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[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1261443]Why give then R50 for taxi. If you fucking in Copa, the gdp will catch a R2. 50 van back to Balcony or home. But I don't give a tip or taxi. That's just me. I know of a girl who live in walking distance from my apt and she asked for taxi. But you can avoid all of that if you hit the centro casas or those in Niteroi. Most of the Balcony females don't fuck well without trying to take control of the session.

Further, there have been incidents where girls have been asking for money up front. Never pay up front.[/QUOTE]Being polite, I usually ask early on where she lives. Later, if she lives on the outskirts, I point out no-one gets a taxi that far. If she lives closer, I probably would get a bus there myself and have kindly explained on occasion which bus to get, from where, and even given one or two girls the right change.

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1261404]Exactly. What a GP ask for and what she accepts are two very different things.
Negotiation tactics:
Me: Voce cobra quanto?
GP: 300 reais.
(Avoid falling down on the ground laughing, only smile a bit like she said something very amusing.)
Me: Voce faz por quanto?
GP: 150 reais.
Me: Now tell her that she's very beautiful and that she deserves 400 reais, but that's out of your limit. Ask her if she accepts 80 reais.
If she's a smart GP she accepts or maybe try asking for 100 reais.
If it's a gold-digger she will continue demanding 150 reais. Then dump her or tell her to try with one of the old and fat gringos.
If she didn't accept 80 reais she might very well come back in a while accepting it.
[B]The fair p*ssy-price in Brazil should be R$50/1-2pop-session. If it's a TLN and the GP is very hot go up to maximum R$100.
If the girl should be exceptionally beautiful. 10 points, and on your must-do-list limit yourself to R$150.
Over R$150? No way. Considering the abundance of GPs in Brazil there is no reason to ever pay more than R$150. Never! [/B][/QUOTE]This is all I pay simply because I'd rather spend the money on other things if it went over these figures. The only time I've gone home without is if there was no-one I fancied. You really don't need exceptional looks or game, just act cool and not as if you've just come off the cruise ship. I've quoted the above in full as it should really IMO be in any manual. Possibly it could be added to Bubba's next update?

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1261443]Further, there have been incidents where girls have been asking for money up front. Never pay up front.[/QUOTE]I go further. Any girl that asks for money upfront on entering the apartment, I ask her to leave. I don't want to ruin the atmosphere by negotiating on this point. If she looks very new, as if someone has told her she should do this, I maybe make a joke of it, saying kindly, 'you [I]never [/I]ask for money upfront' and pretend she never said it. If she doesn't take the hint, she's out. Because otherwise she'll be trouble or give bad service.

[QUOTE=Christopherd;1261447]Being polite, I usually ask early on where she lives. Later, if she lives on the outskirts, I point out no-one gets a taxi that far. If she lives closer, I probably would get a bus there myself and have kindly explained on occasion which bus to get, from where, and even given one or two girls the right change.[/QUOTE]Christopherd,

I can be polite, courteous and kind. I met a nonpro in centro when I was green. She came 2 hours to Copa and gave me a great fuck for 8 hours. When I offered her money she said "voce nao programma." I walked her to the bus stop on NS Copa and gave her a little money, tip and bus fare. Another girl I met at Miguel Lemos and Atlantica for R150 for 6 hours. When I came out the shower she had changed the sheets and pillow cases. I gave her R150, a tip and taxi to the bus change depot in centro.

Lesson is to not treat all girls the same, and have some rules and stick to them. I say no on principle, because I do not want to contribute to inappropriate of the Copa gdp. It's business!

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1261443]Why give then R50 for taxi. If you fucking in Copa, the gdp will catch a R2. 50 van back to Balcony or home. But I don't give a tip or taxi. That's just me. I know of a girl who live in walking distance from my apt and she asked for taxi. But you can avoid all of that if you hit the centro casas or those in Niteroi. Most of the Balcony females don't fuck well without trying to take control of the session.

Further, there have been incidents where girls have been asking for money up front. Never pay up front.[/QUOTE]You are right for the taxi last week I paid 50 R more for the taxi and the doorman (I was in an apartment)

told me after that the girl arrived in my apartment with a motocycle! With all you advices I understand that you must always bargain and never paid more than 200 R!

I see several fotos of pornstar Susana Rios at Sinonimo Lapa on a social network site. I'd post the pix, but I wouldn't want to put the faces of the other people.

[url]http://www.sinonimolapa.com.br/mapa[/url]

Looking around the 'net, I see the above link for the bar. It is one I think I passed on the way out of the apartment of one of my faves in Lapa last trip I took. So, I have two points for the board:

1. Does anyone have contact info for Susana Rios? I'd like to hit that bunda next time I am in Rio. She must be in Mayara Rodriguez territory.

2. For all you Cariocas, instead of hanging out in Copa trying to find "the next help" why not head over to Lapa and get some porn stars or termas girls where they actually hang out, in Lapa? Just saying? I am putting Hotel Flumenense on my overnight love motel list on next trip.

[QUOTE=Frenchieboy; 1261630]You are right for the taxi last week I paid 50 R more for the taxi and the doorman (I was in an apartment)

Told me after that the girl arrived in my apartment with a motocycle! With all you advices I understand that you must always bargain and never paid more than 200 R![/QUOTE]

Thanks for the intel.

I see much chatted about Fany of 4x4 at La Passion Lounge in some social network pix.

From the pix, I am sure you are right. Some gringo in REI travel shorts is not going to do well trying to hook up with Brasileiras on their home turf.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1261117]You can forget all about Passions, I have been there twice. It packed with Playboys (Guys who look like they just finished their last set on the squat machine, took their roid pills and went out to the club.) The girls are all Patricinhas. If and that is a big "IF" there are any terma girls in the place, they are there to party and have fun, not to work. Very expensive spot and many other clubs where you get more for your money.[/QUOTE]

On the social network sites, the announcer / DJ at 4x4 is linked to the one of the social bubbas (socio. Actually make that "President") at Passion Lounge.

Let's see by my count, also linked to that guy are:

1. A former Hotside girl, from 2009. One of my faves, now a Fotografa.

2. A former Hotside girl from 2009 to 2011.

Has this happened to anyone? You start clicking through pix or friends of some garota on a social networking site, and you stop and say, hey, I banged her. And there are like 3 Hotside GDPs. Or 3 4x4 garotas.

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1261153]I believe the owners of 4x4 either own the building or at least have the lease on it. I am sure some off work Terma girls go there, you spot them all over town, but doubt that they would do work out of the joint.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1261404]Exactly. What a GP ask for and what she accepts are two very different things.

Negotiation tactics:

Me: Voce cobra quanto?

GP: 300 reais.

(Avoid falling down on the ground laughing, only smile a bit like she said something very amusing.)

Me: Voce faz por quanto?

GP: 150 reais.

Me: Now tell her that she's very beautiful and that she deserves 400 reais, but that's out of your limit. Ask her if she accepts 80 reais.

If she's a smart GP she accepts or maybe try asking for 100 reais.

If it's a gold-digger she will continue demanding 150 reais. Then dump her or tell her to try with one of the old and fat gringos.

If she didn't accept 80 reais she might very well come back in a while accepting it.

The fair p*ssy-price in Brazil should be R$50/1-2pop-session. If it's a TLN and the GP is very hot go up to maximum R$100.

If the girl should be exceptionally beautiful. 10 points, and on your must-do-list limit yourself to R$150.

Over R$150? No way. Considering the abundance of GPs in Brazil there is no reason to ever pay more than R$150. Never![/QUOTE]I paid a visit to Balcony each night for the first 10 days on my last trip few months ago. Every night I witnessed roughly 5 uppermost fine-looking sharks, and 5 doables every night among the 100+- garotas. To me it seemed like they are skilled at reevaluating their strategy every night based on the day of week, time of the year, and weather. They are knowledgeable in opting for a naïve, newbie, or someone who's on a trip for a short trip, who will willingly waste R$400 for a quicky or TLN. Believe me when I say this, those top 5 hot Ms. # 8 or 9 KNOWS their worth, as well as those 5 doable Ms. # 5. 7. Thinking that you will be able to sway one of the top 5 hot garotas to spend a TLN for R$150 is a PURE fantasy. Most of them got links to GDPz at Centaurus who are enlighting them with such info over a jerk who just spent R$500 or US$300 for a 20 mins quicky less than a mile away. I cancelled my 3rd trip to Brasil due to insane price hike. In London, I'm banging chicks and making money at the same time in GBP currency. My Corp is sending me London for the second time next week. I got 5-7 hot nice, tall model type Hungarian, Spanish, Russian etc chicks scheduled for every night after work meetings for a complete A level, CIM programma. To hell with Balcony.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca;1261392]I've told the girls that if they want their price then they will have to leave without a shower, for I will charge them to use my towel, soap and water. But if they want to leave fresh and clean then the price is R250 from their high price. It's like when the as for a tip out after a session. Take the fucking tip out of the money I just paid you. A tip was not part of the deal. If a girl has no where to sleep, it's no my problem even if it's raining. If she wants to spent the night because it's late or the weather is bad, then it will cost her. I normally pay them to go home. If she expects to eat breakfast the next morning if I was generous enough to let her infringe on my time, then it will cost her. But if her price is reasonable, she's a 10, a 3 holer, and she loved the dick in her, mouth, pussy and ass with a tinge of GFE, then I will treat her exceptionally. But for those "sharks" they will get my break down on the price, or leave my apartment without a shower. All I care is they shower before I fuck her, but showering after she does her job is her problem. I learned to be a hard ass. I tell them that yes I'm a gringo, but not a stupid gringo. No many of those heffers at Dolci Vita, where I don't frequent, but it's the same mentality girls who are dressed well or frequent hoes or Copa, and those girls look for stupid gringoes meaning, those who don't do their research before jumping in the swamp of Rio.[/QUOTE]You are absolutely coorect that at certain times you have to be a hard ass. Being a hard ass is not a harsh thing if you know which apporach to take and how to word things. You are also correct in telling them that you are a gringo, but not a stupid gringo. They will actually respect you more, becuase they know you will not take their crap, just like brazilian men to do not take that crap from them. You make some Great points Sir!

[QUOTE=Sperto; 1261404]Exactly. What a GP ask for and what she accepts are two very different things.

Negotiation tactics:

Me: Voce cobra quanto?

GP: 300 reais.

(Avoid falling down on the ground laughing, only smile a bit like she said something very amusing.)

Me: Voce faz por quanto?

GP: 150 reais.

Me: Now tell her that she's very beautiful and that she deserves 400 reais, but that's out of your limit. Ask her if she accepts 80 reais.

If she's a smart GP she accepts or maybe try asking for 100 reais.

If it's a gold-digger she will continue demanding 150 reais. Then dump her or tell her to try with one of the old and fat gringos.

If she didn't accept 80 reais she might very well come back in a while accepting it.

The fair p*ssy-price in Brazil should be R$50/1-2pop-session. If it's a TLN and the GP is very hot go up to maximum R$100.

If the girl should be exceptionally beautiful. 10 points, and on your must-do-list limit yourself to R$150.

Over R$150? No way. Considering the abundance of GPs in Brazil there is no reason to ever pay more than R$150. Never![/QUOTE]Sperto, I think you underestimate how much your expereince, knowledge, and ability (fluent) to communicatehelp you hold the line on those rates you mentioned. I agree with them for the most part if you are a brasilero or an experienced hobbyist such as yourself a few others in this forum. However, the majority of gringo's find it extremely difficult to get those rates cause they do not speak fluently, are inexperienced in negotiating with gdp, are hrony bastards that have no selfcontrol, np patience, etc. Again, I will try to come as close as possible to those rates, but for rookies or tourists in general, thats a hard line to hold. But then again, your post is making them aware (or hopefully will make them aware) of just how much of a sucker they are being, and most importantly that they are driving up the rates, and furthermore, driving up rates with less quality service.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1261443]Why give then R50 for taxi. If you fucking in Copa, the gdp will catch a R2. 50 van back to Balcony or home. But I don't give a tip or taxi. That's just me. I know of a girl who live in walking distance from my apt and she asked for taxi. But you can avoid all of that if you hit the centro casas or those in Niteroi. Most of the Balcony females don't fuck well without trying to take control of the session.

Further, there have been incidents where girls have been asking for money up front. Never pay up front.[/QUOTE]This business of paying upfront is a freaken thorn on myside. Not many things irritate me when negotiating or dealing with the ladies because I have been around the block to many times already. However, for whatever reason, it ticks me off. NEVER PAY UPFRONT! If you do. 9 out of 10 times you are going to get crappy service. But some guys are just happy to stick there wiener is any hole, and shoot their load.

Gentlemen, Please don't help start a new trend of paying upfront, this is suicide. I always say no, and if they persist, I show them the money in full and then tell them not to worry because I have it in full, and it will be waiting for them when session is over. This usually works all of the time for me. There has been a couple of exceptions in all of these past years. And YEEEEEESSSSS< I HELD THE LINE, and told them no deal and to leave. And they did. You win some and you lose some, thats life!

[QUOTE=ChrisDrug;1261706]Thinking that you will be able to sway one of the top 5 hot garotas to spend a TLN for R$150 is a PURE fantasy.[/QUOTE]That's very true, in your case.
You impressed me by writing a post without mentioning your MBA, apartments or your income.

Actually, I'm thinking that newbies should not do a todo a noche (all night) in Rio their first trip. It would be best to visit the termas and casas to learn the gdp culture, rather than jumping into negotiations.

ChrisDrug, What is and who is a top 5 hot garota, and why she won't do R$150 rather than go home broke?

FWIW, I had my first TLN with a GDP on trip #7. It was in her prive in copa. I basically used gpguia. Net reviews as a guide. She was doing TLNs. I paid $800R.

I had TLN 2 and 3 with the same girl a year later, that was trip #9. I paid zero. She was trying to get out of the biz, and I was having a mini-relationship with her. That was "good sex" as one poster to this board has put it (easy to get sex, hard to get good sex).12 or 14 hours, sex 6 or 7 times. 1+ hour at a time.

I had TLN 4 and 5 with the same girl in December of that year. Trip #11. I guess I paid zero, but I was trying to give her some legit work, so I paid her at least $500R.

Anyway, she was a former 4x4 girl, and then a freelancer for 2+ years. I would agree, best to avoid TLN on first trip. TLN takes some trust, on both sides.

[QUOTE=Ipanema Carioca; 1261776]Actually, I'm thinking that newbies should not do a todo a noche (all night) in Rio their first trip. It would be best to visit the termas and casas to learn the gdp culture, rather than jumping into negotiations.

ChrisDrug, What is and who is a top 5 hot garota, and why she won't do R$150 rather than go home broke?[/QUOTE]