Makati

Alright let's test the limits of the forum.

I generally agree with you. Yeah, sadly, many of the bakla in AC are trouble. Years ago I made the (semi) mistake of befriending some because I'm from LOS Angeles and I have friends in that community and I try to be empathetic and not judge. But yes once you do that in AC they usually get aggressive and weird and could ruin your vacation. There are a few exceptions. This girl in the photo is a sweetheart. I just wrote her name but deleted it. You might be gay if you don't find her attractive. No I have not hooked up with her. But yes they can facilitate a lot of connections if they are not crazy (tough to find, I know). If you find a kind, legit, and friendly one, they really can hook you up with some nice (real) girls. But it's a gamble. Not for the faint hearted.

[QUOTE=Transporter;3018642]Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Transporter;3018642]Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.[/QUOTE]Did just that few years back in Panglao, was late at night only one bar open in the area, I was the only patron, the bar tender was still there only for me, despite the fact that I told him to close and leave, no pussy in sight, only 2 friendly baklas on the other side of the bar top / divider on the beach side, trying to convince me that their BJ skills are far superior compared to a woman. I explained to them that the woman factor comes first, and the skills second, and even if I would be the one getting paid, I wouldn't even consider it. It doesn't matter how attractive they are, they still men, and it may be inappropriate, but I'm homophobic and cannot control it, even if I'm forced to sit next to a man in a bus, boat, or airplane I resent any involuntary touching. I got them each a beer, because I felt that the whole explanation maybe sounded rude to them.

So after I convinced them, that I cannot possibly be a potential customer, I asked if they have any female friends that are good looking, skinny, and want to make a buck, emphasizing the fact that they may get a finders fee. One of the baklas disappeared and 10 minutes later, when I was ready to give up for the evening, came back accompanied by a beautiful petite nicely proportioned girl. I gave the boys 500 P finders fee, and got the girl at bakla price I guess, for 1,5 K LT. Even when leaving with the girl they wouldn't give up continuing to try to convince me to have 3 some or 4 some, told them that there is no difference if a girl is involved in the mix, they still men, and I don't want no dicks in close proximity, or in my mind. The girl told me that she was the cousin of one of them, and never did it for money, or with a foreigner before, the bakla cousin took her from her bed while she was sleeping, and promised her 1 K (I guess, she'll have to give him also a 500 P reverse finder's fee). Luckily she had her ID in her phone's sleeve, because after the bakla interaction, all the thoughts flying thru my head were man related, like maybe she's a petite bakla with the dick chopped off, she was 19 and female, and after the initial shyness after she got her inhibitions put aside, she got on top of me, and rode me like a savage for hours, my pelvic bone hurt for a week after the encounter. She was super noisy also, and in the late morning when she was leaving she told me that she didn't had sex for more than a year, which I believed, after witnessing the wild behavior. As usual, I forgot her name, and didn't asked for contact info, because it always feels irrelevant at the moment, and felt idiotic only on my next visit to Bohol.

This somewhat close interaction and dialog with the baklas was a first for me, and I realized that my presumption was correct, they are fucked up in the head and think that are women, or somehow will pass as women, and also think that normal men don't care where the carnal pleasure derives from. And that explains a lot about their behavior when chasing regular guys on the street, thinking that is just a matter of attractiveness, not of gender.

Ok. And?

Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3018761]
This somewhat close interaction and dialog with the baklas was a first for me, and I realized that my presumption was correct, they are fucked up in the head and think that are women, or somehow will pass as women, and also think that normal men don't care where the carnal pleasure derives from. And that explains a lot about their behavior when chasing regular guys on the street, thinking that is just a matter of attractiveness, not of gender.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;3018948]Ok. And?

Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]And we, low life confused complicated fucked up mongers, who think we are superior can cast aspersions on others? Who are the fucked up ones?

[QUOTE=Stevester;3017663]Location: Makati, Manila, Philippines (P. Burgos Street).

A small massage shop about a minute away from the main street.

Scam: Broken Condom Payment.

Details: There are a number of women going up and down P Burgos offering massage and more, many of them ladyboys. One lady offered to take me to a massage shop about a minute away from the main street. I had seen it before as it is on the 2nd floor of a building with Massage / Spa written in neon. When I got there, a ladyboy and the woman negotiated to 3000 pesos for massage and sex. I double confirmed the woman was a woman as her companion was definitely a ladyboy. I was led to a very small room where I disrobed and laid down. The lady gave me a weak massage, but her ladyboy friend started to also massage me. I polite asked the ladyboy to leave, but he kept trying to join in. I insisted he leave and he finally stopped and left. I flipped over and the woman disrobed, talked how sex was illegal so to be quiet. She went into reverse cowgirl and I eventually came.

This is where things went bad. She suddenly said the condom broke and asked what we should do. I reached down and did feel something on the outside of the condom. In retrospect, I should have checked the condom for holes before removing it, but I just wanted to leave. She started saying she was only a student (a very old one if true) and she needed money as she might be pregnant. I told her my tubes were tied so not to worry. The ladyboy then entered and said it was my responsibility to pay for what happened. They allowed me to dress, I paid them the 3000, but they kept blocking me from leaving claiming medical expenses. On the street, she asked for 11,000 pesos to get a medical check, so I said let's go to the police. As we got closer to the street, the ladyboy started grabbing and pushing me, demanding money, then throwing my glasses on the ground. I eventually forced my way to the street and found a police stand. The lady actually came, but said I hadn't paid her yet. I was honest and said I did pay for the service and she was asking for more. Surprisingly, the woman admitted to prostitution but didn't mention the broken condom. Eventually, the police just told me to leave.

A few notes: I found a lotion bottle while I was getting dressed. I'm not positive, but I think what she did was put lotion on the condom and then claimed it broke. She didn't seem all that upset when the condom broke and I didn't actually check, so it felt very much like a scam. This whole situation has really put me off mongering, especially in the Philippines, so I'm going to take a break for now.[/QUOTE]Happened to me awhile back. I came on the outside and didn't even have sex just a rub and tug. Well provider claimed that some had dripped near her stuff and now she needed to go to a clinic to get the morning after pill and demanded 5 K peso more. Got the same "I'm a student crap" and my mother would be disappointed. I told her I had no more, and she needed to leave. She was persistent, I got nervous and really came close to rough housing and then bigger head took over and said all I have is 3 K and you need to leave. She left. Funny, when I saw her web page shortly after she had posted pics of her in the bathroom mirror (I could see my suitcase behind her), this was right before the drama. I got scammed, but I also got more careful. Sometimes in a foreign land better to pay and leave than do something that will get you locked up abroad!

[QUOTE=Transporter;3018642]Like anywhere you go, there will be some good and bad. There are some good trike drivers and bad trike drivers, good taxi drivers and bad taxi drivers, good girls and bad girls, etc. The same is true for the ladyboys. In general yes I would have to agree, to avoid them as much as possible, especially if you don't have the experience in this area as one bad one can ruin your entire trip. If you run across a good bakla, he / she / they can be of a great resource. You got to figure they are out there hustling all the time, they know everybody, and they spend a lot of time out there in their craft. If they are in the same bar / scene as you are, they are in the same business that you are looking for, treat them with respect and make a friend, what's the harm in buying them a drink sharing some food, and speaking with them on the same level. Once you made a good friend with them, add them to your social media and explain what you are looking for. If you are very specific in what you are looking for, they know dozens of girls that will fit the bill and would be happy to do the leg work for you. I normally give them 500 as a finders fee to bring me something I would like. They also are a great source of information of the local girls I. E. Which ones are rumored to be bad (ripping off customers) or rumored to have "sickness" and such, and most important to me anyways which ones are new to the area. Please do not misunderstand, I do not recommend you go out looking for your own personal bakla concierge, just don't look at every bakla like they are bad people.[/QUOTE]I picked up a lady at last call from a bar and as we got in taxi a ladyboy jumped in. She said that was her friend and he needed a place to stay and he wouldn't bother us. I declined. Once taxi got me to my hotel, I paid him the fare to take her and ladyboy back to Makati and said good night. She asked about her tip and I said the taxi ride home. I wasn't about to be locked in a room with her and her ladyboy friend. Now if that is your type of thing, more power to you. Just not me. Also never understood how some believe if we act like Mikey from the old cereal commercial and just "Try it, you'll like it" is fair game, yet if I say I want to take you some where to "pray away the gay" they say it can't be done, they are born that way. Well if you born gay fine. If you are born heterosexual and only like the opposite sex, then we should be afforded the same courtesy.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;3018979]Happened to me awhile back. I came on the outside and didn't even have sex just a rub and tug. Well provider claimed that some had dripped near her stuff and now she needed to go to a clinic to get the morning after pill and demanded 5 K peso more. Got the same "I'm a student crap" and my mother would be disappointed. I told her I had no more, and she needed to leave. She was persistent, I got nervous and really came close to rough housing and then bigger head took over and said all I have is 3 K and you need to leave. She left. Funny, when I saw her web page shortly after she had posted pics of her in the bathroom mirror (I could see my suitcase behind her), this was right before the drama. I got scammed, but I also got more careful. Sometimes in a foreign land better to pay and leave than do something that will get you locked up abroad![/QUOTE]Just like everything else, you factor in an acceptable loss and move on. Nothing here to ruin a visit and not to return.

[QUOTE=FuriousGeorge;3018948]Ok. And?

Yes, their minds are more confused, complicated, and 'fucked up' as you say. No denying that. Probably due to social norms but who am I do figure all that out. Way beyond the extents of my artistic right-brained mind. In 100 years we'll all be dead and people will be who they are and pleasure will be pleasure. That's my guess, but who knows. Good news. We won't be here and our conditioned lizard-brain minds won't have to deal with it.[/QUOTE]And that's my take on them, I don't have a problem with the LBs, as long as they don't have a problem with me not wanting to mix with them. It's their life, and they can do whatever they want with it, just like I do with mine.

A couple of visits in Makati. First time I stayed a weekend in City garden grand. Nice hotel anyway. I finally agreed to meet a Tinder / Whats app girl maybe around 25. Not the best looking but seemed nice so I promised her 3000, alot down from her 5000-6000 she asked first. Couldn't finish with condom so removed it as for her it was all the time "whatever makes you hottest". Still couldn't finish so we did it by hands, her and at the end mine. Disappointment of course but she keeps sending pictures of her "student" friend asking for 5000. She looks to have a better body but 5000 no but I think she already down to 3000-4000 if meet her next time.

Then next day met a local girl I know from last time, no money involved never, she is older maybe 40 and has many kids 2-4 and now she can't have kids anymore for some reason she told me last year. Well again I finished inside her like last year so no problem. She used to work 7 Eleven night shifts, also video called me there but now had a new job. Looking for a relationship but I was not feeling too serious with her so didn't meet her after lunch sex. After lucnch sex I ended up in a headache so couldn't finish. I have medication for my blood pressure but I think this is neck tension headache or something just before coming I think nothing serious, sometimes happens.

Next week I stayed in St Giles. Okay for the price but getting run down. Air con was stuck at the coldest level so I got sick with the flu so didn't meet girls really. Went to only Cubana and Jose cuervo many times and some burger place on Burgos. Met a local girl I know and went to drink with her. Didn't feel like sex. She would like a husband and her mom is pushing her she in 35 and no kids. So she would want me but I don't know. We were just drinking in Handle bar. Some English or Irish guy wasted but okay, they were almost fighting somebody but I got along okay.

I headed to Iloilo with my friend to meet a 22-year-old criminology student at the mall. She came with her friend. We had pizza and sent her home. Very shy but we are in contact. She is interested and me too. I'm 48 by the way. She is young and shy but not ask for money type. Never happened so I keep chatting her.

Makati was good, had an escape room game with my friend (too hot inside), great food and restaurants and bars despite getting sick. Except went to the Century city mall always nice to walk from St Giles there but coming back some kids tried to rob me in between the mall and City garden grand. One kid said "Hello sir" behind and when I look back an other tried to put his hand in my front pocket. Never happened before but I said "No" and my wallet or phone was deep and they ran away but maybe have to consider that too? At least behind a zipper or button pocket but that's is just a such a short distance from City garden grand to the mall but that small street area there. Maybe it not safe to walk?

Years back I had save a massage flyer and one night around 11 pm I wanted a room massage. I texted the number on the flyer but the one girl wasn't available but they would send someone else. The one that arrived was small 4' 9" feminine looking in sweats so I couldn't really get a good look at her bodily. Her voice squeaked a little. I was a little concerned she might be a LB. But I was really interested in a massage so I wasn't too concerned. After a good firm massage on my stomach she asked me to turn over. 15 minutes into the massage on my back she says to me "I have a surprise for you" and grabs my hand and places it into her crotch. I thought for sure she was a LD and was going to shit right there in the bed. Lo and behold there was the nicest softest poon I laid my fingers on. It was dry and as I slowly fingered her it got so wet. Off came her top to reveal beautiful be cups. Still half asleep from the massage she straddled me to a great wet finish.

The other occasion was at a NAIA airport hotel during the free breakfast. I had just send my girl of 3 days of fuxking off to the airport. As I sat by myself in the dining room I noticed one beautiful girl walk in by herself. She checked in to the desk for breakfast so I knew she was a hotel guest. As we were going down the buffet I said Hi to her and then asked if she was dining by herself? Yes, she said so I invited her to my table. This girl was beautiful, 5' 6" with see cups. She said she was a model. Which was believable. So beautiful I thought she could have been a LB. She had swimmers shoulders and a good poise. About 23 years old. But small wrist and feet! After some discussion we agreed she would stop by my room after eating. BTW, I had a flight to catch in 3 hours. She also had this voice that could have been a LB. Once in the room her Model attitude started, why only 5 k, I usually get 10 times that and on and on. No 100% convinced she was a LB, I said let's get down to business, show me your pusxy! Low and behold one of the most beautiful poon I have seen. I slowly fingered it and it started dripping wet as she cum in 2 minutes. Then the rules came from the model, condom and no licking and on and on. Hearing condom and after 3 days of my other girl, sadly I could not rise to the occasion. But for me a few minutes of fondling her see cups and fingering such a beauty was worth it. Regretting not doing it would have haunted me! She was stunning. Gents those are my 2 perceived encounters with LB.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3014275]Yes, The major difference between the low and high end bars were just the drink prices and therefore the barfines. The quieter bars would be 350/3500 while the better bars would be 390/3900. That's plus tip.

I always regarded the barfines inclusive of onsite LDs as a type of frequent flyer discount for regular customers. It wasn't widely advertised and wouldn't be given out routinely. A patron in the know would have to ask for it. A new two week warrior wouldn't even know.

Girls still do give out numbers to organise out of hours meet ups, assuming the guy is generous and not too offensive. As you said, this is normally done as a thank you at the end of a bar fine and significantly lowers the cost of subsequent sessions. This can be done in the bar too but it's frowned upon and the girls are very wary of being caught. Last month a girl wouldn't key her number into my phone but wrote it down as a note and passed it to me indirectly, via a waitress.

Of course, the one option no one has mentioned is the bars with onsite facitilites. I was only drinking last visit but was offered a VIP room for 5 drinks. I declined so have no idea what she expected for her tip. Several bars still have similar options.

Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I prefer on site action much more than bar fine back to the hotel. I like to keep my hotel clean, safe and seperate from P4 P.

Do you know if Lips, Marque, Bottoms, Maison, Farfasha, Dimples or any of the other strip clubs has on site action?

[QUOTE=RandoGuy;3010409]Pt. 1 - Makati.

Landed in Manila, tired as fuck. On a recommendation stayed at US Embassy Beachfront Retreat (Riviera Suites). Do not recommend. Room was dirty, poorly maintained, aircon that barely kept ahead of the heat, no tv, neighborhood is 'working class'. Fine if you just need a cheap place to crash, but otherwise pass. One positive, it is two blocks from LA Cafe. Stopped by during the day just to check it out and was offered ST for P600. Not a supermodel, but not garbage either. I passed, things to do.

Next day I moved to I'm hotel. Bit spendy but very nice. Looked at Manila Courtesans, offered 6 K all-in for two hours. Reading about the prices on P. Burgos, it seemed like a no-brainier. Very easy to arrange over whatsapp, chose Lavina. Was informed I got 2 hours, 2 shots, cover a must. Souned good. What a mistake. Arrives as expected, very small spinner (I could curl her with one hand). Seemed to want to talk a bit, and in no hurry to leave. I'm fine with giving a girl time to get comfortable. After about an hour of listening to her yap, I tried to move on to the main event. All the sudden, she is short of time and now wants to leave. Got the feeling she really didn't want to be doing this job, and I'm not into forcing it. Do not recommend MC.

I was, however, pissed and blue-balled. I decided to check out P. Burgos, probably not the best choice in my frame of mind. Ended up at Maison. Not a lot of customers for a Saturday night. Got a drink and, of course, mama is pushing the LD. I told her to back off, let me settle in. No hard feelings, mama left and several girls hung out to chat. Decided fuck it, got a few girls and mama a drink. Spend the next hour with 6 or 7 girls doing everything but PIV, chatting with mama, etc. Ended up taking three girls. One was, at best, a 5 but a freak and a spinner. One was a typical average pinay, the other was a good 7/8. There were a few other 7/8's in the bar, but I value service over looks, to a point. BF was P4800, girls were P5000 each. Spent about three hours hate-fucking the three girls, then went out for food and drinks (jusus, but I'm getting old. Can't keep up with the young girls anymore). Two of the three wanted to spend the night. Blew another load in them the next morning, and sent them off. Spent way to much, but fuckit. Going to have to rest today, and headed out to the Nang tomorrow. Stay tuned for more.[/QUOTE]You said you were going to Nang, which I assume is Vietnam?

Between the Philipines and Vietnam, which one do you like better for P4 P?

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3009315]Apology, what is a GM club?[/QUOTE]GM = gentlemens club.

These club are in Thailand (Pattaya) and are more laid back than gogo bars and beer bars.

They are more for the ex pat and are open during the day and close pretty early (10-11 PM).

All the action is on site in rooms and the girl prices are much better than the Gogo bar prices (usually 1,200-1,500 Baht for the girl and 300-500 for the room).

My personal favorites in Pattaya are Heaven Above, Passion, and Kineree.

If you ever go to Pattaya it's worth checking out.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3019997]You said you were going to Nang, which I assume is Vietnam?

Between the Philipines and Vietnam, which one do you like better for P4 P?[/QUOTE]Vietnam is Wham, bam, thank you ma'am! 1 hour in the back room, just like TH, if you're into that kind of stuff, then you'll be fine. I need my hotel room, more time, and GFE.

[QUOTE=BackpackBrian;3019999]GM = gentlemens club.

These club are in Thailand (Pattaya) and are more laid back than gogo bars and beer bars.

They are more for the ex pat and are open during the day and close pretty early (10-11 PM).

All the action is on site in rooms and the girl prices are much better than the Gogo bar prices (usually 1,200-1,500 Baht for the girl and 300-500 for the room).

My personal favorites in Pattaya are Heaven Above, Passion, and Kineree.

If you ever go to Pattaya it's worth checking out.[/QUOTE]The GC's (GM) is Pattaya are not that laid back when a bunch of drunk ex-pat Britts show up. These guys are off the hook crazy and don't mind (actually prefer) to get freaky with a girl at the tables. I was there last March. One guy was getting blown by a girl at a high-top table with 3 other guys sitting around watching. One guy had 3 women naked and taking turns sitting on his junk while he ordered more drinks. Another started feeling up and kissing a LB (yes, he knew-we all knew) while peeling her clothes off on a curved sofa. He dropped his shorts for a very visible BJ, then asked to do her anal. She demanded a condom and he covered up. What followed was about 20 minutes of jackhammer sex in her butt while at least 12 guys circled around and cheered.

Fucking crazy. Literally.

I was sitting with another girl trying to negotiate heading up to the provided rooms on the 2nd floor. But even my girl was distracted by the multiple shows. Finally the stench of sweat and stale beer was too much for me and I bailed.

Perhaps even that experience was still more tame than the bars on 6th St in Pattaya. But I realized then my future trips will not include TH again. I'm all about PH and Jakarta from now on.