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[QUOTE=Lancealot1;1173124]Quick question. What do you do if you have a lingerer who isn't really interested in leaving and wants to spend the day with you. I used the "I have work to do and it'll be boring" excuse and it didn't work. I finally broke down and told her she couldn't stay, which bummed her out. Any tips on an easy way to make a clean break.[/QUOTE]You did the right thing. Just give them the money and tell them they can go now. Runner? What the fuck is a runner? Like I have said time and time again in AC and Pattaya I have to literally put the girls out. They will try to stay until the cows come home. You just witnessed that first hand.

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1173705]You did the right thing. Just give them the money and tell them they can go now. Runner? What the fuck is a runner? Like I have said time and time again in AC and Pattaya I have to literally put the girls out. They will try to stay until the cows come home. You just witnessed that first hand.[/QUOTE]Whatever happened to me time? I remember on my first monger trip to Del Rey I picked up this girl and I was totally new and broke all the rules. Anyway worked it out for the girl to do an all nighter but I wasn't really horny because I just got done with 3 seperate girls within six hours before I met her. Well some how that played to my sexyness or something and after a long night of bar hoping and strip clubs we came back to my hotel and I was beat and wanted to sleep and I told her she could stay up and watch TV. I woke up like 5am feeling like a panic attack or something weird and she's rambling off tons of spanish like crazy and at the time I didn't know anything in spanish. I told her you have to leave and she didn't want to and start crying and throwing a tantrum and I kept giving her the money and pushing her towards the door, remember I'm feeling like I have the flu or something weird and don't want to deal with this shit. Finally I push her out the door with the $100 tucked in her arm and she rips it up into like 40 pieces and throws it on the ground. I just close the door take a shower and go to bed. The next day I realized she drank a whole bottle of rum from the open bar and was just shit faced. The next day I saw her at Del Rey and she hung out with me everyday and was cool when she was sober, she saved me a ton of money because I only hit a massage parlor once a day on top of what she was providing for me.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1173702]I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.[/QUOTE]LOL! Well at least you haven't let this event get to you.

Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.

I had planned to go to AC in a few days, but have not booked yet. I have been there several times in the past, had really great fun and wrote a number of posts here.

Now, I am reading about a number of raids and foreigners that were put into jail, etc. That's not exactly what I am looking forward to. I don't think they put you into the cell together with the girls? So being jailed (and even if it is for several hours only. Who knows in advance?) is no real fun.

I understand that some of you brave brothers are out there. Thanks, Westcoast1 for your report. I understand that there are still options available, but I would assume that the mood is somewhat depressed. Ok, I understand that you can get cheap P4P, but well, given all the other hassle. Is it worth it?

I appreciate any update on the situation. Are any bars closed? Which ones? Have you spoken to the locals? It appears that. At least in some cases. They know in advance of the raids.

According to my experience, such raids are often a kind of "wave", when some politicians are pushing, e. G. Due to elections, pressure from the US, need for money, etc. But then, the time of raids is followed by some time of calm or "ceasefire".

So, it might be that within a week or two things have normalized. But it could also be that the issues last for longer.

Any update you might have is highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance to the brave punters!

Wonderer.

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1173718]Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wonderer; 1173751]I had planned to go to AC in a few days, but have not booked yet. I have been there several times in the past, had really great fun and wrote a number of posts here.

Now, I am reading about a number of raids and foreigners that were put into jail, etc. That's not exactly what I am looking forward to. I don't think they put you into the cell together with the girls? So being jailed (and even if it is for several hours only. Who knows in advance?) is no real fun.

I understand that some of you brave brothers are out there. Thanks, Westcoast1 for your report. I understand that there are still options available, but I would assume that the mood is somewhat depressed. Ok, I understand that you can get cheap P4P, but well, given all the other hassle. Is it worth it?

I appreciate any update on the situation. Are any bars closed? Which ones? Have you spoken to the locals? It appears that. At least in some cases. They know in advance of the raids.

According to my experience, such raids are often a kind of "wave", when some politicians are pushing, e. G. Due to elections, pressure from the US, need for money, etc. But then, the time of raids is followed by some time of calm or "ceasefire".

So, it might be that within a week or two things have normalized. But it could also be that the issues last for longer.

Any update you might have is highly appreciated. Many thanks in advance to the brave punters!

Wonderer.[/QUOTE]Once the police start targeting mongers it's game over! The strategy has proved effective else where.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/south-korean-sex-workers-fight-protect-brothels-092505661.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1173757]Once the police start targeting mongers it's game over! The strategy has proved effective else where.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/south-korean-sex-workers-fight-protect-brothels-092505661.html[/url][/QUOTE]Love your title. It's a global War on Mongering and they will find and seize our Weapons of Ass Destruction.

Jokes aside, I note from the article on S. Korea

"Brothel workers and other critics say police crackdowns have unfairly targeted traditional red-light zones, while overlooking other sex businesses thriving in the shadows."

The same thing is happening in Rio, with the recent closure of the mecca Help freelancer disco and planned destruction of the massive Vila Mimosa RLD to make way for a train station. But the putas do move to other more discreet areas working in sex apartments and so forth. The WGs never quit being WGs, cause it's easy money. They just move elsewhere to places, not game over. Wouldn't AC girls do the same?

[QUOTE=Westcoast1; 1173718]Arrived in AC at 1am. Dropped my stuff and ate. Walked Fields starting near 7-11 about 2am, headed towards Blue Nile. Hit several bars. Not in the mood for fun, long flight, just drinking. Every time I mentioned the word 'barfine', I would get a telling lecture from whatever girl / waitress that 'barfine' is kind of a taboo word after the recent raids. 'EWR"? No! Some new secret word? Nope. Several bars are back to letting the girl go for "ten drinks only". When I asked how much that costs, its p1400 (Valhalla) to 1500.

In valhalla, a waitress (not bad!) asked I wanted to buy ten drinks for any of the dancers. I said I was just drinking. Then she whispered that her shift would end soon, and offered to come to my hotel for 500. If I wanted another girl she had a friend who danced at another bar and the shift just ended who would also come for 500. A waitress at Coyote Ugly called a dancer down and we chatted. Same routine, when I said no ewr tonight she offered to come over when her shift ended. I said maybe, for 500, ran thru my laundry list, including 10am. She nodded yes. When I reminded her that was less than her normal ewr pay, she said "500 better than nothing. Look no customer." And she was right, I was the only gringo.

I hit upon, or was hit upon. 6-7 SW, all offering or agreeing to 500 for ST, including 3-somes. Also several bakla.

Then, tough-guy that I am, I blew it. I let a SW chat me up outside the Blue Nile area. She called another gal for a 3-some. While waiting for the other gal, the first one felt me up, and picked my pocket clean of 2200. When the second gal showed up fugly, I walked off, not yet noticing the missing dough. About one minute later near Kok's, I found it missing. A look back up the street and the girls were gone. Boy, I showed THEM huh? Live / learn.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reporting from the frontlines! I really do appreciate it! It is clear that the mood has changed for AC, for long, it is anyones guess. I have no desire to fly into Manila, then take a long drive to AC to deal with the bad vibes. What's the point.

As for me, I will change my plans and not go to AC next month. The AC raid is total Filipino BS, espeically when you consider how many KTV bars and sex outlets there are in Manila. No reports of any raids there? I still have to stopover in Manila, but I will just stay in Manila and visit Air Force One (Flight 168 massage FS outlet) and StarFleet massage outlet, both near the airport and no raids. KTV is not my thing nor is the freelance bar there. I know of about 7 good FS massage outlets there in Manila, that is where I will be.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1173702]I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.[/QUOTE]I understand where you are coming from. But, I would just caution that you are in their country and you have very little or no rights. Especially, when you get picked up during a bar raid. The cops know yor are there to fuck women from their country, and some cops do take too kindly to that idea. Given the chance, they will kick your ass and blame it on you. I have been in a few bar raids when I visited Mexico when I was young. Being calm, cool, and respectful of the cops is the best way to get out of the situation. I have seen Americans get tough with cops in Mexico and the cops beat the crap out of them. In one well know case, a young kid was killed by the cops and the parents never found the body. I know AC is not Mexico, but it is still a shit hole country with bad cops.

[QUOTE=Undercoverh;1173776]I understand where you are coming from. But, I would just caution that you are in their country and you have very little or no rights. Especially, when you get picked up during a bar raid. The cops know yor are there to fuck women from their country, and some cops do take too kindly to that idea. Given the chance, they will kick your ass and blame it on you. I have been in a few bar raids when I visited Mexico when I was young. Being calm, cool, and respectful of the cops is the best way to get out of the situation. I have seen Americans get tough with cops in Mexico and the cops beat the crap out of them. In one well know case, a young kid was killed by the cops and the parents never found the body. I know AC is not Mexico, but it is still a shit hole country with bad cops.[/QUOTE]Yeah I'm just pissed at how wrong it is. The odds of me being caught in a raid are pretty low mainly because I'm a bar hopper just looking for trim, I don't really drink, so not much of a reason to sit in the joints. I know they supposedly know what I'm there for but they also know what the bars are there for so it really doesn't matter. Muggings and stuff don't really get to me as much as crooked cops. I was in Tijuana a couple weeks ago and there was this college kids in handcuffs outside of Hong Kong and I knew the odds of something bad happening were slim but I still stayed and watched just to make sure the cops didn't start beating the crap out of him. It turned out the argument was over $20 that he refused to pay the taxi, which the dumb ass should've got the price before the taxi even started to move. Him and his buddies were pretty drunk and not intelligent enough to realize it was their mistake so I just stepped in gave the cab driver $20 and told the guys there are about 200 virgins in that club waiting for them. They laughed and the cop uncuffed him. I would be willing to bet in the last raid had they been enough trouble (non-physical) they would have let the customers go. From the sounds of it they did and then someone said no we're taking them. Also they had a chance to run but didn't take it because they thought it would be over quickly. 19 hours is not so fast.

i would like to the pov of other guys regarding an idea i have regarding ac. as some of you know, the dollhouse groups owns the dollhouse, club atlantis, crystal palace, tropix, pony tails, baby dolls, and the asia club bar. the dg is well respected by fun lovers like me and the local government. the clubs are well run and i have never had any problems with the girls i take back to the hotel. dg will make sure they will not have any **** girls working in their clubs, since they have a lot to loose (e.g, mega investment in their clubs) over an **** girl. i really miss seeing sexy brown filipinas dancing on the stage and take out sex for around p1,500. i just cannot find that price in manila at the go-go bars. plus ac has a ton of girls to select from.

i do not think the cops would ever raid the dg clubs. thus, if go to ac next month and only visit the dg clubs, then i should have a nice time with no worry of raids. just a thought, i would like to know the pov of other guys regarding my idea, thanks.

i was talking today with someone in ac. they said the cops are looking for **** girls again. the guys who they took they thought they were bar owners who emplyed them. the girls in the bars were very young looking. had fake birth certificates and all. how true i can't definately say.

i do know, that no matter what, it can't keep up very long. tourism is what keeps this place going. if they kill it they kill the graft and payoffs they receive. my belief is there might be **** girls but more likely it is they are not getting paid. i believe there is a real slow season going on with air fares up and it being slow season anyway. sounds like somebody didn't pay because of supposed lack of funds or whatever.

now this is only a guess, but it won't stop me from visiting shortly. as it will be over with and back to where it was before. just a thought but if they wanted to close it down altogether why go after the little guys. hit the big bars and get the larger number of girls and bigger businesses.

[QUOTE=Puta Playa; 1173759]Love your title. It's a global War on Mongering and they will find and seize our Weapons of Ass Destruction.

Jokes aside, I note from the article on S. Korea

"Brothel workers and other critics say police crackdowns have unfairly targeted traditional red-light zones, while overlooking other sex businesses thriving in the shadows."

The same thing is happening in Rio, with the recent closure of the mecca Help freelancer disco and planned destruction of the massive Vila Mimosa RLD to make way for a train station. But the putas do move to other more discreet areas working in sex apartments and so forth. The WGs never quit being WGs, cause it's easy money. They just move elsewhere to places, not game over. Wouldn't AC girls do the same?[/QUOTE]Even though large tracts of Asia and many old and famous mongering grounds have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Religious Reich and all the odious apparatus of Feminist rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall monger in the Philippines, we shall monger across the seas and oceans, we shall monger with growing confidence and growing strength, we shall defend our hobby, whatever the cost may be. We shall monger on the beaches, we shall monger on the landing grounds, we shall monger in the fields and in the streets, we shall monger in the hills; we shall never surrender, and if, which I do not for a moment believe, this island or a large part of it were cleared of mongering venues, then our providers beyond the seas, would carry on the struggle.

[QUOTE=Madisonguy;1173702]I just read a report in another forum of an American who was actually grabbed in the raid in AC. I'm honestly quite pissed because I figured the few guys who may have been grabbed were doing something wrong. But no the 2 americans and 2 japanese guys were the calm type from the sounds of it. They were going to try to fine them for some kind of sex crimes but then eventually just let everyone go after 19 hours. I got to say if they pulled that shit on me they would never hear the end of it, and they let these guys call the embassy and the embassy didn't do shit. How the hell can you go to a bar and have a beer and get detained for 19 hours. I'm going to Manila tomorrow and AC in 4 days and I am not changing a single plan, I'd love to see them deal with me for 19 hours. If they have a problem with their bars close them down, don't be fucking dumb asses and detain people illegally. They made all 4 of the men sign something saying they were not harmed, I wouldn't have signed that shit. I say until you stand up to the court yard bully he's always going to be the bully. Unfortunately things won't change and raids will happen periodically until something is done about it, stupid fucking liberal stop sex trafficking shit. Fucking liberals screw up another wonderful freedom.[/QUOTE]When you are in lock up, they have ways to isolate you and force you to enjoy the 19 hours. And in the end, you will sign the no harm form or, if you are too much trouble, you just disappear.

Better to pick your battles and have fun. If you are going with the attitude of destruction and "I'm the Boss", I see you in jail or an unmarked grave.

Relax, calm down.

A plug for Phillies Restobar, corner Fields and Raymond, right on the main drag. Open-air place, live band most every night, and 8 breakfast specials each morning (ie, pancakes / sausage, or eggs / bacon, etc) for p99 and includes bottomless java. Large screen TV's. Nice.