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[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1171598]Maybe it's for diversity. Now certainly I am too young to be screwing anything over 35, but as I get older I would probably like to have a girl in every decade to mix it up a little. I remember when I was 21 I thought I would never in my life be attracted to a 30 year old, even at 60 I thought I would only like 16-22, but I guess that changes with age. I can still date 18-20 year olds in the US, but I get sick of the maturity level and sick of the same girl. Plus the 1st week of a relationship is definetely the best, I would much rather prefer to go on a vacation to a beautiful island with a girl I just met than with my wife or long time girlfriend who will probably ruin it with bitching about something I said wrong or some girl I checked out too much. The perfect vacation would be one where I had like 3-4 girls waiting incase any one irritates me and can just call for another. I will say some of the mongers are making it harder for the next guy though, I have talked to a couple girls that got burned. You need to know to break up with a girl the same way you need to know how to pick them up. Ruining them for the next guy is just kind of immature.[/QUOTE]Actually, they are 'ruined' long before foreigners come along. The girls usually go looking for a foreigner after some sweet talking Filipino deflowers them then proceeds to boast about it in her village. Even if she was lucky enough to avoid impregnation she has now lost her honor. She will be considered a 'pity woman' and no self-respecting man in her village will marry her. Foreigners, on the other hand, are known to marry bar girls and single mommies. An enterprising girl with a very tight pussy knows she can even convince a foreigner fresh to the scene that she is actually a virgin. You may have noticed the girls will almost always ask if you've been to the Philippines before. Your innocent chats are not so innocent. You're being sized up. For a lot of Filipinas being a 'bad guy' simply means that you didn't start supporting her entire extended family, didn't marry and take her to your country, or failed to hand over your life's earnings after a few sick water buffalo stories. Expect to be lied to on a regular basis. Enjoy the fantasy but remember that only the pussy is real.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1171626]Madison,

I am sure that as you travel around the Fils, you will hear many stories about how some guy promised some girl the moon, and then left after getting what he came for, I know it happens. I would also be careful about believing all that you hear. I know from personal experience that trying to "be a nice guy" and "letting them down gently" doesn't always work very well. As they say the line between love and hate is very thin and both are strong emotions. I have known a few Fils gals, that no matter what you did or said, only heard what they wanted to hear or thought that giving you a world class BBBJ would change your mind about marriage, kids, etc. When it didn't they told me I was a bum, asshole, etc.

My experience also indicates that while I wouldn't say never, it is highly unlikely that a gal who is interested in you, will be "ruined" by a former lover. Most of the time it is a way to create more leverage for her and maybe evoke a little sympathy. Just my humble opinion!

Sky[/QUOTE]I totally agree, lots of girls just like guys have the tendency to lie. I personally like to always leave the door open to come back and hit it if something changes someday. My biggest worry on this trip is that I take a girl to a nice island, and then I see another girl that I want on the island. I can only hope there won't be any other girls on the island. Because I don't find asian girls goddess like it's hard for me to stay focused with one very long. But only time will tell.

[QUOTE=Slippery;1171486]Information from another website indicates that 2 American and 2 Japanese guys were arrested at Golden Nile. They were taken to Manila and released about a day later.[/QUOTE]Word around town is that customers were taken, the number of customers is only detailed in press accounts. There is some information that some or all customers have been released, although one press account suggests one was released and the rest will be charged with lesser crimes related to paying for sex.

In the past, customers were detained only if they caused a problem to the police or the police were uncertain who might be a foreign manager or owner. But these raids over the last 18 months are different than raids in the past. It appears now the raids are as much for press and proof [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] is being prosecuted. As the police / government seem only interested in prosecuting foreigners, not Filipino, not sure one can expect customers to be safe, or that this is just business as usual as was seen in the past. It does not seem to matter what the bars do to comply with instructions given, the government is continually inventing new ways and charges to justify their actions.

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[QUOTE=Matius; 1171725]Word around town is that customers were taken, the number of customers is only detailed in press accounts. There is some information that some or all customers have been released, although one press account suggests one was released and the rest will be charged with lesser crimes related to paying for sex.

In the past, customers were detained only if they caused a problem to the police or the police were uncertain who might be a foreign manager or owner. But these raids over the last 18 months are different than raids in the past. It appears now the raids are as much for press and proof [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] is being prosecuted. As the police / government seem only interested in prosecuting foreigners, not Filipino, not sure one can expect customers to be safe, or that this is just business as usual as was seen in the past. It does not seem to matter what the bars do to comply with instructions given, the government is continually inventing new ways and charges to justify their actions.

Unlike the UN charter on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], the Philippine charter specifies that prostitution is also [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. The UN charter on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] includes prostitution only if the girl / boy is under the age of 18. The Philippines makes no distinction. As such then, should a person pay for sex under Philippine law, the customer is engaged in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and the girl is a victim. That does mean, even finding a girl on the famous web sites, could provoke the mother or other family member to file charges against you for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. Don't think there is safety staying out of the bars, rather think it even more dangerous as one is on his own, versus just being a bystander in a bar that is raided. And as stated, age is not a factor in the Philippine law, should they wish to prosecute.[/QUOTE]This stuff happens all over the world, don't make it out to be something that it's not. If anything it's safer now than ever because they showed their force and usually it dies down for awhile and a year or two it will happen again. It's not unique to Phillipines.

[QUOTE=Rob Woodrow;1171694]That is the key question in all of this. The answer is that the government will not take responsibility for its own actions, so it uses foreigners as scapegoats.[/QUOTE]Actually, we are not foreigners remember. We are " aliens" LOL

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1171591]Very true, but how many mongers are actually interested in flying half way across the world to fuck old women? Can't you get that for free in your home country as well?[/QUOTE]You misunderstood my simple point. I did not suggest or recommend guys should fly half way aroound the world to fuck old women. I simly shared my experience of having a ture GFE with nice Filipinas and I do not have to pay for sex. As far as old is concerned, I clearly stated I have had the younger ones, but many are too much trouble. Therefore, I enjoyed the company of ladies in their 30s. 40s, and 50s who really enjoying being with a nice guy and they will provide a good GFE with FS for no exchange of money. Having said that, I do keep one younger one that is sweet and nice. She will be 21 this coming 12/15/11. On my next trip back to Manila, she will stay with me at my hotel for two days. The problem is, she wants to get married and have a family. Yikes, not for me. But I still want to be with her. Maybe I will get an apartment with her and play house for a while.

My life style is not for every man, and I never stated it should be. I only offered anohter option for guys who get tired of paying for sex with women who banged 4 guys in the same day and she will not remember your name the next day. You are just a faceless dick to her. After living in Asia for 20 years, I have had my share of young Asian women that I have paid for. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting P4P down, hey, I still enjoy it sometimes. But, as I staed, as I have aged, I need something a little bit more now, a real GFE that I do not have to pay for. I need to be with a women and when I kiss her, I know she has not sucked 5 dicks that day. I need to be with women now that really want to be with me -- and not for the money. Again, I am not suggesting my current life style is for you or any other guy, I am just sharing my life experience.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1171545]He assumes every Filipina that dates a guy from another country and will have sex with the guy on the first date must be pay-4-pay. And of course, that is not the case in every situation. As for the women I meet, I have video chatted and emailed with them for several weekes or months. The older women have NEVER asked for money. Yap, it you count the dinner and movie cost, I spend only about P1, 000 for the evening for a full wonder GFE including sex 2 to 4 times each day.

The fact is simple, there are millions of Filipinas in the Philippines that NEVER get married, may have children, and in their 30s. 40, 50s, that are lonely and want some nice guy to treat them nice and love them (ya, I do not really love them, with the expecition of the one I have known for 3 years). The Filipino guys are know for treeating the Filipinas like crap, giving them babies and leaving them. Some of the women I have had sex with on the first date are professional women. This includes school teachers and medicial professionals. Between working a full time job, taking care of children, they simply do not have time to hang out at L. A. Cafe in Manila. Ya, sure, some of the them may if times get hard. But, for sure, not all of them.

, the Philippines is a gold mine of women that never P4P and just want to have some nice guy treat them special. And in exchange for that, they will provide a wonderful GFE time and time again over many years. Currently, I have about 5 I see from time to time when I travel to the Philippines. Ya, someitmes I am not in the mood for GFE, I just want to shot my load and go and pay. But as I get older, I am getting tired of paying for sex all the time. It is nice to have girls who really like you and are not getting laid by different guys many times during the week.

The downside to dating these girls is that you have to spend time chatting with them on skype or yahoo m. Sometimes, I am not in the mood, but other times it is wonderful to have a girl waiting for your video call and really excited to talking to you and be sweet with you while you are video chatting with you. Ya, I have met their kids, and some of them are really nice kids. And yes, I have taking the kiid out with the mom sometimes. But, I find that this helps ensure she will give you great sex. Why, she is so happy that a guy will spend a few bucks on her kids, when the fateher never sees the kids. What I do with these ladies is not for everyone. When I was younger, I was pay for sex only type of guy. I have lived in Asia for 20 years, so I have been to all the spots and had sex for pay with a ton of Asian women. But, as I stated, as I get older, it is nice to have a women that will have great GFE sex with you and never ask for a dime. Also, I really do enjoy going out with them on dates. They get really dressed up and they are proud to be seen with a guy from another country. All in all, it has been an enjoyable experience for me.

Oh, and by the way, if I do meet a girl and she talkes about money in anyway when I first chat with her online (e. G, need cell phone, my parents are sick and no money, etc) I will never have conttact with her again. I only keep the ones that never talk about money, are sweet, loving, and horny! Also, if they do not have sex with me on the second date, I will never contact them again. Also, if we have sex and she does not give me a BBBJ by the second time we have sex again, on the second date, I will not contact here again. I really enjoy BBBJ and having sex without it is not enjoyable to me.

Also, and most important, if she does not bring up the issue of love making while we are emailing or chatting over several weeks, I wil drop her. She is not for me. Therefore, by the time I meet them in person, we would playfully talked about being in love and making love. I always let them bring up the subject first. I just paly the nice guy role who is looking for a sweet lady to spend my life with. Hay, so, I am an actor with them. Don't judge me for it.[/QUOTE]Except for the bit about chatting about being in love I think I have just met a direct competitor. LOL. Luckily the pool we both swim in in both big and deep and wide.

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos;1171772]Zona has history of making smart ass irrelevant comments like this especially on the forum that he administrates but over there guys have to kiss his ass for fear of being banned but here on ISG hes going to find the membership not to accommodating.[/QUOTE]Well said!

The way the forum rules are implemented on "that other forum" where Zona is a moderator is total bullshit. Moderators there take active part in discussions, and are certainly not above taking potshots at other members. If you yap back at Zona, he will pull out his "cannot criticize the moderators in any way, shape or form" card and ban you.

If one of Zona's buddies there calls you names, he ignores it. If you fire back at his cronies, he will once again warn or ban you.

[QUOTE=Fifty Pesos; 1171772]He seems to almost never be able to get to the Philippines but acts if he knows everything about the place.

I have met many women over the years in PI educated and decent but who were just out for little bit of fun and refused all financial compensation after we spent time together.

Maybe the problem is he has never met these types of women.

With that personality we don't have to wonder why.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1171739]After living in Asia for 20 years, I have had my share of young Asian women that I have paid for. Don't get me wrong, I am not putting P4P down, hey, I still enjoy it sometimes. But, as I staed, as I have aged, I need something a little bit more now, a real GFE that I do not have to pay for. I need to be with a women and when I kiss her, I know she has not sucked 5 dicks that day. I need to be with women now that really want to be with me -- and not for the money. Again, I am not suggesting my current life style is for you or any other guy, I am just sharing my life experience.[/QUOTE]Like you, I would never put anyone down for his preferences, but you're right about it's all being different for guys who live here in Asia. Like you, I've been around her for most of the last 20 years, and when not here, then in Africa. Like most guys, I imagine, when I first came out here-to Indonesia and Thailand primarily-I was like a kid in a candy store. I just couldn't wait to grab as many as possible, as often as possible, and invariably as young (within legal limits) as possible. But with increasing age, and with a more "been there, done that" attitude, your perspective changes and it becomes important, most of the time to be with someone who is fun to be around-to whom you can talk, laugh and do something other than screw. I'm sure it's different when you're consigned for 50 weeks a year to the cold, cold Western world and only have a couple of weeks into which you have to cram a year's worth of fun.

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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1171699]The girls usually go looking for a foreigner after some sweet talking Filipino deflowers them then proceeds to boast about it in her village. Even if she was lucky enough to avoid impregnation she has now lost her honor. She will be considered a 'pity woman' and no self-respecting man in her village will marry her. Foreigners, on the other hand, are known to marry bar girls and single mommies.[/QUOTE]Yah, the ones seeking foreigners usually are undesirable for the pinos. Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners. Foreigners in all parts of asia are fed the left-overs. Pure and simple. This is Asia!

i was in blue nile last night. i had just paid for a ladies drink when the waitress says i have to pay for my drink right now, the lady has to leave, but she will right back when she puts on her clothes. so i pay, but the girl does not come back. then everyone leaves, and then the police rush in. was i pissed. they knew that a raid was coming, but they were more concerned with ripping me off for 250 pesos. so i lost my cool, which i am very carefull not to do in angeles as it is never a good idea, but i couldn't help it. i start telling the police that i was just ripped of for 250 pesos and i want it back. if blue nile feels it is a good idea to rip of customers right before a raid, maybe the customer can cause a problem for blue nile. obviously, not a wise strategy, but like i said, i was pissed. the cops all surround me wanting to know what happened, but at that point, someone gives me my 250 pesos, and i am happy so i just leave. not sure what type of manager trains the waitresses to rip off customers right before the cops show up. that is one manager that should certainly be locked up. in an insane asylum.

anyway, regarding the recent raids. i do not belive their any foreigners that were not suspected of being managers of the bars were arrested. in the many years of reading about angles raids, they have never bothered customers, and none of the other sites, including harry the horse, indicated that customers were bothered in these raid either (but if i am wrong, please post a link). angeles patrons have sometimes been setup under different circumstances, but when the police show up at a bar, they are never interested in the customers.

also, while it is well known that this all about corrupt police getting money from the bars, they don't pick these bars at random. if there was one bar that hired that **** girls, then it would definately be golden nile. it was like what happened about 6 months ago at pony tails. they closed down the bar for a while for staging bold (nude) shows. and at the time, this was the only bar in angeles that thought they could get away with topless girls and whipped cream, but the reality is, cops will tollerate prostitution, but not naked shows. it makes no sense, but everyone know this, so of course the bar was raided.

the bottom line is that if you hire **** girls or stage bold shows, then crooked cops will pick on you. the way the cops look at it, you are breaking the law and they will do you a favor by taking a bribe instead of prosecuting you and closing down the bar. lets remember, it is corruption that allows angeles city to exist. the same way a traffic cop will pull you over when you do something wrong, and a bribe will stop him from giving you a ticket. it is very rare (but does happen occasionally) that a cop will want a bribe when you have not broken some traffic rule. for every bribe that is demanded for a setup, there are about 100 that are demanded for allowing you to break the law and face no punishment. personally, i have paid many bribes in the philippines, some big, but most small. i can only think of one time when i had to pay a bribe when i had done nothing wrong, and that was 100 pesos.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1171853]Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners.[/QUOTE]Who cares, I think it's great, the silly run-in is done by the Pinoys, it's fine.

But she's not rotten yet and seriously, who is interested in a virgin? Me not.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=Ekspat;1171856]Who cares, I think it's great, the silly run-in is done by the Pinoys, it's fine. But she's not rotten yet and seriously, who is interested in a virgin? Me not. Cheers![/QUOTE]I second this. Whether she has been pounded by 50 locals or 50 strangers there is not much difference.

Could be much easier that she has been pounded by 20 locals and 100 strangers! .

[quote=matius; 1171403]it had nothing to do with payoffs. richard agnew the owner of golden nile was the self proclaimed president of abac, the bar owners group. he was the bag man to the government officials, if any bar was funding the officials, it was richard.

as you know the government is corrupt, and the press is equally so. the story you show is propaganda supported by the government officials, it does not represent the facts.

sunshine bar was raided on a labor claim. due to lack of funds, they did not have enough money to pay their girls / staff. the mother of one of the girls went to channel 5 news to complain. channel 5 thought it would be good news to raid a foreign owned bar. the mother was not concerned about her daughter being a prostitute, she was mad her daughter was not sending home the money. who is the pimp and human trafficer? because the bar was not paying their girls the full salary, the police trumped up human trafficing charges, in essence claiming the girls were being forced into prostitution / work as slave laborers. forget the fact if the girls did not like being there they could have gone to any bar on the street and gotten a new job. forget the fact that non-payment of wages is a labor claim, not a human trafficing offense. forget the fact that sunshine bar will be the first business in the philippines who is insolvent and unable to pay their bills and rather than a labor claim will be charged with human trafficing. 16 girls, including the bar manager were taken out of sunshine. now they are going to file human trafficing with a life sentence, against a guy who earns 20 dollars a day as greeter for foreign guests. all because the bar is bankrupt (or maybe hard times) and can't pay everyone's wages. think about how many usa and european companies went bust in the latest economic crisis, guess they all were involved in human trafficing. the idiot usa ambassador shakes his head yes.

golden nile was raided, so stated for having **** girls. there is some confusion on this point, as the mission order is reported to have been made against blue nile (different owners and different bar) , but word on the street was the police were confused by the similarity in names. so off they go to raid golden nile, but the girls did not want to be "saved", rather they rushed the police and doors (the police were trying to barracade them inside the building) , some 200 girls escaped the police. further funny things, the police did manage to corral some 100 girls on a couple of buses. as one of the buses hit macarthur avenue, the girls figured out the emergency exit at the back was unlocked, some sixty girls started jumping out of the bus on macarthur, with police running all over the place trying to catch them. a very funny sight. in both escapes from the police, filipino bystanders were clapping, hollering and laughing at the police.

the police pissed off at both successful escapes, and faced with empty buses, then turned around and raided blue nile and cambodia bars, very few taken as most of the smarter bars had closed by this time.

the news paper article is complete bullshit for the local do gooders and the usa ambassador (an individual so stupid it defies logic on how he got his job). the girls walk in fear of the police, not the bar owners. being taken by the police means they will be locked up in jail for a long time, stories include being given only a half a bowl of rice a day, forced confessions in order to be released (forced to implicate the owner / managers / mamasans of the bars) , sexual harrassment from the police officers, made to pay money for release. human trafficing is sponsored and owned by the very same government officials who are elected to protect their citizens. everyone knows it is the filipino bars / brothels / massage parlors owned by these government officials that run **** girls and boys, its the government officials that own the agents who process the passports and documents for sending workers out of the country to the sex trade or indentured servitude. everyone except the idiot usa ambassador.[/quote]thanks for the info.

do you know if there is any truth in the reports that three customers (two americans and a japanese) are facing charges?

[QUOTE=LoveAsian*****s; 1171855]I was in Blue Nile last night. The cops all surround me wanting to know what happened, but at that point, someone gives me my 250 pesos, and I am happy so I just leave. Not sure what type of manager trains the waitresses to rip off customers right before the cops show up. That is one manager that should certainly be locked up. In an insane asylum.

Dude. You are the one that is nuts. Causing a big commotion over 6 bucks. Stupid.