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Anyone know if 이.용.원 provides extra service?? I seen a few in building basements (sang ga) with a barber pole and near singing rooms. They look a little run down and suspicious haha

Not familiar with kiss / lip cafes but you guys have me interested in these two. Can you guys provide directions to these places in general at least? Tried typing on Naver for Ipsagui in English and Korean but not getting a hit. Does it go by a different name? Can you at least give what subway exit number and distance? I can read Korean so I think I can find a way from at least the subway exit number if you don't want to give specific directions.

Thanks

[QUOTE=ParkerLewis;1722111]I've always thought about trying Leaf. Do they have showers?[/QUOTE]

Stumbled on this post and have a comment.

Having hobbied in the US first in my hobby career I was always under the impression the quality and service and price were way better in Korea then the US but having sampled the Korea Kgirls boy did I get wrong. Man the US guys have no idea how lucky they are. The service and quality of the Kgirls increase dramatically due to market supply and demand over in US. Here's an example checking out pretty much everything in Korea room salons to anmas etc. The Kgirls who go to the US are on avg the top tier room salon girls. In Korea I've met so many Kgirls who are pudgy, big Bush, no kissing, covered BJ, etc while charging similar price of 200-300. In US the Kgirls are on avg all slim, toned, cute to pretty, shaved and waxed, gives you DFK at the door, CIM, rimming as in anal cleansing deep, hard core P2P, even snowballing, 2-3 shots if you want, cuddling etc. And Its due to market forces. The Kgirls who go to US know that even though they have to give higher service they know that there cut of the fee is higher so they are willing to suffer through the extra service that they don't do in Korea. And I say suffer cause I talked to many Kgirls in US who tell me they don't like to do it but that's what US clients want and the money is better so they do it. Just makes me realize how little Kgirls in Korea get compared to working in the US with their higher demand services even though the overall price is higher in Korea.

Makes me miss how spoiled I was in the US. And also makes me realize how money can persuade someone who doesn't DFK or CIM to suddenly doing it just for probably 80 dollar more per client. Amazing.

[QUOTE=Sound7;1627343]One would expect in flux of new international unskilled workers in the Korean WG trade. For some reason the Korean trade industry / MMS are keeping the price inflated for tourist to avoid internationals from entering the Korean WG trade and charging the tourist the USA prices with limited access. So much for a multi-cultural society. It is not Germany.

South Korean unskilled labor moving to foreign destination to avoid the Korean wages under the pre-text of Language learning. See [URL]www.aamp.com[/URL] to see the number of young Korean providers that have moved to USA. 120,000 to 600,000 plus Won / HR.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1722452]Not familiar with kiss / lip cafes but you guys have me interested in these two. Can you guys provide directions to these places in general at least? Tried typing on Naver for Ipsagui in English and Korean but not getting a hit. Does it go by a different name? Can you at least give what subway exit number and distance? I can read Korean so I think I can find a way from at least the subway exit number if you don't want to give specific directions.

Thanks[/QUOTE]Lip Cafes don't have a store front or signs. It would be impossible to find one without having the exact address. Some of them are in residential buildings, others in fake nail salons and so on.

They are an underground part of the scene and don't publicly display their locations for good reason. If you can PM, I can send you the numbers for some of the places I have visited, but I will not give you their location. That is up to the receptionist.

[QUOTE=ParkerLewis;1722111]I've always thought about trying Leaf. Do they have showers?[/QUOTE]I haven't been to leaf, but some places have showers and will let you use them if you ask. The problem is that some places don't clean their shower facilities.

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1722568]Man the US guys have no idea how lucky they are. The service and quality of the Kgirls increase dramatically due to market supply and demand over in US. Here's an example checking out pretty much everything in Korea room salons to anmas etc. The Kgirls who go to the US are on avg the top tier room salon girls. In Korea I've met so many Kgirls who are pudgy, big Bush, no kissing, covered BJ, etc while charging similar price of 200-300. [/QUOTE]Yes, indeed, we are very lucky here in the US. I've tried Korean girls in Hong Kong and Seoul and I was rather disappointed with the service. In the US, DFK, P2 P, BBBJ, DATY is the norm, and the kitty is almost always cleanly shaved. Maybe, you guys should come to the US the Korean gals. I monger there because I travel for work, otherwise, I am very happy with the service I get here.

That's cool. But the reasoning by the security its odd in Korea.

I mean if lip cafes just do HJ and BJs seems weird they have higher security then Anmas and RLD when they have FS and its pretty much out in the open with signs etc. In these lip cafes how would even cops bust them? Even if raid what just zip up your pants right. Seems weird to me. Oh well.

I don't have VIP membership so can't PM and not familiar with the legitimacy of this site to risk paying with my credit card. Maybe later on when I'm more comfortable with this site. Thanks for the info maybe ill contact you in the future for the phone numbers.

[QUOTE=RainMania;1722603]Lip Cafes don't have a store front or signs. It would be impossible to find one without having the exact address. Some of them are in residential buildings, others in fake nail salons and so on.

They are an underground part of the scene and don't publicly display their locations for good reason. If you can PM, I can send you the numbers for some of the places I have visited, but I will not give you their location. That is up to the receptionist.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1722742]Yes, indeed, we are very lucky here in the US. I've tried Korean girls in Hong Kong and Seoul and I was rather disappointed with the service. In the US, DFK, P2 P, BBBJ, DATY is the norm, and the kitty is almost always cleanly shaved. Maybe, you guys should come to the US the Korean gals. I monger there because I travel for work, otherwise, I am very happy with the service I get here.[/QUOTE]You also have to consider the numbers. From what I hear, the best girls don't leave Korea. They make more money than the average Samsung salaryman.

The girls in Korea don't have the pressure to provide all those services because they literally have so many customers. Many of the pimps usually say the girls are in charge as to what and who they want to do.

The average RLD girl (not old or fat) probably makes 4-5 million won per month minimum, while the anma and officetel girls clear double, or even triple that amount if they work like crazy. For the 10 pro girls, 10 million won per month is on the very low side of what they would be making. A good 10 pro girl would make around double that amount easily, those are the kind of girls you use the company expenses card on, not your own cash as your pockets would be taking mega hits every time you visit them.

There are also hardcore girls on all levels (RLD, anma, officetel, room salon / club 10 pro etc) that offer whatever service you're willing to pay for, including 3 somes and anal. Some do it as part of their standard fee, while others charge extra.

Whereas in the US the girls have a smaller customer base and have to remain competitive, if one girl doesn't offer those services, another girl would. They also have to worry about things like police and immigration sticking their noses into the girls' activities. Plus the fact that many of them have to pay thousands of dollars (sometimes tens of thousands) for a broker to hook them up with travel and accommodation arrangements to get to US in the first place.

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1722842]That's cool. But the reasoning by the security its odd in Korea.

I mean if lip cafes just do HJ and BJs seems weird they have higher security then Anmas and RLD when they have FS and its pretty much out in the open with signs etc. In these lip cafes how would even cops bust them? Even if raid what just zip up your pants right. Seems weird to me. Oh well.

I don't have VIP membership so can't PM and not familiar with the legitimacy of this site to risk paying with my credit card. Maybe later on when I'm more comfortable with this site. Thanks for the info maybe ill contact you in the future for the phone numbers.[/QUOTE]Lip cafes are usually very cheap, offering services at 30-50 bucks on average, meaning most don't bribe the police. Apparently, they get raided a lot because of this, so many lip cafes change location every few months. The same goes for kiss clubs as well. During a raid, condoms are the smoking gun that the place is a prostitution joint, but there are also other things like the layout of the place, business licensing, lube and mouthwash, beds and massage tables and so on.

There was a report on here from a guy visiting 7 kiss club in hongdae during an attempted raid, and was locked in the place until the police went away. 7 kiss used to get harassed by the police often and is now closed.

For those that want to find lip cafes on their own, these are some of the Korean portals I use:

[URL]http://www.abam26.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.18sadan5.com/[/URL]

[URL]opview15.com[/URL]

[URL]http://www.yaha1.com/shop/list.php?ca_id=40[/URL]

You'll have to sign up for the sites in order to get the numbers. The sites are obviously all in Korean, so you'll need to be able to read hangeul.

Most lip cafes don't take foreigners (Gypoos and NE Asians are usually ok, but the problem is that you have to be able to communicate with the receptionist).

Good luck!

Thanks for the sites. Will check it out.

As for the kgirl scene in the US. Theres really no broker per say from what I've seen. Most of the k girls head over to US with pretty much via word of mouth by their "unnies" who went and came back and then some via websites in Korea that the owners in US advertise. So literally girl just pays for the plane ticket so at most pay like 1500. Housing and photoshoots for their ads are paid by the owners. Even Japan, one kgirl told me there's over 350 kgirl houses and the girls come and go. I think only trafficked girls are the ones who end up in eastern Europe or massage parlors in US. Incall escorts seem different story and safe for the girls these days. Even the kgirl I message with who returned from US Said she loved it in US. The money and US clients treated her like a queen some even wanted to marry her she said. She plans to go back next year. Might over stay her visa next time.

I guess whatever the reasons all I know is for price looks and service the kgirls in the US have the kgirls in Korea beat. And for me when I move back to US I won't miss Korea kgirls at all.

[QUOTE=RainMania;1723012]You also have to consider the numbers. From what I hear, the best girls don't leave Korea. They make more money than the average Samsung salaryman.

The girls in Korea don't have the pressure to provide all those services because they literally have so many customers. Many of the pimps usually say the girls are in charge as to what and who they want to do.

The average RLD girl (not old or fat) probably makes 4-5 million won per month minimum, while the anma and officetel girls clear double, or even triple that amount if they work like crazy. For the 10 pro girls, 10 million won per month is on the very low side of what they would be making. A good 10 pro girl would make around double that amount easily, those are the kind of girls you use the company expenses card on, not your own cash as your pockets would be taking mega hits every time you visit them.

There are also hardcore girls on all levels (RLD, anma, officetel, room salon / club 10 pro etc) that offer whatever service you're willing to pay for, including 3 somes and anal. Some do it as part of their standard fee, while others charge extra.

Whereas in the US the girls have a smaller customer base and have to remain competitive, if one girl doesn't offer those services, another girl would. They also have to worry about things like police and immigration sticking their noses into the girls' activities. Plus the fact that many of them have to pay thousands of dollars (sometimes tens of thousands) for a broker to hook them up with travel and accommodation arrangements to get to US in the first place.[/QUOTE]

"Leaf" or "leaves" is Ipsagui in English.

I've been avoiding using any Korean or even transliterations because the admin got onto me for it.

[QUOTE=RainMania;1722604]I haven't been to leaf, but some places have showers and will let you use them if you ask. The problem is that some places don't clean their shower facilities.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ParkerLewis;1723135]"Leaf" or "leaves" is Ipsagui in English.

I've been avoiding using any Korean or even transliterations because the admin got onto me for it.[/QUOTE]I see.

It's a play on the words ibsa (CIM) and ibsagui (leaf).

Ibsagui is in an apartment complex, so one would need to call them to get the apartment number in order to get access into the building. They have a shower there, but it does not look like it is cleaned regularly.

Hi Guys,

I am thinking about which place has less chance for STD infection. RLD, Anma, bbs (if FS provided), sports massage, or anywhere else.

I aware RLD has regular check-up, what about the frequency, what about other places, do they even do check up?

I am just a curious and cautious person, appreciate it if anyone has answers.

Chunge

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1723256]Can't remember for sure but are you Korean or white?

If nonkorean its amazing you get all this out of the norm services for foreignors like creampie etc or even finding lip cafes etc!

You should do a how to hobby guide for all the newbies. For sure you jnow the kgirl scene in seoul. If questons about the Us scene hit me up been hobbying in the US for years. Can't PM so hit me up as posts.

Happy hobbying.[/QUOTE]Thanks man.

I'm a foreigner, but I'm not white or East Asian. Though being either would make mongering here much easier!

There have been lots of successes, but also a fair number of rejections and disasters. One thing I've learnt with K-girls is that they ease up a lot even if you can only speak one or two Korean phrases. If you make the girls feel comfortable around you, chances are they'll be happy to reciprocate.

If you want something from them, just ask. They're already going to fuck you anyway so why not get a bonus or two. It's also nice to shatter some of the pre-conceived stereotypes they have about foreigners (dangerous, dirty, etc). Not every K-girl can overcome their brainwashing, but so e do.

Most of the mongering tips I have are already posted in this thread by others, including on lip cafes.