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[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337457]I Only public toilets could rival their pussies![/QUOTE]Dude, is it only me or do others find such comments offensive? Those girls are human beings too with feelings. They are providing a (welcome) service and to be honest, if you are so disgusted by them then what are you doing indulging in this hobby?

I would say that the particular girl who told me this story was a really nice human being. I'd be happy to go out with her. Seriously, I know that going to FKKs can really give one a skewed perspective but I never for one try to forget that they are normal human beings just like me and I try to treat every single girl with respect. Maybe that's why I usually get excellent service BTW! Even at Palace which is supposedly full of sharks. Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go at you but it isn't the first time you've made such misogynistic comments. Perhaps you are from a culture which treats women as second-class citizens and working girls as lower than animals?

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Back to your point. Look at it another way. Would you say no to having sex 12 000 times in 3 years and getting paid for it. At even 50 euros a person it works out to be 600K euros!

I wouldn't say no mate!

[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1337215]Well, I guess it varies girl to girl but one ex-Palace girl once confided to me that on that day she'd 'sucked 17 cocks'!

If we round it down to 15 just to make the calculation easier and assume a girl only works 5 days a week tha' 5 x 17 = 85 a week.

So 85 x 4 = 340 a month, so 340 x 12 = 4080 a year. Let's round it down to be nice to 4000 (days off, holidays etc.)

4000 a year! Let's take Frankfurt (and assume that most of the customers live there. I know it's not true but we're estimating here). The population of Ffm.

Is about 600, 000. Of these let's say 50% are men so 300, 000 men. I don't know the exact demographics of Ffm but we need to remove those under 18 and over 65.

Using the CIA factbook for Germany and interpolating we can remove another third. So that leaves 200, 000 eligible men in Frankfurt itself. (The greater Ffm metropolitan area.

Is much larger!)

So in very rough terms if you're in the Frankfurt area and you've been to Palace and assuming the girl lives there too (some don't of course) the rough.

Odds of a girl bumping into some guy on the street that she's fucked in the club is 1:50!

If we take the whole of the greater Frankfurt metropolitan area it rises to about 1:600!

So there you go, if we assume Palace is similar to the other big clubs then we can say that the odds of a girl meeting a guy on the street she's met in a FKK already.

Is between 1 in 50 to 1 in 600 which aren't that big odds!

In my case the only time in my life I bumped into a working girl I'd already fucked was in England but she gave me a smile and just walked on. Having said that

I did on a few occassions see girls from Palace on the same U6 as me as I was going to the club![/QUOTE]Why would you do a calculation based on the highest number she has ever sucked? How many girls see 85 guys / week for 4 years? Maybe I am naive so this is a question.

Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs (on the tabs it says which side side is the correct side). I had my reservations but figured it was a small bite in my hobby budget for the trip, at a euro a pop they're not cheap. I had to pick and choose the girls I asked if it would be ok to try out the condom, usually with girls I repeated with many times. Only two of the girls asked me to change condoms, probably due to the unique's lack of a rubberband at the base, girls probably thought it unsafe. It looked and felt odd for the first minute until the sex got it warmed up, after some action it really seemed to melt to the skin, almost like shrink wrap. Several times I'd have to check to make sure it was still on, it felt exactly like I was fucking bareback.

I've tried out a variety of thin condoms, these were by far the thinnest I've ever run across. Take for example the crown skinless condoms, they have a thickness of 0. 00185". That seems pretty good until you compare them to the unique's thickness of 0. 00059", about a third the thickness of the crowns. They sure aren't cheap but when your spending as much as we are spending on the hobby, its a drop in the bucket to try out something unique (pun intended). FYI bought them thru ebay, make sure the seller ships them to your address.

[url]http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.cfm[/url]

[url]http://www.pasante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=75[/url]

[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337722]Why would you do a calculation based on the highest number she has ever sucked? How many girls see 85 guys / week for 4 years? Maybe I am naive so this is a question.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoky! I'm not sure if it is such an exaggeration. Many girls at Palace will start work at around 6 and work till 4 am so that's 10 hours. Even if we say they work for only 8 hours a lot of them will process 2 guys an hour (if not more) so that still makes 16 guys per work day and I based my calculations on 15.

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Of course this is only a mathematical model and makes many assumptions but I'm sure I'm not too far off the true figure. Someone like HB will be able to tell you more!

Some girls of course have their favourite customers whom they'll only wait for and spend X hours with them. Others process a guy every 5 minutes. So as a guestimate I'd be happy with the figures.

[QUOTE=Simex; 1331731]If your only free to play on Sat & Sun. My strategy to maximize quality line-up; atmosphere and experience:

1) Saturday. Mainhattan / Palace (Lineup good and good party atmosphere)

2) Sunday. Oase (Lineup good, where as in Palace and Mainhattan Sunday lineup is known to be poor)

I have been to LMP. Is Katie (Kate) the tall stunning blonde Polish bird still partying.

I was her first client on her first day. 3 years back.

Because you're relatively new to the FKK scene, beware of the sharks and upsell in Palace.[/QUOTE]It's hard to recommend against Oase. I would recommend starting at Oase. If you like it or find a "must repeat" girl, then you can come back the next day. You can hit palace on Sunday and bail to Oase if you don't like the lineup. I spent the first two days of my "virgin" fkk trip at Oase and I did not regret this at all. I could have gone a third day in a row but I had some logistical restraints. You can always branch out later when you come back. If I lived in London I would be a frequent visitor for sure.

[QUOTE=Breadman; 1337725]Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs (on the tabs it says which side side is the correct side). I had my reservations but figured it was a small bite in my hobby budget for the trip, at a euro a pop they're not cheap. I had to pick and choose the girls I asked if it would be ok to try out the condom, usually with girls I repeated with many times. Only two of the girls asked me to change condoms, probably due to the unique's lack of a rubberband at the base, girls probably thought it unsafe. It looked and felt odd for the first minute until the sex got it warmed up, after some action it really seemed to melt to the skin, almost like shrink wrap. Several times I'd have to check to make sure it was still on, it felt exactly like I was fucking bareback.

I've tried out a variety of thin condoms, these were by far the thinnest I've ever run across. Take for example the crown skinless condoms, they have a thickness of 0. 00185". That seems pretty good until you compare them to the unique's thickness of 0. 00059", about a third the thickness of the crowns. They sure aren't cheap but when your spending as much as we are spending on the hobby, its a drop in the bucket to try out something unique (pun intended). FYI bought them thru ebay, make sure the seller ships them to your address.

[url]http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.cfm[/url]

[url]http://www.pasante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=75[/url][/QUOTE]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?

[QUOTE=Breadman;1337725]Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman,

Are they really good?

If it is like on this video, I'm not convinced,

Will the condom shrinking on your penis when you put it on. Sounds funny.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyOE1nDcJI[/url]

NC

[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]I have tried my own condoms but generally girls aren't that happy with this, even ones I have known for a while. They get used to the cheapo house ones and don't like to vary.

I broke one Pasante Unique so I can't recommend them.

[QUOTE=London Traveller;1337738]I have tried my own condoms but generally girls aren't that happy with this, even ones I have known for a while. They get used to the cheapo house ones and don't like to vary.[/QUOTE]If they've been sitting around waiting for someone to take them to the room, they're usually pretty open to using any condom. I'd ask them if I could use my own condom at the same time I was asking them if they'd like to go to the room. You make them think the request for the room hinges on their answer on the condom.

[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]If you want to try true 'ultrathin' condoms you'll want to go to the non-latex condoms. Durex ultrathins are still latex. Someone mentioned that sagami original 0. 02 are a good choice. Yeah, the pasante unique's are 'saran wrappish' at first but once they get warmed up they are incredible. Yes, the girls did look on with some skepticism when I pulled out the condom, but all of them went along for the ride once it was rolled on. And again, I only used them with girls that I repeated with before. The durex ultrathin condoms are 55 microns thick, the sagami's are 20 microns thick and the pasante unique condoms are 15 microns thick. Sagami's are over 2 bucks each, I just bought some pasante unique's for just over a buck each.

The pasante unique condoms come in a 3 pack. They also have these two pull tabs that have "this end out" stickers on them. Once you get ahold of the tabs, the condom rolls on much easier and faster than a normal condom. Half a second. Great for those who lose wood easily if the girl starts to fumble. Odd thing though is the base doesn't have a rubber band, they are designed to mold to the skin and not move once heated up. Never had any issues with them trying to roll up or fall off. Not having that rubber band cinched around the base of the penis actually increased the bareback sensation. They're worth trying out.

[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]I take my own and use unlubricated "Kimono Microthins Large". For me, the large size is just as important as thinness because regular condoms pinch and hurt The Cane, and I don't like that. Ouch! I generally don't have a problem getting the girls to accept my condoms anywhere I go. I can only recall a couple of instances where somebody objected out of the many girls I have been with.

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[QUOTE=Nick The G;1337688]evilution?[/QUOTE]Typo? Individual unconsciousness? HB[/QUOTE]No, that expression was given birth by the collective unconsciousness through many human beings!

Unfortunately I wasn't the first one to have this idea for "evilution"

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evilution[/url]

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Nor did I succeed with SillyCones.

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[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337718]I have a lot of respect for these ladies. Most of them are nice and some are real sweethearts. You and I are taking advantage of an economic and cultural phenomenon wherein guys who do not look like Brad Pitt can fukk unbelievably hot women for very affordable prices. Appreciate, do not denigrate.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your sentiments Smoky Jack. I'm glad you spoke up. Most fkk girls are the sweetest, kindest girls I've ever met. The service levels are often astoundingly high. They deserve a lot of respect. They've got a tough job and most of them do their job really well. I know I'd have a hard time shagging fat, ugly chicks if the roles were reversed and I found myself in dire economic circumstances.

It's a real wonder we don't see even more sharky behavior among the girls with all the jerks they have to put up with at the club and with all of the mistreatment they must have to put up with. Now I'm sure there are plenty of nice guys out there, but at the same time, I'm sure that they run across some really foul men while we pick and choose our favorites.

When folks unnecessarily denigrate our kind ladies on this forum, it not only reflects poorly on the community as a whole but also on the author who posts such things.

Please think carefully before writing unnecessarily insulting things about our kind female friends.

Thank you for allowing me this intermission but this needed to be said. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

I got a bunch of pm's asking me where I found these, here's some links on ebay that I found. Ebay seemed to have trouble finding these if you used the regular search on their website, I used google. All different sellers, rates etc.

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/380190396857?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url]

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-PASANTE-UNIQUE-Non-Latex-Condoms-4-69-incl-P-P-/280659288848?pt=UK_Health_HealthCare_RL&hash=item415898e310[/url]

[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Pasante-UNIQUE-THINNEST-Non-Latex-Condoms-Fast-Post-/300598893382[/url]

[url]http://stores.ebay.com/Rubber-Soul-Shop/Pasante-Unique-/_i.html?_fsub=879725016[/url]

[QUOTE=Breadman;1338244]I got a bunch of pm's asking me where I found these, here's some links on ebay that I found. Ebay seemed to have trouble finding these if you used the regular search on their website, I used google. All different sellers, rates etc.[/QUOTE]These are non-lated, but strange as they are loose-fitting and rustle like an shopping bag. You really need to use a lubricant inside and out or it'll just be a strange experience.

If you're looking for a non-latex, non-membrane condom (who in their right mind still uses lambskin? Too many, it seems.) my preference is the Sagami. 02, in Europe also known under the Protex 02 name.

[url]http://www.condom-sizes.org/thinnest-condoms/thinnest-condoms[/url]

Fits like a normal condom, comes in a little cup and is easy to get on, but with a little lube it'll transfers heat so it's like nothing's on. Guaranteed perfect heat transfer. I discovered them in Singapore and can recommend them highly.