East China - Shanghai

Number 833 is a cutie who can suck with the best of them.

I'm always a little hesitant about mongering in Shanghai due to language. Some guys on the plane behind me were talking loudly about their night on Thursday at Manhattans but that's not for me as due to my physical condition I get ignored at pickup bars. SNG recommended Rehai Sex Sauna because Jimmy the manager speaks excellent english and is very approachable. I contacted him through Weixin / Wechat and we became friends and he offered me a good discount of 698 for mention SNG. Anyway, he gave me a card to give to the (female) taxi driver and it was about 25 RMB from my hotel. The address is theà mù qiáo lù 2 hào (jìand zhào jiā beāng lù). Another way to get there is use Metro Line 9 and exit at Jia Shan Road Station, than go out exit 5 and walk around 5 minutes, than you will be there.

There used to be a side entrance but the guard advised that it was blocked and led me to Jimmy. In through main entrance, turn left before lifts and down stairs into basement. In the basement it is the usual sauna set up, change, have a shower, change into massage shorts and shirt. There is a two guys who speak excellent English there. Jimmy and the guy who looks after the showers.

Then through the maze to the girls area (very confusing route) where I came out to a small nightclub setup. Dance floor setup, where all the girls put down their phones, stand up and say Hello,. There was about 20 girls in casual nightclub and stripclub type attire. I really had no idea which one to chose as they range from babies (748 RMB) to models (A# with red writing for about 1048 RMB). All were quite attractive. Interestingly a couple with glasses which got me intrigued. I chose 833 as a result. I did spy A98 who is a tall black hair model type with a multicoloured back tattoo. Jimmy has "apparently" girls of other ethnicities as well including Brazil and Japan. The pics on SNG are genuine.

Went into the room, she gave a small striptease. As usual hairy Bush, hairy armpits and no english. I guess this is a big turnoff about Shanghai mongering. The complete silence and lack of interaction and feedback makes for a somewhat tame session. Anyway, she starts with the kissing and licking all over which goes on for 20 minutes then rimming, then flip. She then does the same on the front and then starts wonderful deep oral. She's a pro, no doubt about it. I'm on some medication at the moment which reduces nerve sensitivity which makes oral less enjoyable and penetrative sex almost with out pleasure, so what I got for my money was really good oral and all over kissing including rimming, then a little, but not much, penetrative sex and then a handjob to completion.

She finished it off with a lame-ass massage but that's to be expected and didn't detract. She was quite shy and perhaps not as professional as a girl I met at Sacrosa last year who was far more vivacious and interactive, but I can't complain. It was a great GFE.

[QUOTE=PukiMonster;1650610]But face is all important, irrespective of whether the girl is WG, office worker, farm girl or company president. This is why being seen to spend money on a girl [B]is important[/B]. Foreigners who truly understand this, are much more successful in their relationships with Chinese girls.[/QUOTE]Sadly,

The reverse is also true, he who is overly generous is considered a fool, and will have little respect.

Apart from boasting of material success, the girls want to show their independence by keeping a string of "friends".

Could it be that a married girl with one lover is being unfaithful, whereas, with several lovers she is simply taking care of her family.

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1650774]Sadly,

The reverse is also true, he who is overly generous is considered a fool, and will have little respect.

Apart from boasting of material success, the girls want to show their independence by keeping a string of "friends".

Could it be that a married girl with one lover is being unfaithful, whereas, with several lovers she is simply taking care of her family.

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".[/QUOTE]Hmmm! The married girl with several lovers statement has made me think twice. I have not heard of this saying before. Food for thought! But, as far as I know, I have never known of a married girl with more than one lover, so I have no personal experience here.

I agree with the rest of your statements (with some reservations about how far I can throw some girls).

PukiM

[QUOTE=Fuzimiao;1650774]Sadly,

My motto is, and remains, "Trust her as far as you can throw her".[/QUOTE]I see someone that had a Chinese girlfriend. LOL. My girl never apologized for anything she ever did or the money expectations. She told me it was "reality" and she lived in it. It was my problem if I didn't understand. I ended it about that time. Much happier rolling the way I do now, and believe it or not Cheaper!

Those freebies will kill you in costs!!

A quick heads up. Si Yuan and Bodi both closed this afternoon.

No reasons given.

Manager at Bodi said things would be back to normal tomorrow but probably best to call ahead and check.

Anyone know why, LE crackdown?

[QUOTE=SamCan;1650905]I see someone that had a Chinese girlfriend. LOL. My girl never apologized for anything she ever did or the money expectations. She told me it was "reality" and she lived in it. It was my problem if I didn't understand. I ended it about that time. Much happier rolling the way I do now, and believe it or not Cheaper!

Those freebies will kill you in costs!![/QUOTE]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.

Tass, et al.

I believe that the Chinese worship money. Abundance goes way back in the culture. The more the woman gets gets the better she looks to her peers. A massage gal I know tells me how selfish I am and is bragging that another guy is giving her a bracelet worth 18,000 on her birthday. All the other Happy Ending gals are envious. I asked her to post the gift on Wechat. I told her that he must really love her. I can only love you a little. She gave me the choice of remaining a "friend" or just a customer paying per service. It was an easy decision. I plan on trying out all the other workers at her "store".

[QUOTE=Tasss;1651219]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.[/QUOTE]Could be it will destroy your illusion, but it will not be different with "out-towners". One different will be, that for a Shanghainese girl 5000 for a gift is nothing, for a out-towner it can be a valued gift already, so I would say, the "system" is the same, only the level is different!

When I came to Shanghai some years ago, I had the idea to find a serious girlfriend in Shanghai and started to search in the internet. Went to a contact page, registered for a profile and started dating. After the first girl asked me on our first date all about my income, house and car, I decided, not to date a girl a second time, if the "value things" are a part of our first date! And after some month I realized I dated more than 100 girls from that page, and only 4! Did not ask me "how rich I am" on the first date. I think this should be a good market research about the importance of money in a Chinese relationship. By the way, one of the 4th has been getting my girlfriend for a long time and one time I mentioned this "difference" to her, than she told me, she did not ask for my money, because from her feeling she was sure already that I would be rich enough for her!

[QUOTE=BobTheRhino;1651169]A quick heads up. Si Yuan and Bodi both closed this afternoon.

No reasons given.

Manager at Bodi said things would be back to normal tomorrow but probably best to call ahead and check.

Anyone know why, LE crackdown?[/QUOTE]There was a sting on 19 November in the Pudong New Area with "224 people held". Possibly LE is set to repeat it on the other side of the Huangpu.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1651219]Was your girl Shanghainese or from outside? I'd like to think it's mostly a Shanghainese stereotype but I'm wondering whether it's common for out-of-towners to be that way too.[/QUOTE]She was from jiangsu (spelling, not sure). That is one hour outside shanghai, not really an out of towner but Shanghai guide has already given you the answer. Shanghai girls are worse but it is just a measure of degrees.
at one point she called me as she had a new boy friend. she said I loved her more than he loved her. I am sure this means I gave her better gifts

[QUOTE=Comrade2255;1651328]There was a sting on 19 November in the Pudong New Area with "224 people held". Possibly LE is set to repeat it on the other side of the Huangpu.[/QUOTE]A TOTAL of 224 people were held in a series of raids on prostitution and gambling venues over the weekend, police said yesterday.

Swoops were conducted across the city and 56 premises offering prostitution or gambling services were shut down in the operation.

Officers said that 26 of those held in the raids have been detained for trial, while the remainder were fined or received an administrative detention.

This is the eighth crackdown operation on prostitution and gambling this year, said police.

In one raid over the weekend, Pudong New Area police shut down a prostitution ring involving 14 people.

[URL]http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/society/224-held-in-gambling-prostitution-swoops/shdaily.shtml[/URL]

While I do agree with most said here I would like add a few things just for the sake of perspective. Talking about Chinese girls is as much useful as talking about say American girls. They are all individuals and different. Even if it does not seem like that. Do not forget what a Chinese says and means an be very different. Often they just want to test you. I met great Chinese people in all social classes but also many selfish assholes. Again across all social classes and origins. Another thing to take into account is the level of poverty many of these ladies suffer or their family in their hometowns. Visit these places and you will learn a lot about the real society here. A few hundred RMB still can change many families life's. And cost of living is going up dramatically. Money as a security deposit in current China's money centric society but for many people it is a necessity. Not all are Gucci wishing money grabbers. People are also extremely flexible. One moment a gold digger the other moment she may do you for free and cook you dinner. All happened to me. But also the opposite applies. This is one key for me to understand life here. Nothing is as it seems. Nothing stays for long. If you are not able to adapt fast and react accordingly you will have a difficult life in China and just get screwed continually. Just be a bit clever and life can still be gorgeous. Enjoy as long as it lasts.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1651318]Could be it will destroy your illusion, but it will not be different with "out-towners". One different will be, that for a Shanghainese girl 5000 for a gift is nothing, for a out-towner it can be a valued gift already, so I would say, the "system" is the same, only the level is different!

When I came to Shanghai some years ago, I had the idea to find a serious girlfriend in Shanghai and started to search in the internet. Went to a contact page, registered for a profile and started dating. After the first girl asked me on our first date all about my income, house and car, I decided, not to date a girl a second time, if the "value things" are a part of our first date! And after some month I realized I dated more than 100 girls from that page, and only 4! Did not ask me "how rich I am" on the first date. I think this should be a good market research about the importance of money in a Chinese relationship. By the way, one of the 4th has been getting my girlfriend for a long time and one time I mentioned this "difference" to her, than she told me, she did not ask for my money, because from her feeling she was sure already that I would be rich enough for her![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FernandoAlonso;1651582]While I do agree with most said here I would like add a few things just for the sake of perspective. Talking about Chinese girls is as much useful as talking about say American girls. They are all individuals and different. Even if it does not seem like that. Do not forget what a Chinese says and means an be very different. Often they just want to test you. I met great Chinese people in all social classes but also many selfish assholes. Again across all social classes and origins. Another thing to take into account is the level of poverty many of these ladies suffer or their family in their hometowns. Visit these places and you will learn a lot about the real society here. A few hundred RMB still can change many families life's. And cost of living is going up dramatically. Money as a security deposit in current China's money centric society but for many people it is a necessity. Not all are Gucci wishing money grabbers. People are also extremely flexible. One moment a gold digger the other moment she may do you for free and cook you dinner. All happened to me. But also the opposite applies. This is one key for me to understand life here. Nothing is as it seems. Nothing stays for long. If you are not able to adapt fast and react accordingly you will have a difficult life in China and just get screwed continually. Just be a bit clever and life can still be gorgeous. Enjoy as long as it lasts.[/QUOTE]Thank goodness someone finally attempted to put this thread into perspective. Well done!

I think that many here truly fail to appreciate the level of poverty in the rural areas. I have known personally of a few cases, and read of many, where a parent just fatalistically accepts an easily curable illness and gradually die because they cannot afford the costs of medical treatment. Coincidentally, the father of a friend (of my GF) died in agony last week of a leukemia related illness. And the girl's tight-fisted English BF refused to even donate a few RMB to make her father's last few weeks of life a little more comfortable.

Ikksman.

Just some advice for everyone, you probably really want to watch it with Spa visits.

My favorite had always been the spa next to the Hilton on Hong Song East road, but it got closed start of November. Same with Yu Yuan on Lian Hua Road and 99 on Qilian shan road. Probably quite a few others too. The only ones that remained open was New Wave on Zhong Shan Road (inner ring) near Wuzhong Road and another spot I hadn't known about close by on Wuzhong Road. All girls from the other sauna's pretty much crammed into New Wave.

The one on Hong Song road reopened for about a day in mid-November before they had to shut down again. As far as I know New wave is still operating (I think the owner has several places, but this one is a bit lower profile and he has his connections) but they did have to close two days ago for a day. Not sure if it's safe.

On the plus side, there's lots of sauna girls out there on a break, and most are happy enough to hang out or provide freebies if you speak Chinese.

[QUOTE=Ikksman;1651597]Thank goodness someone finally attempted to put this thread into perspective. Well done!

I think that many here truly fail to appreciate the level of poverty in the rural areas. I have known personally of a few cases, and read of many, where a parent just fatalistically accepts an easily curable illness and gradually die because they cannot afford the costs of medical treatment. Coincidentally, the father of a friend (of my GF) died in agony last week of a leukemia related illness. And the girl's tight-fisted English BF refused to even donate a few RMB to make her father's last few weeks of life a little more comfortable.

Ikksman[/QUOTE]In summary. Chinese people are simply pragmatic. Everything else is just a facade. If something benefits us or our families, we want it. If it doesn't, then we don't.

Just be open-minded. The willingness to accept and understand cultural differences will really help. Treat a Chinese woman with respect and honesty and they will definitely reciprocate the gesture.