dance and / or drink with good looking women. I guess it existed in the past [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_dancer[/URL] and it was big in the US at one time 1920's, 1930's until they got their panties in a bunch. It seems like since Colombia doesn't have the massage parlors of Thailand and lots of people needing money that clubs like that would be something that could exist here. Are there any out there already? I've never seen mention of them, although I have seen mention of swingers which is something I'm interested in mainly for the gangbang aspect that's kind of died out around Tampa from what it was in the glory days but that's another story.

So do any pay to dance with a hottie type of places exist here or anyplace else in the world?[/QUOTE]There's a bunch of bars in El Centro where girls wait for guys to buy drinks for them. I'm sure you could convince some to dance with you. Or you can go to practically any nightclub and if you're a good dancer, you'll have all the dancing you want for free.

Colombia has casas. It's the Spirit Air of the Thai massage parlors. They take out all the frills and just get down to business.

I never knew anyplace had gangbang glory days. Glory hole glory days maybe.

So I have been reading the forum. Thanks for all the great input. I am about to land in Medellin and will definitely write a thorough field report when I am done. I have a good number of contacts on FB, but I have also tried my hand at tinder and bumble. I am have 40+ matches of girls I find attractive on tinder and around 10 on bumble. Anyone has experience on how many of them are a scam? What can I do to minimize potential harm on first meet? How many of these matches are looking for compensation and how many are just regular tinder girls? I am in my mid 30's and probably a 6 out of 10 on the attractive scale and on the smaller side.

I was thinking of meeting for drinks at a public place and getting a feel for the girls then and if they pass the "vibe check" I would invite them back to my hotel (would start at hotel first for safety). I will be in Medellin for one month.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2704419]Maybe that is what you think will happen, but in Latin America everyone knows that the price will be raised to make up for the lost demand. To make more off 1 person is better than making less off a few people.[/QUOTE]She may try to raise her price, and she might be able to find a few individuals who pay her higher price in the short term. But over time, in the long run, her price will have to drop if demand does not increase or she will simply run out of business. If she is able to get mongers to pay her increased price in the long term, it is because demand for her went up, and not because other mongers have to "make-up" for her decreased demand. That is ludicrous.

The most common pitfall of not understanding the Law of Supply & Demand is thinking that payment determines price.

The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules.

The third most common pitfall is people is projecting personal experience into the scenario when virtually no one individual monger, even someone with numbers way average, can witness the actual dynamics of the Law of Supply & Demand in action. That takes macro economics.

Exceptions could possibly be your micro market example, but even then, unless you are personally tracking every single encounter she has and what was paid to her over a significant period of time (months), then again, no dice. Even if you said you did that and came to your same conclusion, then I would have to assume your analysis was in error. Even the puta to whom the activity is occurring, can have extreme self-bias as to what is actually happening. And let's face it, a lot of these girls are clueless about such matters.

You may certainly have the last word if you wish, I will beg off this thread.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2704443]Imagine guy's that don't have any financial constraints or a budget, meaning they can afford to partake in their mongering venues as much as they want, in this situation, the real constraint becomes how many loads a guy is capable of blowing within hours.

I know guys, especially those who are older, who do not recharge as quickly who will at times go with a girl, and purposely hold back and save their load for another girl the same day or within hours.

Imagine your in a bar / club, or on the street, you've just finished with someone, and immediately afterwards in the same venue you see something that really get's your attention, but you know if you go with her, you won't finish as just not enough time has elapsed since the last one.

You talk about a frustrating situation, and truly a constraint, this is it, at least for me.[/QUOTE]My wingman was slightly stunned today when I told him I didn't pop every single encounter. I said, "WTF, when I was averaging over 5 girls a day last trip did you think I was climaxing every time?" No fucking way. Maybe first and last. There are tons of ways to have fun without getting obsessed with orgasms. Probably one of my favorite things to do is edge all day then pull out on the last girl of the day and drench her face. Maybe tonight, with Catgirl, our first meeting this trip and she will be Number Three today. I am looking forward to it, with as little "desire" and "planning" as possible, jejeje.

Freckle left this morning for Peru. I have never spent so much time with one chica over four weeks. You may recall she was the chica to whom I made the bee-line when my plane landed here about a month ago. I cried like a baby for a few minutes but it's a good thing she left. We basically had nothing in common except total tolerance of each others' company and effortless sex. Not pussy whipped but another level I can't explain.

Then early Saturday morning I am off the the finca in Guatape for a birthday fiesta with Managerette. I was planning all kinds of new sexual escapades with her this weekend, our first overnight, but as usual the word "plan" comes back and bites me on the ass. Turns out it's going to bunk style accommodations, boys and girls in separate rooms! Jajaja, joke is on me but I don't mind. I will take some fotos but probably won't post until I get back. Chao, and Keep On Keepin' On!

Peaches is here.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704523]She may try to raise her price, and she might be able to find a few individuals who pay her higher price in the short term. But over time, in the long run, her price will have to drop if demand does not increase or she will simply run out of business. If she is able to get mongers to pay her increased price in the long term, it is because demand for her went up, and not because other mongers have to "make-up" for her decreased demand. That is ludicrous.

The most common pitfall of not understanding the Law of Supply & Demand is thinking that payment determines price.

The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules.

The third most common pitfall is people is projecting personal experience into the scenario when virtually no one individual monger, even someone with numbers way average, can witness the actual dynamics of the Law of Supply & Demand in action. That takes macro economics..[/QUOTE]He actually has a point. I've heard similar sentiments from several expat business owners in Medellin. Buildings will sit vacant for years because the owner won't budge of the price he wants.

Even my friend with the escort agency. I've tried to explain that it's better to drop prices to be competitive, than to have only a few customers. Run specials, offer first timer discounts, do something to get the phone ringing. Nope.

Individually, if you're dealing directly with the girl, if you handle it correctly, you can get the price dropped. However, dealing with girls who use a manager, like many of the Instagram girls, they are willing to sit indefinitely waiting for that payday.

[QUOTE=Metatemujin;2704520]So I have been reading the forum. Thanks for all the great input. I am about to land in Medellin and will definitely write a thorough field report when I am done. I have a good number of contacts on FB, but I have also tried my hand at tinder and bumble. I am have 40+ matches of girls I find attractive on tinder and around 10 on bumble. Anyone has experience on how many of them are a scam? What can I do to minimize potential harm on first meet? How many of these matches are looking for compensation and how many are just regular tinder girls? I am in my mid 30's and probably a 6 out of 10 on the attractive scale and on the smaller side.

I was thinking of meeting for drinks at a public place and getting a feel for the girls then and if they pass the "vibe check" I would invite them back to my hotel (would start at hotel first for safety). I will be in Medellin for one month.[/QUOTE]Tinder is the most common source for drug and rob groups. I can't give an estimate on individual risk, but it's something to be aware of. They put Scopolamine in your drink when you're not paying attention, then they clean you out. While having a drink first is a good idea, you should be aware.

Other scams are asking you to prepay through some online source, or requiring a deposit, or a purchase of their content.

Also, the most common lie on ISG is "I will definitely write a trip report."

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2704443]Imagine guy's that don't have any financial constraints or a budget, meaning they can afford to partake in their mongering venues as much as they want, in this situation, the real constraint becomes how many loads a guy is capable of blowing within hours.

I know guys, especially those who are older, who do not recharge as quickly who will at times go with a girl, and purposely hold back and save their load for another girl the same day or within hours.

Imagine your in a bar / club, or on the street, you've just finished with someone, and immediately afterwards in the same venue you see something that really get's your attention, but you know if you go with her, you won't finish as just not enough time has elapsed since the last one.

You talk about a frustrating situation, and truly a constraint, this is it, at least for me.[/QUOTE]This is the bigger issue for me too. I'm not 60 years old yet, but even taking vitamins see or V, after I pop twice or three times in one day it becomes difficult to get ready for the next girl within the next two hours or so. Sometimes during trips I book girls about 3 hours apart in order to capture the biggest amount of talent I can, and purposely schedule the hottest ones to the end so they can help me get there simply based off their looks. I've had cases where I banged for over an a hour and the girl takes it as a challenge to keep going until I pop, which is appreciated. Even without a condom, it can be a struggle.

So many girls to try and so little time, I think one day If I have unlimited time I will focus on one a day or even one a week to enjoy more.

[QUOTE=SteelDh;2704155]Bro,

She's a solid 5. Is this what we are doing here? Lmaoooooooo the streets of parque Lleras has better looking girls. I wouldn't even offer her 100 k. I know everyone has different taste but this is the reason 4&5 are demanding outrageous prices because you guys are treating them like 9&10's. For reference this is an 8.

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/p/CZo_M6rLc8u/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=[/URL][/QUOTE]Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704567]Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny.[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree. Was there 2 weeks ago. Fat woman approached me. No thanks. And the men are drunks, sleeping on the sidewalks on cardboard. Not a great place to go and meet attractive Colombian women.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704567]Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.[/QUOTE]Why get defensive about a woman who you haven't even talked to? She could be universally acclaimed by every man on the planet as the perfect, ideal woman, but if she's not fucking for less than $1 million USD then it doesn't really matter.

If you want to define your scale, pick a woman you've fucked, list her price, quality of service and attitude, assign her a rating and include a picture. That way others have something to go on. All of this "she won't talk to me" crap is a waste of time.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704523]...The second most common pitfall is thinking that certain markets are "unique", like the Latin America puta market, and the Law of Supply and Demand somehow does not apply. As long as it is a free market, Supply & Demand rules..[/QUOTE]Indeed, Supply and Demand will always prevail in a truly free market. Thanks for the review!

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704567]Parque Lleras has better looking girls?? Haha. Lleras girls are ugly, covered in tattooes, fat or anorexic skinny. What are you talking about? The girl that I posted is at least 7 if she is not your type. It is totally fine to subtract 1 or 2 points if a girl is not up to your liking. When you rate a girl low numbers you can't even say why, point out her imperfections / defects etc. Another poster rated her 3. 5, obviously he doesn't know shit about 1. 10 scale, or has bad taste in women. Could not even explain why 3. 5. A real 3. 5 would be an obese ugly women in her 50's, whom you would not even touch.[/QUOTE]Depends how tall she is, if she is 5 ft and 95 lbs, I give her a 6, average height- she is a solid 7. If she put 10 lbs on she could go higher. No man in his right mind is going to rate her a 3.5. A 3.5 is a fat disgusting skank, lower than 3 is handicap girls and they should just be off limits. I don't fux with bitches lower than 6 if I paying for it, and I usually keep it in the 7-8 range where price meets performance. To each their own though.

I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2704594]Indeed, Supply and Demand will always prevail in a truly free market. Thanks for the review![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2704598]I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.[/QUOTE]For at least taking a counterpoint that could be valid.

Finally, someone did.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2704598]I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.[/QUOTE]None of it makes a lot of sense without correct definitions of supply and demand. It's not merely numbers as some make it out to be, but numbers of those willing to pay within a certain price range for a product or service. There's loads of "demand" in the Centro strip clubs, hoards of it. But prices stay low because the locals will not and often cannot pay more. However throw a bunch of suckers in that market that are willing to pay five times the going rate then you'll eventually see prices jump. Though thankfully 90% or more of tourists are scared to go to Centro, and especially at night. Take markets where suckers feel comfortable, increase the numbers the same and voila, you will have price increases. Therefore it's just as you said, that assessing the "types" of consumers (stupid ones) is most relevant, and it's not just about sheer numbers.

The same can be said of the Medellin service providers / supply. Though often with the independents it's just lack of ambition. Some set an inflated price that gets them a minimal amount of work, one big sucker every week or two which carries them through to the next crisis at which time they start checking their messages again. If they wanted a lot of work they'd have to lower their price but that isn't on the table. So this is all more complicated than Osteoknot tries to make it. Human relations are always more complicated than simple math equations.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2704575]Why get defensive about a woman who you haven't even talked to? She could be universally acclaimed by every man on the planet as the perfect, ideal woman, but if she's not fucking for less than $1 million USD then it doesn't really matter.

If you want to define your scale, pick a woman you've fucked, list her price, quality of service and attitude, assign her a rating and include a picture. That way others have something to go on. All of this "she won't talk to me" crap is a waste of time.[/QUOTE]It has nothing to do with the girl I posted. I could post a different girl and get the same comments. I am amazed how guys would assign low rating to a girl just because she is not their type without any explanation. It is like pointing at a red ferrari and saying the car is yellow, when in fact, it is fucking red, but the guy pointing at it is colorblind. And and it would be great if guys who assign low ratings post their own 9's and 10's.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2704532]He actually has a point. I've heard similar sentiments from several expat business owners in Medellin. Buildings will sit vacant for years because the owner won't budge of the price he wants.

Even my friend with the escort agency. I've tried to explain that it's better to drop prices to be competitive, than to have only a few customers. Run specials, offer first timer discounts, do something to get the phone ringing. Nope.

Individually, if you're dealing directly with the girl, if you handle it correctly, you can get the price dropped. However, dealing with girls who use a manager, like many of the Instagram girls, they are willing to sit indefinitely waiting for that payday.[/QUOTE]That same old and unbelievably common pitfall of supporting the argument you are challenging.

The Law of Supply and Demand doesn't force anyone to to do anything. You can pay what you want and you can set your price at whatever you want. The Law of Supply & Demand sets the equilibrium price point and determines the response to prices above and below that point. I sketched the graph for this but the fucking auto-editor on this site ruined my labeling points, so fuck that.

In both your examples, the seller made the opposite response needed to restore their price to be in equilibrium with demand. That results in further reduction of demand, as you noted in your example of vacant buildings. I gave my own example of the exact same thing here the other day off topic when I wrote that Pumpkin will turn down three offers of 30 for one offer of 40. We were all describing behaviors and not results.

None of this amounts to a hill of beans in the real world, not because it's wrong, but because the invisible force of the Law of Supply & Demand will determine fair market value (FMV) no matter what we say or do.

My main point is, I don't like to see people chastised for doing something "wrong" when they pay above or below FMV and "ruining" it for others, when there is absolutely no relationship between payment and price. And I got you and Mr. E to be on the same side of an argument. My work here is done! Ostee Out!

I don't know how you rate girls. I know what a 10 is. After thinking about it, I think I know what a 5 is. Anything below 5 is either below average in look, or I don't want to fuck. From this viewpoint, the girl posted by MB1 is above 5 to me which is not far from 7, LOL.

I think MB1 probably has good stuff he is keeping for himself. LOL. Because he always posted girls form elsewhere to try to distract us but he keeps coming back to Medellin.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704523]...

The most common pitfall of not understanding the Law of Supply & Demand is thinking that payment determines price...[/QUOTE]Do you deal with FB girls or girls from social media? What you say can apply to brothels in Japan or 141 in HK. But it is not obvious that it applies to FB girls. They don't operate like a business.

Think about it, a hot girl can make more money by working harder with a reasonable price to have more customers per day. She can buy an apartment within a year, the next apartment will take less time because the added income from the 1st apartment. She can retire comfortably within a few years.

If they are smart enough, they can even form a corporation and pool the money together to buy real estates.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2704659]Do you deal with FB girls or girls from social media? What you say can apply to brothels in Japan or 141 in HK. But it is not obvious that it applies to FB girls. They don't operate like a business.

Think about it, a hot girl can make more money by working harder with a reasonable price to have more customers per day. She can buy an apartment within a year, the next apartment will take less time because the added income from the 1st apartment. She can retire comfortably within a few years.

If they are smart enough, they can even form a corporation and pool the money together to buy real estates.[/QUOTE]I don't know enough about FB or the other markets you mentioned to include or exclude them. The Law of Supply and Demand applies to open, free markets. As Colombia Lover mentioned, whether or not these puta markets are truly free is a debatable point.

I was looking at it as the total supply of putas to all the markets in Colombia and any given time, but there are micro-markets that could be exceptions. I don't know enough about them all to know which ones, if any, to exclude. You could argue that the Gringo market itself is a micro-market at Ground Zero, although I believe the numbers to be sufficient for the Law of Supply & Demand to apply.

I am off to Guatape! Chao.

[QUOTE=Metatemujin;2704520]So I have been reading the forum. Thanks for all the great input. I am about to land in Medellin and will definitely write a thorough field report when I am done. I have a good number of contacts on FB, but I have also tried my hand at tinder and bumble. I am have 40+ matches of girls I find attractive on tinder and around 10 on bumble. Anyone has experience on how many of them are a scam? What can I do to minimize potential harm on first meet? How many of these matches are looking for compensation and how many are just regular tinder girls? I am in my mid 30's and probably a 6 out of 10 on the attractive scale and on the smaller side.

I was thinking of meeting for drinks at a public place and getting a feel for the girls then and if they pass the "vibe check" I would invite them back to my hotel (would start at hotel first for safety). I will be in Medellin for one month.[/QUOTE]If you want to know if she's regular chick or a working girl just straight up ask them, I never had 1 get offended.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2704598]I don't agree that the puta market in Colombia is a free market, per se. I say that because of irrational decision made by parties, lack of complete information on competitive pricing, etc.

The market would work much better if gringos and chicas in many cases were not so stupid.

Even if one wants to make the case the puta market in Colombia is free, it most certainly is not efficient. It's like those finance folks who insist the stock markets are efficient.[/QUOTE]I don't know what is meant by a free market, but seems as though at least in the street scene in Medellin to be a complete free for all on pricing if that is what a free market means.

Such disparity at times with the street Putas quoting off the wall prices to gringos, and at other times quoting the locals "rack rate".

And when I get an inflated gringo price, and the Venezuelans seem to be much more adept at this, I sometimes laugh at them, and inform them that the Colombians don't ask for that much, and ask why they cost more, and usually get a dumb look from them or a smile, but I am always civil and polite with them, but won't go with them as it's a red flag for me, albeit lots of gringo newbies don't know any different, and with the prices being so low compared to the other venues they frequented, this promulgates more Putas to quote inflated prices. But I can't blame them though one bit for trying as it is a business for them.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2704761]I don't know what is meant by a free market, but seems as though at least in the street scene in Medellin to be a complete free for all on pricing if that is what a free market means.
[/QUOTE]Free market means an economic system based on supply and demand where the Government plays no role in setting price or conditions.

I don't doubt that it's happened. I don't think it is a frequent occurrence but I wouldn't bet against it ever having happened.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2704266]Nobody is paying 200 k or 400 k in Botero Plaza. At least I would hope not. Those are rates being paid for Facebook girls, Escorts, or other girls who come to you. They aren't having any effect on the guys pulling street girls in El Centro.

I used to walk around the area at night, until 10 or 10:30. Then one night I saw 2 young guys beating and robbing an old guy and watched all the other people disappear. After that I stopped walking around that late and usually left the area around 8:30.

Congrats on the BJ though.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704630]I am amazed how guys would assign low rating to a girl just because she is not their type without any explanation.[/QUOTE]So you did not give an explanation why she is a 9, but you are amazed how the guys that rated her lower did not give an explanation.

The indisputable explanation is guys think the girl is whatever number they think she is. The numbers are meaningless, and so are the never ending discussions about them. P.S. I think I might have seen what some guys would call a 7, 8, or 9, or maybe a 5 in the Tesoro Mall a while back. So what?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2704790]So you did not give an explanation why she is a 9, but you are amazed how the guys that rated her lower did not give an explanation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704137]There have been two examples already posted here where one guy's 10 is another guy's 3+. Using random girls and random guys of different ages, you would never get that result. Guys who rely on rating systems project and subconsciously seek out other guys with similar tastes, and that is why using numbers works for that group.

Also predicting the supermodel to be the dud is unreliable. There is no relationship between looks and sexual performance. Correlation coefficient of zero, completely random.[/QUOTE]To quote myself: "we'd all disagree".

In my personal experience, the woman who is told all the time she is amazing doesn't put in a major effort in bed because why would she when there are 30 drooling men behind the guy she is servicing while the woman who is not told that but still needs to eat and pay bills has no problems putting in extra effort to please the guy.

Obviously this isn't every case but it is more true than not. At least for me.

That is why I will take two enthusiastic 7's over one 10 who could easily be on a magazine cover or a reggaeton video. But who only accepts twice the price of the 7's.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704717]You could argue that the Gringo market itself is a micro-market at Ground Zero, although I believe the numbers to be sufficient for the Law of Supply & Demand to apply.
.[/QUOTE]There is a micro-market for Gringos in Centro which might sound odd to some, but it does exist, albeit it may be totally different than what your talking about.

There are girls in Centro, the more astute ones, whom I call "Gringo Hunters" who look specifically look for Gringos because they typically pay more.

As far as supply and demand, I'm not sure if this would apply in this situation.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2704879]To quote myself: "we'd all disagree".

In my personal experience, the woman who is told all the time she is amazing doesn't put in a major effort in bed because why would she when there are 30 drooling men behind the guy she is servicing while the woman who is not told that but still needs to eat and pay bills has no problems putting in extra effort to please the guy.

Obviously this isn't every case but it is more true than not. At least for me.

That is why I will take two enthusiastic 7's over one 10 who could easily be on a magazine cover or a reggaeton video. But who only accepts twice the price of the 7's.[/QUOTE]I see we are on the rating system topic again LOL. Guy#1 10 is a busty instagram model, guy#2 10 is a slim cover girl swimsuit model, guy#3 10 has natural features and a lot of GFE, and guy#4 10 is a sexual sex fiend that steals his soul every time. Why can't we accept that when a guy says a girl is a 7 or 8 that he's recounting the girl looks from his unique perspective and is more like a estimated range. I personally just say below average, average, above average, High tier / Baddie / Freak (beyond this point depends on the combination of other qualities), Diamond / Dime, and then there's the. 01% fabled unicorn that has everything your mind, body, heart desires.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2704790]So you did not give an explanation why she is a 9, but you are amazed how the guys that rated her lower did not give an explanation.[/QUOTE]I think he did, not directly but it sounds more like a hunger marketing strategy by the girl. I only looked at new girls when I was on SA. The question is how does a girl become top 3% if she just signed up SA? Or how does she become accustomed to outrageous offer so soon? If she is already on SA for a long time, then the question is why a top girl on SA is still available?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2704459]Colombia has casas. It's the Spirit Air of the Thai massage parlors. They take out all the frills and just get down to business.

I never knew anyplace had gangbang glory days. Glory hole glory days maybe.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. I've had the whole shebang in Santa Fe for the price of a foot massage in Thailand so I get the gist of it, but sometimes I just want the reflexology.

Phoenixxx Blaque, Bisexual Britni, Olivia, MyHottieWife Tracy, FLDD, Naughty Alysha, Gabby, and many others. Those were the days. . and if bored with that we had Osaka for BBFSWCIP for a $40 tip, or YborStrip when it was standing room only. LOL.

[QUOTE=Cam442;2704907]I see we are on the rating system topic again LOL. Guy#1 10 is a busty instagram model, guy#2 10 is a slim cover girl swimsuit model, guy#3 10 has natural features and a lot of GFE, and guy#4 10 is a sexual sex fiend that steals his soul every time. Why can't we accept that when a guy says a girl is a 7 or 8 that he's recounting the girl looks from his unique perspective and is more like a estimated range. I personally just say below average, average, above average, High tier / Baddie / Freak (beyond this point depends on the combination of other qualities), Diamond / Dime, and then there's the. 01% fabled unicorn that has everything your mind, body, heart desires.[/QUOTE]You even added my "we'd all disagree" quote!

[QUOTE=Cam442;2704907]I see we are on the rating system topic again LOL. Guy#1 10 is a busty instagram model, guy#2 10 is a slim cover girl swimsuit model, guy#3 10 has natural features and a lot of GFE, and guy#4 10 is a sexual sex fiend that steals his soul every time. Why can't we accept that when a guy says a girl is a 7 or 8 that he's recounting the girl looks from his unique perspective and is more like a estimated range. I personally just say below average, average, above average, High tier / Baddie / Freak (beyond this point depends on the combination of other qualities), Diamond / Dime, and then there's the. 01% fabled unicorn that has everything your mind, body, heart desires.[/QUOTE]I agree that the 1-10 scale is far too subjective, which is why I prefer the 0-4 scale.

0 is a woman you wouldn't fxxx.

1 is a woman that you would fxxx.

2 is a woman you would DATY then fxxx.

3 is a woman you would BB and then DATY.

4 is a woman you would DATY after your buddy BB'ed her.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2704862]The indisputable explanation is guys think the girl is whatever number they think she is. The numbers are meaningless, and so are the never ending discussions about them. P.S. I think I might have seen what some guys would call a 7, 8, or 9, or maybe a 5 in the Tesoro Mall a while back. So what?[/QUOTE]It is not really about rating. I am interested in seeing available hot girls. MB1 seems to have very high standard and experienced so I am still looking forward to see some examples of available hot Medellin girls from him. LOL. Rating 9 or 10 from him is just a way to say he thinks the girl is hot

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2704862]The indisputable explanation is guys think the girl is whatever number they think she is. The numbers are meaningless, [/QUOTE]No the numbers are not meaningless. Everyone knows that "sex sells". The average western guy likes Coke bottle shape, flat tummy, medium to big boobs. It is proven every day in our advertisements. Look at the girls in all the Super Bowl advertisements (especially the Dorito ads). Look at cheerleaders at all the sporting games. Scroll up and look at the advertisements on the left and right columns of this very website. You all think the marketing department just grabbed girls at random? Victoria Secrets had the right body girls minus the boobs so what did they do? Their models stuffed their bras, pushed them up, and squeezed them together to make their boobs look larger.

So was totally going to make a post about my maiden voyage earlier this year but kinda forgot. Oops. Am a younger guy (late 20's) and am bilingual.

Had an overall great time. RTFF and had some solid advice from here. Thanks to all the veterans, you dirty dogs helped out a lot.

When I arrived at the airport I went to an ATM and grabbed 150 k and took the bus to San Diego. It's a large green one and was like 15 k for the trip into Medellin. Little snug but better than airline seats. Plus I didn't like the taxi guys at the airport. Once I got to San Diego flagged a taxi down and headed to where I'the be staying.

Note: all taxis have a meter you can see. Ride are relatively cheap. I often went from laureles to poblando 20 min drive for like 20 k. uber also works and I don't think I got charged any international fees for using it. Around $3-5 USD a trip with tip. Fucking great.

Per the advice of the forum I stayed at San Peter Apartments (SPA) and it was like $370 for a 9 night stay. Guest friendly and the front desk was great. I got them a small bottle of rum and they LOVED me for the whole time I was there. LOL, it's the little things. About the bar that's there. Owner is cool and there are Americans that hang out there. Only went in like 2/3 times though. Would rather go to a bigger place with some eye candy. Could be good for people that don't speak a lot of Spanish and I'm sure mongers hang out there between sessions. There is also a burger place there that is solid. They'll deliver to your room as well.

I amassed a FB list of around 100 girls before I landed and posted a story once I arrived in my room and was immediately hit up by the girls. Decided on one and she showed up around an hour later. So so in looks but I was fiending for anything at that point. I also used online websites and went to some casas during my stay. I'the agree that FB gives more of a GFE than like mileroticos or photosprepagos or casas. Used the map to get an idea of where to find things (it's searchable in the forum). I didn't get a chance to walk the streets. Either bc I was slightly scared or had excursions that left me beat and lazy.

As far as phone service. I had a shitty old iPhone 5 that I transferred my US sim to use that while I was out and about. Worked great. I have T-Mobile magenta and that works abroad fairly well for maps and messaging. Have used it in both Bolivia and Argentina before. Left my good phone in the room hidden away.

For exchanging USD I was asked for an ID luckily I kept a photocopy of my passport in my wallet. I know SPA has a printer and would do it for anyone staying there. I think it's worth it to get one before just in case.

I mainly withdrew from ATMs when I needed funds. Opened a Charles schwabb account and wasn't hit with any ATM fees. Would highly recommend this. Takes about a week or so to set up but worth it.

Went to poblando for the nightlife and it was definitely fun. Drank too much for being on my own but it worked out well. Made friends with some fellow non-monger americans and they looked out for my drunk ass.

Had a session with Ms Bustamante so I guess we're all bros now lmao.

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2705233]So was totally going to make a post about my maiden voyage earlier this year but kinda forgot. Oops. Am a younger guy (late 20's) and am bilingual.

Had an overall great time. RTFF and had some solid advice from here. Thanks to all the veterans, you dirty dogs helped out a lot.

When I arrived at the airport I went to an ATM and grabbed 150 k and took the bus to San Diego. It's a large green one and was like 15 k for the trip into Medellin. Little snug but better than airline seats. Plus I didn't like the taxi guys at the airport. Once I got to San Diego flagged a taxi down and headed to where I'the be staying.

Note: all taxis have a meter you can see. Ride are relatively cheap. I often went from laureles to poblando 20 min drive for like 20 k. uber also works and I don't think I got charged any international fees for using it. Around $3-5 USD a trip with tip. Fucking great.

Per the advice of the forum I stayed at San Peter Apartments (SPA) and it was like $370 for a 9 night stay. Guest friendly and the front desk was great. I got them a small bottle of rum and they LOVED me for the whole time I was there. LOL, it's the little things. About the bar that's there. Owner is cool and there are Americans that hang out there. Only went in like 2/3 times though. Would rather go to a bigger place with some eye candy. Could be good for people that don't speak a lot of Spanish and I'm sure mongers hang out there between sessions. There is also a burger place there that is solid. They'll deliver to your room as well..[/QUOTE]Cut my message off. Guess there's a limit?

Food in Medellin is kind of bland in my opinion. Doesn't have the same kick as say Mexico but it's all relatively cheap. Coffee is actually great.

Pricing I got, ymmv.

-FB pricing: 130-250.

-Casas: 80-160.

-Streets: not sure, sorry.

-Handy: Free.

I'm going back in July and will be around for longer this time. I have some sea legs and will try some new things this time. Maybe I'll have a daily log and post a super report. Who knows.

If anyone wants to shoot the shit in July send a PM. If you have a 7-10 that you're willing to share off FB also send a PM. If you want to know where I got the free handy, that's a secret.

I don't have a catchphrase.

Hey all,

I am new to this forum and posts are incredibly helpful. I will be visiting Medellin from States next month and planning to use the agencies like La Celestina.

Obviously will use protection, but I wanted to understand the risk of STD / HIV in Meddalin with agency Escorts? Do you guys recommend PrEP medication or something else to be taken before going for this trip?

Would appreciate advice on the safety stuff. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2703995]Although it sounds reasonable, but in reality the issue is this, Lleras park girls want 300. Are they really that better than the girls in El Centro? It seem most are of the same quality to me.[/QUOTE]I don't pick up girls from either of those venues, but I would hope there is some correlation. I think the thing is that Gusto girls primarily rely on naivete of those new to Medellin to charge more, versus value. It throws things off.

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2705250]Cut my message off. Guess there's a limit?

Food in Medellin is kind of bland in my opinion. Doesn't have the same kick as say Mexico but it's all relatively cheap. Coffee is actually great.

Pricing I got, ymmv.

-FB pricing: 130-250.

-Casas: 80-160.

-Streets: not sure, sorry.

-Handy: Free.

I'm going back in July and will be around for longer this time. I have some sea legs and will try some new things this time. Maybe I'll have a daily log and post a super report. Who knows.

If anyone wants to shoot the shit in July send a PM. If you have a 7-10 that you're willing to share off FB also send a PM. If you want to know where I got the free handy, that's a secret.

I don't have a catchphrase.[/QUOTE]Nice report and glad you had a good time. FYI, spelling Poblado correctly in you upcoming July report will look better. 😉.

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2705233]So was totally going to make a post about my maiden voyage earlier this year but kinda forgot. Oops. Am a younger guy (late 20's) and am bilingual.

Had an overall great time. RTFF and had some solid advice from here. Thanks to all the veterans, you dirty dogs helped out a lot.

When I arrived at the airport I went to an ATM and grabbed 150 k and took the bus to San Diego. It's a large green one and was like 15 k for the trip into Medellin. Little snug but better than airline seats. Plus I didn't like the taxi guys at the airport. Once I got to San Diego flagged a taxi down and headed to where I'the be staying.

Note: all taxis have a meter you can see. Ride are relatively cheap. I often went from laureles to poblando 20 min drive for like 20 k. uber also works and I don't think I got charged any international fees for using it. Around $3-5 USD a trip with tip. Fucking great.

Per the advice of the forum I stayed at San Peter Apartments (SPA) and it was like $370 for a 9 night stay. Guest friendly and the front desk was great. I got them a small bottle of rum and they LOVED me for the whole time I was there. LOL, it's the little things. About the bar that's there. Owner is cool and there are Americans that hang out there. Only went in like 2/3 times though. Would rather go to a bigger place with some eye candy. Could be good for people that don't speak a lot of Spanish and I'm sure mongers hang out there between sessions. There is also a burger place there that is solid. They'll deliver to your room as well.

I amassed a FB list of around 100 girls before I landed and posted a story once I arrived in my room and was immediately hit up by the girls. Decided on one and she showed up around an hour later. So so in looks but I was fiending for anything at that point. I also used online websites and went to some casas during my stay. I'the agree that FB gives more of a GFE than like mileroticos or photosprepagos or casas. Used the map to get an idea of where to find things (it's searchable in the forum). I didn't get a chance to walk the streets. Either bc I was slightly scared or had excursions that left me beat and lazy.

As far as phone service. I had a shitty old iPhone 5 that I transferred my US sim to use that while I was out and about. Worked great. I have T-Mobile magenta and that works abroad fairly well for maps and messaging. Have used it in both Bolivia and Argentina before. Left my good phone in the room hidden away.

For exchanging USD I was asked for an ID luckily I kept a photocopy of my passport in my wallet. I know SPA has a printer and would do it for anyone staying there. I think it's worth it to get one before just in case.

I mainly withdrew from ATMs when I needed funds. Opened a Charles schwabb account and wasn't hit with any ATM fees. Would highly recommend this. Takes about a week or so to set up but worth it.

Went to poblando for the nightlife and it was definitely fun. Drank too much for being on my own but it worked out well. Made friends with some fellow non-monger Americans and they looked out for my drunk ass.

Had a session with Ms Bustamante so I guess we're all bros now lmao.[/QUOTE]Pleasure was mine reading your post, thanks for that.

Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2705233]So was totally going to make a post about my maiden voyage earlier this year but kinda forgot. Oops. Am a younger guy (late 20's) and am bilingual.

Had an overall great time. RTFF and had some solid advice from here. Thanks to all the veterans, you dirty dogs helped out a lot.

When I arrived at the airport I went to an ATM and grabbed 150 k and took the bus to San Diego. It's a large green one and was like 15 k for the trip into Medellin. Little snug but better than airline seats. Plus I didn't like the taxi guys at the airport. Once I got to San Diego flagged a taxi down and headed to where I'the be staying.

Note: all taxis have a meter you can see. Ride are relatively cheap. I often went from laureles to poblando 20 min drive for like 20 k. uber also works and I don't think I got charged any international fees for using it. Around $3-5 USD a trip with tip. Fucking great.

Per the advice of the forum I stayed at San Peter Apartments (SPA) and it was like $370 for a 9 night stay. Guest friendly and the front desk was great. I got them a small bottle of rum and they LOVED me for the whole time I was there. LOL, it's the little things. About the bar that's there. Owner is cool and there are Americans that hang out there. Only went in like 2/3 times though. Would rather go to a bigger place with some eye candy. Could be good for people that don't speak a lot of Spanish and I'm sure mongers hang out there between sessions. There is also a burger place there that is solid. They'll deliver to your room as well.[/QUOTE]Staying at SPA in Sept.

Question for you (and others). When summoning FB chicas to SPA in Laureles, do most know it as San Peter and find it that way, or you always give them the address? Obviously, many a FB chicas have had relations at SPA, I'm figuring that place is as well known "in the community" as say Parque Lleras LOL.

I also plan on an introduction to Ms Bustamante.

[QUOTE=PVMonger;2705085]I agree that the 1-10 scale is far too subjective, which is why I prefer the 0-4 scale.

0 is a woman you wouldn't fxxx.

1 is a woman that you would fxxx.

2 is a woman you would DATY then fxxx.

3 is a woman you would BB and then DATY.

4 is a woman you would DATY after your buddy BB'ed her.[/QUOTE]This is a rating that makes sense!

I spent the whole weekend with a Seeking girl and don't know how much I should give her. We went out Friday and I've been with her since; we wrapped up about an hour ago. This was our second date and it ended up being a long one. Hung out and pretty much got the GF experience. It wasn't non-stop sex or anything like that and it was nice having her around. Bought her a bunch of random stuff, but didn't take her shopping or anything. She was fun to be around and I haven't replied yet; could very well ghost her and not pay but I enjoyed her company and would like to see her again. She's 20, attractive and a great lay. Any advice on multi day dates with seeking girls and how much to give?

[QUOTE=PdSuave;2705461]...
Question for you (and others). ...[/QUOTE]Send them this.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for [b]an hour or two[/b] of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]Not only you skip the complete Centro experience, you are creating unnecessary trouble and expenses for yourself. Look up Surfer's report where he mentioned Hotel Deseos.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2705490]This is a rating that makes sense![/QUOTE]But there are many mongers don't DATY.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2704630]It has nothing to do with the girl I posted. I could post a different girl and get the same comments. I am amazed how guys would assign low rating to a girl just because she is not their type without any explanation. It is like pointing at a red ferrari and saying the car is yellow, when in fact, it is fucking red, but the guy pointing at it is colorblind. And and it would be great if guys who assign low ratings post their own 9's and 10's.[/QUOTE]There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are WGs.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.

First time monger. Spent the last 4 days in el centro. Staying at Nutibara hotel. Got a presidential suite with a balcony, I love it. Been hitting Up facebook girls and street sweeties. It's kind of funny, I had one FB girl come to my hotel and she was terrified. Made me walk her to the metro after the session LOL. El centro is definitely not for the weak. People are smoking what I assume is Crack everywhere. Out in the open, in plane site. I just did 3 days in Bogota Santa Fe so I figured if I could handle Santa Fe I could do El Centro. I got a 18 yo street sweetie I been bringing in my hotel every day. This girl is pure fucken gold. Cute as hell and she been helping me with everything. I send her out to buy me stuff and she brings the recipe and exact change back. After day 2, I asked if she had friends and she said no but has a sister that works. JACKPOT! Had a 3 way with her sister the next day LOL. Made her my novia andúmero uno. Yes Osteoknot, you need to put a patent on that phrase. About to go make a round at ground zero. Any mongers in el centro, hit meet up if you want. I will be in el centro for 2 more days.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705507]Send them this.[/QUOTE]I just dropped a pin on Google maps and sent them that via WhatsApp. Pic would probably work well too. Most of them knew where to go once I mentioned San Peter apts.

Oh yeah, have a burner Whatsapp # if you use it. No reason for anyone to have your real number!

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]I anticipate much disappointment in your future.

The girls working the street in El Centro work the street in El Centro. Most won't leave the area, especially with someone they just met.

It's not just so they can snag another monger. There are many reasons. One reason that should matter to you is that they are often dressed like prostitutes who work on the street in El Centro. I'll leave it to you to figure out why. They will look completely out of place and may not be allowed to enter into many Poblado hotels and apartments. While many places accept that guys are bringing working girls into their establishments, they do have their limits.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2705529]I anticipate much disappointment in your future.

The girls working the street in El Centro work the street in El Centro. Most won't leave the area, especially with someone they just met.

It's not just so they can snag another monger. There are many reasons. One reason that should matter to you is that they are often dressed like prostitutes who work on the street in El Centro. I'll leave it to you to figure out why. They will look completely out of place and may not be allowed to enter into many Poblado hotels and apartments. While many places accept that guys are bringing working girls into their establishments, they do have their limits.[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=Nounce;2705511]Not only you skip the complete Centro experience, you are creating unnecessary trouble and expenses for yourself. Look up Surfer's report where he mentioned Hotel Deseos.[/QUOTE]On the contrary I often do exactly what he is mentioning but I have a trusted SW whom I have known for over a year, refer me other girls and I usually only pay 70 k - 100 k plus taxi and it's often BBFS. I recently had an airbnb in Boston and had 2 different chicas bringing me girls there.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705538]On the contrary I often do exactly what he is mentioning but I have a trusted SW whom I have known for over a year, refer me other girls and I usually only pay 70 k - 100 k plus taxi and it's often BBFS. I recently had an airbnb in Boston and had 2 different chicas bringing me girls there.[/QUOTE]Perhaps it is more helpful to explain to the guys that are new to centro and without Spanish how that is done? Did you see the text I marked in [B]BOLD[/B]?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705557]Perhaps it is more helpful to explain to the guys that are new to centro and without Spanish how that is done? Did you see the text I marked in [B]BOLD[/B]?[/QUOTE]Well for one, without any Spanish it isn't going to happen, for two being new here and without knowing girls from previous trips that you have built a bond with, it probably isn't going to happen, and 3 if he's in poblado or laureles or somewhere far it isn't going to happen, I suggest the shitty hotels around oriental or something else nearby such as the airbnb in Boston I mentioned.

As far as time goes they usually stay about an hour sometimes I can stretch it longer especially with repeat girls that I know.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705538]On the contrary I often do exactly what he is mentioning but I have a trusted SW whom I have known for over a year, refer me other girls and I usually only pay 70 k - 100 k plus taxi and it's often BBFS. I recently had an airbnb in Boston and had 2 different chicas bringing me girls there.[/QUOTE]1. A first time visitor to Medellin is unlikely to have a local street girl who he's known over a year, who will vouch for him.

2. Having girls who trust you bring other girls to Boston is quite different from convincing a girl you just met to come to Poblado.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]There are no rules to this and yes I do it quite often. Just be very selective on who you trust to bring back to your hotel in Laureles or Poblado.

First, don't listen to guys saying those girls won't be allowed in your hotel LOL, that's funny bc the girls in parque llera dress just as skanky. Just most look a bit nicer if they go to the clubs. In centro there are all types, some who really look like crack heads but that's really a small %. Most dress normal, just not upscale. So yeah I've had great success w few that I had great chemistry with after a brief convo, and after they hinted / mentioned they don't like being in the street. So if anything they were happy that I rented them for few hours and bought them to AC, snack, drink, a hot shower, massage (I tease them and say you look like you need a massage. They appreciate small favors and when your a gentleman). I negotiated x amount of non-rushed nuts / relaciones, BBBJ, sometimes BBFS, 100-200 k and they were happy and many repeats w even better svc.

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2705525]I just dropped a pin on Google maps and sent them that via WhatsApp. ....![/QUOTE]See what the chica is asking after I did that 😒?

[QUOTE=PdSuave;2705461]Staying at SPA in Sept.

Question for you (and others). When summoning FB chicas to SPA in Laureles, do most know it as San Peter and find it that way, or you always give them the address? Obviously, many a FB chicas have had relations at SPA, I'm figuring that place is as well known "in the community" as say Parque Lleras LOL.

I also plan on an introduction to Ms Bustamante.[/QUOTE]You will need to send them the address. San Peter is a relatively small condo, which has a service to rent out units on behalf of the owners. Some chicas may know where it is, but will still need the address for the Uber or whatever they use. Parque Lleras used to have many 10's of thousands of visitors on a busy weekend. And it is a well known area, not a specific place or building.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]You are going to have to at least session with them 1 time before most of them would agree to something like that with someone they just met.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705559]Well for one, without any Spanish it isn't going to happen, for two being new here and without knowing girls from previous trips that you have built a bond with, it probably isn't going to happen, and 3 if he's in Poblado or laureles or somewhere far it isn't going to happen, I suggest the shitty hotels around oriental or something else nearby such as the airbnb in Boston I mentioned.

As far as time goes they usually stay about an hour sometimes I can stretch it longer especially with repeat girls that I know.[/QUOTE]Not true about the not knowing Spanish and it isn't going to happen! Not sure why you would be so adamant about your statement, I watched and been with friends more then once that pulled it off and I myself could of pulled it off if I was ready to become a street rat, which on my next upcoming trip I will! Now I would agree that it's not for everyone and the person must be confident and not over think that your not getting married and just going to fuck a working girl, but telling newbie's and everyone else that it's not going to happen is spreading false information bud! Stat safe have fun!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2705515]There is a culture on the Medellin forum, and you are asking for consistency in the results. And here is what the rules are:

1. All women are WGs.

2. The only thing women want us for is money.

3. Anyone sending any money to a Colombian woman for any reason is a sucker.

4. They want to spend time with their novios not you.

5. The women in centro are as fine as anywhere else.

6. All Colombian women are scammers. A Colombian lawyer or doctor is just as likely to use scopolamine on you as a street girl.

7. Because the women really want to be with their novios, dress like a Colombian. You get better prices that way.

8. Anything over $15 or 60,000 COP and you massively overpaid.

9. All women are in equal demand.

10. All women in Medellin are equally beautiful and good in bed so paying more for one makes no sense.

One thing I can assure you of is that if you follow these rules you will be hugely disappointed and be fucking fat and ugly women which I guess is the point. The guys who cement this culture do not want anyone doing better than them.

Maybe it is because of the drug trade in the past, but Medellin certainly has more of a ho culture than other Colombian cities. That said, I met women there who knew about the ho culture and went out of their way to prove they were not part of it.

But anyone who wants a great time and to fuck truly beautiful and great performing women, you had best throw those 10 rules in the trash.[/QUOTE]Totally agree. Most guys coming to MDE just don't know any better. Fucking El Centro average SW girl in a tiny motel room is an achievement they are proud of, but it is okay, whatever floats their boat. Another misconception is that hot girls are duds in bed, when in reality, there is zero correlation between price, looks and performance. Want a good sex? Build a rapport and provide BFE (boyfriend experience).

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2566969]
Tomorrow is another day, maybe I will find a new one to add to the stable that actually has a phone.
[/QUOTE]Do they really not have phones or is it that they don't want to give out their phone numbers?

I tried to give my phone number to a girl in Santa Fe after a good session but she didn't want it (I know this is the Medellin forum, but I suppose the street girl scene in Medellin's Centro is similar to Santa Fe in Bogota). She said she's always in the same location and I should just find her there. When I tried to have a conversation with her, she told me we could talk, but it needed to be in the room because otherwise she would spend too much time dealing with time wasters who just want to chat, but don't want to pay.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705615]Totally agree. Most guys coming to MDE just don't know any better. Fucking El Centro average SW girl in a tiny motel room is an achievement they are proud of, but it is okay, whatever floats their boat. Another misconception is that hot girls are duds in bed, when in reality, there is zero correlation between price, looks and performance. Want a good sex? Build a rapport and provide BFE (boyfriend experience).[/QUOTE]Elvis had a list of straw men going and you took up the mantle. Wink. There's really no basis for pride in paying hookers, though hopefully one enjoys themselves. What I do is find casa and Centro strip club girls, enjoy them there, then ones I especially like I invite to a nice love motel in Laureles, usually with jaccuzi. And I'll say for the 1001st time, the Centro casa and strip club girls are from the same handful of lower tier neighborhoods as your "higher end" providers. It's all perception, maybe some nicer clothes for the latter but at the end of the day they are all the same. As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy. Enjoy it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705615]Totally agree. Most guys coming to MDE just don't know any better. Fucking El Centro average SW girl in a tiny motel room is an achievement they are proud of, but it is okay, whatever floats their boat. Another misconception is that hot girls are duds in bed, when in reality, there is zero correlation between price, looks and performance. Want a good sex? Build a rapport and provide BFE (boyfriend experience).[/QUOTE]Most people who come to MDE don't go to el centro to monger.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705615]Totally agree. Most guys coming to MDE just don't know any better. Fucking El Centro average SW girl in a tiny motel room is an achievement they are proud of, but it is okay, whatever floats their boat. Another misconception is that hot girls are duds in bed, when in reality, there is zero correlation between price, looks and performance. Want a good sex? Build a rapport and provide BFE (boyfriend experience).[/QUOTE]I think centro rats are innocent bystanders 😕.

Really you could just post a report with pictures (no contact info) to let people know what they are missing. Some would not agree but I guess there could be more who would agree with you.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2705625]Do they really not have phones or is it that they don't want to give out their phone numbers?...[/QUOTE]Some don't have phone or share a phone.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705538]On the contrary I often do exactly what he is mentioning but I have a trusted SW whom I have known for over a year, refer me other girls and I usually only pay 70 k - 100 k plus taxi and it's often BBFS. I recently had an airbnb in Boston and had 2 different chicas bringing me girls there.[/QUOTE]Besides what has already been mentioned by Nounce and JB2, it sounds as though some guy's might be thinking that they can save some money by pulling girls out of Centro and taking them to their apartments or Hotels in Poblado or Laureles, versus lining up girls from Fayboo or other Internet sources to come to their places.

Taking Centro girls out of Centro is almost like taking a fish out of water, yet I have done it, and sometimes have taken some on overnight forays, but I have history with the ones I've done this with.

For a guy who is totally fluent in Spanish, and I don't mean functionally fluent, but totally fluent, I'm assuming like yourself, could take a Centro SW upon meeting them for the first time out of Centro for a short period of time, but most SW's would be very reluctant to go with someone they've never been with outside of their comfort zone.

There are SW's who are not dressed provocatively with Cedulas that could be taken out, yet you would have to offer a good sum of money, inform them exactly where your staying, that ID's are required to enter the property, for how long, and that you would travel with them by taxi together to your place.

Again, you need to make them feel comfortable wherever your taking them, or they won't go, and if your Spanish isn't really good, I wouldn't even attempt it.

You can get girls to go back with you to Poblado or Laureles. Most will not do it without a bit of urging or until they know you better. As another poster pointed out, most of them don't want to leave the area because they don't want to lose out on other opportunities. You can get around that by offering 50 K plus return transport. When they ask if you live far away it's because they don't want to deal with uncompensated travel time. Tell them it's not far away and offer a return uber. San Peter is a very short walk from the metro. At prime time for ground zero, the metro will be their fastest and most convenient way to get back. Let us know how you make out.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705628]Most people who come to MDE don't go to el centro to monger.[/QUOTE]But how do you draw that conclusion?

100 should be more than enough.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?

Do girls agree to this readily or do they just want to do the deed in cheap motels nearby so they can snag next monger?

I guess 150 K+Taxi should be a good number to offer to these girls for an hour or two of fun in your hotel.

Can the experienced mongers please advise?[/QUOTE]

JJbee made a good point. It's important to tell the girls to dress modestly. I'm not sure that it matters at San Peter but in an airbnb or if you live here you might hear about it later if have girls show up in their Centro uniforms.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705538]On the contrary I often do exactly what he is mentioning but I have a trusted SW whom I have known for over a year, refer me other girls and I usually only pay 70 k - 100 k plus taxi and it's often BBFS. I recently had an airbnb in Boston and had 2 different chicas bringing me girls there.[/QUOTE]

This is clearly true. The prevalence of foreigners in Centro vs the more popular Poblado / mileroticos / NewLife / facebook scene is extremely low. It's true there were more gringos in Centro in the months after the lockdown but Colombians vastly outnumber foreign visitors, even counting the tourists who are their for the museums or walking tours.

In the interest of avoiding a long an boring back and forth about this I will try to settle the matter as an admitted Centro rat. Assume that all Centro girls are fat, ugly, and not worth the 30 K they demand. Assume also that any facebook / seeking or other six figure cost girl is beautiful, sexy, and worth twice the money she charges. OK, let's move on.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705628]Most people who come to MDE don't go to el centro to monger.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705628]Most people who come to MDE don't go to el centro to monger.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras is no different, same girls at an inflated price and crowds of gringos walking around.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705649]Parque Lleras is no different, same girls at an inflated price and crowds of gringos walking around.[/QUOTE]Now you are getting the hang of it.

This is correct.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705649]Parque Lleras is no different, same girls at an inflated price and crowds of gringos walking around.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Plan77;2705444]Do you guys have any experience of selecting a girl from Centro and bringing her over to your hotel in Poblado or Laurles immediately or the next day?[/QUOTE]It is an entirely different dynamic. What you are talking about is akin to bringing out your best tablecloth, dishes, and crystal to enjoy a Big Mac Meal. Some foods are meant to be eaten on the fly. Downtown is for when you want to eat on the fly, not sit down to a gourmet 6 course meal. Know your audience.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705615]Totally agree. ...[/QUOTE]Elvis is trying to back you up but what I see is the unintended consequence. You have bias similar to others but the goal is similar, your bias is just in a different direction. Elvis is getting the unobtainable, and has gone exclusive.

I know a little about unobtainable. In the start of pandemic, I found someone who normally would not be on Seeking. The only reason she was on it was because her home country was locked up. She was stranded and was running out of money. I decided to help her but we never met in person

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2705615]... Want a good sex? Build a rapport and provide BFE (boyfriend experience).[/QUOTE]What's is the difference between you and Balboa who likes to monger in El Centro.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2704376]No doubt about it.

One of the reasons I dig the street scene is the ability to chat, and get to know a bit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2705592]Not true about the not knowing Spanish and it isn't going to happen! Not sure why you would be so adamant about your statement, I watched and been with friends more then once that pulled it off and I myself could of pulled it off if I was ready to become a street rat, which on my next upcoming trip I will! Now I would agree that it's not for everyone and the person must be confident and not over think that your not getting married and just going to fuck a working girl, but telling newbie's and everyone else that it's not going to happen is spreading false information bud! Stat safe have fun![/QUOTE]Maybe it's not 100% not going to happen but it would definitely be alot harder without having Spanish skills. I mean what are you going to use Google translate for everything you want to say? Communication is a big part of the puzzle and without being able to communicate he will have a much harder time trying to get his message across. But then again money makes the world go round so maybe it isn't 100% impossible, but I still say its improbable.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2705638]But how do you draw that conclusion?[/QUOTE]Most expats / foreigners / tourists / mongers live or vacation in poblado or laureles. I don't have any hard data but it just seems to be more gringos on La 70 than versus el centro for example.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2705634]Besides what has already been mentioned by Nounce and JB2, it sounds as though some guy's might be thinking that they can save some money by pulling girls out of Centro and taking them to their apartments or Hotels in Poblado or Laureles, versus lining up girls from Fayboo or other Internet sources to come to their places.

Taking Centro girls out of Centro is almost like taking a fish out of water, yet I have done it, and sometimes have taken some on overnight forays, but I have history with the ones I've done this with.

For a guy who is totally fluent in Spanish, and I don't mean functionally fluent, but totally fluent, I'm assuming like yourself, could take a Centro SW upon meeting them for the first time out of Centro for a short period of time, but most SW's would be very reluctant to go with someone they've never been with outside of their comfort zone.

There are SW's who are not dressed provocatively with Cedulas that could be taken out, yet you would have to offer a good sum of money, inform them exactly where your staying, that ID's are required to enter the property, for how long, and that you would travel with them by taxi together to your place.

Again, you need to make them feel comfortable wherever your taking them, or they won't go, and if your Spanish isn't really good, I wouldn't even attempt it.[/QUOTE]I agree 100% with everything you said. They often show up in the skimpiest outfits, I had one show up yesterday and her tits were practically hanging out of her tube top LOL. I also agree about the spanish skills. Spanish skills are a must here, and there are quite a few differences from the Spanish you may have picked up in Mexico. Racshack seems to believe Spanish doesn't matter but I can forsee a number of circumstances in which you're not going to have time to bust out google translate when you need to respond in a timely matter, but apparently for him and his buddies they don't need Spanish, nawuara!

Also I agree about cedulas, most hotels require the girl to have a cedula in order to enter your room with you and not all girls have a cedula so this is something he will need to confirm before he brings the chica back to his place. Also if it's a vennie there is an issue with fake cedulas, always look at the back of the cedula and there should be red numbers / letters printed on the back side and if there is not then that is a red flag.

Also many of the Centro girls do not have very good home training, do not be surprised if she spits on the floor while sucking your dick, smokes cigarettes in your room, uses your towel to wipe your cum from her pussy if there isn't any toallitas or papel higienico nearby, etc.

A cada quien su propio gusto. Have fun, stay safe, if you're barebacking like I've been doing, do yourself a favor and take azithromycin 1500 MG once a week during your trip.

It costs like 10 k COP at the droguera and I haven't caught any STDs so far on this trip.

And to the original poster asking about bringing Centro girls to your place in laureles or poblado let us know how it goes.

Siempre a la orden.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705706]Most expats / foreigners / tourists / mongers live or vacation in poblado or laureles. I don't have any hard data but it just seems to be more gringos on La 70 than versus el centro for example.[/QUOTE]Hmm. I have met quite a few and I wouldn't say that. Of 10 or so that I know they seemed scattered around the south end mostly. Envigado, Itagui, etc. As well as Poblado. I only knew one that lived in Laureles, but there are lots of foreigners there for sure.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2705625]Do they really not have phones or is it that they don't want to give out their phone numbers?

I tried to give my phone number to a girl in Santa Fe after a good session but she didn't want it (I know this is the Medellin forum, but I suppose the street girl scene in Medellin's Centro is similar to Santa Fe in Bogota). She said she's always in the same location.[/QUOTE]She probably just didn't want to give out her number, many will, some won't, and some actually don't have phones.

I was in Santa Fe 2 weeks ago, it seems kinda dead compared to what it used to be back in 2018 when I first started going there. Also lots of police and military all around, one of my chicas told me some club or some place had gotten robbed recently and thus the increase in patrol. I honestly prefer Centro in medellin over Santa Fe nowadays, besides the warmer weather its cleaner, more inviting, and seems to have more street action going on particularly in the afternoons.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2705644]In the interest of avoiding a long an boring back and forth about this I will try to settle the matter as an admitted Centro rat. Assume that all Centro girls are fat, ugly, and not worth the 30 K they demand. Assume also that any facebook / seeking or other six figure cost girl is beautiful, sexy, and worth twice the money she charges. OK, let's move on.[/QUOTE]For the few street rats who post here, other board members should really not consider us to be pathetic losers, as another board member has pointed out that we are just "innocent bystanders" in Centro. LOL.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2705691]It is an entirely different dynamic. What you are talking about is akin to bringing out your best tablecloth, dishes, and crystal to enjoy a Big Mac Meal. Some foods are meant to be eaten on the fly. Downtown is for when you want to eat on the fly, not sit down to a gourmet 6 course meal. Know your audience.[/QUOTE]I remember the first time I took a SW out of Centro and spent the night with her in a Hotel in Poblado that had air conditioning, an exhaust fan in the bathroom, smoke detectors, dual pane windows, and a king size bed.

She had never seen any of these items before and was like on another planet while with me. She basically had gone from being a pauper to a princess, and I was rewarded immensely for her very temporary transformation.

A different dynamic for sure when your with someone who has never experienced things like this.

And just think of how many people who live in Medellin who have never seen the Ocean or flown on a plane.

I highly recommend that if a guy is comfortable with a SW, and can communicate with them clearly and effectively, to take them out of Centro as it definitely beats hanging out in Centro.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2705719] I honestly prefer Centro in medellin over Santa Fe nowadays, besides the warmer weather its cleaner, more inviting, and seems to have more street action going on particularly in the afternoons.[/QUOTE]Of all the descriptions I have heard about Centro, medellin, this is a first. "It's cleaner and more inviting" you say? Compared to what? The sewer? Gawd man, Centro is a lot of things but clean and inviting ain't it.

And before you street rats go off on me, I am not knocking the place, I have been a couple of times. Yes, there is the occasional diamond to be found, yes you will in all likeliness be fine, yes its a place you best navigate with a little street smarts and some Spanish skills, and yes there are Hare Krishnas there too 😂, and yes it's mostly just locals going about their regular lives.

For those petrified to even set foot there, just sign up for a benign walking tour with a paisa guide and a posse of 10-15 gringos if you are that afraid.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2705741]Of all the descriptions I have heard about Centro, medellin, this is a first. "It's cleaner and more inviting" you say? Compared to what? The sewer? Gawd man, Centro is a lot of things but clean and inviting ain't it.

And before you street rats go off on me, I am not knocking the place, I have been a couple of times. Yes, there is the occasional diamond to be found, yes you will in all likeliness be fine, yes its a place you best navigate with a little street smarts and some Spanish skills, and yes there are Hare Krishnas there too 😂, and yes it's mostly just locals going about their regular lives.

For those petrified to even set foot there, just sign up for a benign walking tour with a paisa guide and a posse of 10-15 gringos if you are that afraid.[/QUOTE]Cleaner and more inviting than Santa Fe in Bogotá, which I don't know if you have been lately but if you had, I think you would agree. Especially after the rain with the muddy streets with the potholes. And the corrupt cops with that police greyhound bus LOL.

[QUOTE=Binder;2705500]I spent the whole weekend with a Seeking girl and don't know how much I should give her. We went out Friday and I've been with her since; we wrapped up about an hour ago. This was our second date and it ended up being a long one. Hung out and pretty much got the GF experience. It wasn't non-stop sex or anything like that and it was nice having her around. Bought her a bunch of random stuff, but didn't take her shopping or anything. She was fun to be around and I haven't replied yet; could very well ghost her and not pay but I enjoyed her company and would like to see her again. She's 20, attractive and a great lay. Any advice on multi day dates with seeking girls and how much to give?[/QUOTE]It's such a wide spread on seeking, and all depends on your negotiations. If you truly liked the experience and looking to repeat, just give her something in the 500 mil to 700 mil range, and tell her it is to help with her gastos(expenses). You already said you brought her gifts and paid for expenses like meals etc. 300mil a day is what I use, with weekly discounts if going that long. I know a dude that paid 2million for 2weeks. I also know a dude that paid 2Milliones for a session. Not too long ago, a dude here posted that he got a steal of a deal for 1.5milliones for a session. Jajaja. That's SA and mongers for you.

I'm arriving in Mde Friday & was wondering if the checking thing is still necessary & do I need proof a vaccination? Muchas gracias amigos.

Hello,

I haven't seen strip clubs much discussed here. How does the scene look like in Medellin and what prices can one expect?

I have some experience with strip clubs in Ukraine where one could just chill, sip a drink or smoke hookah while watching the girls dance without being bothered too much and even order some food. And by dance I don't mean the lazy undressing but the actual pole dance, a performance with some athleticism, skill and effort put into it.

Can I find something like that in Medellin?

I am falling behind. Too busy having fun. My finger is inside an 18 year-old pussy so tight that if I am not at least 80% full-mast I end up pushing rope. The fuckin' pussies around here are incredible. Four different chicas. There's that Freckle again, jeje. She's in Peru by now. Haven't stopped thinking about her but that indescribable feeling we had going is fading fast. Don't go chasing waterfalls. There's always another beautiful one around the bend.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2705741]Of all the descriptions I have heard about Centro, medellin, this is a first. "It's cleaner and more inviting" you say? Compared to what? [/QUOTE]Compared to Santa Fe in Bogota, like he said. I haven't been to Santa Fe in a few years but I agree. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. Both places are pretty hinky but I find Bogota to be dirtier than Medellin. [I]Ad utrumque paratus[/I].

[QUOTE=RacShack;2705592]Not true about the not knowing Spanish and it isn't going to happen! Not sure why you would be so adamant about your statement, I watched and been with friends more then once that pulled it off and I myself could of pulled it off if I was ready to become a street rat, which on my next upcoming trip I will! Now I would agree that it's not for everyone and the person must be confident and not over think that your not getting married and just going to fuck a working girl, but telling newbie's and everyone else that it's not going to happen is spreading false information bud! Stat safe have fun![/QUOTE]If you click with a Ground Zero chica, you can get by with eye movements and hand gestures. Adapt! Now here come the jokes about what are the hand signals for this and that, jeje.

How do you guys getting FB chicas in Medellin?

What l did so far.

1. Create fake FB account.

2. Randomly find people who lives in Medellin.

3. Friend those and just look for their friends who are female and especially whose photo look slutty.

4. So far the hit rate is zero. And l figure it might better off for me to pay SA membership as the SA response rate of CDMX is almost 100 percent. (As a baseline).

Thanks for the guidance.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2705626]Elvis had a list of straw men going and you took up the mantle. Wink. There's really no basis for pride in paying hookers, though hopefully one enjoys themselves. What I do is find casa and Centro strip club girls, enjoy them there, then ones I especially like I invite to a nice love motel in Laureles, usually with jaccuzi. And I'll say for the 1001st time, the Centro casa and strip club girls are from the same handful of lower tier neighborhoods as your "higher end" providers. It's all perception, maybe some nicer clothes for the latter but at the end of the day they are all the same. As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]LOL. I am not sure what the straw man is. I said guys like you would say all the women are the same and anything over $15 is overpaying, and you confirmed it.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2705626]And I'll say for the 1001st time, the Centro casa and strip club girls are from the same handful of lower tier neighborhoods as your "higher end" providers. It's all perception, maybe some nicer clothes for the latter but at the end of the day they are all the same. As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy.[/QUOTE]Seeing as how you admit to seeing only girls from the slums, you have pretty much checked yourself out of knowing anything but those types. For the guys who want higher quality women from better neighborhoods, which I guess you think is impossible but I have done, your advice is worthless.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2705794]How do you guys getting FB chicas in Medellin?

What l did so far.

1. Create fake FB account.

2. Randomly find people who lives in Medellin.

3. Friend those and just look for their friends who are female and especially whose photo look slutty.

4. So far the hit rate is zero. And l figure it might better off for me to pay SA membership as the SA response rate of CDMX is almost 100 percent. (As a baseline).

Thanks for the guidance.[/QUOTE]Reading is fundamental. This has been covered so many times here. Sorry but your steps are faltered.

[QUOTE=Binder;2705500]...how much to give?[/QUOTE]I would be careful about giving money or how you give her. I think your purpose is to reward her or thank her. You may offend her if she is not in it for money or she is not sure yet. You can try to ask her like [I]que buscas en la app?[/I] so she can tell you.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705844]I would be careful about giving money or how you give her. I think your purpose is to reward her or thank her. You may offend her if she is not in it for money or she is not sure yet. You can try to ask her like [I]que buscas en la app?[/I] so she can tell you.[/QUOTE]Exactly. I don't know if it is thinking too highly or too lowly of yourself to believe every woman that you meet is in need of your money.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2705712]Hmm. I have met quite a few and I wouldn't say that. Of 10 or so that I know they seemed scattered around the south end mostly. Envigado, Itagui, etc. As well as Poblado. I only knew one that lived in Laureles, but there are lots of foreigners there for sure.[/QUOTE]I doubt the average monger is going to travel from Itagui all the way to el centro. I get what you are saying though, I hear sabaneta is nice and very affordable too.

I would like to meet the average monger. He seems very popular and influential.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705898]I doubt the average monger is going to travel from Itagui all the way to el centro. I get what you are saying though, I hear sabaneta is nice and very affordable too.[/QUOTE]

Innocent bystander here. There is quite a bit of youtube content about Centro. I personally think there is too much of it and several girls have told me the agree with me. Some of them have had problems with family back home who learned about their profession on youtube. Back to the point, anyone who wants to assess the scene without actually dipping a toe can look at it from the safety and comfort of their home or hotel.

I've written about this before. It is only a matter of time before one of the youtubers is going to be made to regret what they publish as much as their unwilling subjects. There are drug dealers, pimps, and truly innocent passersby who have also mentioned to me they aren't happy about appearing in unauthorized videos narrated by shit talking gringos.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705629]I think centro rats are innocent bystanders 😕.

Really you could just post a report with pictures (no contact info) to let people know what they are missing. Some would not agree but I guess there could be more who would agree with you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2705794]How do you guys getting FB chicas in Medellin?

What l did so far.

1. Create fake FB account.

2. Randomly find people who lives in Medellin.

3. Friend those and just look for their friends who are female and especially whose photo look slutty.

4. So far the hit rate is zero. And l figure it might better off for me to pay SA membership as the SA response rate of CDMX is almost 100 percent. (As a baseline).

Thanks for the guidance.[/QUOTE]LOL, not going to work that way and same happened to me when I first started. Like I was an idiot doing that for months seeking and adding random people in mde and nada. Till one day after I exchanged phone number w a gringo while I was in Medellin, and somehow he appeared on my FB feed and added him and my goodness, I saw all his pretty FB GF and added few. Then after I visited each girl' page to see other gringo friends (look for American names), then browsed their friends to steal and befriend some of their sluts. Most dudes incl myself are smart and make our friend list private, but many suckers don't LOL. Then once you have like 20-50 you'll go to hundreds quick since FB will suggest none but other hunnies. That's the only way my fellow hunter. Find a gringo or few known working chica profiles and expand through their network. In this very forum many have posted some chica profiles free, I'd start w those. I don't share chica but I always share direct and raw intel.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705898]I doubt the average monger is going to travel from Itagui all the way to el centro. I get what you are saying though, I hear sabaneta is nice and very affordable too.[/QUOTE]These are guys that live there. Most I know never go to Centro for chicas. They have their own contact lists, methods, girlfriends, etc.

I met most of them in Patricks Irish bar over various trips (in Parque Lleras in Poblado).

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2705898]I doubt the average monger is going to travel from Itagui all the way to el centro. I get what you are saying though, I hear sabaneta is nice and very affordable too.[/QUOTE]You get on the Metro at Ayura Station and it takes about 10 minutes to get to El Centro from Itagui. It's a few minutes longer from Sabaneta, but very quick and easy.

If I was moving back, I'd probably be looking in Itagui or maybe San Antonio del Prado. Easy to get around the city from there, quieter and cheaper.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2705765]Hello,

I haven't seen strip clubs much discussed here. How does the scene look like in Medellin and what prices can one expect?
[/QUOTE]It is discussed frequently here. I think you just do not know it is talkng about it.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2705765].
I have some experience with strip clubs in Ukraine where one could just chill, sip a drink or smoke hookah while watching the girls dance without being bothered too much and even order some food. And by dance I don't mean the lazy undressing but the actual pole dance, a performance with some athleticism, skill and effort put into it.

Can I find something like that in Medellin?[/QUOTE]This is La Isla except you will be bothered by the strippers for tip. 2 mil each will solve the issue.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2705790]If you click with a Ground Zero chica, you can get by with eye movements and hand gestures. Adapt! Now here come the jokes about what are the hand signals for this and that, jeje.[/QUOTE]The original context is for a guy that is new to El Centro the first time and he wants to invite a girl he just met to his apartment. Even if he pulls it off and the girls agree to everything, but we know it can change when in the room in San Peter. Is this a wise thing to do?

[QUOTE=Shemp;2705756]I'm arriving in Mde Friday & was wondering if the checking thing is still necessary & do I need proof a vaccination? Muchas gracias amigos.[/QUOTE]Chech-mig is still required. Fully vaccinated or Covid antigen test within last 48 hours or Covid PCR test within last 72 hours is required. No booster shots are required.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2705626]As to the bragging, I mostly see that from the guys paying more who think they have game, think they have a girlfriend, think it's smart to send Western Unions, think their girls are seeing fewer guys than most, whatever. It's your fantasy. Enjoy it.[/QUOTE]My girl is different.

Pattaya: Surprise surprise! German returns to find no girlfriend. Just used condoms, boxers and his Ducati missing!

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That is a fair question. I don't have much experience with gringo hotels and Airbnb's around Medellin but the question that also occurs to me is whether it's preferable to have to renegotiate on temporary home turf or in short time hotel behind the Veracruz church. It's a bit of measles or mumps type choice.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705927]The original context is for a guy that is new to El Centro the first time and he wants to invite a girl he just met to his apartment. Even if he pulls it off and the girls agree to everything, but we know it can change when in the room in San Peter. Is this a wise thing to do?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2705790]If you click with a Ground Zero chica, you can get by with eye movements and hand gestures. Adapt! Now here come the jokes about what are the hand signals for this and that, jeje.[/QUOTE]I'd like to see you use only eye contact and hand gestures to get a 30 k centro girl whom you've never met before to go back with you to poblado or laureles. Please do tell us Ostee which is the proper hand signal for that??

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705927]The original context is for a guy that is new to El Centro the first time and he wants to invite a girl he just met to his apartment. Even if he pulls it off and the girls agree to everything, but we know it can change when in the room in San Peter. Is this a wise thing to do?[/QUOTE]This has been an interesting topic, probably the first time it's really been "debated and dissected" so much on this thread. I can remember when you would never see girls who worked Centro working Parque Lleras years ago, whom started working it about a year before the Pandemic began. So if a guy runs into a girl who works both venues, shouldn't be an issue, unless he has no Spanish speaking skills, hence not a wise thing to do.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2705909]Innocent bystander here. There is quite a bit of youtube content about Centro. I personally think there is too much of it and several girls have told me the agree with me. Some of them have had problems with family back home who learned about their profession on youtube. Back to the point, anyone who wants to assess the scene without actually dipping a toe can look at it from the safety and comfort of their home or hotel.

I've written about this before. It is only a matter of time before one of the youtubers is going to be made to regret what they publish as much as their unwilling subjects. There are drug dealers, pimps, and truly innocent passersby who have also mentioned to me they aren't happy about appearing in unauthorized videos narrated by shit talking gringos.[/QUOTE]This is a very sensitive issue in Centro when guys have their phones out and are taking videos, although I think some have hidden cameras in shirt pockets.

I on a few occasions have had my phone with me in Centro, and one day while standing opposite the Veracruz Church along the glass covered walkway I took my phone out to take a photo of the Putas lined up along the low stone wall and one Puta who has worked there since the beginning of time started yelling at me.

Your right, one of these days someone is going to get slashed up for photographing and taking videos in Centro.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2705794]How do you guys getting FB chicas in Medellin?

What l did so far.

1. Create fake FB account.

2. Randomly find people who lives in Medellin.

3. Friend those and just look for their friends who are female and especially whose photo look slutty.

4. So far the hit rate is zero. And l figure it might better off for me to pay SA membership as the SA response rate of CDMX is almost 100 percent. (As a baseline).

Thanks for the guidance.[/QUOTE]You start by reading the forum. This subject has been covered many times. To save you from having to read to much, go to the "Links to Reports of Distinction" message thread and start reading there. The answers you seek won't take long to find.

This made me laugh out loud.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2705934]My girl is different.

Pattaya: Surprise surprise! German returns to find no girlfriend. Just used condoms, boxers and his Ducati missing!

[URL]https://aseannow.com/topic/1261721-pattaya-surprise-surprise-german-returns-to-find-no-girlfriend-just-used-condoms-boxers-and-his-ducati-missing/#comment-17398242[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2705909]There is quite a bit of youtube content about Centro. I personally think there is too much of it and several girls have told me the agree with me. Some of them have had problems with family back home who learned about their profession on youtube.[/QUOTE]Wait a minute. The chances of a local combing through hundreds of hours of footage of downtown Medellin on what is probably foreign youtube channels and seeing their loved one has to be astronomical. Even if they were actively searching for it I would have to say there is a minute chance of seeing their particular family member. And you know several chicks whose families and found out this way? I hope you advised them to play the lottery.

[QUOTE]. Have fun, stay safe, if you're barebacking like I've been doing, do yourself a favor and take azithromycin 1500 MG once a week during your trip.

It costs like 10 k COP at the droguera and I haven't caught any STDs so far on this trip.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is how it works.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2706047]I don't think that is how it works.[/QUOTE]This is new to me. I always purchase a pack of Azythromycin when I visit Colombia, but for typical STD treatment, like gonorrhea / chlamydia. Please share with us your info showing that this works for HIV.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2705592]Not true about the not knowing Spanish and it isn't going to happen! Not sure why you would be so adamant about your statement, I watched and been with friends more then once that pulled it off and I myself could of pulled it off [/QUOTE]We all have different personalities and different abilities. If you are a person who thinks you could pull it off then I am sure you can. We each are aware of our own capabilities and comfort. That being said, I never finished my reports of when I was last in Medellin in March, so here goes a portion relevant to the discussion.

Like 8 pm I hopped on the train out of Laureles headed downtown. When I was transferring at San Antonio station there was a big ruckus. Some guy was trying to rob someone and there was a big mob about to get in his ass when the police caught him in the act. Surprisingly the guy went peacefully with the female officer. I hopped the next train one stop to Parque Berrio.

I have already reported about the Vennies at the station that offered me a threesome for 100 K. I have also reported about the chick I hit in Raudal for 60 K.

I left Raudal headed back to the church to look for the Vennie that said she would do me up for 30 K. Before I got there I was walking behind 2 Black guys that I heard speaking English. I approached them and just so happened that one was from my city and the other was from Houston. I joined them at a bar on the strip. Dammit I thought I wrote the name down but I do not see it. Think it started with a P. Anyway the guy from my city left and I stayed to hang out with the dread head from Houston.

This bar had a motley crew of characters. There was a newly 18 year old chick running the place. Her mom is usually the boss but she had the night off. There was a transvestite with hideous surgeries. There was a chick that kept crying that her girlfriend beat her up and burned her with cigarettes. And there were other street walkers that kept stopping by. It was my kind of place.

Dread said that it was his first time in Medellin and had been in town for 2 weeks and was staying in Laureles. He said that he stayed in Poblado for like 1 day then was like fuck that place. It was too uppity for him plus all the hills. Every night he comes to that bar until it shuts down. He seemed to know everyone and everyone's business that came through the place. All the guys dapped him up and all the girls hugged him.

Most of the chicks that walked by he said that he had already fucked. Many he had taken to his place and some even stayed at his place for free after he bought them alcohol or cigarettes or some bullshit like that they wanted but had no money for.

He told me that the mafia runs the place and knew the guy that came to collect money from that bar and the one across the street every night. He had a bottle of rum in his pants pocket and offered me some. I got a cup from the boss but she did not have any ice. He knew the bar to run to to get ice for me. He came back and we finished off his bottle.

He said that sometimes he sits upstairs at a place across the street that overlooks the street. I told him we should get another bottle. He said the only place that was open was a store around the corner at Raudal. We walked over there and grabbed another bottle for 26 K. He told me there was going to be a party at Bar Monaco so we walked to look at the Raudal chicks on our way over there.

He told me how good the street chicken was from this one particular lady so I decided to try some. It was fucking delicious. I came back later to get another order to go. The lady, her husband, and her brother run the place. They even took pictures of me frying the chicken. Bar Monaco was going good but we decided to go back to "our" bar.

I had told the chick running the bar that I would bring her some chocolate back since she was giving me free club sodas. Soon the guy collecting the money showed up. It was near closing time. It was like him and Dread were old buddies. They dapped each other up and had words. The guy stayed behind the bar a while talking to the chick, got the money, then headed to the bar across the street.

It was closing time so we headed back to Bar Monaco. The party was in full swing and they had a singer belting out Bruno Mars. I grabbed a chick to hang out with. After I was having a good time with her I decided to buy her a drink. When I started asking about fucking it was no dice. So I guess these chicks just hang out and dance and drink with you.

It was close to 4 am and I decided to call it a night. I told Dread that I would holler at him later. He stayed behind. Yeah. He stayed downtown at 4 am, where most of you guys are even afraid to go at high noon. And here is the kicker: This mf did not speak a lick of Spanish and kept pulling out his phone for Google Translate. He was like a hog in slop and living his best life. So yes, it all can be done by a new guy in town, without Spanish and without getting robbed.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2706057]This is new to me. I always purchase a pack of Azythromycin when I visit Colombia, but for typical STD treatment, like gonorrhea / chlamydia. Please share with us your info showing that this works for HIV.[/QUOTE]I was referring to the more common stds such as gonorrhea / chlamydia / syphilis etc. Obviously an antibiotic isn't going to offer any protection against a virus. If you wanted to use prophylaxis drugs to prevent viruses such as HIV you would need to also take Emtricitabine / tenofovir (Truvada) which actually is used to prevent transmission of HIV, it's called prep. Also to prevent transmission of HSV1/2 there is a drug called Valtrex available. And for HPV there is a vaccine called gardasil 9. That pretty much covers all the major STDs out there, so Azythromycin once a week, Truvada and Valtrex daily and get the gardasil 9 vaccine before ur trip and ur pretty much covering all ur bases.

In recent days, Colombia Lover and several other posters have pondered some of the profoundest of economic questions: Is the Medellin Chica Market "free"? Is it an "efficient" one? The following is based on my hazy (can it really be, 60 year old memory) of an undergraduate Ec 101 course supplemented by some rapid googling.

As Villainy has pointed out, a free market is simply one in which prices are determined without any external restrictions on the competition among buyers and sellers--be it restrictions from government in the form of quotas, price-controls, tariffs, taxes, etc ,or from private monopolists who control enough of the market to dictate pricing. In that sense, the monger/puta market would seem to qualify as one of the freest that one can imagine. And one with no "barriers to entry" other than a chica's willingness to spread her legs for total strangers, including those of us who are potbellied, wrinkled, foul of breath, or irredeemable jerks. Well, with one likely exception: I imagine that any entrepreneurial guy (or mamasan) who wants to open / operate a casa or a strip club here in Medellin may need the blessing of (I. E have to make payoffs) to politicos, the gendarmerie, and / or cartel thugs.

What about market efficiency? That refers to the extent to which all participants (buyers and sellers alike) share complete and up to date information relevant to pricing. "If markets are efficient, then all information is already incorporated into prices, and so there is no way to "beat" the market because there are no undervalued or overvalued assets (I. E. Pussy in our case) available. " Clearly we mongers and our putas operate in a fairly inefficient market-as evidenced by the gringos forking out $200 and up for Gusto girls, the rampant photoshopping of chica pictures on FB and mileeroticos, the reports on this thread of El Centro girls (readily available for 30 K by the Veracruz church) having been spotted hawking their wares for 200 k in Parque Llleras.

Perhaps we ISG board members can flatter ourselves that, in a sense, we're like successful inside traders, with access to privileged information from this thread. If that's the case, then let's take a moment to celebrate the market inefficiency.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706072] This mf did not speak a lick of Spanish and kept pulling out his phone for Google Translate. He was like a hog in slop and living his best life. So yes, it all can be done by a new guy in town, without Spanish and without getting robbed.[/QUOTE]That's quite a yarn Mr. E.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706044]Wait a minute. The chances of a local combing through hundreds of hours of footage of downtown Medellin on what is probably foreign youtube channels and seeing their loved one has to be astronomical. Even if they were actively searching for it I would have to say there is a minute chance of seeing their particular family member. And you know several chicks whose families and found out this way? I hope you advised them to play the lottery.[/QUOTE]It can happen. Considering the size of Colombian families and extended families, family friends, friends from school and all the rest and the chance is probably better than what you would expect.

However, whether it happens or not doesn't matter. What matters is if someone thinks it could happen. I remember being in Parque Bolivar with another BM and he took a picture of the church. Some homeless guy started yelling and making threats because he thought the guy had taken his picture.

If the wrong person in El Centro thinks someone is taking their picture it doesn't take much imagination to figure out how quickly things can turn ugly.

If you use search terms like Medellin+centro you will seem some familiar faces and places. You likely know some of these girls send money back home for children and other relatives. It is how their families know they are in Medellin. Once again, to avoid unnecessary back and forth, and in the interest of helping guys who might be behind what you called "foreign channels," I'm only passing along what several of girls have told me. I will go along with the idea that it's an impossible coincidence so as not to bicker. Anyone who wants to continue producing homemade documentaries is now making an informed decision.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706044]Wait a minute. The chances of a local combing through hundreds of hours of footage of downtown Medellin on what is probably foreign youtube channels and seeing their loved one has to be astronomical. Even if they were actively searching for it I would have to say there is a minute chance of seeing their particular family member. And you know several chicks whose families and found out this way? I hope you advised them to play the lottery.[/QUOTE]

Addendum to my post.

Most importantly, in a perfectly efficient pussy market, there would be no diamonds-in-the-rough to discover, no hidden gems--that ultimate of monger prizes.

Hey guys,

I don't post enough here but that will change. I've been living in Medellin on and off for around a year and a half and one of my favourit things is heading down to barra ejecutiva on the weekend, I've been to all the strip clubs and this one is the best IMO. Thing is I'm running out of buddies to go with, everyone seems to be heading out of Colombia for the year, have girlfriends or are not into dodgy centro strip clubs jaja. If any members are in Medellin for the next couple of months and fancy a cheap bottle of rum, even cheaper girls and a night out send me a dm. Happy to help any newbies out who fancy something a bit more risky than New Life or Fase dos, I'm in my late 30's and speak ok Spanish if that means anything.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2706115]If you use search terms like Medellin+centro you will seem some familiar faces and places.[/QUOTE]Pardon my disbelief. I just find it hard to believe the average Colombian is sitting around entering search terms like Medellin+centro. Like they are just sitting around with nothing to do and are going to enter Medellin + centro in youtube and watch a bunch of hookers on the corner on their screen. Then all of a sudden, that looks like Mary; it IS Mary! And for several people to have repeated this same scenario of being found out.

[QUOTE=ElViajero;2706130]Hey guys,

I don't post enough here but that will change. I've been living in Medellin on and off for around a year and a half and one of my favorite things is heading down to barra ejecutiva on the weekend, I've been to all the strip clubs and this one is the best IMO. Thing is I'm running out of buddies to go with, everyone seems to be heading out of Colombia for the year, have girlfriends or are not into dodgy centro strip clubs jaja. If any members are in Medellin for the next couple of months and fancy a cheap bottle of rum, even cheaper girls and a night out send me a DM. Happy to help any newbies out who fancy something a bit more risky than New Life or Fase dos, I'm in my late 30's and speak ok Spanish if that means anything.[/QUOTE]Sent you PM. I'll be there with a buddy July 4-9 first time so we can use some guidance we are also in late 30's.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2705927]The original context is for a guy that is new to El Centro the first time and he wants to invite a girl he just met to his apartment. Even if he pulls it off and the girls agree to everything, but we know it can change when in the room in San Peter. Is this a wise thing to do?[/QUOTE]Guilty of scanning posts, as charged.

My cellular got stolen today, I'll probably write it up later.

There has been a yelling match going on in the hallway of the Nutti for the last hour so, English speaking guy, Spanish speaking chica, a third-male party, something about a stolen laptop and a date with no sex. Kudos to the guy for keeping such a calm head. Sounds like it wasn't clear exactly what the expectation would be at the end of the date for performance or payment, but of course I am just getting the highlights.

Flame is due here in an hour at midnight. Her first visit this trip. Not on my List, but she never disappoints. She is the consummate professional and her every move is pleasurable. I consider her a friend. I feel tired but strong.

Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2706083]

Perhaps we ISG board members can flatter ourselves that, in a sense, we're like successful inside traders, with access to privileged information from this thread.[/QUOTE]And there's a pun inside, inside, jaja, hole of your choosing.

It's 2 AM, Flame's appointment was at midnight. I know from experience that is her "when I start getting ready" time. She was kind enough to message me that her period started to "come down" tonight when she was bathing (she is meticulously clean). I told her I would work, er, lick around it, jejeje.

The Trouble with Trannies; I Told You So Asti; or something much, much more.

Unbelievably to me at least, I have been here more than a month and this was my first mongering foray into Ground Zero this trip.

I was feeling randy and raw the night before when I messaged one of my favorite Ground Zero perennials, a cute tranny I will call Mariz, to find me a chica who I could face-fuck the next day, hard and deep at Ground Zero. I specified position, ass and legs sitting flat on the floor with her back against the bed, neck at the edge of the mattress, and that her face would be flat against my abdomen without condom when I climaxed for deep swallow. I offered 80 mil. I told her it would be hard and deep. She said she would find me the right girl.

When I showed up the next day, the girl flaked on us, if there was a girl. As I was leaving Ground Zero, I saw another tranny who I have known for over a year. She was the same tranny who introduced me her childhood friend, Pumpkin, who I have written about many times here. Pumpkin holds a solid position in the bottom half of my Top Ten List. The point is I was two degrees of separation from a new girl with my tranny friend for what I did next.

This new girl standing next to the tranny. I had not seen before. Bigger than me but I found her attractive. I was horny because of missing out on the face fuck I had "planned". I asked her three times if she was trans and she said no. I tried to cop a feel under her skirt but there were two Policia less than ten yards away facing us. The three of us went to the Love Motel and did some tussi and then my tranny friend left. The drug haters will point to the tussi as an "I told you so" example, but I believe the tussi helped prevent the situation from developing into violence.

She was getting positioned to give the blowjob when I said, let me see your pussy, and she wouldn't. That's when I made my first big mistake and countered advice I have given many times here which is to pay your way out of a bad situation, and keep things peaceful. I told her I was not going to pay her and got up ready to leave. Bad move, especially with a tranny. She changed as fast as you can flip a switch.

With lightening fast jabs she reached into my bolsa or shoulder bag and came out with and a handful of money and I was not sure what else. Almost as fast I reached back into her bag and pulled my money back out. Then she did the same again to my bag, jab, jab, then she got up and ran down the stairs. I followed as quick as I could, managed to catch her in the street for a second, reached into her bag again and came out with a single cincuenta or 50 note. She took off, faster than me, and like an idiot I returned to the room.

Once there, I confirmed my cell phone was gone.

Wait, it's just starting to get good.

I returned to my hotel room at The Nutti. Ran into a fellow mongerer from ISG for the first time, EarthEatMoon. I invited him up to my room and we had a great visit. Very cool guy, we had a few things in common. Our conversation was focused and intense, a lot to do with what just happened to me and some interesting recent experiences of his first-time mongering here in El Centro. I generally will not make a point to meet up with random guys from the ISG, but the times I have done so, they were all stand-up guys with whom I got the feeling I could trust.

While MoonPie was here, who should walk in behind me but Pumpkin. Now remember, Pumpkin is two degrees separated from the perp, but did not know her. After a nice visit with MoonPie, Pumpkin told me, "Put on your clothes, let's go try to find your phone".

We sauntered over to Ground Zero and to my amazement, the first girl she stopped to talk to and who I had never seen before, already knew the entire story. She said the tranny perp in question had been arrested after I left for of all things, stealing from Johns. Go figure.

We walked over to the police substation (they are called "cai's" in Medellin) at the bottom NE corner of the San Antonio metro station. A nice a professional police guarding the front door confirmed her arrest and even knew of my cell phone. While they were processing her, they had to attend to a sudden bigger crime outside and they left her. She did the same thing I would've done. She went home.

No phone, no fotos. More to come.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.[/QUOTE]But to me at least, that sounds more like an off-night than a general state of affairs. Happy Hunting, and Keep On Keepin' On!

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.[/QUOTE]New Life can change with the times. One thing that I have learned is that talent will change in these types of places. It may not be overnight but businesses will follow the money and the trend.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble.[/QUOTE]Why not? That is probably why the place has gone downhill; nobody wants to give honest feedback, so the bad apples stay in or the silicone amazons stay in. They think everyone is fine with it because nobody wants to say anything.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, light is very important. One cannot depend on smell alone, one has to look out for things such as rashes and sores which are session aborters no matter how small or insignificant looking.

I think you made the right choice. All the moves the girl made are a tell that she finds the work unbearable. Much more often than not, in my experience, they turn out to be red flags that an unfulfilling experience is about to happen.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.[/QUOTE]

Some of the people in Centro are neither Colombian nor gringos. Stick with your beliefs.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706133]Pardon my disbelief. I just find it hard to believe the average Colombian is sitting around entering search terms like Medellin+centro. Like they are just sitting around with nothing to do and are going to enter Medellin + centro in youtube and watch a bunch of hookers on the corner on their screen. Then all of a sudden, that looks like Mary; it IS Mary! And for several people to have repeated this same scenario of being found out.[/QUOTE]

You get it. Some won't until it's too late.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2706100]It can happen. Considering the size of Colombian families and extended families, family friends, friends from school and all the rest and the chance is probably better than what you would expect.

However, whether it happens or not doesn't matter. What matters is if someone thinks it could happen. I remember being in Parque Bolivar with another BM and he took a picture of the church. Some homeless guy started yelling and making threats because he thought the guy had taken his picture.

If the wrong person in El Centro thinks someone is taking their picture it doesn't take much imagination to figure out how quickly things can turn ugly.[/QUOTE]

I guess I don't understand what reason people I know in Centro would make up stories like this, or why after they tell me and I look at youtube, sure enough there they are.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2706100]It can happen. Considering the size of Colombian families and extended families, family friends, friends from school and all the rest and the chance is probably better than what you would expect.

However, whether it happens or not doesn't matter. What matters is if someone thinks it could happen. I remember being in Parque Bolivar with another BM and he took a picture of the church. Some homeless guy started yelling and making threats because he thought the guy had taken his picture.

If the wrong person in El Centro thinks someone is taking their picture it doesn't take much imagination to figure out how quickly things can turn ugly.[/QUOTE]

Happy Pride Month.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706198]The Trouble with Trannies; I Told You So Asti; or something much, much more.

Unbelievably to me at least, I have been here more than a month and this was my first mongering foray into Ground Zero this trip.

I was feeling randy and raw the night before when I messaged one of my favorite Ground Zero perennials, a cute tranny I will call Mariz, to find me a chica who I could face-fuck the next day, hard and deep at Ground Zero. I specified position, ass and legs sitting flat on the floor with her back against the bed, neck at the edge of the mattress, and that her face would be flat against my abdomen without condom when I climaxed for deep swallow. I offered 80 mil. I told her it would be hard and deep. She said she would find me the right girl.

When I showed up the next day, the girl flaked on us, if there was a girl. As I was leaving Ground Zero, I saw another tranny who I have known for over a year. She was the same tranny who introduced me her childhood friend, Pumpkin, who I have written about many times here. Pumpkin holds a solid position in the bottom half of my Top Ten List. The point is I was two degrees of separation from a new girl with my tranny friend for what I did next.

This new girl standing next to the tranny. I had not seen before. Bigger than me but I found her attractive. I was horny because of missing out on the face fuck I had "planned". I asked her three times if she was trans and she said no. I tried to cop a feel under her skirt but there were two Policia less than ten yards away facing us. The three of us went to the Love Motel and did some tussi and then my tranny friend left. The drug haters will point to the tussi as an "I told you so" example, but I believe the tussi helped prevent the situation from developing into violence.

She was getting positioned to give the blowjob when I said, let me see your pussy, and she wouldn't. That's when I made my first big mistake and countered advice I have given many times here which is to pay your way out of a bad situation, and keep things peaceful. I told her I was not going to pay her and got up ready to leave. Bad move, especially with a tranny. She changed as fast as you can flip a switch.

With lightening fast jabs she reached into my bolsa or shoulder bag and came out with and a handful of money and I was not sure what else. Almost as fast I reached back into her bag and pulled my money back out. Then she did the same again to my bag, jab, jab, then she got up and ran down the stairs. I followed as quick as I could, managed to catch her in the street for a second, reached into her bag again and came out with a single cincuenta or 50 note. She took off, faster than me, and like an idiot I returned to the room.

Once there, I confirmed my cell phone was gone.

Wait, it's just starting to get good.

I returned to my hotel room at The Nutti. Ran into a fellow mongerer from ISG for the first time, EarthEatMoon. I invited him up to my room and we had a great visit. Very cool guy, we had a few things in common. Our conversation was focused and intense, a lot to do with what just happened to me and some interesting recent experiences of his first-time mongering here in El Centro. I generally will not make a point to meet up with random guys from the ISG, but the times I have done so, they were all stand-up guys with whom I got the feeling I could trust.

While MoonPie was here, who should walk in behind me but Pumpkin. Now remember, Pumpkin is two degrees separated from the perp, but did not know her. After a nice visit with MoonPie, Pumpkin told me, "Put on your clothes, let's go try to find your phone".

We sauntered over to Ground Zero and to my amazement, the first girl she stopped to talk to and who I had never seen before, already knew the entire story. She said the tranny perp in question had been arrested after I left for of all things, stealing from Johns. Go figure.

We walked over to the police substation (they are called "cai's" in Medellin) at the bottom NE corner of the San Antonio metro station. A nice a professional police guarding the front door confirmed her arrest and even knew of my cell phone. While they were processing her, they had to attend to a sudden bigger crime outside and they left her. She did the same thing I would've done. She went home.

No phone, no fotos. More to come.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706072]... I joined them at a bar on the strip. Dammit I thought I wrote the name down but I do not see it. Think it started with a P. .[/QUOTE] This bar? Is the fried chicken stand nearby?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706152]Stopped at the New Life this evening. The line up wasn't much to look at, same old silicone amazonian type girls but not the same quality as before. The quality at New Life seems to be declining, at least from where it use to be I think. Anyhow, when I step inside the room with the girl I selected I turned the light on and she turns it off and I turned it back on. She says something about the light bothers her and she just wanted the light from the bathroom on, which offered little light (screw that I'm not forking in the dark I like to see where I 'm putting my dick) then she turned the music loud and I could tell she had a bit of an attitude. The vibe was kinda gone by then, so I thought about it and said the hell with it and left the room went down stairs told the guy that runs the place I changed my mind. He told me to pay the 3 k viewing fee. When I walked towards the payment window, one of the other girls from the line-up asked me if everything was ok and I said everything was fine. I didn't want get the girl in trouble. Let the one I left in the room tell them what ever she wants after all she has to work there and all the girls usually hate on one another at these places anyways. Good thing these casa's prices are cheap, but it was getting late and these places close generally around 7 pm so I had make up for very little time left. Its seems like I'm going to have to upgrade to FB girls, maybe that's where all the good casa girls have gone. I'm done with New Life for now, at least on this trip.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report. New Life seems pretty good mostly but I have seen it go from 10/10 to 3/10 in one day. Talent changes a lot.

The more important question is. Which other casas can compete with new life in terms of quality and quantity?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706198]The Trouble with Trannies; I Told You So Asti; or something much, much more....[/QUOTE]I have never seen one in person that is passable. Especially someone who is big. Did you ask for ID?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2706337]Happy Pride Month.[/QUOTE]You gave me my first good laugh of the day. Good one, thanks. Is it really Pride Month?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2706309]I guess I don't understand what reason people I know in Centro would make up stories like this, or why after they tell me and I look at youtube, sure enough there they are.[/QUOTE]Most of the SW's in Centro have smart phones, and data is cheap at about 1,000 COP a day.

And lots of SW's like watching videos, and do so on YouTube to pass the time.

And for a SW that typically stands in the same place, and works alongside the Church, or the backside, or other well travelled areas will see themselves in multiple YouTube videos as you mention.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2706358]I have never seen one in person that is passable. Especially someone who is big. Did you ask for ID?[/QUOTE]The thought never occurred to me to ask for ID. I have often done so for age but not for gender. Wow. Check out that bias. Thanks for the improved self-awareness.

You are describing "Toupee Syndrome. " People make fun of guys who wear a "rug" on their head because they can look awful. But the good, professionally done and maintained rugs looks so good you can't tell they are fake. Chances are you have seen many trannies in person that passed but you simply did not know it because they were that good. Ground Zero is probably not the best venue for this, but there are chicks with dicks out there with shaved Adams apples, permanent hair removal, and hormone supplements, that would fool any and everyone."

Plus, my little head was taking over my big head because I went to Ground Zero with the "desire" and "plan" to have a new girl give me a nice, hard, deep face-fuck, which didn't happen. Words in quotes because those who follow me know that I see a pattern in my life when those words are involved, things don't often turn out for the better.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2706337]Happy Pride Month.[/QUOTE]Yeh, its too bad the mods can't redirect all the tranny, druggie and mod squad posts into a separate section.

[QUOTE=Bill;2706367]Yeh, its too bad the mods can't redirect all the tranny, druggie and mod squad posts into a separate section.[/QUOTE]Or you are simply projecting?

Do some tusi then have another look.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2706358]I have never seen one in person that is passable. Especially someone who is big. Did you ask for ID?[/QUOTE]

There are some good lessons to be learned if you read between the lines. Personally I think the post is good fun.

[QUOTE=Bill;2706367]Yeh, its too bad the mods can't redirect all the tranny, druggie and mod squad posts into a separate section.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2706345]This bar? Is the fried chicken stand nearby?[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the bar. The chicken down farther right before Bar Monaco.

This is really not worth a lot of our time, but I'll just make one observation that counters the idea that the market is free. And that is "price fixing / controls" and taxes. Anyone who has stayed at the Mansion know that, in effect, there is "price fixing" among the regulars. Same with girls who belong to FB groups that openly talk about clients and pricing. To me, I see price fixing behavior all of the time with FB girls. Probably the same with many Tinder girls, SA girls, centro girls, and Lleras girls and Gusto girls. Within sub-parts of the market. I just find it all very interesting, but not as interesting as fucking young putas with tight pussies and lips that exist to suck me.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2706083]

As Villainy has pointed out, a free market is simply one in which prices are determined without any external restrictions on the competition among buyers and sellers--be it restrictions from government in the form of quotas, price-controls, tariffs, taxes, etc ,or from private monopolists who control enough of the market to dictate pricing. In that sense, the monger/puta market would seem to qualify as one of the freest that one can imagine. And one with no "barriers to entry" other than a chica's willingness to spread her legs for total strangers, including those of us who are potbellied, wrinkled, foul of breath, or irredeemable jerks. Well, with one likely exception: I imagine that any entrepreneurial guy (or mamasan) who wants to open / operate a casa or a strip club here in Medellin may need the blessing of (I. E have to make payoffs) to politicos, the gendarmerie, and / or cartel thugs.

.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oterri;2706351]Which other casas can compete with new life in terms of quality and quantity?[/QUOTE]Probably none! That's why it's popular. I think it's best for quantity & quality & price but there are good days and bad days.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706366]The thought never occurred to me to ask for ID. I have often done so for age but not for gender.
[/QUOTE]After reading about your latest foray into Centro, I think your really pushing the envelope there, and one of these days, your luck is going to run out in Centro.

Just some friendly advice.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2706057]This is new to me. I always purchase a pack of Azythromycin when I visit Colombia, but for typical STD treatment, like gonorrhea / chlamydia. Please share with us your info showing that this works for HIV.[/QUOTE]"Azithromycin is a very, very valuable drug," said Kunin, an emeritus professor of medicine at Ohio State University and a former president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. "The excessive use of azithromycin is going to lead to widespread [U]azithromycin resistance[/U].

"You remove azithromycin, and what do you have left?" he said. "I call this the road to medical hell. ".

Antibiotic resistant infections are very scary.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2706450]"Azithromycin is a very, very valuable drug," said Kunin, an emeritus professor of medicine at Ohio State University and a former president of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. "The excessive use of azithromycin is going to lead to widespread [U]azithromycin resistance[/U].

"You remove azithromycin, and what do you have left?" he said. "I call this the road to medical hell. ".[/QUOTE]

Have you visited many others?

[QUOTE=Beobeo;2706426]Probably none! That's why it's popular. I think it's best for quantity & quality & price but there are good days and bad days.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oterri;2706351]
The more important question is. Which other casas can compete with new life in terms of quality and quantity?[/QUOTE]Certainly Fantasias Energy at a higher price point and not in Centro.

Where's the best place to buy a cheap cell phone in Medellin? In el Centro, in the Operanda mall behind the Nutribari or in Poblado in one of the malls. Any info would help. Thanks in advanced.

I know just enough Spanish to get into situations that I don't see coming. When I told Managerette I would take her to her friend's 25th birthday party at a finca (house in the country or farm) in Guatape, I thought it was going to be a more conservative affair, I don't know why, I think because the invitations were so nicely done. First thing I realized when we met at the private van early in the morning was that I more than double the age of everyone at the party, I counted 23 people, definitely none of them were close to thirty years old.

No problem, one thing I have noticed about Colombia is how warm and welcoming the people are. I have never felt less than welcome and accepted in any group of Colombians with whom I have had the pleasure of their company. If anything, they were overly nice to me I guess because I was older and from the United States, not sure why. Felt like I was asked a hundred times, "Esta bien?" or if I needed anything.

We were ten minutes down the road when they broke out the drugs, marijuana, tussi, and rum. That didn't stop until we loaded back into the van to return home. More than half the crowd did not sleep a wink the entire weekend and we started at 8 AM on Saturday and rolled back into Robledo villa Sofia at 8:30 PM on Sunday. Very top of the mountain. Steeper is cheaper.

There isn't enough sex in this story for an ISG post except for the girl, Managerette, who I have been pursuing for over a year. I have tagged her as the most conservative girl in Colombia. When we first met, she told me she would never sleep with me after she told me she would never go out with me. She was a manager at a hotel in Estadio where I stayed about a year ago, and she saw firsthand all my mongering activities.

I have been to her apartment a couple of times, met her family. She and her mom dyed my hair once. They all smoke pot.

I was aiming for this weekend party to be the day we finally did the dirty deed, but it wasn't to be. I was in a room with three other girls, one was Managerette and I had a separate twin bed. I gave one of the other girls in the room a foot massage, and that was it for my skin to skin contact for the weekend.

I had a blast. Lots of deafening music, non-stop tussi, pot and rum. About 2/3 of the crowd never slept a wink. I don't know why the bull dyke in the room always seems to hit on my date but she was very nice too and I danced with her a lot and massaged her shoulders in the van ride home.

Saturday we did Guatape including a boat tour. Sunday was cook-out jacuzzi day at the finca.

At one point when it was just Managerette and I trying to sleep in the room in separate beds, a guy came in and crawled into bed with her. Flashback to the mountaintop about a year earlier here when I was sleeping between Catgirl and her sobrina. Catgirl's brother came in and had sex with the sobrina in the pitch black room who was so close to me I could feel her breath.

Not quite as lustful this time. The dude got up and left after a few minutes, I asked Managerette if she wanted me to step out for a moment so she could have sex with him, and she said no, she didn't like him like that.

If you would've told me ahead of time what was in store, I probably would've refused the invitation. But Managerette knew practically every person at the party, and it was great to see her spend a weekend with her friends. For two people, 400.000 mil COP for room and board, drinks and drugs. Another 190.000 mil COP for the day in Guatape incuding the boat tour. One separate restaurant meal for three at 80.000 mil COP.

During the van ride home, the lesbo chica I liked made out with another chica shown in the foreground of the foto with the best-looking chicas at the party. They were fun to watch in the seats directly in front of us, while I did some tussy.

Stepping out of my comfort zone a little usually ends up in a very enriching cross cultural experience, like this one played out. Managerette and I have developed a true friendship and she loved it. Great weekend.

Fotos: Stairs to managerette's front door. If not for those stairs and that I had been to her apartment once before, I would not have been able to find the place. As sometimes happen when you get high enough in the mountain neighborhoods surrounding the valley, you lose the Internet and GPS. The numbers on the street often don't match the numbers of the address because you have to go searching inside the maze of buildings and apartments to find the specific address. Somewhat sphincter tightening.

The landscape was the view from the finca.

Managed to get a shot of the two best-looking girls at the party in one foto. I would say their combined average was a 7.777, jeje.

As always, stories about recreational drugs are purely fictional and are for entertainment purposes only. I am simply doing research for a fictional book I am writing about Medellin. I do not condone the use of illicit drugs and would never buy, sell, transport or use any illegal substances in any countries of the world.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706470]Where's the best place to buy a cheap cell phone in Medellin? In el Centro, in the Operanda mall behind the Nutribari or in Poblado in one of the malls. Any info would help. Thanks in advanced.[/QUOTE]El Opera behind Nutibara is much cheaper, they sell used refurbished phones. In Poblado you will be paying full price for a new phone. Depends what you're after.

If anyone ever loses their cell phone or gets robbed, I've got two brand new iphones still in the box (13 Pro Max 256 GB / 13 Pro 128 GB). I know the process when that happens, and the cost of phones in Medellin. So, I might still have them if you find yourself in a tight spot and need more than a burner. Well, that or if you fall in love with a prepago and want to see just what she might be willing to do if you give her a new iphone as a gift.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2706430]After reading about your latest foray into Centro, I think your really pushing the envelope there, and one of these days, your luck is going to run out in Centro.

Just some friendly advice.[/QUOTE]If I Die Tomorrow I Die a Happy Man, my epitaph will read, seriously. Don't mistake that for a Death Wish (channeling Charles Bronson), which is a totally different animal.

If I would have followed my own advice, paid her and left, nothing bad would have happened. The problem there is thinking clearly under times of stress.

I don't live life on the edge. I cross the line, fall off the cliff, grab a branch on the way down, scramble back up scratched and bruised, stake my claim, draw a line in the sand and dare anyone else to cross it, jajajajaja.

I've had more happiness than any person is due in the last few years, and I was a miserable wretch before that, so it's all good from here on out.

ISG has at the same time become one of the least and most important things in my life, Yin and Yang. Documenting my journey is helpful to my well-being.

I try not to give advice except when others appear to be putting themselves in or causing harm. I mostly will leave that to the subject matter experts such as yourself and that I have never claimed to be.

For myself, if people want to use me as the poster child for what not to do in Medellin, I take zero offense there. But there is more going on with me than that and some people here get it more than others.

Thanks for the friendly advice, much appreciated coming from a "respected" board member such as you, and I only mean that as a lighthearted joke because obviously you are that.

Last time I went into silent mode I tried to post and let everyone know I was okay but admin blocked it for some reason, so I am not trying to be mysterious. I think they probably though I was being too self-absorbed was the only reason I could come up with for it not being posted. Or I was high and I thought I posted but didn't jajaja. Reality is for people who can't handle their drugs.

As far as my cellular, she ripped off my ancient Samsung A-05 with everything backed up the Cloud. I am not glad it happened, but the learning process has been incredible and I will modify some behaviors as a result. I opened a couple of social media accounts including Facebook to make it easier to get in touch with family and friends when without a cellular. The way my girls circled around me and helped out was truly touching. I may be ignorant but I am definitely not stupid.

Ostee Out, and you know what comes next, Keep On Keepin' On!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2706396]Yes, that is the bar. The chicken down farther right before Bar Monaco.[/QUOTE]Thanks, I have met Dread.

[QUOTE=SlapShot10;2706483]If anyone ever loses their cell phone or gets robbed, I've got two brand new iphones still in the box (13 Pro Max 256 GB / 13 Pro 128 GB). I know the process when that happens, and the cost of phones in Medellin. So, I might still have them if you find yourself in a tight spot and need more than a burner. Well, that or if you fall in love with a prepago and want to see just what she might be willing to do if you give her a new iphone as a gift.[/QUOTE]I got used iPhone XS Max 256 gb for sale in case someone needs it.

Red Days, Dias Rojos, on their period, en su periodo, menstruacion, jajaja, well it seems like my girls are all synched up, and perception is reality. Anyone else out there can confirm or deny today is day number one or two of your chica's red days in Medellin, jajajajajjaaaajaja or as usual is it just me?

What to do about it is of course is a whole nuther topic, jaja.

Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706366]Plus, my little head was taking over my big head because I went to Ground Zero with the "desire" and "plan" to have a new girl give me a nice, hard, deep face-fuck, which didn't happen. Words in quotes because those who follow me know that I see a pattern in my life when those words are involved, things don't often turn out for the better.[/QUOTE]The bright side is at any price you didn't face fuck a tranny, so I guess that's the silver lining at any cost (depending on your taste or sentiment on that subject). Thanks for the sharing the story. It can serve as a cautionary tale. I'll take extra precautions now, like checking the gender on their cedula as mention earlier, especially at Vera cruz.

[QUOTE=JonnyPokerStar;2706475]El Opera behind Nutibara is much cheaper, they sell used refurbished phones. In Poblado you will be paying full price for a new phone. Depends what you're after.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that's what I figured. I think I'll just bring an unlocked phone for next time and pick a sim card here. I guess its time to join the tech revolution in the mongering scene. I don't want to be left behind and stuck in Vera Cruz checking for adams apples and screening gnero's on Cedula's Lol

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706534] don't want to be left behind and stuck in Vera Cruz checking for adams apples and screening gnero's on Cedula's Lol[/QUOTE]Jajajaja 🤣.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706530]The bright side is at any price you didn't face fuck a tranny, so I guess that's the silver lining at any cost (depending on your taste or sentiment on that subject). Thanks for the sharing the story. It can serve as a cautionary tale. I'll take extra precautions now, like checking the gender on their cedula as mention earlier, especially at Vera cruz.[/QUOTE]Face fucking her and leaving with my cell would have been a better out, but I wasn't smart or fast enough to think of it. I created my own monster by insisting to see her chocha.

I was talking to this chick and she was first on my hit list when I came down. She got her period on day 1 but she went to the store and bought some sort of pill that stopped her period so we could fuck. But it didn't matter much because I liked her ass so I took that most of the time.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706516]Red Days, Dias Rojos, on their period, en su periodo, menstruacion, jajaja, well it seems like my girls are all synched up, and perception is reality. Anyone else out there can confirm or deny today is day number one or two of your chica's red days in Medellin, jajajajajjaaaajaja or as usual is it just me?

What to do about it is of course is a whole nuther topic, jaja.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]No, on this very same page. I counted 2. 5 members hook up with non-prostitutes. Or are members who turn non-prostitutes into prostitutes. It is even mentioned in a post on this very same page. Having said that, I don't know what is your definition of free, and what is your point?

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2706700]I was talking to this chick and she was first on my hit list when I came down. She got her period on day 1 but she went to the store and bought some sort of pill that stopped her period so we could fuck. But it didn't matter much because I liked her ass so I took that most of the time.[/QUOTE]Yes, progesterone 2.5 MG tabs usually, the dose can vary. I have also had the chicas ask me for money to get the progesterone shots or injections to stop their menstrual cycles. I don't like to do this for girls I see repeatedly because it screws up the timing of their cycle which should normally be every 28 days, give or take. After a couple of shots their cycles can become unpredictable.

Amazing what they will sell OTC (Over the Counter) in pharmacies here.

I encourage cross checking these facts because I am writing this extemporaneously, and we all know I am not good for much "hard" info, jajaja. I am not now or ever giving medical advice over the open Internet. These are just general examples.

Also, most people don't know that OTC NSAIDs, for example Aleve, sold as naproxeno here, will cut menstrual flow usually in half, especially when started on the#28 or the first day before the girl is expecting her cycle to start. In the real world, these chicas are way too flakey to take that kind of control over their own bodies, but I have done it for them before, marked it on my calendar.

Ostee Out.

P.S. My wingman had to cancel a date today because she was on the#2 of her cycle, so yeah, all the girls here seem to be on their red days at the moment, jajajajaa.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]Actually everyone is trying to find a good church where they can come together in worship, peace and fellowship. However, since church only takes up few hours per week, everyone finds different ways to spend their time. You're encouraged to spend your time in the way which best suits your goals.

You seem confused about a few core principles, which will limit your ability to accomplish your desires. Perhaps I can be of assistance.

Paying for sex is a requirement, one way or another. How you choose to pay is a matter of personal choice. What do you have to offer a girl in exchange for sex?

Most of us who visit or live in Medellin have money, at least enough that it's more cost effective to pay for sex with cash, instead of using something we have less of; time. If a guy is visiting Medellin for 5 days, and finding a non-prostitute, who might be interested in having sex with him takes 4 days, with dates and winning her over, not only will he spend more money, he'll have to wait until his next visit to have sex, assuming she doesn't find someone else first.

How long it takes to find a non-prostitute varies from person to person. I can do it in a few minutes, but there's still the time and money investment to seal the deal. It could take minutes or months, or never happen.

Of course, along with the time factor there are other drawbacks, mainly expectations. You're expected to pay. When you go out, you're expected to pay. If she cooks for you, you're expected to buy groceries. If her cat needs emergency surgery, you're expected to pay. In almost every situation you'll end up paying more and getting less than just paying a prostitute.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]Really? What exactly did you do a search on to find this website "good girls, girlfriends, dating, marriage"? Not sure how you would feel about paying for it? You should be posting in the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]We all pay, directly or indirectly, physically or emotionally, over time or ephemerally, tangibly or unnoticed, mostly physically, with money or gifts.

The wonderful thing about Colombia is all the adult females, yes I said all, are on a Pay for Play continuum. I am using absolutes for emphasis and because it fits. If I like a regular, meaning not an obvious P 4 P chica, after sex I will offer her a "regalo desde mi Corazon" (my Spanish sucks) or "gift from the heart" and she will appreciate it.

Pay what you feel like giving, the ballpark is going to be around 100-300 mil COP. With a non-pro, don't act or sound like you are paying her for sex or she may become offended.

If you really want to score brownie points and you have the time, take her shopping and buy her something to wear. Decent quality clothing is incredibly cheap here. She will not have to feel like she is doing P 4 P and will beat a path to your bedroom after that.

If someone tries to tell you they don't pay, they are either trying to impress you or lack self-awareness. I had an unreal string of consecutive freebies my last visit here, 7 or 8, never happened before or since. In the end, I paid, big time.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]I'm thinking this is a troll, LOL. Just in case I'm wrong here are some words of wisdom I heard a long time ago:

Every man pays for sex. If you think you don't, that just means you are on the indirect payment plan.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706736]Also, most people don't know that OTC NSAIDs, for example Aleve, sold as naproxeno here, will cut menstrual flow usually in half, especially when started on the#28 or the first day before the girl is expecting her cycle to start. In the real world, these chicas are way too flakey to take that kind of control over their own bodies, but I have done it for them before, marked it on my calendar.
[/QUOTE]This is what I get for trying to be helpful and writing too quickly between errands. I unintentionally promulgated misinformation.

Good old-fashioned aspirin was the prototype NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) medicine that started it all. But aspirin increases bleeding by it's platelet inhibition effect. Potently. Most people do not realize how powerful aspirin is for thinning blood. Bleeding time test is still effected 14 days after the last dose of even one baby aspirin. That is why people who have had heart attacks ("clogged" coronary arteries) take an aspirin a day for the rest of their lives, when they survive.

In my example, Aleve and most of the other NSAID's work by a different mechanism that is too technical to go into here but does not involve platelet inhibition, and that is why they can slow menstrual flow.

In summary, most of the NSAIDs, with the exception of aspirin, can reduce menstrual bleeding.

I would not follow 90% of the medical info on the Internet, including mine. I never claimed to be a doctor as one of the bottom dwellers here once tried to bait me by saying. However, I played one on TV and we stayed in a Holiday Inn while we were shooting. Ajjajajjajajaajajajjajajjaaaaaa.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2706737]Actually everyone is trying to find a good church where they can come together in worship, peace and fellowship. However, since church only takes up few hours per week, everyone finds different ways to spend their time. You're encouraged to spend your time in the way which best suits your goals.

You seem confused about a few core principles, which will limit your ability to accomplish your desires. Perhaps I can be of assistance.

Paying for sex is a requirement, one way or another. How you choose to pay is a matter of personal choice.
[/QUOTE]I think the butt of your well-meaning joke may be too obtuse too appreciate your SOH (sense of humor), but I dug it. My first thought when I read his post was, "Look, some guy pulled into the drive-up at McDonalds and tried to order a Porterhouse steak, medium-rare. " Jajajajjaja.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706780]We all pay, directly or indirectly, physically or emotionally, over time or ephemerally, tangibly or unnoticed, mostly physically, with money or gifts.

If someone tries to tell you they don't pay, they are either trying to impress you or lack self-awareness. I had an unreal string of consecutive freebies my last visit here, 7 or 8, never happened before or since. In the end, I paid, big time.

Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]Agree with everything, including the last point. Many girls will not ask for payment, but expect something. I've known more than a few guys that had a girl for the weekend and said 'she never asked about money, so I'm not paying her anything' and then jet off to the airport. I see the girls afterwards and they're obviously upset. The next time they're the ones asking for sex upfront because of the cheap ass!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2706863]Agree with everything, including the last point. Many girls will not ask for payment, but expect something. I've known more than a few guys that had a girl for the weekend and said 'she never asked about money, so I'm not paying her anything' and then jet off to the airport. I see the girls afterwards and they're obviously upset. The next time they're the ones asking for sex upfront because of the cheap ass![/QUOTE]Nice follow through. How's your backhand? Jeje.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2706738]Really? What exactly did you do a search on to find this website "good girls, girlfriends, dating, marriage"? Not sure how you would feel about paying for it? You should be posting in the Stupid Shit in Medellin thread.[/QUOTE]I am surprised how naive some people are. Assuming one speaks decent Spanish and is close to the girl's age, there is still the question that the girl asks: what's in it for me? And given that most of us don't live here, what is the outlook for a long term relationship.

I believe this culture does not support one night stand in general, the encounters between boys and girls are therefore predicated on a long term relationship, with the final outcome being marriage. Therefore for some of us, the P4 P route is the safest and easiest.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2706856]If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it.[/QUOTE]I like it. Will steal it. Or should I say, "rent it". Jeje.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2706856]If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it.[/QUOTE]I need this on a shirt!

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2705748]It's such a wide spread on seeking, and all depends on your negotiations. If you truly liked the experience and looking to repeat, just give her something in the 500 mil to 700 mil range, and tell her it is to help with her gastos(expenses). You already said you brought her gifts and paid for expenses like meals etc. 300mil a day is what I use, with weekly discounts if going that long. I know a dude that paid 2million for 2weeks. I also know a dude that paid 2Milliones for a session. Not too long ago, a dude here posted that he got a steal of a deal for 1.5milliones for a session. Jajaja. That's SA and mongers for you.[/QUOTE]I agree w / 300 k day. I had a favorita from Seeking join me in Santa Marta for the weekend and paid her 600 k (agreed beforehand). She took the bus from Barranquilla out and I paid for our return (I was going to airport) and obviously everything at the resort and a nice dinner. For what it's worth, I normally pay her 250-300 k for a session.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706812] But aspirin increases bleeding by it's platelet inhibition effect. Potently. Most people do not realize how powerful aspirin is for thinning blood. Bleeding time test is still effected 14 days after the last dose of even one baby aspirin. That is why people who have had heart attacks ("clogged" coronary arteries) take an aspirin a day for the rest of their lives, when they survive.[/QUOTE]That's why I left my baby aspirin home and took the vitamins instead. The last thing I need is thin blood with a bad encounter in El Centro. One baby aspirin a day is really not recommended any more at a certain age unless of course you fit into such catergoties as past heart attacks or high-risk. I'll probably discontinue mine.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2706951]That's why I left my baby aspirin home and took the vitamins instead. The last thing I need is thin blood with a bad encounter in El Centro. One baby aspirin a day is really not recommended any more at a certain age unless of course you fit into such catergoties as past heart attacks or high-risk. I'll probably discontinue mine.[/QUOTE]The aspirin pendulum is definitely swinging toward using less.

I circled back around to the chica who hurt her knee at Scarlet's apartment a few weeks ago. We caught up with each other a bit then I asked her how many guys she had been with since I saw her. She told me eighteen. She was Pay 4 Play with three different older gringos like me. The other 15 were amigos or friends who she fucked for fun. I asked her if they ate pussy and she said yes.

Then the second girl (three-way) was giving me an incredible blowjob while I was standing to the point where I had to say something. I asked her how does an 18 year-old get so good at blowjobs? She replied, "mucho experience". Hmmmm, really? How old were you when you gave your first blowjob? Without hesitation, "Five". I repeated, "You were five-years old when you gave your first blow-job? Was it abuse? Who did it to you"? She said, "I had a five-year old boyfriend and I did it with him. " I asked, "Did you like it? She said, "Of course, that's why I did it, I loved it". She has been giving steady blowjobs since she was five years old, by her choosing.

Which is why you will sometimes see me write, "We are not in Kansas anymore, Toto".

Looks like we won't have to worry about getting a COVID test to return to the USA About time.

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This is really great news. Unless you own testing labs. Everybody's airfare just decreased by US $40 or so:

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[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2707093]Looks like we won't have to worry about getting a COVID test to return to the USA About time.

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[QUOTE=Chicago85;2706905]I agree w / 300 k day. I had a favorita from Seeking join me in Santa Marta for the weekend and paid her 600 k (agreed beforehand). She took the bus from Barranquilla out and I paid for our return (I was going to airport) and obviously everything at the resort and a nice dinner. For what it's worth, I normally pay her 250-300 k for a session.[/QUOTE]What resort? I need to go see a girl in Santa Marta.

Remember my recent post about yelling in the Nuti hallway the other night and the stolen laptop? Jjajjajajaja. That's George. I was thinking to myself, sounds like George, but nah, couldn't be.

Everything I am, and everything I ever will be in Medellin can be traced back to two people. Catgirl my novia who brought me here. Then George who befriended me shortly after the first time I arrived in Medellin in 2019. I thought Catgirl had dumped me, but she didn't (cultural misunderstanding).

He is more than a match for any subject matter expert here. When I first met George, he told me this was umpteenth trip to MDE, and that his wife told him if he touched the doorknob to return here one more time she would divorce him. He told her, "draw up the papers" and walked out the door. She divorced him, amicable settlement except for custody of the standard schnauzer dog.

Super-bright guy, with an unbelievable past history about which a screenplay could easily be written.

Most of us have significant people in our lives who we use use overtly or subconsciously use as a personal barometer. Often a family member, for guys, could be their dad, and it can be different people for different situations. Someone you gauge yourself against, what would they do in certain situations, etc. ?

For those of you who care, and who think I am out there Living on the Edge and taking risks, meet George. He is me on steroids. He is me, amplified to the extreme in every direction. He is one of the main reasons I may not appeared overly concerned about the ramifications of my actions in MDE, because whenever I am in the middle of one of my klusterfuks, all I have to do is thing of George.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2707093]Looks like we won't have to worry about getting a COVID test to return to the USA About time.

[URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hell yeah about time.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2707093]Looks like we won't have to worry about getting a COVID test to return to the USA About time.

[URL]https://www.clickorlando.com/[/URL][/QUOTE]You mean I just paid 70 k for an antigen test an hour ago for nothing!

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/covid-19-test-air-travel-international/2022/06/10/id/1073849/[/URL]

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2707135]You mean I just paid 70 k for an antigen test an hour ago for nothing![/QUOTE]New policy starts on Sunday. You still need the test for your Saturday flight.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707120]Remember my recent post about yelling in the Nuti hallway the other night and the stolen laptop? Jjajjajajaja.[/QUOTE]Which floor did this incident take place on?

Previous post got cut-off.

My chicas all say I am crazy, they say George is "too crazy. " he is the prototypical shit magnet for any trouble that will go down. The good news is he can deflect the trouble away from me. The bad news is if you are too close you can suffer collateral damage. Me.

In fact, things got so out-of-control with George that I refused to go out in public with him anymore. He's had the same Colombian novia for four years and their relationship is volatile. I am happy to see him again, been a while. Last time I saw him was in the middle of a drug deal gone bad over a year ago, and everyone was running out of the house, scattered in four directions.

I am happy to see he is alive and well, but a little scared. I look like a choir boy compared to this guy. He would give you the shirt off his back and can be trusted, until he gets too much tussi in him, then watch out.

The Nuti may have undergo nuclear implosion with Crazy George and Asti in the house. My girls who know him will not come to my room if he is here. I love him like a brother but it often boils down to a matter of self preservation. I am not ready to lift my ban on being in public with him just yet. Fuck me and help us all.

As always, stories about recreational drugs are purely fictional and are for entertainment purposes only. I am simply doing research for a fictional book I am writing about Medellin. I do not condone the use of illicit drugs and would never buy, sell, transport or use any illegal substances in any countries of the world.

I met another new mongerer here in the Nuti who somewhat refreshingly knows nothing about ISG and has been coming to MDE for almost two decades. He stunned me with his background and knowledge and I am not easily impressed.

[QUOTE=MarquisdeSade1;2707138][URL]https://www.newsmax.com/health/health-news/covid-19-test-air-travel-international/2022/06/10/id/1073849/[/URL][/QUOTE]Why do you care? Are you making some more imaginary trips abroad?

Just to be clear.

The change takes effect at 12:01 am ET on Sunday. So this essentially means that you still need it today and tomorrow.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/10/biden-administration-to-drop-covid-testing-requirements-for-international-air-travel.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]Non-pros are actually quite easy to get and bang; you just have to be forthright, get straight to the point and move on if not fruitful. However, after you get into the panties if you have not paid in cash you would have to pay in dealing with the baggage. For me that's more expensive than paying a pro.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707120]

For those of you who care, and who think I am out there Living on the Edge and taking risks, meet George. He is me on steroids. He is me, amplified to the extreme in every direction. He is one of the main reasons I may not appeared overly concerned about the ramifications of my actions in MDE, because whenever I am in the middle of one of my klusterfuks, all I have to do is thing of George.[/QUOTE]How do I meet up with you guys?

I will be staying at the Nutibara for the next 2 weeks.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2707097]This is really great news. Unless you own testing labs. Everybody's airfare just decreased by US $40 or so:

[URL]https://finance.yahoo.com/news/1-u-drop-covid-testing-135925025.html[/URL][/QUOTE]More importantly the risk of being stuck abroad for 10-14 days with an asymptomatic positive just went out the window. This should have happened months ago.

[QUOTE=WebConnect;2707241]How do I meet up with you guys?

I will be staying at the Nutibara for the next 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]George left for Guatape. I am not shy but I usually don't meet up with random guys from here. I am easy to spot because I do not make an earnest effort to hide my identity in the fotos I post. Or as MoonPie put it, "it's the hair".

With that said, everytime so far I have hooked-up with someone from here, they turned out to be stand-up guys. Use this sight's Private Messaging for organizing such activities and I believe you have to be a paid member in order to do that. Ostee Out.

Be careful what you ask for. Also, IDK WTF is going on compared to some of the longer term, subject matter experts with boots on the ground here for many years. I've got a little more than one year contact time here and have not been to 90% of the venues dicussed in these threads.

Basically, I suck and am a huge disappointment in person, jajajajajajaa.

[QUOTE=WebConnect;2707241]How do I meet up with you guys?

I will be staying at the Nutibara for the next 2 weeks.[/QUOTE]How's the street scene looking? I'm waiting on my passport to get renewed right now.

And some say USA Men are not self-aware! Hahahahah.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707285]

Basically, I suck and am a huge disappointment in person, jajajajajajaa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2707293]How's the street scene looking? I'm waiting on my passport to get renewed right now.[/QUOTE]In the afternoon, Vera cruz in el centro was packed with pro's the usual scene. Last night Parque lleras in Poblado was also packed, of course your going to pay the gringo mark up. 200 k media hora 300 k or even 400 k an hora or what ever price they think they will get away with and their basically vera cruz working girls anyways. Save some money catch them in el cetro the following day. The casa scene is kinda lacking of course its pretty much always been hit or miss with them anyways, but now its less casas and less chance of finding a diamond in the rough with the exception of club de amigas sexy on carrera 45 d#57-67, which I would have done all my casa action in if I would have know ahead. They definetly had a large variety of all types. All other scenes such as FB and SA someone else will have to answer that.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2707232]Non-pros are actually quite easy to get and bang; you just have to be forthright, get straight to the point and move on if not fruitful. However, after you get into the panties if you have not paid in cash you would have to pay in dealing with the baggage. For me that's more expensive than paying a pro.[/QUOTE]I would include a plug for honesty to the non-pros because they get lied to a lot. We all do. I don't mean brutally honest as in, "I want you to be me Colombians sex-slave for three days" although that could be fun, but like Turded said, be plain and clear and respectful and you will be surprised how fast that greases the wheels on track.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2707293]How's the street scene looking? I'm waiting on my passport to get renewed right now.[/QUOTE]The street scene is the same. Best time is late afternoon when the local guys finish work at stop in the area for a beer and to dump a load before going home after a hard days work.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2706872]I am surprised how naive some people are. Assuming one speaks decent Spanish and is close to the girl's age, there is still the question that the girl asks: what's in it for me? And given that most of us don't live here, what is the outlook for a long term relationship.

I believe this culture does not support one night stand in general, the encounters between boys and girls are therefore predicated on a long term relationship, with the final outcome being marriage. Therefore for some of us, the P4P route is the safest and easiest.[/QUOTE]You can have a lot of causual sex, 1 NS as you wish in Colombia; my Colombian female friend. I mean, if I wanted to. One also stated " Peter, in Colombia it very difficult to be faithful (Peter, en Colombia es muy dificil estar fiel).

They expect you to want to have sex-if not; there is something wrong with you. Colombian and Brazilian girls even more; they are simple very horny; they lack the anxiety of physical touch which is so typical for Northern cultures; US, GB, Germany, Nordic countries, Netherlands, Japan etc.

You can get laid as you wish, not maybe by the most beautiful babes you wish, but descent looking girls or with MILFs or neighbors, the problem is that we seldom use this opportunity for free sex. After have logged in at the hotel or apartment; we hit the casas, Parque Lleras; we don't act rationale. I could have gotten a lot more sex, one problem was; much of it is for free, but it's not exciting, it's seldom an adventure; P4P is forbidden, especially at home; so we waste $$$ on services we could have gotten for free.

I have had female friends that as soon as we where alone wanted to have sex, and it is just not one time.

I notice this at home; latina girls are much more open than the nordic girls, who suffer from constant anxiety when it comes to pleasure; if they have sex, they must argue if it was right or wrong from different moral points of views, its exhausting. Colombian girls just want to enjoy life; they have little time so when they have the opportunity to have a good time; they just have fun. And they spread that to their children, so even if living in a nordic climate and culture; they are still much more emotionally positive.

At the same time; they have no anxiety of touch; but they are very hygienical; I have female friends that came to my apartment on their way to / from Laureles, just to take a shower, they like to take a shower 2-3-4 times a day.

But yes, there are also a lot of conservative persons, they would never have sex easily or sell sex.

And even if one get easy sex; they can feel you are a couple; just after practically saying so; they lack a filter, we have a strong a "intermediate filter"; people become "knowned", not unknowned nor friends and stay so; they just skip that part, sometimes!

Anyway, thanks for your reports; it's great with cultural differences; we have things in our culture, strict work on rational grounds, highly organised, high productivity; high salaries, things that are hard to achieve even if you try hard, for many it is still so in Colombia, so our countries sometimes seems like paradise for young ambitious females struggluling to get along.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]No, we're not only going after pros, but if you're limited in time it's the easiest thing. Many of us also date regular girls, but sex day one not assured and for me the 2-3 date rule still usually applies for the majority. Plus if you date the regular girls the overall cost is higher (want gifts, wined, dined, get jealous quickly, etc.). If your trip is only 4-7 days you're going to waste a lot of time and money with non-pros. Plus the non-pros often lose interest pretty quickly if you're only going to be there for a week. If you LIVE in Medellin that's a completely different story.

The second thing is that Colombians go out in groups, so if you go to the dance clubs, which I used to when I first started coming 10-11 years ago it's still harder than the US to get close to many of the girls (guys and girls cock block you). You may find a girl at the bank, gym, or coffee shop, but it will still take some time to set up a couple dates and get some action.

I've found Brazil to be much easier for just random one night stand sex if that's what your into.

Just my 2 cents.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2707433]You can have a lot of causual sex, 1 NS as you wish in Colombia; my Colombian female friend. I mean, if I wanted to. One also stated " Peter, in Colombia it very difficult to be faithful (Peter, en Colombia es muy dificil estar fiel)...[/QUOTE]I think it depends on social classes and both of you could be right with the right context.

My personal experience is the hygiene of the girls I have been dealing with is not that good in general if compared to Thai girls. These are just some of my experiences so don't generalize it. I had met girls that don't shower after sex. I have also met girl who claim to live in a nice neighborhood, and shower several times a day, or had shower before coming to my place. But I found out none of those were true when we met. It was just advertising. I asked an experienced buddy and he said he always forced the girl to shower in his apartment.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2707337]...and their basically vera cruz working girls anyways. Save some money catch them in el cetro the following day..[/QUOTE]Maybe they are similar quality, but only some work in El Centro. My personal experience is that the hotter ones or one not even that hot won't come down in price when contacted afterward. In fact, some may not even respond to a 200 mil offer during daytime. One has to take this case by case.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2706198]This new girl standing next to the tranny. I had not seen before. Bigger than me but I found her attractive. I was horny because of missing out on the face fuck I had "planned". I asked her three times if she was trans and she said no. I tried to cop a feel under her skirt but there were two Policia less than ten yards away facing us. The three of us went to the Love Motel and did some tussi and then my tranny friend left. The drug haters will point to the tussi as an "I told you so" example,[/QUOTE]I will not point to the tussi. I will point to everyone before saying that those trannies are not your friends as you are even still calling them after this episode of letting you go with someone they knew was not a female.

Rule of thumb is that they travel in packs. You are not going to see 9 trannies hanging around and 1 female. The one that you think is a female is going to be a dude too. Now sometimes you will see a group of females and 1 tranny friend. But it does not work the other way around.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2706523]Hey all,

New here. I read through some of the pages, but obviously not all of them.

Is everyone here mostly trying to hook up with prostitutes? That's what it reads like. I'm wondering why not try to hook up with non-prostitutes (I. E. , not pay)? Never paid for sex before, so not sure how I'd feel about trying that.[/QUOTE]You absolutely can hook up with non-hookers in Colombia. If you can do it in the USA, you can likely to it in Colombia. I did it when I first started this hobby a quarter-century ago (in Colombia, Brasil, et al). Unfortunately, I'm not a young stud anymore, so it's not happening unless I want to service 50 year old chicas.

The thing is, you can't necessary rely on hooking up with non-pros. So you likely will want to have pay-for-play chicas as a backup. This makes sense if you're in town just a week or two and you want to fuck at least once every day. Now, if you're in town for an extended period of time, going after non-pros makes more sense. Though I would still do some prepagos as backups.

And obviously, language ability will make a huge difference. A prostitute doesn't care if you speak Spanish (she might not even want to talk with you! A non-pro, it's makes a big difference. Even then though, if you look like a young George Clooney, you could still get laid w / o Spanish.

[QUOTE=AmoMedellin;2707433]You can have a lot of causual sex, 1 NS as you wish in Colombia; my Colombian female friend. I mean, if I wanted to. One also stated " Peter, in Colombia it very difficult to be faithful (Peter, en Colombia es muy dificil estar fiel).

They expect you to want to have sex-if not; there is something wrong with you. Colombian and Brazilian girls even more; they are simple very horny; they lack the anxiety of physical touch which is so typical for Northern cultures; US, GB, Germany, Nordic countries, Netherlands, Japan etc.

You can get laid as you wish, not maybe by the most beautiful babes you wish, but descent looking girls or with MILFs or neighbors, the problem is that we seldom use this opportunity for free sex. After have logged in at the hotel or apartment; we hit the casas, Parque Lleras; we don't act rationale. I could have gotten a lot more sex, one problem was; much of it is for free, but it's not exciting, it's seldom an adventure; P4P is forbidden, especially at home; so we waste $$$ on services we could have gotten for free.

I have had female friends that as soon as we where alone wanted to have sex, and it is just not one time.

I notice this at home; latina girls are much more open than the nordic girls, who suffer from constant anxiety when it comes to pleasure; if they have sex, they must argue if it was right or wrong from different moral points of views, its exhausting. Colombian girls just want to enjoy life; they have little time so when they have the opportunity to have a good time; they just have fun. And they spread that to their children, so even if living in a nordic climate and culture; they are still much more emotionally positive.

At the same time; they have no anxiety of touch; but they are very hygienical; I have female friends that came to my apartment on their way to / from Laureles, just to take a shower, they like to take a shower 2-3-4 times a day.

But yes, there are also a lot of conservative persons, they would never have sex easily or sell sex.

And even if one get easy sex; they can feel you are a couple; just after practically saying so; they lack a filter, we have a strong a "intermediate filter"; people become "knowned", not unknowned nor friends and stay so; they just skip that part, sometimes!

Anyway, thanks for your reports; it's great with cultural differences; we have things in our culture, strict work on rational grounds, highly organised, high productivity; high salaries, things that are hard to achieve even if you try hard, for many it is still so in Colombia, so our countries sometimes seems like paradise for young ambitious females struggluling to get along.[/QUOTE]I think the cultural differences affecting interpersonal relationships between North and South America are vastly understated. I would go as far to say that the majority of friction, misunderstandings, and less than ideal outcomes when participating in Play for Play, are due to cultural differences and misunderstandings, and not by any direct malfeasance from the participants.

And you point about their excellent hygiene was spot-on. My average girlfriend back in the states had a much higher pussy funk factor than these chicas.

Ostee Out!

[QUOTE=Combo;2707585]You absolutely can hook up with non-hookers in Colombia. [/QUOTE]UNless your looking for a long term partner, I am not sure what the advantages would be. I can think of several disadadvantages. Care to enlighten me?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2707600]UNless your looking for a long term partner, I am not sure what the advantages would be. I can think of several disadadvantages. Care to enlighten me?[/QUOTE]I used to frequent Latinamerican cupid and Colombian Cupid all the time. I am talking about starting back about fifteen years ago. The advantages to it then were that it is more fun to be with a girl that is not only there for the money. I have a firm belief that there are a lot of women who like the idea of having sex with a man they do not have to worry about seeing again and when they do they have no inhibitions. I have had a little experpience with non-pros with my exeriences on the cupids who I put in this category but not in Colombia.

I had the best luck with Latinamerican cupid in Mexico City. I had a date every night and some day ones also. I took one chica out and then ejust about everyday she came by on her lunch break from work and had a nooner with me. Out of the two weeks I scored with 5 chicas and had dates with 10. Gorgeous women. There is a treasure chest of women on those sights if you work it to find out what their angle is and what you can get away with. I spend a lot of time on there chatting with a lot of chicas months before making the trip to Mexico City. The variety of expectations of those women on those sights runs the gamut - from those who are marriage minded, to those who you can just have a good time with, to semi-pros to outright hardcore pros. Had an amazing time but I was younger and fit then. Much of my luck with Colombianas are was those who really turn out to be semi-pros (it always costs you something).

But having read this forum for years I have to say that of all the people who post regularly Mr Enternational mentions being with non-pros more than any other poster by far. I do not think that he has ever come out and said how he meets these chicas. I think sometimes at least he helps them out with some bills so maybe you can call some of them semi-pro. I notice that for this one of his favorite shopping areas seems to be Barranquilla.

What experience I have had with semi-pros was actually one chica that used to see in Cartagena on a regular basis and I take her shopping and spend like 100 k COP on her, then there was a chica from Barranquilla that I took to Cartagena for a weekend. She was gorgeous but turned into a headache halfway into the weekend and after that I never looked back. P4 P is just so much simpler.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2707600]UNless your looking for a long term partner, I am not sure what the advantages would be. I can think of several disadadvantages. Care to enlighten me?[/QUOTE]I agree, which is why ours is such a great hobby.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2707659]I used to frequent Latinamerican cupid and Colombian Cupid all the time. I am talking about starting back about fifteen years ago. The advantages to it then were that it is more fun to be with a girl that is not only there for the money. I have a firm belief that there are a lot of women who like the idea of having sex with a man they do not have to worry about seeing again and when they do they have no inhibitions. I have had a little experpience with non-pros with my exeriences on the cupids who I put in this category but not in Colombia.

I had the best luck with Latinamerican cupid in Mexico City. I had a date every night and some day ones also. I took one chica out and then ejust about everyday she came by on her lunch break from work and had a nooner with me. Out of the two weeks I scored with 5 chicas and had dates with 10. Gorgeous women. There is a treasure chest of women on those sights if you work it to find out what their angle is and what you can get away with. I spend a lot of time on there chatting with a lot of chicas months before making the trip to Mexico City. The variety of expectations of those women on those sights runs the gamut - from those who are marriage minded, to those who you can just have a good time with, to semi-pros to outright hardcore pros. Had an amazing time but I was younger and fit then. Much of my luck with Colombianas are was those who really turn out to be semi-pros (it always costs you something).

But having read this forum for years I have to say that of all the people who post regularly Mr Enternational mentions being with non-pros more than any other poster by far. I do not think that he has ever come out and said how he meets these chicas. I think sometimes at least he helps them out with some bills so maybe you can call some of them semi-pro. I notice that for this one of his favorite shopping areas seems to be Barranquilla.

What experience I have had with semi-pros was actually one chica that used to see in Cartagena on a regular basis and I take her shopping and spend like 100 k COP on her, then there was a chica from Barranquilla that I took to Cartagena for a weekend. She was gorgeous but turned into a headache halfway into the weekend and after that I never looked back. P4 P is just so much simpler.[/QUOTE]I think the original poster was talking about true non-pros, not semi-pros. Women that you don't spend a cent on. It seems that Cupid and those sites are generally more semi-pros. Women that you at least buy dinner and drinks for at a minimum.

Completely free can definitely be done in Colombia as it can be done in the USA. But if you want it to be with attractive young women, you'd better be very attractive and young yourself. As well as speak decent Spanish and be personable. And to increase your odds, get as far away from Poblado as possible.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2707659]I had the best luck with Latinamerican cupid in Mexico City.

But having read this forum for years I have to say that of all the people who post regularly Mr Enternational mentions being with non-pros more than any other poster by far. I do not think that he has ever come out and said how he meets these chicas. I think sometimes at least he helps them out with some bills so maybe you can call some of them semi-pro.[/QUOTE]Have you guys never dated normal women? No way no how am I trying to pay anyone's bills. I have entirely too many women to even think about doing such. Not to mention I have my own damn bills. If someone is looking for a bank instead of a boyfriend then ain't nothing to cut that be off. If someone mentions to me about money (which is rare) then I tell them:

1. "I need all of my money for my trip. " You are dealing with a low down broad if she would rather you send money than be able to take your trip to see her.

2. "Okay. I have the day off Saturday. I will go in and work extra so I will have money for you. " Yeah that sounds ridiculous to most people and where I am from that is called big pimpin; to have someone work on their day off to give money to you. I can't do it.

A famous man once said, "I keep them looking good, but no dough. " We can go to the salon together. I might buy you an outfit. We can travel and do nice things together. But giving money to a chick that is not a hooker is not going to happen with me.

I don't believe in that semi-pro stuff. You are either a normal chick or a chick that I have to give money to. And a chick that I have to give money to is called a hooker. I like variety anyway. No way I am going to keep giving money and getting the same chick. If I am giving money then it is going to be to get an assortment of short time chicks. Hookers.

Recently I got fed up with a nurse that I mess with in Barranquilla. She asked what I was going to get her for her birthday. I said nothing. She said I do not deserve anything? I said you are always talking about what you want from somebody, but never what you are going to give or do for somebody. Then she said she would buy me a sweatshirt. I am telling you these chicks will walk all over you if you let them. I have never been of the mind to let them.

If a chick talks about sex this sex that, I laugh and say you really think I need you for sex? There are 1800 women down in Santa Fe (or name whatever hooker spot in her city) that are ready to fuck for 30,000 pesos. Most are at first shocked that I know of such places, and others are even more shocked that hookers can be had so cheap. And I am even the kind of guy to take them down there to show them that sex is the last thing I would need from them.

Like you said the overwhelming majority of chicks I have been meeting on Latinamericancupid since 2005 and I just re-upped the other day for another year.

But if I ever see a chick that I like while out and about then I go up and talk to her too. Pretty easy to meet the chicks that work in immigration in different countries. And contrary to popular belief, Spanish is not needed. Before I could speak a lick of Spanish I was going to stay at chicks' houses in Peru, Colombia, Dominican Republic. I did already speak Portuguese though.

Although I have done it times at the start of all this, I do not think it is probable 17 years later that you will waltz into a country for the first time and have the same results. Online dating is not new anymore, so I think there is less pure curiosity than in years past. When I talk to chicks they see that I know more about their countries than they do. I think that helps a lot. I got into it with one chick that told me she lives in the south of Bogota in Suba. I said but Suba is in the north. She is going to get mad at me saying I do not know what I am talking about. Okay. But keep hope alive. I still do meet plenty of chicks that have never met anyone online before.

In terms of apps, is tinder the go to app over sites like Colombia cupid?

I've been told but can't verify if the telefericos that go from santo domingo to parque arvi have cameras inside? If they do full on porn video of me is out there. Does anyone know if they have cameras Inside. I couldn't see any.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2707751]I've been told but can't verify if the telefericos that go from santo domingo to parque arvi have cameras inside? If they do full on porn video of me is out there. Does anyone know if they have cameras Inside. I couldn't see any.[/QUOTE]No. There are no cameras in the metrocable cars.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2707751]I've been told but can't verify if the telefericos that go from santo domingo to parque arvi have cameras inside? If they do full on porn video of me is out there. Does anyone know if they have cameras Inside. I couldn't see any.[/QUOTE]Now that you mentioned it, I think masturbation does count as porn, jajaja, I am sure you enjoyed yourself.

Sounds like the true mongering spirit to me.

Still, useless post without fotos, jeje.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2707738]In terms of apps, is tinder the go to app over sites like Colombia cupid?[/QUOTE]Tinder ok, but a higher incidence of issues with girls and flakes. Numerous incidents over the past year of guys getting drugged and 90%+ were from Tinder. Many guys use Facebook as you can see more photos and verify they are who they say they are. Less likely that a girl will build out an entire fake profile on Facebook to rob you than Tinder.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707766]Now that you mentioned it, I think masturbation does count as porn, jajaja, I am sure you enjoyed yourself.

Sounds like the true mongering spirit to me.

Still, useless post without fotos, jeje.[/QUOTE]I've taken girls to Parque Arvi, late mornings during the week are good, few customers. The leg from Santo Domingo to the park is long enough for some fun. No full sex, but I've gotten head and fingered a girl off. There is a risk that someone in another gondola will see you, and possibly report it.

There was a gringo years ago who made a video of himself smoking pot on the metrocable and I believe he was deported over it. However, I think there were others in with him who complained, causing his arrest. From memory, the biggest complaint was that he was not showing proper respect for the laws of Colombia.

Which reminds me of another gringo. He was making videos on picking up women in Medellin. His method was that you had to treat them badly, insult them, grope them in public, just random women. He had other guys with him doing that in El Centro and other places. He got deported and I believe a lifetime ban.

[QUOTE=Combo;2707585]You absolutely can hook up with non-hookers in Colombia. If you can do it in the USA, you can likely to it in Colombia. I did it when I first started this hobby a quarter-century ago (in Colombia, Brasil, et al). Unfortunately, I'm not a young stud anymore, so it's not happening unless I want to service 50 year old chicas.....[/QUOTE]Unless you are really old and decrepit which I'm sure you're not you should be able to get 30+ year old non-hookers in Colombia and Brazil. In the US though the pickings may be a little more tough and you may indeed have to service 50 year olds.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2707751]I've been told but can't verify if the telefericos that go from santo domingo to parque arvi have cameras inside? If they do full on porn video of me is out there. Does anyone know if they have cameras Inside. I couldn't see any.[/QUOTE]Yes, they do. Back during covid a friend and I were approached by security saying that even in the cable car we have to wear our masks. We had them off for 90% of the journey and put them on near the end when we would get off at the station. I said look we have our masks on, what's the deal? The gentleman said he saw through the cameras that we did not before.

He is 80, she is 19 years old. He pays her rent, that's it.

He was a miserable wretch living on a fixed income in the USA that was not meeting his needs. A friend of his from here, a really great friend, bought him a ticket to Medellin. The rest as the saying goes, is history.

Whether or not she has other novios is more than debatable, if one were rude enough to discuss that topic in front of him.

He is happy. Very happy. I personally felt it was a wonderful situation. Consenting adults, no one getting hurt. Who cares what other people think?

I told him about the age spread between Catgirl and then said, "In the USA I am a dirty old man. Here, I get a high-five."

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2707895]I've taken girls to Parque Arvi, late mornings during the week are good, few customers. The leg from Santo Domingo to the park is long enough for some fun. No full sex, but I've gotten head and fingered a girl off. There is a risk that someone in another gondola will see you, and possibly report it.

There was a gringo years ago who made a video of himself smoking pot on the metrocable and I believe he was deported over it. However, I think there were others in with him who complained, causing his arrest. From memory, the biggest complaint was that he was not showing proper respect for the laws of Colombia.

Which reminds me of another gringo. He was making videos on picking up women in Medellin. His method was that you had to treat them badly, insult them, grope them in public, just random women. He had other guys with him doing that in El Centro and other places. He got deported and I believe a lifetime ban.[/QUOTE]I've seen a foreigner drunk and grabbing random chicks in el centro before. The cops came and that was the last I saw of him, always wonder what happened to him. Is deportation and lifetime ban the usual route things go? I would be scared shitless to end up in a colombian jail lol.

I am afraid the inescapable paradigm is the way you treat a chica is a direct reflection of the opinion you hold about yourself. Whether you realize it or not. This is where the truism comes from, "Before you can love someone else, you have to love yourself first. " If you don't, then the underlying premise will always be, "How can someone love me if I don't"?

I'm three steps ahead of you. You don't want to be loved, you say. You just want to get laid. Doesn't matter. Liked, loved, tolerated, you give and accept back according to what you see in the mirror. Doesn't have to be money. As I recently wrote, we all pay one way or another, in some form, whether we realize it or not. If all you want is a wet hole to fuck, then all your chica may need is a hard dick. Sometime chicas want to feel protected and nothing more. Whatever works for two consenting adults, as long as no one is being intentionally misled in the relationship.

There is basically pussy for any budget in Medellin and that is one of the main reasons guys come here. Sometimes a guy doesn't pay because he can't afford it or basically he's a cheapskate of there is a spanish word the girls use that translates into "tramp".

Guys who do pay, can certainly be suckered into it, or may not have many other options, but as a guy who is not shy to share the wealth, the point that usually escapes others is that I love doing it. That money is my entertainment budget and disposable income. Not getting a chica who I see regularly a birthday present, even a small token gift, goes beyond being rude, that is an insult.

That old guy is my hero!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707944]He is 80, she is 19 years old. He pays her rent, that's it.

He was a miserable wretch living on a fixed income in the USA that was not meeting his needs. A friend of his from here, a really great friend, bought him a ticket to Medellin. The rest as the saying goes, is history.

Whether or not she has other novios is more than debatable, if one were rude enough to discuss that topic in front of him.

He is happy. Very happy. I personally felt it was a wonderful situation. Consenting adults, no one getting hurt. Who cares what other people think?

I told him about the age spread between Catgirl and then said, "In the USA I am a dirty old man. Here, I get a high-five."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2707761]No. There are no cameras in the metrocable cars.[/QUOTE]Cameras are in so many places in Medellin but not in such an important location as inside the cable cars? Those cable cars are vastly important for transportation and needed for safety of passengers from other passengers and if there is a mechanical problem. I find that really impossible to believe just because you can not see that tiny camera.

I'm going to medellin in 2 weeks for 2 weeks. One of the places I want to go to is loutron. But Google Maps just shows a random road when I look up the location. Then I had the brilliant idea to look at satellite images from google. Turn's out there is actually a giant house in the middle of the jungle.

I'm also going to make a report of all is said and done. I'm going to la Isla. Fase II, gustos, centro, some casas. But I also have many cam girls lined up so we'll see how that goes. I haven't seen a lot of people talk about cam girls.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2707943]Yes, they do. Back during covid a friend and I were approached by security saying that even in the cable car we have to wear our masks. We had them off for 90% of the journey and put them on near the end when we would get off at the station. I said look we have our masks on, what's the deal? The gentleman said he saw through the cameras that we did not before.[/QUOTE]Well he was either lying to you, or you were seen on one of the cameras in the station. Unless they've invested in invisible cameras, there are no cameras in the individual cars.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2707574]No, we're not only going after pros, but if you're limited in time it's the easiest thing. Many of us also date regular girls, but sex day one not assured and for me the 2-3 date rule still usually applies for the majority. Plus if you date the regular girls the overall cost is higher (want gifts, wined, dined, get jealous quickly, etc.). If your trip is only 4-7 days you're going to waste a lot of time and money with non-pros. Plus the non-pros often lose interest pretty quickly if you're only going to be there for a week. If you LIVE in Medellin that's a completely different story.


I've found Brazil to be much easier for just random one night stand sex if that's what your into.

Just my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Can't comment on Brazil, as I've never been. However, what you say about non pros in Colombia and short trips is spot on. Having been one that experimented with it on a recent 8 day trip. I can assure you the nice 18 yr 4 mth old university pussy I got to partake once, was not worth the 450 mil or so in gifts, shopping, taxis and meals, 2. 5 days of pursuing, and angst and frustration etc. When my 2nd advance a few hrs later was rebuffed. I decided to end it and called her a taxi. So learn your own lesson if you must, but learn from me if you can. It's very doable but do you want to do it? A month or more and I might go that route.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2707943]Yes, they do. Back during covid a friend and I were approached by security saying that even in the cable car we have to wear our masks. We had them off for 90% of the journey and put them on near the end when we would get off at the station. I said look we have our masks on, what's the deal? The gentleman said he saw through the cameras that we did not before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2707761]No. There are no cameras in the metrocable cars.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2707895]I've taken girls to Parque Arvi, late mornings during the week are good, few customers. The leg from Santo Domingo to the park is long enough for some fun. No full sex, but I've gotten head and fingered a girl off. [/QUOTE]So we are going with hidden cameras? Is that the correct conclusion? Worth noting. That's some funny shit.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2707984]That old guy is my hero![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707944]He is 80, she is 19 years old. He pays her rent, that's it.

He was a miserable wretch living on a fixed income in the USA that was not meeting his needs. A friend of his from here, a really great friend, bought him a ticket to Medellin. The rest as the saying goes, is history.....[/QUOTE]Just playing devil's advocate, how does this different from what Elvis is doing?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707944]...Whether or not she has other novios is more than debatable, if one were rude enough to discuss that topic in front of him.

He is happy. Very happy. I personally felt it was a wonderful situation. Consenting adults, no one getting hurt. Who cares what other people think?....[/QUOTE]Most of us know this could go bad if the man is not prepared. He could be miserable and stalking the girl while she has a date.

Yes, Continental you are correct. In addition to your experience, there is the well known case of the uniformed law enforcement official who was caught on camera smoking weed in a cable car. The video was widely shared on social media and the national media outlets. It's beside the point but it later emerged that the party guy was in fact a probationary trainee rather than a full fledged officer. The point is there is video surveillance so you should not do anything you would not want to be put on blast.

[QUOTE=ContinentalF;2707943]Yes, they do. Back during covid a friend and I were approached by security saying that even in the cable car we have to wear our masks. We had them off for 90% of the journey and put them on near the end when we would get off at the station. I said look we have our masks on, what's the deal? The gentleman said he saw through the cameras that we did not before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2708033]Just playing devil's advocate, how does this different from what Elvis is doing?

Most of us know this could go bad if the man is not prepared. He could be miserable and stalking the girl while she has a date.[/QUOTE]First, I can't claim to know what Elvis is doing. Are you implying that the girl might have a jealous local boyfriend? Gringo or non-Gringo?

A much more likely scenario would be that she has a local boyfriend who benefits from her relationship with the old dude, than being at risk of danger from the boyfriend. Or that she has multiple novios and they others ones don't stalk her or worry about her other relationships. But of course anything is possible when it comes to irrational behavior secondary to interpersonal relationships. I would place danger from another boyfriend a distant last on the list.

Finally, I consider other girlfriends and girlfriends in general more dangerous to guys, then other boyfriends dangerous to guys. Them can be some crazy-ass beeatches. Catgirl used to tell me she would cut my dick off in the middle of the night if I got her mad enough. She hasn't said that in over year, now. Jajajajaa.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707944]He is 80, she is 19 years old. He pays her rent, that's it.

He was a miserable wretch living on a fixed income in the USA that was not meeting his needs. A friend of his from here, a really great friend, bought him a ticket to Medellin. The rest as the saying goes, is history.

[/QUOTE]His name wasn't 'Eric' was it? I've been trying to locate an old friend who fits that description!

[QUOTE=Turgid;2707910]Unless you are really old and decrepit which I'm sure you're not you should be able to get 30+ year old non-hookers in Colombia and Brazil. In the US though the pickings may be a little more tough and you may indeed have to service 50 year olds.[/QUOTE]First trip to Brasil many moons ago. Landed that morning and after a nap, me and my buddy were walking around getting to know the streets. I see a hot-looking young women and we start talking. I speak Spanish so it was doable, though not perfect. There's obvious mutual attraction. Literally within 20 minutes, we ditched my friend and we're in my hotel room boning. Afterwards, she gave me her number, but I never saw her again. Didn't spend one cent on her! Picked up another girl on the beach later that week for again nothing.

This was during Carnaval, so that likely helped. Speaking of, if you really want to get non-pros for nothing in Colombia, go to Cali for la Feria. It's sort of like Carnaval in that everyone is looking to party and have fun. I think even an older guy could get a young chica for nothing there during that week. Fuck, I have to get back to Cali for la Feria. Haven't been for 9 years now.

Having said that, it's so nice to be able to just pay and get what you want when you want and on your terms.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2707944]Whether or not she has other novios is more than debatable[/QUOTE]Not debatable. Guaranteed. You think some 80 year old foreigner meets her physical, emotional, and social needs? Wake up. My god they are at totally different points in their lives.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2707866]Tinder ok, but a higher incidence of issues with girls and flakes. Numerous incidents over the past year of guys getting drugged and 90%+ were from Tinder. Many guys use Facebook as you can see more photos and verify they are who they say they are. Less likely that a girl will build out an entire fake profile on Facebook to rob you than Tinder.[/QUOTE]Ah I see. So I don't use facebook anymore. I'm guessing I would probably look weird if I use a new facebook account to look for women?

What about IG? I use IG.

[QUOTE=Combo;2707585]You absolutely can hook up with non-hookers in Colombia. If you can do it in the USA, you can likely to it in Colombia. I did it when I first started this hobby a quarter-century ago (in Colombia, Brasil, et al). Unfortunately, I'm not a young stud anymore, so it's not happening unless I want to service 50 year old chicas.

The thing is, you can't necessary rely on hooking up with non-pros. So you likely will want to have pay-for-play chicas as a backup. This makes sense if you're in town just a week or two and you want to fuck at least once every day. Now, if you're in town for an extended period of time, going after non-pros makes more sense. Though I would still do some prepagos as backups.

And obviously, language ability will make a huge difference. A prostitute doesn't care if you speak Spanish (she might not even want to talk with you! A non-pro, it's makes a big difference. Even then though, if you look like a young George Clooney, you could still get laid w / o Spanish.[/QUOTE]People thought I was trolling, but I wasn't. I've never thought about paying for sex before (mostly because I'm cheap in regards to that LOL), so this is all new to me.

Idk what the general age is around here, but I'm in my late 20's. I'll only be in Medellin for about 2 weeks. I've been talking to some non-pros who seem interested (I'm expecting a lot of them to flake, so want to have back up options), but I would say they're in the 7-8 range. I don't think I'm talking to any 9's or 10's.

I can barely put together a sentence in Spanish.

Do you guys usually solo adventure in Medellin or go with others? This is my first time in Latin America, and I'm also traveling solo.

Not saying all girls are like this, but there are plenty of chicas out there with low self esteem who will hang with any dude who shows them such attention. Whether or not a guy pays directly with cash is not a black and white issue, especially in Colombia, where these chica are on continuum of Pay 4 Play. Some chicas will dig you enough to fuck you for free, at least at first. Using direct payment as a measure of whether or not a relationship is "valid" is full of loopholes. If you see a girl repeatedly and you never show her one sign of sharing or giving, I guarantee you will be replaced. Sometimes it takes a little time for the chica to see your cheap ass for what it really is, then the relationship ends.

Speaking of which, at my current rate of new wet holes over time, I will die with having been with way more regular "normal" girlfriends that prepago. But I like the pay-for-play option for convenience and the ease of variety. Paying for sex is an individual decision and we all settle for what we are willing to accept. Comparisons are futile. Trust me, there are plenty of girls out there who will never consider a guy who can't pay. The "pool" of girls available to a guy adjusts to the girls' payment threshold.

This becomes an automatic self-selecting process that guys rationalize in their head by categorizing the girls they can't have as ones they don't want.

My ex-wife, who I know loved me as much as anyone could, told me at the beginning of our relationship, "I ain't going to fall in love with no broke $**ger". That set the stage but certainly didn't make her a sex worker or lessen the value of our time together. We all pay.

I am not implying that it takes money to be in a happy relationship. Quality of time spent together is probably one of the best things a guy can show a chica, if he cares. I have chicas who would hang with me whether I gifted them or not, but I don't use that as the defining line of how I treat them.

I know when a chica buys me a pair of chanclas or some candy, that is like me buying her something worth ten times more. It's not about the monetary value, it's about giving and the spirit behind it.

We all rationalize our own behaviors to fit the model we hold of ourselves, whether accurate or not. That is how the brain manages internal psychological conflict to make it easier to live with ourselves. Most of us are pretty pathetic examples, and to acknowledge that consciously to ourselves can cause depression so the brain does what brains do and molds our self-belief system to protect us from ourselves. Brains do that automatically, on a subconscious level.

One of my favorite fall-back positions on this topic is the "all other things being equal" point of view. Imagine two guys, exact physical and emotional copies of each other. Clones who acted exactly alike in all situations. Now, one guy pays for sex and the other guy never does. Who do more girls choose, over time? The answer mi amigos is a no-brainer. Whether you agree, like it or loathe it, that is the way things work on this planet.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708017]Well he was either lying to you, or you were seen on one of the cameras in the station. Unless they've invested in invisible cameras, there are no cameras in the individual cars.[/QUOTE]I find it credible and easy to believe that there could be hidden cameras aboard, but that's a pure guess. Could be your answer but I find it hard to believe that a worker at the metro station would go out of his way to "lie" about it to a customer, as you suggested. Maybe the definitive answer will appear soon. Inquiring minds would like to know. I will try to remember to ask next time I ride. I used to ride several times a week when Catgirl lived in San Javier, but not so much anymore.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708051]First, I can't claim to know what Elvis is doing.....[/QUOTE]If you take away the age, that is basically what Elvis is doing and I think Elvis is probably doing better. I also think he is paying more then the rent.

If it is a member here doing the same thing as the old man, what do you expect the reaction to be? Older age does not make him immune to bad things.

Is there a condensed version of the should knows / pro tips? I don't have time to look through a few thousand pages of reports.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2707989]Cameras are in so many places in Medellin but not in such an important location as inside the cable cars? Those cable cars are vastly important for transportation and needed for safety of passengers from other passengers and if there is a mechanical problem. I find that really impossible to believe just because you can not see that tiny camera.[/QUOTE]There are several hundred metrocable cars. Other than the door hinges, there is nothing mechanical inside the car. If a passenger attacks another passenger inside the car, what use is a camera? Do they have trained eagles that can carry attack ferrets and drop them on the car, to crawl inside and subdue the attacker? The only place anyone can enter or leave a car, except by breaking the plexiglass and plunging to their death is at a station, which is fully staffed during hours of operation. They can't change the speed of the car.

In simpler terms there is zero benefit of installing several hundred wireless cameras with UV lighting (because otherwise they're useless after dark), plus hundreds of monitors, not to mention the manpower to simultaneously monitor every single one. It's a publicly supported transportation system. They don't have the money to spend on useless crap. They don't even have fans in the cars. Other than the Tranvia they won't even spend the money to put air conditioning on the trains.

I've done a photo shoot on the metrocable with a nude webcam model. I've gotten head on the metrocable. I've had a girl's pants around her ankles and her tits out while I fingered her to orgasm on the metrocable. And I even have checked several times for any cameras on my 30 or more trips on every single line. At the very least someone should have noticed.

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[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708030]So we are going with hidden cameras? Is that the correct conclusion? Worth noting. That's some funny shit.[/QUOTE]Not just hidden. We're talking nanotechnology microscopic Hi-def cameras. They can't afford to put a $5 fan in the cars, but they have the money for $5000 cameras in every single gondola. Of every metrocable line.

It's time's like me when I can sympathize with the preschool teachers.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2708045]Yes, Continental you are correct. In addition to your experience, there is the well known case of the uniformed law enforcement official who was caught on camera smoking weed in a cable car. The video was widely shared on social media and the national media outlets. It's beside the point but it later emerged that the party guy was in fact a probationary trainee rather than a full fledged officer. The point is there is video surveillance so you should not do anything you would not want to be put on blast.[/QUOTE]Got a link to that? Because my search turns up nothing. Well except for 1 thing. Seems strange that they have cameras that can detect someone smoking pot, but can't detect someone making a porn video. You're usually spot on, but you're way off this time.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph618eae16d3e8e[/URL]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708086]Not saying all girls are like this, but there are plenty of chicas out there with low self esteem who will hang with any dude who shows them such attention. Whether or not a guy pays directly with cash is not a black and white issue, especially in Colombia, where these chica are on continuum of Pay 4 Play. Some chicas will dig you enough to fuck you for free, at least at first. Using direct payment as a measure of whether or not a relationship is "valid" is full of loopholes. If you see a girl repeatedly and you never show her one sign of sharing or giving, I guarantee you will be replaced. Sometimes it takes a little time for the chica to see your cheap ass for what it really is, then the relationship ends.

Speaking of which, at my current rate of new wet holes over time, I will die with having been with way more regular "normal" girlfriends that prepago. But I like the pay-for-play option for convenience and the ease of variety. Paying for sex is an individual decision and we all settle for what we are willing to accept. Comparisons are futile. Trust me, there are plenty of girls out there who will never consider a guy who can't pay. The "pool" of girls available to a guy adjusts to the girls' payment threshold.

This becomes an automatic self-selecting process that guys rationalize in their head by categorizing the girls they can't have as ones they don't want.

My ex-wife, who I know loved me as much as anyone could, told me at the beginning of our relationship, "I ain't going to fall in love with no broke $**ger". That set the stage but certainly didn't make her a sex worker or lessen the value of our time together. We all pay.

[/QUOTE]Osteo. With all due respect. With the stories you tell and the pictures you send you sound and look a little crazy but then I read these post from you and I'm like "This man is a genius".

[QUOTE=Nounce;2708109]If you take away the age, that is basically what Elvis is doing and I think Elvis is probably doing better. I also think he is paying more then the rent.

If it is a member here doing the same thing as the old man, what do you expect the reaction to be? Older age does not make him immune to bad things.[/QUOTE]LOL you guys could learn from Elvis if you would get out of your preconception / misconception & judgmental worlds. After only a few yeas outside of sex prisons. Our brains still still carry that BS inside. Elvis is my hero!

But who cares it's not my business.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708091]I find it credible and easy to believe that there could be hidden cameras aboard, but that's a pure guess. Could be your answer but I find it hard to believe that a worker at the metro station would go out of his way to "lie" about it to a customer, as you suggested. Maybe the definitive answer will appear soon. Inquiring minds would like to know. I will try to remember to ask next time I ride. I used to ride several times a week when Catgirl lived in San Javier, but not so much anymore.[/QUOTE]All you need to do is look. Although it also helps if you understand that the metrocable is part of a public transportation system. A public transportation system using CIA technology? While you're pondering that, I can hook you up with some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2708109]If you take away the age, that is basically what Elvis is doing and I think Elvis is probably doing better. I also think he is paying more then the rent.

If it is a member here doing the same thing as the old man, what do you expect the reaction to be? Older age does not make him immune to bad things.[/QUOTE]I was not aware of Elvis the Pelvis being a prototype for any such behavior. My assumption is that there are a GGG (gazillion gringo guys) of all ages supporting chicas at variable levels. I don't know what "bad things" means. Physical? Social? Emotional?

I am sorry but in the interest of time this is one rabbit hole I will beg off, and you may certainly have the last word if you wish.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2697470]You think so? Haha. I am just trying to discuss something concrete. LOL.

Another example, I will pay 400 mil for someone like this and above, thinner will be better. The catch is I will only pay the girl 200, I will pay the person who can teach me the rope to set up a date with multiple hours, BBBJ, DFK 200 mil. I know it's not much but this will help prove a point.

Many already know who this is. Her recent ISG review isn't great either. Those are not the point. I use her as a reference point. hell, I will take her too if she accepts the same term[/QUOTE]Who is this? What's the link to the ISG review? Thanks in advanced!

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2708141]LOL you guys could learn from Elvis if you would get out of your preconception / misconception & judgmental worlds. After only a few yeas outside of sex prisons. Our brains still still carry that BS inside. Elvis is my hero!

But who cares it's not my business.[/QUOTE]Learn what? If you spend enough money you can get what you want? I learned that back when my weekly allowance was $1. It is universally applicable. If I want a Ferrari I need to pay for a Ferrari. If my budget can only handle a Fiat, guess what I won't be driving? Of course sometimes someone will get a treasure for a junk price. At least 200,000 people have found a pristine 66 Corvette Coupe for $200 (although it's worth noting that less than 10,000 were produced).

Fortunately, there's no standard pricing model for women. What you get doesn't always match what you paid for, better or worse.

Lastly, you should know that beauty and sexual satisfaction are entirely subjective. If someone is your hero because they claim to have the most beautiful woman and the best sex, then you should probably just give up women entirely. If Elvis is enjoying himself or is completely miserable it doesn't matter, except to him.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2704047]I sometimes think we have this all wrong. We discuss endlessly the price for chica company, and I think we have the point of view wrong. We wonder if there is a price for 8's, 10's, by venue, by method of contact, etc.

But from the chica's point of view there is the same continuum. I totally believe there are chicas that charge 20 mil, 200 mil, and 2 million mil. Depending on the customer. Some of the 10's that may be 500 $ US at Gustos probably took 10 $ US for the same service somewhere else, perhaps in her barrio, perhaps for a taxi ride or whatever. The price is based on what is to be gotten in the place and customer at the time. It is all about information. They know the guy in Gustos who wandered in from his vacation hotel at the Charlee, and who thinks that $500 is quite reasonable for the gal he sees there, and it will sound good back home when he talks to his buddies. They know the expat guy who sees different chicas every couple of days. And their local pirate taxi guy who will drive them around for a blow job if they are low on cash.

So we should be rating the mongers. My scale 1 - 10 would be simple. Multiply by 100 US $. Issue a tag at the airport so the chicas can negotiate more efficiently. A 10 would get all the attention in the world, and may get the odd bargain at $900 US. The 1's would also be fine downtown, or 3 somes at a casa, and may get the odd offer late at night in Parque Lleras, etc.[/QUOTE]I had to post on this one in that it happened to me on my first visit to MDE over 10 years ago. I was staying in a place where several mongers were renting rooms and ladies would come and go. We would see some of them and chat but that was it as they were the guest of this old doctor from the US. Fast forward and we go to a casa and there she is working before coming to see the doctor. She asked me not to tell the doctor that I saw her at the casa, so I sessioned with her and kept her secret. She was charging the doc 150 k and I paid 35 k. So, I think it really is just opportunity. Keep up the good vibes gents, Hopefully I will make it back in September.

[QUOTE=FrankLucas;2708175]So, I think it really is just opportunity. Keep up the good vibes gents[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2704047]But from the chica's point of view there is the same continuum.[/QUOTE]Opportunity, contiunuum, these chicas live in the moment and effortlessly adapt.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2708141]LOL you guys could learn from Elvis if you would get out of your preconception / misconception & judgmental worlds. After only a few yeas outside of sex prisons. Our brains still still carry that BS inside. Elvis is my hero!

But who cares it's not my business.[/QUOTE]Don, you are assuming. For the same reason, what you said can apply to you as well but it's not about Elvis in your case.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708142]All you need to do is look. Although it also helps if you understand that the metrocable is part of a public transportation system. A public transportation system using CIA technology? While you're pondering that, I can hook you up with some beautiful oceanfront property in Kansas.[/QUOTE]That I am gullible, jajaja.

I really appreciate a post like this. It does not raise an eyebrow. After reading it, I don't find myself wondering what it means or doubting what I know to be true based on personal experience.

[QUOTE=FrankLucas;2708175]I had to post on this one in that it happened to me on my first visit to MDE over 10 years ago. I was staying in a place where several mongers were renting rooms and ladies would come and go. We would see some of them and chat but that was it as they were the guest of this old doctor from the US. Fast forward and we go to a casa and there she is working before coming to see the doctor. She asked me not to tell the doctor that I saw her at the casa, so I sessioned with her and kept her secret. She was charging the doc 150 k and I paid 35 k. So, I think it really is just opportunity. Keep up the good vibes gents, Hopefully I will make it back in September.[/QUOTE]

OK, let's agree there are no cameras. I plan to keep my dick in my pants just in case. I didn't watch the porn video but I would not be surprised if the producers greased the skids with some bank notes to do what they wanted to do.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708137]Got a link to that? Because my search turns up nothing. Well except for 1 thing. Seems strange that they have cameras that can detect someone smoking pot, but can't detect someone making a porn video. You're usually spot on, but you're way off this time.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph618eae16d3e8e[/URL][/QUOTE]

No, no cameras, we are in agreement.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708030]So we are going with hidden cameras? Is that the correct conclusion? Worth noting. That's some funny shit.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2708139]Osteo. With all due respect. With the stories you tell and the pictures you send you sound and look a little crazy but then I read these post from you and I'm like "This man is a genius".[/QUOTE]Oscar Levant, "There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line".

I honestly believe excess intelligence is more of a hinderance than a help in this game. Anyone who brags or talks about their IQ on this Web site should get an automatic 20 point deduction on what they believe their IQ to be. In fact, I will go as far to say that intelligence is the most overrated of all human attributes.

A year ago, after problems setting up Rappi on my phone, I set it up on a girl's phone. She's a friend, someone I trust, although not someone I would give my credit card to. After Rappi still wouldn't deliver my order, I deleted the app from her phone, ordered pizza and forgot about it.

A few weeks ago she had to do a factory reset on her phone. When Rappi reinstalled it defaulted to my account, instead of her account (which charges to her boyfriend's card) and Rappi started charging my card for her deliveries.

My first thought when I saw charges for Rappi was that my account had been hacked. My next thought was that it was intentional, once I saw the delivery address. However, it didn't make sense. She's not hurting for money, she owns a car and property on Guatape. Why sneak a bir of money from me when it could destroy her reputation with family and friends? But, it was just an glitch that wasn't her fault.

She's already reimbursed me for the charges, that card is currently deactivated and I've removed it from Rappi. Although I doubt if anyone else will get into a similar situation, it's worth remembering.

As some people know, Facebook in Medellin is a good resource for finding girls. For numbers alone, it's the best source at any given time. There are drawbacks and it's definitely not for everyone.

Since it's been a few days since someone asked, to learn how to get started on Facebook, go to the Links to Reports of Distinction thread and start reading. The answers can be found there.

One thing you absolutely should not do is use the Facebook account used for friends and family. In other words, don't do what I did. It hasn't caused me any issues, but that's because almost everyone expects me to do the things I do.

Perhaps because I post real life things, including the occasional picture of me, Facebook is recommending me to every Spanish speaking woman south of Mexico. I'm currently getting 50 or more friend requests per day. The same thing happened a year or 2 ago, although not as many. Granted, less than half meet my minimum standards, but it certainly makes increasing the size of the talent pool easy.

My "foto" on FB was always the Colombian flag. I would get friend requests, but nothing crazy. About a month ago I changed the foto from the flag to my face (it was the requirement to join a non-Monger Medellin group). I thought nothing of it at the time, but since then, I have been hammered with friend requests. Many (but not all) good looking. And several who are just regular girls (and not just prepagos and hardcores). It has been unreal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708452]

Perhaps because I post real life things, including the occasional picture of me, Facebook is recommending me to every Spanish speaking woman south of Mexico. I'm currently getting 50 or more friend requests per day. The same thing happened a year or 2 ago, although not as many. Granted, less than half meet my minimum standards, but it certainly makes increasing the size of the talent pool easy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708452]As some people know, Facebook in Medellin is a good resource for finding girls. For numbers alone, it's the best source at any given time. There are drawbacks and it's definitely not for everyone.

Since it's been a few days since someone asked, to learn how to get started on Facebook, go to the Links to Reports of Distinction thread and start reading. The answers can be found there.

One thing you absolutely should not do is use the Facebook account used for friends and family. In other words, don't do what I did. It hasn't caused me any issues, but that's because almost everyone expects me to do the things I do.

Perhaps because I post real life things, including the occasional picture of me, Facebook is recommending me to every Spanish speaking woman south of Mexico. I'm currently getting 50 or more friend requests per day. The same thing happened a year or 2 ago, although not as many. Granted, less than half meet my minimum standards, but it certainly makes increasing the size of the talent pool easy.[/QUOTE]Is there an Analogous approach with instagram?

Osteoknot, averaging 5 a day is very impressive. You must have been popping Rhino pills like candy!. Fun aside, I'm quite interested in how you handled the logistics of such a feat. Not just locating & sourcing, but venues for the various seeds, and dealing with no-shows, late arrivals etc. Anyway, please post the link or reference to your ISG report for that (or similar) trip so I can read up. Thanks.

P.S. Are Rhino pills (or equivalent) available in Bog & Med? I personally find them to be vastly superior to Viagra / sildenafil alone.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2704529]My wingman was slightly stunned today when I told him I didn't pop every single encounter. I said, "WTF, when I was averaging over 5 girls a day last trip did you think I was climaxing every time?" No fucking way. Maybe first and last. There are tons of ways to have fun without getting obsessed with orgasms. Probably one of my favorite things to do is edge all day then pull out on the last girl of the day and drench her face. Maybe tonight, with Catgirl, our first meeting this trip and she will be Number Three today. I am looking forward to it, with as little "desire" and "planning" as possible, jejeje.

Freckle left this morning for Peru. I have never spent so much time with one chica over four weeks. You may recall she was the chica to whom I made the bee-line when my plane landed here about a month ago. I cried like a baby for a few minutes but it's a good thing she left. We basically had nothing in common except total tolerance of each others' company and effortless sex. Not pussy whipped but another level I can't explain..[/QUOTE]

I caught my looong time Number Two chica and perennial favorite here, Scarlet red-handed stealing from me in my hotel room. She even brought an accomplice. They were trying to sneak a trivial amount of pink powder into a little baggie of their own. The value wasn't the issue, but that they planned it and lied about it after I caught them is what doomed her.

Very much surprised myself by not shedding a tear, she falls hard from the Number Two position and will probably land somewhere around 7-8. She's lucky to still be on The List, and perhaps I will reconsider. The whole affair was surprisingly calm, as if it was expected. I cut a lot of slack for these chicas because of their environment. Scarlet falling from Number Two and losing novia status will also save me some money. My last Google Translate to her before I escorted her out the door was, "You just did the stupidest thing ever in our relationship. " I am not going to reorganize my List until a later time. The Numbers 3-5 chicas know and were keenly interested.

Freckle came back. From Peru. She took 2 day 9 hour bus ride there to be with family, then decided after several nights she liked it better here. With me. Borrowed the money for the return ticket and showed up on my doorstep today. The saying goes that these chicas always circle back around, but I really had it in my head that I would never see her again, even though we are sharing feelings I have never felt before. Thirty years ago I might have mistaken it for love. Now, I have given up on trying to understand what love means. I described our relationship before as this: Total comfort, relaxation and acceptance in each other's company and fully sexually compatible. We can go hours and not speak. Her favorite thing to do is lie flat prone on her belly with her cell in one hand, a hamburger in the other, while I eat her ass. She lives in my bed, gets up for bathroom. She watches her cell phone at all times including during sex unless she giving oral. The vibe between is simply contentment and being with her feels like it adds years to my lifespan. I have yet to get bored with running my hands over her nearly flawless skin and awesome Vennie body.

Over the long haul, I guess our relationship would get boring, but not so far, more like heaven. Day by day on this for now, minute by minute, until I feel compelled to take different action. She is a willing participant and garnered a position faster than anyone who was ever added after The List was formed. She is aware and informed about our situation, and that there are several girls above her, and Catgirl will always be Number One. She says all that doesn't matter. If I were back in time or back in the states I would write her off as being ditzy or delusional, but I believe she has it figured out better than I have. I don't think I am taking advantage of her in a harmful way, we both appear very happy in the moment and I will leave it at that for now. She accepts payment well below Fair Market Value. Eat, Sleep, Sex, Repeat. Catgirl is up on the mountain top where she was born, with her family.

Still haven't replaced my stolen phone. Missing the fotos most of all, then SMS messaging. I am down to one cheap burner fone that I use as a WiFi hotspot, between Internet providers so all I have is The Nutti's wonky WiFi. I went to a "store" today advertised on line as selling phones and it was just a guy in an office with a desktop computer ordering phones on-line, jajaja.

Went for my first successful and second visit to Ground Zero this trip earlier today. Effortless. A chica I have sessioned before quickly saw me, and flirted me up to fourth floor of The Real and gave a surprisingly good performance. I paid her 45 mil COP for the thirty minutes which was kind of a weird amount but she didn't say a word. I got a good look at both her lower holes when she was butt up and the light coming thru the window was hitting her ass. Very clean, as they usually are, and she was obviously no stranger to anal and I think that will be my next target if we cross paths again.

I did all that and no I don't have pics osteo I was enjoying the moment. I looked everywhere and couldn't find anything in them or online after. The reason I mentioned it is I wanted to do it again with someone else for next time and she said no way there's cameras. It could be a rumor only. Thanks jjbee.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708137]Got a link to that? Because my search turns up nothing. Well except for 1 thing. Seems strange that they have cameras that can detect someone smoking pot, but can't detect someone making a porn video. You're usually spot on, but you're way off this time.

[URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph618eae16d3e8e[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ExoticBro;2708614]Osteoknot, averaging 5 a day is very impressive. You must have been popping Rhino pills like candy!. Fun aside, I'm quite interested in how you handled the logistics of such a feat. Not just locating & sourcing, but venues for the various seeds, and dealing with no-shows, late arrivals etc. Anyway, please post the link or reference to your ISG report for that (or similar) trip so I can read up. Thanks.

P.S. Are Rhino pills (or equivalent) available in Bog & Med? I personally find them to be vastly superior to Viagra / sildenafil alone.[/QUOTE]Be very careful taking rhino and other sex pills marketed as all natural ingredients etc. They usually come from Asia and usually have very high amounts either Viagra or Cialis in them. Back in the day I took a very similar one called black ant.

[URL]https://www.fda.gov/drugs/medication...rug-ingredient[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Orion4;2708538]Is there an Analogous approach with instagram?[/QUOTE]My instagram is built from girls I found on Facebook. I haven't found the need to work Instagram. I get a few girls who add me, but nothing like on Facebook.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708626]I caught my looong time Number Two chica and perennial favorite here, Scarlet red-handed stealing from me in my hotel room. She even brought an accomplice. They were trying to sneak a trivial amount of pink powder into a little baggie of their own. The value wasn't the issue, but that they planned it and lied about it after I caught them is what doomed her.[/QUOTE]These friends you are claiming to have are sounding less and less like friends other people would probably want. Seems that very few of your friends have your best interest at heart.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708718]My instagram is built from girls I found on Facebook. I haven't found the need to work Instagram. I get a few girls who add me, but nothing like on Facebook.[/QUOTE]Ah I see, do you find FB better than IG? I haven't used FB in over a decade. Not sure if I want to invest time into making a FB and talking to girls through that, or invest in other avenues (e. G, tinder, or just going out and finding women).

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708755]Ah I see, do you find FB better than IG? I haven't used FB in over a decade. Not sure if I want to invest time into making a FB and talking to girls through that, or invest in other avenues (e. G, tinder, or just going out and finding women).[/QUOTE]Sorry. There's a typo here and I'm unable to edit my original comment. Meant to ask "do you find FB better than tinder.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2708751]These friends you are claiming to have are sounding less and less like friends other people would probably want. Seems that very few of your friends have your best interest at heart.[/QUOTE]Very liberal use of the word "friend".

If they were removing tusi then, in my opinion, they were doing him a favor.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2708751]These friends you are claiming to have are sounding less and less like friends other people would probably want. Seems that very few of your friends have your best interest at heart.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2708626]I caught my looong time Number Two chica and perennial favorite here, Scarlet red-handed stealing from me in my hotel room. She even brought an accomplice. They were trying to sneak a trivial amount of pink powder into a little baggie of their own. The value wasn't the issue, but that they planned it and lied about it after I caught them is what doomed her.

Very much surprised myself by not shedding a tear, she falls hard from the Number Two position and will probably land somewhere around 7-8. [/QUOTE]If it were me she would fall to number 100,000,000,000,008.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708755]Ah I see, do you find FB better than IG? I haven't used FB in over a decade. Not sure if I want to invest time into making a FB and talking to girls through that, or invest in other avenues (e. G, tinder, or just going out and finding women).[/QUOTE]Personally, I find FB much better than IG. Finding girls who are definitely p4 p is much easier, at least for me, on FB.

The trouble with Tinder is that you're dealing with completely anonymous women. The only information you get about them is what they choose to share and you have no way to verify anything. This makes Tinder the ideal platform for anyone with bad intentions and it has been used by gangs who drug and rob people. That's something everyone should keep in mind. With FB you can see their friends, family, pets, where they go, who they hang out with and what they eat. You can see birthday parties and concerts and the slutty costumes they wear for Halloween.

The method that works best for you will depend on you. For me, FB is like writing my name and number on the wall in the girl's bathroom. "For a good time call."

In the beginning you spend time and a bit of effort to build your friend list. After awhile, FB realizes the type of girls you're looking for and starts recommending them to you. Eventually FB starts recommending you to the type of girls you're looking for and all you need to do is decide which ones are worth accepting.

And it snowballs from there. Many of the girls have friends and family in other cities and other countries. Eventually you'll have interested women hitting you up from many places.

I'm already popping in to Facebook several times daily. If I have free time I can go through the women who sent me a friend request and accept or delete. Or I can scroll through my feed to get an idea what is on the collective mind of Medellin prepagos. For pure entertainment there are the Facebook stories. Facebook censors don't do a very good job in Colombia. It's like a new Victoria's Secret Catalog arrives every day, except it's 5 times bigger and the nipples aren't airbrushed out.

Nearly every day a new girl will send me a Hello, message, and I can either make it a brief introduction, or turn it into a full conversation. When it's time to go to Medellin, a simple post of my destination and dozens of women want to know if I will see them.

For me, it's ideal. For others it's a complete waste of time.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708755]Ah I see, do you find FB better than IG? I haven't used FB in over a decade. Not sure if I want to invest time into making a FB and talking to girls through that, or invest in other avenues (e. G, tinder, or just going out and finding women).[/QUOTE]On FB it's very clear who the working girls are because they are friends with dozens of mongers (or other prepagos) and post photos and videos late at night. On IG it's not as clear as many girls are just 'modeling' and younger than you think. Also more clutter on IG (ie girls get hundreds of IMs). I have hooked up with a handful of girls that have 100 to 300 k IG followers, but it's harder to know who is open to a date and P4 P beyond that. The number of followers only roughly correlate to looks as well. Many really hot ones with only 1 k or 2 k followers (I. E. Mostly friends and family). The only way I can tell for a fact is if their IG doesn't have their pic or is blank.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708852]Personally, I find FB much better than IG. Finding girls who are definitely p4 p is much easier, at least for me, on FB.

The trouble with Tinder is that you're dealing with completely anonymous women. The only information you get about them is what they choose to share and you have no way to verify anything. This makes Tinder the ideal platform for anyone with bad intentions and it has been used by gangs who drug and rob people. That's something everyone should keep in mind. With FB you can see their friends, family, pets, where they go, who they hang out with and what they eat. You can see birthday parties and concerts and the slutty costumes they wear for Halloween.

The method that works best for you will depend on you. For me, FB is like writing my name and number on the wall in the girl's bathroom. "For a good time call."

In the beginning you spend time and a bit of effort to build your friend list. After awhile, FB realizes the type of girls you're looking for and starts recommending them to you. Eventually FB starts recommending you to the type of girls you're looking for and all you need to do is decide which ones are worth accepting.

And it snowballs from there. Many of the girls have friends and family in other cities and other countries. Eventually you'll have interested women hitting you up from many places..[/QUOTE]So I used to work at Meta and contributed to some of the ML recommendation algorithms. There's some issues where if you make multiple accounts from the same mac address, it'll try to synchronize recommendations (this may lead to weird situations if you have a professional and monger account).

Anyways, I also just made an account, and added 5 girls from Medellin, and then FB automatically suspended my account.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2708751]These friends you are claiming to have are sounding less and less like friends other people would probably want. Seems that very few of your friends have your best interest at heart.[/QUOTE]Mr E, you have to realize the attempted theft didn't really happen. He has posted many times that "stories about recreational drugs are purely fictional".

As for his friends, I remember one of the first times I read about his friendship encounters was with the "policeman" who shook him down for a princely amount, and then became his friend.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2708886]

As for his friends, I remember one of the first times I read about his friendship encounters was with the "policeman" who shook him down for a princely amount, and then became his friend.[/QUOTE]I am still waiting 9+ months for his answer on how that all went down. I knew the girl and can not see her doing that. But based on all the manure he spreads 10 feet wide and a foot deep here. You know he spreads it further and deeper with the girls. My guess is he told that girl or a friend of hers she was his girlfriend and she got pissed off when she learned the truth. Just spit ballin'. His answer may help a newbie but his feelings got hurt so this was the one time he finally decided to keep his mouth shut.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2682606]Oh, my nubie friend. About 95%+ of my fucks are raw. That said, I'm not going to casas. I'm not doing street girls or Lleras girls. I stick mostly with FB chicas. Tend to be semi-pros and non-pros. You just need to look. Probaly not going to get raw from an escort site or a place like Fase II. Unless you pay a lot extra (and still not likely), but that's probably good because, trust me, you probably don't want to bareback those girls. Girls in Medellin are accustomed to BBFS. The Colombian goes aren't going to pay for a condom, let alone use it. That's part of the reason why you see so many chicas with kids and no man in sight.[/QUOTE]ColombiaLover. You speak Spanish fluently?

Do you quote those FB girls a price? Or she ask for a price when communicating with you? (Semi-Pro).

They are non-pro. They don't even ask for a price? You just go with the flow and stick it in raw? (And you give her some dinero after its done?

I'm trying to figure out the logistics. What's a good place to stay long term? How much you usually pay? Looking at airbnb but don't really want to bring a girl home with hosts around.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708875]So I used to work at Meta and contributed to some of the ML recommendation algorithms. There's some issues where if you make multiple accounts from the same mac address, it'll try to synchronize recommendations (this may lead to weird situations if you have a professional and monger account).

Anyways, I also just made an account, and added 5 girls from Medellin, and then FB automatically suspended my account.[/QUOTE]Very good points. For my monger account I have a totally different city, hell continent for my home, different college, birthday, etc. Photos show the real me, but only 'friends' see them and my profile photo is a bit obscure. I also only access it from my Colombia burner phone (use wifi in US). I'm not too paranoid, but years ago had the situation occur that you mentioned.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2709028]Very good points. For my monger account I have a totally different city, hell continent for my home, different college, birthday, etc. Photos show the real me, but only 'friends' see them and my profile photo is a bit obscure. I also only access it from my Colombia burner phone (use wifi in US). I'm not too paranoid, but years ago had the situation occur that you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Did you put your real first and last name on your monger account?

I put my first real first name with a fake last name and real city. After my account was suspended, FB asked me to upload a pic of me for review to validate I'm not catfishing but it's weird because it allowed me to upload any photo of me (I remember some other apps had me do specific poses or upload a picture ID, but with this FB verification, I could just upload any old pic of me) so I don't get what the point is.

[QUOTE=GwynPlaine;2709026]I'm trying to figure out the logistics. What's a good place to stay long term? How much you usually pay? Looking at airbnb but don't really want to bring a girl home with hosts around.[/QUOTE]What is your definition of 'long term'? Are you coming here on vacation for a month or six weeks? Or are you planning on living here semi-permanently?

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708755]Ah I see, do you find FB better than IG? I haven't used FB in over a decade. Not sure if I want to invest time into making a FB and talking to girls through that, or invest in other avenues (e. G, tinder, or just going out and finding women).[/QUOTE]I like IG because you can find some hot dates that are not or aren't blatantly prepagos.

You'll notice that the hookers all follow each other one way or another. Once you follow enough of the fb prepagos on IG you'll notice that they follow all the other ones.

It's not like FB where most times you can't see their friends list.

And the great part is you see it on top of their page.

The tough part is actually making contact but sending out a couple hundred "hola como estas?" can really pay off one day. LOL.

I have a fake FB account with 73 girl-friends. They should be all somehow available.

We should share those lists, and if you PM me I'll friend you so we can see each other list of friends (I' not a FB expert, but I guess this is doable. Any hint).

FB, like other girls, do not have reviews. We all have different rating stiles, but an objective review would help every ISG interested member.

I do not know if reviews are possible here, but they should be in PM, at least. Any idea?

[QUOTE=Orion4;2709039]Did you put your real first and last name on your monger account?

I put my first real first name with a fake last name and real city. After my account was suspended, FB asked me to upload a pic of me for review to validate I'm not catfishing but it's weird because it allowed me to upload any photo of me (I remember some other apps had me do specific poses or upload a picture ID, but with this FB verification, I could just upload any old pic of me) so I don't get what the point is.[/QUOTE]I have a derivation of my real first name and use a fake last name of Spanish origin. Since I use the account for some non-pros it needs to be somewhat believable.

Thank you, this is a very good heads up. It's been mentioned here more than once in the past but you know, this group's memory tends to be limited to the last couple of pages of posts. I remember is was back in 2011 or so that facebook's landing pages startied displaying login dialogs for as many accounts accessed the site from a given machine. By now it's well known that facebook mines personal data from users and that data includes the personal data of non-facebook contacts, even if those contacts have never accessed facebook. Of course facebook also exploits any information you expose to it (e. G. Telephone numbers, contact files, photos, videos, GPS coordinates, and on and on and on.).

The bottom line of interest to us is that it is very difficult to prevent data leakage between what we call "monger accounts" and the accounts that include family, personal, and professional contacts. In plain language, the "people you may know" contact suggestions are a mine field that can blow up in our faces depending on what combination of us or our contacts click them. Maybe it will be helpful to some guys if this information is pinned to the "how can I use facebook to get laid" threads.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708875]So I used to work at Meta and contributed to some of the ML recommendation algorithms. There's some issues where if you make multiple accounts from the same mac address, it'll try to synchronize recommendations (this may lead to weird situations if you have a professional and monger account).

Anyways, I also just made an account, and added 5 girls from Medellin, and then FB automatically suspended my account.[/QUOTE]

You can select airbnb properties where there is no resident host. The search term to use is "entire place to yourself".

[QUOTE=GwynPlaine;2709026]I'm trying to figure out the logistics. What's a good place to stay long term? How much you usually pay? Looking at airbnb but don't really want to bring a girl home with hosts around.[/QUOTE]

I am with you. The date of our next encounter would be the 12th of Never.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2708850]If it were me she would fall to number 100,000,000,000,008.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PoonyD;2708714]Be very careful taking rhino and other sex pills marketed as all natural ingredients etc. They usually come from Asia and usually have very high amounts either Viagra or Cialis in them. Back in the day I took a very similar one called black ant.

[URL]https://www.fda.gov/drugs/medication...rug-ingredient[/URL]

Your Message.[/QUOTE]Indeed. I know all too well that Rhino contains viagra; that part isn't a deterrent for me. Heck, I oftentimes stack a viagra along with a Rhino (and adderall too if I'm in the mood for a marathon edging session). Guess I have high tolerance. Difference for me is Rhino (certain ones) have a crazy-long effective period. I'm not talking about single-occasion erection duration, rather, the I'm able to continue reaping the benifits across several sessions over multiple days from a single pill. And there's a way to know in advance if it's still in effect; it somehow prevents shrivel dick and maintains a slight but noticeable "chub" throughout the effective period. The best one I've ever tried had me so confused, shocked, and thrilled; for 15 days I had the perfect 'persistent hornyness' along with the God power to have on-demand erections which were larger and harder than normal, and nutted MUCH more explosively. Best two weeks of my life! Haha. For reference, regularly, without anything, I'll have to be really horny, like after a week or 2 without action, and still only be about 3/4 as hard (followed by an infinitely-long recovery).

P.S. My above-mentioned meds are legally / legitimately prescribed.

I am not fluent, but I get by fine.

I usually allow them to quote. Obviously the more pro, the more quick they are to give you a number, often without you asking. The semi-pros are a little more hesitant. Maybe to see what you will pay. Or maybe because they don't want to scare you away. If they give me a crazy number, I just tell them thank, I am sure you are worth it to some new guys, but I've been going to Colombia for 17 years and have my price. Sometimes they ask what I'd pay and sometimes not. The more semi-pros may ask me and I will tell them. FYI. I usually pay 150 mas or up to 200. Depends on the chica and how much I want her. I don't expect her to stay the night and I typically do not want TLN, because I don't get my money's worth any more. Depending on the girl, I might throw in some beer or Rappi. I do NOT buy drugs for any chicas.

Non-pros in my book are girls who are not in it for money, so they don't ask for money (even thought some might expect you will help them). If the ask for a certain price upfront, then they do not meet my definition of a non-pro. I just go with the flow. I almost always get BBFS (the only ones who object tend to be the pros and I wouldn't fuck those nasty working girls raw anyway). I will usually give them a bit of money at the end (to help with bills, I tell them). I decide how much depending on my experience and my mood. It's more that I don't want any guilt on my part if I never see them again. I don't want them to feel used for sex. I do have some manners.

One caveat. You will not always get laid on the first date with a non-pro. In fact many "good girls" would never do that. So you might need to be patient and boink her on the second date, if you decide you want to see her again. That's always a risk. You have to decide if it's worth it. I got to MDE so often that I don't care. But if you are a guy who goes for a few days every six months, then probably not worth the risk. Unless you just like an enjoyable night with a chica that does not have to involve sex.

All my opinion and experience. Others have very different approaches.

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2708971]ColombiaLover. You speak Spanish fluently?

Do you quote those FB girls a price? Or she ask for a price when communicating with you? (Semi-Pro).

They are non-pro. They don't even ask for a price? You just go with the flow and stick it in raw? (And you give her some dinero after its done?[/QUOTE]

For all the first-timers curious about the conflicting info out there on the topic of hotel room vs motel / casa, getting "wiped out" after being drugged in your hotel, the relevancy of chica-friendly accommodations, etc, here is a 8-point summary of what you need to know:

1. Regarding trip reports where dudes almost exclusively used their own room: A lot of these reports come from senior members who already know the ropes; don't expect to emulate their experiences on your first trip (unless you have the necessary guidance and insight, or you have a limitless budget. More on that below).

2. Regarding advice to never bring a chica to your own room for fear of being drugged: This advice is geared towards newbies and thus not commonly mentioned in this forum. It is not bad advice, but not necessarily mandatory, as outlined below.

3. You may have heard "Scopolamine aka Dragons Breath is rampant" and also "Scopolamine is a myth": Believe either extreme and you will be set for failure. Just, use common sense; they cannot steal something that's hidden or undiscoverable. Also, hotels are safer than most AB&be and apartments due to a staffed front desk, cameras, and chica check-in. So yes, look for chica-friendly accommodations.

4. The dangers of the street scene like El Centro, Santa Fe etc is greatly exaggerated. The odds of getting mugged is quite low. As evidenced in this forum, I'd say it's about a 1 in 500 chance, if not 1 in 1,000, or less. But, of course, being blatantly idiotic could make you a statistic.

5. MiamiBoy will disagree, but the pleasure-cost ratio will be exponentially higher with the SW's in centro, SF, etc. Particularly if you're not a fan of covered services. But you'll likely have to first visit with these chicas in the nearby hood motel room before they agree to come to your place (with caution). FYI, SW + room 30-50 k, or about 50-100 k (incl taxi) for outcall, depending on distance.

[QUOTE=ExoticBro;2708614]Osteoknot, averaging 5 a day is very impressive. You must have been popping Rhino pills like candy!. Fun aside, I'm quite interested in how you handled the logistics of such a feat. Not just locating & sourcing, but venues for the various seeds, and dealing with no-shows, late arrivals etc. Anyway, please post the link or reference to your ISG report for that (or similar) trip so I can read up. Thanks.

P.S. Are Rhino pills (or equivalent) available in Bog & Med? I personally find them to be vastly superior to Viagra / sildenafil alone.[/QUOTE]I am a little out of sorts. The people who befriended me during that recent crazy weekend in Guatape sold me some Tussi and it was too strong. The stuff they had in Guatape was purrfekt, but like a bartender who pours strong drinks as a favor, the batch they made for me to buy was twice as strong and it knocked me out of commission for a couple of days. Thank Gawd for my wingman and good friend who brought me fluids and soup and I am 80% back to full strength. I think that is one reason Scarlet was so tempted to pilfer a small amount of the pink powder because it was the strongest she ever tasted and she uses more tussi than all my other girls combined. Most of the girls I know can take it or leave it.

Freckle is here in bed now. We can't get enough of each other. She stayed in Peru for six nights then returned. Craziest ass relationship I have ever experienced but why ask why? All we want to is be next to each other, have sex, with rarely saying a word. She stays on her cellular most of the time which I am sure would drive some guys crazy but I don't care. Makes her happy and puts her into a totally submissive state of mind and she will let me do anything I want to her. She's not doing it for the money, that's for sure. She is getting fat from contentment but I don't care, yet.

Unfortunately, being bedridden for two days and then allowing Freckle to monopolize my time is throwing off the equilibrium I had with my other chicas. They others are getting upset with their loss of face time which of course leads to a loss of income for them.

I operate from A List, or ten ranked chicas. The List was created to keep my Numero Uno Novia, Catgirl, always at the top, but allow me to still see other chicas. She does the same without a formal list. In other words, we have an open relationship. For Scarlet to drop from Number Two is a big thing. Functionally, she was more like my Number One because Catgirl and I rarely see each other. The Top 4-5 chicas are considered novias and the rest are amigas or friends. Novias get more benefits, mainly in the form of nice gifts.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2709167]

One caveat. You will not always get laid on the first date with a non-pro. [/QUOTE]We could start with, never say never.

I was amused when one of my good Gringo friends here shared with me his "three date" rule for the regular girls here, in other words, if they haven't put out by 3 dates then time to move on to another chica. I didn't have the heart to tell him, that was my rule in the United States, 3 dates, but not here. My philosophy here is if the girl likes you enough to go out, she will like you enough to put out. Maybe not every time on the first date, but most of the time, yes. If you don't gift her at the end, then she may not see you again. If the whole affair can be completed without her every having to bring up the subject of money, all the better, that way she doesn't feel like a prepago.

In the end, the prepagos are more convenient and easier to manage, but sometimes I yearn for the mindset of a "normal" girl who doesn't seem like every second she is spending with you is about what she can get out of you. There are chicas at the extreme ends of the scale, but for me, they are all on a conitnuum of Pay for Play. Even the professionals like doctors, dentists, and lawyers. My same friend bagged a doctor here, cost him one-million pesos. He didn't repeat with her but at the same time he had no regrets.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2709080]What is your definition of 'long term'? Are you coming here on vacation for a month or six weeks? Or are you planning on living here semi-permanently?[/QUOTE]I honestly don't know I bought a one way ticket.

I got a nice studio apartment for $18 / night for a week so have privacy now. Airbnb / hotels can take care of visits under a month.

But yes what are good places for living here 1 month to 6 months at a time?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2709028]Very good points. For my monger account I have a totally different city, hell continent for my home, different college, birthday, etc. Photos show the real me, but only 'friends' see them and my profile photo is a bit obscure. I also only access it from my Colombia burner phone (use wifi in US). I'm not too paranoid, but years ago had the situation occur that you mentioned.[/QUOTE]Maybe this is over the top but I def don't want my photo out there and yet wanted Chicas to feel comfy on Facebook. So I took a selfie and grabbed a similar shot of an actor off the web and used face morph software to composite. Took a couple tries but came out great. Looks enough like me that a Chica won't be surprised but no one who knows me would say it's me. Could use this for a Tinder or whatever.

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2709107]I have a fake FB account with 73 girl-friends. They should be all somehow available.

We should share those lists, and if you PM me I'll friend you so we can see each other list of friends (I' not a FB expert, but I guess this is doable. Any hint).

FB, like other girls, do not have reviews. We all have different rating stiles, but an objective review would help every ISG interested member.

I do not know if reviews are possible here, but they should be in PM, at least. Any idea?[/QUOTE]Good luck with that.

I've probably added more than 73 since Sunday night, all girls who sent me a friend request. I probably deleted 150. I've got another 30 requests waiting for me to go through them, but by the time I get to them it might be 50 or more.

If I know and like you, and you send me a friend request, I'll probably accept it. However, it won't do you much good. My friend list is hidden. The only benefit is that I might tell you happy birthday.

There's no need to share friend lists. If you can find 73, you can find 3000. Once you know how to get started, it's simple.

Reviews are nice, but not always helpful. If 5 of us had sessions with 5 girls, on 5 consecutive nights, each of us would have a different opinion of each girl. Throw in a non-pro and it would really change the reviews. YMMV depends on so many factors. With high mileage girls you might get consistent results, but the lower the mileage the greater the difference.

You're best bet is to find your own and to make friends with a few other mongers. Once you know others you can make recommendations which are a good fit.

I have that Google Photo app that E-mails me fotos from one, two, or three years ago the same day.

These are fotos of Catgirl one year ago with me at a cheap little Ayenda hotel on Avenida 70. Now, she is up on the moutaintop picking coffee beans with her family and that explains how dark she gets in the fotos and now, this time of year. I love her coffee Paisa skin color but she hates it. Like most parts of the world, the people are consciously or subconsciously racist about skin color and paler is better. I don't know how her skin gets all one color like that, she has never been near a tanning booth.

I just wrote her and told her if I don't get to see her soon I am headed back to the states but I say that all the time and it seems like I never leave until forced to because of my visa expiring or if I get that feeling if I stay any longer something really bad is going to happen, otherwise known as yet another Asti close-call. That's another thing Crazy George and I have in common. He generally escapes Medellin when he says it feels like if he stays any longer, he will die, from asundry causes, and I know he means it. Maybe that makes me the crazy one because at least he can recognize it.

I am crazy about her body, her face, and her tight holes. Her personality is like I a drug I am addicted to. I am the longest relationship of her young life. She is bisexual and burns through guys and girls usually at about the rate of one every two or three months. When I axed her why she sticks with me so long she says, "Because you're crazy like me, and you're not boring. " Ten years ago I would've said that was not a basis for a relationship. Now, I say don't overthink it, and go by how I feel day by day.

If you want to go by DSM-V bullshit, she definitely has borderline personality disorder, but I've dealt with worse. My ex-wife was full blown bipolar and after her, this is fairly easy. I broke down and cried when I first realized I had fallen in love with another girl with significant mental illness. As I have confessed here before, my mongering dad imprinted upon me when I was fourteen years old, "the crazier the girl, the better she fucks" and that shaped my future choices. I didn't realize it until I guess you would say, it was too late.

All the girls I met from personal referrals or "friends of friends" or I found them on my own out and about. So far, I have never hooked up with a chica from Facebook or Instagram or any of those social networks. I originally came to Medellin in 2019 solely to see Catgirl and I had no idea MDE was a mongering destination or the tussi capital of the world until after I arrived.

One good feature about The List is my flake rate or no-show rate is virtually zero. Five girls a day was not sustainable and I was walking around like a zombie in the end. That was last trip. I was compensating for some behaviors when I realized Catgirl was occupying some of her time with her admirers from TikTok, which she joined half a year ago. Last time I came to MDE she was in San Andres with a guy. This time she was in the Dominican Republic. Right now she is on the mountaintop 3 hours north of here near Buritica where she grew up.

My Top Ten Chicas are a mix of all different kind of girls from pure puta to a couple of girls who would never consider taking money for sex, but they all do in the end. I think it is unrealistic to hold these chicas to the same standard of "friend" as I would back in the states. Call in situational ethics, or a cop-out, or whatever, but that's me.

As far a boner pills, I rarely use them but I found a brand that works better than Viagra, see foto. I get them from the drug store. I have to ask by name, I have never seen them displayed. I have passed them on to two other mongers and they both agree, best ever. With less side effects.

I thought it was funny when I was averaging over five chicas per day that some people here thought that somehow implied I was having five or more climaxes per day. Jajajaja, maybe when I was in my twenties but not now. My sexual sessions are not focused around "popping", I time those for when I think it will be the most fun. Also, I know how to have mini-orgasms of what some guys try to call "multi-orgasmic" but really that is just contractions without shooting a full-load. I like to edge, too, then pull out on the last girl of the day and come all over her face, especially if she doesn't want it or isn't expecting it, Jajajaja.

I went to a phone store here listed on-line to replace my stolen phone and it was just a small office and a guy with a desk-top ordering phones on-line. I think my next stop will me Monetary Mall, they specialize in electronics. I have my strong WiFi hotspot back as of today thru WOM, a local provider, so I may continue to function like this without a working phone number until I get back to the states. My usual cellular provider will not ship a SIM card or a phone to me here in Colombia. One thing I have not seen mentioned here is the newer phones with eSIM cards preinstalled, no physical chip required. Only certain phones have them but that seems like the wave of the future to me. Anyone using a phone with eSIM?

Scarlet also was great for bringing me a bevy of her gorgeous friends. Right now, without Scarlet and her friends, and Freckle spending days and nights with me, I am in a very different space in my head than I have ever been in before here. Unless Scarlet confesses that she planned her little plot to steal my tussi, I will not see her again. Maybe, or until the little head takes over again. She keeps trying to tell me it was all her friend's idea without any involvement of Scarlet, but that is too much bullshit even more my gullible personality. I don't know what is next. I don't know when I will see Catgirl again. One of my best friends, Crazy George has come and gone three times from here at The Nutti since I spotted him here only last week and he messaged me today saying that he is in Miami but had to leave his main suitcase in the MDE airport because he didn't have the $70 USD to pay the fee for his luggage, jajaja, typical George.

Scarlet's mom just Whassap'd me 17 messages that I don't have the energy to delve into at this time. I grew very close to three generations of Scarlet's family so tossing her aside is not to be taken lightly.

I will make my wingman proud, I just ate Freckle's pussy for an hour on a break from writing this and without doing any tussi. I think that was a first.

[QUOTE=ExoticBro;2709178]For all the first-timers curious about the conflicting info out there on the topic of hotel room vs motel / casa, getting "wiped out" after being drugged in your hotel, the relevancy of chica-friendly accommodations, etc, here is a 8-point summary of what you need to know:

1. Regarding trip reports where dudes almost exclusively used their own room: A lot of these reports come from senior members who already know the ropes; don't expect to emulate their experiences on your first trip (unless you have the necessary guidance and insight, or you have a limitless budget. More on that below).

2. Regarding advice to never bring a chica to your own room for fear of being drugged: This advice is geared towards newbies and thus not commonly mentioned in this forum. It is not bad advice, but not necessarily mandatory, as outlined below.

3. You may have heard "Scopolamine aka Dragons Breath is rampant" and also "Scopolamine is a myth": Believe either extreme and you will be set for failure. Just, use common sense; they cannot steal something that's hidden or undiscoverable. Also, hotels are safer than most AB&be and apartments due to a staffed front desk, cameras, and chica check-in. So yes, look for chica-friendly accommodations.

4. The dangers of the street scene like El Centro, Santa Fe etc is greatly exaggerated. The odds of getting mugged is quite low. As evidenced in this forum, I'd say it's about a 1 in 500 chance, if not 1 in 1,000, or less. But, of course, being blatantly idiotic could make you a statistic.

5. MiamiBoy will disagree, but the pleasure-cost ratio will be exponentially higher with the SW's in centro, SF, etc. Particularly if you're not a fan of covered services. But you'll likely have to first visit with these chicas in the nearby hood motel room before they agree to come to your place (with caution). FYI, SW + room 30-50 k, or about 50-100 k (incl taxi) for outcall, depending on distance.[/QUOTE]6, 7, and 8 got cut off in the original post.

6. The best "experience", independent of cost, is having a lux escort or SA / FB come to your room or a luxury motel (clean themed rooms w / hot tub, glass showers, sex furniture etc, +/-100.000 for 4 hrs). Sample this scene at least once, regardless of your budget, and make it the norm if money is no object. There's virtually zero risk with high-profile online chicas bec their reputation is paramount, BBBJ is typically extra, and their BBFS will break the bank. If money is relevant, you can have a couple threesomes with SWs for the same price as one high-profile chica.

7. Casas (and some brothels and MPs to a lesser extent) are a good middle ground. The better ones provide a good combination of safety, convenience, services, price, and quality of room & chica.

8. Avoid going back to your place with a (oxymoronic) "high-end street walker", like the typical Parque Lleras chica. They typically will not exceed the performance or eagerness of a 30 k SW, will not be as hot as the online chicas (but will demand just as much), and are a bigger security risk since there's no agency or online reputation to uphold.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2709198]Reviews are nice, but not always helpful. If 5 of us had sessions with 5 girls, on 5 consecutive nights, each of us would have a different opinion of each girl.[/QUOTE]Ain't it the truth. I more or less have stopped all referrals unless it's to a good friend, not because I know his tastes but because I know he won't hold it against me if the girl turns out to be a dud for him. Once the doors close and two (or more) people have at it, translating that over to the next mongerer is generally an exercise in futility because of biases, prejudices, perceptions, and basically what floats one guy's boat can sink another.

A few fotos of Freckle from tonight, she baled on me and went out with her friends, can't blame her instead of wanting to hang out with an old dude. The first crack in the Nirvana that has been our relationship showed tonight when she brought up my other girlfriends and I brought up the little habit she has developed lately of promising to spend the night and then splitting after she gets her sexual satisfaction. Oh well, everyone knows purrfektion cannot last forever, and we are still having fun, but reality is starting to creep in. The length of time we were able to forstall reality was a new personal record for me, about four weeks or more if we count the last week of my last trip, the first week I stayed with her at her hotel when I first arrived this trip, and then the time around her one week trip to Peru from which she just returned. I will never forget what we had, and still have, even if it's starting to fade now.

The camera on this little burner phone really sux compared to my stolen Galaxy but such is life.

She's getting a little fat, with a little new round pooch on her belly but I consider that happiness from contentment so I am not holding it against her, yet. I told her so and she just laughed. Then, she always lays on her stomach with one leg out to the side like that. I can't get her to lie straight for the life of me, cute! In the third foto, I am spreading her ass with my hand and one foot to try and get the shot after licking her sweet ass, but like I said, this camera sucks, jajjajaja! And there's the freckle again, even this crappy camera picked it up, right next to her pussy, opposite my thumb.

[QUOTE=GwynPlaine;2709194]I honestly don't know I bought a one way ticket.

I got a nice studio apartment for $18 / night for a week so have privacy now. Airbnb / hotels can take care of visits under a month.

But yes what are good places for living here 1 month to 6 months at a time?[/QUOTE]GwynPlaine. Is this $18/ night studio AirBnB?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2709182]... I think that is one reason Scarlet was so tempted to pilfer a small amount of the pink powder because it was the strongest she ever tasted and she uses more tussi than all my other girls combined....[/QUOTE]Would you have given to her the same amount if she just asked?

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708875]So I used to work at Meta and contributed to some of the ML recommendation algorithms. There's some issues where if you make multiple accounts from the same mac address, it'll try to synchronize recommendations (this may lead to weird situations if you have a professional and monger account).[/QUOTE]That is not how MAC address works. It should stop at the router. The server sees the router. It probably is something else.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2708875]Anyways, I also just made an account, and added 5 girls from Medellin, and then FB automatically suspended my account.[/QUOTE]I am not surprised that happens if you send 5 friend requests immediately after creating an account. I will do some normal stuff for a few days before sending friend requests.

[QUOTE=ExoticBro;2709178]... but the pleasure-cost ratio will be exponentially higher with the SW's in centro, SF, etc. Particularly if you're not a fan of covered services. ...[/QUOTE]I think the pleasure-cost ratio is higher for the mongering style that you are best at. Unless you are equally good at both, you can't draw this conclusion because you don't have the experience.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2709140]You can select airbnb properties where there is no resident host. The search term to use is "entire place to yourself".[/QUOTE]The host can live in the same building or next to the place you are renting.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709294]Would you have given to her the same amount if she just asked?[/QUOTE]But it's not that simple. I used to give her tussi "to go" regularly when she left here as well as recently. And others. But it got ridiculous. 2/3 of what I had was going out the door. So then I made a new rule, no more free pink shit for anyone. You can do as much as you want while you are here but none of it leaves the room. But that changed again because Scarlet was the biggest single user in my line up (she loves it), and Number Two on my List, so for Scarlet only (and Catgirl on the rare occasion that I see her), I was still letting her go home with a punto or less. At times. But she has also scared me before with the state of mind she was in when she left. One time she fell down the stairs. Since this stuff was the strongest we ever had I had already told her "no" that night.

Her mom Whassap'd me for hours tonight. I can't believe Scarlet told her mom it was over tussi, I am sure she substituted "money" for tussi for what was stolen. Anywho, both mom and Scarlet are insisting that it was all the friend's doing, and that Scarlet had nothing to do with it. I had met the friend before but didn't really know her, sexed her at Scarlet's apartment during one of our fiestas when I first arrived, but never had her over to my hotel room before. And of course I was high as a kite during the entire ordeal.

So now I am not sure of anything, whether it's a family that doesn't want to be cut loose by their wealthy gringo, or if I falsely accused Scarlet when really it was only her friend who did the crime.

One thing I know for sure, the love between Scarlet's family and me was and is real. Scarlet's mom has done some incredibly nice things for me in the past that she did not have to do, as did Scarlet's grandmother. Fuckin' drugs will fuck things up at times, that's for sure. I'll probably give her another chance, IDK WTF is going on, which has been the theme of this entire trip.

The other point with these chicas is you can't argue their reality once they shape it in their heads. No matter what really happened, they 100% believe what they are telling you.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2709167]I will usually give them a bit of money at the end (to help with bills, I tell them). I decide how much depending on my experience and my mood. It's more that I don't want any guilt on my part if I never see them again. I don't want them to feel used for sex. I do have some manners.[/QUOTE]Most people go to work to get money to help with bills. You don't want them to feel used for sex, but you want them to feel like prostitutes by paying them?

[QUOTE=GwynPlaine;2709194]I honestly don't know I bought a one way ticket.[/QUOTE]The airline is not going to let you board the plane with a one way ticket. You will need to show "proof of onward travel. "

That is correct. It's helpful to check the "house rules" for indications of whether guests are permitted.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709299]The host can live in the same building or next to the place you are renting.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709295]That is not how MAC address works. It should stop at the router. The server sees the router. It probably is something else..[/QUOTE]I do recall having access to mac addresses, but I could remember incorrectly. I remember some other platforms that does mac address bans, so it seems accessible, but that's not really my area.

Also, FB denied my appeal. Idk why. I just made a new account.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709299]The host can live in the same building or next to the place you are renting.[/QUOTE]Correct. When it does not say you have the whole place to yourself it is when you have just a bedroom in someone's house, for example.

Generally in the airbnb's I have rented in Colombia the host lived in the same house, but had a seperate suite so that you had your own kitchen, living area, and bedroom. With apartment building airbnb's it would more likely be a separate apartment, but again, host sometimes owns the building or nearby.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709297]I think the pleasure-cost ratio is higher for the mongering style that you are best at. Unless you are equally good at both, you can't draw this conclusion because you don't have the experience.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Some guys just don't know any better. I think a monger should try different methods / ways of mongering or different venues before making any conclusions. Nothing wrong with fucking cheap el centro SW, as long as you are happy with it. I have zero interest in fucking SW, be it El Centro or Lleras or Casa girls because I don't get much pleasure doing this. I prefer a different level of service and good chemistry, that would make my experience memorable.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2709353]Most people go to work to get money to help with bills. You don't want them to feel used for sex, but you want them to feel like prostitutes by paying them?[/QUOTE]Is you. Projection, projection, and projection. A psychological defense mechanism. Probably the most common one I see on this board.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2709412]Exactly. Some guys just don't know any better. I think a monger should try different methods / ways of mongering or different venues before making any conclusions. Nothing wrong with fucking cheap el centro SW, as long as you are happy with it. I have zero interest in fucking SW, be it El Centro or Lleras or Casa girls because I don't get much pleasure doing this. I prefer a different level of service and good chemistry, that would make my experience memorable.[/QUOTE]And if you want "chemistry" that's for sale too. Reminds me of a line from movie when a hooker says, "If I cum that will be $50 extra," though that one wasn't concerned with blowing up the client's fantasy. LOL.

Is the general consensus that La Isla has the hottest girls?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2709412]Exactly. Some guys just don't know any better. I think a monger should try different methods / ways of mongering or different venues before making any conclusions. Nothing wrong with fucking cheap el centro SW, as long as you are happy with it. I have zero interest in fucking SW, be it El Centro or Lleras or Casa girls because I don't get much pleasure doing this. I prefer a different level of service and good chemistry, that would make my experience memorable.[/QUOTE]I agree!

I'm new to Colombia forum but have mongered extensively in US, Thailand and Mexico.

I recently sessioned with a twitter girl in Mexico. When she arrived I realized she was an SW with a twitter account. That sucked for me.

So last 3 trips to Mexico I see the same girl. An agency girl who gave me her whatsapp so we bypass the agency and she gets to take home more $$ Our sessions are 5 hours long. Sometimes we go to dinner. Sometimes we just lay naked in bed listening to music. Every time we get sexy time. BBFS.

Its a fantastic GFE experience that I really need since I'm single and have a stressful job. She has a wonderful personality. Gentle soul. Beautiful face and body.

Last month I made my first ever trip to Columbia (Cartagena), I was able to hookup with a girl from Medellin at 500 K per day on SA, asked her to bring a friend along and booked flight tickets for them. Had a great weekend! Checked of a a lot of to do things on that trip.

Next month I am headed to Medellin and have 4 girls lined up on SA all around 400 K to 500 K per day, Including the one I met last trip in Cartagena. The age gap is 30+ years, Can I book a hotel for 5 of US and provide their names during check-in?, Any recommendations for a hotel / airbnb that will be guest friendly and has a laptop size safe and a nice pool / hot tub. My budget is 250 K per night for the hotel / airbnb.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2709374]The airline is not going to let you board the plane with a one way ticket. You will need to show "proof of onward travel. "[/QUOTE]True, but not always true, I've done it many many times taking a chance and never a jam up never, Jamaica, Medellin, Thailand, Philippines to name a few, I however heard what your saying to be true, theirs a quick way to get a ticket at airport if your given a hard time, book it just to show and then cancel immediately or within 24 hours with zero penalty! I'm always waiting for it to happen but never has!!

[QUOTE=Orion4;2709407]I do recall having access to mac addresses, but I could remember incorrectly. I remember some other platforms that does mac address bans, so it seems accessible, but that's not really my area.

Also, FB denied my appeal. Idk why. I just made a new account.[/QUOTE]If you are on Wi-Fi, your router will use the same public IP for everyone connecting from your home. It is reasonable to think that FB traces and store this info. If you access from your smartphone, and disable Wi-Fi, then your communicated IP is the one dynamically assigned by your mobile provider, and it is different from the previous.

Finally, do not forget about cookies. They are small files created by your browser following requests from the web page (FB). Those files can contain many info as well as the username you used in the previous connections. There is a reason why cookies are under the lens of privacy protection.

Do not use shared PC with other in your family, and if you do, remember to clear History and cookies. Even if you do that, as long as you all share the same IP, someone else in your home could receive ads about sex toys, Viagra and other funny things.

For an higher privacy when workin at your home PC, enable you phone Personal Hot Spot, and connect your PC to it when you do not want to share your home IP, end, once finished, remember to disable the hot spot, delete browser history and cookies.

Life is easier for folks living alone.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2709353]Most people go to work to get money to help with bills. You don't want them to feel used for sex, but you want them to feel like prostitutes by paying them?[/QUOTE]Guys don't want to be clients so they get fantasies going while trying to convince themselves and the forum of the same.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2709306]But it's not that simple. I used to give her tussi "to go" regularly when she left here as well as recently. And others. But it got ridiculous. 2/3 of what I had was going out the door. So then I made a new rule, no more free pink shit for anyone. You can do as much as you want while you are here but none of it leaves the room. But that changed again because Scarlet was the biggest single user in my line up (she loves it), and Number Two on my List, so for Scarlet only (and Catgirl on the rare occasion that I see her), I was still letting her go home with a punto or less. At times. But she has also scared me before with the state of mind she was in when she left. One time she fell down the stairs. Since this stuff was the strongest we ever had I had already told her "no" that night.

Her mom Whassap'd me for hours tonight. I can't believe Scarlet told her mom it was over tussi, I am sure she substituted "money" for tussi for what was stolen. Anywho, both mom and Scarlet are insisting that it was all the friend's doing, and that Scarlet had nothing to do with it. I had met the friend before but didn't really know her, sexed her at Scarlet's apartment during one of our fiestas when I first arrived, but never had her over to my hotel room before. And of course I was high as a kite during the entire ordeal..[/QUOTE]It's worth noting that you are getting everything you want, which a bunch of high drama with the potential to turn ugly, along with the added exhibitionist effect of living it all out in front of an audience of online mongers. No one can say you aren't consistent. This is also an advertisement as to why many of us do casas and strip clubs, hit it and go and skip the drama, while keeping our online review posts concise and practical. Suerte.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2709480]Is the general consensus that La Isla has the hottest girls?[/QUOTE]Yes and also the most expensive.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2709480]Is the general consensus that La Isla has the hottest girls?[/QUOTE]No. At least that's not what I've experienced. As far as strip clubs go, La Isla is the best, most comfortable, best service (from waitstaff). However, on any given night you might find the hottest girls at Barra Executiva, Fase Dos, Grill Nueva or Luna Lunera.

Personally, I consider the strip clubs to be a poor option for solo mongering. You're paying double or more for casa service in, at best, casa facilities. Get 3 or 4 guys, split a bottle and La Isla is a good time.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709503]True, but not always true, I've done it many many times taking a chance and never a jam up never, Jamaica, Medellin, Thailand, Philippines to name a few, I however heard what your saying to be true, theirs a quick way to get a ticket at airport if your given a hard time, book it just to show and then cancel immediately or within 24 hours with zero penalty! I'm always waiting for it to happen but never has!![/QUOTE]Don't know how recent your experience is, but I have been asked at least the last seven or eight times. Every single time for a couple of years now. And only if you book from the US do you have 24 hour cancellation rights. Normally sites like [URL]onewayfly.com[/URL] are cheaper than say a bus ticket out of the country, and for sure from a place like MDE. So that's what I would do, about $20 US worth of insurance. You will (hopefully) have better things to do the morning after your arrival than remember to cancel an actual ticket within 24 hours.

I won't give cash to every non-pro. It just depends. It works for me and none of them have ever seemed insulted. Perhaps we are just dealing with different groups of girls. For example, I saw a non-pro who cleans apartments. I did not even attempt sex on the first date. I paid her taxis and a little money (20 mil) for the babysitter. I gave her 100 mil, so the difference between what I gave her and her costs were not much. I doubt she felt bad about it. And she's seeing me again, so I guess it didn't turn her off. But all girls are not the same.

We cannot all be like Mr E who must have a great personality, great body, charm, and wit such that girls are falling over him to fuck him for free. But even if I was, I would probably still give them at least a little money....as opposed to counting out exact change.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2709353]Most people go to work to get money to help with bills. You don't want them to feel used for sex, but you want them to feel like prostitutes by paying them?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MahaSiddha;2709292]GwynPlaine. Is this $18/ night studio AirBnB?[/QUOTE]Yes. Bit east of Lorena on the map.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2709374]The airline is not going to let you board the plane with a one way ticket. You will need to show "proof of onward travel.[/QUOTE]I'll be fine I've done it before and I'll bring proof of funds. If not I'll buy a real ticket or a temporary return ticket.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709503]True, but not always true, I've done it many many times taking a chance and never a jam up never...[/QUOTE]It's harder now because you can't pass the self service kiosk without it.

Jaja, no not me. I was banging someone else's Sugar Baby this afternoon, unexpectedly, at the last minute. The same chica who I was with on my last night, at the end of my last trip. Mini-Vennie. Remember, when she was sick with fever, chills, swollen elbow from an infected wasp sting? Not exactly the most romantic of nights but we pulled it off, and my wingman packed and poured me into a taxi the next morning. Without him, I would've missed my flight.

The plot thickens. Mini-Vennie (she weighs maybe 37 kg, looked smaller to me this time) was how I met Freckle, in what I was then calling "Puta Hotel" across from The Nutti on Bolivar. There are hotels like this in every city in the world where there are sex workers. A place where the girls go to live and congregate after a day's work but not usually to turn tricks. I've been to this hotel about six times now and the only other guy I have ever seen there was another girl's younger brother.

This trip, Mini-Vennie was trying to play me like I did her wrong for us not picking up where we left off when I returned since she was my last skin to skin before I left Medellin a few months ago. But Freckle was the one who burned up my Whassap while I was back in the USA, so when I landed in Medellin this time, I made a bee-line for Freckle, in a different hotel a few blocks deeper into the belly of the beast. I posted about that in the beginning of this trip. Supposedly Freckle and Mini-Vennie had a falling-out over this but I think that was mainly manufactured drama. Although Freckle was cock-blocking me as recently as yesterday telling me that Mini-Vennie was in Ecuador, when she was here all along.

Fast forward to today, sitting in my hotel room, after two unexpected and unscheduled chicas from earlier today, one who I picked up at the ATM in the lobby (yes, I already knew her, jaja) and she didn't charge me. The first fuck of the day before her was a girl who is on my List but had moved over an hour away from El Centro. She messaged me to let me know she was back in the neighborhood, "two blocks away" from The Nutti, where I am at now. I told her to come on over, that was around 10 AM this morning. She looked like shit, oily hair, zero make-up, old clothes, and could've used a bath. I wasn't sure where her didn't-give-a-fuck attitude was coming from, but I thought I was doing her at least a little favor by letting her come over at the last minute for a session to get some money.

I almost told her to jump in the shower but instead I decided to pay her back, like so. I know she is a cum hater, but she still gives nice blow jobs, she just won't allow cum in her mouth, or to even touch her, etc. So I let her edge me with a blowjob on my side then I jerked off while her face was was still next to my crotch, but I was pointing my cock away from her to get her guard down. Then, at the last second, I got her square in the face with the first good shot. Jajajaja. She was up like lightening off the bed, yelling at me, running into the bathroom to wash her face. I only got her with the first wad, but as we all know, the first one is usually the best one, jeje. I used that old worn-out line on her, that is was "good for her skin", but she was pissed, jajajajaa.

Anywho, that afternoon, Mini-Vennie messages me that she is across the street, back at the original hotel where I saw her the last day of my last trip. WTF? She told me before she had her own apartment in Laureles. I was stoked to see her, she's hawter than fuck, so I grabbed by supplies and made the five minute walk. I had to pay $20 mil COP to get a room, and we spent half an hour catching up. She has a nicely equipped tiny studio apartment in Laureles, she showed me all her fotos. Nice view, TV, refridge, dual hot-plate, no stove, and a microwave. Nice bath. She told me she found a Sugar Daddy in the states to pay the bills, and that she wasn't working Ground Zero anymore. I've gone apartment hunting in Laureles before, and her little place I am sure could be had for under 1.2 million COP or a little over $300 USD per month. I asked her if she had money in the bank and was she happy and she said yes to both. Was she bored? She said a little. I asked her what she wanted to do at that moment and she said fuck, with condom, no money. We did, I gave her one orgasm with my tongue and gave her a cincuenta note from the heart.

I told her my room at The Nutti was more comfortable with music and I just bought some disco lights earlier in the day, and I hope she would spend the night soon. She said something unrelated about not having anything nice to wear and then it dawned on me she did not want to take the chance to be recognized and have it get back to her Sugar Daddy. But we both want to see each other again. She and Freckle made it onto my List at the very end of my last trip. I thought Mini-Vennie was going to get dropped, but now I have no problem fucking a hawt chica happy on some other dude's dime.

Freckle is supposed to return tonight. An easy four-girl day, and I woke up with zero plans. I report the good and the bad. Today was a good day.

Photos: Cleavage is the chica from the ATM. Disco Bombillo I had to walk kilometers to eventually find one, from the Nutti all the way down to Park of Lights into the Grand Plaza, I saw one of these lights in a chica's apartment and had to have one for my hotel room. Foto of pair is the alleged perps from the other night. Last two fotos of cum hater chica.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2709532]We cannot all be like Mr E who must have a great personality, great body, charm, and wit such that girls are falling over him to fuck him for free. But even if I was, I would probably still give them at least a little money....as opposed to counting out exact change.[/QUOTE]I can tell you that if I was perfect like Mr. E I would not have time to post 13,000 on a monger board. Just can not figure out why a guy that is so sought after by so many girls would be advising all of us who are chasing the girls. Charity work to help us little minions? No, that can not be it.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709547]It's harder now because you can't pass the self service kiosk without it.[/QUOTE]Jet blue to Medellin last month, check in night before online, straight to even more speed security line, on plane. No problem! One way ticket! However jet blue while booking flight had a pop up saying something to the fact of at one point I might have to show return ticket I hit ok and never looked back! Have fun stay safe bud!

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2709532]I won't give cash to every non-pro. It just depends. It works for me and none of them have ever seemed insulted. Perhaps we are just dealing with different groups of girls. For example, I saw a non-pro who cleans apartments. I did not even attempt sex on the first date. I paid her taxis and a little money (20 mil) for the babysitter. I gave her 100 mil, so the difference between what I gave her and her costs were not much. I doubt she felt bad about it. And she's seeing me again, so I guess it didn't turn her off.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2709353]Most people go to work to get money to help with bills. You don't want them to feel used for sex, but you want them to feel like prostitutes by paying them?[/QUOTE]All's I basically want is a sloppy deep throat gagging BBBJ eg. ([URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f1b354ee43ba[/URL]) you know where all the fluids stay on your cock and in her mouth and not spit out and wasted on the floor and all at bargain prices. Additionally, some CIP, CIM, DATY. You know all the things and reasons most of us use to come here for that you usually can't get in normal relationships. If I want "Days of our Life" I'll stay home. Problem is I never really lose site of who or what its about. Maybe I should work on my imagination. Jejejejeje.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2709602]All's I basically want is a sloppy deep throat gagging BBBJ eg. ([URL]https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f1b354ee43ba[/URL]) you know where all the fluids stay on your cock and in her mouth and not spit out and wasted on the floor and all at bargain prices. Additionally, some CIP, CIM, DATY. You know all the things and reasons most of us use to come here for that you usually can't get in normal relationships. If I want "Days of our Life" I'll stay home. Problem is I never really lose site of who or what its about. P.S. Maybe I should work on my imagination. Jejejejeje.[/QUOTE]With a couple of minor exceptions, all the things you say you can't get in normal relations, have all been part of my normal relationships. Except for gagging that is. I've just never been turned on by someone almost vomiting.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2709233]My usual cellular provider will not ship a SIM card or a phone to me here in Colombia. One thing I have not seen mentioned here is the newer phones with eSIM cards preinstalled, no physical chip required. Only certain phones have them but that seems like the wave of the future to me. Anyone using a phone with eSIM?[/QUOTE]I'm using a phone with eSIM capabilities. It's mostly good, provided your provider has their shit together. The good is that you can get a replacement eSIM easily and get it onto your new phone via an e-mail or QR code. The biggest downside is you can't swap phones very easily.

I've got an eSIM from my local provider installed on my phone. I use the physical slot for whatever country I'm travelling to.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2709488]My budget is 250 K per night for the hotel / airbnb.[/QUOTE]Sorry 250 USD per night.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2709532]I won't give cash to every non-pro. It just depends.

We cannot all be like Mr E who must have a great personality, great body, charm, and wit such that girls are falling over him to fuck him for free. But even if I was, I would probably still give them at least a little money....as opposed to counting out exact change.[/QUOTE]Amazing. Did you not at first say these chicks were fucking you for free? So you must have the same great personality, great body, charm, and wit as I do. But it seems your lack of self-efficacy sometimes gets in the way because you at times think surely these chicks could not want to be with me on the sole basis that I am me. Or this chick really was not what I was expecting or hoping her to be. Then in true Westerner fashion you decide that your money will make amends to a chick for being with you when you thought you were not worthy or in an effort to "buy the chick off" thereby resolving you of your admitted guilt.

That is like a burglar breaking into houses stealing and leaving a thank you note with a smiley face. To the burglar, the note makes the homeowner feel better about being violated and stolen from and absolves the burglar of his crimes of robbing houses. How does the person doing the wrong get to decide the punishment for a crime they themselves committed? How do you get to decide that money makes up for the fact that you (by your own admission) used these women for sex?

Currently living in Sabaneta, love the local vibes, but I am a tall gringo which draws unwanted attentions, especially when I am with a paisa chick. Would love to move to Manila neihborhood, can anyone recommmend a hotel (with kitchen) or airbnb? Thanks.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2709617]I'm using a phone with eSIM capabilities. It's mostly good, provided your provider has their shit together. The good is that you can get a replacement eSIM easily and get it onto your new phone via an e-mail or QR code. The biggest downside is you can't swap phones very easily.

I've got an eSIM from my local provider installed on my phone. I use the physical slot for whatever country I'm travelling to.[/QUOTE]Could you please elaborate a bit more about "can't swap phones very easily"?

My provider is recommending a Google Phone and I have my eyes on a Pixel 6, with the eSIM and a physical slot for travel, as is yours. Sounds ideal to me but I have never tried it. I usually avoid the newest model phones, I like the ones that have been out a year or two with the bugs worked out, and a price drop. And the Pixel 6 model is what elevated Google from a joke in the phone market to something worth considering.

After the 1st round of elections, the COP has become stronger. How do you think Sunday's election will affect the course? Who has a reasoned opinion on this?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709547]It's harder now because you can't pass the self service kiosk without it.[/QUOTE]Please stop with false statements like "you can't" and telling people stuff that not true, again I've done it very recently as many many other people have, thanks for the site for one way tickets but not for me, but good to know about bud, not sure way they ask some people and not others for proof! Sounds like you been flagged or something, but definitely not impossible and the stopping by front gate is a must is wrong!

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709776]Please stop with false statements like "you can't" and telling people stuff that not true, again I've done it very recently as many many other people have, thanks for the site for one way tickets but not for me, but good to know about bud, not sure way they ask some people and not others for proof! Sounds like you been flagged or something, but definitely not impossible and the stopping by front gate is a must is wrong![/QUOTE]I said it is harder not impossible because more and more airlines direct you to self service kiosk. Is this not true?

Because self service kiosk is automated so there is no way to get around it if it is programmed to ask for onward ticket. That is the condition of the [B]can't[/B]. Is this not true? Please share if you know a way to get around it when you have to use it.

Whether you will be asked for onward ticket or not is not absolute. Sometime they do, sometimes they don't. Everything I said here is from personal experience. Like you also speak from personal experience but I do not attack you because your experience is different.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2709772]Could you please elaborate a bit more about "can't swap phones very easily"?

My provider is recommending a Google Phone and I have my eyes on a Pixel 6, with the eSIM and a physical slot for travel, as is yours. Sounds ideal to me but I have never tried it. I usually avoid the newest model phones, I like the ones that have been out a year or two with the bugs worked out, and a price drop. And the Pixel 6 model is what elevated Google from a joke in the phone market to something worth considering.[/QUOTE]The last time I was in Medellin I used a Pixel 4 that is also eSIM compatible and it went smoothly. I'm using the Pixel 6 now and am very happy with it. To swap eSIMs from my Pixel 4 to my Pixel 6, my provider had to issue a new eSIM. For whatever reason (maybe because they're a MVNO), they had difficulties and it took over a week for them to do so. They sent the e-mail with the new eSIM without warning, in the middle of the day, when I only had my old Pixel 4 with me. When they issue the new one, the old one gets disabled right away. So I was without a phone until I got home and was able to set up the Pixel 6.

As I understand it, if I want to a different phone, I need to get them to issue a new eSIM (my carrier charges a nominal charge for multiple eSIM swaps in a calendar year). So if you change phones rarely, like less than once a year, an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you need a replacement SIM internationally (like when your phone gets stolen), an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you want to use a Google phone during the week, an iPhone on the weekends, and a burner phone when you venture into bad areas, an eSIM is a terrible idea.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2709802]I said it is harder not impossible because more and more airlines direct you to self service kiosk. Is this not true?

Because self service kiosk is automated so there is no way to get around it if it is programmed to ask for onward ticket. That is the condition of the [B]can't[/B]. Is this not true? Please share if you know a way to get around it when you have to use it.

Whether you will be asked for onward ticket or not is not absolute. Sometime they do, sometimes they don't. Everything I said here is from personal experience. Like you also speak from personal experience but I do not attack you because your experience is different.[/QUOTE]That's where we're losing each other I haven't been to a check in kiosk in over 10 -15 years, never never ever I always always check in online always the night before! In fact now I think about it besides checking in for my business class tickets Emirates to Bkk I haven't been in a line for check in counter in lots and lots of years! Sorry if you feel I attack you but was just trying to be clear, some of the words you use make it sound like it's impossible, stay safe have fun bud!

[QUOTE=L00PY;2709806]The last time I was in Medellin I used a Pixel 4 that is also eSIM compatible and it went smoothly. I'm using the Pixel 6 now and am very happy with it. To swap eSIMs from my Pixel 4 to my Pixel 6, my provider had to issue a new eSIM. For whatever reason (maybe because they're a MVNO), they had difficulties and it took over a week for them to do so. They sent the e-mail with the new eSIM without warning, in the middle of the day, when I only had my old Pixel 4 with me. When they issue the new one, the old one gets disabled right away. So I was without a phone until I got home and was able to set up the Pixel 6.

As I understand it, if I want to a different phone, I need to get them to issue a new eSIM (my carrier charges a nominal charge for multiple eSIM swaps in a calendar year). So if you change phones rarely, like less than once a year, an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you need a replacement SIM internationally (like when your phone gets stolen), an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you want to use a Google phone during the week, an iPhone on the weekends, and a burner phone when you venture into bad areas, an eSIM is a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]Now I don't feel so stupid for not getting it the first time, jeje. This will be my last question, I hope. I still don't get your last sentence. I think you were making an extreme example, but why wouldn't I still want to use a Pixel phone as my primary and carry a burner phone when I am venturing into bad areas outside of the country? Thanks again.

Assuming you are willing to use something other than a Pixel or an iPhone, there is an easier way. A dual SIM (two physical SIM cards), or a single SIM phone that is network unlocked and a spare new SIM card from your home carrier will allow you to remotely move your service to any other network unlocked phone while you are in Colombia. As with any phone used for the first time with a Colombia SIM card, you will have to register the new phone within 30 to 90 days of the date you begin to use it. I'm happy to respond to questions about what could make it more difficult than it sounds.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2709806]The last time I was in Medellin I used a Pixel 4 that is also eSIM compatible and it went smoothly. I'm using the Pixel 6 now and am very happy with it. To swap eSIMs from my Pixel 4 to my Pixel 6, my provider had to issue a new eSIM. For whatever reason (maybe because they're a MVNO), they had difficulties and it took over a week for them to do so. They sent the e-mail with the new eSIM without warning, in the middle of the day, when I only had my old Pixel 4 with me. When they issue the new one, the old one gets disabled right away. So I was without a phone until I got home and was able to set up the Pixel 6.

As I understand it, if I want to a different phone, I need to get them to issue a new eSIM (my carrier charges a nominal charge for multiple eSIM swaps in a calendar year). So if you change phones rarely, like less than once a year, an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you need a replacement SIM internationally (like when your phone gets stolen), an eSIM makes a lot of sense. If you want to use a Google phone during the week, an iPhone on the weekends, and a burner phone when you venture into bad areas, an eSIM is a terrible idea.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709776]Please stop with false statements like "you can't" and telling people stuff that not true, again I've done it very recently as many many other people have, thanks for the site for one way tickets but not for me, but good to know about bud, not sure way they ask some people and not others for proof! Sounds like you been flagged or something, but definitely not impossible and the stopping by front gate is a must is wrong![/QUOTE][URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Colombia.html[/URL]

"You may be denied entry to Colombia if you do not have a return ticket. ".

But do what you want.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2709687]Sorry 250 USD per night.[/QUOTE]Are you crazy?

My opinion is it is very difficult to predict how the peso and US dollar will interact post election. The fact is the peso has not strengthened very much since it was at 4100+ during the days before the first round vote (3910 today). The conventional wisdom is the peso will strengthen with a Rodolfo Hernandez win and weaken with a Gustavo Petro win. But again, it is very difficult to predict. We will soon know.

[QUOTE=Hossi36;2709775]After the 1st round of elections, the COP has become stronger. How do you think Sunday's election will affect the course? Who has a reasoned opinion on this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2709856][URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Colombia.html[/URL]
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"You may be denied entry to Colombia if you do not have a return ticket. ".

But do what you want.[/QUOTE]There have been times where I have been asked for onward ticket and there have been times when they haven't asked to see it at all. In fact it's kind of hit and miss and no way of knowing when they will ask for it or not. P.S.: since 2020 I've only been using Wingo to fly to Colombia and back. Usually thru Cancn or CDMX.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2709892]There have been times where I have been asked for onward ticket and there have been times when they haven't asked to see it at all. In fact it's kind of hit and miss and no way of knowing when they will ask for it or not. P.S.: since 2020 I've only been using Wingo to fly to Colombia and back. Usually thru Cancn or CDMX.[/QUOTE]Yeah, for me, it is like one in two that I am asked when I book two one way tickets. I usually have my other one way booked in advance, but if I wanted an unspecified date to return, I would book a ticket on Expedia or Spirit and cancel it. I think they both allow refunds if you cancel within 24 hours.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2708153]Learn what?

Lastly, you should know that beauty and sexual satisfaction are entirely subjective. If someone is your hero because they claim to have the most beautiful woman and the best sex, then you should probably just give up women entirely. If Elvis is enjoying himself or is completely miserable it doesn't matter, except to him.[/QUOTE]LOL. You think Don has not had great sex with a hottie before? Where did you come up with that? Clearly, you have no clue why there was the hero comment.

Say Don has a 10 he meets and they have great sex. She wants to be serious, and he has visions of them driving off into the sunset. If he asked for my advice, this is what I would tell him.

Every time a person who does not know you two and sees you two together, they are going to think she is a working girl out for money and citizenship, so she had better be a strong woman to deal with that.

Almost every guy is going to look at her and you and think to himself, "Why are you with him when you can be with me?" And some of these same guys are going to act on it, and all these guys are going to want your relationship to fail so they have a crack at her.

There are only so many 10's, and the USA has much more competition than Colombia. Is your girl going to stay with you when an offer of a limo, yacht, or private jet comes around? Because that is going to happen.

Then there are the "experts" on Colombia. You are in the USA, and she is in Colombia. Is there any guy here who thinks she is going to be loyal when you are away? Even if she says she is going to be true to you, are you really going to believe her? You are going to have these feelings whether they are true or not, and you have to be really secure to deal with that.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2709892]There have been times where I have been asked for onward ticket and there have been times when they haven't asked to see it at all. In fact it's kind of hit and miss and no way of knowing when they will ask for it or not. P.S.: since 2020 I've only been using Wingo to fly to Colombia and back. Usually thru Cancn or CDMX.[/QUOTE]I think I finally figured it out, he only flys spirit, and has to check in at kiosk if not it's another 5 dollars to check in online, he keeps going in different directions on beginning of topic, I'm done! Thanks for agreeing bud, I tried.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2709856][URL]https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Colombia.html[/URL]

"You may be denied entry to Colombia if you do not have a return ticket. ".

But do what you want.[/QUOTE]Now it maybe, from you can't, I'm done trying to explain to you, have fun safe travels.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2709817]That's where we're losing each other I haven't been to a check in kiosk in over 10 -15 years, never never ever I always always check in online always the night before! In fact now I think about it besides checking in for my business class tickets Emirates to Bkk I haven't been in a line for check in counter in lots and lots of years! Sorry if you feel I attack you but was just trying to be clear, some of the words you use make it sound like it's impossible, stay safe have fun bud![/QUOTE]Interesting, my last two flights into Colombia from LAX I had business class seats on COPA and AVIANCA, and tried to print boarding passes beforehand, and was not able to, and was required to go to the counter, and the first thing they asked for was to see that I had completed the Colombian CheckMig form. I don't know how other airlines flying into Colombia handle this, but seems as though these airlines were trying to avoid delays at the boarding gates, making sure that all of the travelers documents are in order before getting to the boarding gate with their boarding passes stamped "Doc's OK" on them, at least that has been my experience.

As far as the return ticket, or exit ticket being mentioned as a requirement for flying into Colombia, I know COPA has always been very strict about this, but don't remember AVIANCA asking every time I have flown with them.

And I have never heard on this board of anyone arriving in Colombia who didn't have a an exit ticket being asked by immigration about this. I suppose since it is a requirement that the airlines must check for before allowing someone to board, that immigration doesn't even bother checking or confirming.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710064]Interesting, my last two flights into Colombia from LAX I had business class seats on COPA and AVIANCA, and tried to print boarding passes beforehand, and was not able to, and was required to go to the counter, and the first thing they asked for was to see that I had completed the Colombian CheckMig form. I don't know how other airlines flying into Colombia handle this, but seems as though these airlines were trying to avoid delays at the boarding gates, making sure that all of the travelers documents are in order before getting to the boarding gate with their boarding passes stamped "Doc's OK" on them, at least that has been my experience.

As far as the return ticket, or exit ticket being mentioned as a requirement for flying into Colombia, I know COPA has always been very strict about this, but don't remember AVIANCA asking every time I have flown with them.

And I have never heard on this board of anyone arriving in Colombia who didn't have a an exit ticket being asked by immigration about this. I suppose since it is a requirement that the airlines must check for before allowing someone to board, that immigration doesn't even bother checking or confirming.[/QUOTE]I have never had an issue or been asked to show a return trip ticket. I am a little surprised no one is discussing the underlying issue. Basically, the destination country doesn't want to get stuck with a ne'er do well or malcontent or indigent person who can't pay his own way out. So maybe if you're the one getting stopped you should take it personally, jajajajjajaaaa because there is probably some profiling going on there. JK, or am I?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710094]I have never had an issue or been asked to show a return trip ticket. I am a little surprised no one is discussing the underlying issue. Basically, the destination country doesn't want to get stuck with a ne'er do well or malcontent or indigent person who can't pay his own way out. So maybe if you're the one getting stopped you should take it personally, jajajajjajaaaa because there is probably some profiling going on there. JK, or am I?[/QUOTE]

If this is not an issue then why there are outlets that sell fake tickets?

When I fly to Asia, I use Thailand as my base. For me, usually the round trip ticket is about the same price as one way ticket so I always buy round trip for a trip that may last many months. I will then buy round trip ticket departing from BKK to other countries. When I enter BKK again, it is always on the return leg so it is the same as one way. I will make trips like this multiple times during one trip to Asia. I have been asked by airline and by custom about my onward ticket because it is not on the same ticket in their system. I don't keep track how many times but I have been asked.

This is just my experience so please don't generalize it to think I disagree with you or you will be asked to show onward ticket. I personally will buy one way ticket when it makes sense but will be prepared to purchase onward ticket when required.

The last ticket I bought to MDE is one way ticket.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2710122]If this is not an issue then why there are outlets that sell fake tickets?

When I fly to Asia, I use Thailand as my base. For me, usually the round trip ticket is about the same price as one way ticket so I always buy round trip for a trip that may last many months. I will then buy round trip ticket departing from BKK to other countries. When I enter BKK again, it is always on the return leg so it is the same as one way. I will make trips like this multiple times during one trip to Asia. I have been asked by airline and by custom about my onward ticket because it is not on the same ticket in their system. I don't keep track how many times but I have been asked.

This is just my experience so please don't generalize it to think I disagree with you or you will be asked to show onward ticket. I personally will buy one way ticket when it makes sense but will be prepared to purchase onward ticket when required.

The last ticket I bought to MDE is one way ticket.[/QUOTE]I was trying to make light of the issue by implying if they don't like the way you look, you have to have a return ticket. Bad joke. I guess there's a market for the fake tickets, and so far I am not their target customer, jaja.

My take on it was that there appears to be a varying degree of enforcement for the "round-trip ticket requirement" based on the country of destination and the airline.

I get a pop-up every time when I book my one-way ticket to Colombia saying that I can be refused entry, and I have ignored it, and so far so good. Of course, that is the same thing the fella said after he jumped from the top of a skyscraper on his way down, the people on the 69th floor overheard him saying the same thing, "So far, so good". Jajajjajajajjaaa.

As several have suggested, one work around would be to get out your smart phone in real time, book a return ticket, and then cancel it within 24 hours, or use the fake ticket service you mentioned, which fortunately I have never had to do, but now I am probably jinxed.

I am not suggesting, nor do I rarely, that one way of doing something is better than another, unless the harm or safety of self and others comes into play.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710094]I have never had an issue or been asked to show a return trip ticket. I am a little surprised no one is discussing the underlying issue. Basically, the destination country doesn't want to get stuck with a ne'er do well or malcontent or indigent person who can't pay his own way out. So maybe if you're the one getting stopped you should take it personally, jajajajjajaaaa because there is probably some profiling going on there. JK, or am I?[/QUOTE]One of these days you will be asked to show proof of an exit ticket out of Colombia, and as evidenced by the posts on this, it is totally hit or miss whether the airline asks for proof of exit, unless of course you have purchased a round trip ticket with the airline your flying on, hence they are not going to ask.

I will be there next week and was planning to hit up Botero girls exclusively as they treated me so well when I went back in November 2021.

But I'm reading about these rainstorms going on.

When you pull a girl from El Centro to take to a short-time motel, do you normally take a shower at the start of the session (or both at the start and the end)? If so, do you shower first or does the girl shower first? Do you bring your clothes with you into the bathroom to make sure the girl doesn't steal from you while you are in the shower? Does the time in the shower count as part of your time for the session? Is it the same way in the casas?

So far, I've only tried Santa Fe in Bogota and there were no showers in the rooms, but a lot of reports in this thread mention taking a shower.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2710200]So far, I've only tried Santa Fe in Bogota and there were no showers in the rooms, but a lot of reports in this thread mention taking a shower.[/QUOTE]No showers in rooms above the clubs. Small toilet and sink with mirror only.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2710200]When you pull a girl from El Centro to take to a short-time motel, do you normally take a shower at the start of the session (or both at the start and the end)? If so, do you shower first or does the girl shower first? Do you bring your clothes with you into the bathroom to make sure the girl doesn't steal from you while you are in the shower? Does the time in the shower count as part of your time for the session? Is it the same way in the casas?

So far, I've only tried Santa Fe in Bogota and there were no showers in the rooms, but a lot of reports in this thread mention taking a shower.[/QUOTE]I bet you are going to get a wide range of answers Here's what I do. Adapt to each session. Most of the girls are going to surprise you with their good hygiene. And if you booked the standard 30 minutes, how much time do you want to burn up waiting for them to shower? Some chicas will intentionally stall just to use up time on the clock.

Depends on what you are going do to her. If you are going to fuck her with a condom that a quick look and sniff may be all that is required. If you plan on eating her ass, then maybe soap and water is a good idea. Your call. I had a chica the other day tell me she was just coming on her period in the past few hours. I used that as an excuse to get in the shower with her and explore her vajayjay with two fingers as deep as I could. No visible blood or smell, so that set the tone for the rest of the session. If I was in a love motel with a short time girl I would expect to tip for that, probably 20 mil COP.

For sure, don't ever let your belonging out of your sight for one second. Sometimes I will shower alone at the end after the girl has left the room.

You can be meticulously clean and have just showered and some chicas will still insist on you getting a shower first before say, a bareback blowjob. That is one reason I carry panitos, or prepackaged moist towelettes, a quick wipe down with those I have found satisfies the vast majority of the girls, instead of a shower.

Plus, sometimes all that is needed is a quick swipe of the cracks and crevices of her poontang with a panito. Even is she is clean, she may have been standing out in the sun for a few hours so that depends on your individual tolerance of the natural pussy funk factor. I actually prefer the smell of a healthy clean pussy over soap and perfume.

Us and them, it's outdoor versus indoor plumbing. We have an object that sticks out that is easy to clean. They have a potential space that is naturally dark and moist, and grows normal flora and sometimes other shit we don't need.

Plus, any and all variations of above.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710165]One of these days you will be asked to show proof of an exit ticket out of Colombia, and as evidenced by the posts on this, it is totally hit or miss whether the airline asks for proof of exit, unless of course you have purchased a round trip ticket with the airline your flying on, hence they are not going to ask.[/QUOTE]I'm going to Medellin the 24th of June. I don't know when I'm coming back if at all LOL so what I'm doing to avoid the potential hassle is use [URL]https://bestonwardticket.com/[/URL].

It's less than 20 dollars. You put in your information and you get the ticket at a scheduled time before the flight to your email. Maybe 48 hours before. The ticket expires after 48 hours I think. If they ask you, you just show them this ticket and say you'll leave when the ticket says. After 48 hours the ticket is doesn't work anymore. But you made it through customs so that's all that matters.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2709858]Are you crazy?[/QUOTE]Why? My budget if 250 $ for the room, 500 $ for 4 SA girls, and 250 $ to 500 $ for other expenses per day. Is there a problem? Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?

I just arrived in Medellin yesterday and am looking for some good casas. Any recommendations for places in Laureles or Centro that are worth visiting. I definitely have a preference for the skinny chicks.

You can look up weather trends, history, and real time conditions on the Internet. Assume it may rain during your visit. Can any of us help with what you may want to do while you are waiting for the sun to come out?

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2710199]I will be there next week and was planning to hit up Botero girls exclusively as they treated me so well when I went back in November 2021.

But I'm reading about these rainstorms going on.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2709862]My opinion is it is very difficult to predict how the peso and US dollar will interact post election. The fact is the peso has not strengthened very much since it was at 4100+ during the days before the first round vote (3910 today). The conventional wisdom is the peso will strengthen with a Rodolfo Hernandez win and weaken with a Gustavo Petro win. But again, it is very difficult to predict. We will soon know.[/QUOTE]I have penciled in a 3600-4300 range based on the outcomes you said. Either way it's going to move significantly Monday is my prediction.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710227]Why? My budget if 250 $ for the room, 500 $ for 4 SA girls, and 250 $ to 500 $ for other expenses per day. Is there a problem? Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?[/QUOTE]You can get 5 rooms a night for you and 4 SA girls with your budget. I would just rent a whole floor at San Peter or somewhere similar and still has money left.

Or you can just check the price online to get your answer since there is such a wide range..

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710211]

Us and them, it's outdoor versus indoor plumbing. We have an object that sticks out that is easy to clean. They have a potential space that is naturally dark and moist, and grows normal flora and sometimes other shit we don't need.

[/QUOTE]Don't ever hestitate to ask them to shower if that's what you want. I have never once had a girl be offended by that request, even if it was after we started and I just thought she needed a little more freshening up. Those occurrences have been rare for me, less than one in thirty or so, but that is mostly personal preference.

Be matter-of-fact about it, straightforward and respectful. Don't be insulting. Good: "Honey, would you mind stepping in the shower and using a little soap and water on your chocha (pussy)"? Bad: "JFC chica, if I have so spend another second between your legs I think I am going to vomit, get your ass in the shower, now"!

If you suspect disease, forget about the shower and pay your way out. You would be due a discount if you didn't get any sex, but don't make an issue over it. Do what it takes to get out of the room peacefully and live to fuck for another day.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710165]One of these days you will be asked to show proof of an exit ticket out of Colombia, and as evidenced by the posts on this, it is totally hit or miss whether the airline asks for proof of exit, unless of course you have purchased a round trip ticket with the airline your flying on, hence they are not going to ask.[/QUOTE]I was asked for it in my last one way ticket to MDE. LOL. I was prepared so I I went online to buy another ticket right away but the system did not allow me to complete the transaction so I called and was on the phone a long time before giving up to use another site to get my ticket.

Strange day, strange week, with a happy ending. The theme of this trip continues to be IDK WTF is going on. Still have not seen or spoken to Scarlet since the "incident" a few days ago. She was my anchor for the last few times I have been to Medellin, ranked at Number Two in my List, but functionally she was number one because I have only seen my Numero Uno novia Catgirl one day this trip and two days last trip. I spent 75% of my mongering time, which is 90% of my total time here in Medellin, with Scarlet or her friends, and she has lots of friends.

I wasn't sure what to expect when I annexed Scarlet out of my life, but not this. Last three days have been 4, 5, and 5, girl days and today should've been a six girl day but Freckle flaked on me and didn't show up with her sister. Not really a flake, she sent me a foto of one of her gorgeous constructed fingernails I paid for that got ripped off to the quick and she went to the emergency room, which is ritualized around here. Looks like it hurt, see foto.

Anywho, I thought my numbers would drastically drop but my daily average shot up and my cash flow improved as soon as Scarlet was out of the picture, so there is not too much to complain about. Mini-Vennie or maybe we should change her name to Sugar Baby circled back around the next day for her second session, with a surprise visit to my room at The Nutti. If I even glance at my phone when she is with me she shuts down so sorry, there won't ever be any fotos of this polished diamond.

I had one passed-out and a couple of drugged-out, prepagos in my room early in the day. Funny because she is so beautiful but was walking around like a zombie, is what her friend also called her. She actually passed out while she was giving me a blowjob but I kept fucking her face and then she suddenly woke up and ran into the bathroom and threw up. So much for not having a gag reflex while unconscious. Her friend was laughing and it was all kind of surreal. I didn't notice the pool of Gatorade on the floor until hours later, jaja.

I thought I was done for the night after Freckle sent me the foto of her fingernail injury, but lo and behold, at 2 AM I get Whassap'the from Sexy Lexy who is tied for Number Three on my List, and who just spent the night before with me and asked if I was alone. She came over between 2 AM and 5 AM and we had a fantastic session. My wingman told me she was just doing it for the money since Monday is a Corpus Christi Day, another of the many national Colombian holidays. I told him she would not expect to be paid and this is what happened. At the end of our session, I asked Lexy did she want to be paid, and she said, "Pay me from your heart. " A lot of girls say that and it usually means you set the amount in your head and give her what you think is fair. But I could tell Lexy wasn't here for the money, she loves sex and she loves me, so I went to my room safe and pulled out a 1. 000 COP gold and silver coin, worth about a quarter or 25 cents USD.

She was dancing. I palmed the coin into her hand. She looked at it, took it, smiled, thanked me and kept dancing. Totally satisfied and happy. I was stunned even though she was showing me what I believed to be true. I caught her attention again and showed her the three cincuenta notes I had in my other hand, and handed them to her. She smiled even bigger, thanked me again and kept dancing. That sealed it. Lexy and I are legit.

Booty Call. When a chica calls you in the middle of the night to come over and have sex and then leaves shortly thereafter.

Fotos are all from the last couple of days, including Zombie Girl, jajaja.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710227]Why? My budget if 250 $ for the room, 500 $ for 4 SA girls, and 250 $ to 500 $ for other expenses per day. Is there a problem? Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?[/QUOTE]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.

[QUOTE=Haxagonus;2710220]I'm going to Medellin the 24th of June. I don't know when I'm coming back if at all LOL so what I'm doing to avoid the potential hassle is use [URL]https://bestonwardticket.com/[/URL].

It's less than 20 dollars. You put in your information and you get the ticket at a scheduled time before the flight to your email. Maybe 48 hours before. The ticket expires after 48 hours I think. If they ask you, you just show them this ticket and say you'll leave when the ticket says. After 48 hours the ticket is doesn't work anymore. But you made it through customs so that's all that matters.[/QUOTE]This is excellent what you have provided, kind of like an insurance policy. As far as Colombian customs, I have never ever heard of them checking as they rely on the airlines flying into Colombia to supposedly do this. However for other Countries like in SEA, customs will require proof of onward travel upon arriving.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2710296]You can get 5 rooms a night for you and 4 SA girls with your budget. I would just rent a whole floor at San Peter or somewhere similar and still has money left.

Or you can just check the price online to get your answer since there is such a wide range..[/QUOTE]Thank you for your suggestion I have found a few places of interest and are guest friendly.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/21994541[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49234664[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/39943669[/URL]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2710397]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.[/QUOTE]There are plenty of options in the $200-$250 per night range, even over $1000 per night places are available.

He's 1 guy, staying probably for a short period and pulling a couple of girls off of SA. Chances are the street girls in El Centro won't suddenly demand $100,5 star accommodations and champagne and lobster for a 30 minute date, just because one guy is living it up in Poblado.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2710397]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.[/QUOTE]Mostly the gringo hotels / Airbnb's charges those amount. I won't lie some of those places look dope. Charlee, Energy Living. And I will spend some money on a nice place to lay but I will not spend that money on a girl.

Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2710397]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.[/QUOTE]Sorry, missed a zero there. $125 US = 500.000 COP.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.[/QUOTE]We all pick our spots in varying degrees to correlate with our financial situation. A couple of your implications come across as spurios and just boasting. I will write about what something cost or what I spend (or don't spend) if it is germane to the story I have to tell. But to post for what sounds like to me the purpose of declaring what you can and cannot afford and not much else, comes across with questionable motives including ego gratification. Especially when you categorize the others who aren't like you as having "lack of funds" or "wanting to come across as subject experts" or "cheap" or "having low standards". Then the entire purpose of why you would bother to post in the first place is a valid question.

Sounds like you are setting yourself up to have fun in the way you can best enjoy it, and no can can find fault in that.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2710397]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.[/QUOTE]Jajajajjajajajaaaaa.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree with you more, the board is getting less and less constructive and is not useful in helping fellow hobbyist and has become rife with egos, mocking others, politics and other BS. The thread is about Medellin Reports, but most of the pages are nothing but arguments by so called subject matter experts. If you don't like someone's budget just move on, no need to troll and suggest that people take their hobbies elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Trim1;2710200]When you pull a girl from El Centro to take to a short-time motel, do you normally take a shower at the start of the session (or both at the start and the end)? If so, do you shower first or does the girl shower first? Do you bring your clothes with you into the bathroom to make sure the girl doesn't steal from you while you are in the shower? Does the time in the shower count as part of your time for the session? Is it the same way in the casas?

So far, I've only tried Santa Fe in Bogota and there were no showers in the rooms, but a lot of reports in this thread mention taking a shower.[/QUOTE]Rain amounts per month.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.[/QUOTE]You may have been responding to one of the bottom feeders that populates this Web site. Since you didn't Reply With Quote, that wasn't obvious to me. I have many others blocked on this site but when I thought about your post some more, it seemed like you might have been responding to someone, so I went back and read all the new posts that were on my Ignore List.

I still stand by everything I wrote, but I can empathize more with why you posted, now.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.[/QUOTE]No need to assert that it's your money your right. Goes without saying. There is a saying when in Rome do as the romans do. Whilst of course being from developed countries we are more used to the creature comforts and would want to avail ourselves of them, it's also true that you want to be roughly where the market is at.

When I am looking for accommodation I look for a few things, A safe comfortable building with hot water and a front desk in a neighborhood where other routine services are easily accessible and where walking around is fairly safe. Obviously it has to be chica friendly. I can usually find all that in the $60-100 a night range.

As for chicas, I pay 150 euro in Barcelona without batting an eye. In Mde that rate is 200 mil. Sure I can say 150 euro is 600 mil in MDE and rationalize it, but the fact is that you have both overpaid and also potentially put a target on your back. Remember at its core this is a transactional relationship, if you catch feelings that's on you. Do you go into a barber there and when the barber asks you for 20 mil, do you say nah here is 100 mil that's what I usually pay? That's the jist of the argument.

Now others have said there is some flexibility around those rates and there are girls that will take 150 mil or won't ever see anyone under 300 mil, all of that is true. Some variance and negotiation is to be expected based on quality and pricing power. However the truth is many gringos esp. new ones exaggerate it with their behavior and rationalization. There are atleast 8 chicas in my FB list that are in Europe right now, on a mongers dime. I have had 4 of them one at 150mil 2 at 200 mil and one at 250mil. As for the dudes sponsoring these trips, Is that necessary? Or have they caught feelings? Or are they rationalizing? I don't know, but either way it's not wise. My 2 cents on this topic.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710227]Why? My budget if 250 $ for the room, 500 $ for 4 SA girls, and 250 $ to 500 $ for other expenses per day. Is there a problem? Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?[/QUOTE]Jajaja. You do you, why not go to La Isla and make it rain money. Heck you would have all the attention at the club.

Read my other post, pay up by all means, but please "no dar pappaya" which is not just about what you wear, but also about how you conduct yourself. People are very observant there and the bad guys have sharp eyes.
It's something about Latin culture, but they have daily struggles and if someone seems to be flaunting it, then they rationalize doing other things. When you moderate it, they relate a bit more. Not saying go cheap Charlie, but anyone planning to spend more than $1000 US a day in MDE is just being stupid. Hey if that's your style, go for it, don't argue about it here. If you were a Billionaire I would say the same thing. I might however tell you to hire private security instead though.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2710199]I will be there next week and was planning to hit up Botero girls exclusively as they treated me so well when I went back in November 2021.

But I'm reading about these rainstorms going on.[/QUOTE]If you can't handle rain, which can be totally unpredictable at times, as June is typically one of the wettest months, than perhaps you should re-schedule your trip for another month. If not, make sure you bring more than one set of shoes because most probably your going to need them. Or better yet maybe some waterproof boots and I'm being serious about this. You can easily stay dry wearing rain gear and an umbrella, but keeping your shoes dry can be a challenge. And you can expect to be stepping in puddles, also known in Spanish as "charcos" which can be very deep. During a heavy downpour, also known in Spanish as an "aquacero" the puddles can get quite deep, and sometimes it rains so hard, the streets become like rivers.

Speaking only for myself, I use public transportation (metro) to avoid traffic jams when I don't have an extra hour to spare to be stuck in traffic. I absolutely prefer the comfort of a private car but sometimes it's not practical for me if I can't leave early enough to allow time for traffic. Although the metro at less than 3,000 pesos is very low cost, it's not significantly less than a 10,000 to 20,000 peso taxi / uber / didi fare. Guys who are here vacationing alone for a few days are unlikely to be operating on a schedule or have concerns about keeping friends waiting.

As long as we are on the subject of public transportation, there are a few uniquely Colombian metro habits that will surprise people who are used to systems in North America, Europe, or Asia. Here are a few: many people use the loudspeakers on their mobile phones to view videos or listen to music or make calls in the middle of crowded cars, the area immediately in front of the doors is the most popular place to ride. Even if your stop is many stations away, at the height of rush hour people will board a train and not take a single step into the car in spite of a platform full of people trying to board (to be fair men don't complain when you push them into the car), a somewhat related issue is the cologne and perfume situation which is not good for anyone sensitive to fragrances.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL..[/QUOTE]

I have to back up Ravi here, and everybody else in fact. Everyone is within their rights to spend however much they choose. Maybe it's easy for me to say because I don't think there are enough guys spending at levels that inflate the market. Sure, 300 K is the mid to high rate on the Poblado streets and 150,000 is the low end for Facebook bunnies. I personally know guys who pay much more than what Ravi described. None of them are here full time and I don't think that is a coincidence. They are not stupid so they would see the costs differently with more exposure to the overall market. I try to keep an open mind. Even though I'm a Centro rat I plan to look in on Luna Lunera sometime this coming week. The 150,000 peso cost difference with Centro doesn't matter to me but I'm highly unlikely to pay it unless I see someone of special interest who looks like I might be five times as happy as I am after a Centro quickie. Like any market, be it commodities, equities or consumer products, outliers don't move the core fundamentals. In equity markets, sophisticated investors have access to tools and knowledge that weekend warriors do not. There is consistent value in emerging markets for investors who can evaluate IPOs based on profit potential rather than emotion or intuition.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2710397]They aren't girls, you aren't dating, and that's just a crazy amount of money to be paying in a developing country. I don't even know if there IS a hotel or Air BnB that charges $250 a night. $125 aka 50.000 COP is a week's wages. If you want to overpay ridiculously just to stroke your ego, go to Costa Rica instead. Please.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710211]
For sure, don't ever let your belonging out of your sight for one second. Sometimes I will shower alone at the end after the girl has left the room.

You can be meticulously clean and have just showered and some chicas will still insist on you getting a shower first before say, a bareback blowjob. That is one reason I carry panitos, or prepackaged moist towelettes, a quick wipe down with those I have found satisfies the vast majority of the girls, instead of a shower.[/QUOTE]Thanks! I was mainly worried about the girl taking my wallet and cell phone while I'm taking a shower. Using panitos at the beginning of the session sounds like a good idea.

Is 30 k for 30 minutes plus 10 k for the room a normal price in El Centro? I found prices in Santa Fe for street girls ranging from 27 k to 40 k for "un rato" with the cost of the room included. "Un rato" was supposed to be 15-20 minutes, but the knock on the door usually came after about 11 minutes.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710227]Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?[/QUOTE]My man these are professional hookers that have seen it all. You do not have to impress them; you only have to pay them. Whatever place you are planning on staying, they are probably already there every week and known by name by the staff.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710227]Why? My budget if 250 $ for the room, 500 $ for 4 SA girls, and 250 $ to 500 $ for other expenses per day. Is there a problem? Most of these girls date to have a good time and some luxury not to get banged in some sleazy love motel. Everyone has their own style and preference, why be so judgmental?[/QUOTE]Agree with the others that this is quite aggressive, even by my standards as someone who often pays 'too much' (I. E. More than 200 k for a girl).

How do you even balance the schedules of 4 SA girls (often longer dates) and fuck all of them in 1 day LOL? What in god's name are you spending $500 on 'other expenses'? Are you taking the 4 SA girls to El Cielo on a group data / dinner every night? This seems like the Weekend Warrior mentality that ruined other spots.

I don't keep a tight budget, but I'm typically around $200/ day ($50 to $75 / lodging, $75 (girls. Casa, FB, SA), and $50 (food, drink, transport, tours)) over my 10 day trips.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710497]During a heavy downpour, also known in Spanish as an "aquacero" the puddles can get quite deep, and sometimes it rains so hard, the streets become like rivers.[/QUOTE]I am sure you know, jeje.

I like the way you put, "If you can't handle the rain". I may have undersold the rainy seasons in the past as not effecting what you can do here. After all, mongering is an indoor sport. I schedule my time here without regard to the rainy months. The temperature is so stable and for me that trumps any rain inconvenience. If you are counting on lots of outdoor tours and activities, like a real vacation and not just mongering, then the rain can definitely effect your plans.

Good point about the shoes. My fall back for those in Thailand which has a true rainy season, was wearing rubber flip-slops when wading half-way up your shins.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710427]Thank you for your suggestion I have found a few places of interest and are guest friendly.

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/21994541[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49234664[/URL]

[URL]https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/39943669[/URL][/QUOTE]You sound like you want to be living large when you are in Medellin. And the third one appears to be in a basement with no windows. Personally, I'the feel a bit closed in. But at the end of the proverbial day, if that is what you want, go for it. Just trying to be helpful if you overlooked that.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2710504]Speaking only for myself, I use public transportation (metro) to avoid traffic jams when I don't have an extra hour to spare to be stuck in traffic. I absolutely prefer the comfort of a private car but sometimes it's not practical for me if I can't leave early enough to allow time for traffic. Although the metro at less than 3,000 pesos is very low cost, it's not significantly less than a 10,000 to 20,000 peso taxi / uber / didi fare. Guys who are here vacationing alone for a few days are unlikely to be operating on a schedule or have concerns about keeping friends waiting.

As long as we are on the subject of public transportation, there are a few uniquely Colombian metro habits that will surprise people who are used to systems in North America, Europe, or Asia. Here are a few: many people use the loudspeakers on their mobile phones to view videos or listen to music or make calls in the middle of crowded cars, the area immediately in front of the doors is the most popular place to ride. Even if your stop is many stations away, at the height of rush hour people will board a train and not take a single step into the car in spite of a platform full of people trying to board (to be fair men don't complain when you push them into the car), a somewhat related issue is the cologne and perfume situation which is not good for anyone sensitive to fragrances.[/QUOTE]The good old Metro, perfect for getting to El Centro and the only way I go there, yet there are challenges using it, especially at rush hour. Besides people not moving away from the car entrance upon entering, the worst place to board is at the landing closet to the stairs. As an example, at the Poblado Station, and the other stations, but not San Antonio, everyone wants to board without having to walk a ways down the Platform, and hence it can be a nightmare getting into the first set of cars. During peak times I always walk a ways down the Platform and the cars will be less full, and fighting to get into the cars, and squeezed into a can, like a sardine, can be avoided. And of course during rush hours, you might have to wait ten minutes in line outside a station, just to get into the Station. And if you show up and don't have a pre loaded Civica card, another long wait in line.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2709548]Jaja, no not me. I was banging someone else's Sugar Baby this afternoon, unexpectedly, at the last minute. The same chica who I was with on my last night, at the end of my last trip. Mini-Vennie.

The plot thickens. Mini-Vennie (she weighs maybe 37 kg, looked smaller to me this time) was how I met Freckle, in what I was then calling "Puta Hotel" across from The Nutti on Bolivar. There are hotels like this in every city in the world where there are sex workers. A place where the girls go to live and congregate after a day's work but not usually to turn tricks. I've been to this hotel about six times now and the only other guy I have ever seen there was another girl's younger brother.

Anywho, that afternoon, Mini-Vennie messages me that she is across the street, back at the original hotel where I saw her the last day of my last trip. WTF? She told me before she had her own apartment in Laureles. I was stoked to see her, she's hawter than fuck, so I grabbed by supplies and made the five minute walk. I had to pay $20 mil COP to get a room, and we spent half an hour catching up. She has a nicely equipped tiny studio apartment in Laureles, she showed me all her fotos. Nice view, TV, refridge, dual hot-plate, no stove, and a microwave. Nice bath. She told me she found a Sugar Daddy in the states to pay the bills, and that she wasn't working Ground Zero anymore. I've gone apartment hunting in Laureles before, and her little place I am sure could be had for under 1.2 million COP or a little over $300 USD per month. I asked her if she had money in the bank and was she happy and she said yes to both. Was she bored? She said a little. I asked her what she wanted to do at that moment and she said fuck, with condom, no money. We did, I gave her one orgasm with my tongue and gave her a cincuenta note from the heart.
[/QUOTE]I am not sure this is a sugar baby. If you are a guy looking to come to Colombia, have one girl at your disposal who is great looking and great in bed, that setup where you help a girl out and not have to be looking makes sense to me. I never demanded a woman like this be loyal and thought it was a waste of time. This type of situation is for a guy looking to have the best encounters but not having that much time when in Colombia. $500 or $1000 a month or whatever is equivalent to an hour or two with a decent looking woman in NYC, so it is not that much for a lot of guys. If the guys is smart, he has / had this woman as a hooker on retainer not a sugar baby.

Thing is everyone talking about the SB thing thinks that sugar babies are supposed to be loyal. There are three things wrong with having a girl like this is a sugar baby. One, she worked / lived in a bad neighborhood. That is out. Second she was a working girl, and that is an absolute no go for anyone. And finally, she is from Venezuela, and there is the cultural issue with long term there and a less than secure citizenship status. She is going to have to take a buck anywhere she can get it with that level of insecurity.

The guys who think that they are masters of the Colombia universe typically hang in places that are the American equivalent of Watts, South Chicago, and Harlem. You can get Colombian women in the American equivalence of Beverly Hills, Lincoln Park, and Manhattan. Those are the places where the women get long term. So if you are looking for a sugar baby, one of the first questions you should ask is which neighborhood she lives in and to know the nicer places. The women I met in the nicer neighborhoods did not smoke, do drugs, and drank socially at most. She should have other things going on in her life like school, a job, or a child. These women are much less likely to mess around. Being American puts you pretty much in the highest class in Colombia and opens the door for you to meet them.

An ISGer in Bogota told me the best looking girl he met in Santa Fe was an 8. He had to go to the higher end normal clubs to see 9's and 10's, and I think that is because of the emphasis on health. The women I was serious with ate right and worked out, and it showed.

Unless you live in Florida, getting back and forth to Colombia is not easy, and I do not think you can expect loyalty unless you are there every month or so. Free video chats help but it is not the same as being there. If you are not there often and you have a hot woman, she will likely leave because there are so many men around who are offering her the world. So unless you live in Colombia or have a very flexible schedule that allows for travel, a Colombian SB is a bad idea. If you want to reserve regulars to see, the hooker on retainer concept make much more sense.

One guy on here said my current gal was with me because I was her best offer which told me where he was hanging out. My gal has a hot friend, who is almost her equivalent looks wise, who has a Greek BF with a jet. I also met several high end women who had been to Europe, Mexico, and the USA and if they had not been there, they had family there. Being American gets you in the door but you have to do more than just be an American to seal the deal with the higher end women. I met one woman who had several offers at being a SB and marriage to Americans. Whether the offers were serious, I do not know but being attractive, great in bed, and having the ability to speak English, made me think she was not lying.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2710533]What in god's name are you spending $500 on 'other expenses'?
[/QUOTE]Perhaps he enjoys losing at the casino every night? Hehe. Can't think of anything else to spend that type of money on. Reminds me of the joke. How do you earn a million from being a footbacll club owner? - Put 10 million in.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2710569]Perhaps he enjoys losing at the casino every night? Hehe. Can't think of anything else to spend that type of money on. Reminds me of the joke. How do you earn a million from being a footbacll club owner? - Put 10 million in.[/QUOTE]Medellin must be the cheapest place in earth. You can spend $500 easy in one night alone in So Paulo while in Scandallo club. I imagine OP is hanging out with 4 girls, each meal alone if dining at a nice place could be $50-$100 each, so $100-$200 just there, plus drinks and other misc. Expenses, like mixing in activities during the day like shopping. $500 is not a lot money while vacationing with 4 other people, specially girls. Again, Medellin must be the cheapest place in the world.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710452]Many posters criticize others for how much they spend on their trips. I'm not sure if it's due to lack of funds, a sense of wanting to come across as subject experts, being cheap, or simply because they think that their low standards for girls and accommodations are the same for everyone here.

Personally I applaud you if you can stay in a hostel or a cheap place and be happy, more power to you if you like living the simple life. Same if you think that riding the local transportation makes you a local and gets you a feeling of the real experience. I've lived in a third world country before, and I can tell you I want no part of that lifestyle LOL.

There are plenty of hotels and Airbnb that cost north of $200 a night In Medellin, if you check everywhere in the world right now the hotel industry is going through huge demand, paying $250 a night seems fair to me for a big multi room place. Me, I'm planning to hit the ground soon and have booked a combination of a couple of days in a lower price $50-60 a night location but also staying in a place that charges north of $150 a night. Is it worth it? That is up to me, and to whoever other monger that does the same. I plan on enjoying banging my catch from my bed overlooking the big city and knowing I paid $150 a night because I can while others are happy banging in cheaper places.[/QUOTE]How is this an improvement over the posts trashing the guy for spending too much? Both are insulting, but at least the rude posts aren't condescending. Your post reminds me of the time my boss was showing off his new Porsche just a week after letting me know the company couldn't afford to give me a raise.

Some guys are on a tight budget. Some have inexhaustible funds. Some prefer cheap accommodations or lower price girls, even though they could easily afford the red carpet route. Some would prefer a better lifestyle, but lack the resources.

Regardless of income or preferences they all have 1 thing in common. They've all taken the plunge to satisfy their desires in Medellin. How they do it, who they do it with, and how much they pay are all irrelevant details. Add "how many girls" and what they looked like to the "who gives a fuck" list. Is there a Colombian entry stamp in their passport and did they enjoy themselves are the only important questions.

Now let's deal with the real stuff.

Other than renting a donkey, I've used every form of transportation available in Medellin. With traffic, construction and accidents it can easily take 45 minutes to go 5 miles. On a hot day choosing to spend less than $1 to embrace the third world culture for 10 minutes, via the Metro is more appealing than spending $6 for 45 minutes in a taxi with no air conditioning. My last 2 trips I've rented a car, but there are still situations when the smartest route is via the metro.

People's taste in women has nothing to do with what they can afford or what the girl will expect to be paid. Almost every girl available to you, no matter how much you're paying, has neighbors who are selling the same thing for less than $20. Often the only real difference between the $10-$20 girls and the $100-$200 girls is the price.

You may want to rethink your priorities. If you're thinking about how much your rental apartment cost and gloating because other guys are paying less, while fucking, I'm not sure you grasp the concept of fucking for fun.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2709488]Last month I made my first ever trip to Columbia (Cartagena), I was able to hookup with a girl from Medellin at 500 K per day on SA, asked her to bring a friend along and booked flight tickets for them. Had a great weekend! Checked of a a lot of to do things on that trip.

Next month I am headed to Medellin and have 4 girls lined up on SA all around 400 K to 500 K per day, Including the one I met last trip in Cartagena. The age gap is 30+ years, Can I book a hotel for 5 of US and provide their names during check-in?, Any recommendations for a hotel / airbnb that will be guest friendly and has a laptop size safe and a nice pool / hot tub. My budget is 250 K per night for the hotel / airbnb.[/QUOTE]I guess what is most important to you. If your budget is $250 a night, then I would look at the Fairfield Inn in Sabeneta. Rooms are nice around $70 a night so you can get a few but I do not think there is a pool and jacuzzi. With that hotel, you will have no problem moving women in and out as the hotel lobby is on a higher floor and you can bypass it in the elevator. But it like a 3 star hotel.

I think the nicest pool I have seen in Medellin is at the Intercontinental. They have a suite there for $300 a night and lets you book four people at a time. I think that is what you are looking for. It and the Marriott were my two favorite hotels in Medellin.

If you do that, I would get this IHG credit card: [URL]https://creditcards.chase.com/travel-credit-cards/ihg-rewards-club/premier[/URL] It is $99 per year and puts you in platinum status as soon as you get the card, and you get 140,000 points after you spend $3,000. I got those points, and when I was looking at hotels in Mexico City, some Holiday Inns were only 5,000 points per night.

And I think your budget for SA girls is on target. My guess is you are going to do tours or high end dining given your expenses for other things. Have fun.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710488]You may have been responding to one of the bottom feeders that populates this Web site. Since you didn't Reply With Quote, that wasn't obvious to me. I have many others blocked on this site but when I thought about your post some more, it seemed like you might have been responding to someone, so I went back and read all the new posts that were on my Ignore List.

I still stand by everything I wrote, but I can empathize more with why you posted, now.[/QUOTE]In retrospect my last part of the post was a bit unnecessary, just wanted to clarify that yes we all try to create a fantasy within our budget, which after being stuck in pussy prison for awhile it's normal some mongers will want to splurge where possible.

I enjoy reading your adventures, like jumping off windows and such LOL. And think no less of mongers who can find ways to score great deals, unfortunately some casual shoppers like myself miss those deals from time to time. Now I hope to report a positive experience soon enough!

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710573]Medellin must be the cheapest place in earth. You can spend $500 easy in one night alone in So Paulo while in Scandallo club. I imagine OP is hanging out with 4 girls, each meal alone if dining at a nice place could be $50-$100 each, so $100-$200 just there, plus drinks and other misc. Expenses, like mixing in activities during the day like shopping. $500 is not a lot money while vacationing with 4 other people, specially girls. Again, Medellin must be the cheapest place in the world.[/QUOTE]Nah, the guys here do not get the higher end seeking girls. The best hotels in Medellin are in the $150 to $300 a night range and if you are entertaining the higher end girls, you should go to a hotel like that. My first seeking encounters in Bogota were in the Hotel Ibis and it was night and day being there compared to the Marriott. Ibis was a shoe box like a Motel 6, and the women would get nervous that you had no money and it would be like "how much" all the time. Ibis is a great place though if you just want to bang Santa Fe hookers.

With the Marriott, the women and I would hit the pool, gym, buffets, and watch Netflix. The women wanted to stay because it was so nice, and none of them ever asked "how much". Hotel quality does not matter for hookers though.

[QUOTE=Wolf662;2710484]Rain amounts per month.[/QUOTE]One peaking in May, the second peaking in Oct.

The 3 month total surrounding each peak is roughly the same or close enough to not say one rainy season is more rainy than the other, with Oct being the single highest month.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2710504]Speaking only for myself, I use public transportation (metro) to avoid traffic jams when I don't have an extra hour to spare to be stuck in traffic. I absolutely prefer the comfort of a private car but sometimes it's not practical for me if I can't leave early enough to allow time for traffic. Although the metro at less than 3,000 pesos is very low cost, it's not significantly less than a 10,000 to 20,000 peso taxi / uber / didi fare. Guys who are here vacationing alone for a few days are unlikely to be operating on a schedule or have concerns about keeping friends waiting. [/QUOTE]Good intel, time savings has its price too. How about safety? I wonder if being in a crowded metro makes you a target for pick pockets or suspicious characters looking to rob you.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710579]we all try to create a fantasy within our budget, which after being stuck in pussy prison for awhile it's normal some mongers will want to splurge where possible. Now I hope to report a positive experience soon enough![/QUOTE]And I love your "no holds barred" approach, in the true mongering spirit.

What one guy wrote about conspicuous spending being possibly dangerous is true, so be careful. I had a guy in the Dollar Store line today pick a verbal fight with me for no other reason than I was buying a lot of shit. He even pushed up on me but I didn't feel threatened. He followed me to the door instead of paying for his single item, a bottle of Coke, and yelled at me, "Respect me, respect me!" I smiled and called him crazy which in retrospect I wish I had not done, but I did nothing knowingly to egg him on. I usually get along quite well with strangers.

Let's all Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710427]Thank you for your suggestion I have found a few places of interest and are guest friendly....[/QUOTE]There are some rental agencies that probably can help you too. I think it is better to list your requirements, like view, balcony, hot tube and number of rooms, then work out the price. You may spend less, or more but you get what you want.

There is another thread about rental.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2654-Medellin-Hotels-and-Rental-Apartments[/URL]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710497]If you can't handle rain, which can be totally unpredictable at times, as June is typically one of the wettest months, than perhaps you should re-schedule your trip for another month.[/QUOTE]

Thank you!

My Airbnb host recommended to bring multiple shoes as well. I don't mind rain I was just wondering how much it would be. Noted. Thanks again!!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2710273]Can any of us help with what you may want to do while you are waiting for the sun to come out?[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

I don't do much. I usually just hit up 3-4 Botero girls a day and walk around el centro during each pop. Then I just go back to the Airbnb right when it gets dark and call it a day.

Long time admirer, second time visitor to this beautiful city. A World traveler (have been to most LatAm countries over the years).

I have a quick question: since I am not staying for long, paying premium is OK with me, but I don't want dar papaya.

I've read in some review that in order to get any attention from the ladies in either of the club (see the title), one has to get a table, I. E. Pay for the bottle service. That is pretty damn expensive, and I don't expect to down a bottle even with some help.

Is it true that if you don't get a table in either of this establishments, you get no action?

Having been to Colombia quite a few times; to me it rains all year round. Some cities more than others; its just part of life there. My solution is to duck into some place or stay in my hotel room or find a cafe, order a coffee and just wait it out. Usually after a half hour or an hour the rain stops and everything returns to normal.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2710533]Agree with the others that this is quite aggressive, even by my standards as someone who often pays 'too much' (I. E. More than 200 k for a girl).

How do you even balance the schedules of 4 SA girls (often longer dates) and fuck all of them in 1 day LOL? What in god's name are you spending $500 on 'other expenses'? Are you taking the 4 SA girls to El Cielo on a group data / dinner every night? This seems like the Weekend Warrior mentality that ruined other spots.

I don't keep a tight budget, but I'm typically around $200/ day ($50 to $75 / lodging, $75 (girls. Casa, FB, SA), and $50 (food, drink, transport, tours)) over my 10 day trips.[/QUOTE]The SA girls are agreements for 400 K to 500 K per day and are the cream of the crop for the duration of my stay, I am not juggling any schedules, all 4 are there 24 hours at that rate. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, wine for 5 people costs money.

I can't imagine decent looking SA girls agreeing to 150 K or 200 K for overnight.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710585]Good intel, time savings has its price too. How about safety? I wonder if being in a crowded metro makes you a target for pick pockets or suspicious characters looking to rob you.[/QUOTE]After at least a few hundred metro trips, including 1 which was literally as crowded as it possibly could be, I'm comfortable about the safety. On many occasions people have alerted me of potential security issues; unzipped backpack, phone sticking out of pocket, even untied shoes. One morning I fainted on the Metro. Everyone nearby helped me back to me feet and someone ran to get help when the train reached the station. Nothing was taken and people showed genuine concern for my well-being.

Certainly, if you make it easy, there is always a risk someone will pick your pocket, but when it comes to risk, that one is pretty low on the list.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;2710601]Having been to Colombia quite a few times; to me it rains all year round.[/QUOTE]In the Andes, the rainy season runs from Jan to Dec, with a break on NY Eve every 5 years.

[QUOTE=BayBoy;2710601]Usually after a half hour or an hour the rain stops and everything returns to normal.[/QUOTE]Thanks!

I was there in November and it was exactly like you said. I would hang out inside the small shopping centers until the rain stopped and then went back out again!

I haven't had safety problems. Pickpockets do work the metro. You have to stay aware of your belongings and put eyeballs on any sensation of touching near your pockets that aren't empty. Be advised that robberies of taxi and uber passengers do happen. Try to keep your phone out of sight and stay aware of motorcycles that pull up next to the car, especially when there are two male riders.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710585]Good intel, time savings has its price too. How about safety? I wonder if being in a crowded metro makes you a target for pick pockets or suspicious characters looking to rob you.[/QUOTE]

Good plan.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2710594]Thanks!

I don't do much. I usually just hit up 3-4 Botero girls a day and walk around el centro during each pop. Then I just go back to the Airbnb right when it gets dark and call it a day.[/QUOTE]

Let the weekend warrior spend his hard earned money the way he pleases.

Not sure what he wants us to help him with. Plenty of options on Airbnb and booking, use the search option, goddamit.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2710573]Medellin must be the cheapest place in earth. You can spend $500 easy in one night alone in So Paulo while in Scandallo club.[/QUOTE]Yeah, but Scandallo is like a Vegas club or Europe dance club. I could spend $3 k USD myself at xS in Vegas if you want to talk dance clubs. There is nothing like that in Medellin (or Colombia for that matter). Anyway. All power to him.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2710624]I haven't had safety problems. Pickpockets do work the metro. You have to stay aware of your belongings and put eyeballs on any sensation of touching near your pockets that aren't empty. Be advised that robberies of taxi and uber passengers do happen. Try to keep your phone out of sight and stay aware of motorcycles that pull up next to the car, especially when there are two male riders.[/QUOTE]Yup. When you're in a taxi stopped at a traffic light at nighttime, you're a sitting duck. Which is why some taxi drivers will not obey the light if they're in a not-so-great area.

[QUOTE=Ravi50;2710605]The SA girls are agreements for 400 K to 500 K per day and are the cream of the crop for the duration of my stay, I am not juggling any schedules, all 4 are there 24 hours at that rate. Breakfast, lunch, dinner, wine for 5 people costs money.

I can't imagine decent looking SA girls agreeing to 150 K or 200 K for overnight.[/QUOTE]The top women I met from seeking I paid typically $100 to $140 a day and it was usually bare and with multiple pops, and it is double to triple that in Mexico City. Do not let anyone rattle you. As far as I am concerned, you are getting a bargain.

[QUOTE=JSmith49;2486373]After reading some positive reviews its seems Colombia is back open and I'm looking to get on the first plane I can at the start of October. Still been browsing La diabla chica list and am curious to if anyone here positive reviews on them or if they are still in the game. Looking forward to any help I receive. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have spent some time in Colombia and the girls from previous posts still elude me. Any info on them would be much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Zhopusik;2710597]...
I have a quick question: since I am not staying for long, paying premium is OK with me, but I don't want dar papaya.
...[/QUOTE]That is probably not true in La Isla. Last time I was there, it was packed and I did not have a table because none was available. There were one or two tables hoarding girls. I did not have issue finding girls but finding one who would do BBBJ was a challenge.

[QUOTE=Zhopusik;2710597]Long time admirer, second time visitor to this beautiful city. A World traveler (have been to most LatAm countries over the years).

I have a quick question: since I am not staying for long, paying premium is OK with me, but I don't want dar papaya.

I've read in some review that in order to get any attention from the ladies in either of the club (see the title), one has to get a table, I. E. Pay for the bottle service. That is pretty damn expensive, and I don't expect to down a bottle even with some help.

Is it true that if you don't get a table in either of this establishments, you get no action?[/QUOTE]No.

First, you don't need to get a bottle to get a table at Fase 2. You do need to buy a bottle if you want a table next to the stage.

I'm not sure if the back tables at La Isla are available without bottle service, but if they are, you would probably get booted from them if you're solo and not buying a bottle. However, if you're there solo just looking for girls, there's no reason to get a table, or a bottle.

To attract the attention of a girl at either place you only need 2 things; a pulse and money. Granted, just like at any strip club, many of the girls are going to hang wherever the money is being handed out, but you can still get a girl.

So the taxi thing / Uber thing has me a little scared to go now. Any more insights on how to navigate Columbia safely that would give a noobie some peace of mind here?

I don't have a milk fetish that I know of, but when a girl with this good of a body shows up 1 1/2 months after delivery looking like she did, I will take advantage of the situation. Her pussy was in unbelievably good and tight shape and I continue to be amazed at Colombiana and Venezuelana pussy resiliency.

Of course, I asked for a sample. Super delicious sweet and thick, I don't know why I was surprised how warm the milk was considering it was being made at 37 degrees Celsius but I am conditioned to expecting my milk to taste ice cold.

This was her first fuck since she had her baby and it was a good feeling getting her back in shape for the game.

I stopped seeing Scarlet. Including herself, she is the girl who is responsible for well over half the girls I fuck in Medellin. But my numbers jumped up, instead of going down. Can't explain it but it's been fun as hell. I am sure it will die down soon. I am not looking to start any kind of Epic Run, especially now that Catgirl is back in town, finally.

Pumpkin came back and did not disappoint after my suggestion to put in a little effort on her appearance next time. She looked gorgeous and like she was ready to go out to a nightclub or dinner party. I told her she didn't have to put in that much time, effort and expense for a fuck session, that somewhere in the middle between how she looked like before as if she just crawled out of bed, and this time, would be great.

My last girl of the day was epic, Cheery or Scarlet's soon-to-be ex-roommate. This girl has some gawd-given sexual gifts that I am not sure about which she is aware. She's a chubby, who feels great, like a giant marshmallow and I was actually tempted to take a bite a couple of times. She's a screamer which doesn't bother me, I usually go with the flow, I hope it didn't bother the neighbors. She has the smallest pussy of any girl I can remember. Deep enough, no issues there, she can take a pounding, but a very small tight snug hole.

She had a tampon in and when I asked her about it she said it was her first day. I couldn't smell or see any blood so we decided to pull it out. I have never seen a pussy grab onto something so tight before. I don't know how she got it in there, lube I guess. I pulled slow and steady on the string and used my other hand to try and pull the walls of her vagina away from the tampon but we still had to stop and rest one time from all the pulling. There was very little blood on it so we sessioned without a tampon and I never noticed any red color.

I took my first two boner pills of the trip and I am glad I did. She was my 18th girl in four days and I was running out of steam. The pills got me rock hard and if there was anyone in the room next to ours they got an earful. Her pussy felt amazing. Then it went to another level. She was giving me some good oral and I started going harder and deeper and she never flinched. I grabbed a big knot-full of her super-strong black Paisa hair and started to pile-drive on her. That's when I noticed her mouth and throat felt exactly like her pussy. No difference. I kid you not. She has the same soft fat pudding tissue texture in both boles. I was getting turned on by this awareness of her twin pussy and mouth phenomenon which created a positive feedback loop in me brawn that kept me going.

She called time on me not from being facially abused, but the entire evening she kept talking about having to be home at her mom's before too late. I knew this ahead of time and we negotiated the overall price accordingly. She stuck to her guns for a 50 mil COP bareback upgrade, and I gave her 50 more to hand off to Scarlet when she saw her. Scarlet keeps messaging me that she has no money for food, which is her usual MO whether true or not, her Gravy Train was suddenly derailed so I didn't mind tossing her some loose change.

Cheery's birthday was earlier this month and she asked me for a present. I reminded her she was not on my List and that I only bought birthday presents for girls on my List. She completely accepted that answer. The List comes in more than handy, time and time again.

I gifted Sexy Lexy a new iPhone a week ago and she texted a few hours after our last session from a new number that it was stolen. Fuck me and this has happened to me at least twice before that I can remember, with different girls. Well, one not stolen, Catgirl let her new iPhone go flying out of her waistband when she got clipped by a car on the 2022 Vulcan moto I also bought her. A lot of the time, maybe most of the time, the gifts for these chicas get wasted. In case you're inclined like me, be prepared for it.

I want to see Scarlet again. I love her and we have put in the time together, over two years. She has confessed and apologized for trying to pilfer a small amount of tussi from me and I think she understands the seriousness of the situation. I am going to move her down the List and see if she works her way back up. I know she loves me and I know I don't know what love is, especially the Colombian version. The sex with her is amazing and she otherwise has done everything in her power to keep me happy, including supplying me with a steady supply of new gorgeous young wet holes. Totally rejecting her seems like overkill and self-defeating to me after having had a few days to sit on it. But these last few days have been amazing, so I am going to let WTF IDK is going on run its course before I recapitulate and see her again.

The fotos are getting flipped when I download them and I am too tired to try and fix it. Ostee Out.

I made a free Seeking account on Friday, and just checked today and saw 300+ interests with 100+ favorited me, but I can't message any of those because I don't have a paid membership. Is this site filled with catfish or is it actually mostly legit? If it's actually legit, maybe I'll consider buying a membership to talk to some of them. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]

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[QUOTE=JSmith49;2710703]I have spent some time in Colombia and the girls from previous posts still elude me. Any info on them would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Why? If you've spent time in Colombia you should have noticed that there are many thousands of girls waiting to satisfy your desires, with new ones coming everyday. Why waste time searching for 2 girls, who may be dead, retired, married, no longer in the country or no longer young, fit and attractive?

[QUOTE=Orion4;2710867]I made a free Seeking account on Friday, and just checked today and saw 300+ interests with 100+ favorited me, but I can't message any of those because I don't have a paid membership. Is this site filled with catfish or is it actually mostly legit? If it's actually legit, maybe I'll consider buying a membership to talk to some of them. [/QUOTE]There are a lot of WGs on the site and scammers but for the most part it is legit.

This may help. All the people posting here are still alive. Most have visited Colombia more than once, some live here. 100% of us were new to the country at the time of our first visit. If that is not reassuring or encouraging enough it may be best to stay home.

[QUOTE=RadioWave12;2710758]So the taxi thing / Uber thing has me a little scared to go now. Any more insights on how to navigate Columbia safely that would give a noobie some peace of mind here?[/QUOTE]

Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?

[QUOTE=RadioWave12;2710758]So the taxi thing / Uber thing has me a little scared to go now. Any more insights on how to navigate Columbia safely that would give a noobie some peace of mind here?[/QUOTE]As noted in the post, just as you should in any area, you should generally know areas of Medellin considered dangerous to non-locals. For a newbie, try Poblado and / or Laureles. A cabbie will tell you to put your phone down / out of sight. Or if you're that concerned about your safety with one post on this board, maybe don't go.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2710867]I made a free Seeking account on Friday, and just checked today and saw 300+ interests with 100+ favorited me, but I can't message any of those because I don't have a paid membership. Is this site filled with catfish or is it actually mostly legit? If it's actually legit, maybe I'll consider buying a membership to talk to some of them.[/QUOTE]When you create an account on any "dating" website you will almost immediately begin getting hits from women on that site. Mostly these are from fake accounts maintained by each "dating" website in order to convince you to pay for a subscription.

It's simple. Every similar website from Match to Seeking makes money by convincing men to pay for a subscription. If the only hits you receive in the first few weeks are from a couple of 50+ women you're probably not going to spend $100 or more to talk to them. But, if it appears that dozens, or hundreds of women are dying to meet you, cha-ching.

If you spend the money you can probably find some women on Seeking. You'll probably spend at least double what you would spend elsewhere in order to have sex with them and not all will be interested in sex until they are certain you're a good investment.

Seeking is set up for women seeking some type of arranged support, however some women use it for simple prostitution because they can usually get paid more.

If you expect to travel frequently to Medellin, or you wish to find a woman who will happily let you pay her monthly bills, Seeking might be perfect for you. If you're just making a first trip and hoping to get laid, there are many other options which are cheaper, easier and more reliable.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2710867].... Is this site filled with catfish or is it actually mostly legit? If it's actually legit, maybe I'll consider buying a membership to talk to some of them...[/QUOTE]Some of both, Colombia is one of the best places that I have tried to find a seeking date. I think it is evolving into more a P4P/PPM platform then a few years ago.

The interesting thing is that I just looked after reading your post and I found several FB girls. One the the hottest FB Bello girls that I have sessioned with is on Seeking. LOL. And I saw more than one FB girls on it. These are also more classy ones. So there are some overlaps between FB, IG, Seeking. Please don't generalize what I said here. This is only an observation for about less than 10 minutes and I am not a heavy FB monger compared to others that I know.

I guess I overpaid the FB girl. I should have tried to get her on Seeking for a whole day for the going amount. I am kicking myself right now. LOL.

Today's Visa's exchange rate is $3912 COP to the USD.

It will be interesting to see which direction the exchange rate heads this week after the election, I suspect it won't move much, but hopefully am wrong, and if goes up tp 4,200 COP, I'm going to hit the ATM's.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2710626]Good plan.[/QUOTE]Thanks Knowledge.

Petro has already brought some noticeable changes in. Today in the casas, sessions with venezuelanas attract a 30% import duty, due to the new friendly relations between the neighbours. Any customer that exceeds the new worker-friendly 5 minute limit on a session w a chica will be subject to a 20% withholding tax. And all girls are required to install a new track and trace device for bareback clients in case the get pregnant and need to pursue for maintenance.

I fear the worst under this new socialist junta.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2710594]Thanks!

I don't do much. I usually just hit up 3-4 Botero girls a day and walk around el centro during each pop. Then I just go back to the Airbnb right when it gets dark and call it a day.[/QUOTE]This is the move, I love el centro.

4100 or higher and I'm at the ATMs. I loaded up a few weeks ago but there is always room for more when the rate flirts with a 52 week high.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2710963]Today's Visa's exchange rate is $3912 COP to the USD.

It will be interesting to see which direction the exchange rate heads this week after the election, I suspect it won't move much, but hopefully am wrong, and if goes up tp 4,200 COP, I'm going to hit the ATM's.[/QUOTE]

Robberies happen in Poblado / Laureles / Sabaneta / Envigado. The odds are somewhat in our favor to avoid them in those gringo gulches because we aren't as unique a target as in the rest of Medellin. The extreme risk of middle of the night forays into the barrios including Centro is well documented. Overall, be aware of surroundings and people and you are more likely than not to have a safe and enjoyable time.

[QUOTE=Jay0940;2710929]As noted in the post, just as you should in any area, you should generally know areas of Medellin considered dangerous to non-locals. For a newbie, try Poblado and / or Laureles. A cabbie will tell you to put your phone down / out of sight. Or if you're that concerned about your safety with one post on this board, maybe don't go.[/QUOTE]

I think that place's policy vary by unit and unit owner. Anytime I've passed the place I notice punters and girls in the immediate area. That said, I don't recommend renting a unit that states what you described in its renter's policy.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2710926]Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2710580]Nah, the guys here do not get the higher end seeking girls. The best hotels in Medellin are in the $150 to $300 a night range and if you are entertaining the higher end girls, you should go to a hotel like that. My first seeking encounters in Bogota were in the Hotel Ibis and it was night and day being there compared to the Marriott. Ibis was a shoe box like a Motel 6, and the women would get nervous that you had no money and it would be like "how much" all the time. Ibis is a great place though if you just want to bang Santa Fe hookers.

With the Marriott, the women and I would hit the pool, gym, buffets, and watch Netflix. The women wanted to stay because it was so nice, and none of them ever asked "how much". Hotel quality does not matter for hookers though.[/QUOTE]I have tons of points I can use. Is Marriott girl friendly? Are they okay bringing in girls?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2710984]This is the move, I love el centro.[/QUOTE]Thanks man!

I loved it too. Saw about 5 girls I missed out on last time and have like another 5 I want to repeat with LOL.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2710926]Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?[/QUOTE]I concur with your comment about Airbnb places starting to say "No sex tourism". What I do is I book for 2 and I do keep a low profile, no loud music, spekaing the language helps alot and I do become friends with the security guards at the front desks, if the place that I get has them. This works wonders and ensures you don't get any troubles.

In all my Airbnb stays, I've been able to get in girls without any troubles, but I do recommend skipping those that do mention no sex tourism.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2710958]When you create an account on any "dating" website you will almost immediately begin getting hits from women on that site. Mostly these are from fake accounts maintained by each "dating" website in order to convince you to pay for a subscription.

It's simple. Every similar website from Match to Seeking makes money by convincing men to pay for a subscription. If the only hits you receive in the first few weeks are from a couple of 50+ women you're probably not going to spend $100 or more to talk to them. But, if it appears that dozens, or hundreds of women are dying to meet you, cha-ching.

If you spend the money you can probably find some women on Seeking. You'll probably spend at least double what you would spend elsewhere in order to have sex with them and not all will be interested in sex until they are certain you're a good investment.

Seeking is set up for women seeking some type of arranged support, however some women use it for simple prostitution because they can usually get paid more.

If you expect to travel frequently to Medellin, or you wish to find a woman who will happily let you pay her monthly bills, Seeking might be perfect for you. If you're just making a first trip and hoping to get laid, there are many other options which are cheaper, easier and more reliable.[/QUOTE]This might be true for many, but I am having great luck with overnights, unlimited pops, bareback, and cip with a chill girl that I trust. This is in Bogota though. I have also met a good platonic friend that's wants 0 from me and we hangout. Also some good no clock watching more occasional encounters. I don't like the instagram model types and prefer girl next door spinners that speak english and provide GFE. I am not that handsome, average build, and late 30's. I speak no Spanish. Cost 200 k for 3 ish hours to 600 k for 24 hours. Or 0. I have 5 or 6 that I have had to slow roll.

I agree if you are there for a short stay it might not be worth it, but if it were 2+ weeks and you like the type of situation I do, it could be worth it. Yes I spend more than a quick 20 minute stay, but minute for minute or pop for pop I think my cost averages down. Of course there is no right or wrong and everyone is looking for something different.

I'm sometimes guilty of failing to report back on my experiences after getting so much valuable info from the research of those who have gone before me. I don't have much new to add but here are a few corrections and additions that someone might want to make to the Medellíand Monger Map & Chica List:

1) IDK if I just heard wrong but the rate I was quoted for a 30 minute session at the Jade Spa MP in Poblado was an absurd 160 k COP (WTF! Needless to say, I didn't take them up on it.

2) Went by Zandaly MP on Sunday afternoon (before 4 pm) and found it closed, but it was reopened the following morning, so hours need to be corrected on the list.

3) I found a small MP that isn't on the map or list around the corner from Zandaly on Cra 57 a. Sorry, I don't have the exact address (#46-35 I think) but the entrance is directly in front of a concrete bench. I also didn't get the rates and hours (I know, I know, lousy scouting). But it had 3 chicas on a Sunday (2 decent, 1 ugly) with a hotter one arriving just as we were leaving. I didn't partake but my buddy did and he described it as the best fuck of his life (but maybe he doesn't get around enough).

4) Also stopped at New Life and had a pretty decent session though definitely not the best of my life. Like a previous poster reported, I also got the request for a 50 k tip for BBBJ (WTF?) on top of the 55 k fee for CBJ & CFS, which I paid bcuz a) it was my 1st fuck in Medellin after landing and I was horny b) $30 still seemed like a bargain from my recently arrived perspective and c) I was caught off-guard because I hadn't seen that previous post and didn't know any better.

5) After I got that 1st nut out of the way. I went to Plaza Botero and picked up a gorgeous young spinner streetwalker (though most of the SW's around are definitely not so gorgeous). Took her to a nearby ST hotel. 2 k for the room & rubber, 50 k for the girl, unrushed sloppy BBBJ & multi-position FS that if it wasn't the best fuck of my life was close to it. Definitely not the "fucking a motionless rubber doll just fucked by several others" experience described by some others re: El Centro SW's. I know many guys here prefer the Lleras girls or the GFE experience they can get from girls found elsewhere, but IMHO it's hard to beat the value of the El Centro SW if you find the right one.

6) I also visited Nuevo Milenio which is not on the map but should be and has been described by previous posters. It is located near where Casa Cuba (which I couldn't find) is marked and unlike other casitas is very clearly marked with a large sign. Just walk through the parking lot entrance and go up the stairs on the left. Again, I failed to record the price (50 k / hh I think) about a dozen rooms, exact number of chicas will vary depending on when you go. I usually go for spinners, which they didn't have when I went there but went anyway with a somewhat thicker but attractive gal with really nice large natural breasts and had a really great time (okay, not maybe not the best of my life but certainly better than my average).

7) Also visited Barra Ejecutiva, Nueva Avenida & Conejitas in El Centro after dark. Perhaps I'm crazy but we didn't have any problem walking between them or feel insecure (at least in the early evening 9-midnight). Not so sure how advisable that would be in the wee hours. I wouldn't advise going for any longer walks down empty streets at those hours though. Of those 3 I liked Nueva Avenida the best (also more hustle for tips at the other places). Bar staff will really look out for you at all of those places. Chica prices at Nueva Avenida varied. My buddies got chicas for 50 k and 60 k respectively. One was quite pleased with the service he got, the other not so much. I went back the next night with another amigo but got quoted 100 k (with BBBJ not available for any tip) but she was a gorgeous spinner so I went for it any way and was quite pleased.

8) Not a correction for the map or list or anything, but to round out my experiences I also tried a prepago from mileroticos at her apartment near the stadium. She had just left for lunch when I got there for my appointment but there were at least 6-8 other chicas there, none to my liking. I began to worry what my pick would turn out to look like but when she finally arrived (after keeping me waiting 30 minutes) I was pleased to see she matched the pretty girl in her ad pics. 90 k / HR including anal. CBJ but agreed to BBBJ for a 40 k tip so 130 k total for the hour with anal. NOT 2 pops. She counted vage then anal as 2 fucks. Not the way I figured it but I made the whole thing last 45 minutes with a little massage thrown in and walked away reasonably happy.

9) Finally, I lined up a LOT of names (agreeing to meet) through Facebook before I even left for Colombia which as incredibly easy to do. I'm not sure how they would have turned out since this was just a relatively quick trip and I stayed pretty busy with everything else. However I could see how that would be a very viable route to go for guys who are down for longer visits or are setting up relationships for repeat visits and future trips. A lot of the ones who'll agree to meet might be the very same ones you'll find in Lleras Park but I got the sense that at least some are semi-pros from whom you might get more of a GFE experience.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711034]...but IMHO it's hard to beat the value of the El Centro SW if you find the right one...[/QUOTE]Thanks for the nice, comprehensive report. Regarding the quote above, isn't that a universal truth, which applies everywhere?

I have been lurking the Medellin section for a while now and am planning a trip in the next 3 months. I speak fluent Spanish and plan on being a centro rat but as Osteo says, it's better not to have plans in Medellin so I'll listen to the man. I was wondering if these websites to find prepagos are reliable / girls are real such as pasionprepago or photoprepago.

Thank you so much to those who have contributed and I look forward to touching down in the next few months.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2710964]Thanks Knowledge.[/QUOTE]Please, use private messaging for these type of message exchange. Thanks.

Thanks for the report.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711034]...
4) Also stopped at New Life and had a pretty decent session though definitely not the best of my life. Like a previous poster reported, I also got the request for a 50 k tip for BBBJ (WTF?) on top of the 55 k fee for CBJ & CFS, which I paid bcuz a) ...[/QUOTE]This is not new. It was like this before pandemic.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711034]...Casa Cuba (which I couldn't find)...[/QUOTE]Search for the seafood place [B]Doris Bill[/B] on google map. It is on the ground floor of a yellow building. Cuba is located on the second floor. You turn left to go upstairs immediately after you enter the door way to the parking lot. But I think it is the one you went based on your description.

[QUOTE=Zhopusik;2710597]Long time admirer, second time visitor to this beautiful city. A World traveler (have been to most LatAm countries over the years).

I have a quick question: since I am not staying for long, paying premium is OK with me, but I don't want dar papaya.

I've read in some review that in order to get any attention from the ladies in either of the club (see the title), one has to get a table, I. E. Pay for the bottle service. That is pretty damn expensive, and I don't expect to down a bottle even with some help.

Is it true that if you don't get a table in either of this establishments, you get no action?[/QUOTE]In either place all you need to do is place a stack of 100's US in the hand of the manager, at least 10. After that is confirmed, then bend over, grab your ankles and grit your teeth, and at that point you'll get exactly what you want.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2710926]Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?[/QUOTE]Airbnb units in San Peter with those rules? That would be new I think.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2710782]I don't have a milk fetish that I know of, but when a girl with this good of a body shows up 1 1/2 months after delivery looking like she did, I will take advantage of the situation. Her pussy was in unbelievably good and tight shape and I continue to be amazed at Colombiana and Venezuelana pussy resiliency.

Of course, I asked for a sample. Super delicious sweet and thick, I don't know why I was surprised how warm the milk was considering it was being made at 37 degrees Celsius but I am conditioned to expecting my milk to taste ice cold.

This was her first fuck since she had her baby and it was a good feeling getting her back in shape for the game.[/QUOTE]Good job, mate. Nice jugs and fresh milk.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2710979]Petro has already brought some noticeable changes in. Today in the casas, sessions with venezuelanas attract a 30% import duty, due to the new friendly relations between the neighbours. Any customer that exceeds the new worker-friendly 5 minute limit on a session w a chica will be subject to a 20% withholding tax. And all girls are required to install a new track and trace device for bareback clients in case the get pregnant and need to pursue for maintenance.[/QUOTE]Same thing at the Love Motels, if you show up with a Venezuelan, you get hit with a 30% surcharge on the room rate.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711034]8) Not a correction for the map or list or anything, but to round out my experiences I also tried a prepago from mileroticos at her apartment near the stadium. She had just left for lunch when I got there for my appointment.[/QUOTE]Many times the girl waits until you arrive. The girls who are there verify you are there and then she leaves her apartment and takes a taxi to meet with you. Also, the hot one gets worn out and everyone is hoping you trade down to a lesser girl because you are horny and will return another time for the original girl. I got tired of that real quick. Last time I told the girls I did not want to switch girls and to cancel my original girl. They all got nervous about that because the girl coming who was supposed to be there was on the hook for the taxi ride with no customer. She said she was there when I was 10 minutes from our appointed time. But she lied. I waited 30 minutes and then was too pissed off to sex her or any other girls there so left.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2710608]After at least a few hundred metro trips, including 1 which was literally as crowded as it possibly could be, I'm comfortable about the safety. On many occasions people have alerted me of potential security issues; unzipped backpack, phone sticking out of pocket, even untied shoes. One morning I fainted on the Metro. Everyone nearby helped me back to me feet and someone ran to get help when the train reached the station. Nothing was taken and people showed genuine concern for my well-being.

Certainly, if you make it easy, there is always a risk someone will pick your pocket, but when it comes to risk, that one is pretty low on the list.[/QUOTE]The metro is the safest cleanest place in the city.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2710984]This is the move, I love el centro.[/QUOTE]There is some kind of energy at Ground Zero I have never felt before, anywhere else in the world. Obviously that's a personal interpretation that is virtually meaningless unless someone else feels it, too. Sure, it can be gritty and even dangerous, but I find the place to be clean and I meet people there, obviously meaning the chicas, who are filled with joy. Probably for newbies I would say daylight hours only but with street smarts El Centro is navigable 24/7.

Maybe because sex workers have been plying their trade there for generations, hundreds of years, at the Church at Ground Zero, there is some kind of mystical karma magic in the air, I don't know what it is but I feel it. I met a new chica there today, the great ones always seem to end up Vennies, I can't help it. Honest, intelligent, warm, she looked like a prom queen from high school and we will be looking for each other again. And then fuck, who should I run into yet again on my walk back to my hotel but Sugar Baby with her sister who I fucked earlier that morning. She practically dragged me by my ear back to my room at The Nutti. Fotos are verbotten by her, but I overheard two young buffed Colombian studs comment, "Omigod" when she walked past them on our way back to my room. I thought I would be seeing her maybe two times a month and we have sessioned 3 out of the past 4 days. She also informed me that she would be arriving back at my hotel tomorrow with a friend who I supposedly fucked before but when she put her on the video call I did not recognize but I definitely would fuck her. After a slow start, this turned out to be another great day in Medellin.

[QUOTE=JackTaggart;2711033]This might be true for many, but I am having great luck with overnights, unlimited pops, bareback, and cip with a chill girl that I trust. This is in Bogota though. I have also met a good platonic friend that's wants 0 from me and we hangout. Also some good no clock watching more occasional encounters. I don't like the instagram model types and prefer girl next door spinners that speak english and provide GFE. I am not that handsome, average build, and late 30's. I speak no Spanish. Cost 200 k for 3 ish hours to 600 k for 24 hours. Or 0. I have 5 or 6 that I have had to slow roll.

I agree if you are there for a short stay it might not be worth it, but if it were 2+ weeks and you like the type of situation I do, it could be worth it. Yes I spend more than a quick 20 minute stay, but minute for minute or pop for pop I think my cost averages down. Of course there is no right or wrong and everyone is looking for something different.[/QUOTE]Channeling Star Wars, jeje, hope you don't mind.

[QUOTE=Sukhanna1983;2711001]I have tons of points I can use. Is Marriott girl friendly? Are they okay bringing in girls?[/QUOTE]Marriott in Bogota and Cartagena are girl friendly but the one in Medellin is not.

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[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711034]I'm sometimes guilty of failing to report back on my experiences after getting so much valuable info from the research of those who have gone before me. I don't have much new to add but here are a few corrections and additions that someone might want to make to the Medelland Monger Map & Chica List:

1) IDK if I just heard wrong but the rate I was quoted for a 30 minute session at the Jade Spa MP in Poblado was an absurd 160 k COP (WTF! Needless to say, I didn't take them up on it.

2) Went by Zandaly MP on Sunday afternoon (before 4 pm) and found it closed, but it was reopened the following morning, so hours need to be corrected on the list.

3) I found a small MP that isn't on the map or list around the corner from Zandaly on Cra 57 a. Sorry, I don't have the exact address (#46-35 I think) but the entrance is directly in front of a concrete bench. I also didn't get the rates and hours (I know, I know, lousy scouting). But it had 3 chicas on a Sunday (2 decent, 1 ugly) with a hotter one arriving just as we were leaving. I didn't partake but my buddy did and he described it as the best fuck of his life (but maybe he doesn't get around enough).

4) Also stopped at New Life and had a pretty decent session though definitely not the best of my life. Like a previous poster reported, I also got the request for a 50 k tip for BBBJ (WTF?) on top of the 55 k fee for CBJ & CFS, which I paid bcuz a) it was my 1st fuck in Medellin after landing and I was horny b) $30 still seemed like a bargain from my recently arrived perspective and c) I was caught off-guard because I hadn't seen that previous post and didn't know any better.[/QUOTE]Great post! Would love to meet up when I am there and just follow you around hahahahha. I'll buy the drinks.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711110]There is some kind of energy at Ground Zero I have never felt before, anywhere else in the world.
there is some kind of mystical karma magic in the air,.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go as far as you, but I agree w your sentiements. The people are down to earth, humble, simple (in the nice meaning of the word), and fun loving. Its like thailand actually, for me at least.

At night it does turn in to scene from zombie apocalypse though.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711110]There is some kind of energy at Ground Zero I have never felt before, anywhere else in the world. Maybe because sex workers have been plying their trade there for generations, hundreds of years, at the Church at Ground Zero, there is some kind of mystical karma magic in the air, I don't know what it is but I feel it. .[/QUOTE]Well for some, it might sound like your on something, and in a daze, but all kidding aside, I enjoyed Centro much more several years ago before the arrival of the Venezuelans or the hordes of mongers that have shown up on it's shores.

I remember when a gringo sighting was a rarity, and a total novelty to the girls, but nowadays a totally different landscape.

And don't get me wrong, I still ply the streets, and have good and new experiences, but it's just not the same as before.

[QUOTE=DCups;2711074]Good job, mate. Nice jugs and fresh milk.[/QUOTE]I fell sorry for the little baby, he missed his afternoon feeding because his Mommy was sucked dry. LOL.

[QUOTE=JonnyPokerStar;2711099]The metro is the safest cleanest place in the city.[/QUOTE]The Metro is great. But don't be afraid to also try the buses. It's a long walk down from the Parque Lleras / Parque Poblado area to the Poblado Metro station (LOL, and an even longer walk back up). Sure it can be done in 10-15 minutes or so (or you can wait for a bus or take a taxi back up the hill) but there's a much easier and direct way to get to El Centro.

Buses pickup at a stop just a few meters north of Parque Poblado on Cra 43a (that's the main drag by the park). The bus to look for is #135 (if you forget the #, there are maps at that bus stop showing the routes). It comes by every few minutes and takes <20 minutes to get to El Centro and the fare is just 2550 COP (vs 12-14k COP for a taxi which isn't much faster, or adventurous). It's a straight shot with few stops (or at least none very long) but it makes a little loop near San Antonio and can get caught up in traffic before getting to Berrios so I usually just get off at San Antonio and walk the last few blocks.

Coming back from El Centro is a lot more confusing (unless you have the Moovit app on your phone), so you might prefer to just take the Metro (and the walk back up the hill, ugh) but I never shy away from a challenge. You might need to ask nearby bystanders exactly which bus stop you need (and, LOL, get a dozen different incorrect answers). Beyond that basically your choice is to look for that #135 bus (#130 or #130a also work) where you got off at Parque Berrios (but a lot of other buses also stop there possibly making that option too confusing) or, what I prefer, walk 2 blocks east to the main drag (Cra 43a) and catch any of those buses where they're heading in the right direction (south).

As you can tell, I like to provide complete detail (hence my handle) and probably make this sound more confusing than it's worth, but it's really not all that hard and I feel it's always better to have too much info than too little. Taking local buses is not about saving money (though there's that too). They're about experiencing a place like a native, thus adding to the adventure.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711275]Taking local buses is not about saving money (though there's that too). They're about experiencing a place like a native, thus adding to the adventure.[/QUOTE]'Appreciate it.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711275]Coming back from El Centro is a lot more confusing (unless you have the Moovit app on your phone), so you might prefer to just take the Metro (and the walk back up the hill, ugh) but I never shy away from a challenge. [/QUOTE]If you take the Metro, you can then take the Metro bus (the green one) up Calle 10 to Provenza or anyplace in between. It also goes further than Provenza, but I haven't checked the route. I think if you use the Metro card for the bus immediately after using the Metro train, the bus is free.

As for the Moovit app, I have found it to be of limited value. It will show the route between two points, but it's bus schedule is very unreliable. I have waited 30 minutes for a bus that is shows runs every 10 minutes.

I haven't really seen this talked about, but what attire do you guys usually use for going out (e. G, to the club, restaurants, etc)?

I'm packing slightly more formally than I do on other (non-monger) trips where I frequently traveled in gym clothing.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711275]The Metro is great. But don't be afraid to also try the buses. It's a long walk down from the Parque Lleras / Parque Poblado area to the Poblado Metro station (LOL, and an even longer walk back up). Sure it can be done in 10-15 minutes or so (or you can wait for a bus or take a taxi back up the hill) but there's a much easier and direct way to get to El Centro.

Buses pickup at a stop just a few meters north of Parque Poblado on Cra 43a (that's the main drag by the park). The bus to look for is #135 (if you forget the #, there are maps at that bus stop showing the routes). It comes by every few minutes and takes <20 minutes to get to El Centro and the fare is just 2550 COP (vs 12-14k COP for a taxi which isn't much faster, or adventurous). It's a straight shot with few stops (or at least none very long) but it makes a little loop near San Antonio and can get caught up in traffic before getting to Berrios so I usually just get off at San Antonio and walk the last few blocks.

Coming back from El Centro is a lot more confusing (unless you have the Moovit app on your phone), so you might prefer to just take the Metro (and the walk back up the hill, ugh) but I never shy away from a challenge. You might need to ask nearby bystanders exactly which bus stop you need (and, LOL, get a dozen different incorrect answers). Beyond that basically your choice is to look for that #135 bus (#130 or #130a also work) where you got off at Parque Berrios (but a lot of other buses also stop there possibly making that option too confusing) or, what I prefer, walk 2 blocks east to the main drag (Cra 43a) and catch any of those buses where they're heading in the right direction (south).

As you can tell, I like to provide complete detail (hence my handle) and probably make this sound more confusing than it's worth, but it's really not all that hard and I feel it's always better to have too much info than too little. Taking local buses is not about saving money (though there's that too). They're about experiencing a place like a native, thus adding to the adventure.[/QUOTE]When I was living at the south end of Poblado, I often took the bus to Parque Poblado, or any spot in between. Several times I took the bus to El Centro. There are also the L1 and L2 bus lines which connect with the Metro at Industriales, convenient for going to Belen, and the Migracion office.

One nice thing about the busses, they'll stop anywhere to pick you up, if you flag them down and they'll stop anywhere to let you off. They're also a good option to get rid of all the coins you end up with.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2711308]If you take the Metro, you can then take the Metro bus (the green one) up Calle 10 to Provenza or anyplace in between. It also goes further than Provenza, but I haven't checked the route. I think if you use the Metro card for the bus immediately after using the Metro train, the bus is free.

As for the Moovit app, I have found it to be of limited value. It will show the route between two points, but it's bus schedule is very unreliable. I have waited 30 minutes for a bus that is shows runs every 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]There's a bus schedule? I honestly thought it was more of a free for all. I've seen 3 busses from the same company, on the same route, racing each other to the next stop, even when 1 bus was completely full and the others were practically empty.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2711308]If you take the Metro, you can then take the Metro bus (the green one) up Calle 10 to Provenza or anyplace in between. It also goes further than Provenza, but I haven't checked the route. I think if you use the Metro card for the bus immediately after using the Metro train, the bus is free. [/QUOTE]The Metro card which is called a Civica only entitles you to ride the bus lines directly connected to the Metro Stations and not the City buses. Entrance to the Metro connected bus stations such as at the Industriales station have a turn-style entrance that reads the Civica card. If you ride the Metro and then the bus or vice versa it's included at no additional charge.

For those wanting to travel from Centro to Poblado, and avoid using the Metro, along with huffing and puffing up Calle 10, there is a bus within a block of Hotel Nutibarra that goes to Parque Poblado a few blocks down the hill from Parque Llears. I've taken it at times when the Metro is shut down and it goes along Avenida Oriental which turns into Avenue Poblado when it leaves Centro.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2711308]If you take the Metro, you can then take the Metro bus (the green one) up Calle 10 to Provenza or anyplace in between. It also goes further than Provenza, but I haven't checked the route. I think if you use the Metro card for the bus immediately after using the Metro train, the bus is free.

As for the Moovit app, I have found it to be of limited value. It will show the route between two points, but it's bus schedule is very unreliable. I have waited 30 minutes for a bus that is shows runs every 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]Yes, you can take the bus up from the Metro station. In fact, when I did it, it even let out right in front of where I was staying at the Hotel Dix. I've also heard that it can be free with a Civica Card if you take it right after taking the Metro (though I'm not quite sure how that works as my card was empty when I did it and I just paid in coins). The drawback to that though is that it's an extra connection, which means an extra wait between the rail and the bus (the last time I did it, I ended up waiting 15-20 minutes and could just as well walked), plus it's not as direct. With the bus direct to/from El Centro, you only have to wait once and it takes you direct to the top of the hill at Parque Poblado with no need to change transport anywhere and I never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes for a bus plying the Cra 43a route.

As for the limitations of the Moovit app, yes I hear you. It's far from perfect though I still found it somewhat useful and FAR better than what's available for bus routes and schedules that you can find for buses in most of Central and South America, which in most areas is virtually non-existent (BTW, why do the few Latin American bus company websites that do exist typically just show pictures of their buses with no route, fare or schedule info?)

Another transportation app I used in Medelln was Cabify and that I found to be even less useful than Moovit. The best that can be said for that app is that you can charge taxi rides to your credit card, which can be very useful for when you first arrive at the airport and don't yet have local currency (though the 2 ATM's right before the airport exit can take care of that) and also the fare to or from the airport comes out a few dollars cheaper than regular taxis. However, everywhere else I tried Cabify the fare came out more (sometimes much more) than a regular taxi, plus it involved waiting a few minutes for it to arrive vs. just jumping in the nearest available cab.

I also tried the Metro app and if you thought Moovit was a pain to deal with then you shouldn't even bother with the Metro app.

Any nice high-end swinger clubs in MDE with decent, younger crowd? Want to give it a try with a chica.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2711331]Any nice high-end swinger clubs in MDE with decent, younger crowd? Want to give it a try with a chica.[/QUOTE]I don't know about high-end, but there are a few. From my experience in the US, the best you can hope for in a younger crowd is maybe an average age in the 30's. Colombia is more focused on physical beauty, so you probably won't find a club where everyone else is old, fat, flabby and ugly.

I'm going on the assumption that you don't regularly visit swinger clubs. If I'm wrong maybe this will be useful for others.

1. Be certain that you and whoever you take can handle it. I've seen and even been involved in some difficult situations caused by both people not being on the same page. In one case, the girl I came with left me there. Fortunately, I had other people I knew to get a ride back. If you're going, hoping to get into a good 3 some, remember that the other woman probably came with another man and he's going to participate as much or more than you. Either you, or the girl you take might not be comfortable with that.

2. Most clubs have nights when single men are allowed in. Colombian clubs have prepagos working to take up the slack, but it's still likely to be a sausage fest and you'll probably draw a crowd of men everywhere you go. I've seen a few women have panic attacks over all the men trying to get closer and get a feel.

3. In the US the standard rule is "no means no." If you ask someone else to join you, if they aren't interested, move on. Also touching requires prior permission. In practice it's not absolute, especially with women touching first, but it's always best to ask. I don't know how well that rule is followed in Colombia. It's possible some of the men will get touchy with your girl and she might not be okay with it.

4. Have a plan. It's possible either you or your girl will want to leave shortly after arrival. Agree beforehand how you'll deal with it. My suggestion is to agree to stay for a specific time period. Take your time, watch others and don't push things faster than both are ready for.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711268]Well for some, it might sound like your on something, and in a daze, but all kidding aside, I enjoyed Centro much more several years ago before the arrival of the Venezuelans or the hordes of mongers that have shown up on it's shores.

I remember when a gringo sighting was a rarity, and a total novelty to the girls, but nowadays a totally different landscape.

And don't get me wrong, I still ply the streets, and have good and new experiences, but it's just not the same as before.[/QUOTE]I believe we are writing about the same thing. The vibe, the energy, the carma, the milieu, it changes over time and we all instinctually resist change when we are comfortable. I think that might be one of my many problems. I am uncomfortable being comfortable, jajaajajaaa. Asti Out.

P.S. Reality is for people who can't handle their drugs, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711270]I fell sorry for the little baby, he missed his afternoon feeding because his Mommy was sucked dry. LOL.[/QUOTE]And I had to work harder as a result, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2710926]Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?[/QUOTE]The more signs there are warning against sex tourism, the better that location is for taking chicas, jajajajaa. Seriously, my favorite short time love motel over by Parque Bolivar had more warnings and signs that any hotel I went to. However, it did eventually get shut down and bricked closed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2710958]When you create an account on any "dating" website you will almost immediately begin getting hits from women on that site. Mostly these are from fake accounts maintained by each "dating" website in order to convince you to pay for a subscription.

It's simple. Every similar website from Match to Seeking makes money by convincing men to pay for a subscription. If the only hits you receive in the first few weeks are from a couple of 50+ women you're probably not going to spend $100 or more to talk to them. But, if it appears that dozens, or hundreds of women are dying to meet you, cha-ching.

If you spend the money you can probably find some women on Seeking. You'll probably spend at least double what you would spend elsewhere in order to have sex with them and not all will be interested in sex until they are certain you're a good investment.

Seeking is set up for women seeking some type of arranged support, however some women use it for simple prostitution because they can usually get paid more.

If you expect to travel frequently to Medellin, or you wish to find a woman who will happily let you pay her monthly bills, Seeking might be perfect for you. If you're just making a first trip and hoping to get laid, there are many other options which are cheaper, easier and more reliable.[/QUOTE]Ignore any that are not from Colombia, you are going to get a lot Venezuelans either desperate or scammer, check the last location, if it not Colombia tread with care. 80% of the interests and Messages are filtered applying these rules, I found I get a 50% conversion rate to all multi night PPM arrangements from Genuine girls that I initiated on Seeking.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2711198]Marriott in Bogota and Cartagena are girl friendly but the one in Medellin is not.[/QUOTE]At check in at the Medellin Marriott, the registration you sign has a paragraph that clearly states that there is a $200 charge for bringing girls to your room, even if you are single and make your registration for 2.

I spoke at length with management and he acknowledged that they do not want girls there.

I since have stayed at the San Fernando Plaza and have been fine there as long as I register for 2. Laureles just seems to be much more relaxed and a better overall experience.

I have booked a stay at the Marriott (one of their concepts, I forget) in Cartagena and will see how that goes.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711312]I haven't really seen this talked about, but what attire do you guys usually use for going out (e. G, to the club, restaurants, etc)?

I'm packing slightly more formally than I do on other (non-monger) trips where I frequently traveled in gym clothing.[/QUOTE]Usually jeans, a nice pair of sneakers and either a nice t-shirt or occasionally a polo. I'll also usually bring a light jacket or hoodie in case of rain, although I'll skip the jacket for strip clubs, since I'm usually not going to be hopping from club to club.

By nice t-shirt I usually mean one of the dry wick types. They're comfortable and dressy enough for anyplace I've been in Medellin.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711377]The more signs there are warning against sex tourism, the better that location is for taking chicas, jajajajaa. Seriously, my favorite short time love motel over by Parque Bolivar had more warnings and signs that any hotel I went to. However, it did eventually get shut down and bricked closed.[/QUOTE]I've seen the error in that approach.

A boutique hotel I spent a few days in over Christmas 2017, while my roommate's entire family was visiting from Bogota, had signs in the lobby and pictures of the signs on Booking and other hotel sites. You couldn't check in without seeing the signs and "No guests or visitors" was posted in the rules. I had to wait 10 minutes to talk to reception while a gringo begged and pleaded to get them to allow his obvious working girl visitor come in. He didn't succeed.

The upscale jacuzzi loft I rented last month only stated that guests under 18 weren't allowed. The place was obviously set up for fucking. After I booked, the confirmation email stated "no prostitution", but I figured, provided a bit of discretion was used, it wouldn't be a problem. I was correct and I wasn't the only one breaking the rule.

However, as a general rule, I avoid "no sex tourism" places and I keep things quiet and discreet. That way everyone is happy.

[QUOTE=Sukhanna1983;2711001]I have tons of points I can use. Is Marriott girl friendly? Are they okay bringing in girls?[/QUOTE]I use the Four Points. The first girls is obviously fine, after that I take one of two approaches:

1) Book back to back one or two night reservations (you get a new +1 each time).

2) Discretely bring in girls through the back gate during the day. It locks at like 8 pm and they pay more attention at night.

For $45 to $50/ nt including a great breakfast buffet, onsite spa, waiting taxis, and proximity to the mall I've found it a great place to stay.

That bus continues to the Tesoro mall and stops pretty much anyplace you like on the way. From Tesoro it retraces its route back down to the Metro.

[QUOTE=Prolijo;2711329]Yes, you can take the bus up from the Metro station. In fact, when I did it, it even let out right in front of where I was staying at the Hotel Dix. I've also heard that it can be free with a Civica Card if you take it right after taking the Metro (though I'm not quite sure how that works as my card was empty when I did it and I just paid in coins). The drawback to that though is that it's an extra connection, which means an extra wait between the rail and the bus (the last time I did it, I ended up waiting 15-20 minutes and could just as well walked), plus it's not as direct. With the bus direct to/from El Centro, you only have to wait once and it takes you direct to the top of the hill at Parque Poblado with no need to change transport anywhere and I never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes for a bus plying the Cra 43a route.

As for the limitations of the Moovit app, yes I hear you. It's far from perfect though I still found it somewhat useful and FAR better than what's available for bus routes and schedules that you can find for buses in most of Central and South America, which in most areas is virtually non-existent (BTW, why do the few Latin American bus company websites that do exist typically just show pictures of their buses with no route, fare or schedule info?)

Another transportation app I used in Medellin was Cabify and that I found to be even less useful than Moovit. The best that can be said for that app is that you can charge taxi rides to your credit card, which can be very useful for when you first arrive at the airport and don't yet have local currency (though the 2 ATM's right before the airport exit can take care of that) and also the fare to or from the airport comes out a few dollars cheaper than regular taxis. However, everywhere else I tried Cabify the fare came out more (sometimes much more) than a regular taxi, plus it involved waiting a few minutes for it to arrive vs. just jumping in the nearest available cab.

I also tried the Metro app and if you thought Moovit was a pain to deal with then you shouldn't even bother with the Metro app.[/QUOTE]

I am heading to Medellin in a few days and have made it my new spot over the past year. Spent years in the hobby in Cuba, Venezuela, and Costa Rica. All were amazing in their day, but political changes brought about changes as a destination, especially for mongering. When does the new President take office? In asking this, I realize that changes may not happen immediately (but they could). For example, Cuba was THE place for years, until Castro shut it down literally overnight. Venezuela. Similar but with a change in leadership. You guys have more experience and a better feel for Columbia, since I am a relative newbie (7 times in 2 years). For those there now, have you seen any indication of immediate changes? What are your thoughts about the future. The question relates to those of us traveling to Columbia for mongering, not social, political, or anything else. This is not the forum for that. What I do know, is that a few days from there, I will be banging everything I can that my poor, old, tired, cynical, fat ass will permit. Gentlemen.

Happy hunting.

Snook.

Is Colombia screwed as a destination? Even if the socialist president bans prostitution (which he seems like a new age leftist so he probably won't) the economy is going to turn into Venezuela lite and make it too dangerous.

That's correct, you can use your Civica card on the calle 10 bus route from the Metro station but it is not a free transfer. I think the standard fare is 2,550. It's slightly less if you have a senior citizen (60 or older) Civica.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711320]The Metro card which is called a Civica only entitles you to ride the bus lines directly connected to the Metro Stations and not the City buses. Entrance to the Metro connected bus stations such as at the Industriales station have a turn-style entrance that reads the Civica card. If you ride the Metro and then the bus or vice versa it's included at no additional charge.

For those wanting to travel from Centro to Poblado, and avoid using the Metro, along with huffing and puffing up Calle 10, there is a bus within a block of Hotel Nutibarra that goes to Parque Poblado a few blocks down the hill from Parque Llears. I've taken it at times when the Metro is shut down and it goes along Avenida Oriental which turns into Avenue Poblado when it leaves Centro.[/QUOTE]

The new President assumes power August 7. The only change has been the reversal of suspensions of several mayors including Daniel Quintero of Medellin. They were suspended for breaking the law that prohibits them engaging in political campaigns for national candidates while in office. That is specific to the election; no policy changes will take place before August. Enjoy your visit.

[QUOTE=Snook;2711430]I am heading to Medellin in a few days and have made it my new spot over the past year. Spent years in the hobby in Cuba, Venezuela, and Costa Rica. All were amazing in their day, but political changes brought about changes as a destination, especially for mongering. When does the new President take office? In asking this, I realize that changes may not happen immediately (but they could). For example, Cuba was THE place for years, until Castro shut it down literally overnight. Venezuela. Similar but with a change in leadership. You guys have more experience and a better feel for Columbia, since I am a relative newbie (7 times in 2 years). For those there now, have you seen any indication of immediate changes? What are your thoughts about the future. The question relates to those of us traveling to Columbia for mongering, not social, political, or anything else. This is not the forum for that. What I do know, is that a few days from there, I will be banging everything I can that my poor, old, tired, cynical, fat ass will permit. Gentlemen.

Happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snook;2711430]...Mongering and the election...[/QUOTE]It's been discussed. Look up posts from Sunday and Monday, and here.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?3946-Stupid-shit-in-Medellin[/URL]

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711312]I haven't really seen this talked about, but what attire do you guys usually use for going out (e. G, to the club, restaurants, etc)?...[/QUOTE]It has been discussed but it goes in cycle. Jeans will be fine. Just wear what you feel comfortable. Skinny jeans is popular in El Poblado but not so much in El Centro.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711443]It has been discussed but it goes in cycle. Jeans will be fine. Just wear what you feel comfortable. Skinny jeans is popular in El Poblado but not so much in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Oh what's popular in El Centro? More formal attire?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2711416]I've seen the error in that approach.

A boutique hotel I spent a few days in over Christmas 2017, while my roommate's entire family was visiting from Bogota, had signs in the lobby and pictures of the signs on Booking and other hotel sites. You couldn't check in without seeing the signs and "No guests or visitors" was posted in the rules. I had to wait 10 minutes to talk to reception while a gringo begged and pleaded to get them to allow his obvious working girl visitor come in. He didn't succeed.

The upscale jacuzzi loft I rented last month only stated that guests under 18 weren't allowed. The place was obviously set up for fucking. After I booked, the confirmation email stated "no prostitution", but I figured, provided a bit of discretion was used, it wouldn't be a problem. I was correct and I wasn't the only one breaking the rule.

However, as a general rule, I avoid "no sex tourism" places and I keep things quiet and discreet. That way everyone is happy.[/QUOTE]"Hiding in plain sight" is not a good mongering strategy.

[QUOTE=FlAdventurer;2711403]At check in at the Medellin Marriott, the registration you sign has a paragraph that clearly states that there is a $200 charge for bringing girls to your room, [/QUOTE]I'm not into girls but what about women?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2711404]Usually jeans, a nice pair of sneakers and either a nice t-shirt or occasionally a polo. I'll also usually bring a light jacket or hoodie in case of rain, although I'll skip the jacket for strip clubs, since I'm usually not going to be hopping from club to club.

By nice t-shirt I usually mean one of the dry wick types. They're comfortable and dressy enough for anyplace I've been in Medellin.[/QUOTE]Do you think a dress shirt and chinos would be too formal for most clubs and restaurants in Medellin?

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711312]I haven't really seen this talked about, but what attire do you guys usually use for going out (e. G, to the club, restaurants, etc)?
[/QUOTE]Hawaii shirts, psychedelic shorts and flip flops. And bring a bassball cap to blend in when you go clubbing in Manrique.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711579]Hawaii shirts, psychedelic shorts and flip flops. And bring a bassball cap to blend in when you go clubbing in Manrique.[/QUOTE]Are baseball caps out of place in medellin? Heard about the aversion towards shorts and flip flops in Colombia (unless you're in Cartagena), but haven't heard anything about caps.

Googling from back here in Hometown USA, I gather that Colombia, like most of the planet, is experiencing escalating inflation--in Colombia's case, a 21 year high of nearly 10% on an annualized basis. (See [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-06/colombian-inflation-jumps-more-than-expected-to-21-year-high[/URL]#text=The%20 annual%20 inflation%20 rate%20 rose,%25%20 to%204%25%20 target%20 range.).

I'm curious whether any of you guys on the ground in Medellin have noticed some ratcheting up in the basic costs of our hobby: entry charges at the strip clubs, casa base rates, a beer at Barra Executiva? Perhaps as a BM service, ISG should look into creating a Mongering Price Index (the cost of a standardized package of services: (1 HR. CFS, DFK, BBBJ--weighted proportionately by market share among SWs, brothels, clubs, on-line providers).

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711579]Hawaii shirts, psychedelic shorts and flip flops. And bring a bassball cap to blend in when you go clubbing in Manrique.[/QUOTE]I am sure you could have come up with something better than that.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711449]Oh what's popular in El Centro? More formal attire?[/QUOTE]It depends on the time, and place, there are a lot of office workers working in this area, tourists, street vendors, working girls so you are likely to see all kinds. I go to clubs wearing shorts, sometimes flipflops but that is just me. You can watch youtube videos to get a better idea.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2711584].. have noticed some ratcheting up in the basic costs of our hobby: entry charges at the strip clubs, casa base rate...[/QUOTE]I see some difference between now and before pandemic.

[B]Local inflation[/B]:

Coffee price from the wholesales vendor under metro near Plaza Botero.

Before: 200.
After:400.

Street food near Plaza Botero:

Before: 4-5 mil.
After: 6 mil.

[B]Gringo inflation[/B]:

La Isla cover.

Before: 10 mil.
After: 50 mil.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711612]I see some difference between now and before pandemic.

[B]Local inflation[/B]:

Coffee price from the wholesales vendor under metro near Plaza Botero.

Before: 200.
After:400.

Street food near Plaza Botero:

Before: 4-5 mil.
After: 6 mil.

[B]Gringo inflation[/B]:

La Isla cover.

Before: 10 mil.
After: 50 mil.[/QUOTE]Metro fares, rent, groceries. . . I am sure the list is long.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2711432]Is Colombia screwed as a destination? Even if the socialist president bans prostitution (which he seems like a new age leftist so he probably won't) the economy is going to turn into Venezuela lite and make it too dangerous.[/QUOTE]Yes, You should cancel your trip ASAP!

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2711584]
I'm curious whether any of you guys on the ground in Medellin have noticed some ratcheting up in the basic costs of our hobby....
[/QUOTE]I was paying 50 k cop for HH in a casa right before the pandemic in 2020. When I returned, the rate went up to 55 k cop, not a huge deal for me imo. My lunch spot was 12 k Menu del DIA, then it was 15 k, now it is 18 k. Then portion got bigger for a few days when the price went up to 18 k, then it got back to normal portion size.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2711592]I am sure you could have come up with something better than that.[/QUOTE]I was just finishing up breakfast. It was th best I could at the time. Baseball caps. Nearly every person under 30 years old (and many that are older) that lives in 'the barrios' wears a baseball cap 24/7.

[QUOTE=Grizwooos;2711625]Yes, You should cancel your trip ASAP![/QUOTE]Supply and demand my brothers in HiJinx, supply and demand. Decrease demand and puta prices will not go up (obviously when adjusted for inflation and the exchange rate). In fact, isn't there an argument that we are paying less now than say twenty years ago? Not sure, just wondering. . . I've only been here since 2019. I hope to die here, in the middle of a mongering session, "doing what he loved the most," jajaja.

Inflation is high worldwide. It is more impactful for some people than it is for others.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711612]I see some difference between now and before pandemic.

[B]Local inflation[/B]:

Coffee price from the wholesales vendor under metro near Plaza Botero.

Before: 200.
After:400.

Street food near Plaza Botero:

Before: 4-5 mil.
After: 6 mil..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711623]Metro fares, rent, groceries. . . I am sure the list is long.[/QUOTE]Every year things go up, and you add inflation, and things have been jacked way up, especially food products.

However with the USD to COP exchange rate being so favorable, and increasing over time it's a different story compared to other Countries.

In the USA where gas in California is over $ 6 USD a gallon, and in Colombia it's about 9,000 COP per gallon or approximately $ 2.25 a gallon it kind of seems contradictory that Colombia's gas prices haven't gone up like most everything else.

The original post on this topic was in reference to "mongering costs", and although casa's and clubs and bars have been raising their prices, the street scene has not been affected as much, as there are still many many SW's who go for 30,000 COP. And if your into beached whales and glue sniffers they will go for less. LOL.

So in this niche of mongering, prices haven't really risen, but have fallen, especially when the COP was topping out over 4100 COP.

It's hard to imagine at times that for approximately $ 10 USD in Centro, you can get fucked and sucked including a cheap Love Motel.

Ever since Freckle came back from her fingernail injury, there is a different milieu in the room, less passionate, more preoccupied. We had our first ever round of make-up sex, but you only get one of those on your punchcard. She just left after coming for only 30 minutes and asking for money for medicine for her finger. I will see her again but not the next time or two or three when she asks. I gave her the money and told her to get lost without any sex.

After a brief initial period of disappointment, I am content. Freckle and I had that euphoria of new love that forestalled all reality for four weeks. Before Medellin, I could measure that time per new chica in minutes or hours, rarely days, never weeks.

The disco lights were less than 80 mil COP for the two and I love the upgrade. I can almost bet you money that any chica who is willing to show up to your room, after she sees the lights, hears the music, and watches herself in a couple of strategically placed mirrors, will be dancing in her underwear or "interior ropa" in minutes. Obviously, after that, the rest is a cake walk.

I still have not seen Scarlet. She is getting kicked out of her apartment on Monday because I am no longer paying the rent. For my first offer to recapitulate, I told her I would fund a fiesta this weekend at her place, if she would invite every chica I ever met and fucked through her. If half of them show up that should be about ten. I invited my wingman to come for free and he said no, go figure. Different strokes for different folks. His sessions are highly ritualized and predictable so I understand why my party may not sound like fun for him. On the other hand, I have the reputation for fucking anything that moves with a wet hole. Maybe even after it stops moving but before ambient temperature sets in, jeje.

I am headed over to Ground Zero. I also had a less than satisfactory session there last night and that needs to be erased from my memory banks. A little bit scary, that same new chica from Ground Zero showed up at my hotel door a couple of hours after and I don't remember telling her my room number. The front desk did call up but I was already expecting another chica, so from lack of Spanish comprehension I told them to send her up. She turned out to be harmless.

Two unsatisfactory sessions in a row is such a rarity here for me that I am not sure if it ever happened before. A little time, usually a day or less, and the ship rights itself, every time so far. Tomorrow is guaranteed to no one. Not sure, but I think that quote is Biblical.

Ostee Out!

[QUOTE=Snook;2711430]I am heading to Medellin in a few days and have made it my new spot over the past year. Spent years in the hobby in Cuba, Venezuela, and Costa Rica. All were amazing in their day, but political changes brought about changes as a destination, especially for mongering. When does the new President take office? In asking this, I realize that changes may not happen immediately (but they could). For example, Cuba was THE place for years, until Castro shut it down literally overnight. Venezuela. Similar but with a change in leadership. You guys have more experience and a better feel for Columbia, since I am a relative newbie (7 times in 2 years). For those there now, have you seen any indication of immediate changes? What are your thoughts about the future. The question relates to those of us traveling to Columbia for mongering, not social, political, or anything else. This is not the forum for that. What I do know, is that a few days from there, I will be banging everything I can that my poor, old, tired, cynical, fat ass will permit. Gentlemen.

Happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]The Force is strong with this one, too, jeje. Gawd, I would love to hear stories about Cuba from back in the day. Maybe because I grew up in Florida and had awareness well before the Mariel boatlifts, and lived in Miami for five years during the late eighties. I have always been fascinated by Cuba.

[QUOTE=DigLicker;2711432]Is Colombia screwed as a destination? Even if the socialist president bans prostitution (which he seems like a new age leftist so he probably won't) the economy is going to turn into Venezuela lite and make it too dangerous.[/QUOTE]You have a profound understanding of Colombian politics and economics. I'm going to continue to live here despite it all but [B]you[/B] should stay away. At least for 4 more years until the next presidential election. I mean afterall this former-guerilla leftist wants to tax the wealthy and raise the minimum wage and increase pensions for the elderly. The last politician that implemented those kind of radical socialist changes was. Ahh. Ahh, oh yeah. Franklin Roosevelt.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2711584]Googling from back here in Hometown USA, I gather that Colombia, like most of the planet, is experiencing escalating inflation--in Colombia's case, a 21 year high of nearly 10% on an annualized basis. (See [URL]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-06/colombian-inflation-jumps-more-than-expected-to-21-year-high[/URL]#text=The%20 annual%20 inflation%20 rate%20 rose,%25%20 to%204%25%20 target%20 range.).

I'm curious whether any of you guys on the ground in Medellin have noticed some ratcheting up in the basic costs of our hobby: entry charges at the strip clubs, casa base rates, a beer at Barra Executiva? Perhaps as a BM service, ISG should look into creating a Mongering Price Index (the cost of a standardized package of services: (1 HR. CFS, DFK, BBBJ--weighted proportionately by market share among SWs, brothels, clubs, on-line providers).[/QUOTE]I can't really give you the best of information since I don't touch street-walkers, I rarely get my sexercise in the casas or strip-clubs. I haven't seen much of anything with respect to FB girls. Rates are pretty much the same. I. e. 200 mil + taxis (sometimes a little more).

But I really like your idea of a Mongering Price Index. It should be comparable, something like '[URL]numbeo.com[/URL]' which allows you to compare cost of living information (which is crowd-sourced) for various locations. What about something similar for sexual services? So maybe a 1 hour standard 'cita' in Medellin (CFS, DFK, BBBJ) priced in $ compared to the same session in Spain or Thailand or Vietnam or Costa Rica etc.

[QUOTE=BoarderDude301;2710926]Anyone been to San Peter apartments lately. I stayed there twice 2 years ago and it was definitely chica friendly and had an on-site bar. Now seeing Airbnb posts saying "Absolutely no Sex Tourism". And some other very strict rules. Anybody have any intel?[/QUOTE]This will depends on the owner of the apartment, not all Airbnb at San Peters has that saying.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711583]Are baseball caps out of place in medellin? Heard about the aversion towards shorts and flip flops in Colombia (unless you're in Cartagena), but haven't heard anything about caps.[/QUOTE]You've asked more questions prior to a trip than anyone I know. You could find the answer to half these non monger questions about dress and taxis on TripAdvisor. Are you sure you really want to go?

At some point, all of us were new here. But, I can't recall anyone on any forum on ISG that has had as many posts as you with each having a single question.

This is a forum for contributors, not so much question askers unless you put them all in one post and then maybe someone will respond to that single post.

What you really need to do to prepare for your trip is spend a few hours reviewing the city you wish to go, review General Information for the country to see what you can learn there, buy a subscription so that you can communicate with others off forum but only after you have invested time to get up too speed. And then you should also make google your friend and find additional info off forum. Only then should you be at the point with specific questions.

Never ask a question that you can answer yourself with simple research.

Finally, good luck. You seem apprehensive, I believe you said this is your first time. I would recommend you find a buddy to go with you. I think it would make things easier for you.

Good afternoon Gents.

Quick question then I can figure it out from here. Last time in Medellin was about 2018. My regular destination had become the DR. Traveled there 5 times this year alone. But time for a change and aside form taking a 9 hour flight to Brazil I'm thinking Medellin is the place to return.

Is Parque Lleras still the best spot to find girls?

Would you consider Medellin safe for solo travel?

Any help would be appreciated and any additional information anyone would like to supply is welcomed as well.

Thank you.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711636]My lunch spot was 12 k Menu del dia, then it was 15 k, now it is 18 k.[/QUOTE]That seems pretty high, is it in Poblado?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711623]Metro fares, rent, groceries. I am sure the list is long.[/QUOTE]Metro, taxi and bus fares all increase at the beginning of the year.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2711723]Good afternoon Gents.

Quick question then I can figure it out from here. Last time in Medellin was about 2018. My regular destination had become the DR. Traveled there 5 times this year alone. But time for a change and aside form taking a 9 hour flight to Brazil I'm thinking Medellin is the place to return.

Is Parque Lleras still the best spot to find girls?

Would you consider Medellin safe for solo travel?

Any help would be appreciated and any additional information anyone would like to supply is welcomed as well.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Opinions will vary on this, but I don't think Parque Lleras has ever been the best spot to find girls. However, it is still a place where you can find girls.

Is Medellin safe for solo travel? I don't know. I always travel solo and I consider it safe for the way I do things. I know a lot of solo travelers who consider it safe enough to keep coming back.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2711711]You've asked more questions prior to a trip than anyone I know. You could find the answer to half these non monger questions about dress and taxis on TripAdvisor. Are you sure you really want to go?[/QUOTE]I can keep the non monger questions off these forums but what does non monger questions have to do with whether I want to go or not?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;271165]In fact, isn't there an argument that we are paying less now than say twenty years ago? Not sure, just wondering. I've only been here since 2019. I hope to die here, in the middle of a mongering session, "doing what he loved the most," jajaja.[/QUOTE]There were no foreign mongers in Medellin two decades ago as nobody was coming to the murder capital of the World back then.

And is it cheaper now, hell yes, and seems to have gotten cheaper and cheaper due to the exchange rate over the years.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711636]Then portion got bigger for a few days when the price went up to 18 k, then it got back to normal portion size.[/QUOTE]"Soften the blow" of the price increase at first, then back to situation normal. Market research has shown time and time again consumers are sensitive to minute changes in price, quantity, quality, and your statement is consistent with this.

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2711723]Is Parque Lleras still the best spot to find girls?

Would you consider Medellin safe for solo travel?

Any help would be appreciated and any additional information anyone would like to supply is welcomed as well.

Thank you.[/QUOTE]Safe for solo travel, but just like everywhere in the world, still be cautious and pay attention to your surroundings.

Parque Lleras is not the only spot or best spot. It really depends on your preference.

Parque Llerras is more of a night time activities. Club / bars and you got SW standing around there now which is very obvious than before pandanmic. It comes alive after 9 PM.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2711417]I use the Four Points. The first girls is obviously fine, after that I take one of two approaches:

1) Book back to back one or two night reservations (you get a new +1 each time).

2) Discretely bring in girls through the back gate during the day. It locks at like 8 pm and they pay more attention at night.

For $45 to $50/ nt including a great breakfast buffet, onsite spa, waiting taxis, and proximity to the mall I've found it a great place to stay.[/QUOTE]When you do the back to back bookings do they make you check out of your room and get a new one? That would be a pain in the ass. Do they make you give them the name of the new girl when you take the new reservation or can you give it to them later? Do they give you a hard time about it or is it smooth?

[QUOTE=MasterOfNone;2711723]Good afternoon Gents.

Is Parque Lleras still the best spot to find girls?

Would you consider Medellin safe for solo travel?

[/QUOTE]If you want to find higher end street girls, Lleras Park at night is the only place I can think of. Just make sure you know the market. Most girls there over charge gringos. There are clubs right around the park where you all find very attractive girls, again, know the market soi you don't over pay.

I would consider Medellin to be safe if you stick to Poblado, Laureles and ground zero, given that you maintain a low profile and stay sober. With common sense, I think Medellin is generally safe. Also, early am is not as safe. I know a few friends who were robbed at gun point.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711575]Do you think a dress shirt and chinos would be too formal for most clubs and restaurants in Medellin?[/QUOTE]I think you overthink this. You will find it quite upscale if you are staying around areas like El Poblado, or even Laureles to some extend. Or you can judge by what the girls wear.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2711705]This will depends on the owner of the apartment, not all Airbnb at San Peters has that saying.[/QUOTE]I think it's a mistaken identity unless the security at San Peter has a list of what is allowed and not allowed for different units. It just does not make sense.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2711758]When you do the back to back bookings do they make you check out of your room and get a new one? That would be a pain in the ass. Do they make you give them the name of the new girl when you take the new reservation or can you give it to them later? Do they give you a hard time about it or is it smooth?[/QUOTE]I don't need to check out. They let me stay in the same room. I have not needed to give a new name and it has been relatively smooth for the most part. In my last 5 or 6 stays (multiple sub bookings) I've had them call 2 x about it, but I discussed with the Manager and was not charged. The do photo copy the girls passport, so make sure she brings that and is decently well dressed.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2711748]Safe for solo travel, but just like everywhere in the world, still be cautious and pay attention to your surroundings.

Parque Lleras is not the only spot or best spot. It really depends on your preference.

Parque Llerras is more of a night time activities. Club / bars and you got SW standing around there now which is very obvious than before pandanmic. It comes alive after 9 PM.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the response and much appreciate the info.

Just from my last visit I remember Lleras Park being pretty active. And I am thinking along of line of me traveling solo I was assuming that might be my best go for good looking women and keeping in a relatively safe zone.

You mentioned not the "best" spot. Would you mind letting me know what you think is the best spot? Keep in mind cool for a solo traveler.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711759]If you want to find higher end street girls, Lleras Park at night is the only place I can think of. Just make sure you know the market. Most girls there over charge gringos. There are clubs right around the park where you all find very attractive girls, again, know the market soi you don't over pay.

I would consider Medellin to be safe if you stick to Poblado, Laureles and ground zero, given that you maintain a low profile and stay sober. With common sense, I think Medellin is generally safe. Also, early am is not as safe. I know a few friends who were robbed at gun point.[/QUOTE]I was in Medellin down the street from lleras Park in a little store and I remember an older gentleman coming up to me saying tuck my chain in. I took the warning and left the chain in the house the rest of the trip.

I'm thinking lleras park will be my main place until I get out there a bit more and start to feel comfortable.

I agree with you 100% about knowing the market. The market in DR was beautiful until guys forgot how to control their wallet.

What is the current market for Medellin?

Great session today in El Centro. Ninety minutes. I went with a known entity, Pumpkin. Maybe that's a slight cop-out going with a girl who I have been with many times before, but there is always a higher risk when starting up with a new chica, and possibly more excitement. I needed the sure thing after my last two unsatisfactory sessions. I didn't have to worry about keeping close control of my shit as I completely trust here.

We went shopping first to get a new small Blue Tooth speaker for the room. Sounds like shit with THD (Total Harmonic Destruction) probably around ten percent, but I wanted more sound than what my cheap cellular will put out. I got her a new case for her phone as a pre-session regalo for 15 mil COP, and I believe my ROI (Return on Investment) was excellent, but of course that in an intangible.

We went inside the mall nearest the church looking for the Blue Tooth speaker and I had a shot of tequila with a beer chaser, Pumpkin did not order anything.

I also gave her a five minute foot massage at the start and you would've thought we were having sex the way she was moaning. I know a lot of guys here think the extra steps I do are unnecessary and overkill, but I enjoy it and I believe it puts me in a favorable category in their heads. Or you can say I am a pathetic loser that can't get girls without buying them gifts and treating them human beings. That's according to the spin you put on it and what you have to tell yourself to keep your brain happy with your own identity. I believe those kind of comparisons among mongering styles to be an exercise in futility and for the most part never think those thoughts.

I have been around the game long enough not to suffer from SSS (Special Snowflake Syndrome) which happens when guys start to believe they really are different and better and that the puta likes them more than the other guys. A puta can smell this weakness in a mongerer like the way a shark smells blood, and she will feed into it for as long as it takes to get what she wants, including a walk down the wedding aisle. I am happy if after we part ways, she can consider it a "good day at the office".

Soes you know I wasn't totally blowing smoke up your asses, they gave me "my" room back, #201 in the front, with decent WiFi, a view, and I don't think you get any closer to the Ground Zero landmark, the Vera Cruz Cruz church.

She did something new with she said she never did before, 69 or our sides. I love that position. Each person rests their head on the lower inner thigh of the other. Very comfortable, no one has to strain and can concentrate on the genitalia in their face.

Ninety minutes sounds like a long time but I burnt up 30 minutes setting up the new speaker on my phone. The maid let me hang-out in the room by myself for 15 additional minutes after she came knocking, I believe because I tipped her then and the day before.

Secret is sending over another one of her new girls tonight. She will be the fifth. She is the first one who isn't 18 years old, she is twenty and she looks experienced. She looks great in her fotos, but I will reserve judgment until I see her for real. Hopefully get some shots to post. Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2711728]Metro, taxi and bus fares all increase at the beginning of the year.[/QUOTE]Can't remember where I read that. That is considered a huge leap my Colombian standards.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711759]If you want to find higher end street girls, Lleras Park at night is the only place I can think of. [/QUOTE]HIgh end street girls. Now that is a concept I struggle to get my head around. What does "high end" mean? I can't think it means anything, other than high price.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711800]HIgh end street girls. Now that is a concept I struggle to get my head around. What does "high end" mean? I can't think it means anything, other than high price.[/QUOTE]They carry packaged condoms.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711765]I think it's a mistaken identity unless the security at San Peter has a list of what is allowed and not allowed for different units. It just does not make sense.[/QUOTE]Last time I stayed in San Peter (Jan 2022) the front desk would make note of everyone who came in when they checked in w / cedula (ID). They could just report that to each owner I would guess. The one I stayed at and another I saw specifically allowed guests 18+ so I'd say to just look for that within the rules of the stay and save some headache / money.

You nailed it. When they are in Centro they are low end and when they are in Lleras they are high end.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711800]HIgh end street girls. Now that is a concept I struggle to get my head around. What does "high end" mean? I can't think it means anything, other than high price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711800]HIgh end street girls. Now that is a concept I struggle to get my head around. What does "high end" mean? I can't think it means anything, other than high price.[/QUOTE]Obvio he meant "high priced street girls" since he referenced Parque Lleras as opposed to Botero.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2711818]Obvio he meant "high priced street girls" since he referenced Parque Lleras as opposed to Botero.[/QUOTE]Parque Lleras years ago did not have any Centro girls working the park, and seemed like a different breed working, until the Centro girls started working it as well.

I find it amusing that some guys think the girls there are better there than in Centro. And not all of the girls in Centro can work the Park, either not having the skills to deal with foreigners because their client base and experience has always been with locals, are too fat and ugly, and for other reasons.

When I see girls working the Park who also work Centro, I give them credit, and my amusement is thinking about the guys that pull them who fork out 150 K and more, when the same can be had in Centro for a lot less, yet realize that the deed will occur in nicer digs.

Maybe guys think because it's in Poblado, the entertainment district, etc. That the girls will be better, but there's no correlation in my book.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711759]If you want to find higher end street girls, Lleras Park at night is the only place I can think of. Just make sure you know the market. Most girls there over charge gringos. There are clubs right around the park where you all find very attractive girls, again, know the market soi you don't over pay.

I would consider Medellin to be safe if you stick to Poblado, Laureles and ground zero, given that you maintain a low profile and stay sober. With common sense, I think Medellin is generally safe. Also, early am is not as safe. I know a few friends who were robbed at gun point.[/QUOTE]Picking up girls in Lleras Park doesn't make sense to me. I swear I have seen the same girls in el centro as Lleras Park, only difference is the price.

[QUOTE=Orion4;2711449]Oh what's popular in El Centro? More formal attire?[/QUOTE]Obviously a 3 piece tuxedo.

Bro RTFF.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711823]Parque Lleras years ago did not have any Centro girls working the park, and seemed like a different breed working, until the Centro girls started working it as well.

I find it amusing that some guys think the girls there are better there than in Centro. And not all of the girls in Centro can work the Park, either not having the skills to deal with foreigners because their client base and experience has always been with locals, are too fat and ugly, and for other reasons.

When I see girls working the Park who also work Centro, I give them credit, and my amusement is thinking about the guys that pull them who fork out 150 K and more, when the same can be had in Centro for a lot less, yet realize that the deed will occur in nicer digs.

Maybe guys think because it's in Poblado, the entertainment district, etc. That the girls will be better, but there's no correlation in my book.[/QUOTE]This is a recent trend and I noticed this as well. It started happening a couple years ago.

I don't even monger anymore but a couple years ago when I was still hobbying I noticed this as well.

The last couple years the overall quality of all girls as far as physical looks has gone to trash.

During the pandemic this became a mongers paradise and I think the real hot ones got sugar daddies especially from euro mongers.

But in all honesty, for mongering purposes, I'll sacrifice the looks for service. Since I wouldn't want to be seen in public with them anyways.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2711808]You nailed it. When they are in Centro they are low end and when they are in Lleras they are high end.[/QUOTE]That's because Parque Lleras is higher elevation than El Centro.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2711874]This is a recent trend and I noticed this as well. It started happening a couple years ago.

I don't even monger anymore but a couple years ago when I was still hobbying I noticed this as well.

The last couple years the overall quality of all girls as far as physical looks has gone to trash.

During the pandemic this became a mongers paradise and I think the real hot ones got sugar daddies especially from euro mongers.

But in all honesty, for mongering purposes, I'll sacrifice the looks for service. Since I wouldn't want to be seen in public with them anyways.[/QUOTE]Once a "monger" always a monger so you are still mongering. As to the girls, there are plenty of hot ones and always will be. They all come from the same handful of barrios, and when they get desperate for $, they get desperate. They show up in the Centro casas and strip clubs, and when the moment is right couldn't care less what mongers online consider "high end" or not. The scene hasn't changed, nor will it ever. Enjoy gentlemen.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2711874]
I don't even monger anymore but a couple years ago when I was still hobbying I noticed this as well.[/QUOTE]What happened? Too busy with work? Started a monogamous relationship?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2711874]This is a recent trend and I noticed this as well. It started happening a couple years ago.

I don't even monger anymore but a couple years ago when I was still hobbying I noticed this as well.

The last couple years the overall quality of all girls as far as physical looks has gone to trash.

During the pandemic this became a mongers paradise and I think the real hot ones got sugar daddies especially from euro mongers.

But in all honesty, for mongering purposes, I'll sacrifice the looks for service. Since I wouldn't want to be seen in public with them anyways.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said except I get a different feel about the overall quality of the girls, but I have no direct experience since I've only been coming here since 2019. In fact I'm not contradicting you at all. I believe there was some cherry picking going on as a result of the pandemic. But I think the Law of Supply and Demand will assist in replenishing the physical looks or correct the "Lipstick on a Pig" factor, jeje, as younger girls turn 18. That is almost a generational pattern and we are skewed at the moment.

Yes, please tell us, what does it take to get this hobby knocked out of your system? I don't see that ever happening to me. That's not better or worse, that's just how it is.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2711800]HIgh end street girls. Now that is a concept I struggle to get my head around. What does "high end" mean? I can't think it means anything, other than high price.[/QUOTE]Based on my experience, you will find every centro type of girls in Lleras, but not the other way around. Over the years, I've seen so many tastefully dressed 9's and 10's in Lleras with no extra fat, no overly done make-up or perfume in Lleras. I was refering them as "higher end street girls". I would be nearly impossiable to find these girls in Centro.

[QUOTE=GroggyRo;2711806]Last time I stayed in San Peter (Jan 2022) the front desk would make note of everyone who came in when they checked in w / cedula (ID). They could just report that to each owner I would guess. The one I stayed at and another I saw specifically allowed guests 18+ so I'd say to just look for that within the rules of the stay and save some headache / money.[/QUOTE]What I mean is the owner should know San Peter is preferred by mongers. Why even own an unit in San Peter if the owner is against it? Most units are managed by agents and I think the agents want their units occupied to maximize income.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711823]...Maybe guys think because it's in Poblado, the entertainment district, etc. That the girls will be better, but there's no correlation in my book.[/QUOTE]I think that is unlikely. Why do mongers go to El Centro to monger and stay in El Poblado? Why not just eat street food for dinner at 6 mil in El Centro? Do you know there are mongers would not kiss girls at El Centro?

I doubt that girls who can make it in Lleras will continue to work in El Centro. I am saying this because it is like working two jobs. I spent enough time at both places at same period of time to make enough observation. I mentioned it once before, the somewhat attractive girls that I met at Lleras park would not come down to 200 mil for a date during daytime the next day. One did not even reply and she wants extra for BBBJ on top of 300 mil.

Also you can go to La Isla to figure out why the business is far better than before pandemic, but more girls are offering limited services than before with higher price. BTW, this is only one night observation. It is just too crowded to get a table to make me want to go alone again.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711960]I doubt that girls who can make it in Lleras will continue to work in El Centro. [/QUOTE]Sugar Baby is a kept woman. She works Poblado and El Centro. Technically, she doesn't have to work at all but she gets bored sitting at home in her Laureles aparatment. She has a sister in El Centro that can't or won't' work Poblado and she likes to keep her company. I have talked to a few girls who prefer the vibe at El Centro, it's more casual and very sociable.

There's all kinds of reasons why chicas would or wouldn't work both. I am sure there are chicas as you say who only work Poblado but I think it is much more fluid that you described. We are on the outside looking in and unless you get to really know some of these chicas, those reasons would escape you.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711956]Based on my experience, you will find every centro type of girls in Lleras, but not the other way around. Over the years, I've seen so many tastefully dressed 9's and 10's in Lleras with no extra fat, no overly done make-up or perfume in Lleras. I was refering them as "higher end street girls". I would be nearly impossiable to find these girls in Centro.[/QUOTE]A few photos of your 9's and 10's working Lleras would be appreciated. Without photos I would call it BS, no offense.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2711966]Sugar Baby is a kept woman. She works Poblado and El Centro. Technically, she doesn't have to work at all but she gets bored sitting at home in her Laureles aparatment....[/QUOTE]You left out the conditions in my post. Does she make it in Poblado? Does she work at Poblado and El Centro the same day (two jobs)? Also I did not say it is impossible.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2711977]A few photos of your 9's and 10's working Lleras would be appreciated. Without photos I would call it BS, no offense.[/QUOTE]10's are like unicorns; legendary but they do not exist except in your phantasies. I did see a 9 once in Bogota, but I was not in her league and she smartly, wisely ignored me. JLo and Bo Derek once were near 10's but now have slid down the scale due to age and attitude. Try for a 7 or 8, they are doable.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711960]I think that is unlikely. Why do mongers go to El Centro to monger and stay in El Poblado? Why not just eat street food for dinner at 6 mil in El Centro? Do you know there are mongers would not kiss girls at El Centro?

I doubt that girls who can make it in Lleras will continue to work in El Centro. I am saying this because it is like working two jobs. I spent enough time at both places at same period of time to make enough observation. I mentioned it once before, the somewhat attractive girls that I met at Lleras park would not come down to 200 mil for a date during daytime the next day. One did not even reply and she wants extra for BBBJ on top of 300 mil.

Also you can go to La Isla to figure out why the business is far better than before pandemic, but more girls are offering limited services than before with higher price. BTW, this is only one night observation. It is just too crowded to get a table to make me want to go alone again.[/QUOTE]Interesting question as to why mongers go to El Centro and stay in Poblado. For many reasons, which include not wanting to be there after it get's dark, a lack of nice places to stay, and a good variety of places to eat.

But it's much more than that, as there appears to be a perception that because someone mongers in El Centro, that they are either poor or cheap or both which has come up time after time on this board.

In reality, a lot of guys can easily afford the LLeras girls, yet their preference is for the El Centro girls, and the "hunt", and going somewhere that can be totally unpredictable at times, and when a days venture in Centro is complete, they can return to a comfortable place outside of El Centro.

Imagine banging a girl in El Centro in the afternoon, and spending say 50,000 COP out the door, and then having a gourmet meal in Poblado with wine costing upwards of 200,000 COP. This conceptually doesn't register with some guys as being realistic, but there are lots of mongers in Medellin who fall into this category.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711983]You left out the conditions in my post. Does she make it in Poblado? Does she work at Poblado and El Centro the same day (two jobs)? Also I did not say it is impossible.[/QUOTE]Guilty as charged. Powned by reading comprehension, once again. I remember thinking to myself "that doesn't sound like Nounce". Jajajajaja. I was up all night. See my next post.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711956]Based on my experience, you will find every centro type of girls in Lleras, but not the other way around.[/QUOTE]What about the extremely fat and grotesquely ugly girls, or the glue sniffers, or the pregnant girls, or the dazed / stoned girls, or the old hags that work in Centro.

This constitutes at least 50% of Centro in my estimation, and I have yet to see any of them working Lleras, at least not yet.

But who knows, maybe they will start showing up there as well.

Around strip clubs Fase dos and San Diego there seems to be Centro style street walker scene in the smaller alleyways between 10 pm and 2 am. Anyone has experience of pulling street girls from this area? Where do you take them? Are there any ST motels close by?

I will be on ground next week and intend to check this out.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2711956]Based on my experience, you will find every centro type of girls in Lleras, but not the other way around. Over the years, I've seen so many tastefully dressed 9's and 10's in Lleras with no extra fat, no overly done make-up or perfume in Lleras. I was refering them as "higher end street girls". I would be nearly impossible to find these girls in Centro.[/QUOTE]I found a street girl in Manizales coffee region. Everything went well the first time. Tried to get her a second time but she was not interested it seemed. I made eye contact and nodded and walked away towards the hotel. I waited not far away in eye sight for 10 minutes but she kept talking to her friends. Tried two different days. Nearly a month later she approached me at Centro / Botero but I did not stop to chat because I could not remember who she was. Never saw her at Centro again. Month later saw her at Lleras Park. Tried to get her number but she said she had no phone which is BS since she had one in Manizales where she made little money. She found where she belonged. So I achieved the super impossible because I found a Lleras Park girl in three places. All bow please.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2711960]

I doubt that girls who can make it in Lleras will continue to work in El Centro. I am saying this because it is like working two jobs. I spent enough time at both places at same period of time to make enough observation. I mentioned it once before, the somewhat attractive girls that I met at Lleras park would not come down to 200 mil for a date during daytime the next day. One did not even reply and she wants extra for BBBJ on top of 300 mil. .[/QUOTE]Agree 100%. Too many guys say it's the exact same girls in Lleras as there are in El Centro, you just pay more in Lleras. That's only partially true. A girl who normally works El Centro will try to earn in Lleras if she can, but you're going to find very few, if any, girls who have regular success in Lleras at 200/250 k a pop decide to go back to working El Centro for 30/40 k a guy. They'd much rather take it easy and rest up for the night. Why wouldn't they? If a girl can last in Lleras (ie they get enough interest) I would assume they're typically better, at least in looks.

I think the only guys that say the girls are the same are those that primarily focus in El Centro and see one of their girls at Lleras. I've rarely heard the other way around where a guy picks up a stunner in Lleras and the next day sees her on an El Centro street corner.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2712050]Agree 100%. Too many guys say it's the exact same girls in Lleras as there are in El Centro, you just pay more in Lleras. That's only partially true. A girl who normally works El Centro will try to earn in Lleras if she can, but you're going to find very few, if any, girls who have regular success in Lleras at 200/250 k a pop decide to go back to working El Centro for 30/40 k a guy. They'd much rather take it easy and rest up for the night. Why wouldn't they? If a girl can last in Lleras (ie they get enough interest) I would assume they're typically better, at least in looks.

I think the only guys that say the girls are the same are those that primarily focus in El Centro and see one of their girls at Lleras. I've rarely heard the other way around where a guy picks up a stunner in Lleras and the next day sees her on an El Centro street corner.[/QUOTE]Some guys wear rose-colored glasses, while I may have tunned vision, jajajaja. I definitely do not have the enough experience at Poblado to continue, so I am going to beg off this thread.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711993]What about the extremely fat and grotesquely ugly girls, or the glue sniffers, or the pregnant girls, or the dazed / stoned girls, or the old hags that work in Centro.

This constitutes at least 50% of Centro in my estimation, and I have yet to see any of them working Lleras, at least not yet.

But who knows, maybe they will start showing up there as well.[/QUOTE]Hey now the old hags really be putting in that work!!

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2711808]You nailed it. When they are in Centro they are low end and when they are in Lleras they are high end.[/QUOTE]"High End" - it could be various things -.

* High price.
* Better looking.
* More make up / longer nails.
* More plastic.
* Voted for Hernandez.
* Can quote from Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

I have never met any that tick all 6 boxes.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711993]What about the extremely fat and grotesquely ugly girls, or the glue sniffers, or the pregnant girls, or the dazed / stoned girls, or the old hags that work in Centro.

This constitutes at least 50% of Centro in my estimation, and I have yet to see any of them working Lleras, at least not yet.

But who knows, maybe they will start showing up there as well.[/QUOTE]Thanks to the Mongering gods that I've never had to visit the so-called Centro! I just get the shakes hearing about those specimens!! My main source are FB girls, my native is spanish, near native english and basic german now. I've made my solid list of 7's thru 9's, that I used to frequent before the pandemic and will be rekindling flames in August. 100 k or 150 k and with enough speech I get them to stay overnight, just plenty of booze, weed and food and I'm in! Sometimes, if the girl is pretty or its been really nice to me I throw in 50 k extra.

About Lleras, I've never picked from there as when I go to Lleras is either to have a couple of beers in the park or go clubbing in the Techno club nearby along with a preset girl and then after party at my apartment.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711987]Interesting question as to why mongers go to El Centro and stay in Poblado. ...[/QUOTE]For me, there is nothing wrong kissing girls in El Centro. The questions are used to show mongering in El Centro requires more adjustments. Fewer are able to go all in like Osteoknot or LIH69.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2711977]... Without photos I would call it BS, no offense.[/QUOTE]But that can be said to other platforms as well, right? Besides, it's not online where photos are a requirement.

I'm not much of a FASE II guy and have not been for years. But back in the day, the streets were a place for trannies to hang out. May well have changed, but just be careful.

[QUOTE=SankarShetty;2712022]Around strip clubs Fase dos and San Diego there seems to be Centro style street walker scene in the smaller alleyways between 10 pm and 2 am. Anyone has experience of pulling street girls from this area? Where do you take them? Are there any ST motels close by?

I will be on ground next week and intend to check this out.[/QUOTE]

Secret brought me another Nubile Newbie (NN), she would be NN#5 and she was the first one who was not 18 years old, so not as "new". Amazing what two more years of "experience" at P4P will do to a girl, and I don't mean that in a bad way. She had all the moves. I fucked her in three different positions, and we did oral to each other in three different positions, include the foto showing 69. She was the second girl that day who told me she never did 69 in that position before, so take note, we may be onto something. It was kind of funny trying to get her into position with my limited Spanish. She kept flipping from her back to her stomach but not in between on her side (de tu lado) where I needed her. Fortunately, she was small and I physically was able to bend her into the right spot, jejeje.

I love this position for 69 because no one has to hold their head up, it's possible to get totally comfortable while concentrating on the genitalia in your face. Secret must've liked it too because she had her face about six inches from mine for a few minutes while I was eating out her friend. Hawt. Also, even though this chica said "no fotos", Secret used my crappy phone and shot the 69 foto without her friend's knowledge, jajajajajaja. Obviously and by far, the best shot of the session.

While we were exploring each other bodies I found what I thought was a tampon in her vajayjay but when I started pulling on it with the back of my dominant forefinger and the tip of my middle finger (pincer grip, comes in useful when exploring vaginas and you can exercise it to develop it) a scrunched up panita started to unfold. Has anyone here noticed how much panitas control my life? Hilarious, can I get a jajaja? I told her there was not enough room in her wet hole for the panita and my pollo so she jumped up and ran to the bathroom and pulled it out.

We had a prepaid in writing agreement on price. But Secret is Secret and we have a love-hate relationship as a result. Dealing with her is like putting a piece of cheddar cheese in front of a starving rat. You know what will happen next. I told her five times to send the girl alone and she showed up at my door with her. If I send her away, she will come back and knock on my door early more than once. She says she wants to stay and watch, and will keep her friend more relaxed. I don't want to pay extra for a three-way.

First encounters for me are a wash or a getting-to-know-you session. Things generally get hotter and heavier for me when the chica returns.

So Secret come in and watches, at times closely. We are fucked-up tussi by now and she tries to use this to her advantage. After a fantastic session, I gave Secret the money I had counted out earlier, the agreed amount to the peso.

She tired one of her oldest tricks which was to palm one of the cincuenta notes, and exchange it for a five. She pretended like she dropped some money under the bed to do it again but I wouldn't bite. First of all, I knew exactly what I handed her. Secondly, there were definitely no fives in the stack.

In fact, I was going to tip the girl fifty extra because she was hawter than fuk fuk fuk and a great performer. I fucked in three positions, with a condom, and we did oral in three positions without a condom. This was way more activity than I described before we met so she was definitely due an upcharge.

But then Secret for no real reason started her tricks again. I herded them both out the door. I kept the hotel guest card in my hand so the chica could not yet get to her cedula. Once they were out in the hall I retrieved a fifty from my safe, did one final review of my room for any thing out of place but my valuables were already in the safe. I then opened the door, they tried to push there way back in and I tossed her hotel pass and the cincuenta note over their heads, they turned and went for the stuff and I closed the door.

About an hour later, Secret texted me about my rudeness and said she knew that I loved her and hated her at the same time. I responded, guess which one I am feeling at this moment, and then I blocked her, where she remains now.

The play to me is obvious. I will keep her blocked for a week. Then I will contact her and tell her if she ever wants to see or talk to me again, she will send the chica over by herself like she was supposed to do last night. If she doesn't, that is easy for me to live with. I don't chasing waterfalls. No matter how hawt the chica, there is always another one waiting in the wings, in this market. But I will bet money, that she will cave before I do.

In the end, worth it, but aggravating.

Secret is bad and she knows it. Until recently she was my most requested girl. She acts like a porn star and has huge bow ties tattooed on the back of her thighs. I am not making excuses for her, but she can't help it. She is conditioned to behave the way she does. Starving rat. Cheddar cheese.

To that point, save yourself and me the time and trouble. . I have a personal policy of not sharing contact info. This developed over time and from experience. Basically, there is no upside for me, it's either a wash or a downside. Nothing personal. I have shared contact info with guys I met and have gotten to know, but I won't meet with random guys from the Internet for that purpose. I hope you understand. Keep On Keepin' On! Ostee Out.

Ostee Out.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2712084]For me, there is nothing wrong kissing girls in El Centro. The questions are used to show mongering in El Centro requires more adjustments. Fewer are able to go all in like Osteoknot or LIH69.[/QUOTE]Might depend on where your kissing them and perhaps licking them! LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2711977]A few photos of your 9's and 10's working Lleras would be appreciated. Without photos I would call it BS, no offense.[/QUOTE]Yolu do not have any 9's and 10's. You are just overpaying for the same barrio girls that wise guys here get for 55 mil. And you come here week after and week pitching the same nonsense trying to make yourself feel better, but that's all it is, nonsense. Hopefully most here in the forum see that for what it is.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2712082]"High End" - it could be various things -.

* High price.
* Better looking.
* More make up / longer nails.
* More plastic.
* Voted for Hernandez.
* Can quote from Gabriel Garcia Marquez.

I have never met any that tick all 6 boxes.[/QUOTE]"Low End"-it could be various things-.

* Low price.

*Ugly as dogshit.

*Purple or green dyed hair.

*Front teeth missing.

*Can't read or write.

I have met several that tick all 6 boxes.

I forgot to post them. No sleep last night. Obvio which 3 fotos she sent me ahead of time.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2712082]"High End" - it could be various things -.
* High price.
* Better looking.
* More make up / longer nails.
* More plastic.
* Voted for Hernandez.
* Can quote from Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
I have never met any that tick all 6 boxes.[/QUOTE]I think most of the girls I regularly see hit at least 5 of these lo (of course higher price!) l. I've had Marquez come up in more than a few conversations with my non-pro / semi-pro girls. The Colombians are very proud of him. I guess a Nobel Price helps. If you can drop a quote of his in Spanish the panties will drop right then and there!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2712029]I found a street girl in Manizales coffee region. Everything went well the first time. Tried to get her a second time but she was not interested it seemed. I made eye contact and nodded and walked away towards the hotel. I waited not far away in eye sight for 10 minutes but she kept talking to her friends. Tried two different days. Nearly a month later she approached me at Centro / Botero but I did not stop to chat because I could not remember who she was. Never saw her at Centro again. Month later saw her at Lleras Park. Tried to get her number but she said she had no phone which is BS since she had one in Manizales where she made little money. She found where she belonged. So I achieved the super impossible because I found a Lleras Park girl in three places. All bow please.[/QUOTE]Sorry no applause for that one, but you have brought something up as to how some girls migrate from place to place to make bank. I met a street girl in Santa Marta who now travels to Cartagena to work, and when I visited her last, she was talking with a friend about coming to Medellin to work. And she would fit right in at Lleras, however she decided not too come to MDE as she makes bank in CTG.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2711993]What about the ...[/QUOTE]There is a petite blonde at the intersection to the left of the ST hotel botero real. I think she can make it look wise, IMO she probably is in the top 20% of LLeras girls for mongers who like her type.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2712050]Agree 100%. Too many guys say it's the exact same girls in Lleras as there are in El Centro, you just pay more in Lleras. That's only partially true. A girl who normally works El Centro will try to earn in Lleras if she can, but you're going to find very few, if any, girls who have regular success in Lleras at 200/250 k a pop decide to go back to working El Centro for 30/40 k a guy. They'd much rather take it easy and rest up for the night. Why wouldn't they? If a girl can last in Lleras (ie they get enough interest) I would assume they're typically better, at least in looks.[/QUOTE]You said the key words. Regular success. Because they go there and can strike every blue moon does not mean they make an everyday thing out of going there. That is like going to work on Christmas and getting a bonus and deciding to not work any other day that is not a holiday. They still know where their bread is buttered.

It is the same with these facebook chicks. Just because one punter gave them 500,000 does not mean they will from now on only rest up for the 500,000 guys and no longer go with guys for 150,000. They know their base is the 150,000 guy and the 500,000 guy is an occasional bonus.

Just a short walk from New Life, there are two casa located Carrera 45, one is #57-71, called Pamela's; other one is called Dulce Compania, #57-55. Has anyone been to these casas lately? How was your experience. I am leaving Medellin in a few weeks for a while, so would be down to try out some new spots. If anyone wants join, please DM.

There are Centro girls that work Park Lleras but we are looking at roughly 5-7%. They make transport money at Centro and visit Lleras later. Inside the clubs I have no idea but can make an educated guess of a lot less like 1-2%.

Many girls are like me. They do not want to talk mindless crap and snuggle for hours on end or overnight that the Park Lleras guy customers want. The higher the price the more princess attitude comes into play meaning the girls demand less positions and demand a quick nut. Not all, just a higher percentage. Now let's look at it from the girls point of view. The Park Lleras customers are paying high prices so the guys want tons of positions, many nuts, and maybe too much kinky stuff. So in essence the Park Lleras guys are pain in the ass princes to them. Did not see that coming did ya? Sorry but we do not walk on water either.

Many Centro girls are hiding what they are doing which is much easier with a daytime versus a nighttime "job". I bet it is much easier to find a babysitter during the day than at night too. Also, many have boyfriends waiting for them at night.

So many cheap places to eat and drink while waiting for customers in Centro versus Park Lleras for the girls. Also, more friends to hangout with will waiting for customers which many times include their boyfriends.

If the girls are from Centro or further north up to Bello it is too costly in time and money to get to and from Lleras. I believe all the metro lines and buses stop at 11:00 pm. So if she goes with her friends and they find customers and she does not then she is in for a very expensive ride home. The taxi drivers can tell she is in the game and may pressure her for cheap services since late at night and she is all alone. Very scary for the girls.

Most girls are practically guaranteed a customer every 2-3 hours. Not so for the Lleras girls. They have to find the "one" because the Lleras boys are paying more and are thus more picky on who they take.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2712148]Just a short walk from New Life, there are two casa located Carrera 45, one is #57-71, called Pamela's; other one is called Dulce Compania, #57-55. Has anyone been to these casas lately? How was your experience. I am leaving Medellin in a few weeks for a while, so would be down to try out some new spots. If anyone wants join, please DM.[/QUOTE]O went by both of those casas about a month ago and they were both locked up tight.

Greatest Common Denominator and Least Common Denominator.

The best girls at both spots or GCD, are comparable at Lleras and Zero, minus the make-up, the nice clothes, and the plastic at Zero.

The worst girls or LCD are lower at Zero, and you won't find them at Lleras.

I think you nailed it. I can't confirm or deny the percentage since I don't frequent Lleras. I can confirm when I am there I see girls I know from Centro. I know a few Centro girls and they tell me they would like to earn 300 K and up but can't always put together taxi money or hang around Poblado until the first metro and buses start at 5 am All that aside, we must recognize it is worth the money to some to avoid having to leave Poblado. It's all good.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2712153]There are Centro girls that work Park Lleras but we are looking at roughly 5-7%. They make transport money at Centro and visit Lleras later. Inside the clubs I have no idea but can make an educated guess of a lot less like 1-2%.

Many girls are like me. They do not want to talk mindless crap and snuggle for hours on end or overnight that the Park Lleras guy customers want. The higher the price the more princess attitude comes into play meaning the girls demand less positions and demand a quick nut. Not all, just a higher percentage. Now let's look at it from the girls point of view. The Park Lleras customers are paying high prices so the guys want tons of positions, many nuts, and maybe too much kinky stuff. So in essence the Park Lleras guys are pain in the ass princes to them. Did not see that coming did ya? Sorry but we do not walk on water either.

Many Centro girls are hiding what they are doing which is much easier with a daytime versus a nighttime "job". I bet it is much easier to find a babysitter during the day than at night too. Also, many have boyfriends waiting for them at night.[/QUOTE]

Both those locations have been closed for years.

[QUOTE=HoustonTxJake;2712317]O went by both of those casas about a month ago and they were both locked up tight.[/QUOTE]

I am pretty sure I've never seen even one guy say "it's the exact same girls" in Lleras and Centro.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2712050]Agree 100%. Too many guys say it's the exact same girls in Lleras as there are in El Centro, you just pay more in Lleras. That's only partially true. A girl who normally works El Centro will try to earn in Lleras if she can, but you're going to find very few, if any, girls who have regular success in Lleras at 200/250 k a pop decide to go back to working El Centro for 30/40 k a guy. They'd much rather take it easy and rest up for the night. Why wouldn't they? If a girl can last in Lleras (ie they get enough interest) I would assume they're typically better, at least in looks.

I think the only guys that say the girls are the same are those that primarily focus in El Centro and see one of their girls at Lleras. I've rarely heard the other way around where a guy picks up a stunner in Lleras and the next day sees her on an El Centro street corner.[/QUOTE]

When I was negotiating with Secret over Sweetie Pie, I told her with condom for fucking and bareback for oral.

She replied, "Of course, darling. You know we always do it that way. Would I ask you to suck her breasts while she was wearing a bra?

I like it.

Oh, and I added a foto of what I described as the "pincer grip" in my previous post, used for removing unwanted foreign objects from pussy. You can exercise this grip to make it stronger.

This is spot on. Guys who have not been to one location or the other can use this information to decide whether it's worth their time to experience the location they have not visited and see for themselves.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2712323]Greatest Common Denominator and Least Common Denominator.

The best girls at both spots or GCD, are comparable at Lleras and Zero, minus the make-up, the nice clothes, and the plastic at Zero.

The worst girls or LCD are lower at Zero, and you won't find them at Lleras.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2712337]When I was negotiating with Secret over Sweetie Pie, I told her with condom for fucking and bareback for oral.

She replied, "Of course, darling. You know we always do it that way. Would I ask you to suck her breasts while she was wearing a bra?

I like it.

Oh, and I added a foto of what I described as the "pincer grip" in my previous post, used for removing unwanted foreign objects from pussy. You can exercise this grip to make it stronger.[/QUOTE]Is that an IUD you pulled out there bro? 😆.

I hate when they have foreign objects like tampons or IUDs stuffed inside the pussy. I usually make them take it out or if they won't take it out I'll opt for anal. I prefer when they have the IUD type device in their arm as opposed to in their cucas.

-Gabacho.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2712153]...So in essence the Park Lleras guys are pain in the ass princes to them. Did not see that coming did ya? Sorry but we do not walk on water either....[/QUOTE]My observation is different, I think these customers are easy, that is why some girls, the ones I encountered anyway, offered limited service and limited time. I think these customers are similar to La Isla customers, and the same thing happened in La Isla, higher price with simple (limited) service.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2712153].. The taxi drivers can tell she is in the game and may pressure her for cheap services since late at night and she is all alone. Very scary for the girls...[/QUOTE]Many FB girls live in Bello and they do exactly what you described, I have never heard it happened before, at least it is not common.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2712350]Is that an IUD you pulled out there bro?

I hate when they have foreign objects like tampons or IUDs stuffed inside the pussy. I usually make them take it out or if they won't take it out I'll opt for anal. I prefer when they have the IUD type device in their arm as opposed to in their cucas.

-Gabacho.[/QUOTE]Fishing line, a the opening of the cervix deeper inside. I you dig acournd deep enough, you will find the cervix, it feels like a rubbery nob, about as hard as the tip of your nose.

On the other hand, this was clearly a folded up toalla humeda or panito outside the uterus, in the vaginal vault. And she did not stop my from trying to remove it. She noticed a couple of drops of blood earlier and was just using the panito as a last-minute barrier.