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[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1172481]. When that day comes some will be content to sit in a bar killing off what's left of their liver as they look at the lovely young ladies and smile due to some vague memory of something fun that they used to be able to do with them.[/QUOTE]On one of my very rare visits to Angeles many years ago I was in a bar one afternoon watching some ladies do the " on stage shuffle". Seated next to me was an old gent, and I mean very old. Girls were bored and so was I, so I engaged in conversation with said gent.

He was an American guy, had been in Philippines for 20 plus years and said he came to Angeles 2 weeks every month. He was 85 years old.

Even though he had three young ladies sitting with him, stroking his hair and other meaningless attention, he told me it had been more than 10 years since he "had wood".

BUT. He said very clearly, if there ever came a day when he didn't apreciate their soft voices, sweet curves, and happy personalities, he said, then that would be the day he would go into the hole in the ground.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1172305]Where to retire here depends to a large extent on what you want out of retirement. If you want high end restaurants,"a big city feel," good shops, and at least a veneer of sophistication then Makati is the place. In fact, if you never venture outside the Greenbelt / Ayala / Ft. Bonifacio area you might think that this was a developed country. If I could choose where to live, Makati would be the place. If what you want is something with more of a provincial feel, more relaxed, less pollution, congestion and cheaper, there are lots of alternatives. Davao, where I live and work is one of them, but there are lots of others. Some guys I know love Cagayan de Oro, others love Dumaguete for example.

I would not choose this place for retirement, but that could be because familiarity breeds contempt and I've been here too long. For me, this place is too corrupt, too venal, too hopeless and too uninteresting culturally and there are other countries-Thailand being one-that I find more to my liking. But that's just me and I can't totally divorce myself from the general moral bankruptcy of the place and from the overwhelming greed and incompetence of the government. No matter how I try to concentrate on the fact that I have a pretty good life, I can't distance myself enough from the general context of the country. However, I know lots of guys who live here and genuinely like it. They're not disturbed or not deeply disturbed about the rest of it, and they live well.

As to the "crackdown" on bars, it's important to remember here that everything's a sham; that this place is the ultimate triumph of form over substance. No one here really gives a damn about prostitution, but if it's a show the US wants, the Philippines will gladly present one. This is a country that would implode without the remittances brought in by overseas workers, and charity from donors and it won't do anything to jeopardize these sources of revenue. However it's important to remember that there's no real commitment, no substance to anything the government does and it's ultimately all for show and / or to pander to the greed of officials who see still another way to screw someone out of money. The only reality here is the aggrandizement of the oligarchs and their supporting cast of politicians whom they own.

GE[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback and input. I agree with your comments about the state of the country. For me, as long as nobody gives me any problems while I am in the Philippines and there is still young to middle aged free pussy to be had, I a fine with living there. I was sent to college and grad school in America and crime there was the worst of any western country I have been to. I feel much more safe in the Philippines, than downtown Los Angeles and night.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan; 1172338]Hi there, actually I would suggest Fort Bonifacio as easier to live in than Makati, less traffic (at least at the moment) better infrasructure, quieter on weekends, easy to get to Makati but without the traffic of Makati. I have an apartment there and yes, them girls panties come down every time I take a willing target there. My new specialty is having them on the balcony. My neighbours can't see me and some girls are turned on by being naked in public, without being seen. You could consider McKinley Hills or Bonifacio Heights for the same reasoning if you want more of a house style.

My ideal retirement would be a house in Ayala Alabang, or Nuvali further south and to still keep an apartment in Fort bonifacio. Hopefully that would allow me some freedom for dating LOL. If not I'm sure theres a plan B and C and D.

I don't think anyone will judge you because to a large extent, were all doing the same LOL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback!

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1172354]I realise that this is the "Angeles" thread so I am just replying to the previous poster who posted his viewpoint here. Apologies but it will be out of context if I post it somewhere else.

I live in Ortigas Center which is 15 to 20 minutes drive from Makati, and I chose it over Makati because of the concentration of 4 large malls (SM Megamall, Shangri-la Plaza, Podium and Robinson's Galleria) and a large "wet market" (EDSA Central) within a 10 minute stroll from my condo. Despite their size, there are not "many many malls" in Makati as you said. It just seems like that. There are really only just the two (Greenbelt and Glorietta, although Power Plant could be classified as Makati too) , and you still need a taxi to get to them unless you are a keen walker who doesn't mind getting hot and sweaty.

In Ortigas, I can literally stroll to 4 large malls and because it is not a Makati address, that alone knocks at least 2 million pesos off the price, and the ongoing rates and taxes are lower too. I am also just 100 to 150 php taxi ride away from Market Market in The Fort, PowerPlant in Rockwell, Gateway in Cubao and Trinoma and SM North EDSA at the end of EDSA.

If you are choosing a retirement place on the basis of proximity to girls then let me gently remind you to think ahead 10 years and then 15 years when even Vitamin V will not stiffen your aging member. Will such a high-end place be worth-while then. Remember that women live all over Manila. Very very few actually live in Makati except those who stay in flats and bedsitters. All are able to travel anywhere by bus and taxi.

Just a further caution and this is me talking here.

I NEVER EVER take girls back to my residence. I treat it as my place of refuge and rest, and I just don't want to run the risk of having various girls and their assorted boyfriends and families knowing where I live. I have a few friends who are posters here on ISG who don't hesitate to do this and they seem to have no problem with bringing girls back so I guess it is up to you.

However, I also have 2 friends who had to move hotels (one in Makati and one in Cebu) , because girls got all pissy when they saw them next day in the mall (after a rollicking night) with ANOTHER girl and decided that all the stories the guys had spun them were just bullshit.

I just choose not to want to roll the dice like that.

This is just my point of view and an alternative for you to think about.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Ya, I would have to slim back on bring girls to my retirement condo when I live in PI. I will check out Ortigas Center on my next trip in 5 weeks.

To all you guys mongering in the Phillipines, have you ever seen any girls that look like the Filipino pornstar Charmane Star?

Just asking, as I'm trying to work out what the quality of the girls is like out there. Plus I think she's really hot!

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1172684]Thanks for the feedback and input. I agree with your comments about the state of the country. For me, as long as nobody gives me any problems while I am in the Philippines and there is still young to middle aged free pussy to be had, I a fine with living there. I was sent to college and grad school in America and crime there was the worst of any western country I have been to. I feel much more safe in the Philippines, than downtown Los Angeles and night.[/QUOTE]For me it's not so much a question of safety. Davao is probably the safest place I've ever lived. I'm just generally fed up with the country. Maybe I'd feel the same about Thailand or Cambodia or any other third world country after 8 years. I don't know as this is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in Asia or Africa. Perhaps the ideal for someone like me is just to live nomadically; staying a few months here and there without ever establishing a firm base that can't be left in a hurry. It's certainly got its attractions, at least in theory. I' not trying to influence anyone else's thinking; just saying that for me it's time for a change.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1172743]For me it's not so much a question of safety. Davao is probably the safest place I've ever lived. I'm just generally fed up with the country. Maybe I'd feel the same about Thailand or Cambodia or any other third world country after 8 years. I don't know as this is the longest I've ever lived anywhere in Asia or Africa. Perhaps the ideal for someone like me is just to live nomadically; staying a few months here and there without ever establishing a firm base that can't be left in a hurry. It's certainly got its attractions, at least in theory. I' not trying to influence anyone else's thinking; just saying that for me it's time for a change.

GE[/QUOTE]I think many of us have detected that in your writings recently. I'd certainly try the nomadic style and see how that works. And of course include the Thai option. Which can be an equally infuriating place in a different way to the infuriation (is that a word?) of Philippines. Malaysia is the dull conservative option. Will be interested to see what you do and where you go.

[quote=matius; 1172028]not meaning to defend the hiring of **** girls, but in the last raids, have you read any account which proved **** girls were the purpose of the raid or were discovered? was their any suggestion the bars raided were doing bold shows? we should all show sympathy for you cause blue nile, in the midst of a raid might have done you out of 250 peso. how about the poor manager of sunshine bar, probably makes $20 a day, most managers have no say in hiring, or wage payments. that raid was conducted over a claim of not paying the girls on time. now converted into forced sexual slavery. the manager faces a life sentence if convicted.

harry the horse is one of the biggest supporters of richard agnew and golden nile, as he (richard) is the self proclaimed president of the bar owner's association. pony tails was doing body paint, and at that time, these shows were approved by the recently departed mayor blueboy, the mayor's office use to issue a permit to do them. what they were doing had been allowed, then without instructions to the contrary, they are raided. yes, customers were taken in the last raid, and while they may have been released within 12 hours or so, how long before in these raids they are not released? and when you are cuffed, loaded on the bus, transported to manila. not knowing if you will be released. trying to prove you are not an owner or manager (how will you do that) , are you going to wait for harry the horse to take up your cause. ha ha. i suppose it does not matter to you that your name and nationality are splashed across the international press, engaged in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url], as has been done to the manager of sunshine bar?

camelot was raided under the guise of prostitution, yes they supposedly found **** girls, but marked money and prostituion led to the raid. the mayor's notice outside both camelot and dirty duck cited prostitution and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] as the reason for their closure, last year.

how big of a jump is it for this [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] justification to include sex tourism? as cited previously, by philippine law, prostitution is [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] and for foreigners, it is a non-bailable offense, that if convicted carries a life sentence. so when the bars are put out business, and everyone is setting up their pleasures through dia, filipino heart, etc, and money is to be made one on one with you as the victim. you can remember the days of your 100 peso traffic fine.

the truth in my opinion is that this is an attack on foreign business men, who although engaged in an immoral trade, are being victimized for less than what filipino owned bars do on a regular basis, without any police action. and your only comfort is that they just have not come for you. yet. again my opinion, but there are not many places left in this world where our hobby is so easily accomodated and at such a ridiculously low price, one should be concerned. nothing can be guaranteed forever, as we see has happened over the last ten years in our home countries, it would not take much at all to wipe the philippines off our map of desireable destinations.[/quote]look, i'm only commenting on some raids. lots of bad shit happens in ac because of corrupt cops. but there are actually some that feel strongly that certain practices must be eradicated. they actually go into bars where they they have strong suspicion of **** girls. all i am saying that as it happens, golden nile did a lousy job of ensuring that **** girls were not working there. i like the young, innocent looking girls, but i want to make sure they are all over 18. i have more to say, but typing this on an ipad can be a real pain, and i have a particularly hot girl that i bar fined from lancelot next to me. she is 18, 5'7", with a tight body and cute face. just got her license 2 weeks ago, (same date on all 4 cards) and i am tempted to go for another round, but i think she is a little worn put from the first session. so, it is safe to say that i am not talking from the perspective that the bars should be closed down, just in keeping them under control so that one day, some undercover western news crew doesn't come out here and find a bunch of girls who really are **** working in the bars. because that could actually spark the end of everything. there happens to be an increase in coverage worldwide on these issues right now, with the cnn freedom project resulting in a lot of attention wherever they go.

and one more thing. forget about that 250 peso event. i am much more concerned with the candy-in-lieu of change scam going on at 7/11. i never thought much about it until it was brought to my attention on this board. it always happens to me only at that particular 7/11. and again it happened today. i can't wait to post what went down, but it is going to have to wait till i bang this girl and get behind a real keyboard. but let's just say, the next time i walk into that 7/11, they'll be scrambling to put some one peso coins in the register.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1172767]I think many of us have detected that in your writings recently. I'd certainly try the nomadic style and see how that works. And of course include the Thai option. Which can be an equally infuriating place in a different way to the infuriation (is that a word?) of Philippines. Malaysia is the dull conservative option. Will be interested to see what you do and where you go.[/QUOTE]I can't do any immediately as I have work here that I enjoy and need to finish, but I will be checking out places over the next year. Next week I'm going to Batam for a while, and then maybe to Johor Baru or maybe up to Chaingmai where I haven't been in quite a while. I think I'll check out a couple of possibilities every couple of months, and then eventually decide on where I'm going to go next.

GE

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1172968]I can't do any immediately as I have work here that I enjoy and need to finish, but I will be checking out places over the next year. Next week I'm going to Batam for a while, and then maybe to Johor Baru or maybe up to Chaingmai where I haven't been in quite a while. I think I'll check out a couple of possibilities every couple of months, and then eventually decide on where I'm going to go next.

GE[/QUOTE]Chaing Mai is a good call. At least worth a recon visit. Last trip there I was talking to many expats who had decamped there and they all seemed to enjoy the place.

[QUOTE=Amjeck; 1172655]Women who have kids then become prostitutes are left overs. Most mongers would agree with me on this point.

In the P4p scene, I can judge because I'm the one with the money.

Morals and P4P don't mix![/QUOTE]I would never even contemplate anything serious with a prostitute so I have to agree with you also

What's going on gentlemen?

I'm a long time lurker who finally has something to report on. I got to Angeles last night and it's a lot like I expected it to be (though not quite as bad as some make it out to be). It's beatdown and pretty dirty, but still a lot of fun. Reading the forum I got the impression that this would be easy, but I had no idea! It was pretty dead out and you basically have your pick. I did briefly chat with a mamasan when I first got there and she tried to tell me that they don't barfine since the raid (s). Riiiiight. Maybe she said it because I had just walked in and I'm young and pretty clean cut. Thought I was a cop? I'm definitely NOT philippino.

Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.

Reading this forums have been a huge help here so cheers to you guys for making this forum so kick ass.

[QUOTE=Lancealot1; 1173124]What's going on gentlemen?

Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.[/QUOTE]You have to go meet your friends (male friends) , and you will be doing guy things, boys only. Works best if you really have some buddies in town, and you call them up and plan a meeting over the phone. That way she can hear you and know the meeting is real.

[QUOTE=Wadman;1173134]You have to go meet your friends (male friends) , and you will be doing guy things, boys only. Works best if you really have some buddies in town, and you call them up and plan a meeting over the phone. That way she can hear you and know the meeting is real.[/QUOTE]I like it! Thanks.

I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.