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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1515077]You are absolutely right. Fiona was US$275 for 10 hours. Pim was US$366 for 8 hours. A quick search for escort agencies in Germany turned up Kay Escorts. They charge from €1650 to €2250 for eight hours. Bangkok is a mongers paradise. Less than US$100 for a good oilie massage with a-level, same for ST with a gogo girl. Two hours with a very good escort will set you back less than US$185. You can get your rocks off in a BJ bar for about US$20 and at some venues satisfy your exhibitionistic or voyeuristic tendencies for no extra charge. Something for every budget.[/QUOTE]Honestly I never believe much to the rates demanded in western world as I doubt there is sufficient demand to feed escorts at 1500€ or more for the 8 hrs. There is indeed people capable too but not as much to sustain the offer / supply. There have been reports of girl escorting at very high levels (politicians) happy to get 1000€ for a night. When probably their menu card goes for 2500.
Nevertheless, even discounting those rates at 50, the difference is still substantial as a ratio between western FL-WG-SW / escort and the equivalent in Thailand. As you proved.
A top SW might ask 100€ for an hour or so and an escort will ask for 500/800.
A top Thai gogo will demand 100€ (4000b,) for LT and the local escort will go for 6/8000b.
A gogo girl will have side costs (BF, LD, drinks) , an escort will be less demanding.
The only big question mark on escorts is: who do you get when you open the door?
Confidence and trust and experience with the agency is a must.
That is the key point of the whole plot.
Let me also add that a Thai (Asian too?) might offer more in terms of GFE and PSE. I don't have experience but my feeling is that western escorts, apart possible up sells, in general deliver the minimum. Add, as a last factor, the possible side costs: a western escort will demand high class restaurants, bars hotels etc. A Thai one, even if not ready to eat on the sidewalk might be ok for an ordinary restaurant, not costing an arm and a leg. Of course someone ready to spend above average is also someone enjoying life as a whole and will not think even to bring his Thai escort to a street restaurant, but that is another story.
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[QUOTE=BionicMan;1515106]Confidence and trust and experience with the agency is a must.[/QUOTE]Indeed it is!
[QUOTE=BionicMan;1515106]Let me also add that a Thai (Asian too?) might offer more in terms of GFE and PSE. I don't have experience but my feeling is that western escorts, apart possible up sells, in general deliver the minimum. Add, as a last factor, the possible side costs: a western escort will demand high class restaurants, bars hotels etc. A Thai one, even if not ready to eat on the sidewalk might be ok for an ordinary restaurant, not costing an arm and a leg. Of course someone ready to spend above average is also someone enjoying life as a whole and will not think even to bring his Thai escort to a street restaurant, but that is another story.[/QUOTE]My personal experiences are that generally you are right, at least regarding the GFE; and that the western escort will be higher maintenance. There are western escorts who can deliver a PSE but you will pay a lot for it. As for GFE with a western escort, it won't happen. Perhaps with a rare lady whom you've developed a relationship. There are a small number of very high end escorts who see a very small number of clients, offer an excellent GFE and are very expensive. They are really more like courtesans. In my opinion, across the board, the sex workers you meet in Bangkok are much better company than those you will encounter in any western city. Guys in Bangkok might feel unlucky if they encounter a cold, mercenary gogo girl or FL. Anywhere in the west that is to be expected.
One can lose perspective living in Bangkok and forget how good it is there compared to most of the rest of the world.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1515039]Natty, you are one of several gentlemen on this forum whose posts I look forward to reading. Your point about a few of the G-club girls being stunning but not truly model quality (which is why they're in G-clubs and not modeling) applies to Goldie's ladies. None of the ones I've been with look like models. But they are really good looking, like the really good looking ladies you'll find in gogos and better looking ladies in the G-clubs; and with rare exceptions like Aor (#24) at Annie's, you won't find ladies in the MPs that look as good. The thing I like about the BKK Gold ladies is they are the total package, good looking, well dressed, good social skills, good English skills and you can be certain the sex will be very good. You never have to wonder if a tired lady who has been fucked too times over the past few days will show up at your door. If you know the sex scene very well, you can meet and get to know a few really good ladies who are great performers and cost less, but it can take some time to find them.
Traditionally, escort agencies have catered to businessmen who want no hassles, a sure thing, a quality lady and aren't worried about the cost. They know the going rate in a particular market and are comfortable paying it.
As you point out, tastes very from man to man, my advice with any escort agency is to tell the agency what you like and don't like. A good agency will try to recommend the right lady for you. I do that with BKK Gold and have learned to trust their recommendations.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the excellent advice Paul. I am 100% going to try out a BKK escort service for the 1st time in many decades when I visit in March : (1) well dressed & presentable (2)"powerful Engrishh" (3) NOT tired out by way too many customers by the time you get her. Actually Fiona at $ 275 for 10 hours is a steal : just a tad over double the MINIMUM wage in California.
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[QUOTE=SailSingapore;1515205]Thanks for the excellent advice Paul. I am 100% going to try out a BKK escort service for the 1st time in many decades when I visit in March : (1) well dressed & presentable (2)"powerful Engrishh" (3) NOT tired out by way too many customers by the time you get her. Actually Fiona at $ 275 for 10 hours is a steal : just a tad over double the MINIMUM wage in California.[/QUOTE]Yep, Bay Area was my home base for over 20 years. US$27.50 an hour does sound very reasonable, but that is for 10 hours. If you book her for two hours she costs US$76.34 an hour. My 8 hours with Pim at BKK Gold cost US$45.80; but frankly, she's prettier and much more experienced. For comparison, two hours with an MP will set you back about US$45.80 an hour (based on 3000 for 2 hours). ST with a gogo girl costs about $64.80 per hour (BF = 600 and 1 hour ST at 1500.) Plus you have lady drinks, not to mention your drinks. On the 8 to 10 hour booking we do go out for dinner and hit a club, which costs another 2000 to 3000; but for some reason I mind that less than the lady drinks. I'm a light drink and I find the escorts limit themselves to one drink.
As for Fiona, be aware. Read my post. We all have different tastes and a lady that is right for me may be wrong for you. While generally I prefer the experienced ladies, I have a taste for an occasional young newbie. While she was just what I was looking for you may want a lady with a little more experience. Of course by March Fiona will have had three months of high season experience; and I would no longer consider her a newbie.
Tell the agency what type of lady you're looking for and ask for guidance.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch; 1515241]Yep, Bay Area was my home base for over 20 years. US$27. 50 an hour does sound very reasonable, but that is for 10 hours. If you book her for two hours she costs US$76. 34 an hour. My 8 hours with Pim at BKK Gold cost US$45. 80; but frankly, she's prettier and much more experienced. For comparison, two hours with an MP will set you back about US$45. 80 an hour (based on 3000 for 2 hours). ST with a gogo girl costs about $64. 80 per hour (BF = 600 and 1 hour ST at 1500.) Plus you have lady drinks, not to mention your drinks. On the 8 to 10 hour booking we do go out for dinner and hit a club, which costs another 2000 to 3000; but for some reason I mind that less than the lady drinks. I'm a light drink and I find the escorts limit themselves to one drink.
As for Fiona, be aware. Read my post. We all have different tastes and a lady that is right for me may be wrong for you. While generally I prefer the experienced ladies, I have a taste for an occasional young newbie. While she was just what I was looking for you may want a lady with a little more experience. Of course by March Fiona will have had three months of high season experience; and I would no longer consider her a newbie.
Tell the agency what type of lady you're looking for and ask for guidance.[/QUOTE]Thanks again Sir! Fiona sounds like my type. I like them young newbies. She looks cute on the website. I tried Tarawadee last time (pretty high proced for a few hours ). Here is my FR for what it is worth!
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FR on Tarawadee Resort & Spa from last night.
Got into BKK at 6pm (excellent chilled Laurent Perrier Champagne on TG) after 5 nights of frantic mongering & hip-hopping in (of all the places) Yangon & checked into Novotel Suvarnabhumi for just a night in transit.
Took a cab to Tarawadee (250 THB & 25 minutes) on a rather damp evening. Nice big lobby with large restaurant, excellent 5 piece live band, lots of pretty "models" sitting in banked rows across from the dining area. NO FARANGS (just moi) and about 30 local patrons. Called over one of the many suited mama-sans (Ms AE) and bought her a margarita (the 1st of the 5 she eventually drank). The rates range from something like 2800 to over 5000 for 1:30 hours. Asked for a "nice friendly" girl who spoke a bit of English so she called over pretty 22 year old AOM from BKK (4800 THB). Asked the ladies to order food, drinks while I steadily drank 2 large bots of Heineken. Ladies had 2 margarita's & 2 cherry liqueur's and munched away steadily for an hour. Paid bill for food / drinks / lady in advance so all were happy.
Then took the elevator up to the regular room (not VIP). Nice large hotel-style room with excellent aircon, lots of clean towels & clean large bed, large open plan bathroom with large tub, sink & urinal! Put tv on football & asked room service lady for 3rd large Heineken bot with ice. AOM stripped : a large but fit girl (goes to gym every day & play badminton) with a HUGE all-natural rack We proceeded to the tub where she gave me a good wash & onwards to bed. Full service capped BJ, catbath etc. Now drunk & excited I gave her a good pounding for quite a while (cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, asian cowgirl, kneeling doggie, standing doggie, deep dish, mish & back to asian cowgirl with AOM's huge tits swinging crazily above my face : she came twice with deep moans (once midway in the action) before I too exploded simultaneously with her after about 45 frantic minutes. Wow wow wow!
Washed. Fresh towels for 2nd bath ofcourse.
We went down back to the restaurant & caught mama-san AE : AOM said she was satiated & exhausted & wanted to go home sooooo we again started drinking : I had my 4th & 5th bots of H and the ladies ate a huge plate of fresh fruit. 3rd. 4th then 5th margarita & 3rd cherry Liq till about 11:30 pm. Tarawadee shuts at 12 or 12. 30 so lots & lots of pretty girls were now milling around. One farang in yellow shorts came in, checked the price & RAN! Many locals listening to the band & drinking / eating. I tipped mama-san & AOM and was ready to roll.
Now quite pissed after 5 bots I took a cab back to Novotel (225 THB & 20 minutes as no traffic)
Checked my wallet in the morning & found I spent a total of 15, 000 THB on a very pleasant night.
Will surely visit Tarawadee again but next time will be wiser & take 2 girls at 4800 each for a sextifying session.
Ms AOM informed me that she has holidayed in several countries including Singapore. In a classic twist of fate, she & her 4 friends are taking a 5 day holiday to Japan in October (she says its a holiday and not for "working" illegally in Japan) : Tarawadee wl's seem to be earning well : they holiday in Japan
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[QUOTE=SailSingapore;1515673]Thanks again Sir! Fiona sounds like my type. I like them young newbies. She looks cute on the website.[/QUOTE]But notice, you can tell by the photos I posted she doesn't look as she appears in the website photos. She does have a petite body, soft but with no extra fat.
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[QUOTE=Paul Kausch;1515699]But notice, you can tell by the photos I posted she doesn't look as she appears in the website photos. She does have a petite body, soft but with no extra fat.[/QUOTE]Hello all!
I'm new here, but I read some threads and I wanted to ask Paul if Bangkok Gold Escorts really sends women in those photos. I don't want any photoshop you know? It'll be my first time in Thailand from Italy and reading about Go Go Girls makes me think I should probably stick with escorts and soap massage / oil massage ladies. I like the really stunning ones. I hope I'll get a chance to book with the ones from Goldie.
Are there any others you recommend? I would've PM'd you, but I cannot without my first post.
Thanks Paul and everyone in advance!
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Yes, I know now about the subscription. I'll wait and see if I'll need one.
I was reading some threads and saw the difference in opinion as to escort vs. go go girls.
The main difference has to do with cultural beliefs that arise from currency values.
For me, coming from a working class family in Western Europe, it is still pretty bad to go with a Go Go Girl in Thailand investment wise. Too much hassle.
€50 (2250 baht) is the bare minimum (and I do mean minimum unless you want to contract HIV) price tag to go with a street girl (the lowest of the low) here and the service is horrible!
You basically have sex in the car or in the woods with either an eastern European, Chinese or an African. A lady that will vary from 1-8/10, CBJ and no anal for like 15-20 min.
Escorts on the other hand is €200 (9000 baht) for incalls in 4-star hotels. However, no anal, very few offer rimming and it's for 1hr.
The ladies are all Russians and Ukrainians in their 20's, university students and some of them are beautiful but most are 7-8.
I have very strict tastes so it depends. I had sex with only 2 women that were 10/10 on the scale, most were 7-8's with a few 9's.
Thus, spending €90 (6000 baht) for me to spend 2hrs with a spendid, clean Thai girl who does anal, rimming and will take a shower with you is awesome and a very positive change!
I see it as a very good investment compared to what we have here. Ofc, if I were to live in Thailand I would say that someone who spent 9000 baht for an escort is crazy, but it's all cultural relativism really.
In France they spend even more (€250 as opposed to €200 for 1 hour incalls) and we say they are nuts LOL!
Paul Kausch,
I think you are very genuine, Paul. Thanks for your kindness in sharing your experiences and I hope you will tell me the best escorts because it'll be my first time in Bangkok (some months from now).
Need to start saving and planning well.
I like Stefani from bangkokescorts. I emailed them today to ask about pictures and if she does rimming. They assured me within 20 minutes that the pictures are genuine and that she does rimming. Hope this is true, but I hope others don't mind sharing.
I will try Goldie because of the reviews if I can book them. My plan is to go with 10 beautiful (10/10 model looking) Thai women during my stay between escorts, soap massage girls. Models or sideliners, oil massages etc.). Saving money and planning is fundamental not to overspend. Fortunately the € is pretty strong.
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First time in BKK then you have it backwards. Forget escorts. Go spend some time in Nana and Cowboy. You'll have a blast!
[QUOTE=Tigercountry; 1516133]Hello all!
I'm new here, but I read some threads and I wanted to ask Paul if Bangkok Gold Escorts really sends women in those photos. I don't want any photoshop you know? It'll be my first time in Thailand from Italy and reading about Go Go Girls makes me think I should probably stick with escorts and soap massage / oil massage ladies. I like the really stunning ones. I hope I'll get a chance to book with the ones from Goldie.
Are there any others you recommend? I would've PM'd you, but I cannot without my first post.
Thanks Paul and everyone in advance!
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[QUOTE=Tigercountry; 1516133]Hello all!
I'm new here, but I read some threads and I wanted to ask Paul if Bangkok Gold Escorts really sends women in those photos. I don't want any photoshop you know? It'll be my first time in Thailand from Italy and reading about Go Go Girls makes me think I should probably stick with escorts and soap massage / oil massage ladies. I like the really stunning ones. I hope I'll get a chance to book with the ones from Goldie.
Are there any others you recommend? I would've PM'd you, but I cannot without my first post.
Thanks Paul and everyone in advance![/QUOTE]I've rarely encountered a lady who closely resembles her posted photos. P at Dr BJ was a rare exception. Bangkok Gold seems to carefully hid the identity of the ladies out of respect for their privacy. This is why the photo I posted of Pim was only her backside. I think Pim resembles her website photo. I'd say the same about the other BKK Gold ladies I've met; and I've found all of them to be attractive. It's funny, Fiona told me she didn't like her website photos because they don't look like her. She told me they were going to shoot new photos, which they have and are now on the website. She even showed me the red bra and panties she was going to wear for the photo shoot. The new photos are a little better, but how close are they to the two I posted? She is not as busty as she appears in some of the new photos.
I think it comes down to the reputability of the agency. Talk to them about what you like and dislike and ask for recommendations. If they're good they'll steer you in the right direction.
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First time in BKK, but I've been to Amsterdam before. I know they are 2 different worlds but I want something hassle free. Look at my 2nd post.
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[QUOTE=TigerCountry;1516183]Yes, I know now about the subscription. I'll wait and see if I'll need one.[/QUOTE]This attitude is not going to get you much help. You want to spend megabucks on an escort, but you can't pay $20 for forum membership?
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I saw a video of 'EE' and 'P' can also be seen on YouTube, man they look like those pics and much better!
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[QUOTE=TigerCountry;1516574]First time in BKK, but I've been to Amsterdam before. I know they are 2 different worlds but I want something hassle free. Look at my 2nd post.[/QUOTE]For hassle free your options are (1) massage parlor (MP) girls either in the shop or for outcall to your hotel and they can be booked for two hours or overnight or (2) escorts. For MP's any of the well known venues (Annie's, Cherry, Mango, Snow White and now I'd add Bamboo to the list) are good; your experience will depend on the lady and you can get good information about particular ladies on ISG. As for escorts, they're the most expensive, but a real bargain compared to N. America and W. Europe. You can do the math, the longer bookings are a better deal on a per hour basis. You can be confident you will get the services the website tells you the lady offers. Most charge extra for a-level, Bangkok Gold does not. Bangkok Gold is my preferred agency. I can tell them what kind of a lady I'm interested in and they give me good guidance. I think they're very reputable. Send Goldie an email and tell her what kind of a lady and what kind of service you are looking for. Fiona, one of the escorts I just reviewed, was from Pure Bangkok Escorts. I'd have no qualms about trying them again, but frankly the only reason I used them was because of Fiona's young age and newness to the business. Bangkok Escorts (formerly Viagra Girls) is also good. However, I have read at least one review of them on The Erotic Review (another site) in which a guy complained they pulled a bait and switch on him which they admitted to when he call them. It is a good place to read escort reviews but it's not a forum where you can ask questions and get answers like ISG.
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[QUOTE=TigerCountry; 1516183]Paul Kausch,
I think you are very genuine, Paul. Thanks for your kindness in sharing your experiences and I hope you will tell me the best escorts because it'll be my first time in Bangkok (some months from now).
Need to start saving and planning well.
I like Stefani from bangkokescorts. I emailed them today to ask about pictures and if she does rimming. They assured me within 20 minutes that the pictures are genuine and that she does rimming. Hope this is true, but I hope others don't mind sharing.
I will try Goldie because of the reviews if I can book them. My plan is to go with 10 beautiful (10/10 model looking) Thai women during my stay between escorts, soap massage girls. Models or sideliners, oil massages etc.). Saving money and planning is fundamental not to overspend. Fortunately the € is pretty strong.[/QUOTE]Well, I can recommend Julie with Bangkok Escorts; Sophie was once one of the top escorts in Bangkok; she had a serious problem with her implants and had to have major reconstructive surgery; she's back but I know nothing about the new Sophie. I'd say the ladies resemble their photos.
For Bangkok Gold I can recommend May, Mint and Pim, also Nan if she's back in town. Pim is my personal favorite, but you need to communicate with Goldie and tell her the kind of lady you like. If you want a-level, Mint and Nan offer it and I know Nan genuinely enjoys it. That may also be true of Mint I just haven't talked to her about it. Depending on how their nerves are wired some ladies really do get into it.