East China - Shanghai

[QUOTE=Zhushak;1675499]Hi,

If a given sauna is open, is there still an increased risk that it might be raided? Or as long as it's open it's OK?

I've made a booking using your site.

Regards[/QUOTE]Last week I would have answered this question with "no risk", because it not happened for years in Shanghai, that any sauna has been "surprised" with "LE-Guests" coming over, but seems last week exactly that happened, so now I would say, there is a risk, but still very low.

You have to know, the managers risk 12 years prison, while for a customer it's only 10 days, so you can imagine, if the manager decide not to close now, he should have a reason for that. Usually the reason is a good "wire" to the local police station. Only because this system did not work one time for many years, I would not conclude that the whole system don't work any more.

Or as my sauna friend told me: Chinese new year is coming soon, the police also need cash for "hong bao" to their families!

Enjoy your mongering.

Getting bored of the Pudong triangle, that is Sarcosa, Bodi and Siyuan, I thought I would head off across the river. I decided on Kang Ding due the pics of the girls and the fact it wasn't a hour in the cab into the depths of Minhang.

In retrospect not a good call. Found the place easy enough after a bit of to and fro with the mama san on wechat, close to Jing An (1 tube stop). You will need to contact her because there is no way you will find the front door, as the spa is undergoing renovations. And boy does the place need it. Probably the worst set up I have been to in Shanghai, the locker rooms, waiting room etc are very run down, as was the soapy room. Normal sauna SOP, key bangle, change into PJs, and into the waiting room. Ended up waiting for about and hour, not cool, at least I got to keep my phone with me. Got ushered in the end to the most pathetic line up ever, 5 girls all pretty normal looking, certainly not the hottest in Shanghai. Picked a t calls model as she seemed the only one vaguely interested in a loawai. Good looking girl but nothing you wouldn't find at most other saunas. Service was standard, soapy massage, cat bath, rim, BBBJ and various position ending in doggie. Girl was enthusiastic but nothing exceptional, she warmed up after with my poor attempts to speak Mandarin and was pretty sweet. No option of a second shot though. Finished up and showered and back to the dodgy change room, and then the sticker shock, even though I had been expecting it. 1580 before discount, WTF, I could have a triple at Sarcosa for that or double models at Bodi.

Did see a real belter on the way out that may have been worth the the money but I think they were hiding the best girls for the locals.

All in all a disappointing trip across the river.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1675718]Last week I would have answered this question with "no risk", because it not happened for years in Shanghai, that any sauna has been "surprised" with "LE-Guests" coming over, but seems last week exactly that happened, so now I would say, there is a risk, but still very low.

You have to know, the managers risk 12 years prison, while for a customer it's only 10 days, so you can imagine, if the manager decide not to close now, he should have a reason for that. Usually the reason is a good "wire" to the local police station. Only because this system did not work one time for many years, I would not conclude that the whole system don't work any more.

Or as my sauna friend told me: Chinese new year is coming soon, the police also need cash for "hong bao" to their families!

Enjoy your mongering.[/QUOTE]I remember a few years back the whole JiYuan sauna group was taken down in one day.

Heard they sent LE across jurisdictions to make the raid and even WJ was involved, so anything could happen.

I still lament I never got to experience their then flagship store #5 Club before the shutdown.

Sigh.

Can any of the local recommend a good full service "western friendly" spa near the Hilton Shanghai Hongqiao Hotel on Hong Song East Road?

I would really appreciate it.

I know of Manhattan and Judy's. Not possible for me to bring girl back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1675292]For all of you who plan to visit a sauna these days, better check if they will be in service or not. We just made a round call and at the moment half of all the clubs we are in touch with are temporarily closed because of the "windy weather".[/QUOTE]Any updates on this situation? I'm passing through SH for just one day this week. Any tips re places still open appreciated, here or by PM. Thanks.

TM.

Hey,

Newbie here. In March I'm traveling to Shanghai from my Podunk little countryside town and I'm wondering if it's fine to go to saunas and just request nuru and BBBJ without FS. If not, what's my best option? I want to start slow, ya know.

[QUOTE=Trawlerman;1677059]Any updates on this situation? I'm passing through SH for just one day this week. Any tips re places still open appreciated, here or by PM. Thanks.

TM.[/QUOTE]All clubs we are in touch with reopened, so it should not be a problem any more now. But we expect another close down around the new year, but approximately after your visit.

Have fun,

Steven

Brand new BJ factory in Wolumuqi lu, in the small street on the side of famous Shanghai Hotel. Massage plus BJ citm 358 rmb.

Enjoy.

Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1678689]Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.[/QUOTE]I will take a Viet from Judy's with an agreement of sex 3 times up front for all night (for 1000 RMB). I have done it twice at that price and gotten some pretty nice looking girls.

They were both enthusiastic and worth it. One (she was 27) I paid 1500 the first night (I was horny and it was early) and the second night she agreed for 1000. The other one was 25 and I picked her up at 2 am for 1000+100 taxi.

now 1000 is my max price

500 rmb to go through all I hear to catch up with a QQ girl / starfish and no orgasm. Not much a deal there huh?

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1678689]Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.[/QUOTE]Qq, wechat, momo, all are not reliable. At least you had a real girl. Most of time it's a scam. And if you do get a real girl, as in your case, 99% of the time they use fake pictures.

[QUOTE=BobTheRhino;1676128]Getting bored of the Pudong triangle, that is Sarcosa, Bodi and Siyuan, I thought I would head off across the river. I decided on Kang Ding due the pics of the girls and the fact it wasn't a hour in the cab into the depths of Minhang.

In retrospect not a good call. Found the place easy enough after a bit of to and fro with the mama san on wechat, close to Jing An (1 tube stop). You will need to contact her because there is no way you will find the front door, as the spa is undergoing renovations. And boy does the place need it. Probably the worst set up I have been to in Shanghai, the locker rooms, waiting room etc are very run down, as was the soapy room. Normal sauna SOP, key bangle, change into PJs, and into the waiting room. Ended up waiting for about and hour, not cool, at least I got to keep my phone with me. Got ushered in the end to the most pathetic line up ever, 5 girls all pretty normal looking, certainly not the hottest in Shanghai. Picked a t calls model as she seemed the only one vaguely interested in a loawai. Good looking girl but nothing you wouldn't find at most other saunas. Service was standard, soapy massage, cat bath, rim, BBBJ and various position ending in doggie. Girl was enthusiastic but nothing exceptional, she warmed up after with my poor attempts to speak Mandarin and was pretty sweet. No option of a second shot though. Finished up and showered and back to the dodgy change room, and then the sticker shock, even though I had been expecting it. 1580 before discount, WTF, I could have a triple at Sarcosa for that or double models at Bodi.

Did see a real belter on the way out that may have been worth the the money but I think they were hiding the best girls for the locals.

All in all a disappointing trip across the river.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing. 1580 is not a reasonable price! We should all boycott it.

There used to be a sauna opposite Malones on Tongren road. Passed by the other day and door was locked. No light inside. Anyone knows what happened to it?

[QUOTE=RedHawk;1674627]Hi all,

Does anyone know if this hotel has a problem bring in a friend from Manhattan?

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I had no problem at Portman.

[QUOTE=ShanghaiGuide;1670898]There is a big different in the market between Shanghai and Beijing. Beijing outcall is cheaper, but all "incall venues" charge higher. I would guess, it's because the competition of the cheap pickup clubs like Manhattan and Judys and also the cheap sauna clubs make the cheap outcall agencies needless. The bargain hunters who try to get a cheap deal, will prever to go out to get it cheap, the guys who prefer the more convenience way of outcall don't care to pay some more.

We tried it with special offer of some girls on our page. One hour RMB 900 instead of 1400. The girl did not get significantly more customers in that period. Sounds weird, but it's a fact. So someone who run a agency here in Shanghai will not try to offer the "most cheap" deal, because he can never win a competition with a sauna, so he will concentrate on service, pictures, marketing and so on. Another reason will be, that the "price level" including the average salary in Shanghai is highest in China, so also the girls here expect higher rates. And in Shanghai they have many choices. If they will go to a sauna instead, they will get at least 400 RMB for a session, a outcall for 900 means she will not get more than 500 to 700 for herself, but need to loose time in taxi, will have a lot of time without customers. For that rate she can go to any sauna (if she is attractive) and get more money each day.

So I would say no chance for a reliable outcall agency here in Shanghai with rates lower than! Some will offer a rate of 400 or 600, but all I tried till now, never finally provided "full service" for that. They will upgrade again and again, and finally they will be much more expensive than the ones who promote (higher) but real rates online. And if you really get that cheap rate, you will also get only a provider in the level of what we call "street girls". This (older and more ugly ladies) you can find around the above mentioned clubs with rates of 200 to 300 for full service. But most guys will prefer to spend more for the girls inside the club. This level of girls can make money even with a cheap outcall, just because they found customers with faked pictures, and the "reject rate" is most time less than 50%, so still a deal.

Sorry to say that, but I am afraid you will not get what you expect here in Shanghai for that rate.

Nevertheless, there are so many great choices here in Shanghai!

And you will never find anything like that in Beijing!

So my recommendation: don't worry about what you miss here, better just enjoy what you get additional![/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Very useful.

It's just sometimes I am so tired from work that have no energy to go out.

Never been to manhattan or Judy. When is a good time to go? A lot of work required to pick someone up? Any advice is appreciated.

[QUOTE=HangSeng;1678689]
I must be having terrible luck with QQ.[/QUOTE]It's not luck, that's the way they intend it to be. I posted a report a couple of years ago describing the amount of time and money I spent through a summer trying to find a reasonable experience with a QQ girl. The success rate was dismal, however you define success. I never found one worth a second visit. The details are in the report if you search back a year or so.