Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

I remember very well the Hong Kong flu which killed over 1 million people between 1968 and 1970. During that period there were no travel restrictions, quarantines or closures. As a matter of fact the world's largest open air concert, Woodstock, took place in 1969. I doubt very much that a vaccine will be developed for covid 19. No vaccine has ever been developed for a corona virus of which we have had many over the past few decades. These viruses last for two or three years.

When covid-19 first became notorious in March and April people were scared as it was new and reactions were frantic. Over time people will become more accustomed to it, adjust and accept it and will be less concerned even though they will take necessary precautions. I think that by the second half of 2021 things will be back to normal and we will be enjoying our favorite FKKs like we were in 2019.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2463956]I remember very well the Hong Kong flu which killed over 1 million people between 1968 and 1970. During that period there were no travel restrictions, quarantines or closures. As a matter of fact the world's largest open air concert, Woodstock, took place in 1969. I doubt very much that a vaccine will be developed for covid 19. No vaccine has ever been developed for a corona virus of which we have had many over the past few decades. These viruses last for two or three years.

When covid-19 first became notorious in March and April people were scared as it was new and reactions were frantic. Over time people will become more accustomed to it, adjust and accept it and will be less concerned even though they will take necessary precautions. I think that by the second half of 2021 things will be back to normal and we will be enjoying our favorite FKKs like we were in 2019.[/QUOTE]Already more than 500 000 deaths, US are more than 130 000 and can't really know about without healthcare insurance and illegals, and not finished yet. Germany, UK, Portugal, Spain and Italy, have to confine again. Brazil is in trouble, we can't trust China. Unfortunately, not finished yet and wait and see in Autumn or Winter.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2463956]I doubt very much that a vaccine will be developed for covid 19. No vaccine has ever been developed for a corona virus of which we have had many over the past few decades.[/QUOTE]That is very negative, there are currently 140 vaccines in development for Wuhan Flu so there is a good chance that one might work, so far there has been good early results coming out of the trials of the first two to have reached phase three testing. This is a virus that has brought the world to a halt, no wonder billions of dollars are being spent to find a solution. Vaccine development normally takes decades as it's a slow and costly process but this time great efforts are being made to get something quickly.

[QUOTE=Mtraveller;2463943]At risk of destroying your view of the world. Sweden does not report Corona number on weekends. Maybe this accounts for "a day without a single death". Otherwise Sweden is now the worst hit country in Europe per capita death rate).[/QUOTE]Belgium, UK, spain and Italy are still higher in the death / capita than Sweden.

Sweden, and other countries, reports deaths weekdays, up to a week delayed, so comparing one single day is no reliable method.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2463710]In the meantime, I'll continue to be cautious otherwise by avoiding large gatherings, social distancing, wearing a mask, etc. I wish this thing would just vanish though! That's one thing I do agree with Trump on. I mean, I want some pretty girl butt hole![/QUOTE]Does this mean that you have not mongered since lockdown? Not even locally? Majority of your monger-brethren on ISG believe the coronavirus is overblown or the risk-reward ratio is acceptable to them given the low death rate.

Amongst European-based mongers I have spoken with, there exist three categories: (1) zero mongering since lockdown, (2) mongering but only private meetups at hotels, (3) already back in the clubs. The second category is of particular interest, because some men are seeing ex-FKK WGs as incall and outcall at a starting price of 150 EUR per hour. If / when the German clubs reopen and those same WGs return to the clubs, will the men that saw them outside the club revert to 100 EUR per hour pricing?

This site says something different.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/[/URL]#countries.

[QUOTE=BlueSwede;2464003]Belgium, UK, spain and Italy are still higher in the death / capita than Sweden.

Sweden, and other countries, reports deaths weekdays, up to a week delayed, so comparing one single day is no reliable method.[/QUOTE]

Please don't consider my previous message.

I've read data wrongly.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2463956]I remember very well the Hong Kong flu which killed over 1 million people between 1968 and 1970. During that period there were no travel restrictions, quarantines or closures. As a matter of fact the world's largest open air concert, Woodstock, took place in 1969. I doubt very much that a vaccine will be developed for covid 19. No vaccine has ever been developed for a corona virus of which we have had many over the past few decades. [/QUOTE]They managed to develop the vaccine for SARS coronavirus almost 20 years ago, but the virus disappeared shortly before it went to market.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2463956]I remember very well the Hong Kong flu which killed over 1 million people between 1968 and 1970. During that period there were no travel restrictions, quarantines or closures. As a matter of fact the world's largest open air concert, Woodstock, took place in 1969.[/QUOTE]According to this article, public health authorities took a more casual approach to the 1968 flu.

[QUOTE]He reasoned that 'death was a bigger and more accepted part of daily American life' in the 1960s. WWII and the Korean War wasn't too far gone in the rear view mirror before America found themselves again involved in another deadly conflict in Vietnam. Polio haunted people until a vaccine was developed in the mid-1950s, and in 1957 the world was plagued by another pandemic, the H2N2 'Asian Flu' which killed 1 million people globally.
[/QUOTE]Also CV-19 is more deadly than the Hong Kong flu:

[QUOTE]Dr. David Morens, a senior adviser at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases described the H3N2 pandemic as 'wimpy' to Snopes.com. 'Its not comparable in a lot of ways but particularly in its mortality. Its also not comparable in the effects of what would happen if you just let it go.'

'Coronavirus and the H3N2 flu are absolutely not interchangeable' said Dr. Monto. 'Its like comparing apples and oranges.' Monto explains that even though the H3N2 virus was highly contagious, some of the population had been bolstered by residual immunity that was leftover from the from the previous H2N2 pandemic in 1957.

Furthermore, a vaccine for a Hong Kong flu was developed right away even though it took a while to get it mass produced and distributed. 'The variable in this pandemic is that we don't have a vaccine yet. We're making it from scratch, we have no experience with a coronavirus,' explained Dr. Monto to DailyMail.com.
[/QUOTE]As you said, there were no lockdowns for the Hong Kong flu and 1 M died. Perhaps had there been global lockdown only 100 K would have died. With social distancing and global lockdown, CV-19 death count will most certainly exceed 1 M. If zero social distancing and no lockdown, who knows how high that figure might be. So we are not able to make an apples to apples comparison, because the politicians in 1968 and 2020 took drastically different approaches.

[QUOTE=SeaShark;2464063]Please don't consider my previous message.

I've read data wrongly.[/QUOTE]You sure have. But, it really doesn't matter if Sweden is on place 5, 7 or 1, the situation has been severe here, no doubt about that.

It will be very interesting to hear the aftermath for sure!

I think I will wait a bit too. I do not drink or smoke cigarette, but there are many reliable report that one drink of alcohol per day is actually really good for your longevity and arteries.

[QUOTE=Downandup;2463983]That is very negative, there are currently 140 vaccines in development for Wuhan Flu so there is a good chance that one might work, so far there has been good early results coming out of the trials of the first two to have reached phase three testing. This is a virus that has brought the world to a halt, no wonder billions of dollars are being spent to find a solution. Vaccine development normally takes decades as it's a slow and costly process but this time great efforts are being made to get something quickly.[/QUOTE]Making a vaccine that work is not the hard part. The hard part is making a vaccine that both works, and has 0 bad side effects. An impossibility in our case here.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2464074]According to this article, public health authorities took a more casual approach to the 1968 flu.

Also CV-19 is more deadly than the Hong Kong flu:

As you said, there were no lockdowns for the Hong Kong flu and 1 M died. Perhaps had there been global lockdown only 100 K would have died. With social distancing and global lockdown, CV-19 death count will most certainly exceed 1 M. If zero social distancing and no lockdown, who knows how high that figure might be. So we are not able to make an apples to apples comparison, because the politicians in 1968 and 2020 took drastically different approaches.[/QUOTE]COVID-19 has most certainly both exceeded 1 and 2 million deaths by now. Easy calculations will land you at those numbers. And that is a low estimate. As many as 4-5 million might have already died.

Take Africa for example, the health system there is not functional, but among the 0.01 % that gets tested, there are still tens of thousands, or hundred thousand infected.

India has a semi functional health system. Maybe they catch 3-4% of everyone. Certainly less than 5%.

We can also safely say China is lying about the numbers there. Just taking death urns at the morgues, and then multiplying it up. The Hong Kong scientist had calculated 1.3 million in Hubei province alot had gotten the virus. And comparing that to the Wuhan morgue urns at the start of the pandemic, we can safely say about 50 000 has died in Wuhan, and 60-100 000 in all of Hubei. And that is just one vjinese province. Although most likely the worst hit by far.

Then you have the slums in Bangladesh where it spreads like wildfire. The favelas in Brazil where hardly any medical personell enters and people die at home.

Vietnam has reported 0 deaths. Yet I personally know one Vietnamese in Ho Chi Minh City who claims his friends dad died from it.

Etc etc etc.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2464172]COVID-19 has most certainly both exceeded 1 and 2 million deaths by now. Easy calculations will land you at those numbers. And that is a low estimate. As many as 4-5 million might have already died.[/QUOTE]COVID-19 gives governments power and money, the rich and powerful don't care about COVID-19 either because no matter what you need to pay rent and eat. Most people agree they are overestimating the numbers. The reason being a person who tested positive for COVID-19 but dies from pneumonia is still counted as a COVID-19 death.

Here are the numbers:

Most people who are "reported" to have Covid-19 actually die of Pneumonia.

The CDC has a disclaimer stating, there is no way they can actually know the real numbers, as pertaining to all the information they provide about the cases and deaths "allegedly" concerning Covid-19. If you call their 800 number they will insist on you listening to the disclaimer before they tell you any numbers.

COVID-19 numbers are much lower than the normal numbers for influenza and pneumonia. Covid-19 "supposedly has caused 500,000 deaths worldwide in the last 7 months but 99.5% of the victims have been old or have underlying health conditions while influenza and pneumonia cause about 8,000,000 deaths a year and about 30% of the people who die are young and healthy!

COVID-19 primarily affects those aged 60 and above or those who have underlying health issues.

[URL]https://covid19info.live/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/influenza-pneumonia/by-country/[/URL]

Some European mongers have told me "I saved so much money from not mongering during the lockdown, so overspending a little as the clubs and economy opens back up is no big deal". The European employment system subsidized 40 million EU citizens, many receiving 60-90 percent of their pay for sitting at home and doing nothing or barely working, for three months. Despite the higher levels of taxation, is such a system designed to handle that many people claiming unemployment subsidies at the same time and for such a long duration? What happens if a second wave results in a second lockdown? I could be just pessimistic, but people are already declaring victory on this, when it might not be over.