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[QUOTE=Liljoey;1192427]Just to further clarify your comments, what rating would you give a girl like Amelia in the following links?[/QUOTE]She has a kind of "skull and crossbonesnish" face. Nonetheless body is fine.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1192997]LOL!

No, I didn't see anyone in London. Just took it easy. Yes, N really worked over me well, but sure, I might be a romantic as well. (After all, without trying to be controversial here, ever since I went to Maldives with a girl from Mamba in mid July where a singer sang Moon River at a restaurant for us, I've been humming Moon River.)

Yes, I had read your review of Amelia, but even before I did so, she was one of my picks along with Grace at Supreme 69 in London. But Grace doesn't look as nice in her new photos.

Now you make me even more curious about Amelia. She could be as nice as N, but I KNOW nobody can be better than N anywhere.

I went to Rio for 5 days in a row when I was in Kiev in July (as I saw the girl from Mamba only once after we came back from Maldives) but don't recognize any of Gloria, Bella, Tanya, and Ada. Maybe they were on vacation. Besides N, those whom I thought were nice at Rio were Alla and Renata (spelling?).

FYI, Yana from Gia was one of the prettiest girls I've ever had. Also one of the best lays. But her body isn't great.

BTW, have you ever tried to meet with Rio girls during day by getting their contact info?[/QUOTE]Daytime Meetings:

Of course I've tried to get daytime meetings but was not successful with the two girls who were my favorites. It never happened. Rosa was good about answering calls or texts, but was resistant to daytime meeting. Ada never answers her phone calls or texts. She said she lives with her mother and said she doesn't want to answer her phone from a guy when she is with her mother who thinks she works as a waitress. She too resisted offers of afternoon meetings. One might have thought such a meeting would be attractive to a girl looking to maximize her cash. Possibly its because Ada works just about every night in her drive to achieve her goals and quite simply needs to sleep. When I pressed her about coming over at 4 or 5 pm after she gets up, on the basis of what's the difference to her if I pick her up at the club or she meets me earlier, she was resistant and preferred that I come pick her up at 8pm at the club. Why were they resistant to the suggestion? Perhaps they are simply afraid of their employer which has strict rules about it.

Rio Line Up (Some Girls Worth Looking At. I'm not getting into "The Rating Game") :

Sorbonne. It's easy to miss girls at the club. Our tastes draw us to try with different girls. Also club has 120 girls in its employ, and easy to lose track of someone in that. So I'm not surprised I've not had the opportunity to take note of the two girls you mentioned. Alla and Renata. On the other hand, the girls I mentioned that you said you don't recognize. Gloria, Bella, Tanya, and Ada. Were all there at club tonight. Interesting.

It's often a matter of first come, first served, and many of the hotties are already with other guys and busy when you're there.

So it was with Ada (pretty brunette, very hot body) , Yanna (very pretty blonde, nice body) and Gloria (very sexy exotic looks blonde hair (from bottle) very good body but doesn't look as lean and hot as when I saw her in July). They were all there tonight, but were already in the clutches of others by time I arrived and they left with those guys.

Tanya was there tonight upstairs. She is one of the winsome, prettiest girls there, very good body, the slender dancer type rather than the voluptuous type. Watching her your heart can skip a beat. My last trip she said 'dancer only', so I didn't ask her out again, but she was very warm when I said Hello, so I gave her a 50 UAH tip in her bikini string as an investment in future relations and moved on.

Nikita, the drop dead brunette, was in the VIP tonight (POS1043. If this girl is not a 10, then fuck me, I don't know what is. She is prettier and hotter facially and body-wise than any Bond girl or Victoria Secret girl I've ever seen. But don't cum in your pants yet_LOL. When I was here in July she said "dancer only", so I didn't bother with her tonight, as I was focused on the possibilities for take out, rather than private dances.

Bella was there tonight upstairs. Her face looks like the 1930's famous German actress who made it to Hollywood, Marlena Dietrich, but Bella's body is very hot. I took a dance with her and she was great. Little English but we made do and I had her laughing nonetheless. She said she would go home with me, but I passed because I was after a different girl at the time and was probing her for future reference.

Taya, the true beauty I had written about in previous posts no longer works at Rio (per Dima). In her place is another very pretty blonde Taya, but whose body does not compare to the perfection of the previous iteration of Taya of Rio.

Anette is another blonde who deserves a look. She was downstairs has about as perfectly shapes an ass as one will ever see, and an awesome bikini model body, with long blond hair and a pretty face. She does go out. Her private dances are good primarily because she is so gorgeous. But as with all things in the universe, there is a dark side of the moon. She has that blunt manner of expression that so well fits with the Russian language and a strong, not so demure manner, which doesn't appeal to me. But if what you want is to fuck her, rather than converse with her, you won't get better or sexier visuals. Oh, and I almost forgot (No, I didn't) , she said she doesn't allow DATY, which was two strikes, and is why I passed on her.

Katia in the VIP tonight is one last Bond girl I will note. Her body is perfect and very sexy. Long brown hair, very cute face, but more sexy pretty than modelesque pretty. She had my blood boiling. Private dance was sizzling. I was getting in deeper and deeper to being bewitched by this one. Then it all came crashing down when she said she can't go home with me because she has her period. I believe that this is a standard blow-off line among the girls at Rio because many of the girls I've fucked started out with this line, and later, after I got on their good side, and they wanted to go with me, they said they had put in a tampon and all was green light and good to go. So I was not about to let Katia slip through my grasp without trying a little more. So I responded by telling her I love it when a girl has her period and I can't wait to go down on her_LOL. It got a good laugh from her, but then she revealed that her real reason she doesn't want DATY is because it's dangerous. So I told her that's no problem, because I will open up and put a condom on her and she will be as protected as during intercourse. I guess she couldn't think of a way out of that one, so she said that would be ok. Having gotten her to say she will come home with me (I wonder what happened to her period?) , I then said I will have to think about it, though, because maybe she just doesn't really like sex enough, or doesn't like me enough. So she begins trying to reassure me, and wants to know if I am taking her out tonight. So I said maybe tomorrow night, and so I agreed to a date with her for the next night, after she pressed me for it. But I'm really not so enthisiastic about spending $300 tomorrow night for a girl who wants me to lick her via a plastic barrier because she thinks DATY is dangerous, no matter how hot she is. I'll have to see how the repoire is between us tomorrow night and see how I feel about her then, before deciding.

Guys, there are no guarantees you will succeed in walking out of Rio with an 8 to 10 level beauty on your arm, to have and to hold in your bed that night. But the potential is certainly there. There are definitely a good number of very hot girls who would satisfy the desires of the vast majority of men. It is not as easy as picking from a list on a menu. Each girl's particulars are something that will require investigation, which will require you to invest time. But it is much easier to hit at Rio than in other places.

LJ

LJ,

"I will open up and put a condom on her and she will be as protected as during intercourse."

I don't think I'm understanding this. Are you talking about a female condom?

Did she even know what it was? I've used it only once, and the girl didn't know what it was, so she became curious and put it on. But it didn't really work well with me.

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1193334]LJ,

"I will open up and put a condom on her and she will be as protected as during intercourse."

I don't think I'm understanding this. Are you talking about a female condom?

Did she even know what it was? I've used it only once, and the girl didn't know what it was, so she became curious and put it on. But it didn't really work well with me.[/QUOTE]Sorbonne, I've never even seen a female condom, much less know where to get one. I was simply trying to improvise to get to the girl's pussy. Follow me here: splitting or cutting the edge of a normal condom and tearing it down the side until it can lay flat will provide a piece of plastic that can be placed on top of the pussy that is about to be licked. If you employ the following little piece of sophistry, how can she deny you: the protection given is by the same latex barrier that she was willing to trust her pussy to in allowing you to penetrate her, since she is willing to fuck with a condom. If she is open to full sexual intercourse with a condom, how can she say no to oral sex using the same condom?

However, putting this into practice is not as simple as it sounds, since the latex barrier interferes somewhat with the normal manner of performing DATY. Conceptually, the goal of DATY is to pleasure the female by using one's tongue to stimulate around and on the clitoris until she reaches an orgasm. Part of performiing this is using the tongue and lips to find, locate, position and caress the clitoris and move it around with one's tongue, to the best effect possible, which cannot be easily done with the latex barrier in the way. So several pointers may be in order. First, it is important to apply some good water soluble lubricant (like Astroglide or the like) to the entire clitoral area before placing the latex on top. That way the clitoris and labia will be able to slide around a bit in response to the ministrations of the DATY performer's tongue, so that the female can feel things very well. Also take care not to stretch the latex too tightly, as it will prevent the foregoing. Then go ahead and give her your best, taking care to try to isolate where her clitoris is by what you can feel with your tongue through the latex. Have fun perfecting the technique.

LJ

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1193388]Sorbonne, I've never even seen a female condom, much less know where to get one. I was simply trying to improvise to get to the girl's pussy. Follow me here: splitting or cutting the edge of a normal condom and tearing it down the side until it can lay flat will provide a piece of plastic that can be placed on top of the pussy that is about to be licked. If you employ the following little piece of sophistry, how can she deny you: the protection given is by the same latex barrier that she was willing to trust her pussy to in allowing you to penetrate her, since she is willing to fuck with a condom. If she is open to full sexual intercourse with a condom, how can she say no to oral sex using the same condom?

However, putting this into practice is not as simple as it sounds, since the latex barrier interferes somewhat with the normal manner of performing DATY. Conceptually, the goal of DATY is to pleasure the female by using one's tongue to stimulate around and on the clitoris until she reaches an orgasm. Part of performiing this is using the tongue and lips to find, locate, position and caress the clitoris and move it around with one's tongue, to the best effect possible, which cannot be easily done with the latex barrier in the way. So several pointers may be in order. First, it is important to apply some good water soluble lubricant (like Astroglide or the like) to the entire clitoral area before placing the latex on top. That way the clitoris and labia will be able to slide around a bit in response to the ministrations of the DATY performer's tongue, so that the female can feel things very well. Also take care not to stretch the latex too tightly, as it will prevent the foregoing. Then go ahead and give her your best, taking care to try to isolate where her clitoris is by what you can feel with your tongue through the latex. Have fun perfecting the technique.

LJ[/QUOTE]Have you ever tried this method for yourself? I have a simple solution for you. Buy a pack of female condoms! I live in California and found one at the condom section of Walgreen's drug store. No, I wasn't looking for it, but it just came into my eyes, as I was trying to choose male condoms. WTF is this? The pack was rather expensive at about $18 for 5 female condoms. I don't know if you have Walgreen's in NY, but Walgreen's is all over California. And therefore, I was surprised to see female condoms being sold there, as I was not aware that it was already so commonly used!

Now, I bought it just out of curiosity; I thought, theoretically, it must provide better feeling for men than a regular male condom, as my penis would be directly thrusting against the female condom which is supposed to be adhered to the wall of the tunnel. But when I tried it with a girl in Kiev last February, I didn't think it provided much different feeling from male condoms for me, so I still have four of them left.

"I will open up and put a condom on her and she will be as protected as during intercourse."

I misunderstood this sentence because you do need to open up girls' legs really wide in order to install a female condom on her.

Anyone out there had this girl? Think she's legit?

[url]www.kiev-companion.com[/url]

[QUOTE=Sorbonne; 1193596]"I will open up and put a condom on her and she will be as protected as during intercourse."

I misunderstood this sentence because you do need to open up girls' legs really wide in order to install a female condom on her.[/QUOTE]I meant simply to open up the package of the condom (take it out, cut or tear it down one side, spread it out on her) and she will be protected by the condom latex during DATY, in the same manner as the latex barrier protects her during intercourse. I guess I assumed everyone would imagine and fill in the part I left out.

Perhaps just for the entertainment value, could you go into some detail as to how the female condom actually got installed into your Kiev devushka so that it adhered to the inside of her vagina walls? Does the package come with some kind of applicator to get it into position inside the devushka? Or must the man supply his "applicator" to get it in place_LOL. And describe how it is deployed on the outside of the vagina? Does it cover the clitoris and the labia too? If so it gives the woman more protection that a standard male condom which allows some extra_vaginal pubic contact. Does it give the woman protection for receiving oral sex in its normal use, or is that an application you just thought I would appreciate, given my efforts to get the girl to agree to DATY, even going so far as to agree to covered DATY just to get down there and work my magic_lol.

[quote=liljoey; 1193619]i meant simply to open up the package of the condom (take it out, cut or tear it down one side, spread it out on her) and she will be protected by the condom latex during daty, in the same manner as the latex barrier protects her during intercourse. i guess i assumed everyone would imagine and fill in the part i left out.

perhaps just for the entertainment value, could you go into some detail as to how the female condom actually got installed into your kiev devushka so that it adhered to the inside of her vagina walls? does the package come with some kind of applicator to get it into position inside the devushka? or must the man supply his "applicator" to get it in place_lol. and describe how it is deployed on the outside of the vagina? does it cover the clitoris and the labia too? if so it gives the woman more protection that a standard male condom which allows some extra_vaginal pubic contact. does it give the woman protection for receiving oral sex in its normal use, or is that an application you just thought i would appreciate, given my efforts to get the girl to agree to daty, even going so far as to agree to covered daty just to get down there and work my magic_lol.[/quote]

as to how to apply the female condom, you had better just buy the package because it comes with an instruction. otherwise i may have to deploy my powerpoint here, which i hardly ever use.

because neither of us had ever used a female condom before, we had to struggle a little, trying different methods to put it in, with her legs wide open. but eventually i think she was able to put it in for herself.

yes, you can have a female condom cover a clitoris and labia, if you want. in this sense i think you're right; it provides a safer environment for her.

the instruction said something like,"you don't have to wait to put on the female condom until right before the intercourse. you can put it on anytime." this gave me a thought. what if i have a girl put it on before we go out for dinner? it would keep me aroused for the whole duration of dinner. but how can she [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]?

This occurred last summer the two nights before River Palace (RP) was forced to close. I had dinner and watched a World Cup match in the restaurant before heading upstairs to the night club. It was a Saturday night and the bordello was packed. I paid the 100 UAH cover and sat in the 'no smoking' section, ordered my customary whiskey and soda while observing the room. It was dark and filled with smoke, laughter and a plethora of women. At that point a tall, well dressed guy walked by my table trying to find a place to sit. RP was packed and the only available seat was at my table. He asked me politely if he could sit there and despite the fact I wanted to keep it free in case I invited a girl to sit with me, I was in too good of a mood to say no. The whiskey was bringing out the best in me. We started to talk. The new guy was an Italian who was in Kiev for business. He was very friendly and laughed good naturedly at everything I said. I liked that he was dressed so well. He ordered us both a Campari and soda. Within 15-minutes the Italian started speaking with this very tall, lanky student who was dancing in front of the mirror next to us. She sat on the chair with him and he bought her a drink. After a while she got up and went to dance with another girl.

'What do you think about her? ' the Italian asked me.

'Yeah, she's nice' I said politely. She was very tall and skinny like a lamppost but he seemed like a nice guy and I didn't want to disappoint him. Every time she came around his face lit up. I guess she was attractive, if you like exceptionally tall and skinny women. She had nice eyes which she used with great skill to flirt with us. She had 'fuck me' eyes.

'Is she going home with you? '

'Yes, we already agreed but she wants to dance with her friend for a while' he said with a big smile.

'Good man' I said.

'Do you like her friend? '

I looked over at her. She was the polar opposite of the lamppost – short, overweight with dull eyes and wearing too much makeup.

'Not my type'

'Why not? '

'I don't know' I said not wanting to say anything mean. The whiskey was really bringing out the best of me. 'She's not a woman I would pay to have sex with'

He laughed.

At that moment a tall, busty blonde walked by our table and looked down at us. I noticed her when she walked by the first time. She had pretty face and a pleasant smile. I stood up and squeezed her arm.

'Devotchka, do you speak English? '

'Yes' she grinned.

'You are quite lovely! Can I buy you a drink? '

An hour later we were laying in bed at my flat on Mikhailivska near O'Brien's Pub. Her name was Tatyana, she was a 23-year old student of law. She told me she was from a small town near Kharkov. She had a deep accent, unlike women in Kyiv, and possessed the nicest breasts I had ever seen. Tatyana was very pleasant, eager to please and answered with complete honesty anything I asked her.

'So, from what country do you prefer men from? '

She told me gladly.

'What about Ukrainian men? ' I asked her.

'Oh, I never go home with Ukrainian men'

'Why not? '

'They are very nice when you meet them but after sex they start yelling at you about being a prostitute. They say: 'how can you sleep with foreign men, aren't you ashamed? '

'And what do you say? '

'I tell them if they would like to pay for my schooling then I will gladly stop sleeping with foreign men' we both laughed at this.

'What other men don't you like? '

'I don't go with Turkish or Germans' she said.

'Why not Germans? '

'Do you have some whiskey here? ' she asked and crawled out of bed. I fixed us both a drink and we sat naked on my sofa. She wrapped her legs in mine.

'Tatyana, you have remarkable breasts' I couldn't resist stating. Really, they were perfect.

'Yes, everyone tells me this. One time I went home from RP with an older Latvian man. He told me when I am 50-years old like him my breasts will hang to my knees so I had better enjoy them now' she laughed.

We finished out drinks and I poured us another.

'And you are very handsome. How come you are not dating a nice Ukrainian woman? ' she asked.

"But you are a nice Ukrainian woman'

'You know what I mean'

'Tatyana, sometimes a man needs the comfort of a prostitute'

She smiled at this.

'I want to 69 with you again' I said.

'OK' she smiled.

I got Tatyana's number and we went out for dinner two nights later. She introduced me to a fantastic Georgian red wine and later I enjoyed her lovely breasts again. As I lay in bed that night I wondered how my Italian friend made out with the lamppost.

Great deals on Lufthansa within Europe.

Just booked a round trip ticket to Kiev for 140 € (from Paris). Going to spend a couple of days there next weekend to visit a fresh GF contact that seems worth the trip.

[QUOTE=POS1043;1192830]I was kind of impressed with your take until I got to number 6. That is bullshit I am 31 and pull 18-21 year olds all day long.[/QUOTE]I am myself on the wrong side of my 40s and date (and screw) hot 18-22 yo girls on a regular basis. I don't know any other place on the planet apart from FSU where it is both socially acceptable and above all possible, and where pickings are so easy. However you need to tick all the boxes (appearance, style, cultural awareness, ect) in order to be successful.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1194842]I am myself on the wrong side of my 40s and date (and screw) hot 18-22 yo girls on a regular basis. I don't know any other place on the planet apart from FSU where it is both socially acceptable and above all possible, and where pickings are so easy. However you need to tick all the boxes (appearance, style, cultural awareness, ect) in order to be successful.[/QUOTE].

Dear Prosal, agree with you and for me in Ukraine, Czech Rep, Slovakia and Poland the 18-22 yo girls are great and my goal. However, in your statement please consider also financial aspects, for the moment only Ukraine is still OK for me (how long?). The other countries I mentioned before, are not any longer under my destinations for a simple reason THE PRICES, in my opinion the salary level is still in some way not European however, the prices (including the prices for the girls) are more or less in a Europe level, which for me is not acceptable. I am looking for other destinations and I use to travel to Asia as well BUT the Asian girls are not my type (with only few exceptions).

I thing after the Football them in Ukraine, this destination will not be in my plans any longer and I am looking now for some other options maybe Belarus, Russia (?) , or others; however I dislike the Visa administration for these countries; therefore any advice for other destinations is welcome. Regards

[QUOTE=Sponsor74;1194897]I thing after the Football them in Ukraine, this destination will not be in my plans any longer and I am looking now for some other options maybe Belarus, Russia (?) , or others; however I dislike the Visa administration for these countries; therefore any advice for other destinations is welcome. Regards[/QUOTE]Uzbekistan is a good bet, still undervisited. Mixes are unbeated there. Many persian-ethnic beauties, slavic-ethnic (but less than in Russia or Ukraine of course) , Asian-ethnic, and all the blends in-between. Add a strong culture, nice cultural side-trips from Tashkent (Silk Road cities) , a busy nightlife, a rather good and unspoiled P4P scene, and a ridiculously cheap cost of life, and you have a good alternative destination.

[QUOTE=Prosal;1194842]I am myself on the wrong side of my 40s and date (and screw) hot 18-22 yo girls on a regular basis. I don't know any other place on the planet apart from FSU where it is both socially acceptable and above all possible, and where pickings are so easy. However you need to tick all the boxes (appearance, style, cultural awareness, ect) in order to be successful.[/QUOTE]Prosal, I have come to appreciate how sharp your posts are on Eastern Europe.

My last post simply made the point that it would be difficult for a one week tourist to pull an 8 or 9 from a club without p4p.

A trip to Kiev will be more fulfilling if you plan on the exchange of money before you even arrive. Trolling nightclubs and falling into every.

Man trap will only serve to bust your balls.

The social phenomena of young women dating older men is alive and well in Eastern Europe. But a combination of certain characteristics have to come into play.

Language, social status, wealth, whatever.

A foreigner that shows up to a Kiev nightclub with monger stamped on his forehead will be complete devushka repellent unless, of course, she's a prostitute.