Angeles City

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1163126]Knowing that you sometimes post in Phils, leads me to assume that you must have spent a certain amount of time in Phils. I'm truly suprrised that you have never encountered the " tip please" request from anyone in Phils.

These requests just fly right over my head. Sometimes I respond but most of the time I suddenly become quite blind and deaf. [/QUOTE]Maybe that is why I haven't heard it because just like you if they ever brought it up it would just go in one ear and out the other. LOL.

[QUOTE=Just Seven; 1163257]As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

The lowest of the low BBS girl near Guangzhou is 200 RMB. Thats for one pop or 40 minutes, whichever happens first. Thats 1100 pesos. At a KTV in Changping, the minumum to get one pop will be 500RMB JUST for the girl. Thats 2500+ pesos. To keep a girl over night will be minimum 900RMB just to the girl. Thats 4500+ pesos. The most expensive girl I saw in AC was 3500 + a drink.

Sorry to everyone else but my mentality on this matter has changed entirely. Compared to what I have been paying for a girl at a KTV, I can barfine a girl. A normal night at a KTV costs me about 2000RMB. If the girl rocks my world. Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. [/QUOTE]It's not a competition. The whole point is that you don't compare prices on a local market with what you are used to paying back home. If the cost was less in Guangzhou and you went to PI and had to pay more, would you return to Guangzhou and pay PI prices? If a Big Mac costs you $1 at home then you get to PI and a Big Mac is only 50 cents do you insist on giving them 75 cents because it would have been $1 back home? Part of the purpose of going to these places to monger is because the price is much cheaper when compared to back home. I don't think many mongers would waste time and money paying for a ticket and hotel to monger in PI if the girls were going to cost them the same 200 euro / hour as back home.

P.S. The girl is not ecstatic over you walking back into the bar again. She is ecstatic because her walking ATM sucker hopefully is not yet out of money and is back to bestow more blessings again. Show up without money and see how happy they really are about you being there.

[QUOTE=Just Seven;1163257]If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back.[/QUOTE]Appreciate seeing the issue put in proper perspective. Good one.

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1163214]It is not a good idea to post pictures of these girls identifying as runners or non-performers. How would you like it if your picture is published as cheap, nasty, arrogant etc.

These girls desrve the respect for the situation they are in.

As for runners I would gladly let them leave because the chemistry is not there. [/QUOTE]I'm not concerned with the situation they are in, the medicine they need to buy for sick grandma, or the milk they need for the baby. I am a customer. As far as I am concerned they signed up for a job, they know what the job entails, and they are getting full pay for the job. So I expect the job to be performed satisfactorily. If a guy shows up to cut my yard and only cut half the yard because it is 100 degrees outside I am not going to chalk it up to chemistry. Before he went into the lawn business he knew that some days he was going to have to work in 100 degree weather. So I am going to betch and complain and want my damn money back if he tries some bullshit.

[QUOTE=Irony Monger;1163250]How is this different from any other report? Are you saying we should post no pictures at all, or only pics with positive reviews?[/QUOTE]I am not against posting pictures. In fact I have done many.

What I am against is making a thread for the girls solely to avoid with their pictures.

I have read some posters now and then posting pictures of girls who have not given them good service or runners etc. It is only their individual experience.

As to what experiences go it could be vary with different people with the same girl.

But to make a list with pictures is bad IMHO.

[QUOTE=Just Seven; 1163257]TO anyone that was around AC this past weekend and happened to be at the Old Blue Nile on Saturday night.

Sorry about my friends! They had a fucking great time but sorta screwed over anyone else trying to have fun there! If any of you were there, I would love to hear what you have to say about them :P.

As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

The lowest of the low BBS girl near Guangzhou is 200 RMB. Thats for one pop or 40 minutes, whichever happens first. Thats 1100 pesos. At a KTV in Changping, the minumum to get one pop will be 500RMB JUST for the girl. Thats 2500+ pesos. To keep a girl over night will be minimum 900RMB just to the girl. Thats 4500+ pesos. The most expensive girl I saw in AC was 3500 + a drink.

Sorry to everyone else but my mentality on this matter has changed entirely. Compared to what I have been paying for a girl at a KTV, I can barfine a girl. A normal night at a KTV costs me about 2000RMB. If the girl rocks my world. Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. [/QUOTE]Can't make comparisons based on 2 different locations. The reason I visit AC is to get away from all the super high prices at home. Even a 90min out of town drive away from my home city to visit a cheap brothel cost $50 a pop (40mins max). An escort at home will cost anywhere from $300-500 a nite + a "nice tip"). When I'm home and expect to pay these prices, so be it or wank off by myself. When in China, I pay Chinese prices, so be it, or wank off by myself. When in AC, I ONLY pay AC prices and NOT get too generous thinking just because its cheaper here I should tip them alot more because I usually pay more elsewhere. Remember guys, my very good providing gals are very happy with a 200peso-250p tip (if service below normal=no tips, average or above =100p trike money, and very good service=200-250p=, so depend on service) Why?-she knows its more than what an average worker makes all day working a 10hr job and all she had to do was sleep on a very comfortable bed all nite in an A / c room with TV and hot shower. And how do I know they are satisfy with the tips given. NEVER had a complaint (except for a few losers that didn't perform and still expect a fat tip????), in fact I often get a hug and kiss at the door and wish me to come back to the bar and BF her again.

Trust me, they know what the tips should be (if any) and I heard many times while at a bar listening to them brag about how someone was stupid enough and gave so big a tip and now that sets up everyone to expect more tips from us regardless of service-

Shark

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1163340]I am not against posting pictures. In fact I have done many.

As to what experiences go it could be vary with different people with the same girl.

But to make a list with pictures is bad IMHO. [/QUOTE]True, experiences will vary but I have found that a runner will almost always do this often on others. I've read some had used names of the gals and bar but as names are common even within a single bar (I once met 4 Marys in one bar) it just helps to Identify the potential duds.

Like I said in my post. I "could" post the name and pic of the gal involve but its more to bring to their attention I don't tolerate the behavior. And also its to protect anyone cumming after me as she will think twice before pulling this scam again. Listen, I'm fine if she had been honest and said will only do ST and not lie about it. If I like her enough then ST for maybe 4-5hrs is fine but don't ruin it by pulling a fast one.

We often post and comment on the ones that were "hot" and perform well, so whats wrong with the other side of the coin-Whats the old saying,"Can't have the Good without the Bad"-IMO.

Shark

[QUOTE=Just Seven; 1163257]Giving her a 2000 peso tip per day and having her be exctatic when I walk back into her bar is well worth it.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. [/QUOTE]Unfortunatley, these types of guys are are not uncommon in AC these days. The collective spending habits of your types have already affected the whole scene in AC and other spots in Asia. Girls are more spoiled and way more bitchy than ever. This is because of guys like you. Overpaying and spoiling women never does any good, yet weak men love to hand over their power to women all the time. I'll never understand it.

[QUOTE=Sharka;1162933]They simply don't care if you are a tipper of not. She already made up her mind to "run" as soon as you BF her.[/QUOTE]There's no way you can possibly know that. If you want to be honest, you'd admit you pulled that insight from thin air to discourage tipping.

Did you get that insight from the girls? Firstly, girls generally aren't sharing their running strategies with patrons -- if they'd even admit to being a runner to begin with. In the off-chance she'd admit to being a runner, she's probably just trying to impress you ("I run on other guys, but not with you").

Methinks it's safe to say, never take what the girls say on Fields seriously.

Bottom line is, money is what drives Fields. The girls aren't here to meet nice guys. They can do that in church. No girl chooses to give blowjob for money unless she has few options. So to say "money and tipping doesn't matter" is ludicrous and flies in the face of logic.

If a girl thinks she can earn more spending the night with you than returning to the bar, that's what she'll do. If you're a savvy consumer, you'll incentivize her to perform.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1;1163026]I think I mentioned it here once. We should post pics of runners or starfish from the AC bars.[/QUOTE]

This is a really embarassing post, man.

Are you really going to such extremes, possibly violating Philippine privacy laws, because a prostitute spited you?What would you do if bars started to post photos of Cheap Charlies?

By the way, do you really want to increase the likelihood someone will seriously kick your ass, whether it's the girl's boyfriend or the bar's bodyguards. I think you're overestimating the civility of Filipinos who work in this rough business.

Your post is exactly the reason why Angeles City MUST have a stronger tipping culture. Whenever a guy pays first, he surrenders a lot of his ability to encourage service. This is especially true in today's Angeles City where more guys from Asia are throwing cash around like Monopoly money. The girls will only develop a stronger tipping mindset in the years to come.

Many girls and bars now cater to Koreans because they tip big. So the corolation between spending and service is direct and emphatic. Australians are known not to tip. Last time I checked, there are no bars or girls catering to the Aussies.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1163375]This is because of guys like you. Overpaying and spoiling women never does any good, yet weak men love to hand over their power to women all the time. I'll never understand it.[/QUOTE]Maybe they're not overpaying. Maybe you're underpaying.

The "going rate" for girls is determined by market forces. It's impossible for a few guys to screw the market. If mobs of people are willing to pay more (and the supply of girls remain constant) , market forces will produce a higher "going rate". Not rocket science.

So if you're complaining, that means you're being driven from the marketplace because you cannot compete with other patrons. In a way, that means you're the one who's "weak".

By the way, how come its OK for you to want lower prices but it's not OK for the girls to want higher prices? Are you the only one allowed to act in self-interest?

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1163310]P.S. The girl is not ecstatic over you walking back into the bar again. She is ecstatic because her walking ATM sucker hopefully is not yet out of money and is back to bestow more blessings again. Show up without money and see how happy they really are about you being there.[/QUOTE]Except they are one and the same. Why would I show up without money? Because the girls love me? Hahaha.

If you want love, buy a dog. If you want a great fuck, buy a filipina.

Again, if they do not provide services promised or their effort is shit or attitude is shit. I do not tip. If they run. I do not tip. If they perform great, I take them shopping and I make sure they leave happy. In the bar, giving the girl 500 pesos so she can make it rain on her friends is 12. 50. Less than a DRINK where I live.

If after keeping the same girl for three days you believe you should just be giving her barfine go ahead. I won't be. I do not feel the NEED to tip. I want to reward her great service.

Everyone wants something different. Some guys enjoy the cheap seediness of a cheap fuck and giving as little money as possible for it. Others enjoy buying women and treating them like meat. Others enjoy demonstrating their spending power by throwing their money around.

To say that I tip girls because I feel insecure is laughable. It sucks for the local expats that earn shit money and have budgeted their mongering that feel that they cannot compete with Asian guys (though I am not asian) (if you don't think its a competition, you arent competing) on spending habits. Sorry, I don't live here. I come, I want the girl I want and I want to buy her food and have her dote on me while I am there. Once I leave she can fuck everyone for free. Like I care. When I come back, I want her to run off the stage and come give me a hug and sit down and repeat the process all over again. (except for my current squeeze, I fucking love watching her dance) I have to figure out some method to let her dance while making sure others cannot ladydrink barfine. Guess I will let her know the pricing scheme for that setup.

How stupid I must be that I am going to pay a girl to dance. :P

[QUOTE=Just Seven;1163389]To say that I tip girls because I feel insecure is laughable. It sucks for the local expats that earn shit money and have budgeted their mongering that feel that they cannot compete with Asian guys[/QUOTE]

Most local expats are nice. But I'm not curtailing my spending just to avoid making them look like Cheap Charlies.

Funny how low-spending expats complain about overpaying. But they're drinking in places where local Filipino men cannot afford. So it's OK for expats to outspend local Filipino men, but it's suddenly not OK when they get outspent by Koreans.

"Overpaying" is a relative term. It's used when they cannot afford what others can. I guess it all depends on where in the food chain you're in.

I'm actually happy at higher prices and more tipping (just not TOO high). Higher prices will encourage more girls into the business. Who can complain about more choices? And if they develop the mindset that good service will be rewarded with a big fat tip, hey, I love that too.

No matter how high prices will go though, there will likely be mongering for all price levels. So there's nothing for expats to worry about.

the cycle continues. next people will complain about the cost of bar fines. when i see the girl i want, the only reason i ask about the barfine is so that i can withdraw the correct amount of money out of my pocket.

however, my mentality is a bit different. when i see something i want. i want it. if i cannot get it, i work on getting it. i am not the fox looking at grapes telling myself they are bad. however, there have been many a night that i returned to my hotel alone after not finding what i was looking for.

if you don't want to tip. don't. i am sure you have a compelling reason not to tip. i posted the reason why i tip. i still do not tip for bad performance. that is something i do not understand. once the agreed upon terms have been met. the barfine is earned. if she goes above and beyond the agreed upon terms that is service i tip for. do i have to? no. do i need to? no. can i? yes.

Amjeck,

You summed it up quite nicely. Western men are either the most confused or most idiotic men on the planet. In their home countries they spoil their women by licking their asses, being ass clowns for their amusement, and spending ridiculous amounts of money in vain attempts to buy their favors. They then complain to no end about the shitty treatment they get from their women and the lack of pussy access. These same guys then visit Asia or Latin America where they discover a veritable pussy paradise. Then they immediately go to work fucking up that paradise by shitting in the pristine pussy spring with their wallets and other weak ass behavior. Soon they destroy the wonderful environment the local men created. The idiots move on to other locations like a swarm of horny brainless locusts to fuck up the scene. Anyone having doubts about this can look at the negative effects guys like this have had on once flourishing beaver markets within easy reach of North America and Western Europe. At least Aussies have had the good sense not to fuck up nearby areas by tipping ridiculous amounts. Only pimps / bar owners stand to gain from this foolish behavior. Remember the pussy doesn't want or need you if it's not poor and needy. When you throw away your money, let bad service slide and get fleeced just remember you've just created a new standard of service. Only a complete moron would believe getting fleeced and paying extra for the privilege actually leads to better service. Filipinos are known for taking as much advantage as you let them. Once you are identified as being a fool with your money the word will get around and soon everyone in town will be lined up to take a crack at your asshole.

[QUOTE=Just Seven; 1163257]As for the ever ongoing pricing debate.

If you can't compete, its not a prisoners dilemma, my spending habits won't affect you, they will just get me the girl I want with the attitude I want with the reaction I want. If you are worried about prices going up, get another job. Or monger less. You can always make more money, you can't get yesterday back. [/QUOTE]I admire your modesty. But what I really respect about you is your knowledge of economics. Not a 'prisoner's dilemma'? May be you should look up what this term really means. This is exactly prisoner's dilemma. Suppose we are after the same, beautiful girl. If we both are reasonable and pay less, we win. Even if we are equally likely to get the girl, our expected payoff is high because we got the bang for the little buck. But suppose each of us believes that we 'can't get the yesterday back' and hence should overpay. Then, if you pay high and I pay low, the girl goes to you, everything else being equal. Similarly, if I pay high and you pay low, the girl comes to me. Knowing this, we will both try to pay high and the girl will choose one of us. The girl gains. Our expected pay-off is less, because no matter who the girl went to, there was same bang for more buck (relatively speaking). This is Game Theory 101. Overpaying is bad, mainly because, contrary to your illusion, there are other punters in the market with equally deep pocket. This has the net effect of pushing the price up without any proportional gain in our satisfaction.

[QUOTE=Just Seven;1163411]However, my mentality is a bit different. When I see something I want. I want it.[/QUOTE]You are Just Seven, no kidding.