Chat Rooms & Pen Pals

[QUOTE=Amavida;1917149]My advice is if you can't post a pic of yourself then don't go on dating sites. Remember the disappointment of contacting that hot chick who turned out to be a fake / scammer?
AV.[/QUOTE]I have not used a dating site for a while now. I've been fortunate, and my regulars have been into the referral game for a while. However, when I did have a dating profile, I never posted a picture (not even a fake). I never carried on conversation within the dating site, I moved it to YM as soon as possible, by saying that I was interested in cam-2-cam conversation ONLY. I made it a rule to refuse to meet with anyone who did not cam first (pics alone are worthless). Never give info in your dating profile that identifies you personally.

For a long time I used the fake name "Bob" when meeting new dating site girls. Even after several meetings over many months, they still thought I was Bob. Then I was having drinks with a mate here, we got tipsy, and we were joking as to what our top-secret government code names might be if we were spies. I chose "Peter" and "Dick", as they represent one of my fav things. We got a kick out of that. For fun, I changed my fake dating site name to "Peter" for a while. Recently I was walking along Pedro Gil towards Robinson's Malate in the morning. I heard someone yelling "Bob! Bob!" Nah, couldn't be. Across the street by Eurotel was a street urchin that I'd had several years ago (took her up in Eurotel, right there where she was standing). She was waving. I waved back. Wanted to say: My old fake name was Bob, hun. New fake name became Peter. You could call me by my other fake name Westy. I will never tell you me real name Xxxx. Best that I turn around and walk away now, as I'm meeting a mate for coffee. Bye (whoever you are)! And I turned and walked away. I later found her pics, from? 3 years ago. She remembered my (fake) name for 3 years.

Never give your real info till you know and trust the girl.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1907791]Why do you need to say anything? Nobody reads that stuff.[/QUOTE]Correct. In my experience the women write drivel that tells you nothing & they demonstrably do not read (or remember) anything you wrote. The trick of all of these dating sites is to be *new! Make small edits that keep your profile appearing at the top of the first page. Its a numbers game, don't obsess over women on there. If you get a bite move the conversation off site to a safe platform immediately. Ask to see them on cam. If they don't co-operate drop them & move on to the next. Sometimes they will come good later but leave it to them & keep hunting others in the mean time. Don't peak too early. 2-3 weeks before arriving is enough time to start looking. They quickly lose interest if you drag it out for months. Be organised, have a system to keep notes on who is who, so many, so little time. .

AV.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1917198]Never give your real info till you know and trust the girl.[/QUOTE]Chick at the hotel desk in Angeles the week before last kept calling me by my real name. (Even though I booked with my Asia name, they actually looked this time when they copied my passport.) I would cringe every time. The other chick at the desk corrected her with my Asia name. She said but here it says (real name). The other chick was smart enough to explain to her about the usage of fake names.

Posters here expect girls to be telling them the truth and to be honest with them. Why do you need to use a fake name and info and lie at times?

BTW, I don't use dating sites. I prefer pnp and have never use a fake name or story or lie and have never had a problem.

Posters here expect girls to be telling them the truth and to be honest with them. Why do you need to use a fake name and info and lie at times?

BTW, I don't use dating sites. I prefer pnp and have never use a fake name or story or lie and have never had a problem.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1917198]. For fun, I changed my fake dating site name to "Peter" for a while. Recently I was walking along Pedro Gil towards Robinson's Malate in the morning. I heard someone yelling "Bob! Bob!" Nah, couldn't be. Across the street by Eurotel was a street urchin that I'd had several years ago (took her up in Eurotel, right there where she was standing). She was waving. I waved back. Wanted to say: My old fake name was Bob, hun. New fake name became Peter. You could call me by my other fake name Westy. I will never tell you me real name Xxxx.. I later found her pics, from? 3 years ago. She remembered my (fake) name for 3 years.

Never give your real info till you know and trust the girl.[/QUOTE]Funny story. I've been aka Harry for many years. And back in the day when I lived in Makati, I took a visiting guy with me on a walk through P Burgos.

In many of the places we visited there was a " Hello Harry, nice to see you again Harry. How are you Harry. Etc. .

The guy I was with as quite baffled and gave me the serious face and said " But your real name is xxyyzz ". I said " not in here its not ". You could his brain analysing this and eventually he said, having seen the penny drop " Ah so you don't use your real name here. ".

Fast forward a year or two and was in Orchard Towers in SG. Stood in a bar and lady came up and said " Hi Harry". Without even asking her, I knew where she had been working.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1917247]Posters here expect girls to be telling them the truth and to be honest with them. Why do you need to use a fake name and info and lie at times?

BTW, I don't use dating sites. I prefer pnp and have never use a fake name or story or lie and have never had a problem.[/QUOTE]But if you do ever have a problem then you will not be hard to find. I am from the streets. When you are in the streets doing street shit you always use an alias. Mongering is street shit. Why didn't you just use your government name for your handle on ISG?

You must forget that many people here also have significant others who are not as accepting of their hobby as yours may be. So the last thing they need is some hooker being able to track them down because they were so honest.

Who really gives a fuck if a hooker is being honest? As long as the transaction goes smoothly (no diseases, doesn't try to rip me off) I could care less what lies she tells. I am there to fuck, not marry her. Now of course there is a different approach when looking for a genuine relationship.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1917247]Posters here expect girls to be telling them the truth and to be honest with them. Why do you need to use a fake name and info and lie at times?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917316]You must forget that many people here also have significant others who are not as accepting of their hobby as yours may be. So the last thing they need is some hooker being able to track them down because they were so honest.[/QUOTE]Bingo. Respectfully, Dg, that's a failure to understand the (mongering) clientele. The many mongers on this board are from varied backgrounds. If you are single, retired, no significant other, don't have a sensitive job, and don't give a rat's ass about who finds out what you are doing, then you can show your face on a dating site, or tell everyone your real name. However, many of us don't fall into that category.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917316]Who really gives a fuck if a hooker is being honest? As long as the transaction goes smoothly (no diseases, doesn't try to rip me off) I could care less what lies she tells. I am there to fuck, not marry her. Now of course there is a different approach when looking for a genuine relationship. [/QUOTE]I think that analysis, too, is too simple. Dividing pinay up into hookers and those for genuine relationships misses a large chunk of girls that the varied mongers deal with. For instance, I have fairly good, long-running relationships with a number of pinay (both city and provincial), for years. I would have difficulty putting them into one or the other category you mentioned. Alternately, maybe they fall into both categories. They are aware that I have no plan to marry them, that I have multiple girls. Notice in the PG my many 3 & 4-somes. I also "help them my situation". While they all accept my pesos (or groceries, pampers, and sanitary napkins for their family), many of them are also in other relationships with their pinoy ("my heart beat to Terrance") or they are actively looking for a foreign prince to take them away.

When I take a girl from LAC or Burgos, I don't expect any honesty. When I visit with my regulars (or they bus in to visit me), since we've been together for some years and have gotten to know each other's personalities, I expect (a greater degree of) honesty.

My post was referring to posters who are on dating sites complaining about girls lying and with fake names when posters are doing the same.

Possibly if we can have a master post complaining about everything from the price of a drink, lady drinks, bar fines, over tipping, lousy food, Koreans snatching up all the lookers and on and on and on and on, we can save some reading time.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1917421]
I think that analysis, too, is too simple. Dividing pinay up into hookers and those for genuine relationships misses a large chunk of girls that the varied mongers deal with.[/QUOTE]New people, note well. There is a lot more hustle out there these day's but you still need a little tact. As long as you don't rub their noses in it many will happily exchange 'companionship' for 'help'. Be subtle if not sure but just make it clear if you're not available to be an alimony victim.

AV.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1917421]I think that analysis, too, is too simple. Dividing pinay up into hookers and those for genuine relationships misses a large chunk of girls that the varied mongers deal with. .[/QUOTE]Westie's comment (which I fully agree with) has prompted me to express that sometimes I get frustrated with FR's that make it look all to easy. A newbie would think all you have to do is throw out some messages on facebook or dating websites, get them to turn up to your hotel and out they go with a few blue notes in hand after a few hours. I am not saying some FR's are fictional here. But I think they are like US Corporate earnings reports. All the good stuff with the bad stuff taken out.

I think I have enough experience under the belt now to have a useful opinion. I have used facebook and multiple dating websites extensively since 2013. Being a bit analytical, I propose I encounter 5 types of girls:

(1) "not unless you marry me" = want to know you via chats for months, want to meet you at the airport when you arrive as she must be the only one you meet, after multiple visits you might get action but you will have to fib about your long term intentions.

(2) "play hard to get" = ultimately looking for some form of support although maybe too shy or discrete to ask. Will take multiple "dates" to get anywhere and only then if they think there is an opportunity for an ongoing relationship expecting financial support.

(3) "up to you" = will be lead by you and are the best prospects for scoring on first meeting with no expectation to meet again. Either truly liberated open minded or more likely naive shy who don't have the confidence or think that the only way they can keep you is give you what you want.

(4) "show me the money" = I don't encounter a lot of true "hardcore pros". More pragmatic minded who just are more confident to say what they exactly expect knowing that you are not a long term prospect.

(5) "scammers and other undesirables" = they have no intention to meet or they will meet with no intention to take it any further but keep pestering you for some help sold to you as a carrot for future benefits down the road. I also throw in the ladyboys into this category who most are open about it but some will conceal until the very end.

I propose that three factors influence what each mongers experience will be (1) who you are. If you are Brad Pitt you will get a lot of "up to you". (2) who you target. If you trying to hit on young stunning girls (which is my main focus) then it is never "up to you". If you target over 30's then more will be "up to you". (3) What you tell them. If you lie and say you will marry them then your opportunities open up. If you are honest then you get more "play hard to gets" and "show me the money".

In my case I am an average looking middle aged westerner targeting 18-25 very attractive girls telling them the truth upfront (to not waste their time or my time) that I only offer an ongoing GF with supportive allowance or gift per meeting. I don't tend to encounter a lot of "up to you" maybe because I am clear upfront what I offer / expect. The true beauty of the Philippines is the "play hard to get". Philippines is the GFE capital. There are better places for P4 P IMHO. There is low hanging fruit (the up to you's) but not as easy as it is made out here in many FR's.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1917821]Westie's comment (which I fully agree with) has prompted me to express that sometimes I get frustrated with FR's that make it look all to easy. A newbie would think all you have to do is throw out some messages on facebook or dating websites, get them to turn up to your hotel and out they go with a few blue notes in hand after a few hours.[/QUOTE]It IS fucking easy. The only other place that it may be easier to get some pussy other than the Philippines is the Dominican Republic. There you can literally be driving down the street, see a chick on the side who is looking for a ride, pick her up, and go to a motel to fuck her before taking her to where she was going.

But I must say that I think there is only 1 chick that I have met online in the Philippines that I didn't end up fucking (9 times out of 10 for free). That was a chick in Dumaguette. And even she was going to send her cousin back to give me some pussy. Not sure what ended up happening with that.

I even woke up once in Manila with a message on some dating site of a chick saying since you are close by I want to come fuck for 1000 pesos. Chick I had never talked to in my life. After I responded to the message the chick was at my hotel in 10 minutes flat.

I am usually not even forward and do not intend on fucking. I just try to meet for curiosity sake and becoming friends. But always end up fucking.

2 weeks ago in AC I finally decided to be forward and see what would happen. And this is one category you guys left off. This was in the first minute of writing to this chick. The chick said if I come see you what are we going to do. I said fuck. She went into a big thing on how she is not a hooker but ended up asking how much would I give. I said 500 pesos. She said no, but she would for $100. She went back to saying how she is not a hooker. I said well my final offer is 1000 pesos. If you decide that you need that within a certain amount of time then you know how to contact me. (The conversation got out of order when I uploaded it, but you can figure it out.)

Have to agree with Mr Enternational.

Last visit in AC met a call center girl greed to meet at Margarita Station as I do like to have a sanity check before they hit the apartment. SHe was good to go, back to the apartment and into the sack.

Invited her again a few days later, same same without the need for the interview.

Regular girl, appears to have a BF on her other FB profile, no money exchanged.

She ready and on standby for the next trip.

Can't wait to get back there in the next month.

BD.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1917843]It IS fucking easy....But I must say that I think there is only 1 chick that I have met online in the Philippines that I didn't end up fucking (9 times out of 10 for free).
I am usually not even forward and do not intend on fucking. I just try to meet for curiosity sake and becoming friends. But always end up fucking.[/QUOTE]We are fishing in different ponds. Young attractive girls are getting flooded with contact emails. In a generalised sense, they know their worth. The chance they are going to meet a foreigner and have sex on a first date for free is zero. I am not knocking your choice of fish you catch and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But why would I travel all that way just to do a 30+ year old with a few spare tyres.

[QUOTE=MsAccount;1917902]We are fishing in different ponds. Young attractive girls are getting flooded with contact emails. In a generalised sense, they know their worth. The chance they are going to meet a foreigner and have sex on a first date for free is zero. I am not knocking your choice of fish you catch and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But why would I travel all that way just to do a 30+ year old with a few spare tyres.[/QUOTE]Bullshit. You are putting the pussy on a pedastal. They know their worth? Please dude. What woman do you know that walks around thinking they are all that? They constantly look for someone to tell them they are all that and then they still won't admit to feeling like they are. Sure if you approach them all needy and thirsty then you are not going to get any play because women do not like weak men. Get some confidence about yourself. My attitude is that I can fuck anybody; why do I need to fuck you?

All women are used to guys hitting on them because they have had to endure that since puberty. And ALL WOMEN ARE BEING FLOODED WITH CONTACT EMAILS. It has nothing to do with age or beauty. It is nothing new. Now if you are 60 and looking for a 20 year old then that old adage holds: If you ain't doing it back home, then you ain't going to another country doing it. No 20 year old genuinely wants a man her grandfather's age. I am 44, so I am still in the house. In another 10 or 15 years maybe I will be one saying how good it used to be but now there are so many runners and chicks that won't barfine.

Maybe you are trying to fish in a pond that you don't belong at. And who said a woman who is 30 has to have a few spare tires? There are plenty of ugly 20 year olds with spare tires and plenty of beautiful 30 year olds without spare tires. Maybe you are looking for someone solely on the basis of age, which is pretty asinine and kind of creepy. (I fucked enough teenagers when I was in high school and university.) This is my girlfriend in Cebu. 30 years old, no kids, own house, own money, and no spare tires!

*Maybe the chances they are going to meet YOU and have sex on the first date for free are zero. But there are plenty of testimonials of people who have had that as their least problem.