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In most clubs "sleeping in the club" doesn't mean sleeping in the working rooms. This may be the case in a few clubs, but not at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks. At Sharks this happens if there's no free beds in the regular sleeping area.
Still living in the club is tough, too many girls in a room working different shifts and not caring about others.
HB.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;1782127]If I owned an FKK - and I say this w / o knowing any details of their financials so I could be totally wrong - I would not charge the girls an entry fee to come in. I would sell them Their meals, because I Am not obligated to provide free food. I would charge them 5 bucks each time they go to the room for use of the facilities, including blankets, towels, wash room, etc.
For the busy girls, the total economics may be the same or perhaps even worse, but I see a bunch of girls who barely make enough in a day to cover their entry fee, which is terrible I think. For the club, margins may decline, I don't know, but I am assuming they will attract more girls they are not at the moment because the entry fee is off putting, and in the long run their total unit volumes may increase which makes up for lost revenue from not charging entry fee to the girls.
Also I would introduce volume discounts for men as someone suggested to encourage loyalty, and also change the hourly rate for the 2nd hour to 40 per half, and beyond 2 hours to 35 per half. I realize the nrw clubs have similar discounts for longer sessions and I think that makes sense. I also think CIM should be 25. These suggestions are for the larger Hessen clubs only.
Finally, I would introduce unisex shower rooms. It would be fun to take a shower with your favorite girl, get started there and go to the room together.[/QUOTE](1) I guess that the managers of FKK clubs tried the no entry fee for the girls policy before. When they found out that they could make more money if they charged the entry fee for the girls; they decided to do so.
(2) In the spring of this year, I also recommended that the CIM should be 25 in FKK World in order to pull FKK World out of recession. At that time, the new law was still up in the air. After December 31st 2015, this type of services will become unicorns in all the FKK clubs. There is no point to make any changes now.
(3) I also think that the unisex shower room is a good idea. However, I have the impression that many girls in FKK Oase might quit their jobs because of this. The girls of FKK Oase are different from the girls of other clubs. They just want to use the towels to cover their bodies whenever they have a chance. LOL.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1782499]In most clubs "sleeping in the club" doesn't mean sleeping in the working rooms. This may be the case in a few clubs, but not at Oase, World, Mainhattan, Palace or Sharks. At Sharks this happens if there's no free beds in the regular sleeping area.
Still living in the club is tough, too many girls in a room working different shifts and not caring about others.
HB.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure PL was talking about "sleeping in working rooms". Girls need to get up early in the morning (in some cases girls have to pay for getting up late) and sleep late since they have to wait for the rooms to be learned. During weekends, they may only sleep for 3-5 hours and then stay up for 12-15 hours' tough work. But yes it's more common in small clubs where there's usually one shift.
If "sleeping in the rooms" means sleeping in dormitories like in Oase, actually it's not that bad. Once a girl showed me the pic, I found it's similar to college rooms.
So in which clubs do the girls sleep in the working rooms?
I've seen a few pics of different dormatories, Oase's are not the best.
HB.
[QUOTE=Faceless78;1782538]
If "sleeping in the rooms" means sleeping in dormitories like in Oase, actually it's not that bad. Once a girl showed me the pic, I found it's similar to college rooms.[/QUOTE]Which college are you talking about? LOL.
[QUOTE=HessenBub;1782542]So in which clubs do the girls sleep in the working rooms?
I've seen a few pics of different dormatories, Oase's are not the best.
HB.[/QUOTE]I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.
Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.
[QUOTE=UShobbyist;1782543]Which college are you talking about? LOL.[/QUOTE]Hah, big college of Oase. probably more like the cheap hostel? I can sleep in that kind of rooms, no problem for me, if all the girls are there too LOL.
[QUOTE=TheCane;1782415]Hallelujah amen! I could not have said it better myself! If not marrying is a societal "wrong", then I don't want to be right! And I'm glad I've found many like-minded souls right here who see it as I do. Yes, the power of the pussy casts spells over us too, but we strive to maintain self-control and not allow the impact of that to be to our detriment.[/QUOTE]My ex did not give me a hard time but got a lot out of me and sucked in sex. But we totally are in agreement about marriage and I am also an anal lover, something my ex did not want to do. I have actually learned a lot by reading your posts about women. In your posts about American women, you mentioned that if you have to wait and hope for a girl to deliver he goodies she never will, she will just demand the highest price possible until she gives you a little. I totally agree.
[QUOTE=DeltaIndigo;1782549]My ex did not give me a hard time but got a lot out of me and sucked in sex. But we totally are in agreement about marriage and I am also an anal lover, something my ex did not want to do. I have actually learned a lot by reading your posts about women. In your posts about American women, you mentioned that if you have to wait and hope for a girl to deliver he goodies she never will, she will just demand the highest price possible until she gives you a little. I totally agree.[/QUOTE]I don't get this assumption that there is only one right option for all. Or that all women are the same (or men for that matter). Perhaps that is not what you and Delta Indigo are saying. Maybe I have been very fortunate, but there are good girls around, and marriage can be a great lifestyle choice. I fully accept that it is not for everyone, but I don't think it is right to be so cynical about it. I'm sure a bad marriage can make it difficult not to be, as it's a shitty situation.
Men and women both have selfish motives for marriage, as well as the unselfish aspects. I am sure that my wife enjoys the financial security (when we started out it was not certain that I would be the main income provider), but I enjoy being looked after. For many other things we are a team.
Marriage and sex are separate things for me. Marriage contributes to my sexual satisfaction, but that is not it's main purpose. The German FKK scene tops up the sex, including activities that my wife would not want to do, and perhaps things that I would not want her to do!
I guess my point is that you can't be so certain about marriage being a bad idea. Same as I can't say for certain that it is a good plan. Each to their own.
We seem to agree that FKK is a good thing, so we at least have that in common!
[QUOTE=PayForIt;1782187]Just a quick note of thanks to all you guys who took time out to answer lots of the questions. I'm glad some found it fun and I hope it didn't irritate others.
I personally found the information interesting. Just seeing how different guys approach things is of interest. Sounds like Nina was a bit of a star.
Noticeable that most guys in the answers are single / don't have partners.
Several guys have contacted me confidentially (so no names) to say privately they would give this up tomorrow if they found a partner they liked.
Interesting that a lot of guys do NOT think they are addicted and could give this up easily.
Finally, if owners of any of the FKK clubs ever view these forums. And if you ran such a business you would crazy not to. Some of the answers on what guys would change should be taken note of. Free entry for girls / work for free, an orgy room / themed rooms and better food.
On the best clubs. Sakura comes out well. Never been so given that it's been mentioned several times. Will give it shot.
Many thanks guys.
Feel free to keep the answers coming if you feel so inclined or if you haven't done so previously.[/QUOTE]Believe me the clubs are also reading this forum and other forums.
[QUOTE=Frozty;1782600]I don't get this assumption that there is only one right option for all. Or that all women are the same (or men for that matter). Perhaps that is not what you and Delta Indigo are saying. Maybe I have been very fortunate, but there are good girls around, and marriage can be a great lifestyle choice. I fully accept that it is not for everyone, but I don't think it is right to be so cynical about it. I'm sure a bad marriage can make it difficult not to be, as it's a shitty situation.
Men and women both have selfish motives for marriage, as well as the unselfish aspects. I am sure that my wife enjoys the financial security (when we started out it was not certain that I would be the main income provider), but I enjoy being looked after. For many other things we are a team.
Marriage and sex are separate things for me. Marriage contributes to my sexual satisfaction, but that is not it's main purpose. The German FKK scene tops up the sex, including activities that my wife would not want to do, and perhaps things that I would not want her to do!
I guess my point is that you can't be so certain about marriage being a bad idea. Same as I can't say for certain that it is a good plan. Each to their own.
We seem to agree that FKK is a good thing, so we at least have that in common![/QUOTE]I've read the various comments with a lot of interest. I'm very much in Frotzy's and Eszpresso's camp but this all goes to show that the old phrase YMMV even applies to marriage! Like Frotzy, FKK for me is about more than sex. I like planning the trip, travelling, some time on my own to be selfish about what I want to do for me, the naked ladies, and the fresh sex with someone new. I guess if you have been unhappily married, with a bad sex life it can seem like some women want to extract from men. But are we really that different? I'm happily married to a wife I truly love. We have a good sex life. It was great but after 20+ years it isn't new anymore. I also love the feeling of a young early 20's female tight body and the sight of many more! The options to get this are either to have an affair. Which I don't want to do and don't have time for, or to completely abstain (which would be morally right but I'm in the "you only live once" camp) or picking up girls in bars. Would be harder than when I was younger but its still possible. But it comes with so many unnecessary complications. I too like the idea that once I've had my sexual needs catered for by a prostitute (or several!) that's the end of the deal. No need for awkward conversations about whether you are going to call the girl again etc. No hiding phone numbers. It's a simple transaction where the guy gets what he wants and the girl the same (the cash). Many marriages would fall apart without facilities like FKK clubs. So its not great for wives. But not for us guys either. We have to carry the guilt around and it's not nice but is preferable to abstention.
[QUOTE=Faceless78;1782544]I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.
Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.[/QUOTE]VillaVertigo too, many NRW clubs are available for sleeping in-club, Artemis has the 3rd floor for girls.
I had several times session with girls in "their" own rooms, they showed me their stuff, and we pulled out her blanket and sleep a little before or after sex.
I get married for love not for sex, I can get sex anywhere!
[QUOTE=Faceless78;1782544]I can name you samya and aca, as far as I know now.
Yes oase is probably not the best but it's the only one I've seen. And the rooms are ok for me. So I'm happy to know there are some better ones.[/QUOTE]Girls at LR can stay there as well. They have limited rooms and girls who choose to sleep overnight have to inform them early.
[QUOTE=PayForIt;1782619]I've read the various comments with a lot of interest. I'm very much in Frotzy's and Eszpresso's camp but this all goes to show that the old phrase YMMV even applies to marriage! Like Frotzy, FKK for me is about more than sex. [B]I like planning the trip, travelling, some time on my own to be selfish about what I want to do for me, the naked ladies, and the fresh sex with someone new. I guess if you have been unhappily married, with a bad sex life it can seem like some women want to extract from men. But are we really that different? I'm happily married to a wife I truly love. We have a good sex life. It was great but after 20+ years it isn't new anymore. I also love the feeling of a young early 20's female tight body and the sight of many more! The options to get this are either to have an affair. Which I don't want to do and don't have time for, or to completely abstain (which would be morally right but I'm in the "you only live once" camp) or picking up girls in bars. Would be harder than when I was younger but its still possible. But it comes with so many unnecessary complications. I too like the idea that once I've had my sexual needs catered for by a prostitute (or several!) that's the end of the deal. No need for awkward conversations about whether you are going to call the girl again etc. No hiding phone numbers. It's a simple transaction where the guy gets what he wants and the girl the same (the cash).[/B] Many marriages would fall apart without facilities like FKK clubs. So its not great for wives. But not for us guys either. We have to carry the guilt around and it's not nice but is preferable to abstention.[/QUOTE]I could have written this myself.