Makati

[QUOTE=Lokah;3050733]Hello fellow mongers!

FYI. This is my first ever post in ISG. So if there is any mistakes, I do apologize for that.

After carefully reviewing Phils recommendation I have booked my entire stay at City garden grand hotel. I will be in Manila 5 nights, at the beginning I thought about spending few days in Manila and few day in some other place but after reading a lot seniors thread I realized if it is only for a short trip it is better stay at one place and have as fun as possible.

My reasons to book City grand garden is. It is closest to P. Burgos st, it is GF friendly and also as phil mentioned few times earlier they do check the girls ID and make sure I am safe.

I have already created a profile on PL and I will buy the subscription just before I reach there so that I do not have any hassle sending messages. I plan to make arrangements with a few in PL but I will not put my complete trust on PL as there are many chances of no show. I plan to fix any dates in the morning and check whether it works out or not. And in the evening I plan to go and explore the streets, bars and FL.

[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good plan Lokah and welcome to the club.

Either of the City Garden hotels are girl friendly so you won't have a problem.

Set your PL so it shows your current location and your phone will start getting lots of messages from Makati girls. Look out for the ones who want to chat via WhatsApp. Although PL will give you a warning, WhatsApp will be where you'll be doing your negotiating. Just say you're "up for fun".

Don't be afraid to just block them on PL or WhatsApp if they don't suit your price range or are too demanding. There will be another one.

As for FL's on the streets, most will have a set of testicles and only offer a BJ. If that doesn't worry you, then go for it.

But there are some quality FL's with a vagina to be found in Makati. Especially later at night when they need to make some cash. You'll find the Ladyboys all have the same accent. I generally tit check everything from above just to make sure.

I can't really speak for the 'seniors' but I'd say we've all made mistakes along the way, but you learn from them. I still am after multiple, multiple visits. So don't get down on yourself if you get 'ripped off' or 'taken for a ride' - so to speak. At any stage. We all live and learn.

Additionally, not one trip I've had has gone to plan. And that's not exactly a bad thing. There will be many joyful surprizes along the way.

The Phils is always a learning experience. And an opportunity to assist those poorer than yourself and feel good doing so.

Just my experience_Phil.

Anyone want to grab some beers and head out tonight? (Long term ISG-er). I've just hung out with someone in Quezon but the area was kind of dead, hah.

Looks like fate has me in Makati in a couple of days. Not new to this hobby but new to the Philippines, and just wanted to clarify something: the "tips" mention in these posts are for the girl to spend the night with you in your hotel, right? Am I understanding that right? What are the expectations for that time? As many round as I can go before my aging body gives out? Is it obligatory that she stay the whole time, or if she's annoying and I'm done can I send her home? I am much more familiar with places where things are charged by the hour. I've dug around the forums for a while and think I know what's going on but wanted to make sure.

[QUOTE=JHS42;3052081]Looks like fate has me in Makati in a couple of days. Not new to this hobby but new to the Philippines, and just wanted to clarify something: the "tips" mention in these posts are for the girl to spend the night with you in your hotel, right? Am I understanding that right? What are the expectations for that time? As many round as I can go before my aging body gives out? Is it obligatory that she stay the whole time, or if she's annoying and I'm done can I send her home? I am much more familiar with places where things are charged by the hour. I've dug around the forums for a while and think I know what's going on but wanted to make sure.[/QUOTE]Yes, in this context "tips" are to compensate the girl for her time. There are a few different options depending on where she works.

1/. In a gogo bar, eg on P Burgos, before leaving the bar you ask the girl's barfine amount and expected tip given the time and activities you want. The barfine is paid direct to the bar before leaving to release the girl from work. The tip is paid in your room after the session is finished and if you are happy with her performance. Something has to be drastically wrong not to pay her so it's pretty rare. If you agreed on Short Time, that's typically one shot over an hour. Long Time is one shot at night and another in the morning before she leaves. Note these are not cast in stone and you can agree on any duration, departure time, shots etc that you want.

2). In a freelancer bar, eg Midnight Haven, there is no bar fine. You only pay the bar for drinks consumed. Again, before leaving you want to agree on her tip and the level of service that covers. It's also paid after the deed (s) and just before she leaves your room.

3/. Direct procurement of street walkers, online girls etc are the same. No establishment fees but an tip paid after services are received.

A general rule is to NEVER prepay the girl's tip. That almost guarantees early runners, poor performance or other issues.

The big exception is Angeles City where barfines are inclusive of the girl's tip and is 100% prepaid before leaving the bar. This is the main cause of all the complaints about poor performance, attitude or girls wanting to leave earlier than promised. She's already been paid so there is no disincentive for her to misbehave.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. If you have had enough and want her to leave, the universal signal is to pay her. She will get the hint, pack up her stuff and be gone within minutes. Note that if her leaving early is your choice ie not her doing a runner, then you still owe her full payment as agreed earlier.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3052090]Yes, in this context "tips" are to compensate the girl for her time. There are a few different options depending on where she works.

1/. In a gogo bar, eg on P Burgos, before leaving the bar you ask the girl's barfine amount and expected tip given the time and activities you want. The barfine is paid direct to the bar before leaving to release the girl from work. The tip is paid in your room after the session is finished and if you are happy with her performance. Something has to be drastically wrong not to pay her so it's pretty rare. If you agreed on Short Time, that's typically one shot over an hour. Long Time is one shot at night and another in the morning before she leaves. Note these are not cast in stone and you can agree on any duration, departure time, shots etc that you want.

2). In a freelancer bar, eg Midnight Haven, there is no bar fine. You only pay the bar for drinks consumed. Again, before leaving you want to agree on her tip and the level of service that covers. It's also paid after the deed (s) and just before she leaves your room.

3/. Direct procurement of street walkers, online girls etc are the same. No establishment fees but an tip paid after services are received.

A general rule is to NEVER prepay the girl's tip. That almost guarantees early runners, poor performance or other issues.

The big exception is Angeles City where barfines are inclusive of the girl's tip and is 100% prepaid before leaving the bar. This is the main cause of all the complaints about poor performance, attitude or girls wanting to leave earlier than promised. She's already been paid so there is no disincentive for her to misbehave.

Enjoy. G.

P.S. If you have had enough and want her to leave, the universal signal is to pay her. She will get the hint, pack up her stuff and be gone within minutes. Note that if her leaving early is your choice ie not her doing a runner, then you still owe her full payment as agreed earlier.[/QUOTE]Thank you! This is very helpful!

[QUOTE=PhilJoy;3051624]Sounds like a good plan Lokah and welcome to the club.

Either of the City Garden hotels are girl friendly so you won't have a problem.

Set your PL so it shows your current location and your phone will start getting lots of messages from Makati girls. Look out for the ones who want to chat via WhatsApp. Although PL will give you a warning, WhatsApp will be where you'll be doing your negotiating. Just say you're "up for fun".

Don't be afraid to just block them on PL or WhatsApp if they don't suit your price range or are too demanding. There will be another one.

As for FL's on the streets, most will have a set of testicles and only offer a BJ. If that doesn't worry you, then go for it.

But there are some quality FL's with a vagina to be found in Makati. Especially later at night when they need to make some cash. You'll find the Ladyboys all have the same accent. I generally tit check everything from above just to make sure.[/QUOTE]Thank you Phil!

How variable are the numbers for these places? I was just quoted 4600 for a barfine at Bottoms, and 8000 for sex or 5000 for just a blowjob, and she held firm when I tried to bargain so I just got up and left. Kind of a bummer because it felt like there was some chemistry, but nobody's worth 12600 total me here.

[QUOTE=KingOfMan;3049890]Bottoms. SML -190 P, LD-500 (With fun) , BF 4000, [b]Girl 4000 till morning[/b].[/QUOTE]From January 29.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3049890&viewfull=1#post3049890[/URL]

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3047511]Bottoms 10:30pm. Beer 190, LD 460, BF 4600. Tip ask the girl. [b]Mama shared with me that tip of p5000 is typically for ST[/b]. I didn't ask what tip would get me LT. 14 girls / only 4 doable. 2 other customers.[/QUOTE]From January 15.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=3047511&viewfull=1#post3047511[/URL]

[QUOTE=JHS42;3052292]How variable are the numbers for these places? I was just quoted 4600 for a barfine at Bottoms, and 8000 for sex or 5000 for just a blowjob, and she held firm when I tried to bargain so I just got up and left. Kind of a bummer because it felt like there was some chemistry, but nobody's worth 12600 total me here.[/QUOTE]These bars have been reviewed extensively in the past month, including Bottoms. There is rarely movement on the barfine amount unless there has been a real slowdown in foot traffic or barfining for several nights or more. Alternately if the mama senses that you are newb and / or inebriated, she might increase the barfine amount p1,000-2,000 Tip amount is completely up to the girl, as is how long she will stay, how many pops she provides, condom or not, and so on. When you said "she held firm", are you talking about the mama (barfine amount) or the girl (tip / service amount)? If you are talking about the tip amount from the girl, each girl is different. A different girl, possibly desperate for a barfine TONIGHT, might quote you considerably less (and agree to stay longer, extra pops, etc). There is no price list on the wall for tip amount in bars that allow the girl to decide, such as Bottoms. Some bars have a standardized tip amount for all girls.

In think it was Oculto bar, middle of last year, I was quoted p7000 barfine + p7000 tip for all girls. Bit pricey. You can always try to haggle.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;3051068]Couple of screenshots from the app attached. Notice on each one, Grab Cars were available in Makati, but not Grab Taxis. As discussed before, a Grab Taxi is a regular white taxi (has a meter, which the driver will use) with a large green "G" in one of the rear passenger windows. The driver will set the meter to the flag-fall rate when he arrives at your location to pick you up (usually p40 or p50). You will be charged the normal metered fare + Grab fee (usually an additional p59-p79) at the end of your ride (as with any taxi, the longer or farther the ride, the more the meter runs up). The driver keeps the metered amount and a small portion of the Grab fee (often p20-30, for his time driving to pick you up after he agreed to your ride). The remainder he will give to Grab for their service. If you see a Grab Taxi option in the app (along with Grab Cars), it will show a typical range for your ride (ie, it will say p170-p220, or such), and most likely your ride total will be in that range at the end (that's not a guarantee; heavy traffic conditions might cause a longer ride). The 'range' is just an electronic guess on Grab's part. A Grab Taxi driver, like any taxi driver, might be tempted to take a longer route to get you to your destination.[/QUOTE]Hello WC1,

Thank you for taking the time to explain all that in details and sharing the screenshots for reference, its really informative & helpful.

I had used Grab before in Vietnam but never realize how the Grab taxi vs Grab car system actually worked until now. Appreciate you sharing the info clearly, this will be helpful for everyone new here.

Thanks.

L.

[QUOTE=JHS42;3052292]How variable are the numbers for these places? I was just quoted 4600 for a barfine at Bottoms, and 8000 for sex or 5000 for just a blowjob, and she held firm when I tried to bargain so I just got up and left. Kind of a bummer because it felt like there was some chemistry, but nobody's worth 12600 total me here.[/QUOTE]J,

Let's address the elephant in the room:

Any girl quoting 13 k but then immediately reducing her offer to a sensible amount is just trying her luck with a newbie. No harm, no foul.

Any girl quoting 13 k and sticking to her guns during negotiations, doesn't want to go with you anyway. Maybe you're ugly; maybe you smell; maybe she's already earnt enough for the night; maybe she doesn't like the colour of your shoelaces?? We're never going to know but you did the right thing to walk way rather than force the issue.

Enjoy. G.

I'll be honest. I barely remember writing this, as I was fairly drunk, which was a bad move on my part that could have turned out much worse, but I was just getting into the spirit of things a little too heavily with a few girls.

By "held firm" I meant the girl on the tip, not the barfine, which I figured wasn't going to change. Maybe me being pretty drunk she figured it would be a good time to take advantage of me? She probably could have if she'd been slightly less ridiculous. Regardless, I walked out, got a little dinner, sobered up somewhat, and came back and got the job done at V8 for 3500 BF + 5000, and had a fun time at my hotel. Got her WhatsApp hoping to follow up when I'm back in town in a week sans barfine, but as is so often the case with these things it quickly turned into sad tales of how her money was stolen and there are no customers and could she please just borrow 3000 pesos and she'll pay me back when she sees me.

[QUOTE=Goferring;3052350]J,

Let's address the elephant in the room:

Any girl quoting 13 k but then immediately reducing her offer to a sensible amount is just trying her luck with a newbie. No harm, no foul.

Any girl quoting 13 k and sticking to her guns during negotiations, doesn't want to go with you anyway. Maybe you're ugly; maybe you smell; maybe she's already earnt enough for the night; maybe she doesn't like the colour of your shoelaces?? We're never going to know but you did the right thing to walk way rather than force the issue.

Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JHS42;3054594]Maybe me being pretty drunk she figured it would be a good time to take advantage of me? She probably could have if she'd been slightly less ridiculous. [/QUOTE]Can't be sure as I'm not in her head (or haven't been in a while), but a newb can be played with, and a drunk newb especially.

[QUOTE=JHS42;3054594]Regardless, I walked out, got a little dinner, sobered up somewhat, and came back and got the job done at V8 for 3500 BF + 5000, and had a fun time at my hotel. [/QUOTE]Perfect, good choice. Its my fav smaller bar with 10-20 lovelies. Its straight up biz there. Lips is fav large bar, by far.

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share my experience in the first 2 days here in Makati.

I arrived Thursday the 5th around 2 pm, jetlagged and not in a good mood after 20 h of flights. I went straight outside to check the vibe. I liked the place and the tropical heat. I just wanted to find a place to get a happy end massage and to crush until Friday. It felt difficult to find a place to get a happy end massage or a nice girl that can provide that in my airbnb. Discouraged, I went back home, tried to get some rest. Unfortunately I couldn't sleep so I went outside again around 7 pm. This time my plan was to find the first massage shop and go straight and ask if they do happy endings.

Walking north on Burgos, just across the filling station there was a lady that looked slightly older (maybe 30) that told me she works for a massage place and that she can do that for 1000 for the massage room and 3000 for the happy ending BJ. I don't know why I had a feeling that she might be a lady boy and I asked her directly to which she said NO, I am a lady and that in the massage shop lady boys are not allowed to work.

Long story short, since I was hesitating she said she can do that for 2000 for BJ and 1000 massage. I said ok. At the end it turned out she was indeed a ladyboy.

I got out and I said to myself I need to be extra careful from now on even though it was a good experience overall. I went to sleep immediately and I woke up Friday after sleeping 13 h continuously.

I got the morning coffee and Tinder, bumble and pinalove firing continuously. 90% of the bumble and tinder profiles are ladyboys. Some of them are more attractive than some girls. I started asking twice and telling them to verify.

Finally around 5 pm I was waiting for a "girl" that said for 3 k will give me 2 cums. She looked attractive maybe one could have said the she might be lady boy but she confirmed twice that she is not. I told her I will kick her out if it turns out she is ladyboy. She than brought up the argument that she will show the ID at the reception so that we will know if she is a boy or a girl. I accepted, we went up in the apartment, she went straight to the bathroom and then she started to do BJ. I asked her for sex but she said no lets finish this time through BJ. I was trying to touch her intimate parts (she was naked) but she was avoiding that as well. At a point I understood that she might not be a girl afterall but she kept it hidden very well. I got up started to dress up and I asked her to leave. I took the money that I had on the table for her and I put them in my pocket. At that moment she call a guy and she / he told me to talk to her boss. I tried to tell him that she is a boy, she has a dick but he seemed he didn't understand. She started speaking very loud and asking for the money since she gave me a blowjob. In the end I told myself that it is not worth the whole circus for 3 k and I gave her the whole amount. We went downstairs an I asked the guardian what can I do in this situation and why is it that he didn't say anything about she being a lady boy. He told me I cannot do too much and even if I go to the police (since he has a picture of her ID) the police might turn against me and ask for more money since they can't get anything from her.

What I learned from this experience and I hope this will help others since I strongly believe this has happened in the past because she was too sure about how things will turn out.

1) if she comes to your place ask her to show the National ID that has the persons sex on the back of the card (male of female) and not the Financial ID card. My lady boy showed me and the guardian her financial ID which is accepted everywhere in the Philippines but doesn't have the sex. (check google for more info on national ID and financial ID in the PH).

2) On tinder and bumble there are mostly lady boys and they look very attractive, some of them better than girls.

3) on the streets in makati there are probably 90-95% lady boys. The chances for you to get a good looking girl on the street are very low if existent. Don't trust them if they say that they are ladies. They will always say what s needed for some extra $. Bars are the solution. You pay more but at least you don't have a headache afterwards.

4) On apps you can get girls but they usually ask for more money and they are complicated. You need to send a grab, they can come in 4 hours or they will not come at all. I guess in province is easier to find girls and NOT ladyboys but I'll be back with a report on that later on.

5) beware of the ladies that ask where are you staying since they know if you are in a hotel, it is less probable to be scammed like I was. In my case she asked me many times where exactly I am, in which building. If you are asked once is ok but if she insists on which building that is definitely a red flag. (in perspective I realized that 2 other girls fro, apps were asking the exact question many times, you can't get this wrong they will insist).

Overall I guess I am more experienced now but I still find it difficult to find a normal girl to have sex. It is just my 2nd day here in Manila. I'll go visit Cebu for a few days and other islands until the end of March.

I'll try my luck tonight with a 100% "she" neighbor which gave me her number because I commented on her beautiful shoes and I asked her if she goes to party tonight while we were waiting for the elevator. I can confirm this because she was as well little fatty and big titties. I am almost 100% sure that this neighbor girl is a real girl not lady boy.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3055351]Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share my experience in the first 2 days here in Makati.

I arrived Thursday the 5th around 2 pm, jetlagged and not in a good mood after 20 h of flights. I went straight outside to check the vibe. I liked the place and the tropical heat. I just wanted to find a place to get a happy end massage and to crush until Friday. It felt difficult to find a place to get a happy end massage or a nice girl that can provide that in my airbnb. Discouraged, I went back home, tried to get some rest. Unfortunately I couldn't sleep so I went outside again around 7 pm. This time my plan was to find the first massage shop and go straight and ask if they do happy endings.

Walking north on Burgos, just across the filling station there was a lady that looked slightly older (maybe 30) that told me she works for a massage place and that she can do that for 1000 for the massage room and 3000 for the happy ending BJ. I don't know why I had a feeling that she might be a lady boy and I asked her directly to which she said NO, I am a lady and that in the massage shop lady boys are not allowed to work.

Long story short, since I was hesitating she said she can do that for 2000 for BJ and 1000 massage. I said ok. At the end it turned out she was indeed a ladyboy.

I got out and I said to myself I need to be extra careful from now on even though it was a good experience overall. I went to sleep immediately and I woke up Friday after sleeping 13 h continuously.

I got the morning coffee and Tinder, bumble and pinalove firing continuously. 90% of the bumble and tinder profiles are ladyboys. Some of them are more attractive than some girls. I started asking twice and telling them to verify.

Finally around 5 pm I was waiting for a "girl" that said for 3 k will give me 2 cums. She looked attractive maybe one could have said the she might be lady boy but she confirmed twice that she is not. I told her I will kick her out if it turns out she is ladyboy. She than brought up the argument that she will show the ID at the reception so that we will know if she is a boy or a girl. I accepted, we went up in the apartment, she went straight to the bathroom and then she started to do BJ. I asked her for sex but she said no lets finish this time through BJ. I was trying to touch her intimate parts (she was naked) but she was avoiding that as well. At a point I understood that she might not be a girl afterall but she kept it hidden very well. I got up started to dress up and I asked her to leave. I took the money that I had on the table for her and I put them in my pocket. At that moment she call a guy and she / he told me to talk to her boss. I tried to tell him that she is a boy, she has a dick but he seemed he didn't understand. She started speaking very loud and asking for the money since she gave me a blowjob. In the end I told myself that it is not worth the whole circus for 3 k and I gave her the whole amount. We went downstairs an I asked the guardian what can I do in this situation and why is it that he didn't say anything about she being a lady boy. He told me I cannot do too much and even if I go to the police (since he has a picture of her ID) the police might turn against me and ask for more money since they can't get anything from her.

What I learned from this experience and I hope this will help others since I strongly believe this has happened in the past because she was too sure about how things will turn out.

1) if she comes to your place ask her to show the National ID that has the persons sex on the back of the card (male of female) and not the Financial ID card. My lady boy showed me and the guardian her financial ID which is accepted everywhere in the Philippines but doesn't have the sex. (check google for more info on national ID and financial ID in the PH).

2) On tinder and bumble there are mostly lady boys and they look very attractive, some of them better than girls.

3) on the streets in makati there are probably 90-95% lady boys. The chances for you to get a good looking girl on the street are very low if existent. Don't trust them if they say that they are ladies. They will always say what s needed for some extra $. Bars are the solution. You pay more but at least you don't have a headache afterwards.

4) On apps you can get girls but they usually ask for more money and they are complicated. You need to send a grab, they can come in 4 hours or they will not come at all. I guess in province is easier to find girls and NOT ladyboys but I'll be back with a report on that later on.

5) beware of the ladies that ask where are you staying since they know if you are in a hotel, it is less probable to be scammed like I was. In my case she asked me many times where exactly I am, in which building. If you are asked once is ok but if she insists on which building that is definitely a red flag. (in perspective I realized that 2 other girls fro, apps were asking the exact question many times, you can't get this wrong they will insist).

Overall I guess I am more experienced now but I still find it difficult to find a normal girl to have sex. It is just my 2nd day here in Manila. I'll go visit Cebu for a few days and other islands until the end of March.

I'll try my luck tonight with a 100% "she" neighbor which gave me her number because I commented on her beautiful shoes and I asked her if she goes to party tonight while we were waiting for the elevator. I can confirm this because she was as well little fatty and big titties. I am almost 100% sure that this neighbor girl is a real girl not lady boy.[/QUOTE]Brother sorry to say it, but it is very easy to spot a lady boy. They have a very unique look and look different from real girls all around the world, and also their voice is different from all the girls around the wrold. I think the problem is that you thought Filipina girls are different from other girls around the world.

Always meet outside first. Always do a videocall first. Look for short girls. Most filipinas are small. Most ladyboys are taller / larger. They are also much more aggressive. They will push to know where you are staying. They will push to come over right now. Never tell a ladyboy let alone a girl where you are staying. Never ever. Another poster made a good point about bjs. Ladyboys will want to give you a BJ, normal girls generally dislike giving bjs. They'd much rather be poked in the vag.

Don't let it ruin your vacation, everyone on this board has a ladyboy story to share.

Good luck in Manila! Hahahahah.

[QUOTE=Acvelh;3055351]Hi everyone,

Just wanted to share my experience in the first 2 days here in Makati.

I arrived Thursday the 5th around 2 pm, jetlagged and not in a good mood after 20 h of flights. I went straight outside to check the vibe. I liked the place and the tropical heat. I just wanted to find a place to get a happy end massage and to crush until Friday. It felt difficult to find a place to get a happy end massage or a nice girl that can provide that in my airbnb. Discouraged, I went back home, tried to get some rest. Unfortunately I couldn't sleep so I went outside again around 7 pm. This time my plan was to find the first massage shop and go straight and ask if they do happy endings.

Walking north on Burgos, just across the filling station there was a lady that looked slightly older (maybe 30) that told me she works for a massage place and that she can do that for 1000 for the massage room and 3000 for the happy ending BJ. I don't know why I had a feeling that she might be a lady boy and I asked her directly to which she said NO, I am a lady and that in the massage shop lady boys are not allowed to work.

Long story short, since I was hesitating she said she can do that for 2000 for BJ and 1000 massage. I said ok. At the end it turned out she was indeed a ladyboy.

I got out and I said to myself I need to be extra careful from now on even though it was a good experience overall. I went to sleep immediately and I woke up Friday after sleeping 13 h continuously.

I got the morning coffee and Tinder, bumble and pinalove firing continuously. 90% of the bumble and tinder profiles are ladyboys. Some of them are more attractive than some girls. I started asking twice and telling them to verify.

Finally around 5 pm I was waiting for a "girl" that said for 3 k will give me 2 cums. She looked attractive maybe one could have said the she might be lady boy but she confirmed twice that she is not. I told her I will kick her out if it turns out she is ladyboy. She than brought up the argument that she will show the ID at the reception so that we will know if she is a boy or a girl. I accepted, we went up in the apartment, she went straight to the bathroom and then she started to do BJ. I asked her for sex but she said no lets finish this time through BJ. I was trying to touch her intimate parts (she was naked) but she was avoiding that as well. At a point I understood that she might not be a girl afterall but she kept it hidden very well. I got up started to dress up and I asked her to leave. I took the money that I had on the table for her and I put them in my pocket. At that moment she call a guy and she / he told me to talk to her boss. I tried to tell him that she is a boy, she has a dick but he seemed he didn't understand. She started speaking very loud and asking for the money since she gave me a blowjob. In the end I told myself that it is not worth the whole circus for 3 k and I gave her the whole amount. We went downstairs an I asked the guardian what can I do in this situation and why is it that he didn't say anything about she being a lady boy. He told me I cannot do too much and even if I go to the police (since he has a picture of her ID) the police might turn against me and ask for more money since they can't get anything from her.

What I learned from this experience and I hope this will help others since I strongly believe this has happened in the past because she was too sure about how things will turn out.

1) if she comes to your place ask her to show the National ID that has the persons sex on the back of the card (male of female) and not the Financial ID card. My lady boy showed me and the guardian her financial ID which is accepted everywhere in the Philippines but doesn't have the sex. (check google for more info on national ID and financial ID in the PH).

2) On tinder and bumble there are mostly lady boys and they look very attractive, some of them better than girls.

3) on the streets in makati there are probably 90-95% lady boys. The chances for you to get a good looking girl on the street are very low if existent. Don't trust them if they say that they are ladies. They will always say what s needed for some extra $. Bars are the solution. You pay more but at least you don't have a headache afterwards.

4) On apps you can get girls but they usually ask for more money and they are complicated. You need to send a grab, they can come in 4 hours or they will not come at all. I guess in province is easier to find girls and NOT ladyboys but I'll be back with a report on that later on.

5) beware of the ladies that ask where are you staying since they know if you are in a hotel, it is less probable to be scammed like I was. In my case she asked me many times where exactly I am, in which building. If you are asked once is ok but if she insists on which building that is definitely a red flag. (in perspective I realized that 2 other girls fro, apps were asking the exact question many times, you can't get this wrong they will insist).

Overall I guess I am more experienced now but I still find it difficult to find a normal girl to have sex. It is just my 2nd day here in Manila. I'll go visit Cebu for a few days and other islands until the end of March.

I'll try my luck tonight with a 100% "she" neighbor which gave me her number because I commented on her beautiful shoes and I asked her if she goes to party tonight while we were waiting for the elevator. I can confirm this because she was as well little fatty and big titties. I am almost 100% sure that this neighbor girl is a real girl not lady boy.[/QUOTE]