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[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172078]I recently saw an interview on tv with hillary clinton regarding [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and she noted how cooperative the Philippines has become in the last few years.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Hillary, here's a link to an article I found that talks more about the President of the Philippines and Clinton. It looks like NoyNoy has a little crush on Hillary; it says he's even going to "write a letter" to thank her for her remarks!

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For those of you that already have travel plans made to go to AC, I'd say just go ahead with your trip. I was in AC last year when all the raids were going on and it was still a good time. Having said that, I was planning on going back again later this year, but I think I'll be heading somewhere else instead. Maybe Thailand, or possibly even Macau. Not just beacuse of these raids, but everything. The police raids are just the final straw for me.

Anyone else headed elsewhere to monger?

Prostitution, brothel ownership and pimping are illegal in the Philippines. Those engaged in running and profiting from these enterprises bribe the authorities and then hope for the best. It just turned out that the US Government offered a bigger bribe and the bar owners' luck ran out. The Angeles City bar scene just happened to be a victim of its own success. It is high profile and known worldwide as a destination for sex tourists. What better place for the Philippine authorities to strike in their efforts to show that they are eradicating prostitution catering to Western men? Of course, the scene catering to Filipino men is far more extensive but American feminist anti-prostitution activists are more concerned about American men buying cheap sex abroad. For example, once it was clear that Americans were no longer welcomed in Korean sex trade establishments the US relaxed pressure on South Korea to wipe out prostitution. It would not be surprising if the same happened due to Westerners being targeted in AC. All it would take to run off Western mongers is to start throwing them in jail whenever the police find them as customers in a bar that is being raided. It wouldn't even take charges. Just a couple nights in a Philippine jail would be enough to convince these guys to seek their jollies elsewhere. If the authorities decide to sustain the raids the scene may well transition to one where the bars are owned, ran, and patronized entirely by Koreans, Japanese and other Asians. Western mongers would still frequent the Philippines but they'the probably be more dispersed and in lower numbers. There are too many freelancers selling sex online, in the malls and parks for the sex trade to die out in a country plagued with poverty and lack of employment opportunities. The bars provide convenience for sex tourists but not protection. The first mongers to flee the scene will be the lazy mongers and those who can't afford an arrest.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1172020]Much better places than makati within Phils for retirement, but yes, I understand your sentiment. I shall also be retiring there. Just have to find a way to send wife on endless vacations so I can do the same dating LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e.g., purchased a condo, car, school exp., etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome........

Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GE

GE,

What can we do to cheer you up?

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1172305]Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GE[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1172296]Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e. G, purchased a condo, car, school exp, etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome.[/QUOTE]Hi there, actually I would suggest Fort Bonifacio as easier to live in than Makati, less traffic (at least at the moment) better infrasructure, quieter on weekends, easy to get to Makati but without the traffic of Makati. I have an apartment there and yes, them girls panties come down every time I take a willing target there. My new specialty is having them on the balcony. My neighbours can't see me and some girls are turned on by being naked in public, without being seen. You could consider McKinley Hills or Bonifacio Heights for the same reasoning if you want more of a house style.

My ideal retirement would be a house in Ayala Alabang, or Nuvali further south and to still keep an apartment in Fort bonifacio. Hopefully that would allow me some freedom for dating LOL. If not I'm sure theres a plan B and C and D.

I don't think anyone will judge you because to a large extent, were all doing the same LOL.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1172296]Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc.

Because of my stay there for a month in this wonderful condo, I could see myself living like that in retirement. Well, you may be surprised to know I have a wife also, in China. Yap, before we got married, she was sweet as candy. After we got married and had a baby, tons of attitude and loads of cost (e. G, purchased a condo, car, school exp, etc.). I canot live with her everyday, I would go crazy, but I will always take care of my child and support her. I fly between HK and China to vist them regularly. I will just tell my wife my job transferrred me to the new office in Makati (but actually I will retire there and just fly between the Philippines and China). Yap, you are married, but you can always come up with a good plan to enjoy life. Hey, we only live once!

For those guys reading what I wrote, do not judge me. In Asia, just about every other married Asian guy has a girlfriend on the side. Or, they will vist sex outlets regularly. My Chinese boss has been married for 22 years and he takes off early once a month on Friday to visit 141 sex aparments in Hong Kong. Another coworker is married and has a long time girlfriend which he pays all of her living cost and she is his girlfriend and only has sex with him. When in Rome.[/QUOTE]Well said. But I am trying to stay here in pi. As I have met some really nice people.

But the latest word I hear on the recent crackdowns from a guy that has some connections? Don't know the truth here? Does anyone really know?

Is that there is a high up police guy? Someone in the police that is going to retire soon and needs some extra money.

That is as believable to me as to anything else around this country.

And a few other friends? That are connected in the police. Tell me its just extortion plain and simple.

Somebody in authority will always be looking for someone to extort here. Just hope you can avoid it.

And enjoy what the country offers. I am sleeping tonight with four girls and more are calling me and want to join in.

Amen. Your honest appraisal is one fine post.
My hat is off to other recent posters as well. Excellent and interesting posts.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh; 1172296]Thanks for your feedback. I would be interested to know your thoughts on the best places to retire in the Philippines? What would be your top 3 rankings and why? I gave AC some thought to retire to, but after this raid BS, AC is no longer on my list.

The reason I like Makati is because it is clean, high end hotels and condos, safe, lots of girls love to come there, and I have found some of my best free action there from regluar girls in the many many malls there in Makati. I rented a new 2 bedrooom condo in Makati once for 4 weeks and it was great! Cost was only $750 a month. The same high end condo in Hong Kong would cost $3, 500 a month.

Having young ladies come back the condo was a real deal maker. Once they saw where I lived (I did not tell them I was renting, I told them I owned it) , their underwear came off with the greatest of easy. Having a pretty Filipinas run around half naked after sex in a high end condo with a view at night, is like being in a moive. Plus, the condo had a fitness center, pool. 24 hour security, on call driver, etc. .[/QUOTE]I realise that this is the "Angeles" thread so I am just replying to the previous poster who posted his viewpoint here. Apologies but it will be out of context if I post it somewhere else.

I live in Ortigas Center which is 15 to 20 minutes drive from Makati, and I chose it over Makati because of the concentration of 4 large malls (SM Megamall, Shangri-la Plaza, Podium and Robinson's Galleria) and a large "wet market" (EDSA Central) within a 10 minute stroll from my condo. Despite their size, there are not "many many malls" in Makati as you said. It just seems like that. There are really only just the two (Greenbelt and Glorietta, although Power Plant could be classified as Makati too), and you still need a taxi to get to them unless you are a keen walker who doesn't mind getting hot and sweaty.
In Ortigas, I can literally stroll to 4 large malls and because it is not a Makati address, that alone knocks at least 2 million pesos off the price, and the ongoing rates and taxes are lower too. I am also just 100 to 150 php taxi ride away from Market Market in The Fort, PowerPlant in Rockwell, Gateway in Cubao and Trinoma and SM North EDSA at the end of EDSA.

If you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even Vitamin V will not stiffen your aging member. Will such a high-end place be worth-while then. Remember that women live all over Manila. Very very few actually live in Makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. All are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.

Just a further caution and this is me talking here.

I NEVER EVER take girls back to my residence. I treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and I just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where I live. I have a few friends who are posters here on ISG who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so I guess it is up to you.
However, I also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in Makati and one in Cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with ANOTHER girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

I just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

This is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1172305]Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

GE[/QUOTE]It is hard to recommend a specific Asian location because there are so many places to choose from and everybody has different preferences, goals, aesthetics, standards and financial constraints. Personally, I could not see myself settling down permanently in any one location for more than a year, although I would love to rent a condo in upper Sukhumvit for that amount of time just to see what would happen and I dream of having a small cottage on a beautiful relatively unspoiled south East Asian beach. For me it is a choice of urban environment vs. natural tropical beach environment and both worlds have their pros and cons. Both Makati and BKK for example have a ton of women and offer easy access to recreational weekend retreats and beaches. On the other hand, if you have a woman, Palawan, Negros, or one of the many southern Thai Islands would offer an amazing idyllic retreat that is not too far from the city nightlife when you need a break. I have travelled around Asia a bit in the last 20 years or so and wherever I go; I see expats living there.

If I were to choose a retirement location, I would first make a list of possible preferred destinations and then physically check them all out. I would take my time and spend a month or two in the places I like best and see which ones work for me. For the modern urban city environment; I would prefer BKK over Makati. I think Makati would get boring real fast and by comparison BKK has better restaurants, more things to do, and is safer. It's up to you. For me, I plan to eventually settle down to traveling for ten months out of the year and rent wherever I go while I keep my permanent residence in south Florida, USA. I am reluctant grow my roots too deep in foreign soil, but I love Asian women.

[quote=red kilt;1172354]if you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even vitamin v will not stiffen your aging member. will such a high-end place be worth-while then. remember that women live all over manila. very very few actually live in makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. all are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.[/quote]good advice, red kilt. a lot of mongers are living in denial. they seem to believe that their rapidly aging penises are somehow invulnerable to the ravages of time. some seem to think the fountain of youth is located in some young filipina's pussy and like ponce de leon they go on a futile quest in the twilight of their years. the truth is most men hate to face the fact that a day will come when not even a cocktail of viagra, levitra, cialis and divine help will be able to rouse their wilted members fallen never to rise again. when that day comes some will be content to sit in a bar killing off what's left of their liver as they look at the lovely young ladies and smile due to some vague memory of something fun that they used to be able to do with them. others may wish to do something more meaningful and find themselves unhappy with the choice of location made 10 to 15 yrs ago. lots of expats end up leaving what they once considered paradise for precisely this reason.

[quote=red kilt; 1172354]just a further caution and this is me talking here.

i never ever take girls back to my residence. i treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and i just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where i live. i have a few friends who are posters here on isg who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so i guess it is up to you.

however, i also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in makati and one in cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with another girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

i just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

this is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.[/quote]again you demonstrate good sense. unfortunately, most mongers live like fools in paradise oblivious to the serpents lurking in the orchard. many miraculously make it through their stay unrep001hed in spite of letting random girls visit their residence. some are not so lucky and get to see the dark side of pissed off filipinas, their relatives and boyfriends. every now and then some monger gets murdered and it rattles the expat community. chatter goes up on the forums for a few hours and then everyone goes back to enjoying the booze and the cheap pussy until someone gets whacked again.

Is there any rhyme or reason to the recent crackdown? Is any bar a target? What about the time they raid? How about the day the raid takes place?

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1172482]Is there any rhyme or reason to the recent crackdown? Is any bar a target? What about the time they raid? How about the day the raid takes place?[/QUOTE]There is no rhyme or reason for anything in the Philippines.

It's certainly not boring, got to hand that to them.

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1171853]Yah, the ones seeking foreigners usually are undesirable for the pinos. Lets face it any fresh piece of ass is already scooped up by the locals and once that piece of ass becomes rotten it becomes available on the market for foreigners. Foreigners in all parts of asia are fed the left-overs. Pure and simple. This is Asia![/QUOTE]Wow left overs! I find that quite offensive. Just because a woman isn't a virgin or has a kid doesn't make her less valuable. The phils like many 3rd world countries have an out dated and primitive religious dogma or worst some chauvinistic idea of a woman's value. Foreigners, more specifically westerners are not intimidated by a woman that has enjoyed sex by some one other than themselves. Many of these left overs are hard working good people that made some mistakes in their youths and while many pinoy men sit on their asses becoming drunks and gamblers while the live off the earnings of theses women. These men have no moral grounds to judge these women and neither do you. But whats interesting about your comments is that you completely negate that many foreigners have married fresh pieces or untouched women or even just deflowered them.

[QUOTE=Jbiz979; 1172597]Wow left overs! I find that quite offensive. Just because a woman isn't a virgin or has a kid doesn't make her less valuable. .

These men have no moral grounds to judge these women and neither do you.[/QUOTE]Women who have kids then become prostitutes are left overs. Most mongers would agree with me on this point.

In the P4p scene, I can judge because I'm the one with the money.

Morals and P4P don't mix!