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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3033619].. The MILF was great, very mature in attitude and conversation. However not sure I can recommend the place. Little Fingers, Blue Parrot, and Lollipop bars are all small places, with a dozen girls or less, and seem to have so few customers that you wonder how they keep the lights on. Anyone else with another view of LF?

Mixed drink p350, LD p390. Barfine p3900, girl's tip p5000 all girls (according to the MILF).[/QUOTE]IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck varies

[QUOTE=KbNagar;3033745]IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls.[/QUOTE]Oh, some of these small bars have poor AC. You can ask them to make changes, increase or decrease temperature the way you want. You can chose songs without having to pay a DJ.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;3033745]IMHO, bars like LF, Ironhorse, Dimple are preferable if one likes the following: (1) They are less strict about their rules, give us foreigners more autonomy to do things (2) Non-pushy waitresses (3) Cheating is less rampant (4) Low lights for max perving and (5) Girls don't push you for BF. Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck varies[/QUOTE]Solid report, and I concur. Especially your list. For better looking girls and perving, I recommend Nautica, V-8, Marquee, Ironhorse, Maison, and Lips. I don't have enough info to speak of NN, Fyre, Champaign (lot of girls and booths, but just from a quick walk-in and look-see), and Bottoms.

Kojax / Plan be report. Location: Burgos St corner Durban St, across the street from Filling Station Resto. Wednesday evening 10:30 pm. There were 16 girls present and 5 customers including me. Two customers had a girl for LD. The rest of the girls sit or stand on the stage, playing Jenga and no dancing. My opinion, 13 of the 16 girls were do-able, and that's a good ratio. Several of the girls were real lookers. A mama stops by to ask if you want a girl, and that's about as exciting as the place gets. Very loud music. The girls don't really wander the bar looking for a LD.

Rum-coke was p200, lowest I found on Burgos. There is a laminated drink price for LD's that started at p400 and went upwards. Barfine info from the mama and a girl was p4200 + girl's tip. The booths were occupied, and pervin' is difficult at a tall table, so one drink and out.

Friday evening repeat. This time 30 girls, again 23 do-able, and 6 customers. Considerably better atmosphere, the girls seemed to be in a better mood and moving somewhat more around the bar, chatting customers (still many of them sitting on the stage), or sitting in 2's or 3's at the tables.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3033938]There is a laminated drink price for LD's that started at p400 and went upwards. Barfine info from the mama and a girl was p4200 + girl's tip.[/QUOTE]Always good to hear the latest LD prices and rates Westie, and justify my decision to give that scene a miss when there's so many other options available. Admittedly not for the newcomers or two-week warriors happy to have a vacation where everything's basically sorted, but wow, things are getting steep in the bars.

[QUOTE=KbNagar;3033745] Places with action have girls who seem to have ADHD, and are not focusing on you or your enjoyment! I am self-centered bas* and I like to keep things in my control! You have to find the right girl / girls. Some or many of the girls don't show up consistently. Luck varies[/QUOTE]Nice observation KB.

There's no way I'm paying for someone who's not focused on the customer.

I know a lot of guys talk about the 'good old days' and prices back then. It's not so much about the money. More, the service you were provided. Back then, you weren't swamped by 'leeches' looking to drain your wallet for a LD, and when you met the right girl, there was no ST, one shot stuff going on. You basically had her for the night and it was so much more personable.

I don't know if it's the current business model introduced by the Koreans, but back in the day when the Americans, Australians, English and Europeans used to run the show, the customer service was amazing, and the girls were too.

And they weren't on their phones all the time as soon as they entered your room.

The first thing I used to do back then, was take the batteries out of the remote control in the hotel room so the occasional one knew that they were there for a purpose and not to enjoy the luxury of a hotel television.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3034086]Always good to hear the latest LD prices and rates Westie, and justify my decision to give that scene a miss when there's so many other options available. Admittedly not for the newcomers or two-week warriors happy to have a vacation where everything's basically sorted, but wow, things are getting steep in the bars.

Nice observation KB.

There's no way I'm paying for someone who's not focused on the customer...

Just my experience _ Phil.[/QUOTE]I'm unreservedly cheap but I'd beg to disagree about LDs. They can represent as much value for money as the guy wants and allows. For me, P300 to 400 for a fist full of pussy and a face full of titties represents pretty good value. Of course, the caviet is that services have to be provided as drinks are flowing. So many guys buy drinks as a form of flirting or foreplay and then complain that the girls are distant when the money stops. Remember that the girls live in the here and now. They will normally respond (very) well while drinks are being bought but owe us nothing after that.

Again, customer service can be what ever the guy allows it to be. Guys buying drinks and barfining outgoing and touchy girls reinforces this but walking in, pointing to a stunner glued to her phone, barfining her and leaving two minutes later only rewards bad habits.

Chivalry is dead because women killed it but Mongering is dead because Simps killed it.

Enjoy. G.

Dimple's bar report. Location: Durban St, near corner Burgos St. Across the street from the Mexican Cantina. I went in on a Monday, Wednesday, and a Thursday, 10 pm-ish and the previous heyday is gone. On Monday and Wednesday there were 6 girls. On Thursday there were 12 girls. I bounced each time as there was no dancing and no customers. A week later I went in on a Friday evening and there were 20 girls, 11 do-able. Mixed drink p290, LD 400. Barfine p4600 + girl's tip. On the Friday evening just 4 customers at 10:30 pm (one whale). A mama stayed and chat with me for about 20 minutes while I nursed my rum / coke. Oddly, she asked if I wanted some massage and I said yes. She went to the massage, which is not what mamas normally do. Tipped her on the way out for the massage. The place seemed a shell of its former self, not only from when it was on Burgos, but since its been on Durban St since Covid.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3034270]Dimple's bar report. Location: Durban St, near corner Burgos St. Across the street from the Mexican Cantina. I went in on a Monday, Wednesday, and a Thursday, 10 pm-ish and the previous heyday is gone. On Monday and Wednesday there were 6 girls. On Thursday there were 12 girls. I bounced each time as there was no dancing and no customers. A week later I went in on a Friday evening and there were 20 girls, 11 do-able. Mixed drink p290, LD 400. Barfine p4600 + girl's tip. On the Friday evening just 4 customers at 10:30 pm (one whale). A mama stayed and chat with me for about 20 minutes while I nursed my rum / coke. Oddly, she asked if I wanted some massage and I said yes. She went to the massage, which is not what mamas normally do. Tipped her on the way out for the massage. The place seemed a shell of its former self, not only from when it was on Burgos, but since its been on Durban St since Covid.[/QUOTE]I always wonder WTF happened to all these places? The owners gave up on them, they don't want to make any money, or they are just a front for laundering money?

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3034308]I always wonder WTF happened to all these places? The owners gave up on them, they don't want to make any money, or they are just a front for laundering money?[/QUOTE]I would imagine two things: 1) The money laundering; and 2) While many gogo bars are fairly devoid of customers since about a decade ago, there are more whales in the bar. A whale (s) comes in twice a night, spends an hour buying 20-50 LD's, that's the equivalent of many lone wolves who buy only their drink, or 1 LD each. There are clearly fewer customers in the bars and on the street, even on a weekend, from pre-covid, 40-50%.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3034353]I would imagine two things: 1) The money laundering; and 2) While many gogo bars are fairly devoid of customers since about a decade ago, there are more whales in the bar. A whale (s) comes in twice a night, spends an hour buying 20-50 LD's, that's the equivalent of many lone wolves who buy only their drink, or 1 LD each. There are clearly fewer customers in the bars and on the street, even on a weekend, from pre-covid, 40-50%.[/QUOTE]It's not like the pond dried out, there is plenty of fish in it, thousands of pretty girls eager to make a buck, why the fat ugly and old ones, it's not like the flight attendants unions in the west, where they can't get rid of the senior ones and employ young attractive ones. That's what I can't understand. And while you have them there, on the clock, make them dance a little on the stage, it's fun and pleasant, better than plowing the rice fields behind a carabao. By the looks of the entire situation the only conclusion that comes to mind is that the owners have a very strong bankruptcy wish. Their money, their choice, but in the process they are drastically reducing our options.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3034386]It's not like the pond dried out, there is plenty of fish in it, thousands of pretty girls eager to make a buck, why the fat ugly and old ones, it's not like the flight attendants unions in the west, where they can't get rid of the senior ones and employ young attractive ones. That's what I can't understand. And while you have them there, on the clock, make them dance a little on the stage, it's fun and pleasant, better than plowing the rice fields behind a carabao. By the looks of the entire situation the only conclusion that comes to mind is that the owners have a very strong bankruptcy wish. Their money, their choice, but in the process they are drastically reducing our options.[/QUOTE]While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3034398]While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.[/QUOTE]While everybody is leaning towards that explanation, I disagree: too many girls, too small of a on line paying customer base. I don't have hard facts, but just by thinking of it, it doesn't make sense. Girls in all the countries, all over the world, millions of them, are trying to get money this way, just too many of them around doing it, to be somehow financially rewarding. I know lots of perverts, and none of them ever paid a penny to any online sex services.

On top of that the logistics involved are available just to a handful of them.

I may be wrong but that's what comes to mind when I think of it.

[QUOTE=OldAndUgly;3034404]While everybody is leaning towards that explanation, I disagree: too many girls, too small of a on line paying customer base. I don't have hard facts, but just by thinking of it, it doesn't make sense. Girls in all the countries, all over the world, millions of them, are trying to get money this way, just too many of them around doing it, to be somehow financially rewarding. I know lots of perverts, and none of them ever paid a penny to any online sex services. On top of that the logistics involved are available just to a handful of them.

I may be wrong but that's what comes to mind when I think of it.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree Ugly. There's so much competition between the girls now setting themselves up online. There will always be the customer who wants to 'walk into a store' and see the goods firsthand.

However, after a bit of research and online digging, you can find some great catches with freelancers.

I've found you just have to be direct and upfront.

If one knocks you back, there will always be another in the queue to get a cash reward for pleasing a foreigner who is over 50.

Just my experience _ Phil.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3034398]While I totally agree with the sentiment, we have forgotten one very important part of the discussion and explanation: the bargaining power is no longer with the customer or the bar owner, it's 100% with the girls.

There was a time when she had the choice of working in the bar or planting rice behind a Carabao. That's no longer the case. Now she can make a lot more than farming and even sucking dick simply by working her phone. No working an embarrassing job until 4 am. No pretending to enjoy sucking 70 yo dick. No having a mamasan telling here what she can and can't do. Now she can go down to Starbucks with her friends, sit and chat all day and watch the cash roll in. It's hard to overstate just how easy it is and how much cash can be earnt. The consequences are that it's not surprising that they don't care about what punters think or risks of being pushed from the bar for poor attitude.

Sucks to be us.

G.[/QUOTE]Not necessarily G.

There is still hope.

We just have to keep track of how to play the game.

There will always be an avenue to take.

The bars have become too greedy, not to mention the girls relying on working there and expecting a highly inflated payment as opposed to actually what they're really worth.

We can work our phones too and work out a great negotiation. I've recently done it on the freelance route.

It's equated to great all-nighters at a fraction of the bar prices and with just as great, if not, better action in the sack.

_ Phil.

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3034465]

Not necessarily G.

There is still hope.

We just have to keep track of how to play the game.

There will always be an avenue to take.

The bars have become too greedy, not to mention the girls relying on working there and expecting a highly inflated payment as opposed to actually what they're really worth.

We can work our phones too and work out a great negotiation. I've recently done it on the freelance route.

It's equated to great all-nighters at a fraction of the bar prices and with just as great, if not, better action in the sack.

_ Phil.[/QUOTE]We can disagree on he scope and ramifications of girls chasing Johns online but you've touched on another benefit of Pinas: they are great fans of differential pricing. Daddy can buy an iPhone and a house but when he's back home she's very open to sucking dick for 2 k a night. The same for the 10 k bargirl with bills to pay: she has no hesitation in calling a old friend for a 1500 quicky. That's the SAME GIRLs.

Enjoy. G.

Coco Rock bar review. Location: Burgos St, between Durban and Kalayaan streets. Between Nautica and V-8 bars. Must walk up a set of stairs to second floor. I was the only customer at 9:30 on a Thursday evening. Guessing that there were no / few customers before me, and that this is a slow night for the bar, as there were only 4 girls on duty (all slender and pretty, I'd do any of them). Two were playing pool. No LD / pervin' session, just a rum / coke and out. P250 my drink, p390 LD. Barfine is p3900 + P5000 tip (all girls same tip according to the mama).

Sign on the wall says: "Pool p75. You pay whether you win or lose".