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Girls who work at Anmas are germ phobes I think from start to finish your washed constantly. Soap wash gel soap wash mouthwash brush teeth gel wash covered FS wash disinfectant spray etc etc.

Dirtiest has to be RLDs. Can't see any showers and just use wipes to clean your penis of days worth of sweat and dried up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and then blow you. Creampie. Etc. Even the girls they just seem to wipe their tits and pussy with handy wipes and that's it so if you end up licking or DATY other parts of their body your probably eating some dudes leftover sweat, spit, or cum. I take that has highest risk of STD due to terrible hygiene. But for me 90,000 for BBFS and creampie is too hard to resist. Figure as long as I don't DATY or lick their skin I can deal with it. Better then paying 200,000 plus at Anmas.

[QUOTE=ChungeDdd;1723300]Hi Guys,

I am thinking about which place has less chance for STD infection. RLD, Anma, bbs (if FS provided), sports massage, or anywhere else.

I aware RLD has regular check-up, what about the frequency, what about other places, do they even do check up?

I am just a curious and cautious person, appreciate it if anyone has answers.

Chunge[/QUOTE]

In Cheonho, the girls shower before and after seeing you. They also require you do the same.

In Miari, the girls shower before and after seeing you as well, but they don't ask you to shower. If you do want to shower though, they are always happy for you to do so. I myself have showered a few times at Miari.

In Suwon, I haven't really seen anyone shower before or after.

I haven't had any luck at 588 so I wouldn't know. Same goes for Yeongdeungpo.

As for the hill in Itaewon. Some girls shower after seeing you. SOME girls, others just use wipes and send you on your way.

Generally, I like to shower at home before going mongering. So at places like lip cafes, Cheonho and Miari, I'm already fresh. And if I shower again at the venue, doubly fresh!

[QUOTE=RainMania;1723436]Thanks man.

I'm a foreigner, but I'm not white or East Asian. Though being either would make mongering here much easier!

There have been lots of successes, but also a fair number of rejections and disasters. One thing I've learnt with K-girls is that they ease up a lot even if you can only speak one or two Korean phrases. If you make the girls feel comfortable around you, chances are they'll be happy to reciprocate.

If you want something from them, just ask. They're already going to fuck you anyway so why not get a bonus or two. It's also nice to shatter some of the pre-conceived stereotypes they have about foreigners (dangerous, dirty, etc). Not every K-girl can overcome their brainwashing, but so e do.

Most of the mongering tips I have are already posted in this thread by others, including on lip cafes.[/QUOTE]I am also a foreigner, neither white nor Asian, and I have been quite successful with the Korean providers here in the US. I am very nice to them, respect them, and treat them like a friend. It has gotten me quite a bit of mileage. A girl even invited me to visit her in Seoul and I took her on her offer. I travel to SEA every year, and last month I stopped in Seoul for 4 days. I had a blast with her, and I feel comfortable going to Seoul by myself now.

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1723492]But for me 90,000 for BBFS and creampie is too hard to resist. Better then paying 200,000 plus at Anmas.[/QUOTE]How long is the 200 K session? 1 shot, 1 hour,1/2 hour etc. Are you guys paying close to USD $200 for a one time fuck in Seoul? Mind boggles. I am planning my next trip to SEA and with Korea Airlines, I was thinking about turning a long layover to a 4 day trip. Sounds like I may be limited to the Korean food only!

Hello all,

I have been perusing some of the websites you listed earlier. Is a Hugyetel generally open to foreigners? What is the SOP there? Also confused with some of the lingo. Any insight on how to translate some of the slang? For example Course A will be (o t, o ss) etc in hangeul of course.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1723669]I am also a foreigner, neither white nor Asian, and I have been quite successful with the Korean providers here in the US. I am very nice to them, respect them, and treat them like a friend. It has gotten me quite a bit of mileage. A girl even invited me to visit her in Seoul and I took her on her offer. I travel to SEA every year, and last month I stopped in Seoul for 4 days. I had a blast with her, and I feel comfortable going to Seoul by myself now.[/QUOTE]Agreed on that.

The girls usually appreciate it when they get nice clients. In this part of the world, the average K-punter (no offence to K-guys) treats the girls like trash.

The Kgirls in the US tell me all the time how the non Koreans especially older over 40 white guys treat them like ladies etc and I guess reason a lot of the Kgirls who overstay marry these nicer guys.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;1723669]I am also a foreigner, neither white nor Asian, and I have been quite successful with the Korean providers here in the US. I am very nice to them, respect them, and treat them like a friend. It has gotten me quite a bit of mileage. A girl even invited me to visit her in Seoul and I took her on her offer. I travel to SEA every year, and last month I stopped in Seoul for 4 days. I had a blast with her, and I feel comfortable going to Seoul by myself now.[/QUOTE]

Yeah same here I think the rates for what you get in Korean for are ridiculous. Other then RLD you get like no DFK, mediocre BBBJ, big hairy Bush etc.

Anyway Anma are like $200-$220 depending on what anmas. Each anmas have "events" like 3 girls or multiple shots. Anyway all are 1 HR and get multiple shots. Then even more of the ripoffs are the room salons and incalls apartments which go like 200-500.

[QUOTE=LifeIsABeach;1723703]How long is the 200 K session? 1 shot, 1 hour,1/2 hour etc. Are you guys paying close to USD $200 for a one time fuck in Seoul? Mind boggles. I am planning my next trip to SEA and with Korea Airlines, I was thinking about turning a long layover to a 4 day trip. Sounds like I may be limited to the Korean food only![/QUOTE]

I don't think majority of kguys are being jerks but just spoiled and take the girls for granted. I think its the few real bums who makes all the kguys look bad. Reason a lot of kgirls in US don't service Kguys. Which sucks for me but I take it as part of the deal as in since I'm Korean I get better GFE and more service like bareback FS compared to the non Koreans.

[QUOTE=RainMania;1723825]Agreed on that.

The girls usually appreciate it when they get nice clients. In this part of the world, the average K-punter (no offence to K-guys) treats the girls like trash.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Phloppy;1723773]Hello all,

I have been perusing some of the websites you listed earlier. Is a Hugyetel generally open to foreigners? What is the SOP there? Also confused with some of the lingo. Any insight on how to translate some of the slang? For example Course A will be (o t, o ss) etc in hangeul of course.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure how well received foreigners are at hyugetels. Standard procedure is usually-- make a reservation, go in at the allotted time, pay up, typically a shower is provided, do the deed, shower, gone.

Off the top of my head: In hangeul, "OT" is full nude. "ST" is only topless. "O SS" is cum in mouth. "CH R" is when they continue sucking after you've cum. "HP" is handjob / play.

[QUOTE=KgirlPower;1723840]I don't think majority of kguys are being jerks but just spoiled and take the girls for granted. I think its the few real bums who makes all the kguys look bad. Reason a lot of kgirls in US don't service Kguys. Which sucks for me but I take it as part of the deal as in since I'm Korean I get better GFE and more service like bareback FS compared to the non Koreans.[/QUOTE]By-Country list had Koreans at the bottom. Google "Rushton's are K life history theory of race differences in penis length and circumference examined in 113 populations", personality and individual differences, volume 55, Issue 3, Pages 261-266, Richard Lynn.

Maybe Kgirls are just tired of getting the short end of the stick.

A while back I posted about how there were no extras to be had at Thai massage joints. Boy was I wrong.

I've found three Thai joints this year (one is no longer is business) with extras, and there are certainly a couple hundred others where extras can be had.

Let me define Thai massage place. A Thai massage place is where you get a massage on a floor mat. As opposed to a massage table. The girl may or not be Thai, and the massage may or may not be Thai, but you'll be on the floor.

With my additional experience, it's real easy to identify the places where you *can't* get extras. If the outside signage appears to be a Thai massage chain, has a web address, or posted prices, it's going to be legit. If there are extensive Thai knick-knacks (statues, large framed pictures, a magazine reading area) it's going to be legit. If they soak / wash your feet outside of the room, it's going to be legit. If they have a "menu" which states the prices / services. Basically if it talks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

A few Thai places I've been denied service in the past several years, and now I know why. They weren't completely legit, and didn't want westerners hanging around.

Here are some common characteristics of the 3 Thai places I've been to with extras:

*The girls where casual, borderline skimpy, outfits. Shorts that show a lot of leg, short sleeve shirts. But they aren't sexy outfits.

*They'll get real close to the junk when massaging your thighs but they won't touch your junk. They'll spend a lot of time on the thighs. Looking back, there are several places where I could have gotten HJ if I would have been a bit more assertive, but I always assumed no extras at Thai places.

*A lot of body contact. At legit places, the girls massage you without doing things like straddling you, or touching right up against you while massaging you.

*The places have limited size / space up front. The front counter space will be very small, no extensive signs advertising prices, maybe a couch and TV behind the counter. Basically the same kind of setup you'd see at a standard barbershop. Again, the key is not a professional look.

*High turnover in working girls. They won't last more than a few months at most.

*The massage rooms. They're very very no frills. Not dirty or anything. Extremely simple. No soothing music pumping into the room. Or. Usually not. They probably won't give you a hot cup of tea. The one place does give a really quick foot soak, but it's very quick and mostly pointless, and its in the room.

A quick review of the place I went to that is now closed. Near the end I think they went completely legit. After getting HJs regularly for a while, the last two visits I not only didn't, but, the girls acted completely dumb, as if HJs were never actually possible in the place.

Place number 2 (about a ten minute walk from place number 1). The only really noticeable outside advertisement is a shabby looking picture of a female giving another female a massage. By the way, that is a very common advertisement for Thai massage places. You'll typically see posters either in the windows, or on the walls on the stairways walking to them. No barber pole. They have two different dudes who work the counter. One speaks English very well and is friendly. But only if there aren't any Korean guys around. Sometimes he'll take 10,000 off the price. He'll try to give me the girl who speaks the most English. The quality of girls. Anywhere from 5 to 7. 5. Mostly about 6 or 6. 5. The one 5 I saw. She was a fatty. But she also did about a minute of BBFS. I see a smoking older lady walking around sometimes, I don't know what her deal is. I've been here about 8 times. One girl I saw 3 times, but I think she's gone now. She was the 7. 5. One girl I saw twice, and then 3 others. Quick turnover of personnel I think. They're all young, between 20 and 25, and they are all Thai girls. They know how to give legit Thai massages. These girls don't like the 2 hour Thai massage option, so there's no point in paying for that, because you'll get closer to 90 minutes even if you pay for 120. They upsell the handjob for 30,000. I haven't been able to negotiate down. What I have been able to do at this place is get more on top of the HJ, to include DATY / FIV / BBBJ / BBFS (quick). And I will ask for, and receive, a really *good* HJ, as opposed to the bullshit you'll usually get at places like Cool or KBs. I've built street cred at this place now, but, not enough to get a discount. For oil / aroma massage (which you should always go for), it's 100,000 for 90 minutes. For non-aroma it's 70,000 for 90 minutes. I think So you're not getting the HJ as part of the price. It's a bit expensive actually for not getting an HJ automatically. I've asked, and I am the only westerner that goes to this place regularly.

Tips. Make sure you get your full massage! These girls will basically stop their massage completely after the HJ, so, if you try to get it too early, you will lose massage minutes that you have paid for. I am a big clock watcher at massage places and I expect to get mostly the full time (85 minutes if I'm paying for 90 minutes, and my clock starts when they walk in the room). So don't request the HJ until about 15 or 20 minutes left.

Place number 3 (about a twenty five minute walk from place number 1). This place is significantly different. It appears to be more upscale, but, again, lobby and front counter space / area is very small. About half the rooms have a shower, which is awesome. This place has 3 levels of service. No oil. Aroma. VIP. VIP is full service. And there is not tipping. I've always gone with the VIP. VIP is 150 without oil massage, 160 with oil massage. I'm not quite sure what the other prices are. You're paying for 60 minute massage, then the full service. If you arrive before 9 pm, the massage girl is different from the FS girl. If it's after 9 pm, it's the same girl. There is no clock when it comes to the FS. But I think it's 30 minutes. But I think I've been longer than 30 minutes once, and it wasn't a problem. But I've also never been there when it's busy.

What's great about this place is the quality of FS girls, and the quality of massage. I go before 9 pm, and I get a freaking amazing 60 minute massage (the massage is usually first, but, not always). One of the masseuses is Korean, but she gives like the best Thai massage ever. Some of them will give you a ball massage before the FS girl comes in. If you go after 9 pm, the quality of massage really depends on the FS girl. Some of them give awesome massages. Some of them don't but will make up for it with a more sensual massage. With one girl it was a combo of massage / foreplay. And then the FS. The girls are in the 6. 5 to 8 range, and they are 20-25 years old range. I'd take this over the typical anma. You're on a comfortable floor pad with room to roll around, the girls are going to be young and hot. You can shower before and after. This setup is better than any anma experience I've ever had. I don't like being in a "wet" environment for the majority of the time. And I want to get a fantastic massage out of the experience. All the massage girls. Not as hot as the FS girls. But everyone here looks pretty good, including mamasan.

I think the FS is *supposed* to be pretty limited. But. I can push it to include fingering and DFK and BBBJ. I absolutely could have gotten with one of the girls outside of her job, but I'm seeing someone currently. Haven't had BBFS here yet. Pretty sure I'm the only westerner who frequents this place.

So, place #2. 130,000 won for 90 minutes, oil massage plus at least a HJ from a 20/25 year old in the 5.5 to 7 range. Place #3. 160,000 for 90 minutes, oil massage plus guaranteed full service from a 20/25 year old in the 6.5 to 8 range. How much more you can get, YMMV, which is part of the fun. This is highly recommended for brothers who are into Thai massage, really damn good massages, and FS with tight Thai girls who aren't barbershop / anma robots.

I did mention that I'm the only westerner that goes to these two places. I'll ask for permission to share location with a friend. If you have PM, send me a request and intel please. I'm searching intel on erotic / sensual / tantric massage in Seoul. Not necessarily escort, but why not. I have yet to have that kind of situation in Korea, and looking to include that option in my monger rotation!

[QUOTE=Dexter88;1724011]By-Country list had Koreans at the bottom. Google "Rushton's are K life history theory of race differences in penis length and circumference examined in 113 populations", personality and individual differences, volume 55, Issue 3, Pages 261-266, Richard Lynn.

Maybe Kgirls are just tired of getting the short end of the stick.[/QUOTE]Most girls would rather service 10 small cocks daily than 10 big ones.

It's a job after all, and the vagina does get sore after sex, so it makes sense to take the easy option. Most girls get sore after just one or two rounds of sex. Imagine doing five to ten rounds daily!

Sometimes girls even check my junk before taking me (by copping a feel) to make sure I'm not packing a monster. The mistake they make is that hey check my junk when it's flaccid (haha!).

Once we're inside and junior wakes up and stretches to his full size, some girls get worried but I always assure them we would take things slow, which always works. They are always amused and impressed with the difference in sizes though, and some even play with it like some sort of pet (LOL).

[QUOTE=SeoulSex;1723949]I'm not sure how well received foreigners are at hyugetels. Standard procedure is usually-- make a reservation, go in at the allotted time, pay up, typically a shower is provided, do the deed, shower, gone.

Off the top of my head: In hangeul, "OT" is full nude. "ST" is only topless. "O SS" is cum in mouth. "CH R" is when they continue sucking after you've cum. "HP" is handjob / play.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Some of them I could figure out. What about NF? Some girls have NF next to their name. Does this mean "no foreigner?

NF means "new face. ".

Good luck. Give us a report back!