Manila

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1244811]It is not too hard to believe Samm.

If I owned a coffee shop and I had any person coming in to sit and take up space and wait for friends or family to show up and then they left without buying any coffee or food, I would be pissed and I would watch for them to try it again.

Same thing isn't it?[/QUOTE]Well, MBC is not exactly like a coffee shop. It is a big bar probably total capacity is in the hundreds when full. Maybe next time I go there in May will check it out. It is simple, Just need to ask the door security people.

Will not make any difference to us but if this rule is strictly followed there will be less number of surrounding poor province girls coming there. I tend to like them because they seem less hard core and gladly willing to stay LT.

GFE too. Those girls just want to get out of the bar as quickly as possible and get into your room. Many of them are really poor. Some told me they can only go home in the morning because they told their parents that they are going to spend the night at their girlfriends house. They have barely enough money to get home. One girl showed me her purse and had only 80 pesos. So if that 80 pesos are spent on a drink it will be a problem. With hundreds of girls coming in and out how can the security keep track of who left without buying a drink last time? Rarely security check the I. D but always look inside their purse to see if they have drugs or guns.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1244827]I saw the same thing at G Point. A girl came in, sat at the bar and didn't buy a drink. She was told to either buy a drink or leave. She left.[/QUOTE]G-Point has been forcing the drink for many years, before the LAC closing. You'll see girls with a bottle of water at 1am, which she's been nursing since 8pm. P40 for the girl, p80 for you. Same bottle in the Robinson's grocery is p8? P10? This past June when I was walking towards Starbucks from Robinson's in Cebu Fuente, I grabbed a bottled water from a street vendor for p15. I would guess the MBC girls also get a discount that cano don't.

I remember that one of the things said in the fracas that followed the LAC raid 2 years ago was that if a girl has a drink in front of her then she can safely say that she is in the bar to have a drink and meet her friends.

If she doesn't have a drink, then it is not so easy to justify to police or any raiding party why she is there. If it is to meet friends then she can do that in a mall or in the park or wherever.

If a girl doesn't have any money and she is in a place like LAC where you cannot get anything for free, then she is much [B]more likely[/B] To be accused of being there trying to get money ie solicit for prostitution which is illegal.

I will repeat what I said before: if I owned a business and people were coming in to my store/shop/bar/coffee shop whatever and just standing or sitting around and had no intention of buying anything (or had no money anyway), I would respectfully ask them to move on. Just last week I bought a coffee in Starbucks in Robinsons Malate and there were no seats available. The guard saw my dilemma and he asked 3 people who were just sitting in the seats in front of the shop taking a rest to move to allow a customer to sit. I thought that was good customer service.

Thanks for all the reports. Will check it out myself for the first time in a year soon and hopefully have some good stuff to add. Have the Exec. Plaza booked again via entertainment. Com / hotels. Com (I. E. Eligible for partial rebate through one of their deals). Am an 18-year veteran of PI trips; used to be heavy on AC but gradually discovered that supply wasn't really a problem in Manila, and that general quality of life and walkability were improving in Malate and Ermita. Seems like some recent regression but I'll try to stay optimistic. Will also be coming in from Thailand, so will have a comparison basis. Seems I always do better in the PI. About half my expat friends in Thailand can sorta relate but still don't get to PI that often, and the other half tried it once and couldn't get past the poverty / grot factor. I think my record for LA / MBC is 5 different. Best wishes.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1244902]With hundreds of girls coming in and out how can the security keep track of who left without buying a drink last time? Rarely security check the I. D but always look inside their purse to see if they have drugs or guns.[/QUOTE]The girl gets a STAMP on their arm when a drink is delivered to her. She MUST present it to the security guard upon leaving. Easy to enforce.

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1245060]I remember that one of the things said in the fracas that followed the LAC raid 2 years ago was that if a girl has a drink in front of her then she can safely say that she is in the bar to have a drink and meet her friends.

If she doesn't have a drink, then it is not so easy to justify to police or any raiding party why she is there. If it is to meet friends then she can do that in a mall or in the park or wherever.

If a girl doesn't have any money and she is in a place like LAC where you cannot get anything for free, then she is much [B]more likely[/B] To be accused of being there trying to get money ie solicit for prostitution which is illegal.

I will repeat what I said before: if I owned a business and people were coming in to my store / shop / bar / coffee shop whatever and just standing or sitting around and had no intention of buying anything (or had no money anyway) , I would respectfully ask them to move on. Just last week I bought a coffee in Starbucks in Robinsons Malate and there were no seats available. The guard saw my dilemma and he asked 3 people who were just sitting in the seats in front of the shop taking a rest to move to allow a customer to sit. I thought that was good customer service.[/QUOTE]RK, I would agree with your analysis as applied to upscale places like Havana or any of the dining establishments on that row in Greennbelt 2 and 3. It would apply to those places because they're primarily in the business of selling food and drink. For MBC however, the mediocre food and the drinks are merely incidental to the primary lure of the place, which is, after all, nothing much more than a venue in which to meet freelancers. Without this inducement, who in his right mind would go there? Since the girls are part, a very large part, of the reason the freespending expats are attracted to the place, they should be considered more as key components of the ambience, and one could argue therefore that they should be exempt from the drink requirement. The fact is, that, for the most part,"normal" couples wouldn't be caught dead in the place and I would imagine that 98% of the male clientele goes there for one reason only, and it's not to hear the band or eat the lousy pizza.

GE

I had pulled an all nighter out of MBC a few months back and when I asked her where she wanted to have breakfast she told me MBC so we went there and the breakfast was surprisingly good. That's the only food I have ever eaten there though.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1245230]I had pulled an all nighter out of MBC a few months back and when I asked her where she wanted to have breakfast she told me MBC so we went there and the breakfast was surprisingly good. That's the only food I have ever eaten there though.[/QUOTE]Surprisingly, the food is of a high standard at MBC. On numerous occasions during my marathon sessions, drinking and enjoying the ladies, I have had their salads. Lovely! Several times went upstairs and had a steak meal, the lovely waitresses call me Daddy, I'm a young 47, LOL. Recomended.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1245204]. For MBC however, the mediocre food and the drinks are merely incidental to the primary lure of the place, which is, after all, nothing much more than a venue in which to meet freelancers. Without this inducement, who in his right mind would go there? Since the girls are part, a very large part, of the reason the freespending expats are attracted to the place, they should be considered more as key components of the ambience, and one could argue therefore that they should be exempt from the drink requirement.[/QUOTE]Agreed GE, but that just reinforces my point that, as a management policy, the management surely needs to convince "the authorities" that they are NOT encouraging girls to come to MBC as decoy ducks in order to lure guys to visit who will then spend money on food and drink.

One way MBC can demonstrate that the their facade is honorable is to have all girls give the appearance of being "regular paying customers" by insisting that they have a drink in front of them.

BTW. I also agree with you about the poor quality of the MBC food and I Would go further and say that it has to be right up near the top as the very worst and unappetising stuff that I have EVER eaten ANYWHERE. I am afraid Noddy's and Slippery's endorsement of the food does not convince me but, as always, it is JMHO.

RK and GE, just a reminder LOL, MBC is NOT a restaurant. As pub grub food is passable LOL. Personally I don't bother but my wingman and the ladies eat it and their burgers look okeyish.

Word is the owner had to come up with a mountain of cash to use his get out of jail card last time. Strict no I'd no entry policy is now enforced for anyone that looks even remotely borderline with age, drinks for everyone that enters MBC are enforced to recoup some of that cash, price for going up upstairs is also up I think. Bottom line is ITS A BUSINESS. I prefer the ladies to spend some of their own cash if they want to enter MBC. It makes them a bit more desperate and also hungrier for a client. Bottom line is we go to MBC because its easy to pick up, I hate it when they try to haggle for unrealistic amount holding off for a knight in shiny armor that will pay for their next semesters tuition in exchange for a short time.

I understand that it may weed out the poorest and the most desperate kind but I think those that are that desperate will always come up with something else. Perhaps try and pick up in the mall, or we may see more street walkers around MBC. Come to think of it I was approached twice before entering MBC in September when I basically took a walk from the Butterfly. 2 blocks. 2 approaches broad daylight.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1245198]The girl gets a STAMP on their arm when a drink is delivered to her. She MUST present it to the security guard upon leaving. Easy to enforce.[/QUOTE]What I meant was if she does not have a stamp will they remember her next time to deny entry? Even if she does not have stamp she cannot be refused exit and forced to buy a drink.

Hahahahaha I endorsed one breakfast and not the food in general. You wouldn't see me painting with THAT wide of a brush. I'm still laughing.

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1244891]Given the sheer volume of girls downstairs, most of whom never get a sniff of ST / LT, surely if they were all forced to buy drinks, it would have an impact on numbers? Perhaps it's not strictly enforced to the girls themselves, rather it's a way to extract extra pesos from us mongers ("hey you must buy girl a drink before you go")? I will let you know when I return from my forthcoming trip.

One annoyance I experienced when I was in MBC last time (two years ago when it was LA Cafe) , is that even if I sat on a stool at the large circular bar downstairs and was chatting to the bar-staff and asked for a drink, they'd call over a waitress to collect my order, who would disappear with my cash for five minutes. Seemed daft when I was within reaching distance of the beer I wanted to buy! Generally I found the waitresses very efficient and good fun, but on one occasion the girl didn't return for 20 minutes (some kind of mix-up) , so I had to go and look for her. It's definitely worth making a mental note of the girls names when she collects your order.

I will spend most of my time in MBC when I am in Manila, although I will poke my head in to a few other bars mentioned on this forum. For a change of pace I might investigate Air Force 1 / Starfleet. Is it worth the taxi-ride from Ermita? There is quite a bit of information on this forum about prices but what is the quality / quantity of girls like?[/QUOTE]I know a lot like AF1 but I'm particular to SF because they have the wet massage on the air bed. Cost is 2000 for the room and 2000 as a tip for the girl for a total of 4000. SF has 3 "classes" of rooms / girls and I believe AF1 has 2 or 3 classes also. I haven't been there for several years so I can't recall the exact format.

If you've never been, I would recommend going at least once to experience looking at the aquarium (look at all 3 classes) and choosing out of the dozens of girls. You can always leave if you don't find anything to your liking.

On last trip to manila met a fabulously hot 18 year old who gave me one of the blows of my life. Well I have a 5 minute video that still entertains me of her in action. Holding the end in her lips and pumping with her hands. Just the way I like.

Anyways she told me she worked in a "bake shop". Later she admitted that it wasnt exactly a bake shop. Hence I assume her BJ skills.

Today I'm chatting on mamboo with a girl, who tells me she jas just stopped working in a bake shop. But 3 sentences later she tells me she's perfect in giving BJ. We have agreed I will let her in exchange for chocolates (the new barter economy ). So. When your girl says she's in a bake shop, sak her how good her BJ skills are.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1245840]On last trip to manila met a fabulously hot 18 year old who gave me one of the blows of my life. Well I have a 5 minute video that still entertains me of her in action. Holding the end in her lips and pumping with her hands. Just the way I like.

Anyways she told me she worked in a "bake shop". Later she admitted that it wasnt exactly a bake shop. Hence I assume her BJ skills.

Today I'm chatting on mamboo with a girl, who tells me she jas just stopped working in a bake shop. But 3 sentences later she tells me she's perfect in giving BJ. We have agreed I will let her in exchange for chocolates (the new barter economy ). So. When your girl says she's in a bake shop, sak her how good her BJ skills are.[/QUOTE]Shake and bake my man. It remains me of my first trip in phils. After a shit time in europe I decided to cut my holiday short and go to Singapore. Singapore was boring too, at the time I had no idea that Singapore even had action, this was way before I discovered internet forums and it was really my first mongering experience. I simply booked a trip to manila and the first hotel that come up that was reasonably priced (Garden something in Malate). After refusing the offers from the hotel for massages and their tour packages I went to get something to eat from the bakery. I ended up with the sales girl that just finished her shift. Man I still remember every detail of her BJ and naughty skills, I think I kept her for a week. Ended up way overpaying around 10 000 peso for the week (we are talking about 10 years ago here) but fuck it was unforgettable. Bake lady got me into phils hahahaha