Kyiv

[QUOTE=HunterDave; 1183145]My college hottie from Tuesday night, Julia, . Her best could curl your hair and make your ass whistle.) We cleaned up after 9 AM and as she headed to the shower I can still picture in my mindseye those silhouetted nice big lips between those luscious thighs walking away from me. I get hard just re-picturing those lips. .

Hunter Dave[/QUOTE]My mindseye of those lucious lips in the jacuzzi and in my bed.

May the monger force be with you!

Hunter Dave

My last trip was great and while I had several nice freebie and semi-pro lays I thought I would single out one special lay. While the 18 year old freebie and the 20 year old (Julia) University freebie were close Honorable Mentions and 1st runner-up, respectively, the Mong-scar (monger oscar) goes to Olya for her massages, great sex and mindblowing BBBJs. LOL! Overall a very happy and enjoyable trip!

ABC,

Hunter Dave

Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to ***** mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

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[QUOTE=Bbilly; 1187948]Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments[/QUOTE]Bbilly,

Sorry about your negative experience in Kyiv thus far. I am not sure what advice I can give you other than make sure you dress well (I always wear a fashionable dress shirt and tie or jeans with a blazer and lacoste shoes) , carry more money on you (I usually have 2-2600 grivnha on me) and use your gut instinct when speaking with a woman in Kyiv. Not all Ukrainian women are poorly mannered and looking to take advantage of you, but when you decide to meet women in clubs there all bets are off. Try the internet. Like you I am not into strippers and outright prostitutes. I prefer chasing semi-pros or regular women. I find the interent is a much better source than clubs. But that is just my two cents.

However, I want to thank you for being so honest in your post. It was an interesting and entertaining read. I mean that respectfully. Much more realistic than some of the obviously fabricated, exaggerated and outright boastful drivel that gets posted on this forum. Trust me, your experience is probably much more common than you think. It just doesn't get posted. Good luck in your future hunting!

[QUOTE=Bbilly;1187948]Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev.[/QUOTE]These girls are in a currupt state of mind. They are found everywhere on the globe. The more you try to impress them, the more their distorted childish egos will try to step on your face in an irrational attempt to boost their self esteem, and to get as much as possible for as little as possible. A desperate power game, where no one really did define the agenda and target (I doubt that you where shopping for a wife; hence the Toyota talk is of topic in that bar). Their greedy egos are in control and the sane thing would be to immediately leave this negative place, and try to meet someone that is more open for accepting either your attention or your cash, without having to compensate their life compromises by trying to make men in their surroundings feel as unworthy qualifiers. But they are pretty and have a vagina so staying and trying is the mongers lot in life. .

A man should never qualify, at least not on these parameters you mention. Especially not for a wh*re. Tapping a shoulder would be a mistake in many places where people are angry as a default state, but maybe if you just face these girls in a not so passively aggressive way and are honest about your intentions? Tell a girl that you find her incredibly beautiful and sexy, and would like to spend the evening and possibly night with her. Smile as you charm. Before she replies you ask her if you can buy her a drink. Her exit to dismiss you or say yes. If SHE does not qualify for YOUR attention and money within that one drink, send her off just like you would do in Brazil. You lead, she follows. I rarely entertain two or more girls if I intend to fuck that night. It can go just about either way, unless they are outspoken pros with a price tag around their neck, or unless one is my "gf" of course.

Although I only traveled to e east Europe some 7-8 times I get to work a lot with people from these countries, and as I see it the predominant female brew in east Europe is a mix of traditional man / woman stereo types and a simplistic materialistic definition of power and success. A slightly desperate ideology that I think is greatly affected by the erased history (simple but enlightening reading is for example "Imperium" from 1993 by Ryszard Kapu&347; ci&324; ski). I find such impress-games you mention totally boring and they trigger things in me that makes me feel less happy about myself and my evening. Detach from it or walk away is Barbas recipy for himself, when in such negative energy fields. 50% of the ISG population will think that I am just babbling away with superficial shit, but I bet that that if you stop trying to impress these girls and just focus on partying and having fun with others like minded, the females will be impressed and will start to want your attention and your money.

Good luck!

B.

[QUOTE=Bbilly; 1187948]Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

Comments[/QUOTE]=+1Mate.

Similar experience in Ukraine. Girls seem to be dumb and ADD. Ungrateful cunts. Even teenage mothers with no future demanding too much! Reminds me of USA.

So I am confused.

This guys says "she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet"

300 grivna = $40.

How do you setout to get some 9 quality rated pu*why with only $40 bucks in your pocket.

[QUOTE=Bbilly; 1187948]Ok so I usually don't post much but here's my take on Kiev. First I'm at lybid hotel 70 buck, run down a bit girl friendly before 9pm. I went to dlux, (very posch) caribian club (small nice for dancing) buddha bar, (nicer than even dlux) vodka bar (non-pros, young crowd, loud music bar, good) and finally SHOOTERS, which I haven't seen reported yet on the forum.

So shooters is for a well dressed young to old crowd, the old being men with money. A tough face control at the door, my arabic "friends" (I'm white) got shut out twice in a a row and I almost did, and I saw others get the negative too. I just didn't bring a sport coat or dress shoes on this trip. Shooters was nice, crowded and had hot women all 7-10 non and semi pros, probably pros too but its not a structured pro place at all.

ANyway here's the meat of the story. I meet a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19 (old actress) and begin the process. She likes me and says she wants a virgin mojito, ok no biggie after 5 min but I buy it, then after 15 min she says lets go upstairs for sushi, I think ok she may be trying to get over on me but I also think this is the way it is here and there is no way around it.

We sit and eat and she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night) and they don't take amex so. Whew.

And now the fun begins, I was playing it as a non-pro freebee- she said she studies law so I say do you work also, she says no and I say so how do you pay for school and living, thinking I'd get a sad story and then I could say "oh maybe I could help you with that," but instead she becomes offended and says she doesn't like the question. She begins to text her friend and than says"I want to smoke" So thinking I blew it I start damage control with out being to weak looking saying, hey its a fair question and I'm just trying to get to know you" Mind you she hasnt let on to being a prosti yet but I'm getting to think she is by the attitude and other small details.

Long story short, she offered no signs of actually liking me aside from sitting with me and I really just wanted to say,"ok lets cut the shit, you want 600 grivnha or what?" but I didn't have any obvious clue that I should break character. I had told her my job and that I wanted to spend my last day in Kiev with her tomorrow and all she kept saying was "maybe I'm very busy tomorrow" So I'm thinking WTF and she keeps saying she wants to go to the maldives with me? But not lunch? So finally I see the waitress drop off a pack of cigs, I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car" I laugh inside thinking. So in ukraine you must just have to brag and brag, spend 100 bucks up front on drinks and dinner, then if you blow enough smoke up their asses you can F them for free?

I say,"ok I'm going to go get my friend and borrow 30 grivnha so I can pay your smokes but I'm not happy with you or how you talk, you are very "bad educated" I come back 5 min later and magically she is gone and the bill was paid. I see her downstairs and she is already talking with some arabic guy of all people (how did he get in?) iI interrupt and send him on his way and say "oh I went back and didn't see you" she looked at me for a long 5 seconds. Grabbed her purse and went off in the direction of said oil sheek.

Side note, the night before two 9's came up to me all smiley and wanting to know where I was from, I am young looking (26 by all who meet me) but really nearer to 40, blond blue eyes in shape, so I get alot of looks here, they can tell I'm foreign. So these two 9's ask for drinks after 5 min and when I say ok and turn to buy them, hey are off talking to others and then slowly drift away as I wait for their drinks. Drinks arrive, they are out of sight. Again WTF?

Another girl, a 9 easy, I approached by tapping her shoulder since the music was extremely loud, she says" I don't like when men touch me" I say oh so you must not have a boyfriend then either, she actually smiled at that but then went back to * mode and said, I don't want to talk to you" I tried once more to no avail. This was the second time that happened to me, I barely tap a girl on the outer shoulder and BOOM, its over.

SO wrap up, I pick 9's only, true 9's not made up 28 year olds who have had kids, but young hot white w nice skin, and thin and I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year and know what a true hotty looks like. So maybe its the level but so far I really don't get it here. Granted I had only two nights but It seems the girls here are very cutthroat and basically stupid. Can't any guy just say hes rich? I'm not against buying a drink even though I would never do this in the US, I know its a different culture but why ask for a drink and bail? Why get so bent if you are a semi pro when I ask about your work and don't buy 3 dollar cigarettes after 60 dollars in food and drink?

Is this just a bad start or am I playing the game wrong? I thought the soft sell was best. I never walk up and go "hey you, you want to F me? I pay you X amount"

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Given all we know about Kiev, these seems like a scam.

Will be in Kiev solo, my buddy pulled out due to stock market.

[QUOTE=Bbilly;1187948]a 9 that looks like jennifer conelly when she was 19[/QUOTE]Too bad you didn't score her. A younger and sexier J. Connely must be something to behold. I'm a sucker for this kind of look!

[QUOTE=Bbilly;1187948]I'm a guy whos lived in brasil for a year[/QUOTE]Brasilian women and slavic women are fundamentally different. You can score a brasiliera just by being "nice". A slavic woman, not so."Mr Nice Guy" is the most notoriously ineffective tactic with them. To score Slavic women, you have to enter into Slavic women psyche, and with all due respect, you obviously haven't understood yet the Russian (or Ukrainian for that matter) mentality. They are wild. They are passionate. They want to be played with. They want to be dominated. They expect a man to be manly, direct, mischevious, unompromising, unpredictable and exciting. And keep in mind that Slavic women are notorious for testing the boundaries of controlling men, but it's all up to you to remind them that you are the boss. In fact that is what they expect from you. To dominate them. To play with them. The behaviour of a typical "nice" western guy is not a behaviour they understand or respect. IMO (and I hope without offending you) you obviously adopted the wrong "nice" behavior with Jennifer.

A question: do you drink? Remember that most slavic women drink like Cossaks and when it comes to party, expect a guy to be correspondingly heavy drinking. In clubs, they don't want a nice talk. They have wild partying on their minds, and look for similarly well-appointed, heavy drinking and generous men with the right "look" and "game" to provide the drinks and company to get the job done. At you to fit in and keep up.

[QUOTE=Barba;1188133]I bet that that if you stop trying to impress these girls and just focus on partying and having fun with others like minded, the females will be impressed and will start to want your attention.[/QUOTE]+1. This is also my strategy. Obviously having a good time, drinking cocktails and enjoying myself as if I didn't have a care in the world. Ignoring most every girl in the place. Aloofness. Sooner or later you'll get attention. I can't count the times when in a FSU club, standing at the bar, a girl came and said me "You look mysterious, I had to talk to you". This is an effective tactic especially with the hottest girls, the kind who are used to getting hit on 50 times a night and rejecting all 50. Giving the girl the flattering impression that SHE scored a player. Girls like "Byronic" characters, or to reffer to Russian culture, modern Petchorins (A hero of our Time by Lermontov).

Hey guys, Noticed some of you are looking for apartments around Kiev right now. Found a good place near the main square at this site: [url]http://www.ukr-apartments.kiev.ua/[/url]

They speak english and will hook you up with a place. They'll usually ask to call you back, sometimes you have to remind them a couple times, but my place is a pretty good deal. 80 us for 1 bed. 1 pull out couch, a small office area, kitchen area, and patio. Much bigger than I expected, and within walking distance of Vodka Bar and Buddah Bar.

In fact if anyone needs a couch to crash on or wants to meet up in Kiev let me know! I'll be here for the weekend, maybe even next week too.

So far I've been to Vodka Bar twice, Shooters once, Taboo Lounge and no cabarets. I"ll probably hit a cabaret or strip club soon to check it out, and then report back about each of the places, differences etc.

Haven't yet mongered successfully, was mostly going for freebies, but I'll be whipping out the wallet soon.

[QUOTE=Johnny204; 1188282]Hey guys, Noticed some of you are looking for apartments around Kiev right now. Found a good place near the main square at this site:

[url]http://www.ukr-apartments.kiev.ua/[/url][/QUOTE]Anyone rented from here: [url]http://kiev-rooms.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Il Duca; 1188226]So I am confused.

This guys says "she orders two more virgin drinks along with a sushi plate and it was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet"

300 grivna = $40.

How do you setout to get some 9 quality rated pu*why with only $40 bucks in your pocket.[/QUOTE]It was his fourth place that night, that's probably the main reason.

"It was a total of 300 grivna which was exactly what I had left in the wallet (it was my 4rth place that night)."

[QUOTE=Bbilly;1187948]I have no money and I tell her she has to pay for that and then the beast comes out,"oh you don't have any money? This is too much for you hahaha, I call my friend then, I like ukranian guy he pay all, hahah I don't like you, you ask question I don't like and you don't pay my things." I remind her I paid 400 already on her and that she should say thank you and not insult me and that maybe in her country its all cash but in america we use credit cards and its not my fault they don't accept it in this place, Also that she never asked if I would buy cigs for her. So we get in a mini battle about manners, and she insists my card was "out of money hahaha" and that I don't have much money, I say I could buy a car with that card and instead of shutting up she gets into"what type of car?" and seriously wants me to name drop cars I "could" buy. I keep it real and say oh who cares, maybe a toyota, she thinks this is ok and says "oh that is a good car"[/QUOTE]In Ukraine they do not understand how credit cards work. They only know about prepaid credit cards. That's why she wanted to know about the car. They don't understand that you apply for a credit card, bank checks your credit history, approves your card, gives you credit and then once you receive your statement, you pay off the balance.