Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2730753]A buddy from the Bay Area landed yesterday and this morning we went to a casa in centro. The cost for 1 HR was was 75 mil, and we had a lineup of 10 + girls to choose from. Sessions were good for both of us. My buddy then told me that in the greater San Francisco area, he would pay around 100 usd for one date with a 7 (starter, entrees and drinks plus tax and tips), and not guaranteed to have sex. Whereas in Medellin he just paid less than 20 bucks for 1 hour sex with a sweet girl who he would rate as a 7 as well. And he said that he would not pay that much for dates in the US anymore. He has been here for less that 24 hours and already spoiled. This experience just ruined his sex life back in America.[/QUOTE]I can't even date anymore here in Pussy Prison or US of A, and I used to be pretty damn good at it without any sense of false humility. Tell your friend I feel his pain. I will once again quote The Great One (Jackie Gleason) about how Medellin "ruins" us, "Hoooow sweet it is!" I feel certain you have already explained to your friend the solution is more frequent and longer visits to our Magical Medellin.

Random gratuitous fotos: Second foto is my Number One and let's face it, Scarlet is still Number Two, chicas. As of this past trip, now they are friends and the fun and love there in and out of the bedroom is off the charts. The fourth foto is Freckle who followed thru on her plan to get liposuction this past Monday. They sucked the fat out of her waist and stuck it in her ass. I have to admit, I am surprised how much curvier she is, and of course the swelling and the marks are even't close to being resolved yet. That is her small, smooth as glass, low mileage, tight, sweet pussy in the final foto. My penis is slightly larger than average (girth only, I am exactly at the median for length. TMI? Jajajajajajaaaa) and she has a hard time taking it, each and every time, with delicious moans of pleasure and pain.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2730753]A buddy from the Bay Area landed yesterday and this morning we went to a casa in centro. The cost for 1 HR was was 75 mil, and we had a lineup of 10 + girls to choose from. Sessions were good for both of us. My buddy then told me that in the greater San Francisco area, he would pay around 100 usd for one date with a 7 (starter, entrees and drinks plus tax and tips), and not guaranteed to have sex. Whereas in Medellin he just paid less than 20 bucks for 1 hour sex with a sweet girl who he would rate as a 7 as well. And he said that he would not pay that much for dates in the US anymore. He has been here for less that 24 hours and already spoiled. This experience just ruined his sex life back in America.[/QUOTE]$100 likely on the low end for a first date in expensive area like SF, especially if you have drinks!

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730482]All iPhones in this discussion are the latest Pro Models available.

Get back to me when you have felt 1/1000 of this pain, jajajaja.

Chica's phone gets stolen in El Centro while she is sitting in a taxi, using her phone, window down, door unlocked, and probably the taxi driver was in on it. .......She does and you do, to the day. She drops the iPhone two weeks after you bought it for off the new Moto she was riding that you also paid for. You repair the iPhone for her at 600.000 mil COP.

That's one reason I hate Apple, repair costs are egregious.

...... You tell her if she can hold onto the Motorola for one year, you will buy her another iPhone. She does, and you buy her an iPhone Pro13. One week later she gets robbed at knifepoint to eyeball, and you replace it with another same, iPhone that she still has but now she is not talking to you anymore for other reasons.

Different chica, robbed at gunpoint while she sitting in a taxi and using her iPhone that you bought for her. .....You buy her another iPhone. Less than a month later, she gets robbed and beat up in front of her apartment in Castilla by another chica for her iPhone. You tell her that her iPhone days are over. Two months later you buy her a used iPhone from one of her friends that she still has.

Same Moto chica from above, shows you her new iPhone that her rich novio from the Domincan Republic bought her. .......Now she has two iPhone Pro13's..[/QUOTE]With all due respect, why in God's name are you buying chica's iPhone 13's? Particularly those who live in rough areas, are young, and most likely absent minded?

Secondly, have you considered getting insurance on any of these phones? Even if the rate is half the phone value per month it'd be worth it in your case jajaja!

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730596]Once I start networking, I am going to have the La Isla girls staying for longer. They are going to be in a nice room, good bed, shower in hot water, have a functioning thermostat, sunning themselves by the pool, and pigging out on the free breakfast. A lot of the women do not want to go back to their shitty tiny apartments.[/QUOTE]A lot of mongers assume that. Probably because they are on vacation and it is a treat for them. But those chicks see those places all the time so it is nothing new or amazing to them.

Home is always home no matter how shitty it may seem to someone else. If you went to work all day, then after work somebody invited you to a nice hotel to sunbathe and pig out, you may dig doing that a couple of times. But after about the third time you will be like fuck that, I just want to go home.

So if you think a chick is all excited to do that for the 1000th time, they are really not.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2730776]With all due respect, why in God's name are you buying chica's iPhone 13's? Particularly those who live in rough areas, are young, and most likely absent minded?

Secondly, have you considered getting insurance on any of these phones? Even if the rate is half the phone value per month it'd be worth it in your case jajaja![/QUOTE]I honestly don't care about the look it gives me. What I really feel inside is that it is more of a social experiment, for me, about changing the chicas' behaviors, although the smart money would be on changing my behavior instead, jajajajaja. . So far, I have failed although as of late there have been small signs of progress, with the chicas that is.

I like your suggestion for phone insurance and that thought never occurred to me. Thank you.

[QUOTE=ElPoblado;2730412]Hey gents,

I've been really enjoying reading the posts under this thread. The info here will help me with my time in Medellin. I was wondering if some of the most frequent posters would be interested in starting new threads under "Colombia" to share your mongering journey. This thread should be more "report" focused in my opinion. Just a thought, what you all think?[/QUOTE]If you want to hear about the 'journey' I suggest you just offer to buy a guy a coffee or beer. You can search by poster and follow as well. No one story is alike although there are a handful of different buckets that guys typically fall into (I. E. Retired set income, ex-military, baller crowd, etc.). And we all of course love Latinas!

[QUOTE=ElPoblado;2730412]Hey gents,

I've been really enjoying reading the posts under this thread. The info here will help me with my time in Medellin. I was wondering if some of the most frequent posters would be interested in starting new threads under "Colombia" to share your mongering journey. This thread should be more "report" focused in my opinion. Just a thought, what you all think?[/QUOTE]Suggestions are always welcome but we have already seen this play out in the Costa Del Sol thread. There is some bad blood in there that resulted in separate threads for Club activity and non club activity. This is decidedly lame. Having to visit both threads. And people saying go see the other one.

I'the say any OT discussions in here you can just ignore. Keep it simple. One Medellin primary thread IMO.

I'm a regular poster / reader of the USGA site, but my first time on here. 4 of us are headed to Medellin, and from what I've heard, there exists concierge or hosts who will drop off girls at your AirBnb in the evening and pick them up in the morning. Does this sound like it's an option? Are any of you familiar with any reliable hosts that provide this service? Thanks in advance!! Will be sure to report back, in detail, about my experience!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730778]A lot of mongers assume that. Probably because they are on vacation and it is a treat for them. But those chicks see those places all the time so it is nothing new or amazing to them.

Home is always home no matter how shitty it may seem to someone else. If you went to work all day, then after work somebody invited you to a nice hotel to sunbathe and pig out, you may dig doing that a couple of times. But after about the third time you will be like fuck that, I just want to go home.

So if you think a chick is all excited to do that for the 1000th time, they are really not.[/QUOTE]I agree with this point. If you're working at your building and everything is really nice, you're still working and you rather go home and relax by yourself in your own place. You are giving yourself too much credit. Some girl sees it as having to spend more time with an ugly old man who is constantly touching her and wanting more sex as opposed to relaxing at home in your bed by yourself with some peace and quiet. It is a treat for them if you're not in the hotel room and they have it to yourselves and can invite their friends. Ja ja ja.

There is some case for it in the Philippines where the girls are dirt poor and don't even have a toilet inside the house. But in Colombia, they are poor but as poor as the girls in the Philippines.

Hello,

I am new I want to visit Colombia but I am worried about safety and wanted to ask a few general questions.

1. How safe is Medellin in the day time and at night. Like should you never venture out at night at all or stick to certain areas? And which ones.

2. I know you can meet girls at bars and clubs like the strip bars and basic clubs. Can you basically just take any girl from a club and nicely ask her to go out or are.

Some more picky than others.

3. How likely are you to be poisoned it's hard to cut through the fear mongering fake news media, but what would you say how normally is this happening and does it happen less.

In Medellin than Bogota.

4. Should I even go to Bogota at all I hear it's rough.

5. How do you get from Bogota to Medellin when you fly in.

I know that was a lot but I would be real appreciative if you had some time to answer my questions.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730778]A lot of mongers assume that. Probably because they are on vacation and it is a treat for them. But those chicks see those places all the time so it is nothing new or amazing to them.

Home is always home no matter how shitty it may seem to someone else. If you went to work all day, then after work somebody invited you to a nice hotel to sunbathe and pig out, you may dig doing that a couple of times. But after about the third time you will be like fuck that, I just want to go home.

So if you think a chick is all excited to do that for the 1000th time, they are really not.[/QUOTE]Usually it doesn't even take the third time, but at the end of most sessions, chicas would prefer to be in their own familiar environs. Of course, more money can easily shape that behavior which is why it obviously costs more money to spend a night with a chica than spend an hour in her company, if you are paying.

That is ego projection on the part of the mongerer onto the value system of the chica, believing the chicas are happier away from home just because the digs are nicer. Even when I had the corner deluxe Executive Suite at the Dorado, the chicas loved to show up and hang, but in the end, they preferred their little cramped puta motel, sharing a double bed with another chica perhaps, just like Freckle and the Little One.

You said it exactly right, for them, and all of us, home base is home base. We all want familiarity and to be able to reach out and touch or material possessions, large or small, at will.

The really fun part can be when you go to their hotel instead and squeeze in between them, jajajaja. But in the end, I had the same feeling and would want to return to my home base, no matter how hot the sex. One reason the set-up was so purrfekt with Freckle and the Little One in the foto, our hotels were a five minute walk apart.

Side note, admin apparently felt that need to intervene and not post a response I made earlier about not reading Elvis' itemized repsonse to me, especially when I specifically asked him to please not respond. That is his prerogative of course. But as I previously stated, I am simply documenting experiences for other users who can make up their own minds based on the information provided and not trying to change anyone's opinion who already has their way of doing things. The pitfall is when users have a need to share their way of mongering as the preferred way of mongering for everyone. That holds no interest for me and basically invalidates their viewpoint.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2730796]Suggestions are always welcome but we have already seen this play out in the Costa Del Sol thread. There is some bad blood in there that resulted in separate threads for Club activity and non club activity. This is decidedly lame. Having to visit both threads. And people saying go see the other one.

I'the say any OT discussions in here you can just ignore. Keep it simple. One Medellin primary thread IMO.[/QUOTE]What I would find more useful is having a separate section for El Centro. A lot of posts here are related to that specific area in particular, and at times having to glance through so many posts and skip until finding some for El Poblado or Laureles can be time consuming. I speak as someone who looks for a different environment than El Centro. It would simplify understanding when someone reports about hotels or girls where they are found easily.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2730874]What I would find more useful is having a separate section for El Centro. A lot of posts here are related to that specific area in particular, and at times having to glance through so many posts and skip until finding some for El Poblado or Laureles can be time consuming. I speak as someone who looks for a different environment than El Centro. It would simplify understanding when someone reports about hotels or girls where they are found easily.[/QUOTE]Interesting suggestion. Respect your right to choose. Oh wait, I think you simply unintentionally dangled your modifier, grammatically speaking. You meant the kind of posts you want to see would be more easily found here, I think.

The way you wrote it one could construe that you meant girls were not easily found in El Centro, and I was going to say, you've got to be kidding me, jajajaa. Regardless of yours or anyone's opinion of the quality of the chicas there, Finding them is definitely not the issue, jajajaja. Carry on.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730587]Depends on your relationships with said chicas... Did you happen to just read my previous post about how much money I have wasted on iPhones? You could argue I was gullible, stupid, whatever, I don't care. But I can tell you, I wasn't in any "danger" at any point. Nor was I trying to impress anyone so maybe that's to your point, a little. I was simply trying to make a few chicas happy. Money = Love. .[/QUOTE]How do you know you weren't in danger? Also money doesn't = love, and buying them IPhone 13's as you claim means that they are laughing at you behind your back. That's the relationship you have with these chicas.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2730874]at times having to glance through so many posts and skip until finding some for El Poblado or Laureles can be time consuming.[/QUOTE]That is because nothing is going on in Poblado. Parque Lleras, Gustos, Facebook are all you need to know for that place. Laureles? Look on mileroticos and find some chick where you can walk to her apartment.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730778]A lot of mongers assume that. Probably because they are on vacation and it is a treat for them. But those chicks see those places all the time so it is nothing new or amazing to them.

Home is always home no matter how shitty it may seem to someone else. If you went to work all day, then after work somebody invited you to a nice hotel to sunbathe and pig out, you may dig doing that a couple of times. But after about the third time you will be like fuck that, I just want to go home.

So if you think a chick is all excited to do that for the 1000th time, they are really not.[/QUOTE]Not even three times. The chicas as a general rule much prefer their own digs. As we all do, where we can reach out and touch our material shit with familiarity, comforted by its presence. Even when I had the corner Executive Suite at the Dorado, the girls loved being there, but in the end, they all want to return to their home base. Money of course, being the modifier and why you pay more for an overnight than you do for two hours, obvio.

Even if returning to home base meant a small, cramped room in a puta motel and sharing a full bed with another chica, that will invariably be the chicas first choice. To wit, fotos of Freckle and the Little One in their room. The flip side to that coin, visiting them and climbing into that bed in between them, draped all over each other, was delicious and loving. Still, I would reach a point no matter how good the sex, when I would want to return home and I am sure they were just as glad to see me go. The saving grace? Our two hotels were a five minute walk apart. Loved it.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2730806]Hello,

I am new I want to visit Colombia but I am worried about safety and wanted to ask a few general questions.

1. How safe is Medellin in the day time and at night. Like should you never venture out at night at all or stick to certain areas? And which ones.

2. I know you can meet girls at bars and clubs like the strip bars and basic clubs. Can you basically just take any girl from a club and nicely ask her to go out or are.

Some more picky than others.

3. How likely are you to be poisoned it's hard to cut through the fear mongering fake news media, but what would you say how normally is this happening and does it happen less.


In Medellin than Bogota.

4. Should I even go to Bogota at all I hear it's rough.

5. How do you get from Bogota to Medellin when you fly in.

I know that was a lot but I would be real appreciative if you had some time to answer my questions.[/QUOTE]Stay home and study Spanish. Preferably for about two more years, jajaja.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2730874]What I would find more useful is having a separate section for El Centro. A lot of posts here are related to that specific area in particular, and at times having to glance through so many posts and skip until finding some for El Poblado or Laureles can be time consuming. I speak as someone who looks for a different environment than El Centro. It would simplify understanding when someone reports about hotels or girls where they are found easily.[/QUOTE]What you bring up about a separate section for Centro does make sense, but before the Pandemic, no, as it wasn't frequented as much as it is now.

The same holds true for Fayboo Chicas as well. I can remember before the Pandemic that at times there would be a lot of Fayboo posts you would have to go thru as your mentioning.

Colombia has gotten so popular, especially Medellin, that some new categories are warranted at least in my opinion being a poster here for several years.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730596]I am not sure who said that is not possible. I like the price discovery and honesty about pricing though.

No, you are missing the point. If I go to El Centro or Santa Fe, I have to go five times to find one woman I have to repeat with. If I go to La Isla, it is at least one girl per visit. Centro makes sense if I am staying six months or if I do not care about quality. If I am staying a week or so and care about quality, La Isla makes way more sense.

Of course, it does. Guys calculate costs when comparing the USA, Canada, Mexico, Europe, Asia, and Colombia. You are dreaming if you do not think that competition exists.

And they are not sniffers? But snorters? Do you think that matters to a lot of guys? Can you see how guys might not want to deal with that crap? How much does that add per visit? I would not call someone who snorts Tussi "clean". And if the women are doing that, how about shooting up and sharing needles? How can you be sure they are not doing that?

Osteo, you fucked that girl with that nasty ass rash. Twice I was with barrio girls with nasty rashes too. Once I told the gal to forget it, and the other I just got a covered BJ and did as little as I could to touch her. I doubt La Isla is going to have women working with rashes like I saw with your woman and those I saw.

Then there is the scopalamine. Oh yeah, that happened to you and to Paulie and a bunch of other guys. Has that happened at La Isla? Is it fair to say it is less likely to happen there? Management will kick anyone's ass who tries that shit. It would cost them money.

As one guy says, he has points at a hotel and so do I. I can stay a week in Medellin on my points. If the going rate is $90 for centro and $230 for La Isla, that is offset by the hotel costs but there is more to it. Once I start networking, I am going to have the La Isla girls staying for longer. They are going to be in a nice room, good bed, shower in hot water, have a functioning thermostat, sunning themselves by the pool, and pigging out on the free breakfast. A lot of the women do not want to go back to their shitty tiny apartments.

So if you add it all up: the time, the Tussi, the scopalamine, the health of the women, the quality of where you are staying, the women wanting to stay at the nice hotel, and the benefit of the hotel points, there really is not a $140 difference between La Isla woman and centro girls. It is way less than that.

And even if there was, the difference over 7 days is $980. That is less than one hour with the hot girl I linked to in the USA. Do you think $980 then matters to a lot of guys? Someone is paying that $1000 an hour. Even the fat pigs are charging $400 an hour in the USA.

If you are there 6 months like you are, that is tens of thousands. It makes sense to invest in Centro and collect a rolodex of hotties. I do not think if you are there a week it does make sense to do Centro unless you want to fuck five women a day. Maybe a guy goes once as a novelty.

I appreciate your being honest about what you pay and the looks of women you are fucking, but other guys have not been honest. It is really hard to know that a woman with a 22 inch waist is going to be in more demand than a woman at 40 inches?

These guys are not being helpful. They are bullying. They are jealous of guys getting better pussy than they are. The excuse they use is the week long warriors are driving up prices, but they are not going to Centro. The prices there are set by locals not foreigners.

I thought I was way overpaying when I went to Colombia. $90 a night for the quality of women you were fucking is about what I was seeing Osteo.[/QUOTE]While I agree with a lot of your points a couple things that I happen to know for a fact.

A. I think you're putting these La Isla girls on a pedestal. There use to be consistent talent there but last few times I went it wasn't great at all. I personally know a couple of girls and that leads me to point B.

Be. Girls in La isla will not hesitate to drug you and I know of girls that have done it.

The point is you can be drugged anywhere anytime in Colombia.

But I do agree that people who consistently post that others are driving up the price are completely delusional.

Regardless of who pays what, the girls still know how much guys pay in different countries.

And if the statement that the weekend warriors are ruining it were true, then you wouldn't see so many prepagos going to Europe or DR to work. But obviously the money is not there which is why so many go abroad to work.

The min salary might be 300 usd in Colombia but guess what?? IPhones still cost the same universally along with all the other vain necessities of an average 20 something year old girl.

Also I think it's a mistake many mongers make thinking because they're in a nice hotel they're doing these girls a favor.

No matter what home is home. And that's where these girls are comfortable until you build some sort of trust and they actually want to spend time with you.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2730898]And if the statement that the weekend warriors are ruining it were true, then you wouldn't see so many prepagos going to Europe or DR to work. But obviously the money is not there which is why so many go abroad to work.
[/QUOTE]The money may be there, but they may have big eyes. That is not a hooker thing; that is a people thing. People have big dreams. They figure the grass must be greener on the other side. 9 times out of 10 they find out the juice is just not worth the squeeze. I do applaud them for venturing out though, because you do not know if you do not try.

I could stay here a long time talking about the stories of people I know that went off to a foreign country in search of better; hookers and non-hookers alike. Some have ended up in jail for a while. Some have made a better life for themselves. Some have ended back up at square one with a different outlook than when they first decided to try their luck.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2730878]How do you know you weren't in danger? Also money doesn't = love, and buying them IPhone 13's as you claim means that they are laughing at you behind your back. That's the relationship you have with these chicas.[/QUOTE]Thank you for playing and for your valuable insights to my relationships with my chicas. That means a lot to me and I will be sure to alter my behaviors accordingly. Don't forget to take your meds.

Maybe there should be another subsection for dick pics. But seriously, a separate section isn't a bad thing. I think it was about 10 years ago that a section was created for the Mansion when guys started arguing about the place.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2730874]What I would find more useful is having a separate section for El Centro. A lot of posts here are related to that specific area in particular, and at times having to glance through so many posts and skip until finding some for El Poblado or Laureles can be time consuming. I speak as someone who looks for a different environment than El Centro. It would simplify understanding when someone reports about hotels or girls where they are found easily.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730575]Let's celebrate finally getting my new Google Pixis 6 phone that was supposed to be here three days ago. I am digital again! The one effect I did not anticipate before my phone arrived was the amount of financial paralysis due to not being able to receive confirmation codes via SMS messaging without a phone and my old phone number. Maddening!

Ten more fotos of not-so-random chicas who will give you overnight GFE (GirlFriend Experience) for 300 mil COP, plus propina (tip) for good service, plus taxi, grand total under $90 USD. When I say "will", that doesn't mean you are supposed to PM me for their contact info. I don't do that for guys I don't know and even the ones I do, I am very selective.

There is not one dud in this bunch. If the chicas in this array cannot put a tingle in your dingle, well I got new for your miss amigos, that is your problema and not theirs![/QUOTE]This is what I thought when I saw the skinny white beauty.

Keep the jokes coming and they can keep laughing at me all they want if that's what you call this kinda fun, jajajaa. I can live with that. Feel the love.

There are a couple of fotos in there you might want to blow-up a little.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2730806]Hello,

I am new I want to visit Colombia but I am worried about safety and wanted to ask a few general questions.

1. How safe is Medellin in the day time and at night. Like should you never venture out at night at all or stick to certain areas? And which ones.

2. I know you can meet girls at bars and clubs like the strip bars and basic clubs. Can you basically just take any girl from a club and nicely ask her to go out or are.

Some more picky than others.

3. How likely are you to be poisoned it's hard to cut through the fear mongering fake news media, but what would you say how normally is this happening and does it happen less.

In Medellin than Bogota.

4. Should I even go to Bogota at all I hear it's rough.

5. How do you get from Bogota to Medellin when you fly in.

I know that was a lot but I would be real appreciative if you had some time to answer my questions.[/QUOTE]Definitely stay home.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2730897]What you bring up about a separate section for Centro does make sense, but before the Pandemic, no, as it wasn't frequented as much as it is now.

The same holds true for Fayboo Chicas as well. I can remember before the Pandemic that at times there would be a lot of Fayboo posts you would have to go thru as your mentioning.

Colombia has gotten so popular, especially Medellin, that some new categories are warranted at least in my opinion being a poster here for several years.[/QUOTE]You guys do know you can start threads, right? You are aware you can start whatever new categories you deem necessary?

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2730898]While I agree with a lot of your points a couple things that I happen to know for a fact.

A. I think you're putting these La Isla girls on a pedestal. There use to be consistent talent there but last few times I went it wasn't great at all. I personally know a couple of girls and that leads me to point B.

Be. Girls in La isla will not hesitate to drug you and I know of girls that have done it.

The point is you can be drugged anywhere anytime in Colombia.

But I do agree that people who consistently post that others are driving up the price are completely delusional.

Regardless of who pays what, the girls still know how much guys pay in different countries.

And if the statement that the weekend warriors are ruining it were true, then you wouldn't see so many prepagos going to Europe or DR to work. But obviously the money is not there which is why so many go abroad to work.

The min salary might be 300 usd in Colombia but guess what?? IPhones still cost the same universally along with all the other vain necessities of an average 20 something year old girl.

Also I think it's a mistake many mongers make thinking because they're in a nice hotel they're doing these girls a favor.

No matter what home is home. And that's where these girls are comfortable until you build some sort of trust and they actually want to spend time with you.[/QUOTE]I'm new so I really can't say much but I'm early 30's no kids. I live in LA and rent a room only 550 a month. After staying in Tijuana like a noob for a week in a luxury hotel I can tell you I came home thinking how do I even live in this shithole. So while the point about home is taken, I think it does matter to a certain extent but obviously a nice place won't automatically get a girl to fall in love with you. Especially if they go there a lot, but given the supply and demand ratio in Colombia I'm guessing they don't go every day. By comparison, I have had crab hundreds of times, that doesn't mean crab isn't one of my favorite foods just because it is subject to diminishing returns because I've had it a lot.

What do you think about the Mansion? Is it really pussy central?

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730754]
The yield on phones, the appreciation factor, is close to taking a woman shopping, about zero. So if you want to get a woman a phone, definitely get the low end: Pixel, Samsung older mid range models, or the newer Motos. If you go on Amazon, you can get these for less than $200 and often close to $100.

Outside of getting some hot pics and being able to reach your chica more easily (maybe), you are going to get nothing in return. Buying a phone is a gift plain and simple. If you paid $500 a phone, do not think you are going to get $500 of appreciation or $500 worth of action. It does not work that way. It should, but it does not. For the most part, giving away a phone is a waste of money.[/QUOTE]Guys buying new "I" phones for Chica's, or even new phones for them is such a waste of money, but some guys here do it which is astonishing.

A better option is to buy a used phone from the street, with prices starting as low as 80,000 COP for a smart phone and up. Granted these phones are stolen, which I don't condone, but there are a lot of vendors, especially directly under the Metro overpass just up from Hotel Nutibarra. There will be vendors with folding tables, and a selection of phones. They of course don't have any chargers for the phones because as you can imagine they are all stolen. Hence you hear about all the phones being stolen in Central, someone steals a phone, show's up where the street vendors are, and the vendors know all the values of the phones, so perhaps they give the thief 1/3 to 1/2 the value of the phone.

When I went there with a Chica who was buying a phone, they would fire the phones up, and all of the former owner's Whatsapp contacts and everything else would pop up. She bought a smart phone for 120,000 COP and then got a new SIM Card and a charger at a shop nearby, and loaded up the phone with a week of data, and basically was out the door at about 150,000 COP, less than $ 50 USD and perhaps the only value is being able to contact the Chica (maybe as you mention).

Granted most guy's here are not going to be buying used phones off the street, but it is an option if a Chica asks a guy to buy her a phone, one might suggest she buy a used one off the street.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2730778]

Home is always home no matter how shitty it may seem to someone else. If you went to work all day, then after work somebody invited you to a nice hotel to sunbathe and pig out, you may dig doing that a couple of times. But after about the third time you will be like fuck that, I just want to go home.

So if you think a chick is all excited to do that for the 1000th time, they are really not.[/QUOTE]No matter how nice a guy's digs are, regardless of how fancy the place is, and the amenities, I think a lot of times the girls just don't want to spend any more time with a guy.

Imagine being a young twenty something with someone twice to three times your age, and perhaps fat and smelly, hence in many cases it won't be because they want to go home, but they want to get away from the guy after being paid.

Perhaps we are saying the same thing Mr. E.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2730878]How do you know you weren't in danger? Also money doesn't = love, and buying them IPhone 13's as you claim means that they are laughing at you behind your back. That's the relationship you have with these chicas.[/QUOTE]I think everyone here has been played by Chicas to a certain degree.

I have, but not to the tune of anything approaching the value of a new "I" phone, and on a much smaller scale.

And there are lot's of Chica's who are very good at extracting things from guy's who think with their small heads.

As far as laughing at guy's, well besides this, they are also boasting about what they got to their girlfriends and boyfriends.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2731022]What do you think about the Mansion? Is it really pussy central?[/QUOTE]In answer to your second question, no.

Your first question is more complicated.

The Mansion is a great place, for some people. Most of the people who will tell you bad things about it have never been there. For a certain style of mongering it is perfect. For other mongering styles it's a waste of money.

If you have never been to Medellin, never mongered solo in a foreign country, don't speak Spanish and aren't the adventurous type, you will probably be very happy with the Mansion.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730482]All iPhones in this discussion are the latest Pro Models available.

Get back to me when you have felt 1/1000 of this pain, jajajaja.

Chica's phone gets stolen in El Centro while she is sitting in a taxi, using her phone, window down, door unlocked, and probably the taxi driver was in on it. You buy her a "cheap" Samsung for 400 mil COP and tell her if she can hang onto it for one year, you will buy her an iPhone. She does and you do, to the day. She drops the iPhone two weeks after you bought it for off the new Moto she was riding that you also paid for. You repair the iPhone for her at 600.000 mil COP.

That's one reason I hate Apple, repair costs are egregious.

Different chica rolled-up on by two guys on a motorcycle while she sits at Boston Park holding her infant child, and rob her at gunpoint of her iPhone, you replace it with a nice Motorola that costs half a million pesos. You tell her if she can hold onto the Motorola for one year, you will buy her another iPhone. She does, and you buy her an iPhone Pro13. One week later she gets robbed at knifepoint to eyeball, and you replace it with another same, iPhone that she still has but now she is not talking to you anymore for other reasons.

Different chica, robbed at gunpoint while she sitting in a taxi and using her iPhone that you bought for her. You have told her twenty times not to pull out her phone when she is in a taxi but she is oblivious to this advice. You buy her another iPhone. Less than a month later, she gets robbed and beat up in front of her apartment in Castilla by another chica for her iPhone. You tell her that her iPhone days are over. Two months later you buy her a used iPhone from one of her friends that she still has.

Same Moto chica from above, shows you her new iPhone that her rich novio from the Domincan Republic bought her. Now she has two iPhone Pro13's. You suggest it might be decent of her to return the iPhone you bought her to you since your old Samsung got stolen by an irate tranny at Ground Zero, and you are using a cheap burner phone that cost 1/10 of what you paid for her iPhone. She says she will sell you the iPhone that you bought for her for what amounted to a 5% discount, jaja.

Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. I did not add up how many phones that comes to, jajaja. Not a good look for me, makes me look like a dumb shit, valid argument about which I happen to not agree. I don't care what other people think.

Oh, you should also realize the chicas don't really give a shit about the phone. They want the best camera on the market, that happens to be a phone.

I know what some of you are thinking (usually several steps ahead). The chicas were making up some of these stories to get phones. For every one of those stories above, multiply it by 10-15 for the number of times chicas tried to get phones out of me, but didn't. So I am not quite as gullible as you may think. Perception is reality and for reasons I won't expand upon, I believed those stories above.

The main point being, beware, it really is a jungle out there for stealing the upper branded phones, particularly, iPhones.

Pearl: From a distance the thieves are looking at the number and size of the lenses on the back of the phone to identify the iPhones for their targets. They make escutcheons or phone cases that have little sliding covers that will hide these lenses that I recommend using.

Ostee Out, and I will as always, Keep On Keepin' On.[/QUOTE]You seem to be a magnet for robberies.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731082]You seem to be a magnet for robberies.[/QUOTE]Considering I was not present at the scene of any of the crimes. Maybe you meant more like a "jinx", eh?

There was a lesson there independent of my own behaviors. I sort of summed it up at the end, including a useful Pearl.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730596]...No, you are missing the point. If I go to El Centro or Santa Fe, I have to go five times to find one woman I have to repeat with. ...[/QUOTE]Not that what you said is not true, but you are probably doing it wrong if you go 5 times to find one.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730596]...I would not call someone who snorts Tussi "clean". And if the women are doing that ...[/QUOTE]You don't really know if a woman is doing it or not until you put it in front of her. That is when you can tell.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730596]...It is really hard to know that a woman with a 22 inch waist is going to be in more demand than a woman at 40 inches?...[/QUOTE]Narrower is not better. It depends. I went to La Isla with locals and they don't pull the ones with narrower waist. I see similar behavior at Scandallo. But if all customers are gringos, what you said can be true.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2730940]...Especially if they go there a lot, but given the supply and demand ratio in Colombia I'm guessing they don't go every day. By comparison, I have had crab hundreds of times, that doesn't mean crab isn't one of my favorite foods just because it is subject to diminishing returns because I've had it a lot.[/QUOTE]I have known a girl that shower at home before visiting me when we first met, and coming out of the bathroom all dressed up ready to leave when done. After a while, she started to always shower at my place, twice, before and after. She told me "you have hot shower".

[QUOTE=Arthur62;2730931]This is what I thought when I saw the skinny white beauty.[/QUOTE]Very hard to pin down, but when you do, heaven on Earth. And a "lah-dee-dah" easy-going, whatever floats your boat, attitude. A lot of times stoned out of her mind. Easy to handle. She bailed on me in the middle of the night last time I had her for an overnight, appropriately accepted a greatly reduced rate of 200 mil COP, haven't seen or talked to her since, didn't try, either. Let me see if I can find a couple more fotos, she is definitely unique.

She's the one in the blue jeans, and that is Secret, her pimp who first brought her to me. The second foto is hilarious, that day we called her Zombie Girl as she was walking around for a long time with that look on her face. I laid her down on the bed and started fucking her face until she passed out. The Nervous Ninnies here don't have to worry, I get permission from all my chicas to use their bodies as I please whether they or concious or not. Doesn't happy very often but when it does, it's a good fallback and I recommend you broach the subject with any girl who drinks or does drugs ahead of time. BTW, they love it being objectified and used like that, and let's face, they aren't working too hard at the time, jajajjaja.

Anywho, unfortunately she still had a gag reflex and I may have been just a tad to aggressive or her throat because she starteled awake, ran into my bathroom, and threw up all over the floor. Didn't stop us.

All men are pigs. I am a man. Therefore, I am a pig.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2730924]Maybe there should be another subsection for dick pics. But seriously, a separate section isn't a bad thing. I think it was about 10 years ago that a section was created for the Mansion when guys started arguing about the place.[/QUOTE]Seen a few dick banging pussy and mouth pics, is that what you meant Oh, Wise One? Funny what certain people fixate on.

You may want to consider enhancing your experience with a feature here known as the Ignore List.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731083]Considering I was not present at the scene of any of the crimes. Maybe you meant more like a "jinx", eh?

There was a lesson there independent of my own behaviors. I sort of summed it up at the end, including a useful Pearl.[/QUOTE]The robbery started when you kept buying them phones.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731101]The robbery started when you kept buying them phones.[/QUOTE]I admit it sounds outlandish, mostly from guys projecting themselves into my situation. Saying it's a "waste" or some other value judgement is irrelevant, unless the poster is speaking for himself only. I would do it all again, but I have slowed the pace a bit, jajajaja. I get it, very hard for other guys to relate to a situation they would never consider, or just as, if not more likely, be able to complete even if they wanted to do so. Not saying you do.

The first step in psychologically protecting one's sense of self, is to reject concepts and behaviors that are too foreign for to conceptualize into one's own thought processes. That is mostly what is going on here, and not any real harm or waste or bad behavior.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2730897]What you bring up about a separate section for Centro does make sense, but before the Pandemic, no, as it wasn't frequented as much as it is now.

The same holds true for Fayboo Chicas as well. I can remember before the Pandemic that at times there would be a lot of Fayboo posts you would have to go thru as your mentioning.

Colombia has gotten so popular, especially Medellin, that some new categories are warranted at least in my opinion being a poster here for several years.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Huacho;2730937]You guys do know you can start threads, right? You are aware you can start whatever new categories you deem necessary?[/QUOTE]As someone who has started a new thread I think most new threads started by BMs end up in the User Blog section and the one who started it is somewhat responisible for moderating it from then on. The Admin will still watch for blatent violations of Forum Rules but other than that it would be up to the user who started it to police the thread from being hijacked for purposes other than intended or start a discussion in the thread that widely off topic and ruins the idea of having the thread for purposes of being specific.

I have been reading the Medellin Reports thread for a few years and I have seen more Centro regulars call for a Fayboo thread because they do not want to read about Fayboo but then there are those who do only Fayboo who would want a Centro only thread. I have only been to centro a couple of times myself and since having knee surgury that made my knee worse I prefer to order off FB and have them come to my apartment.

But of the people who post regularly on here I think there really are more people who do both. Centro and Fayboo. So sometime a person's "Medellin Report" is going to be a mix that might read something like this "in the morning I went down to centro and this happen but in the evening I went to a strip club and did not see anything I liked so I went on FB and found something".

So while there seems to be people who start narrowing thier mongering method to either Centro or Fayboo and want the thread to be more specific for them but I really think there are actually more people who do both that make the thread what it is now.

If I was going to complain about anything (you know when someone says that they are about to complain LOL) concering this thread and I am just as guilty my self about this: experienced mongers stop doing reports. They instead get caught up about the details and stop describing the big picture stuff. Osteoknot might be the exception because he keeps a running diary on here LOL. But we get so caught up over the issues that we stop actually posting a report. I am just as guilty and the result is that the newest guys who are stumbling through their experience and learning as they go are the ones making the most actual "reports".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2731070]they are also boasting about what they got to their girlfriends and boyfriends.[/QUOTE]If by laughing you mean the chicas are happy, yes, I agree. And of course they boast, They are young girls in the middle of dream fulfillment. Geez, you guys make it sound so serious, when really, it's not.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2731065]Perhaps we are saying the same thing Mr. E.[/QUOTE]You repeatedly get "powned" (that means pounded and owned at the same time) by reading comprehension here. Not so serious unless you hold yourself to the standard of a subject matter expert, then it gets a little dicey.

I don't. I am more of a sarcastic, attention who-ring, asshole, very comfortable with that.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2730754]The yield on phones, the appreciation factor, is close to taking a woman shopping, about zero.
If you paid $500 a phone, do not think you are going to get $500 of appreciation or $500 worth of action. It does not work that way. It should, but it does not. For the most part, giving away a phone is a waste of money.[/QUOTE]They already see you as rich and to them you buying a phone is as simple and easy as you buying lunch. One chick stopped messing with me because she wanted me to buy her a Galaxy Note the same as I have so she could take pictures in the water like I was doing when were at the beach. All I could do was laugh. Might as well have asked me to buy her a car if she is going to ask for a $1500 phone.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2731022]What do you think about the Mansion? Is it really pussy central?[/QUOTE]Kind of like Blackbeards in the DR. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. No chase, no accomplishment. Then you have to rest up for another. Like ordering a fish dinner in a restaurant instead of catching the fish and dominating it until it wears out its fight. Most of the girls at the mansion have fake tities, some are older, most are there because they make money. Not real. An illusion.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730935]Keep the jokes coming and they can keep laughing at me all they want if that's what you call this kinda fun, jajajaa. I can live with that. Feel the love.

There are a couple of fotos in there you might want to blow-up a little.[/QUOTE]Did you find all these chicas on the streets of Centro?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2731176]Did you find all these chicas on the streets of Centro?[/QUOTE]No. None of those girls are El Centro chicas. If I was misleading, it was not intentional. Those are chicas I met on my own, starting with my Numero Uno Catgirl, then personal referrals or "friends of friends". I have meaningful relationships with all those chicas, despite the uninformed opinons you read here otherwise.

For that post I specifically looked for fotos of chicas who I knew I bought iPhones. I have bought fones for El Centro girls, but never an iPhone. I posted recently about the rebuilt Samsung I bought for one chica, which lead to banging all three sisters for a few sessions, which morphed into my GTGZG (Ground Zero Go-To-Girl). That was worth ten-times my original investment of 300 mil COP.

I also recently posted about the El Centro Nubian Princess who I would've bought a similar phone except I was days from leaving MDE. There have been others. I'm too busy at the moment to do my usual post who-ring of fotos.

Not one poster has identified the true core issue about my original post on buying iPhones. I'm driving down to Florida this afternoon (been home a week, already bored, jajajaja) and I will post about it later tonight or tomorrow. A few of you might find it interesting.

Thanks for tuning in and paying attention.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2730924]Maybe there should be another subsection for dick pics. [/QUOTE]Well as it has been noted by other posters, anyone can start their own thread, so might as well have a section for butt fucking and ass licking as we've recently seen some photos of this.

Perhaps even a section for banging very pregnant Chicas, meaning Chicas that are at least seven months pregnant, and look like they are ready to pop. I think I saw some photos of that lately as well, or perhaps they were just fat girls. LOL.

The list could go on and on, and even include Sacaleros (glue sniffers) as well. LOL.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2730940]I'm new so I really can't say much[/QUOTE]I heard that was a problem in Tijuana, jeje.

[QUOTE=Xplore21;2730685]Hey what's up everyone,

I'm new here to the forum. I've been to Medellin many times but I've had a real tough time finding these type of women. Anyone have any intel on these girls. There's a popular porn site in Colombia with these curvy bbws.[/QUOTE]These girls with a big booty and small waist are hard to find even in Colombia. Valle and atlantico especially buenaventura are the best place to find any. But is it worth the risk?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731101]The robbery started when you kept buying them phones.[/QUOTE]And the pixie dust probably didn't help much LOL.

[QUOTE=Bill;2731248]And the pixie dust probably didn't help much LOL.[/QUOTE]And as clueless, as ever.

I definitely agree there are people who should never partake in recreational drugs. I have a friend, he gets violent when he drinks, therefore he doesn't drink.

A lot of people fear what they might do or become in an altered state. I call it a "reality bias". A large segment of that comes under the category of "weak minds". Then there is another large category of folks who either recovered from bad experiences or had a close family member with bad experiences in recreational drugs. I empathize with those people. If you have been paying attention, you would know that I started doing recreational drugs when I was 13 yo with the horrible "gateway" drug known as pot, Mr. Bill, Ohhhh Noooooo.

Never had a DUI. Never missed a day of work, never had a run in with law enforcement over drugs. Statistically, a good chance that I am much healthier than you.

If it all blows up on me tomorrow, and I have some sort of adverse consequence due to recreational drugs, I still won't have any regrets. Oh, also BTW if you've been paying attention, I don't do drugs in the US of A.

Let's see, for you, ummmm, I'm going to say your aversion to recreational drugs is from reality bias due to a weak mind. Is that about right?

You are semi-correct about one thing. I tend to be a little more generous under the effects, but it's not enough to cause me to do something I otherwise would not do. The proof in that is I always make the actual purchase decision in an unaltered state, just to be sure.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731182]No. None of those girls are El Centro chicas. If I was misleading, it was not intentional. Those are chicas I met on my own, starting with my Numero Uno Catgirl, then personal referrals or "friends of friends". I have meaningful relationships with all those chicas, despite the uninformed opinons you read here otherwise.

For that post I specifically looked for fotos of chicas who I knew I bought iPhones. I have bought fones for El Centro girls, but never an iPhone. I posted recently about the rebuilt Samsung I bought for one chica, which lead to banging all three sisters for a few sessions, which morphed into my GTGZG (Ground Zero Go-To-Girl). That was worth ten-times my original investment of 300 mil COP.

I also recently posted about the El Centro Nubian Princess who I would've bought a similar phone except I was days from leaving MDE. There have been others. I'm too busy at the moment to do my usual post who-ring of fotos.

Not one poster has identified the true core issue about my original post on buying iPhones. I'm driving down to Florida this afternoon (been home a week, already bored, jajajaja) and I will post about it later tonight or tomorrow. A few of you might find it interesting.

Thanks for tuning in and paying attention.[/QUOTE]Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San José. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opinióand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2731190]Well as it has been noted by other posters, anyone can start their own thread, so might as well have a section for butt fucking and ass licking as we've recently seen some photos of this.

Perhaps even a section for banging very pregnant Chicas, meaning Chicas that are at least seven months pregnant, and look like they are ready to pop. I think I saw some photos of that lately as well, or perhaps they were just fat girls. LOL.

The list could go on and on, and even include Sacaleros (glue sniffers) as well. LOL.[/QUOTE]Or "low balling (there is a good pun there)". How about, "skulking in the shadows"? What else have you got, really? Do tell. Jajajaja. Carry on, as we all will and should, jajaja.

Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money. It is a long game for me which is not so For many guys so it may not make sense for them to start doling out iPhones. I chose who I give to. She has to be pretty, no drama, never cancel on me, be smart. For example I organize parties and one of my steadies takes care of the entire logistics. She sends me photos and I approve some of her friends and invite few more of my own. She then organizes invites, RSVP, Rappi, taxi payments, late night pizza, party supplies and most importantly she keeps an eye on things, and make sure place is clean etc. They stay overnight for the price of ST. There is a real friendship element there and not just about the phone. Phone happens because of friendship and not the other way. So all outlier spending should have some context. I typically buy one or two models down from the latest and they are very happy with that. I bought nearly 20 phones in 5 years.

Someone said it is all about camera. Not quite in my experience. I had a girl give me back Samsung Ultra 20 for iPhone 10 XS at the time when you 20 and iPhone 12 were top models. They want to see apple logo followed by number of camera lenses in the selfie mirror. I still ask if they want best camera or iPhone and they choose iPhone two models down. (One of the best value phones for camera is Xiaomi and no one in CO wants it at half price of equivalent iPhone with much better camera).

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731104]I admit it sounds outlandish, mostly from guys projecting themselves into my situation. Saying it's a "waste" or some other value judgement is irrelevant, unless the poster is speaking for himself only. I would do it all again, but I have slowed the pace a bit, jajajaja. I get it, very hard for other guys to relate to a situation they would never consider, or just as, if not more likely, be able to complete even if they wanted to do so. Not saying you do.

The first step in psychologically protecting one's sense of self, is to reject concepts and behaviors that are too foreign for to conceptualize into one's own thought processes. That is mostly what is going on here, and not any real harm or waste or bad behavior.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730890]Stay home and study Spanish. Preferably for about two more years, jajaja.[/QUOTE]Do you need to know spanish really well? I can get by on very elementary level. Do some girls speak english there?

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2728623]The odds are grossly tilted toward crimes against gringos happening in the Poblado-Laureles-Sabaneta triangle. Outside that zone, it's of course much less likely because there are so much fewer gringos in the line of fire by comparison.[/QUOTE]So go to the hood then?

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2731384]Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money.[/QUOTE]If it gets to the point where they are serving up themselves plus their friends to you for nothing but taxi money then a one or two year old Iphone might be a decent investment. That's very unusual in this game though, graduating from paid to "free," or all the sex plus their friends that you want for an Iphone. I'm confident this is very rare though, regardless of any anecdotes we may read here. Gifts are just that in the mind of a Latin hooker. You get a "mucho gracias" most likely then are charged the same for any sex going forward while they will become much less shy about asking for more gifts, material or monetary.

There's also the issue of them dropping off the radar as many lose their phones and pick up new numbers or abandon their FB accounts in lieu of new ones. Would suck to give away a $600 new IPhone then find yourself unable to reach them. Plus how long do you think that phone is going to last? If it's not stolen (big if) then in most cases it won't last beyond the next crisis at which time it's sold or pawned. Most have a crisis a month if not more.

Lastly, though there are always rare exceptions to all rules, the typical guy who thinks these girls are his friends is abundantly deluded. "This one is different," no, she almost surely is not. And yes, guys like myself who don't roll that way have a lot of fun like many others but avoid some avoidable headaches. Girls may like some guys who give them whatever they want, but they don't respect them. And even any personally liking will go down the shitter the moment the goodies stop flowing. So that's the other side of the argument, that has a place in an open forum as well.

Enjoy gentlemen.

I don't care to count what number these day are. I disappeared for a while. But I'm still alive and back in pussy prison in Sweden. Good luck for me the more allowing city of Copenhagen is only a 30 min train ride away. In Copenhagen you can monger legally but at a high cost compared to Colombia.

Thursday I threw a party with my monger neighbor. He's a sugar daddy type of mongerer. I invited some chickas from my FB list. The party was not a success. He was in to deceiving the girls to let them think they could get a model contract if he took their pics. We partied for a while and then the chickas split without any bed performance being done. I was a bit unsure about the party plan beforehand and should have stuck with my gut feeling. Afterwards there was some upset texts from the chickas about being fooled. The neighbor blocked them and I was target of the blame.

My favorite chicka messaged Thursday afternoon saying she wanted to come but the invites for the party were already sent out. I think she got a bit jealous but accepted the fact. If she had reached out just a couple of hours earlier I would have saved myself a boring party and maybe had a marvelous evening at a lower cost.

Friday I was sleeping in after the party. Tried to fix 2 different FB chickas for a day job. One was working and the other one had gone to centro to buy clothes for her baby. I didn't have the energy to go find me a centro girl. I already had a date with my favorite set for the evening and hopefully the night.

When she turned up we went out for dinner and ended up at a sea food restaurant in Poblado. We had some local dish of grilled fish. So so, a bit salty and a lot of bones. Then back to my aparment to relax. She had actually packed clothes for next day and fixed someone to care for her dog (at my cost). We hadn't met in person for a week and it was a dear reunion. She's fun, patient with my bad Spanish and translator, kind and caring. Not the top looker but her personality well compensate for that. A really nice all night date ended in the morning with her rushing of to university classes.

Met with her midday and she took me on a tour to Pueblito Paisa (not worth the trip up the hill to me, far too little to see) and Parque Arvi. We did not have time to watch the park since I was due at the airport at 8 pm and had to go back to the apartment to pick up my bags. But the ride with the teleferico was amazing. We shared the wagon with some Colombians. This guy David struck up a convo on his struggling English. They were really nice and David, who was on a visit from Bogota, corked up a bottle of rum in the wagon, of wich we shared some shots. Typical Colombian hospitality.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731405]So go to the hood then?[/QUOTE]No. There's a lot of bad advice here sadly. Laureles and El Poblado are generally safe. Try to stay in well lit areas. El Centro is pretty safe in the day in the areas around the casas. You can go to the strip clubs in El Centro at night but taxi in and out.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731398]Do you need to know spanish really well? I can get by on very elementary level. Do some girls speak english there?[/QUOTE]If you have that much then you have much more then a lot of guys who have a very good time in Medellin. Google Translate has hugely improved over the years. Have it handy and you'll be fine.

Girls who speak English are rare which is good. The hookers are typically more hardcore in Latin American countries like Costa Rica where English is widely spoken. When they start telling you their rules in English and negotiating in dollars then it's a very bad sign. Wink.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731405]So go to the hood then?[/QUOTE]Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists. So I don't think it was intended as advice to go to other parts. The actual crime rate is highest in the downtown area. But for crimes targeting tourists of course that would happen in the areas where there are more tourists.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731398]Do you need to know spanish really well? I can get by on very elementary level. Do some girls speak english there?[/QUOTE]Use Google Translate on our smartphones. Use the word "oral" for blowjobs. There are other tidbits. Love and sex really is a universal language and you can get a lot to done with body language and the eyes, but if you don't speak Spanish, you will need to use Google Translate, on-line. I recommend downloading the app and not just connecting to the Google Translate Web page.

Earlier this week, I took delivery on a new Google Pixis 6 smartphone knowing that one of its features was that it does not need to be connected to the Internet to use the Spanish translator, it's preprogrammed. The phone also has dual-SIMS so you can drop in a SIM card from a local Colombian provider without losing the functionality of your carrier from the USA on the embedded eSIM. However, a fellow mongerer tells me this dual-SIM feature will not work in Colombia, for Google phones, yet. So that funcitionality remains to be seen for me, I will try it on my next return trip and report back.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2731384]Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money. It is a long game for me which is not so For many guys so it may not make sense for them to start doling out iPhones. I chose who I give to. She has to be pretty, no drama, never cancel on me, be smart. For example I organize parties and one of my steadies takes care of the entire logistics. She sends me photos and I approve some of her friends and invite few more of my own. She then organizes invites, RSVP, Rappi, taxi payments, late night pizza, party supplies and most importantly she keeps an eye on things, and make sure place is clean etc. They stay overnight for the price of ST. There is a real friendship element there and not just about the phone. Phone happens because of friendship and not the other way. So all outlier spending should have some context. I typically buy one or two models down from the latest and they are very happy with that. I bought nearly 20 phones in 5 years.

Someone said it is all about camera. Not quite in my experience. I had a girl give me back Samsung Ultra 20 for iPhone 10 XS at the time when you 20 and iPhone 12 were top models. They want to see apple logo followed by number of camera lenses in the selfie mirror. I still ask if they want best camera or iPhone and they choose iPhone two models down. (One of the best value phones for camera is Xiaomi and no one in CO wants it at half price of equivalent iPhone with much better camera).[/QUOTE]Obviously, you "get it" and much more than that, make it work. When I first came to this Web site, it was considered heresy if someone even suggested that a person "gifted" objects such as iPhones to these chicas. Fortunately, I concentrate on The Truth and not what others think. I am not trying to convince anyone else they should be buying iPhones but I am not going to pretend about what I do and what makes me happy. There are a lot of silent lurkers and observers who can see the situation for what it really it and are not swayed but opinions just because someone is a frequent flier here.

Your side comment about the camera was interesting and I agree somewhat. The camera is a status symbol from branding and for the quality of the fotos. You really can't argue about any loss of quality comparing the best of Samsung to the best iPhones.

My Numero Uno Novia Catgirl blew up on TicToc. She insists she needs her iPhone Pro Whatever to get the job done. As a result, she became financially independent from me for all her living expenses, so needless to say those iPhones were a worthwhile investment.

There are others who "get it" here but they just don't make as much noise as a few of the less enlightened detractors here. That's fine. They will make fun of you (us) for calling them our "steadies" or novias. They don't understand if your experience in real time is making you happy, then it works. They talk about getting laughed at or ridculed because that's how they see themselves in that situation, in order justify their unwillingess or inability to participate. In other words, classic projection.

I have never suggested anyone else should go out and buy two paper cups and a string for these chicas. I believe the "heart and soul" or the silent majority and a few of the other posters here, are more enlightened and open minded otherwise I would not waste my time. Oh, and thanks for the effective writing, also.

I am going to have one final major point on this topic later, but I am on the road right now, headed down to Florida. I just woke up so there may be cobwebs in this post, jajajaja. Ostee Out!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2731461]Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists. [/QUOTE]Which of course does nothing to make the case that it's a better idea to be the one obvious North American out partying in Manrique. It's just a Captain Obvious moment with no useful takeaways.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am3FjwsNqXc[/URL]

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2731293]Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.[/QUOTE]What you believe doesn't change what is, and it's not important.

It doesn't matter what need some girl has, or claims to have. What matters is whether or not you want to give what she's asking for. If you don't want to, tell her no. If she persists, block her.

If you think you will somehow profit from giving, you're almost certainly wrong. The only guaranteed return on your investment is that the girl will ask you for something else.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731467]Use Google Translate on our smartphones. Use the word "oral" for blowjobs. There are other tidbits. Love and sex really is a universal language and you can get a lot to done with body language and the eyes, but if you don't speak Spanish, you will need to use Google Translate, on-line. I recommend downloading the app and not just connecting to the Google Translate Web page.

Earlier this week, I took delivery on a new Google Pixis 6 smartphone knowing that one of its features was that it does not need to be connected to the Internet to use the Spanish translator, it's preprogrammed. The phone also has dual-SIMS so you can drop in a SIM card from a local Colombian provider without losing the functionality of your carrier from the USA on the embedded eSIM. However, a fellow mongerer tells me this dual-SIM feature will not work in Colombia, for Google phones, yet. So that funcitionality remains to be seen for me, I will try it on my next return trip and report back.[/QUOTE]You can download any language to your phone with Google Translate so it's available offline. You can do the same with areas in Google Maps.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731104]I admit it sounds outlandish, mostly from guys projecting themselves into my situation. Saying it's a "waste" or some other value judgement is irrelevant, unless the poster is speaking for himself only. I would do it all again, but I have slowed the pace a bit, jajajaja. I get it, very hard for other guys to relate to a situation they would never consider, or just as, if not more likely, be able to complete even if they wanted to do so. Not saying you do.

The first step in psychologically protecting one's sense of self, is to reject concepts and behaviors that are too foreign for to conceptualize into one's own thought processes. That is mostly what is going on here, and not any real harm or waste or bad behavior.[/QUOTE]I hear what you are saying and at the end of the day its your life and your money so do with it as you please. Buying a chica 1 phone is one thing and I wouldn't be against it down the road if the vibe is right. But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731518]I hear what you are saying and at the end of the day its your life and your money so do with it as you please. Buying a chica 1 phone is one thing and I wouldn't be against it down the road if the vibe is right. But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.[/QUOTE]Very few of us are going to agree on these examples nor should we. Sharing can be fun and I learn a few things along the way.

I know it seems like I'm obsessed on psychological defense mechanisms, but only because projection and denial run rampant here.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2731418]If it gets to the point where they are serving up themselves plus their friends to you for nothing but taxi money then a one or two year old Iphone might be a decent investment. That's very unusual in this game though, graduating from paid to "free," or all the sex plus their friends that you want for an Iphone. I'm confident this is very rare though, regardless of any anecdotes we may read here. Gifts are just that in the mind of a Latin hooker. You get a "mucho gracias" most likely then are charged the same for any sex going forward while they will become much less shy about asking for more gifts, material or monetary.

...Lastly, though there are always rare exceptions to all rules, the typical guy who thinks these girls are his friends is abundantly deluded. "This one is different," no, she almost surely is not. And yes, guys like myself who don't roll that way have a lot of fun like many others but avoid some avoidable headaches. Girls may like some guys who give them whatever they want, but they don't respect them. And even any personally liking will go down the shitter the moment the goodies stop flowing. So that's the other side of the argument, that has a place in an open forum as well.

Enjoy gentlemen.[/QUOTE]I am with you on this. I have had girls that I've been seeing regularly over 5+ years, but none of them gave me any freebies, nor brought friends for some fun. I am very much aware that if I were to stop providing the goodies, the fun will stop for me.

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2731293]Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.[/QUOTE]I think there was one family by the time I ended up replacing all the "stolen" phones probably everyone in three generations had a phone, jajaja. Including grandma and the dog!

Chew on that one for awhile mi amigos, jajajajaja.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2731541]I am with you on this. I have had girls that I've been seeing regularly over 5+ years, but none of them gave me any freebies, nor brought friends for some fun. I am very much aware that if I were to stop providing the goodies, the fun will stop for me.[/QUOTE]That similar actions can produce different results in different mongerers. I won't go into the reasons why, it's multifactorial.

As far as a right to expressing opinion, of course everyone also has that coming to them, but when they cross the line projecting their opinion and experience over to others as dogma, that,'s when I will step up and tell you it's not necessarily so.

Everything's fine when you (not you, figure of speech, I'm voice texting on my new smartphone) speak for yourself but when you start speaking for others as dogma, then you better be damn sure. I don't speak for others on this topic and I can tell you the ones who do, are not sure. Perhaps they might feel they are doing a a valuable public services or warning others and some do need that advice, I can understand and appreciate that.

Saturday I decided to spend the night in Provenza with one of my Chicas whom I call Tall because she is tall. I like others her have nicknames as well for my Chicas based on their attributes.

I booked a room in a boutique hotel in Provenza of which there are a lot of them all over the area. I've stayed in several of them and consider a lot of them to be Love Hotel's, not in the sense you rent them for short time, but some are totally set-up for fucking meaning there is a king size bed, flat-screen TV, and aircon. Some of them have lots of mirrors, and I especially like the see thru showers at some of them. Kind of like perhaps Deseo's in Centro over half a century ago as far as the latest and greatest. I wonder some times if any of the mirrors on the ceilings there have ever fallen off, I'm sure they have. I've taken Tall to Provenza before, and the first time she was asking me what the mini-split AC unit was, what the exhaust fan in the bathroom was, and in one new place what the fire sprinkler system was. Of course she loved shampooing her hair, with hot water, and had never used a hair dryer before on her long beautiful hair.

Provenza is a barrio directly above the LLeras area with a lot of really good places to eat. My favorite there is Sombombi, and they hit it out of the park on Saturday. They change their menu every few weeks with some of the same, but always something unique on the menu. Last night I had some killer Sierra along with an incredible salad and a chicken dish. The place is very unpretentious, I've never seen a menu in English, but one or two people speak some English. The patrons are primarily Colombians, and the pricing is very reasonable as most dishes average about $ 10 USD. This place is very different than Carmen's and I think the food is just as good at a fraction of the price.

There are several other excellent places to eat in and around Provenza which I consider the fanciest part of Poblado for fine dining, versus the " dining dumps" in and around Parque Lleras. There's a bridge / intersection directly by the Quebrada that will have hundreds of tables / chairs set outside for dining in the streets as shown in the photo. To get to Provenza you walk up Calle 10 about four blocks up from Lleras and enter the area to the right, there will be a sign.

Forget going to Provenza to monger, you can go to the LLeras area for that.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2731384]Many may not relate but I can. I am just like that. I give girls iPhones. I call them my steadies. I see them on every trip for a year at least and some for 3 years and going. After 2 years they just bring friends and come. I just pay taxi money. It is a long game for me which is not so For many guys so it may not make sense for them to start doling out iPhones. I chose who I give to. She has to be pretty, no drama, never cancel on me, be smart. For example I organize parties and one of my steadies takes care of the entire logistics. She sends me photos and I approve some of her friends and invite few more of my own. She then organizes invites, RSVP, Rappi, taxi payments, late night pizza, party supplies and most importantly she keeps an eye on things, and make sure place is clean etc. They stay overnight for the price of ST. There is a real friendship element there and not just about the phone. Phone happens because of friendship and not the other way. So all outlier spending should have some context. I typically buy one or two models down from the latest and they are very happy with that. I bought nearly 20 phones in 5 years..[/QUOTE]You sound as though you vetted your girls very well before giving these girls phones, and the pay off is huge.

Makes sense to me, but not everybody has had such luck. A lot of times guys get so enamored with the sex with these Chicas that they want them available, so hence buying them a phone makes sense before they've truly vetted them like you.

I've done exactly what you've done for a few of my Chicas, but it wasn't "I" phones, but a good $ 100 USD smart phone and the pay off has been huge, ie; the long game as you mention.

For guys totally enamored, getting a girl a used phone makes more sense, especially for the ones not vetted.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2731451]I couldn't disagree more with this reasoning. It's true that opportunists go to areas like El Poblado looking for targets, but throwing yourself into the mix in high crime areas like Manrique and most areas of Bello with little police presence, loads of poverty and plenty of potential perps about for the most part carries higher risk, especially if you are out late partying and like most are unable to blend in. That said there's little stats for this as most foreign victims don't report the crimes. Plus there's little sampling in one respect as few are dumb enough to go up the hill to Manrique to party. Even remotely honest hookers would advise against it.

So moral of the story? Be wary of personal testimonies in monger forums. Many are unreliable, plus some are just in ISG posting for fun, making stuff up, and have never been to Colombia. Plus if true one person's limited experience is insufficient to draw conclusions as they could run out of luck tomorrow.[/QUOTE]The whole "machismo" aspect of "I get girls to fuck for free with just my hard cawkkkk". Feels strong in this thread. There are those that seem well edtablished with evidence but like I said before the whole crabs in a barrel feeling between men is quite powerful which I find extremely obnoxious. There will never be a time when the average ham and egger 9 to 5 er in America will be like "lets go to Colombia" Because in any war torn country of the past there will always be dangers and 95 % of Americans or even Western Europeans can't handle an environment without extremely government over regulation to protect them from thier own stupidity and familiarity with a McDonalds to spoon feed them at every corner particularly in the US.

So this idea of needing to keep 2nd teir specific safety knowledge a secret aside from general knowledge is stupid. Obviously, there is 1st tier generalized safety knowledge but in an environment where crime is rampant and to a certain extent idealized. 2nd tier specific knowledge is invaluable.

Everyone gets to decide for themselves. In general terms, more gringos means more gringo crime victims. In specific terms there are many kinds of gringos. Some are more prone to becoming victims than others. I believe it boils down to a risk / benefit equation. Certain behavior that attracts attention brings more risk. I'm ignorant of what associated benefit there may be but I am always interested in learning.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731405]So go to the hood then?[/QUOTE]

My stock response is that classic bit of Colombian insincerity: "que pena. ".

[QUOTE=ChuchoLoco;2731293]Not judging anyone on whether they buy or don't buy phones. BUT has almost every working girl had her phone stolen? I have heard this so many times in Medellin and San Jos. They all have have kids or mothers who are sick or just had electric or water cut off for non payment and they all have had their phones stolen. I just don't believe it. I think many of them may sell them for money or had an old cheap phone and want someone to buy them a new expensive one. Or they are just so fkn tonta and careless because they didn't spend their own money to buy it. You would think that they know a new iPhone or equivalent is a target so you would think they would hide it rather than show it off. That's one thing everyone here knows and says as advice. Carry a cheap phone or don't show what you have. Don't give the papaya. Another one is a cam girl who will tell you she got robbed on payday. All ploys to get free money or gifts in my whatever it's worth opiniand. I have given an old iPhone that I bought for a $100 for traveling away and it was well worth it. Once again, I just can't believe they all get their phones stolen and have so much sickness in their family.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2730273] I am posting to the guys who are wondering and wanting to learn what's really available in our Magical Medellin. Asti Out.[/QUOTE]Oste really tries to help the new mongers. His stories seem so outlandish that they couldn't possibly be true? I have had the honor of hanging with him many times in Centro. I can tell you he was never in danger and I know danger in centro. The girls who I saw him with and the people who I saw him around posed no threat to him. They really treated him with respect and his is not a big brawny guy, he just knows how to handle himself around people and they respond respectfully to Oste.

I am posting the price of many of the phones in Medellin so that you can see the true value of a phone when you look at it from a Centro Rat's perspective. For kicks and giggles lets say you bought 40 phones into Colombia at a price tag of $1000 usd. Lets say you were able to sell everyone or if you were to trade every one or if you got robbed for a few, would it really matter?

I can personally tell you that I had a girl whom I really liked to keep a suitcase for me, so that I wouldn't have to travel with my suitcase on future trips. I was also testing her to see if she would steal the suitcase. Just as sure as Tuesday comes after Monday, I never saw the suitcase again and the suitcase had 8 brand new cell phones in the suitcase. Was I mad, no, did I bang the chic any more after that? Yes, but I never gave her an opportunity to have access to anything she could steal from me.

Now as Oste likes to say, Pollo, you are a true business man, I we have a running joke between us both. I just like to earn money when it is right in my face. So, imagine for every $25 usd you spend, someone pays you $175-$200 usd and you are saving them more than 50% on the price of the item in Colombia.

I won't beat a dead horse or explain the obvious, but there are some of us who are having a ton of fun in Medellin at a minimal price. I have been traveling to Colombia for 5 years, I now own a home, motorcycle, soon to buy a car, and who knows what is next. I paid attention, learned, paid my dues and stayed within the laws of Colombia and Medellin. If the loss of a couple of cell phones will have your underwear in a not, maybe you shouldn't be in the mongering game. You win some and you lose some. But you don't have to call your friendly board member a lie, because you are not able to accomplish what he is! Pollo Negro is out!

This is what I was trying to say.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2731461]Where there are more tourists there will be a higher number of crimes involving tourists. So I don't think it was intended as advice to go to other parts. The actual crime rate is highest in the downtown area. But for crimes targeting tourists of course that would happen in the areas where there are more tourists.[/QUOTE]

There will be others complaining about you do or mocking you for not paying what they pay. You don't know those anonymous people and you shouldn't care anything about what they say. Do what you want to do and don't worry about what others say. If you are happy with the outcome, keep doing what you're doing. Be true to yourself and pay what you want to pay.

As for overpaying, money is not same for everyone. If Bill Gates came to town and paid a girl $2000 US for two hours, you would say that he overpaid and is a sucker but Bill Gates wouldn't see it that way. He had a great time and the girl went all out for him. For Bill Gates, $2000 is nothing and he would probably feel guilty just giving her $50 for the great time she gave him because he has so much money. Not everyone coming to Medellin is pinching their pennies and living paycheck to paycheck.

[QUOTE=VasyaPetya;2731398]Do you need to know spanish really well? I can get by on very elementary level. Do some girls speak english there?[/QUOTE]You don't need any Spanish to have sex in Medellin. But basic Spanish is a must to have fun in Medellin. For the first few trips and for many people sexy equals fun so you're good. After that when you become a regular to Medellin, then you'll want to and start to have fun beyond the already amazing sex. And for that you need some Spanish. Of course that is pretty much true these days of Google translate, in any part of the world.

I totally agree that what I do is rare and nor am I not saying that others should do what I do. Not at all. Like I said, it is my long game strategy. I would guess that less than 5% of the members here are into the long game. So for most people what I wrote may be irrelevant. It is just information. I didn't know anyone that does what I do until I read Osteoknot's post. This is a discussion forum so I was just sharing my own thoughts and tipping my hat to him.

The girls I am extra generous to are friends and not girlfriends. I actually tell them, . "Amigos con beneficios" and they get it. I have another life outside of Medellin. I am too busy to get involved in their private life. They can fuck who and when they want. So no illusions or delusions there. I do expect them to be somewhat available the days that I am in Medellin. I expect them to learn English and I give them resources and coach them. 30% follow through but I don't hold it against the ones that don't. I give them life advice if they ask. I have IG or FB as backup in case of number changes or robberies. And BTW, super majority of robbery stories are true. It is extremely common in the barrios. It is so common that the girls get sad but not angry. Please don't assume that girls are lying. Some do sell their gifted phones and that is out of pure desperation. Like if they are getting thrown out of a place or someone in hospital etc. I had couple of girls tell me after they sold the phones I gave them. They were too embarrassed to tell me before that they need to sell a gift. For many of these girls, a good quality phone is almost their entire net worth. Parting with it is not easy. And l don't care what a friend does with my gift as long the friendship lives.

BTW, The principal message in my post is friendship before gifts. "You give gifts to friends. You don't become friends because of gifts. " - Vitrea. Ja ja.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2731418]If it gets to the point where they are serving up themselves plus their friends to you for nothing but taxi money then a one or two year old Iphone might be a decent investment. That's very unusual in this game though, graduating from paid to "free," or all the sex plus their friends that you want for an Iphone. I'm confident this is very rare though, regardless of any anecdotes we may read here. Gifts are just that in the mind of a Latin hooker. You get a "mucho gracias" most likely then are charged the same for any sex going forward while they will become much less shy about asking for more gifts, material or monetary.

There's also the issue of them dropping off the radar as many lose their phones and pick up new numbers or abandon their FB accounts in lieu of new ones. Would suck to give away a $600 new IPhone then find yourself unable to reach them. Plus how long do you think that phone is going to last? If it's not stolen (big if) then in most cases it won't last beyond the next crisis at which time it's sold or pawned. Most have a crisis a month if not more.

Lastly, though there are always rare exceptions to all rules, the typical guy who thinks these girls are his friends is abundantly deluded. "This one is different," no, she almost surely is not. And yes, guys like myself who don't roll that way have a lot of fun like many others but avoid some avoidable headaches. Girls may like some guys who give them whatever they want, but they don't respect them. And even any personally liking will go down the shitter the moment the goodies stop flowing. So that's the other side of the argument, that has a place in an open forum as well.

Enjoy gentlemen.[/QUOTE]

Unlike chicas with whom I have developed long term relationships, GZGTZ (Ground Zero Go-to-Girl) was new this last trip, pure puta, great sessions, never came to my hotel room, and accepted payment below FMV (Fair Market Value). I will include a few fotos.

She Whassaps me every day since I left a week ago. After a day or two, she starts saying that she has no money for food. I ask her what happened to all the money I gave her from our sessions and she said she used it to pay off debt. And get a new tattoo, I noticed.

I tell her no, not one peso. Not so amazingly, the next day she tells me her birthday is the following day and asks me if will I gift her? A lot of new girls will try this basic ploy especially if you repeat on them. Pretty obvious little con but worth it for them to try it in case they catch a beginner or a softie. I tell her to send me a foto of the front and back of her cedula (government ID) which is what you always want to see before considering any birthday "gifts".

She says she will but after two more days the cedula is a no-show. I ask her why and now she says her sister has it. I tell her is she ever wants to see me again to stop treating me like a stupid gringo. I tell her the only chance she has of seeing another peso from me is in person, after sex. She asks when? I tell her I don't know. She is not a chica I can trust, yet, if ever, and she gets treated accordingly. She writes she will wait for me.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731518]But if she ever lost it or got it stolen unless I saw it right in front of my eyes, I would never buy her a phone again.[/QUOTE]That means you bought a phone for a chica who you did not trust in the first place and I would recommend against that. Read what Vitrea wrote, again. He says it better than I did.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2731692]And BTW, super majority of robbery stories are true. It is extremely common in the barrios. It is so common that the girls get sad but not angry. Please don't assume that girls are lying. Some do sell their gifted phones and that is out of pure desperation. Like if they are getting thrown out of a place or someone in hospital etc. I had couple of girls tell me after they sold the phones I gave them. They were too embarrassed to tell me before that they need to sell a gift. For many of these girls, a good quality phone is almost their entire net worth. Parting with it is not easy.[/QUOTE]Phone theft and black market phones are an epidemic in Medellin. That is one of the main functions you see the policia doing during random stops. They are checking for stolen phones using the IME number. I have posted about this before and have been with a chica who was with me and Catgirl during a routine policia check, and then carted off to jail because the super-cheap phone she bought from a vendor off the street did not show her as the registered owner.

Like Vitrea, I am not suggesting anyone else buy these chicas two cups connected by a piece of string. I have often said, the happiest mongerer is what I somewhat disparingly refer to as a "wet mudhole fucker" because they are satisfied with the least, but that's not me. Don't fault me for what works for me. I am having too much fun. Well, I was having fun until I returned to Pussy Prison.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731705]That means you bought a phone for a chica who you did not trust in the first place and I would recommend against that. Read what Vitrea wrote, again. He says it better than I did.

Phone theft and black market phones are an epidemic in Medellin. That is one of the main functions you see the policia doing during random stops. They are checking for stolen phones using the IME number. I have posted about this before and have been with a chica who was with me and Catgirl during a routine policia check, and then carted off to jail because the super-cheap phone she bought from a vendor off the street did not show her as the registered owner.

Like Vitrea, I am not suggesting anyone else buy these chicas two cups connected by a piece of string. I have often said, the happiest mongerer is what I somewhat disparingly refer to as a "wet mudhole fucker" because they are satisfied with the least, but that's not me. Don't fault me for what works for me. I am having too much fun. Well, I was having fun until I returned to Pussy Prison.[/QUOTE]I have never given a chica a phone. I'm also aware of the epidemic of the cell phone black market. Which is why I bring extras everytime I come down to offset my vacation costs.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2731673]There will be others complaining about you do or mocking you for not paying what they pay. You don't know those anonymous people and you shouldn't care anything about what they say. Do what you want to do and don't worry about what others say. If you are happy with the outcome, keep doing what you're doing. Be true to yourself and pay what you want to pay.

As for overpaying, money is not same for everyone. If Bill Gates came to town and paid a girl $2000 US for two hours, you would say that he overpaid and is a sucker but Bill Gates wouldn't see it that way. He had a great time and the girl went all out for him. For Bill Gates, $2000 is nothing and he would probably feel guilty just giving her $50 for the great time she gave him because he has so much money. Not everyone coming to Medellin is pinching their pennies and living paycheck to paycheck.[/QUOTE]If you want to give away new $600 phones by all means do so. The critiques are simply aimed to introduce doses of reality for the reading audience who may be considering but aren't yet committed to these practices. That phone isn't liable to last more than a month before it's stolen, pawned, or sold. Plus it's very doubtful that it will get you much more in the way of service while in many instances it will frame you as gullible and worthy of disrespect. Charity is good though, but even Bill Gates would do well to look elsewhere for that. I'd rather put a bulletproof vest on a Ukrainian. And not everyone who refuses to buy $600 gifts for hookers is pinching pennies, far from it, so scratch that one.

P.S. The Bill Gates P4 P analogy is forced. Billionaires aren't in Medellin hitting up hookers on the street, in clubs or in Facebook. If they buy sex at all they are ordering them up for their yachts in areas like the south of France. But even if they were in Medellin there's no point in paying $2000 an hour or 20 to 40 times the going rate, even if you want her to put in some extra effort. We don't see billionaires going to car lots insisting on paying 40 times the sticker price just because they have more money than they'll ever need. You can bet your life they don't "feel guilty" for paying sticker price. Plus such typically isn't in the DNA of the super rich as they didn't get that status by throwing $ away. It's usually the pretenders that toss money around to draw attention to themselves, are constantly telling everyone how well to do they are, and you'll find plenty of these giving away new IPhones to hookers. But again, knock yourself out and "don't worry" about what guys like me say if your mind is already made up. On that point we are certainly on the same page. Wink.

Gawd knows I can flog a dead horse into dog meat. Done that many times, here.

Your responses tell me a lot. I learn some. I get to see who I believe has some actual experience at this mongering game, perhaps even a little enlightened, open-minded, perceptive, and non-judgmental.

The responses I enjoy the most, as I have said many times, is when a "lurker" comes out of the shadows and makes a constructive comment. That is fun for both parties.

I posted earlier that this was not a serious topic but there is one very serious aspect to it. A point that so far no one has mentioned even briefly in passing.

Chica safety. Every theft I originally described involved either a gun or a knife. Except for the one chica in front of her apartment in Castilla and she got hurt the worst of all of them, rolled by a much bigger, tougher, stronger chica. The robbers in Medellin will shoot you in the face for simply uttering the word, "no" and nothing more. If you take home one message, remember that one.

These phones represent checkerboard pieces in my life. I am not here to impress anyone. There would be a problem if I were engaging in some of the behaviors I described and couldn't pay my mortgage. That's not what is happening here.

Helloooo, McFly! The asinine part to my behavior is that I was putting these chicas at real risk of real physical harm. Girls about whom I care, some of them deeply. That is the core issue.

I was shaken to my core when the chica who got robbed twice once by gun and then by knifepoint showed me a stun-gun she bought to defend herself. I broke down and started crying in front of her which I am prone to do anyway because of my brain injury called PBA which can make me very emotionally labile, at times. I told her she was more likely to get killed or injured from trying to use the stun gun than prevent any actual theft.

I have a friend in MDE who bought his hot novia a moto. Now she's a paraplegic due to a moto accident. He's a stand-up guy, he still takes care of her. I am not sure if I could handle it as well as he does. There is a parallel issue here when my novias are getting repeatedly robbed of phones that I bought them by perps using guns and knives.

This is why I have decided to stop the madness and not continue to repeatedly buy these chicas the iPhones they want, and instead get them the phones that will still get the job done, even if it's not their first choice. You guys did help me with this, here. All of you. Thank you for that. I am not making a financial decision but a chica safety decision. I agree the best Xiaomi Redmi phones are solid with a camera that will rival anything on the market for much cheaper.

Some random gratuitous fotos, celebrating perhaps a wiser man, me: The chica on the moto is Catgirl, my Numero Uno.

Having no trouble finding guest friendly airbnbs near Parque LLaras. Usually a 50 k to 70 k fee. Going to book in the next couple of days. My question is, is the Parque area the best to be in for pure sex? Any hotels in the area that are guest friendly. I read that extra guest fees may apply but get no straight answer on how much or how many I can have. Also is there a particular slang for anal sex in Medellin?

Will be there for a week. A hotel I stayed in in Costa Rica, I could run into fellow mongers coming and going and have a beer and tell lies. Any such hotel here. I have heard of the Mansion but am more inclined to search on a larger field.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2731534]I absolutely hate the crabs in a barrel attitude when it comes to women that men have. Like there is some dire scarcity of women out there. In relation to this thread you ask simple questions or guidance and get the crab and barrel effect of no guidance and some dick telling you "just stay home brah. ". At face value very thinly veiled it looks as an attempt to preserve "my" safety but really it is an elitest post saying "I don't want to give any guidance because screw new adventures coming to my stomping grounds". Even if more adventurous coordinated and stuck together the experience would be safer.[/QUOTE]I think you failed to understand. However, it takes quite a bit of knowledge to grasp the deeper meaning behind "just stay home. ".

Safety, while picking up women for sex, in a foreign country, is a complex issue. Much of it depends on the individual. When people come along seeking simple answers to complex issues they seldom get an appropriate response. It has nothing to do with anyone protecting their hunting ground. It's an unwillingness to spend hours guiding someone through all the information he should have already discovered.

The best information I can give is "read the forum. " You will find answers to questions you didn't know you had. Start building a picture of what it's like. Once you know more you can ask better questions and you'll get better answers.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2731750]I have never given a chica a phone. I'm also aware of the epidemic of the cell phone black market. Which is why I bring extras everytime I come down to offset my vacation costs.[/QUOTE]You bring "extras" to offset your vacation costs.

What do cell phones have to do with vacation costs.

What are the "extras" your talking about?

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2731578]The whole "machismo" aspect of "I get girls to fuck for free with just my hard cawkkkk". Feels strong in this thread. There are those that seem well edtablished with evidence but like I said before the whole crabs in a barrel feeling between men is quite powerful which I find extremely obnoxious. There will never be a time when the average ham and egger 9 to 5 er in America will be like "lets go to Colombia" Because in any war torn country of the past there will always be dangers and 95 % of Americans or even Western Europeans can't handle an environment without extremely government over regulation to protect them from thier own stupidity and familiarity with a McDonalds to spoon feed them at every corner particularly in the US.

So this idea of needing to keep 2nd teir specific safety knowledge a secret aside from general knowledge is stupid. Obviously, there is 1st tier generalized safety knowledge but in an environment where crime is rampant and to a certain extent idealized. 2nd tier specific knowledge is invaluable.[/QUOTE]So go, get robbed, tell us where it happened, and we will have more 'second tier specific safety knowledge. ' Or you could RTFF. You say you find people on this thread 'obnoxious. ' So why don't you take a hike?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2731496]

If you think you will somehow profit from giving, you're almost certainly wrong. The only guaranteed return on your investment is that the girl will ask you for something else.[/QUOTE]How do you know, that other than speaking for yourself, from what another person profits? Does anyone here consider giving in its truest sense, when you really should not be concerned with the outcome? What if giving makes the giver intrinsically happy? Then, haven't they "profited"? Does there have to be a direct material benefit and result on your "investment"? Who says there has to be an ROI (Return on Investment) to justify the giving? An so on, and so on. . . Aren't these all personal decisions?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2731832]Having no trouble finding guest friendly airbnbs near Parque LLaras. Usually a 50 k to 70 k fee. Going to book in the next couple of days. My question is, is the Parque area the best to be in for pure sex? Any hotels in the area that are guest friendly. I read that extra guest fees may apply but get no straight answer on how much or how many I can have. Also is there a particular slang for anal sex in Medellin?

Will be there for a week. A hotel I stayed in in Costa Rica, I could run into fellow mongers coming and going and have a beer and tell lies. Any such hotel here. I have heard of the Mansion but am more inclined to search on a larger field.[/QUOTE]I have never heard of an Airbnb charging a chica fee. I think guests are either allowed, or not. There are various posts in this thread and in the "User blogs" section mentioning hotels and their guests policies.

The Mansion is the only hotel in Medellin similar to the gringo hotels in San Jose.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2731874]You bring "extras" to offset your vacation costs.

What do cell phones have to do with vacation costs.

What are the "extras" your talking about?[/QUOTE]I bring cellphones from the USA and sell them to people in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2731769]If you want to give away new $600 phones by all means do so. The critiques are simply aimed to introduce doses of reality for the reading audience. ......And not everyone who refuses to buy $600 gifts for hookers is pinching pennies, far from it, so scratch that one.

P.S. .......It's usually the pretenders that toss money around to draw attention to themselves, are constantly telling everyone how well to do they are, ..... [/QUOTE]While I don't think this is the case with Osteoknot, I will say that there is plenty of this behavior going on, particularly in Cartagena (look for 'making it rain' videos). It will become more widespread in Medellin before long, I'm sure.

[QUOTE=PolloNegro;2731650]

.... For kicks and giggles lets say you bought 40 phones into Colombia at a price tag of $1000 usd...

Now as Oste likes to say, Pollo, you are a true business man, I we have a running joke between us both. I just like to earn money when it is right in my face. So, imagine for every $25 usd you spend, someone pays you $175-$200 usd and you are saving them more than 50% on the price of the item in Colombia.

I won't beat a dead horse or explain the obvious, but there are some of us who are having a ton of fun in Medellin at a minimal price. I have been traveling to Colombia for 5 years, I now own a home, motorcycle, soon to buy a car, and who knows what is next. I paid attention, learned, paid my dues and stayed within the laws of Colombia and Medellin. If the loss of a couple of cell phones will have your underwear in a not, maybe you shouldn't be in the mongering game. You win some and you lose some. But you don't have to call your friendly board member a lie, because you are not able to accomplish what he is! Pollo Negro is out![/QUOTE]How are you able to bring in 40 phones at a pop? I've brought them, laptops, rare scotch in and re-sold to friends, but I always understood the limit was 3 or 4 phones before they tax you on the remainder. My luggage is also scanned 90% of the time. Am I missing something?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2731894]How do you know, that other than speaking for yourself, from what another person profits? Does anyone here consider giving in its truest sense, when you really should not be concerned with the outcome? What if giving makes the giver intrinsically happy? Then, haven't they "profited"? Does there have to be a direct material benefit and result on your "investment"? Who says there has to be an ROI (Return on Investment) to justify the giving? An so on, and so on. . . Aren't these all personal decisions?[/QUOTE]Exactly. You get the joy of giving. If giving doesn't bring you joy, chances are you get nothing at all.

Does anyone have any reports on girls in Medellin at the moment? I've gone back almost 6 pages and it's been about someone's thing with cell phones. Wouldn't this be better in Medellin chit chat and keeping this section to girls?

This looks much better than the chicken stand behind Veracruz Church or La Raza in the Nutibara. But serously, Sambombi is a winner, especially since they upgraded their wine list. El Botanico up the street next door to oci. Mde is really popular with tourists and punters. The food isn't nearly as good as Sambobmi or oci but no one will give a second glance no matter what kind of street urchin you bring in there. So it's a better choice for certain situations. I have to get more organized like you Surfer so I can reserve in advance and get a table at Sambombi. I usually default to Ammazza or Rocoto if I'm with a date and I can't get at table. You are right that the clientele is mostly Colombian. They get a fair amount of gringos who are foodie types rather than the random party crowd that are drawn like moths to a flame to whichever joint has the loudest DJ. Truth be told, most of the establishments in Provenza are bars or fast food joints that all blend into a blare of reggaeton and salsa. There are however 10 or so high quality spots like Sambombi.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2731557]Saturday I decided to spend the night in Provenza with one of my Chicas whom I call Tall because she is tall. I like others her have nicknames as well for my Chicas based on their attributes.

I booked a room in a boutique hotel in Provenza of which there are a lot of them all over the area. I've stayed in several of them and consider a lot of them to be Love Hotel's, not in the sense you rent them for short time, but some are totally set-up for fucking meaning there is a king size bed, flat-screen TV, and aircon. Some of them have lots of mirrors, and I especially like the see thru showers at some of them. Kind of like perhaps Deseo's in Centro over half a century ago as far as the latest and greatest. I wonder some times if any of the mirrors on the ceilings there have ever fallen off, I'm sure they have. I've taken Tall to Provenza before, and the first time she was asking me what the mini-split AC unit was, what the exhaust fan in the bathroom was, and in one new place what the fire sprinkler system was. Of course she loved shampooing her hair, with hot water, and had never used a hair dryer before on her long beautiful hair..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2731832]Having no trouble finding guest friendly airbnbs near Parque LLaras. Usually a 50 k to 70 k fee. Going to book in the next couple of days. My question is, is the Parque area the best to be in for pure sex? Any hotels in the area that are guest friendly. I read that extra guest fees may apply but get no straight answer on how much or how many I can have. Also is there a particular slang for anal sex in Medellin?

Will be there for a week. A hotel I stayed in in Costa Rica, I could run into fellow mongers coming and going and have a beer and tell lies. Any such hotel here. I have heard of the Mansion but am more inclined to search on a larger field.[/QUOTE]Pure sex? Why don't you stay in El Centro then?

Parque Lleras sucks. The park is under construction, the girls are still there, but not as many as before, be ready to pay 4-6 times El Centro rates (aka gringo rates). Talent is average or below average. Good luck!

You can bring in anything in any quantity. Your luggage is subject to x-ray or other inspection and, at the discretion of customs agents, undeclared items that are discovered are subject to fines and / or confiscation. I don't have a feel for how often that sort of thing happens. A customs agent once asked me how many laptops I had in my luggage. When I told him three, he asked if they were new. They weren't new and when I told him that he waved my along.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2731988]How are you able to bring in 40 phones at a pop? I've brought them, laptops, rare scotch in and re-sold to friends, but I always understood the limit was 3 or 4 phones before they tax you on the remainder. My luggage is also scanned 90% of the time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2731988]How are you able to bring in 40 phones at a pop? I've brought them, laptops, rare scotch in and re-sold to friends, but I always understood the limit was 3 or 4 phones before they tax you on the remainder. My luggage is also scanned 90% of the time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]He speaks spanish and its Colombia so anything is possible.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2732027]You can bring in anything in any quantity. Your luggage is subject to x-ray or other inspection and, at the discretion of customs agents, undeclared items that are discovered are subject to fines and / or confiscation. I don't have a feel for how often that sort of thing happens. A customs agent once asked me how many laptops I had in my luggage. When I told him three, he asked if they were new. They weren't new and when I told him that he waved my along.[/QUOTE]Not that this is anything to rely on, but last time in El dorado I went through the x-ray the person was reading a book and not even really facing the scanner. At another airport they didn't care about a bag being 3 kg over the weight limit.

[QUOTE=KrunkMan4;2731970]Perfect example of crabs in a barrel, men really need to treat each other better with the advent of mental health issues especially and a culture particularly in the US that tells women to see us as walking wallets this cdabs in a barrel stuff needs to stop.

Also, I doubt it would take hours to explain. Obviously, some issues are complex but I found the answer to most of my questions anyway, I did comb the forums, but a general question would be what are some of thenon obvious ways you can be poisoned.[/QUOTE]Leaving your drink unattended.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2732027]You can bring in anything in any quantity. Your luggage is subject to x-ray or other inspection and, at the discretion of customs agents, undeclared items that are discovered are subject to fines and / or confiscation. I don't have a feel for how often that sort of thing happens. A customs agent once asked me how many laptops I had in my luggage. When I told him three, he asked if they were new. They weren't new and when I told him that he waved my along.[/QUOTE]Yeah, my experience is the same as yours. I've been stopped flying into both the Dominican Republic and Argentina when I had 3 laptops. In both cases I had: 1) work laptop, 2) personal laptop), and 3) US purchased laptop for friend. Thankfully none were in the original box and they let me pass along after looking through my stuff and me insisting they were all for me. I imagine things would be different if I had 40 iPhones though as no plausible deniability. For that reason I never bring more than one or two extra phones for friends and always older used models.

There are lots of available girls here in Medellin. Some are more attractive than others and prices range from 30 K to 10 times that amount or more. That about covers it. You can search for maps or addresses. I think you will find some facebook profile links here as well.

[QUOTE=DaVinci40;2732002]Does anyone have any reports on girls in Medellin at the moment? I've gone back almost 6 pages and it's been about someone's thing with cell phones. Wouldn't this be better in Medellin chit chat and keeping this section to girls?[/QUOTE]

Your luggage gets scanned 90% of the time? Do you mean after you pick up your luggage, but before you exit the airport? I ask because I can't remember the last time I had my luggage scanned in MDE and I travel once a month. Wonder what there is about you or your luggage that begs for a scan. Or maybe I'm not following you.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2731988]How are you able to bring in 40 phones at a pop? I've brought them, laptops, rare scotch in and re-sold to friends, but I always understood the limit was 3 or 4 phones before they tax you on the remainder. My luggage is also scanned 90% of the time. Am I missing something?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2732126]Your luggage gets scanned 90% of the time? Do you mean after you pick up your luggage, but before you exit the airport? I ask because I can't remember the last time I had my luggage scanned in MDE and I travel once a month. Wonder what there is about you or your luggage that begs for a scan. Or maybe I'm not following you.[/QUOTE]Yeah, after I pick up my luggage from the belt there's sometimes someone checking if you have anything to declare and then a larger scanning machine. I think they probably wave over 50% of people, but for me it's much more than that. I've been to Cali 2 x this year and same thing. BAQ once and I don't recall if there was a scanner or not. I'm an unassuming early 40's guy usually dressed business casual. I guess I look suspicious LOL.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2732126]Your luggage gets scanned 90% of the time? Do you mean after you pick up your luggage, but before you exit the airport? I ask because I can't remember the last time I had my luggage scanned in MDE and I travel once a month. Wonder what there is about you or your luggage that begs for a scan. Or maybe I'm not following you.[/QUOTE]The last time I went in through MDE (in June), they were scanning all luggage. That was the first time they scanned my luggage in at least 10 trips.

I have a set of mental filters to try to eliminate fat or unfriendly girls.

- Fake tits, not only do I dislike fake tits, it's a sure sign that the girl has been around and / or has / had sponsors. Expect a mediocre experience at best.

- No face pics, with the quantity of FB chicas in MDE, why deal with the uncertainty of what she looks like.

- No body pics, only face pics, likely fat.

- No recent pictures, no story posts, possibly using old pics and have gained weight.

- If you don't like fat chicks, look for thick upper arms in the photos. This a tip from a girl. Photo filters can make a face look skinny but usually leave the arms alone.

- Pics of trips to countries abroad (usually Mexico, Dubai, parts of Asia), been around money before. Also home-bound mongers in those countries spoil them with $, may still be sponsoring them while the girls are back in Colombia.

9th of August.

I needed to release the tension of 2 days without fucking and I knew I would not last long. I chose the easy way of Zandaly.

Around 1 pm. 7 girls.

Girl: Natasha from Zandaly. She was the only one smiling.

Room with shower, top floor.

Session: shower, small talk, CBJ, girl on top, missionary, doggy, missionary, pop, small talk, shower.

Girl attitude: basic, just another workday. I offered her a drink afterward (while waiting for my uber) and she showed me videos of her twerking, funny.

Damage: 50 k /30 min.

10th of August.

Casa: calle 50#77 a-11 / nice and clean place, room with shower.

Girl: Sofia, 23 yo (small (1 m50) trigueña with nice big natural boobs, nice ass, cintura pequeña, nice face (for me) with high cheekbones, smiling, nice soft skin, some tattoos.

Photos: mileroticos "Sofía Flaca Tetona Natural Muy caliente" and photoprepagos "Sofía 310530 XXXX, hermosa flaca para pasar un rato agradable".

Reviews: on catadorcolombia Sofia 310530 XXXX (4 different ones).

Session: Shower, small talk, music, paja rusa me on top (very nice), nice wet kissing without tongue though (delicious plump lips), BBBJ, 69, girl on top facing me (nice view on her bouncing tits), slow and deep missionary (estrechita), doggy (nice view), 69 again, back to deep missionary, pop. Nice talking for the last 10 minutes.

Girl attitude: very GFE girl (except for the tongue while kissing), very smily and compliant, moves very well, wet kissing the whole session.

Damage: 140 k /1 hour + 40 k oral natural.

She also does 100 k / half an hour and 120 k / anal.

I might repeat with her and take the whole pack with anal. I really liked her attitude and body.

11th of August.

Casa: Urbanization California del Poblado, cra 41#24-131 / you have to ask the security guard to call for the girl before he lets you in, no ID check, first building, 10th (or 12th?) floor, nice and clean apartment, nice room with shower in front. There is another room with bathroom included. 4 girls working there but when I went (11 am) Nikolle was alone.

Girl: Nikolle Smith, 24 yo (1 m70 blanca with nice big fake boobs, nice ass, cute face (for me), smiling, nice soft skin, small peritonitis scar.

Photos: masajistaspaisas "Nikolle Smith New 313551 XXXX".

Reviews: on catadorcolombia Nikolle 313551 XXXX (2 different ones).

Session: Shower, small talk, music, sweet kissing without tongue and quite shy though, CBJ, 69, girl on top facing me (nice view of her tits) moving hard, missionary, doggy (nice view), missionary, pop, talk, shower.

Girl attitude: smily and compliant, moves very well and quite hard.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2732181] Since it's a serious topic let me just submit a couple things should be added to the "Lazy person's guide to safety in Medellin".

First don't go out and get as drunk as you would on a vacation in Las Vegas. Keep your wits about you. As someone from a rich country (most any country relative to Colombia) you are a target. Be aware of this fact always and don't let your guard down.

Second don't allow a chica to bring her amiga, prima or hemana (friend, cousin or sister) along to your apartment or hotel room. While at first it may sound like a sexual fantasy in reality it's often a common ploy to rob you one way or another. Keep it one chica at a time until you get to know them well enough that you trust them.

And lastly for new guys reading Osteo's posts just realize the chicas take care of him as he is "the golden goose that keeps on giving". So don't even think to try and replicate his style.[/QUOTE]Thanks Lucky Nuts and those are excellent additions to the "Lazy person's guide". They fulfil the dual purpose of excellent advice and they have been written about extensively in the forum.

Hello Guys!

I read last 50 pages of your reports of Medellin and I really appreciate your contribution.

My question is if you can be specific and let me know where to look for hot women in Medellin- I know this is subjective but still.

We know how 9/10 or 10/10 looks like for a majority of the guys. I just need a little direct guide in one post where to get hottest girls in.

Medellin.

I will be staying 10 days in Medellin in December. My Spanish is beginner. Medium (I basically understand everything just need to sharpen it a little bit till December).

I would say I am a quite attractive European guy and well situated so money isn't really the problem. Can you tell me where to look for best chicas.

Any particular club / disco, restaurant or should I try tinder. And what are hourly rate / day rate for good looking chicas so I don't get fooled.

I would really be grateful for your answer. And also do you think Medellin is the best place for mongering in Colombia?

Thank you dear friends!

While I tell you about my trials and errors en mde.

1) living here is a whole different game then vacation. Daily life is heavy here and I thank god for my privileges every day here.

2) in the 3 months I've been here. After 40+ dates and only sleeping with about 10 of them. I've finally gotten my harem.

3) chemistry is something that money can't buy and I'm about quality vs quantity.

4) the one in blue is a digital marketer for her father, the one in the middle is a future dentist in 2 years, the one on the right owns her own nail salon.

5) take time to get to know the girls you're fucking, invest in them emotionally / mentally / and obviously money. If you're able to connect with them at a emotional intelligent level. They will show you perspectives of medallo that even the richest person in the world will never get to experience. These girls showing me their families, inviting me to outings etc. Is something that money can't buy and google can't find.

5) shout out to Ricerocket999 for being my inspiration. Respect the Asian king of medallo. Long live the king!

Jajaja, other than it's not genuinely funny, I cannot tell you the number of times chicas will write me asking for money because "they have not eaten" and will include a foto at the same time that shows them obviously fattened up. Granted, they could be talking about short-term hunger.

I remember my last trip, the first time I saw Spanish Teacher who was telling me she did not have enough to eat for weeks and she had to be five kilograms fatter than when I first saw her.

GZGTG is being persistent about requesting money for food, including this morning, even though her pics also show weight gain since I left a little over a week ago. Funny how they don't seem to make that connection between the verbal and the visual.

Anywho, I have a fairly standard response in these situations: "I'm sorry, my love, you're going to have to help yourself the way you did before you met me". Doesn't stop them from asking again but that approach seems to keep the lines of communication open without pissing them off, which means they are still ready and anxious to fuck upon my return.

That's another thing I will say as enticement is to these chicas who ask for money, "You will only get money from me in person, next time after we have sex."

Of course, you can simply say no, but I believe in building relationships, not tearing them down. There's nothing to be gained by ever being insulting or degrading to these chicas. You can hang onto your wallet and keep the relationships running smoothly at the same time.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732187]I have a set of mental filters to try to eliminate fat or unfriendly girls.

- Fake tits, not only do I dislike fake tits, it's a sure sign that the girl has been around and / or has / had sponsors. Expect a mediocre experience at best.

- No face pics, with the quantity of FB chicas in MDE, why deal with the uncertainty of what she looks like.

- No body pics, only face pics, likely fat.

- No recent pictures, no story posts, possibly using old pics and have gained weight..[/QUOTE]I don't believe there is a correlation between fake tits and the experience you will have with the chica and here's why. First of all, it's not binary, there are great boob jobs and horrible ones. The Cadillac is under the muscles with virtually invisible scars in the anterior creases of both axillae. When you grab a boob you are not even touching the implant. They move and bounce naturally. Believe it or not, a lot of guys will not even know they are seeing and handling a boob job. This is what I bought my ex-wife and the only "criticism" she would get is "they might not be real because they look too good".

As for the "entry level" boob job, the "anchor cut". Huge scars. Chicas go for this because they don't have the money and they don't care as much what they look like nude. They are more concerned with their shape and figure under their clothes.

Also, in my experience a girl could just as well give exceptional performance after having "been around" as you put it. Depends on how she puts to use what she learned along the way, jeje.

Finally, the "fake tits" aversion a lot of guys have probably says more about the observer bias, than the chica who owns the tits.

Not trying to get you to change what works for you, just some additional feedback. I think boob jobs are probably the most polarizing physical feature on a chica for guys in general, not just for mongers, would you agree?

I judge the chicas who had boob jobs on a "boob by boob" case, jajajajaja.

I disagree a bit with the fake tits. One of my all-time favorites I met via FB has implants. So I think YMMV on implants and there are some good ones out there. Then again, I don't mind implants at all if they are well done. Also, the whole mileage thing doesn't really matter to me as long as she's cool. I want a girl who knows how to fuck and some experience helps in that department.

You do bring up some good physical things to look out for. I'd add that with filters, you should expect most of them to be darker than they look in their pictures. Also, I find you roll the dice a bit more with some of the nonpros that don't post bikini or underwear photos. Some may have C-section scars or stretch marks if they've had a kid. For me, that's not the end of the world, especially if you are fucking them for free / price of taxis.

Ultimately, I think their attitude and communication style is just as important. I've never had a bad time with a chica I met that promptly and consistently answered my chats or was happy to just chat for a while. I tend to avoid the ones that say Hello, and then answer your response two days later. You have to expect that they are all having five to ten conversations simultaneously. But if they are forgetting they are even talking to you they are either not very interested in you (if you are going for a nonpro) or are not very interested in working for you / your money (if you are going for a pro).

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732187]I have a set of mental filters to try to eliminate fat or unfriendly girls.

- Fake tits, not only do I dislike fake tits, it's a sure sign that the girl has been around and / or has / had sponsors. Expect a mediocre experience at best.

- No face pics, with the quantity of FB chicas in MDE, why deal with the uncertainty of what she looks like.

- No body pics, only face pics, likely fat.

- No recent pictures, no story posts, possibly using old pics and have gained weight.

- If you don't like fat chicks, look for thick upper arms in the photos. This a tip from a girl. Photo filters can make a face look skinny but usually leave the arms alone.

- Pics of trips to countries abroad (usually Mexico, Dubai, parts of Asia), been around money before. Also home-bound mongers in those countries spoil them with $, may still be sponsoring them while the girls are back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2732394]I disagree a bit with the fake tits.[/QUOTE]You are listing the exception not the rule. Most girls with boobs jobs are average at best. SO many girls like you to look and feel their boobs, but just a little. Most do not like you to really feel or suck on them like their tits should be admired from a distance.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732187]- If you don't like fat chicks, look for thick upper arms in the photos. This a tip from a girl. Photo filters can make a face look skinny but usually leave the arms alone.[/QUOTE]Look at their knees if possible. Bad photoshopped knees are hilarious.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732187]I have a set of mental filters to try to eliminate fat or unfriendly girls.

- Fake tits, not only do I dislike fake tits, it's a sure sign that the girl has been around and / or has / had sponsors. Expect a mediocre experience at best.

- No face pics, with the quantity of FB chicas in MDE, why deal with the uncertainty of what she looks like.

- No body pics, only face pics, likely fat.

- No recent pictures, no story posts, possibly using old pics and have gained weight.

- If you don't like fat chicks, look for thick upper arms in the photos. This a tip from a girl. Photo filters can make a face look skinny but usually leave the arms alone.

- Pics of trips to countries abroad (usually Mexico, Dubai, parts of Asia), been around money before. Also home-bound mongers in those countries spoil them with $, may still be sponsoring them while the girls are back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Right on the money sir. Very observant and this applies to any of the platforms the chicas frequent.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2732362]Living here is a whole different game then vacation . . . take time to get to know the girls you're fucking, invest in them emotionally / mentally / and obviously money. If you're able to connect with them at a emotional intelligent level. They will show you perspectives of medallo that even the richest person in the world will never get to experience. These girls showing me their families, inviting me to outings etc. Is something that money can't buy and google can't find.[/QUOTE]Well said. I have also received inspiration from the Asian King of Medallo (not sure what that means, jaja). The standards are different when you have your "harem" of long-term steadies who you trust and have built relationships. Once a chica trusts you and feels safe around you, the experiences are truly loving and special. Good for you. You sound happy and that's who I am usually going to notice when it comes to modeling behaviors.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2732399]You are listing the exception not the rule. Most girls with boobs jobs are average at best. SO many girls like you to look and feel their boobs, but just a little. Most do not like you to really feel or suck on them like their tits should be admired from a distance.[/QUOTE]Sounds like personal bias from too small a sample size, to me. Just guessing but that's what it sounds like.

I have a large, statistically significant sample size and I would have to report nearly opposite results. Perhaps there are other reasons for this discrepancy but I can't think of one off the top of my head.

Like I posted before, boob jobs, a very polarizing topic.

Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

I didn't want to walk back the same way so went looking for a safer route. I knew the general direction towards which I should be going and just followed the crowd from Plaza Minorista, bunch of home supplies shops around, tiles, chairs etc. Relatively clean and no homeless. About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking.

There was a short and empty street. I noticed the guy is back walking alongside me, he waved and came close. He put his arm around my neck to give me friendly 'hug', more like a strong squeeze. I jiggled out of it and continued walking. He asked for money with no so friendly look now. OK so it's like that then, I better get the fuck out of this situation ASAP. I stalled to buy some time and eventually gave him some 2's I keep loose in my pocket and picked up my pace, hoping he'll piss off. He wasn't satisfied. He started pointing to a wallet in my pocket. I decidedly said no. He tried to take off my backpack, but I didn't allow him, pushing his hands back on couple attempts. Some random guy carrying big black trash bag walked nearby curiously observing the scene, he didn't look homeless just like a local (the would be robber too BTW, he wasn't wearing rugs just normal clothes and a cap).

We are out the quiet street now. I stopped in front of one of the hardware shops with the shopkeeper moving his stuff around. We were standing there three of us, the robber then wanted to use my phone 'for a minute'. I repeatedly said 'no' with 'no fucking way, period' attitude and we were just staring at each other. He tied to pull it out form my pocket. Again, I pushed off his attempts.

After a while he went couple meters forward and waited with the guy which was carrying a trash bag. Then they disappeared somewhere but I knew they are waiting. The shopkeeper shrugged his shoulders and went back to doing his stuff. I noticed another shop in the opposite direction and darted that way. Surely, the guy was soon next to me. I stopped next to the shopkeeper and a customer, again said 'no' to the guy and waved for him to go the fuck away. He walked away and I lost sight of him.

I was getting closer to the crowds, halfway between Carrera 53 and 52 on Avenida de Greiff I noticed him again on the other side of the street, walking parallel and looking at me. He then started his attempt to cross the street to cut me off and I decide to cross as well to avoid that and join the crowds on the other side. We meet on a little concrete patch in the middle of the Avenida de Greiff and he attempts again to pull out my phone and I push him back. I run across the street just before the traffic starts to move, so he's cut off now.

Finally he catches up with me on the crosswalk between the corner of Carrera 52 and Plaza Botero but gives up another attempt. We exchange not so friendly looks as he walks north on Carrera 52 and blends with the crowd. Taxi driver standing next to his car points at him and asks me what's going on. Not sure how to explain it, I just say 'Celural. Puta. ', seemed he understood. I'm in no mood for play so move thought the crowds to Parque Berrio station and catch a metro back home.

Fuck. If he had a knife or decide to hit me in the face I'd be probably done for, since he was stronger than me. Clearly he wasn't prepared or too sure of himself but saw an opportunity. I don't dress fancy; sneakers, blue jeans, simple t-shirt and no jewellery nor a watch, but there is no mistaking me for a local either.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

I didn't want to walk back the same way so went looking for a safer route. I knew the general direction towards which I should be going and just followed the crowd from Plaza Minorista, bunch of home supplies shops around, tiles, chairs etc. Relatively clean and no homeless. About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking.

There was a short and empty street. I noticed the guy is back walking alongside me, he waved and came close. He put his arm around my neck to give me friendly 'hug', more like a strong squeeze. I jiggled out of it and continued walking. He asked for money with no so friendly look now. OK so it's like that then, I better get the fuck out of this situation ASAP. I stalled to buy some time and eventually gave him some 2's I keep loose in my pocket and picked up my pace, hoping he'll piss off. He wasn't satisfied. He started pointing to a wallet in my pocket. I decidedly said no. He tried to take off my backpack, but I didn't allow him, pushing his hands back on couple attempts. Some random guy carrying big black trash bag walked nearby curiously observing the scene, he didn't look homeless just like a local (the would be robber too BTW, he wasn't wearing rugs just normal clothes and a cap).[/QUOTE]Scary stuff. Why wouldn't you immediately call an Uber or flag down a cab the first time you stopped at the shop?

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

I didn't want to walk back the same way so went looking for a safer route. I knew the general direction towards which I should be going and just followed the crowd from Plaza Minorista, bunch of home supplies shops around, tiles, chairs etc. Relatively clean and no homeless. About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking.

There was a short and empty street. I noticed the guy is back walking alongside me, he waved and came close. He put his arm around my neck to give me friendly 'hug', more like a strong squeeze. I jiggled out of it and continued walking. He asked for money with no so friendly look now. OK so it's like that then, I better get the fuck out of this situation ASAP. I stalled to buy some time and eventually gave him some 2's I keep loose in my pocket and picked up my pace, hoping he'll piss off. He wasn't satisfied. He started pointing to a wallet in my pocket. I decidedly said no. He tried to take off my backpack, but I didn't allow him, pushing his hands back on couple attempts. Some random guy carrying big black trash bag walked nearby curiously observing the scene, he didn't look homeless just like a local (the would be robber too BTW, he wasn't wearing rugs just normal clothes and a cap).[/QUOTE]Sorry you had to go through that man.

Its shocking that he kept coming back even when you tried to blend into the crowd multiple times.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732187]I have a set of mental filters to try to eliminate fat or unfriendly girls.

- Fake tits, not only do I dislike fake tits, it's a sure sign that the girl has been around and / or has / had sponsors. Expect a mediocre experience at best.

- No face pics, with the quantity of FB chicas in MDE, why deal with the uncertainty of what she looks like.

- No body pics, only face pics, likely fat.

- No recent pictures, no story posts, possibly using old pics and have gained weight.

- If you don't like fat chicks, look for thick upper arms in the photos. This a tip from a girl. Photo filters can make a face look skinny but usually leave the arms alone.

- Pics of trips to countries abroad (usually Mexico, Dubai, parts of Asia), been around money before. Also home-bound mongers in those countries spoil them with $, may still be sponsoring them while the girls are back in Colombia.[/QUOTE]Finally some informative post after pages of BS regarding baggage scanning and iPhones. I can add a few more points to your list. If a chica in question has very few pictures, I always politely ask for more pics or a social media account, preferably Instagram. If she sends me an additional selfie or two, and no full body pics, or no Insta, I wish her all the best and end the conversation. Happened to me sooo many times. She has a few selfies on SA or FB, I ask for more pics, she sends me more selfies which are almost the same as the ones she posted (wtf? Good point about upper arms, also look for thick waist. I also avoid chicas with blurry or low quality photos. I understand they have shitty phones, but this is not my problem, if she sells pussy online or wants to date / find a SD, she has to have good clear pics, period. Pics of trips to countries abroad. This could be a good or a bad thing. Good thing is that she would have plenty of pics of high quality, and some stories and videos, so her looks may be assessed correctly. Bad thing is that she might be spoiled and not interested in meeting. Some guys would not even give it a try, thinking, oh, she is probably high maintenance or her rates are too high. Or thinking she is too hot for them. I don't give a shit, I message all the hot girls I can find, and see what happens. Because I have nothing to lose. In most cases, they don't even respond, or indeed, ask for too much money, but I was lucky enough to meet a few whose rates were reasonable despite the image of a "luxury, high maintenance girl", so there is always a chance of hitting a jackpot, but you got to try.

Video chat with no filters or move on is my advice. It's so time consuming to wait around and then find out the girl is underwhelming.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2732540]Finally some informative post after pages of BS regarding baggage scanning and iPhones. I can add a few more points to your list. If a chica in question has very few pictures, I always politely ask for more pics or a social media account, preferably Instagram. If she sends me an additional selfie or two, and no full body pics, or no Insta, I wish her all the best and end the conversation. Happened to me sooo many times. She has a few selfies on SA or FB, I ask for more pics, she sends me more selfies which are almost the same as the ones she posted (wtf? Good point about upper arms, also look for thick waist. I also avoid chicas with blurry or low quality photos. I understand they have shitty phones, but this is not my problem, if she sells pussy online or wants to date / find a SD, she has to have good clear pics, period. Pics of trips to countries abroad. This could be a good or a bad thing. Good thing is that she would have plenty of pics of high quality, and some stories and videos, so her looks may be assessed correctly. Bad thing is that she might be spoiled and not interested in meeting. Some guys would not even give it a try, thinking, oh, she is probably high maintenance or her rates are too high. Or thinking she is too hot for them. I don't give a shit, I message all the hot girls I can find, and see what happens. Because I have nothing to lose. In most cases, they don't even respond, or indeed, ask for too much money, but I was lucky enough to meet a few whose rates were reasonable despite the image of a "luxury, high maintenance girl", so there is always a chance of hitting a jackpot, but you got to try.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511] About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. [/QUOTE]That above was your mistake. Just should have ignored and keep walking.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

Fuck. If he had a knife or decide to hit me in the face I'd be probably done for, since he was stronger than me. Clearly he wasn't prepared or too sure of himself but saw an opportunity. I don't dress fancy; sneakers, blue jeans, simple t-shirt and no jewellery nor a watch, but there is no mistaking me for a local either.[/QUOTE]Your very lucky, you encountered a rookie thief.

I know guys (gringos) that have had knives pulled on them in the middle of the day while walking along the glass covered walk way by the Veracruz Church.

And a lot of the Colombians / Venezuelans, both men and women in Centro carry knives to protect themselves.

Sorry to hear about what happened, at least you didn't get robbed, let alone sliced up.

You can never let your guard down anywhere in Colombia.

It's good that you posted about what happened to you, as it's a reminder of how easy it is to get jacked up in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2732577]Video chat with no filters or move on is my advice. It's so time consuming to wait around and then find out the girl is underwhelming.[/QUOTE]Video chat is not always an option, because they have shitty phones and slow internet / wifi.

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2732591]That above was your mistake. Just should have ignored and keep walking.[/QUOTE]Yes. Anyone who says 'Hello, my friend' is not your friend and you are not there to make friends anyway.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2732540]Finally some informative post after pages of BS regarding baggage scanning and iPhones. I can add a few more points to your list. If a chica in question has very few pictures, I always politely ask for more pics or a social media account, preferably Instagram. If she sends me an additional selfie or two, and no full body pics, or no Insta, I wish her all the best and end the conversation. Happened to me sooo many times. She has a few selfies on SA or FB, I ask for more pics, she sends me more selfies which are almost the same as the ones she posted (wtf? Good point about upper arms, also look for thick waist. I also avoid chicas with blurry or low quality photos. I understand they have shitty phones, but this is not my problem, if she sells pussy online or wants to date / find a SD, she has to have good clear pics, period. Pics of trips to countries abroad. This could be a good or a bad thing. Good thing is that she would have plenty of pics of high quality, and some stories and videos, so her looks may be assessed correctly. Bad thing is that she might be spoiled and not interested in meeting. Some guys would not even give it a try, thinking, oh, she is probably high maintenance or her rates are too high. Or thinking she is too hot for them. I don't give a shit, I message all the hot girls I can find, and see what happens. Because I have nothing to lose. In most cases, they don't even respond, or indeed, ask for too much money, but I was lucky enough to meet a few whose rates were reasonable despite the image of a "luxury, high maintenance girl", so there is always a chance of hitting a jackpot, but you got to try.[/QUOTE]A lot of the "luxury, high maintence girls" seem to be going to Cartagena where they can charge a higher rate then in Medellin. Or they are just completely leaving the country and making more money than they would ever get in Colombia regardless of the city. The pandemic and the ability to make money over the internet without ever having meet the guys face to face has changed the game some too.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

I didn't want to walk back the same way so went looking for a safer route. I knew the general direction towards which I should be going and just followed the crowd from Plaza Minorista, bunch of home supplies shops around, tiles, chairs etc. Relatively clean and no homeless. About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking. and we were just staring at each other. He tied to pull it out form my pocket. Again, I pushed off his attempts.[/QUOTE]You mention you were on degreiff walking back towards the botero area but was this dude following you from the area to the west as you were walking back?

I know this area you are talking about between like Prado and Minorista. Lots of homeless people and drug addicts and like zero police presence. There's a place where homeless people can go to shower its called servicios basicos DIA #2 or some shit like that. Lots of drugs and drug addicts in this area they smoke a drug called bazuko which is similar to crack. I've been thru there once but I had a vennie with me. Although I never had anyone try to mess with me like what you're describing, I did feel alot of bad vibes there.

I would not recommend walking through there alone. Probably not even with locals, there's nothing over there anyways unless if you wanted to buy drugs which I wouldn't recommend either.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation.[/QUOTE]It was at this moment that you fucked up. No need to even say Hello, to random dudes that approach you. The only thing they could possibly want is money. Just give them a look like leave me the fuck alone and keep walking.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

He started pointing to a wallet in my pocket. I decidedly said no. He tried to take off my backpack, but I didn't allow him, pushing his hands back on couple attempts.

Fuck. If he had a knife or decide to hit me in the face I'd be probably done for, since he was stronger than me. Clearly he wasn't prepared or too sure of himself but saw an opportunity. I don't dress fancy; sneakers, blue jeans, simple t-shirt and no jewellery nor a watch, but there is no mistaking me for a local either.[/QUOTE]Do you think you were targeted because you were wearing a backpack?

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2732591]That above was your mistake. Just should have ignored and keep walking.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I make it a point to not talk to any dudes in el centro. I don't even make eye contact or even pretend they exist.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2732637]Do you think you were targeted because you were wearing a backpack?[/QUOTE]This has happened a few times and have been reported here. Mostly around ground zero. The best thing to do is walk away when a local speaks Spanish to you in this situation.

Can anybody suggest me best clubs to find high end girls. Is there any specific restaurant or clubs where high class bitches go.

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2732618]You mention you were on degreiff walking back towards the botero area but was this dude following you from the area to the west as you were walking back?
[/QUOTE]I don't think so, it seemed like he just bumped into me then decided to try his luck in an empty street. I took de Greiff from Botero towards Minorista, spend around half an hour there and then went back using different route (couple blocks south off Minorista then east).

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2732618]
I know this area you are talking about between like Prado and Minorista. Lots of homeless people and drug addicts and like zero police presence. There's a place where homeless people can go to shower its called servicios basicos DIA #2 or some shit like that. Lots of drugs and drug addicts in this area they smoke a drug called bazuko which is similar to crack. I've been thru there once but I had a vennie with me. Although I never had anyone try to mess with me like what you're describing, I did feel alot of bad vibes there.
[/QUOTE]Yes, definitely not going to come back there, lots and lots of homeless and no police as you said. There are homeless all the way along de Grieff starting from Plazuela Nutibara west towards Minorista but it seems like the main encampment is there.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2732637]Do you think you were targeted because you were wearing a backpack?[/QUOTE]I don't think so, it wasn't a "HELLO EVERYONE I'm A TOURIST!" big backpack just a small one, black, simple and mostly empty, plus lots of locals are wearing backpacks too (the robber wore one as well). It was the white face that got me targeted.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2732683] The best thing to do is walk away when a local speaks Spanish to you in this situation.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RedMau5;2732591]Just should have ignored and keep walking.[/QUOTE]Agreed, I usually don't stop and haven't stopped for moment this time either (until the mentioned hardware shop) but he just kept walking along. I should've just keep my mouth shut and ignore him from the beginning, at least then he wouldn't know whether I speak Spanish or not.

Amazing post Amigo, thanks a lot for sharing your adventures. Always refreshing to read about actual happenings than the empty discussions. I wish you had a paid account so I could get in touch.

You seem to have good experience of prepagos. Please do keep on sharing some reliable ones. O am not having much luck with FB so this seems a much better and quicker route.

[QUOTE=Asitis;2732318]9th of August.

I needed to release the tension of 2 days without fucking and I knew I would not last long. I chose the easy way of Zandaly.

Around 1 pm. 7 girls.

Girl: Natasha from Zandaly. She was the only one smiling.

Room with shower, top floor.

Session: shower, small talk, CBJ, girl on top, missionary, doggy, missionary, pop, small talk, shower.

Girl attitude: basic, just another workday. I offered her a drink afterward (while waiting for my uber) and she showed me videos of her twerking, funny.
[/QUOTE]9th of August.

55 K seems to be a standard price at casas. The question is do you get DATY, DFK, BBBJ with it or is it better to offer extra $10 or another 55 K to have the full package?

Same question for street girls at centro. I understand it is mostly 30 +15 for hotel. But do you get above mentioned "perks" in this price or have to offer propina for having GFE?

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732740]I don't think so, it wasn't a "HELLO EVERYONE I'm A TOURIST!" big backpack just a small one, black, simple and mostly empty, plus lots of locals are wearing backpacks too (the robber wore one as well). It was the white face that got me targeted. [/QUOTE]You may be right but I'd still skip the backpack going forward. It's also gives them something to grab and try to sling you to the ground by. Thanks for sharing your story and glad you made out okay.

I've met girls with boob jobs including the one I mentioned who loved to have their nipples sucked and boobs played with and kissed. It comes down to the girl's personal kinks and your connection with her. What someone likes or dislikes sexually is not a logical thing. To give a good example I asked a nonpro I met this last trip if she'd let me cum in her mouth and she told me "gas no me gusta tomar leche en la boca" (yuck I don't like to have cum in my mouth). The funny part was that unasked she immediately proceeded to give me a rimjob and play with my ass until I came. The assplay especially isn't really my thing, but it definitely was hers as it was a recurring theme when I saw her the next time. So for her a guys cum in the mouth is disgusting but eating and massaging a guy's ass is a turn on. In contrast, another one of my amigas would be insulted if she didn't swallow my load or I didn't cum on her face. The fun for me is when you establish a good connection with them and find out what makes them sexually tick.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2732399]You are listing the exception not the rule. Most girls with boobs jobs are average at best. SO many girls like you to look and feel their boobs, but just a little. Most do not like you to really feel or suck on them like their tits should be admired from a distance.
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12th of August.

Casa: calle 50#77 a-11 / nice and clean place, room with shower.

Girl: Giyi (Mahidevran), 21 yo, Colombian, small (1 m58) blanca with nice firm small boobs, nice ass, cintura pequeña, cute face (IMO) without the piercings that day and with brackets, blue hair, smiling, nice soft skin, some tattoos. She looks like the photos, her face is definitely better. No kids.

Photos: mileroticos "HOLA SOY GIYI. AMANTE APASIONADA 21 AÑOS" and photoprepagos "Giyi, amante, apasionada, ardiente, joven why fantasiosa".

Reviews: on catadorcolombia Giyi 301457 XXXX (4 different ones).

Damage: 140 k /1 hour + 50 k oral natural. (She also does 100 k / half an hour and 40 k / para bajar (no anal.).

Session: she welcomed me at the door of the casa in black underwear and high heels shoes, seemed shy but smiling a lot. I followed her small ass to the room. I paid for the session and went for a quick shower. She came back to the room with my change. She offered a massage while getting naked. Sensual and soft massage, both sides of my body, skin to skin. She went for the BBBJ, slow with eye contact. She came to lie down next to me and we kissed, no DFK (I tried) but I sucked on those lips while fondling her petite body. I massaged her clit for a while still kissing and she got wet. She went back to blow me and put the condom on. She went on me girl on top and began to move nicely, moaning softly. I could not stop fondling and sucking her breast. We went on in missionary, slow and deep. She is tight. She was looking for my lips now (still no DFK though), moaning a lot softly, her hands all over my body. We continued with doggy from slow to hard, going deep. I was close to come and decided to go back to missionary. I came in this position with more kissing. There was still 10 minutes to go that we spent talking, my hands gently fondling her body. Sweet.

Girl attitude: sweet petite GFE neña (except for the DFK, smooth and wet kissing the whole session though). Very compliant, sort of submissive.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2732536]Why wouldn't you immediately call an Uber or flag down a cab the first time you stopped at the shop?[/QUOTE]No taxis in sight there just a street with barely any people and I was in front of the the shop not inside, to have a witness (I gave it a quick glance but didn't notice any inside waiting area nor people there, just bunch of stuff kind of randomly arranged) . I was very close to the safer and more crowded area at this point ('almost there') and calling an Uber didn't occur to me. Plus I couldn't pull out the phone either with him actively trying to steal it, he'd just snatch it in a second an be gone, but in retrospect there was moment of rest when I could try to do it, I was just more focused on watching the surroundings and figuring my next move. Finding a shop and waiting inside for an Uber is definitely a good idea and good way to go about it though, especially that many of the shops have cameras which should serve as additional deterrent.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732782]No taxis in sight there just a street with barely any people and I was in front of the the shop not inside, to have a witness (I gave it a quick glance but didn't notice any inside waiting area nor people there, just bunch of stuff kind of randomly arranged) . I was very close to the safer and more crowded area at this point ('almost there') and calling an Uber didn't occur to me. Plus I couldn't pull out the phone either with him actively trying to steal it, he'd just snatch it in a second an be gone, but in retrospect there was moment of rest when I could try to do it, I was just more focused on watching the surroundings and figuring my next move. Finding a shop and waiting inside for an Uber is definitely a good idea and good way to go about it though, especially that many of the shops have cameras which should serve as additional deterrent.[/QUOTE]Into the nearest store, yell ladron, and try to find something to defend yourself with. A shopkeeper may or may not feel obligated to help you, but no mistaking the guy had intentions of robbing you but not making a scene.

This is why Medallo will never become Pattaya or the Philippine's. It can still be very dangerous, especially to the major mongering demographic (40+, white, westerners).

It will only get worse as the economic situation worsens and people get more desperate.

Keep your eyes peeled and leave the phones and jewelry at home. Stay safe.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

Fuck. If he had a knife or decide to hit me in the face I'd be probably done for, since he was stronger than me. Clearly he wasn't prepared or too sure of himself but saw an opportunity. I don't dress fancy; sneakers, blue jeans, simple t-shirt and no jewellery nor a watch, but there is no mistaking me for a local either.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2732786]Into the nearest store, yell ladron, and try to find something to defend yourself with. A shopkeeper may or may not feel obligated to help you, but no mistaking the guy had intentions of robbing you but not making a scene.[/QUOTE]Definitely. I've added 'ladron!' to my dictionary as soon as I came home.

It would be good to have an expandable pocket baton or a pepper spray for such 'occasions'. Not that those would help if I'd meet a professional (I'd be probably hit in the head before I could realise what's even happening and all the stuff gone). I was lucky the guy didn't pull out anything and wasn't very fast and decisive in his approach.

What did you learn from the incident?

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

I decided to check out Plaza Minorista around lunch time. Followed Avenida de Greiff. Starting from Plazuela Franciso Antonio Zea the area gets rough, full of trash, and lots of homeless people, some even camping in tents, all like that right up until the roundabout next to Plaza Minorista.

I didn't want to walk back the same way so went looking for a safer route. I knew the general direction towards which I should be going and just followed the crowd from Plaza Minorista, bunch of home supplies shops around, tiles, chairs etc. Relatively clean and no homeless. About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking.

There was a short and empty street. I noticed the guy is back walking alongside me, he waved and came close. He put his arm around my neck to give me friendly 'hug', more like a strong squeeze. I jiggled out of it and continued walking. He asked for money with no so friendly look now. OK so it's like that then, I better get the fuck out of this situation ASAP. I stalled to buy some time and eventually gave him some 2's I keep loose in my pocket and picked up my pace, hoping he'll piss off. He wasn't satisfied. He started pointing to a wallet in my pocket. I decidedly said no. He tried to take off my backpack, but I didn't allow him, pushing his hands back on couple attempts. Some random guy carrying big black trash bag walked nearby curiously observing the scene, he didn't look homeless just like a local (the would be robber too BTW, he wasn't wearing rugs just normal clothes and a cap)..[/QUOTE]

When you are in a major metropolitan area in the middle of the day and you find yourself on an isolated street you have to get the fuck back to civilization as soon as possible.

This sort of area is known by security and law enforcement people as "no go zones. " It's a very reliable rule of thumb that there is safety in numbers.

A deserted area in an otherwise densely populated area is a major red flag. Next time, take the bus.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2732606]Yes. Anyone who says 'Hello, my friend' is not your friend and you are not there to make friends anyway.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2732683]This has happened a few times and have been reported here. Mostly around ground zero. The best thing to do is walk away when a local speaks Spanish to you in this situation.[/QUOTE]And yet mongers keep coming to El Centro. Alone, without any Spanish, and not knowing the lay of the land. Walking targets!

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732804]Definitely. I've added 'ladron!' to my dictionary as soon as I came home.

It would be good to have an expandable pocket baton or a pepper spray for such 'occasions'. Not that those would help if I'd meet a professional (I'd be probably hit in the head before I could realise what's even happening and all the stuff gone). I was lucky the guy didn't pull out anything and wasn't very fast and decisive in his approach.[/QUOTE]There's a shop that sells pepper spray on Calle 48 I believe right on side of the street after you cross oriental. It's the pedestrian street next to the edificio de policía nacional where all the police are always standing. The shop is on the right side with the police building on the left side and it's about half way down the block. Just ask for "espray de pimienta".

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2732536]Scary stuff. Why wouldn't you immediately call an Uber or flag down a cab the first time you stopped at the shop?[/QUOTE]Uber? Yeah, and book urslef a flight and Caribbean cruise while your at it! Haha.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732804]Definitely. I've added 'ladron!' to my dictionary as soon as I came home.
Not that those would help if I'd meet a professional (I'd be probably hit in the head before I could realise what's even happening and all the stuff gone). I was lucky the guy didn't pull out anything and wasn't very fast and decisive.[/QUOTE]Right. Not belittling your event but this happens in every major city around the world. I remember many years ago being targetted by some football hooligans. I felt no loss of pride by running as fast as I could to the safety of a large shop and calling the police. Not that the police would have helped you, but I imagine running at speed and a large shop could help.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2732536]Scary stuff. Why wouldn't you immediately call an Uber or flag down cab the first time you stopped at the shop?[/QUOTE]Going to guess that the op read the forum here, looked at the pics then decided Medellin is a regular mongering destination just a tad sketch, cruise around the city and things will be fine.

And if in trouble surely a local will be happy to assist.

Letting any stranger chat you up, touch, grab and repeatedly follow then request assets is a sign of inexperience and / or western thinking that as long as there is an embassy of my country around things will be aight.

"close enough to grab close enough to stab".

Even advanced mongers growing up in hoodsville USA don't have a snowballs chance against determined paisa muggers LOL.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2732836]There's a shop that sells pepper spray on Calle 48 I believe right on side of the street after you cross oriental. It's the pedestrian street next to the edificio de polica nacional where all the police are always standing. The shop is on the right side with the police building on the left side and it's about half way down the block. Just ask for "espray de pimienta".[/QUOTE]Thanks! I'll check it out.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2732856]Right. Not belittling your event but this happens in every major city around the world. I remember many years ago being targetted by some football hooligans. I felt no loss of pride by running as fast as I could to the safety of a large shop and calling the police.[/QUOTE]I agree, it does, and I do have some past experience with street criminals and football hooligans in 'european and safe' cities as well, but that was my first serious encounter in Medellin and took me by surprise.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2732856]Not that the police would have helped you, but I imagine running at speed and a large shop could help.[/QUOTE]Provided he doesn't run faster than me or trips me up (not great falling on concrete), remember, he was next to me, and looked quite strong and healthy. In retrospect he turned to be somewhat shy in front of other people and didn't seem to want to make a scene so it might've worked.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2732809]What did you learn from the incident?[/QUOTE]Still processing but in general to be careful where I walk alone, don't take unnecessary risks and be more cold towards 'friendly strangers' (though I'm not overly friendly already but usually do respond with something while continuing walking, even if it's a simple 'no, gracias') Would it help here if ignored the guy and didn't say a word? Probably.

I already knew to avoid empty streets and turned back several times in the past when didn't like the vibe of the place, I should've turn around this time as well but I was so close to the civilization (and I was mostly part of the crowd on the way) it seemed unnecessary.

Knowing Spanish would definitely come in handy as well (new additions to my vocabulary: ludron, ayuda, hijo de puta, vete a la mierda).

Having some means of defending oneself like a pepper spray could be good too, if all else fails (but one better know how to use it and not fumble, otherwise the tools might end up in the attacker's hands).

Best not to carry a backpack if not necessary nor many valuables, a bit difficult not to carry the apartment keys / card and the phone though. Yes, it was a cheap phone and I have 3 more as backups but it would've still caused me some hassle to replace and loose the stuff in there (plus fuck that guy, you are not getting my phone asshole). In a prefect word it would be best to carry a 'true' burner that one doesn't give a damn about loosing.

I didn't carry much cash and left the ATM card at home. There wasn't anything valuable in backpack either, but still, it was more of a principle of the thing at that point not the cash value and I seriously doubt he'd be satisfied with just a backpack anyway if I'd give in to the demands.

Also, it would've been a good idea to carry some backup cash hidden somewhere. Because if he'd rob me blind, I'd be in very dire situation without any cash, phone, apartment keys and very basic Spanish skills. I do have money belt but of course didn't wear it this time (a sock would do too though). Second set of apartment keys would be good as well.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732740] Agreed, I usually don't stop and haven't stopped for moment this time either (until the mentioned hardware shop) but he just kept walking along. I should've just keep my mouth shut and ignore him from the beginning, at least then he wouldn't know whether I speak Spanish or not.[/QUOTE]I speak zero Spanish, not of big stature. I've mongered alone (after dark) in Tijuana, Juarez, and Nuevo Laredo during the worse of times with all the crime and cartel killings. Same rule applies, completely ignore everybody until you hit your target (hooker). If you don't now by now, the different areas, they work together. From the beggars to the thieves and so on. Anybody that propositions you for anything, just ignore and keep walking as if they were stray dogs barking. It's the same as if you were in some club or outside and you had your intentions and sights set on a particular girl (a mark). You want something from her and try to start up a conversation to gauge her. She ignores you. No eye contact. Acts as if you don't even exist, but does not run. Only keeps walking. No even a single word. How would you feel?

"I don't want to mess with that one."

[QUOTE=Bill;2732875]Letting any stranger chat you up, touch, grab and repeatedly follow then request assets is a sign of inexperience and / or western thinking that as long as there is an embassy of my country around things will be aight.[/QUOTE]How can you stop the guy form following you though? I've been approached by many strangers here and didn't have any issues until now (either brushing them off or having a quick conversation without stopping) but if it's just the guy, you and no one else on empty street then what choice there is but to interact, acknowledge and observe him closely to gauge the intentions and see what he's doing? (Admittedly I should not have even be there in the first place).
Sprinting on every sign of approach doesn't seem like a viable solution since 99% of them are not attempted robberies (at least so far, hah)

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2732827]And yet mongers keep coming to El Centro. Alone, without any Spanish, and not knowing the lay of the land. Walking targets![/QUOTE]So are a lot of tourists with their phones out taking pictures.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732511]Some fucker just tried to rob me.

About two blocks from Plaza Botero a guy started walking next to me and struck up a conversation. Where am I from etc. He started in Spanish then switched to botched English. We exchanged couple friendly words, names, handshake, he said "Welcome to Colombia" and split to the right. I continue walking.

There was a short and empty street. I noticed the guy is back walking alongside me, he waved and came close. He put his arm around my neck to give me friendly 'hug', more like a strong squeeze.
[/QUOTE]Don't want to victim blame but why would you do this? What did you think would happen? Some people are so gullible and politically correct that they would tell an obvious thief where they're from, what they do for work, and anything else they would ask. Even come in close for a hug? Just absolutely unreal. You were a real pal!

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732888]How can you stop the guy form following you though? I've been approached by many strangers here and didn't have any issues until now (either brushing them off or having a quick conversation without stopping) but if it's just the guy, you and no one else on empty street then what choice there is but to interact, acknowledge and observe him closely to gauge the intentions and see what he's doing? (Admittedly I should not have even be there in the first place).
Sprinting on every sign of approach doesn't seem like a viable solution since 99% of them are not attempted robberies (at least so far, hah)[/QUOTE]If you don't want or need anything from a stranger, just put up a resting-*****-face, ignore them, and walk quickly by like you've got more important things to do. The moment you weren't anything but 100% cold to him, he knew you were a potential mark. Why's a random dude walking up to you in a foreign country, and striking up conversation with you when neither of you can speak each other's languages? Best case scenario he's trying to tout for some random bar where he wants to rip you off. Worst case he's trying to set you up to rob you. This isn't even a foreign country thing, even in Manhattan if some random person walks up to me and strikes up a conversation and I don't know them, if I can't get away from them (waiting for a subway or something) I am on high alert, and make it pretty clear immediately I have no desire to converse or interact with that person.

Hi all,

Newbie here, planning to go to Medellin later this month for a holiday. Planning to visit a few spots around different cities (Medellin, cartegana and Bogota in itinerary).

Was wondering if anyone have any tips for safe mongering. I am esp worried about the physical safety aspect.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732888]How can you stop the guy form following you though? [/QUOTE]'Lárgate!' works well.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2732747]Amazing post Amigo, thanks a lot for sharing your adventures. Always refreshing to read about actual happenings than the empty discussions. I wish you had a paid account so I could get in touch.

You seem to have good experience of prepagos. Please do keep on sharing some reliable ones. O am not having much luck with FB so this seems a much better and quicker route.

9th of August.[/QUOTE]Thanks Plan77.

Sorry about the account I screwed it up. But be sure I'll write the reports about the girls I went with (I have 3 in process).

If you want to explore online prepagos by yourself I recommend [URL]catadorcolombia.com[/URL]. IMHO it is quite good for online prepagos reports in Medellin, active and accurate. For Cali I would suggest [URL]doncolombia.com[/URL].

Enjoy and be safe Amigo!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2732848]Uber? Yeah, and book urslef a flight and Caribbean cruise while your at it! Haha.[/QUOTE]I'm not suggesting he pull his phone out in front of the guy and get an uber. Once he was in the relative safety of the store front and the guy left his immediate vicinity, walking into the store and getting an uber to come seems like a viable option.

Someone with an anthropology or biology background can probably get more out of this than I can but here's a small genetic study of the population of Medellin.

[URL]https://www.nature.com/articles/srep12376[/URL]

Some interesting points I was able to understand from this.

- From their small sample size, the average Medellin person is 74.6% European, 18.1% Native American (Asian), 7. 3% African.

- Eyeballing the chart in figure 1, most people stay above 70% European genetics and under 10% African, but the NA / Asian component is pretty constant.

- The NA / Asian component mostly comes from the mother's side, European component comes from the father's side (result of European conquest of the Americas).

- 93.4% of the population of Medellin self-identifies as white.

Didn't care too much about the disease-resistance discussion in the paper.

The girl in blue is special. Nice find.

[QUOTE=PepolesBuddy;2732362]While I tell you about my trials and errors en mde.

1) living here is a whole different game then vacation. Daily life is heavy here and I thank god for my privileges every day here.

2) in the 3 months I've been here. After 40+ dates and only sleeping with about 10 of them. I've finally gotten my harem.

3) chemistry is something that money can't buy and I'm about quality vs quantity.

4) the one in blue is a digital marketer for her father, the one in the middle is a future dentist in 2 years, the one on the right owns her own nail salon.

5) take time to get to know the girls you're fucking, invest in them emotionally / mentally / and obviously money. If you're able to connect with them at a emotional intelligent level. They will show you perspectives of medallo that even the richest person in the world will never get to experience. These girls showing me their families, inviting me to outings etc. Is something that money can't buy and google can't find.

5) shout out to Ricerocket999 for being my inspiration. Respect the Asian king of medallo. Long live the king![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Chilller;2732911]Don't want to victim blame but why would you do this? What did you think would happen? Some people are so gullible and politically correct that they would tell an obvious thief where they're from, what they do for work, and anything else they would ask. Even come in close for a hug? Just absolutely unreal. You were a real pal![/QUOTE]A lot of this is Monday morning quarterbacking. Sometimes you just get got, it happens. What of instead of being somewhat polite he ignored him and the person took offense and attacked? Would the suggestions be "Just say no gracias. "?

If someone comes over and puts their arm around you then you'd most likely do what this person did and wriggle away. I know that's what I'd do. This was less about being PC and more about being targeted as someone who would give them what he was after.

I'd also caution against escalation. I think everyone would love to meed out justice, I know I would, but there is a serious risk of injury in fighting back, especially with a weapon. Instead of losing a hundred dollars you'd get into a violent confrontation with who knows what kind of consequences.

I'm glad this person shared his story and hopefully will make others more cautious about going into "no-go zones". Hopefully I don't experience anything like this, but if I do then I hope I'm able to get out of it as good as this guy did.

[QUOTE=Asitis;2732778]12th of August.

Casa: calle 50#77 a-11 / nice and clean place, room with shower.

Girl: Giyi (Mahidevran), 21 yo, Colombian, small (1 m58) blanca with nice firm small boobs, nice ass, cintura pequea, cute face (IMO) without the piercings that day and with brackets, blue hair, smiling, nice soft skin, some tattoos. She looks like the photos, her face is definitely better. No kids.

Photos: mileroticos "HOLA SOY GIYI. AMANTE APASIONADA 21 AOS" and photoprepagos "Giyi, amante, apasionada, ardiente, joven why fantasiosa".

Reviews: on catadorcolombia Giyi 301457 XXXX (4 different ones).

Damage: 140 k /1 hour + 50 k oral natural. (She also does 100 k / half an hour and 40 k / para bajar (no anal.).

Session: she welcomed me at the door of the casa in black underwear and high heels shoes, seemed shy but smiling a lot. I followed her small ass to the room. I paid for the session and went for a quick shower. She came back to the room with my change. She offered a massage while getting naked. Sensual and soft massage, both sides of my body, skin to skin.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this report!

I have almost a hundred FB "Friends" but I don't know if any of them will want to meet up. Your detailed reports on these women are very appreciated!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2732856]Right. Not belittling your event but this happens in every major city around the world. I remember many years ago being targetted by some football hooligans. I felt no loss of pride by running as fast as I could to the safety of a large shop and calling the police. Not that the police would have helped you, but I imagine running at speed and a large shop could help.[/QUOTE]Hey,

Hope you are doing well. I can't send a personal message. Enjoyed going to Govinda's with you in the afternoons this summer. I'd run like a bat out of hell if I was a target.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2732782]No taxis in sight there just a street with barely any people and I was in front of the the shop not inside, to have a witness (I gave it a quick glance but didn't notice any inside waiting area nor people there, just bunch of stuff kind of randomly arranged) . I was very close to the safer and more crowded area at this point ('almost there') and calling an Uber didn't occur to me. Plus I couldn't pull out the phone either with him actively trying to steal it, he'd just snatch it in a second an be gone, but in retrospect there was moment of rest when I could try to do it, I was just more focused on watching the surroundings and figuring my next move. Finding a shop and waiting inside for an Uber is definitely a good idea and good way to go about it though, especially that many of the shops have cameras which should serve as additional deterrent.[/QUOTE]I am familiar with the area, and probably the street you were on. In that area calling an Uber would not work, nor is a taxi likely to be close. Plus you have seconds to act, not time to pull out a phone even. That is if you could not get inside a shop that might be safer at least. Locals are as likely to just watch as to help you, but if you were very loud and created a scene it might help scare the guy off. Or he might just pull a gun and shoot you or a knife and stab. That also is not uncommon in Medellin during robberies, so I guess you were lucky that it was a robber that was trying to con you as he robbed you, or in order to rob you.

All the points you made are valid but you did not mention the one that is for me the most important. Don't walk through an area where taxistas routinely roll up their windows, lock their doors, and avoid stopping even at red lights at night. Risk versus reward, it makes no sense to be there.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2733011]A lot of this is Monday morning quarterbacking. Sometimes you just get got, it happens. What of instead of being somewhat polite he ignored him and the person took offense and attacked? Would the suggestions be "Just say no gracias. "?

If someone comes over and puts their arm around you then you'd most likely do what this person did and wriggle away. I know that's what I'd do. This was less about being PC and more about being targeted as someone who would give them what he was after.

I'd also caution against escalation. I think everyone would love to meed out justice, I know I would, but there is a serious risk of injury in fighting back, especially with a weapon. Instead of losing a hundred dollars you'd get into a violent confrontation with who knows what kind of consequences.

I'm glad this person shared his story and hopefully will make others more cautious about going into "no-go zones". Hopefully I don't experience anything like this, but if I do then I hope I'm able to get out of it as good as this guy did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tasss;2732992]Someone with an anthropology or biology background can probably get more out of this than I can but here's a small genetic study of the population of Medellin.

Some interesting points I was able to understand from this.

- From their small sample size, the average Medellin person is 74.6% European, 18.1% Native American (Asian), 7. 3% African.

- 93.4% of the population of Medellin self-identifies as white.

[/QUOTE]Interesting find. Maybe I skim read it too quickly but smthg caught my eye:

"93.4% of the population of Medellin was classified as Euro-descendent, whereas 6. 5% of individuals identified as Afro-Colombian and only 0. 1% identified as Native American36. These demographic data are based on self-identification and reflect the ethnic groups that individuals consider themselves to be members of. Thus, it would appear that the vast majority Colombians from Medellin identify as white".

This strikes me as a very broad leap to make for a study of the Nature (geddit? We all know that European has never meant white. We all know that Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, East Europeans have all suffered prejudice from not being white (depsite some being as white as can be).

Did I miss smthg here? I can understand that many Colombians will recognise their Spanish ancestrty, but that is a stretch to claim that they self-identify as white.

[QUOTE=DuskyIndian;2732917]Hi all,

Newbie here, planning to go to Medellin later this month for a holiday. Planning to visit a few spots around different cities (Medellin, cartegana and Bogota in itinerary).

Was wondering if anyone have any tips for safe mongering. I am esp worried about the physical safety aspect.[/QUOTE]Why do you worry about your physical safety?

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2733011]I'd also caution against escalation. I think everyone would love to meed out justice, I know I would, but there is a serious risk of injury in fighting back, especially with a weapon. Instead of losing a hundred dollars you'd get into a violent confrontation with who knows what kind of consequences.[/QUOTE]Very true. It can get real ugly real fast. The risks and potential injuries are not worth it. I was trying to stall as long as possible, gauge the guy's desperation level and not to escalate. But the more he was pressing on, the more adrenaline I was getting myself, becoming more angry and agitated each minute and it was increasingly difficult to remain calm and reasonable, there were moments at the end where I was extremely close to the edge of throwing it down with him but I'm sure glad I didn't.

I've got couple years of muay-thai training under my belt and similar time spent playing full-contact rugby but I always avoid street scraps even if it makes me look 'weak'. So far I've been able to do it (knock on wood).

I admit I've always had somewhat friendly disposition which sometimes resulted in some unwarranted attentions from some people that considered it a weakness and needed their assumptions corrected the hard way but I never initiate the violence myself, only for self-defence and extremely reluctantly at that, as last resort, if all other options are completely exhausted and I feel my back pressed against the wall with no other way out. If there would be two guys I wouldn't even dream on attempting anything besides running.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2733017]I am familiar with the area, and probably the street you were on. In that area calling an Uber would not work, nor is a taxi likely to be close. Plus you have seconds to act, not time to pull out a phone even. That is if you could not get inside a shop that might be safer at least. Locals are as likely to just watch as to help you, but if you were very loud and created a scene it might help scare the guy off. Or he might just pull a gun and shoot you or a knife and stab. That also is not uncommon in Medellin during robberies, so I guess you were lucky that it was a robber that was trying to con you as he robbed you, or in order to rob you.[/QUOTE]Yes, I was afraid of a knife and watched his hands very closely. If he'd attempt to pull anything I would have no choice but to give up, throw the backpack and run. Either that or attack. I was lucky this time indeed.

Just pulled out a google timeline (attached). While tracking is not exactly 100% it's close enough. Marked the approximate point where the robbery attempt started.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2733030]Did I miss smthg here? I can understand that many Colombians will recognise their Spanish ancestrty, but that is a stretch to claim that they self-identify as white.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think the Colombian and Venezuelan concept of white is just not having brown skin. I asked one girl directly what her ethnicity is. She's got the classic olive skin tone that you'd see in much of southern Europe, something like Shakira. She calls herself white. A look at photoprepagos, filtering by piel blanca also you'll see that most of the results anyone coming from the USA would just label Latina or Hispanic.

14th of August.

Casa: Ellas Erotic, calle 44#90 a-49 / nice and clean place, room with shower.

Girl: Fernanda, 25 yo (Venezolana, 1 m65/1 m70 blanca with nice firm small boobs, nice ass, cintura pequeña, nice face with some light acne traces and provocative lips, vey long hair, smiling, nice soft skin, some tattoos. She is like the photos except for the skin texture of her face.

Photos: on mileroticos "fernanda-la-flaca-mas-rica-que-puedas-conocer-rostro-angelical /23296307/" and "la-flaca-mas-hermosa-rostro-angelical-cintura-pequena-cuerpo-armonioso /23519566/" + on ellaserotic search for Fernanda.

Reviews: on catadorcolombia "Fernanda 311700 XXXX" (2 different ones).

Damage: 130 k /1 hour + 50 k oral natural. (She also does 90 k / half an hour, no anal).

Session: she welcomed me at the door of the casa in black underwear and high heels shoes, very talkative and smiling. My two first thoughts were 1) wow she is really fit and 2) que cara de perra! So well I followed her to the room. She kissed me with her plump lips rubbing my pants and asked me to pay for the session, whe both laughed. I gave her the money, we talked a little and she started to kiss me again (no DFK but passionate) and helped me undress. She put on some music, came upon me, more kissing and went for the BBBJ, licking, sucking, some deepthroating (sort of) and eye contact. After a while I asked for 69 and she told me that she does not like it. Well I like DATY so I went down to her clit and sucked it good while fondling her tits. I went back to kiss her, my finger working her clit. Condom, missionary, changing the rhythm and the depth, kissed her and this time she initiated DFK, but she came back to her senses, and it was only plump and wet lips, LOL. She came on top in hardcore mode. When she calmed down I asked for doggy. She complied. Nice and deep while holding (gently) her hair. In the casa the music was loud and some chicas began to sing along, we both burst out laughing. We went back to business de lado this time but it quickly became like scissors position. My first time like this, really nice to get deep and fondle her tits in the same time. Missionary again for the final race and pop. We spent the remaining time talking, fondling and laughing.

Girl attitude: nice delgada GFE slutty face girl (except for the DFK accident, passionate "only lips" kissing the whole session). Very compliant. She likes to watch herself in the mirror. Her moans were sometimes too obviously fake though. For those who like slutty fit girls.

16th of August.

Casa: Ellas Erotic, calle 44#90 a-49 / nice and clean place, room without shower.

Girl: Mia Silver, 25 yo (or 27? Colombiana, 1 m61 blanca with fake boobs, long legs, nice ass, cintura pequeña, very cute face, smiling, nice soft skin, just one tattoo on her right ankle. She is like the photos, even better I would say. The size of her fake boobs seems somehow weird on her body.

Photos: on mileroticos "soy mía silver la mejor prepago de Medellin ven why date el gusto" + on ellaserotic search for Mia.

Reviews: on catadorcolombia "Mia Silver 324232 XXXX" (4 different ones, one is in English).

Damage: 150 k /1 hour + 40 k oral natural. (She also does 90 k / half an hour, 100 k / anal).

Session: she welcomed me warmly at the door of the casa in underwear and high heels shoes, very cute face and smaller butt that I had imagined. I followed her to the room. Once the door was closed she went straight for DFK while grabbing my dick. She asked me to pay for the session and went out to make some change. When she came back to the room DFK again, me fondling her, she turned to face the mirror and twerked on my dick. We threw our clothes away, me standing she knelt down on the floor, kissed and licked my dick and balls, she made me sit on the bed and went for paja rusa moaning like a pornstar "que rico, si, que rico", LOL. I then lied on the bed and she began to suck me hard and deep, put my legs on her shoulders her head between my thighs and she sucked even deeper and harder. Nice 69, licked her pussy and ass. Condom, me lying her on top moving fast and hard, she turned for backward cowgirl fast and furious again watching herself in the mirror, I felt she would break my dick and reduced the angle and the pressure by sitting, I withdrew and tongue fucked her ass, that naturally led to doggy position her moaning "mas, mas, dame duro". I had no grip with the bed sheets so we went on doggy with me standing outside the bed still fast and furious style. Short of breath I begged for a truce. We lied on the bed, me trying to catch my breath. I joked about her trying to kill me and we laughed. We talked a little while and my dick softened. More DFK and she explained that she likes her boobs to be squeezed hard, that it is not painful and actually arouses her. I was hard again. Missionary, slow, tight and deep for 20 seconds but the fast and furious came back, after a while I begged for another truce breathing like a fish out of the sea. My dick softened again. She began to stroke me, talking and DFK and I was hard again. Missionary again, I tried again to keep it slow and she turned again to fast and furious with more "dame duro, mas, mas" and inevitably I lost my breath again and I raised the white flag. We laughed about me dying in this casa in Medellin and the embarrassment for my family. She resumed to stroking me again, DFK and I was hard again. She told me I could cum on her tits if I wanted since we had only 5 minutes left. I went for the last round, missionary again. All the same again. This time I threw in the towel. No pop, half dead, catching my breath but happy. We talked and DFK. Knock on the door. We talked again. Knock again on the door. We got dressed. She walked me to the door of the casa, kiss and goodbye.

Girl attitude: perfect GFE with a really cute and fun girl. Very compliant. She is on the hardcore side of sex. Her moans were porn style too (not really my thing). She is not watching the clock. For those who look for the porn experience.

About Ellas erotic: Mia told me that a dozen girls work there. And if I understood well, you get a discount by booking the girl with the casa (110 k /1 hour instead of 130 k). This last part has to be crosschecked. The phone number of the casa is on their website. Well, she also told me it does not apply to her, LOL.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733058]Very true. It can get real ugly real fast. The risks and potential injuries are not worth it. I was trying to stall as long as possible, gauge the guy's desperation level and not to escalate. But the more he was pressing on, the more adrenaline I was getting myself, becoming more angry and agitated each minute and it was increasingly difficult to remain calm and reasonable, there were moments at the end where I was extremely close to the edge of throwing it down with him but I'm sure glad I didn't.

I've got couple years of muay-thai training under my belt and similar time spent playing full-contact rugby but I always avoid street scraps even if it makes me look 'weak'. So far I've been able to do it (knock on wood)..[/QUOTE]Did you go down what appears to be a super sketchy alleyway?

Approximate location:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Medell%C3%ADn[/URL], +Medellin,+Antioquia,+Colombia / at 6. 2533234,-75.5729127,18 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x8 e4428 dfb80 fad05:0 x42137 cfcc7 b53 b56!8 m2!3 d6. 2476376!4 d-75.5658153.

Entrance on Calle 52 a:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@6.2538017[/URL], -75.5717595,3 a,75 y,180 h,90 t / data=!3 m7!1 e1!3 m5!1 sW7 e6 PoBQ_MXLXl6 d8 TTOQg!2 e0!6's.

Exit on Carrera 55:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@6.2527378[/URL], -75.5713248,3 a,75 y,270 h,90 t / data=!3 m6!1 e1!3 m4!1 sH42 i8 w_1 y6 Da379 ukNp8 eA!2 e0!7 i16384!8 i8192.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2733017]I am familiar with the area, and probably the street you were on. In that area calling an Uber would not work, nor is a taxi likely to be close. Plus you have seconds to act, not time to pull out a phone even. That is if you could not get inside a shop that might be safer at least. Locals are as likely to just watch as to help you, but if you were very loud and created a scene it might help scare the guy off. Or he might just pull a gun and shoot you or a knife and stab. That also is not uncommon in Medellin during robberies, so I guess you were lucky that it was a robber that was trying to con you as he robbed you, or in order to rob you.[/QUOTE]The area you mentioned, especially down LaGrief, is lined with junkies at times sitting on the sidewalks shooting up.

Most definitely not a place for a foreigner to be walking around to began with, and pulling out a phone in that area.

Well it might almost be like fly's on shit, or bleeding in the Ocean and circled by sharks in that area.

Regardless, I think the ladron was a total amateur, meaning totally in-experienced as a robber.

And as far as working a con game, well I think brandishing a knife is more what occurs in a lot of the thefts, more so than the use of guns, on the streets.

I know two gringos that have had knives pulled on them by the Veracruz Church, and fortunately neither one of them got ripped off or sliced up.

Typically "robbers" want to rob as quickly as possible, versus following you around and pursuing you which sounds kind of like what was reported.

Quick question, I would normally read through everything but am in kind of a rush today.

I received the first two shots of the vaccine back before my trip in February. Well I never got the follow up booster shot.

Do I have to have the booster to be considered fully vaccinated in Colombia. If so I plan on getting it tomorrow. If not I wasn't going to worry about it.

Thanks in advance.

One thing I've always found that works especially in a foreign country where you don't speak the language is to act like you're dumb / mute, and mutter some mumbo jumbo. This only helps if you look like a local.

Responding in English was a bad idea and gave you away as a mark. If he had a weapon, he would have used it a lot earlier as it seems he may have been a desperate crack user.

Good luck and stay safe.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2733011]A lot of this is Monday morning quarterbacking. Sometimes you just get got, it happens. What of instead of being somewhat polite he ignored him and the person took offense and attacked? Would the suggestions be "Just say no gracias. "?

If someone comes over and puts their arm around you then you'd most likely do what this person did and wriggle away. I know that's what I'd do. This was less about being PC and more about being targeted as someone who would give them what he was after.

I'd also caution against escalation. I think everyone would love to meed out justice, I know I would, but there is a serious risk of injury in fighting back, especially with a weapon. Instead of losing a hundred dollars you'd get into a violent confrontation with who knows what kind of consequences.

I'm glad this person shared his story and hopefully will make others more cautious about going into "no-go zones". Hopefully I don't experience anything like this, but if I do then I hope I'm able to get out of it as good as this guy did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2733117]Did you go down what appears to be a super sketchy alleyway?

Approximate location:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/place/Medell%C3%ADn[/URL], +Medellin,+Antioquia,+Colombia / at 6. 2533234,-75.5729127,18 z / data=!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x8 e4428 dfb80 fad05:0 x42137 cfcc7 b53 b56!8 m2!3 d6. 2476376!4 d-75.5658153.

Entrance on Calle 52 a:

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/@6.2538017[/URL], -75.5717595,3 a,75 y,180 h,90 t / data=!3 m7!1 e1!3 m5!1 sW7 e6 PoBQ_MXLXl6 d8 TTOQg!2 e0!6's.

Exit on Carrera 55:.[/QUOTE]Looks like the forum software murdered my links. I don't see any options to use link or code tags to keep them whole. Oh well.

I saw a map here of the areas to stroll and the area to stay in but I forgot his name. I think it ended in a number. Senior member.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2733295]I saw a map here of the areas to stroll and the area to stay in but I forgot his name. I think it ended in a number. Senior member.[/QUOTE]World Travel 69.

[QUOTE=Miles21;2733269]Quick question, I would normally read through everything but am in kind of a rush today.

I received the first two shots of the vaccine back before my trip in February. Well I never got the follow up booster shot.

Do I have to have the booster to be considered fully vaccinated in Colombia. If so I plan on getting it tomorrow. If not I wasn't going to worry about it.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]No booster shots are required. You are considered fully vaccinated after getting one (J&J) or two (all others) shots.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2733320]No booster shots are required. You are considered fully vaccinated after getting one (J&J) or two (all others) shots.[/QUOTE]Much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2733293]Looks like the forum software murdered my links. I don't see any options to use link or code tags to keep them whole. Oh well.[/QUOTE]After your post is displayed, there is an "Edit Post" at the bottom of the box. If you go there, you can override the auto-correct done by the software. I don't know if it will allow a very long link. I haven't tried.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2733351]After your post is displayed, there is an "Edit Post" at the bottom of the box. If you go there, you can override the auto-correct done by the software. I don't know if it will allow a very long link. I haven't tried.[/QUOTE]Does anyone know how quickly they activate subscriptions?

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733302]World Travel 69.[/QUOTE]Beware of out of date entries. When in doubt check here for the latest.

[QUOTE=Zedoo;2733277]One thing I've always found that works especially in a foreign country where you don't speak the language is to act like you're dumb / mute, and mutter some mumbo jumbo. This only helps if you look like a local.

Responding in English was a bad idea and gave you away as a mark. If he had a weapon, he would have used it a lot earlier as it seems he may have been a desperate crack user.

Good luck and stay safe.[/QUOTE]I respond back in loud German, which tends to confuse them, but is believable as I look German. It's also an aggressive sounding language so they tend to back off.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2733432]I respond back in loud German, which tends to confuse them, but is believable as I look German. It's also an aggressive sounding language so they tend to back off.[/QUOTE]HABEN SIE ETWAS ZU VERZOLLEN? **scowl*.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2733351]After your post is displayed, there is an "Edit Post" at the bottom of the box. If you go there, you can override the auto-correct done by the software. I don't know if it will allow a very long link. I haven't tried.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing that's an option for senior members.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2733168]

Many of the guys here have experienced the benefits of establishing a deeper connection with the women they meet. However, it's not a requirement. The 3 F approach (find them, fuck them and forget them) works well.[/QUOTE]I have my serious novias and my wet mudholes. My serious novias are ranked and they know their position or ranking and not to get out-of-pocket. That's Krunk talk for if you are Number Five, you don't give Number Two, shit. And you bend your will to chicas with higher rankings. The whole point being my Numero Uno, Catgirl, never changes. The day my Numero Uno is no longer Catgirl, then there would no longer be any method to my madness in Medellin.

In the beginning, three years ago, when I realized that I found the girl of my dreams while at the same time not willing to give up other chicas, I used to have novias, amigas, chicas, and putas ranked in descending order on my List. Over time, the amigas became novias, the chicas became amigas and so forth. A natural progression of familiarity and comfort with the best chicas. So now if a chica is Top Five or Six, she is a novia. And the rest aren't. Very simple.

I absolutely do not recommend what I do as a system or suggest that it would work for anyone else but me, Catgirl, and those chicas who want to be on my List.

I planned very little if any of where I am now. My List formed itself teleologically. The way I see it in the long run, is there will be one roof under which I will live with many different chicas at the same time, with Catgirl as the reigning reina, but that remains to be seen. I call that a goal and not a plan.

What does this mean for the general readership here? Next to nothing. I didn't "plan" any of this. I landed here in 2019 not knowing Medellin was a mongering destination or the tussi capital of the world. I came here to be with Catgirl, and despite the mountain load of detractors, so far so good. Catgirl and I have never been closer.

I guess if there is a point to any of this it's one thing that I have been saying all along. In Medellin, anyone can develop their own hybrid model of what works for them and get their freak on for whatever makes them happy. I have never been anywhere among all seven continents I have visited where there are a wider variety of venues, in-person and on-line, from the most expensive nightclub chica, to the girl on the street and everything and any combination in between, to choose from in a relatively small geographical area.

Do your own Research and Development, or more accurately, RipOff and Duplicate and find out what works best for you. Don't get bogged down by what the guy to your left or to your right is doing. There's nothing wrong with modeling behaviors after other's perceived successes but chances are you best experiences will be found in a manner that is unique to you.

Random Gratuitious Fotos. Seven of the ten are Catgirl, my Numero Uno Novia. Five different chicas are shown, I had sex with four of them.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2733467]I'm guessing that's an option for senior members.[/QUOTE]Your guess is incorrect. 'Edit Post' is available to me and I am not a senior member.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2733653]Your guess is incorrect. 'Edit Post' is available to me and I am not a senior member.[/QUOTE]I think the option becomes available after certain post-count when the posts are not admin-approved any more.

I had my first hot shower in centro short-time room (strip clubs included) and it made me feel so welcomed compared to the cold and aggressively hissing water in other places I almost shed a tear. Popped my head out and yelled to my chica, Agua! Agua caliente! She cracked up.

After we finished our session I was getting excited at the thought of jumping back in. Here were go baby, let's make love! . . . Baby? . . . ? No. . . It can't be. Am I turning this thing correctly? No water! Oh the humanity! You maniacs you blew it up!

Turned out there was something with the pipes, there was an uncovered hole on the sidewalk just in front of the entrance waiting for a plumber to get it, very easy to fall in if someone is not careful.

Fortunately, I had alcohol wipies.

I thought I got used to the cold water by now and don't really mind it, but the hot shower before the session just felt so good and put me in much better mood for the session as well.

Zona Rosa, 13 mil.


Went for a coffee. Some kind of fight broke out close to the plaza corner of the museum. A lot of commotion but hard to see anything with all the crowds. Then it moved west towards the other corner. Crowds following it, fat putas running towards it as if the monger bus had just arrived. Police on their motorbikes was there couple minutes later and soon after the excitement seem to have ended.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733716]I had my first hot shower in centro short-time room (strip clubs included), and it made me feel so welcomed compared to the cold and hissing water in other places I almost shed a tear. Popped my head out and yelled to my chica, Agua! Agua caliente! She cracked up.

After we finished our session I was getting excited at the thought of jumping back in. Here were go baby, let's make love! . . . Baby? . . . ? No. . . It can't be. Am I turning this thing correctly? No water! Oh the humanity! You maniacs you blew it up!

Turned out there was something with the pipes, there was an uncovered hole on the sidewalk just in front of the entrance waiting for a plumber to get it, very easy to fall in if someone is not careful.

Fortunately, I had alcohol wipies.

Zona Rosa, 13 mil.

I thought I got used to the cold water by now and don't really mind it, but the hot shower before the session just felt so good and put me in much better mood for the session as well.

Went for a coffee. Some kind of fight broke out close to the plaza corner of the museum. A lot of commotion and hard to see anything with the crowds. Then it moved west towards the other corner. Crowds following it, fat putas running towards it as if the monger bus had just arrived. Police on their motorbikes was there couple minutes later and soon after the excitement seem to have ended.[/QUOTE]That hot water improves your experience so much. Eighty percent of the private homes in Medellin don't have hot water. A lot of them don't miss it, you'd be surprised. I know Zona Rosa well, don't be surprised if you go in there and the hot water isn't working one of these times, jaja. Was she laughing with you or at you? Jajajajaja. Have fun.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733714]I think the option becomes available after certain post-count when the posts are not admin-approved any more.[/QUOTE]Nope, wrong again. I am still being moderated. Just click "Preview report" and you can edit.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2733320]No booster shots are required. You are considered fully vaccinated after getting one (J&J) or two (all others) shots.[/QUOTE]Do you still need to show the vax passport?

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2733733] Was she laughing with you or at you? Jajajajaja. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Don't know, didn't care, bit of both probably I imagine LOL, as soon as I confirmed the message of this monumental discovery was registered I popped my head back in to not waste any more precious time with my hot date.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2733733]
That hot water improves your experience so much. Eighty percent of the private homes in Medellin don't have hot water. A lot of them don't miss it, you'd be surprised. I know Zona Rosa well, don't be surprised if you go in there and the hot water isn't working one of these times, jaja. [/QUOTE]Fingers crossed, I hope they fixed it by now, definitely much better experience than the jailhouse rooms.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2733763]Do you still need to show the vax passport?[/QUOTE]You need to show proof of vaccination. A vax passport is a state issued thing. I don't know if that is acceptable. I have the CDC form.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2733809]You need to show proof of vaccination. A vax passport is a state issued thing. I don't know if that is acceptable. I have the CDC form.[/QUOTE]I do not know what a vax passport is but proof is a piece of paper with your name, the vaccination you got, and the date it was given to you. Besides that nobody knows the specific forms 186 countries are using.

I was in Peru with a chick and we had no problem flying from Lima to Juliaca. But Juliaca to Lima they wanted to see a vaccination to even walk into the airport. She did not have it. She had to call her son to send a picture of her vaccination. Tried to go in again. Nope. You need 2 doses; she only had 1. We went to a place to get her another dose. The people there sent her to print the picture out. She came back and got the shot and they wrote the new dose on the bottom of that paper. She was all set.

Make a copy of your card or paperor passport in case you lose the original.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2733763]Do you still need to show the vax passport?[/QUOTE]Vaccination card is still required.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2733497]
In Medellin, anyone can develop their own hybrid model of what works for them and get their freak on for whatever makes them happy. [/QUOTE]This place is about as close to a Utopia as you can get.

Especially for those with Visa's allowing them to stay as long as they want.

So many different ways to roll, with no way being the right way.

Prior to the Pandemic I would frequent Centro daily, sometimes twice a day, yet now have a "main squeeze" who stays with me for days at a time who I travel around the Country with. And along with her, two others I've known for a while who hang with me for a day or two at a time. Whenever I'm with any of them it's like a "honeymoon", and anything and everything is on the Menu with them. I only wish I could blow more than two loads a day.

And when I'm not with them, I frequent Centro, and a lot of times will repeat with one's I know.

And sometimes I show up in the mood for a spinner or a bigger model and go on the hunt.

Regardless of how differently guys roll here, I think many would agree that it's a Utopia here, and so fucking cheap.

I've heard good things about Premium Plaza.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733774]Don't know, didn't care, bit of both probably I imagine LOL, as soon as I confirmed the message of this monumental discovery was registered I popped my head back in to not waste any more precious time with my hot date.

Fingers crossed, I hope they fixed it by now, definitely much better experience than the jailhouse rooms.[/QUOTE]

Premier Plaza I meant.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733774]Don't know, didn't care, bit of both probably I imagine LOL, as soon as I confirmed the message of this monumental discovery was registered I popped my head back in to not waste any more precious time with my hot date.

Fingers crossed, I hope they fixed it by now, definitely much better experience than the jailhouse rooms.[/QUOTE]

Theme was bathrooms.

Based on my experience and RTFF, I think the following casaa are the best bets for having more than 10 girls to choose from. Most of the time at least.

New Life, Zandaly, Dulce Company, Sexy Amigas.

Did I miss any good ones?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2733834]This place is about as close to a Utopia as you can get.[/QUOTE]Medellin is my Utopia, Shangri-La, Nirvana, Shambala, Heaven-On-Earth, and Garden of Eden. I try not over-sell it for two main reasons. I don't believe my experiences will necessary be mirrored by others simply because of personal differences. And I don't want demand from increased number of visiting mongers to outstrip supply and drive up prices. If and whenever you see me write, "Medellin sucks" or "tell others how awful Medellin is" I am playing that latter hand. I have no idea if that accomplishes anything or not but at least I tried.

I have only been back to US of A less than two weeks. Feels longer. Already took a one-week vacation to Florida partly in an attempt to ameliorate the psychological effect of going from being loved and adored daily to where the only female who has wanted to kiss me since I have returned is my mother, jajaja.

I was on Atlantic Beach, Florida two days ago, see foto of view from my room. I was on the sand when a little cutie in a bikini stood up as I approached, and started shaking her ass as if she were dancing. She seemed to be saying, "come and get it". She got cuter as I got closer which is always nice. She was accompanied by some Jabba the Hut type of female who could've been friend, mother or sister, impossible to tell.

Anywho, never been the shy type and we were on the beach right in front of my hotel room at the Seahorse, so of course I immediately thought of the nasty things I could do to her in my room. Fuck, I'd plow the fat ugly one if it would get me to this one, you know how I am. If it is female and has two out of three wet holes available, I will fuck it.

I got within about five yards, close enough to say "Hi" to the lump, when the cute one turned and ran away down the beach, about a hundred meters, then continued to dance at the water's edge.

I wasn't certain if I had been soundly rejected or if I was supposed to literally follow in pursuit, but I didn't have the patience for the latter. Plus, my gut was telling me "rejected" so following her would have been an exercise in futility.

This is a good example of what I mean when I wrote many times before that Medellin has "ruined" me for dating and chicas here in the US of A or Pussy Prison. I would have been half-way to ruining this chica back in my motel room while her friend watched if I were in MDE. Such a difference.

I didn't take more than two-steps out of my way and continued across the sand back to my motel room, no regrets, but no patience for these types of encounters any more.

Random Gratuitous Fotos showing why MDE is obviously better.

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[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2418-Medellin-Lists[/URL]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2733295]I saw a map here of the areas to stroll and the area to stay in but I forgot his name. I think it ended in a number. Senior member.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Oterri;2733896]Based on my experience and RTFF, I think the following casaa are the best bets for having more than 10 girls to choose from. Most of the time at least.
New Life, Zandaly, Dulce Company, Sexy Amigas.
Did I miss any good ones?[/QUOTE]
In El Centro, I'd agree those are your best bets. But for a much pricier alternative (fancier reception area and rooms, nicer neighborhood) there's Spa Fantasias Energy Cra. 74 #101 49, in Laureles, and somewhat in between in price and amenity, Eros spa, Cra. 81 A #34 a 15. Both in Laureles. With perhaps two hot-looking exceptions at Spa Fantasias over the course of 10 or so visits, I've never found much difference in the quality of chica lineups at either of these casas when compared with the best of the El Centro venues. Of course, there's also the famous (former Escobar manse and quite expensive) Loutrons--but in my two (pre-pandemic) visits there were never more than a handful of ladies (3 to 5) available and none that would provide the (for me) essential extras (DFK, BBBJ) even for a generous propina. I took a pass. But, that said, as I vaguely recall, the few chicas in the Loutron lineup were definitely better looking than you'd find elsewhere.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2733824]Vaccination card is still required.[/QUOTE]Airport personnel in MDE asks to put a mask on. Last time it took me a while to find one from my maleta.

I got a zillion of them but these will be the last, for now.

When I was there two weeks ago, they required masks coming off the plane and were handing them out to those who did not have them. When returning home, there were plenty of folks in the check-in area without masks, but when you got to the international terminal security check-point, they required the mask (although lots of folks later took them off or were not wearing them fully in the waiting areas). So, yes, just have a mask handy so it does not impede your dash to the immigration line!

[QUOTE=PseudoGene;2734197]Airport personnel in MDE asks to put a mask on. Last time it took me a while to find one from my maleta.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2733716]I had my first hot shower in centro short-time room (strip clubs included) and it made me feel so welcomed compared to the cold and aggressively hissing water in other places I almost shed a tear. Popped my head out and yelled to my chica, Agua! Agua caliente! She cracked up. Zona Rosa, 13 mil.[/QUOTE]Is there a list of establishments with Showers with Hot Water?? (Short time / Airbnb / Hotels / Casas / Spas / Etc.).

Since the lack of hot water is common in MDE and Columbia in general. I have read back plenty of pages but I don't see where BM's indicate where they stay or mongering establishments if they have Hot Water Showers available.

I'm sure a list establishments that have Hot Showers/Hot Water would be of value. Or if BM's can indicate Hot Shower/Hot Water in future posts.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2734340]Is there a list of establishments with Showers with Hot Water?? (Short time / Airbnb / Hotels / Casas / Spas / Etc.).

Since the lack of hot water is common in MDE and Columbia in general. I have read back plenty of pages but I don't see where BM's indicate where they stay or mongering establishments if they have Hot Water Showers available.

I'm sure a list establishments that have Hot Showers/Hot Water would be of value. Or if BM's can indicate Hot Shower/Hot Water in future posts.[/QUOTE]A city with around 4 million people in area and you would like a list of places with hot water. Anyway. A suggestion is that if it is a hotel catering to tourists at all it probably has hot water, at least some of the time. As for other places you could not predict from one day to the next let alone have a reliable list.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2734340]

I'm sure a list establishments that have Hot Showers/Hot Water would be of value. Or if BM's can indicate Hot Shower/Hot Water in future posts.[/QUOTE]Generally speaking most overnight accommodations, something that you can book online in Medellin, like on booking, or another platform will have hot water in Medellin.

However, in other Cities, such as along the coast, or in the hotter areas of the Country they might not, and you need to inquire with the establishment. I recently rented an apartment in San Geronimo about an hour away from Medellin, and the place had three showers and only one of them had an electric heated shower head. And on Booking from where I rented it thru, there was no mention about hot water.

As far as Love Motels in Centro having hot water, well I have found that if your paying around 12,000 Pesos or more for a room that has a shower, it will probably have hot water. But again you need to ask. And then there is the issue of towels. Lot's of places will only give you one, so you need to ask for another one if you want one.

In and around the Veracruz Church area there are several Love Motels that consistently have hot water, albeit it may at times be very hot or lukewarm, and if you go on the backside, where all bars are, and your not paying much, don't count on there being any hot water, let alone a bathroom in lot's of the rooms.

As far as Casa's, Strip Clubs, etc, I'm sure the higher end ones do, but again you should just ask if that is a requirement for you.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2734340]Is there a list of establishments with Showers with Hot Water?? (Short time / Airbnb / Hotels / Casas / Spas / Etc.)...........[/QUOTE]

A bizarrely, quixotic request to be sure, albeit one that I can personally relate to--as someone who religiously starts each day with a 10-15 minute hot shower (my substitute for meditation, yoga, and psychotherapy) and relishes a hot water dousing after sessioning with a chica. As Zeos1 suggests, tourist-oriented hotels reliably have hot water. Another simple (if clichéd) screening criteria--you generally get what you pay for. Any Medellin hotel / AirBnB over some minimal price (say $30 per night) can be counted on to have heated agua flowing from the taps. This criteria also (albeit a little less reliably) applies to clubs, casas, spas etc.

More practically, perhaps one of the long-term El Centro Rats among the board members can provide a short list of which among the more popular, bargain-basement mongering venues, (e.g. casas such as Zandalay? Amigas Sexy?; clubs--Barre Ejecutiva? Conejitos?; short term hotels--Premium Plaza? Hotel de Grieff?) dependably offer hot showers. Like AdamWl, whose post initiated this chain of comments, I've been pleasantly surprised on rare occasions by finding hot water in the most improbable of El Centro joints, but don't recall where. Such a list would be practical to compile and no doubt welcome by some (if not most) of us--with the exception of Osteo and the other advocates of paleo-hygiene.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2734423]A city with around 4 million people in area and you would like a list of places with hot water. Anyway. A suggestion is that if it is a hotel catering to tourists at all it probably has hot water, at least some of the time. As for other places you could not predict from one day to the next let alone have a reliable list.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a good idea at first blush, on paper. A Hot Water List.

For one thing, it would be out-of-date the moment it was posted.

Except for the higher end tourist areas where you could reasonably expect hot water, you would more or less assume your short-time love motels will not have hot water, and be happy when they do. Otherwise, ask before your longer reservations and don't freak out if and when you have to do without hot water at times.

I get it. Guys bring their own shower heads and want hot water. My Numero Uno Novia Catgirl loves extra hot showers when she came to my hotel, hotter than I like. Believe it or not, a surprising number of chicas shun the hot water and would laugh and try to hit me with cold water when we are in the shower together.

I am not trying to get anyone to change their personal preferences but sometimes a little adaptation goes a long way. There are many parallel examples when visiting a foreign country. Remember, that it is much more realistic and effective for the individual mongerer to adapt to their surroundings than it is to expect an entire country to adapt to your individual preferences. I see guys expend a lot of energy on the latter. They often get the desired results but time and energy, like money, is a finite resource for most of us. I try to expend as much energy as I can in Medellin on fucking, licking and getting sucked, jajajaja, and otherwise maintain a relaxed state.

Fotos: I lied in my previous post and I am posting more chicas in the shower. The last foto, if you haven't been "exposed" to this little contraption is how most lower strata (in other words, the majority) of people in Medellin get a hot shower, remembering that the vast majority of private residences don't have any hot water. They sell these mini-water heaters built into the shower head everywhere including on the shelves at Exito. They make a great gift, just remember they have to be wired to electricity which depending on your skill set you can do yourself or pay to have that done as part of the gift. I first saw one of these things in Pattaya, Thailand and it was a little disconcerting to step under one of these these things with bare wires showing and the water running, but I got used to it and nothing bad has ever happened, yet, jajaja.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2734449]The last foto, if you haven't been "exposed" to this little contraption is how most lower strata (in other words, the majority) of people in Medellin get a hot shower, remembering that the vast majority of private residences don't have any hot water. They sell these mini-water heaters built into the shower head everywhere including on the shelves at Exito. They make a great gift, just remember they have to be wired to electricity which depending on your skill set you can do yourself or pay to have that done as part of the gift. I first saw one of these things in Pattaya, Thailand and it was a little disconcerting to step under one of these these things with bare wires showing and the water running, but I got used to it and nothing bad has ever happened, yet, jajaja.[/QUOTE]In this video a local chica who runs a Youtube video out of Bogota, even thought he video the states "be careful" she actually says in the video that she has never heard of anyone getting shocked by an electric shower head. She does not talk about that until 4 minutes into the video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl6d7tW21Ug&t=352s[/URL]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2734503]In this video a local chica who runs a Youtube video out of Bogota, even thought he video the states "be careful" she actually says in the video that she has never heard of anyone getting shocked by an electric shower head. She does not talk about that until 4 minutes into the video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl6d7tW21Ug&t=352s[/URL][/QUOTE]Yep, the shower head variety of water heating is by far the most common in any mid to lower income settings, establishments. The casas downtown may have these in some of the shower in some of the rooms and they work only some of the time. I don't bother fiddling with the controls if I'm in one as I often see bare wires and 220 volt connections.

I added Street walkers in the Park and a Massage place that is worth a visit.

Gosh, if you want hot water stay in a nice hotel or apartment in a nice neighborhood. Don't expect all the bells and whistles paying under 3 bucks for a room. This topic should be moved to the stupid shit in MDE thread, no wonder mongers can't find useful info in all the clutter here.

That is excellent advice about how to use the shower head electric water heaters. Never touch them while the shower is in use or the bathroom or shower floor is wet. They are generally safe if they are installed correctly and grounded.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2734514]Yep, the shower head variety of water heating is by far the most common in any mid to lower income settings, establishments. The casas downtown may have these in some of the shower in some of the rooms and they work only some of the time. I don't bother fiddling with the controls if I'm in one as I often see bare wires and 220 volt connections.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2734503]In this video a local chica who runs a Youtube video out of Bogota, even thought he video the states "be careful" she actually says in the video that she has never heard of anyone getting shocked by an electric shower head. She does not talk about that until 4 minutes into the video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl6d7tW21Ug&t=352s[/URL][/QUOTE]I know it's a video, she neeeeeds to talk and supply some audio. She's a little mouthy but very cute, she was funny when she said, "Are you kidding me, are you trying to kill yourself"? "I know that it's crazy, are you trying to kill me"? "We are Colombians, ees not that bad". She's funny but she would look better (to me) and sound better with my cock in her mouth, and that would shut her up at least temporarily. She mentioned living in Virginia before. I wonder who will snatch her up and take her back to the states where I bet she gains 25 kilograms, jaja.

As I mentioned it's unnerving to stand under one of those shower head heaters. Kinda like she said, she never heard of anyone getting hurt by one, yet she recommends against using them.

I sure as hell wouldn't touch one while I standing in water and soaking wet. Add some 220 V and that is a lethal combination. The one I saw with bare copper hanging out was in Thailand. I stood on the plastic toilet (not grounded) did my "best guess" adjustment for the hot water before I started the shower, and went for it. Lived to tell the tale, jajajja.

Fotos: For those of you who pay attention, in the first foto, the red on the floor is hair dye, not sangre, jaja.

Fuck, she's cute. With an annoying voice. I let it run into the next video of hers. Great body, too.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2734503]even thought he video the states "be careful" she actually says in the video that she has never heard of anyone getting shocked by an electric shower head.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I was dating a chick in Costa Rica. I always stayed at her house. One morning I went to take a shower. The water was cold. I reached up and touched that thing and it shocked the shit out of me. I am pretty wary about touching those things with the water on these days. Adjust it to the winter setting before turning the water on and leave it alone. The less you open the water, the hotter it will be. That is if the shit is wired correctly.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2734530]Gosh, if you want hot water stay in a nice hotel or apartment in a nice neighborhood. Don't expect all the bells and whistles paying under 3 bucks for a room. This topic should be moved to the stupid shit in MDE thread, no wonder mongers can't find useful info in all the clutter here.[/QUOTE]

MiamiBoy, please relax, take a deep breath--and a hot (no, make that cold) shower if readily available.

Actually, for those many Medellin BMs (who, unlike you, if I recall rightly from previous posts) regularly, or just from time-to-time, visit the lower-end casas, spas, clubs, and short-time, love hotels, the availability of hot water with their bargain-basement dalliance can be of legit interest--and a quite reasonable and diverting topic for a half-day or so of interchange on this thread. Speaking for myself, it had not occurred to me before reading a couple of the recent posts, that the use of electronic (often jerry-rigged) shower heads may explain why, in the same casa, one can find hot water in one room and not the next, or on one day, and not on the following. A little "Aha" moment of epiphany on an otherwise slow Sunday morning. And useful info to boot.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2734530]Gosh, if you want hot water stay in a nice hotel or apartment in a nice neighborhood. Don't expect all the bells and whistles paying under 3 bucks for a room. This topic should be moved to the stupid shit in MDE thread, no wonder mongers can't find useful info in all the clutter here.[/QUOTE]With an electric shower head heater, 220 V, and a short circuit, jajajajajajaaaaaa.

Now for the good stuff, fotos: All of the same chica, the amazing Purrfekt Piel. Besides having a damn-near purrfekt body and a sexual dynamo in bed, there is not a single tattoo or piercing anywhere on her lucious body. She has been a solid #5-7 on my List since its inception, and she never wavers.

I made a couple of very rare introductions (don't ask unless I have gotten to know you first) for her to mongering buddies of mine and they both said the same thing. "How can you possibly have five chicas above her"?

I have never bought her a phone and she charges me below FMV (Fair Market Value). Of all the chicas on my List, she is the easiest to get along with, never hassles me over anything. She is totally compliant sexually. For that reason, we go out on dates, more than any other chica on my List except for Numero Uno, Catgirl. I really do love Purrfekt Piel and I believe she loves me as well, and if she doesn't, she has me fooled and that's good enough for me, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2734557]Many years ago I was dating a chick in Costa Rica. I always stayed at her house. One morning I went to take a shower. The water was cold. I reached up and touched that thing and it shocked the shit out of me. I am pretty wary about touching those things with the water on these days. Adjust it to the winter setting before turning the water on and leave it alone. The less you open the water, the hotter it will be. That is if the shit is wired correctly.[/QUOTE]I am happy for you that you always stayed at her house. Saves money. Thanks for sharing that.

First time I saw an electric shower head heater, well maybe you read my prior post. I would've just as soon reached out and put my hand inside an alligator's open mouth. As I have observed over the years here, you do not always come across as the sharpest crayon in the box, jjajajajajajajaa.

Just to show you that we are capable of doing stupid things (except yours was dangerous) I had my two antique sports cars hooked up to battery tenders or trickle chargers while I was in Medellin this past trip.

One I hooked up wrong, reverse polarity, positive to negative and negative to positive, and fried the battery. The only other apperent damage so far is that the digital clock no longer works, jajajaja. I hope that is the extent of the damage done there.

There's more. I forgot my other car was hooked up to the battery tender and pulled out of my garage. When I returned home I had a "WTF" moment when my extension cord was strewn all over the driveway, jajajaja. Fortunately, no harm done there. So we all do stupid things, some are stupider and more dangerous than others.

I contend your mind is warped. Not in a perverted way, but in a "I have lost touch with normal reality" way if half of what you claim on here is true. Even though you and I are nothing alike, I have been told the same thing many times, that I am living in a seperate world, jajajaja. I readily admit that when I am in Medellin, it feels like an alternate universe to me, compared to here in Pussy Prison.

Non-random gratuitous fotos: Nine different chicas from Ground Zero (except for one) who I picked up in real time and took to Love Motels. All were clean, happy, pretty, sexy, and good performers for FMV (Fair Market Value) of a little more than one peso per minute.

A user here once sarcastically chided me by saying, "I guess your hunting skills at Ground Zero are better than others". I don't know about that but 95% of the time I can find chicas there like these. I banged two preggos on a day when users were posting here there were none at Ground Zero, and both were cute and good performers.

I responded to a PM earlier today about El Centro being a cool place to leave your chicas in the bedroom asleep at The Nutti, run across the street for a session or two at Ground Zero in a love motel, then back to The Nutti for more fun. Not hard to average 4. 3 chicas per day doing stuff like that. Asti Out.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2734564]Actually, for those many Medellin BMs (who, unlike you, if I recall rightly from previous posts) regularly, or just from time-to-time, visit the lower-end casas, spas, clubs, and short-time, love hotels, the availability of hot water with their bargain-basement dalliance can be of legit interest--and a quite reasonable and diverting topic for a half-day or so of interchange on this thread. Speaking for myself, it had not occurred to me before reading a couple of the recent posts, that the use of electronic (often jerry-rigged) shower heads may explain why, in the same casa, one can find hot water in one room and not the next, or on one day, and not on the following. A little "Aha" moment of epiphany on an otherwise slow Sunday morning. And useful info to boot.[/QUOTE]Seeing that we are on the subject of "hot showers". I was in a Love Motel in Centro today that actually had a rainfall showerhead in it with an external water heating system. I had my Chica shower first, and when she stepped out I asked if there was hot water. And she said yes, very hot, in fact to hot.

This may sound odd, but she didn't know how to adjust the temperature by turning on the cold water as well. Still may seem odd to some, but the majority of Colombians don't have hot water as has been noted here, let alone the heated shower head types being discussed here as well.

So my Chica did not know that she could adjust the water temperature, meaning instead of one valve to turn on the shower, meaning the water is either on or off, versus having both a hot and cold water valve to turn the water on and adjust the temperature.

It's one thing to have hot water, but imagine having it, and not knowing how to use it meaning adjusting the temperature.

What threw her for a curve was that there were two water valves, one hot and one cold, which she was not accustomed to.

Regardless, she figured it out though when showering afterwards getting all my jizz off of her.

I didn't mean a literal list. Just a I stayed here, and hot water was available. Was not trying to stress the forum out. LOL.

Yea, the [URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=2733716&viewfull=1#post2733716]AdamWI[/URL] post got me thinking since I seen previous complaints regarding the lack of Hot Water and as well I had experiences with the lack of Hot Water in establishments.

Thanks for those who posted positive constructive comments.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2734433]..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2734441]..[/QUOTE]Electric Shower Head. Something to look for and knowledge to adjust settings.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2734449]..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2734503]..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2734534]..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2734557]..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2734564][b]....[/b]Actually, for those many Medellin BMs (who, unlike you, if I recall rightly from previous posts) regularly, or just from time-to-time, visit the lower-end casas, spas, clubs, and short-time, love hotels,[b] the availability of hot water with their bargain-basement dalliance can be of legit interest--and a quite reasonable and diverting topic for a half-day or so of interchange on this thread[/b]. Speaking for myself, it had not occurred to me before reading a couple of the recent posts, that the use of electronic (often jerry-rigged) shower heads may explain why, in the same casa, one can find hot water in one room and not the next, or on one day, and not on the following. A little "Aha" moment of epiphany on an otherwise slow Sunday morning. And useful info to boot.[/QUOTE]I am glad that this short thread may help someone (especially Newbies to MDE / Columbia) seeking Hot Water. And pleased someone felt it was of "legit interest--and a quite reasonable[b]....[/b] "

Thanks everyone back to posting Mongering Escapades.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2734795]I didn't mean a literal list. Just a I stayed here, and hot water was available. Was not trying to stress the forum out. LOL.
Thanks everyone back to posting Mongering Escapades.[/QUOTE]I know you were joking about "stressing the forum" but let me check. Were you feeling stressed Smurfer Dude? Null Admiral? MoJo? Clueless? Mr. Interstate? MiamiToy? Maybe that last guy a little bit stressed but I am confident he recovered. I am afraid you may have a slightly exaggerated since of self-importance. I know exactly how that feels, jaja.

Status quo around here, someone brings up a topic but then it takes on a life of its own, for better or worse. The original poster is often just a springboard, sort of like an inanimate carbon rod of Simpsons fame.

I often thrown in several fotos in my responses simply for the value of gratuitous sex.

As you can see here and now, I will flog a dead horse into dog meat. I am known for that and that won't change.

I'd have to say you still missed the point somewhat. List or not, as soon you as post you experience, and then the next guy goes "there" and finds the opposite, which I promise you will happen, all you have done is created an expectation followed by disappointment. All unhappiness is preceded by desire, according to Buddha. Things change in Colombia more often than most places I have been to in the world. But anyone who wants to post about whether or not their shower had hot water last night is free to do so, obviously.

Which brings me to my second point. A much more valuable attribute that will keep a mongerer happy in Medellin in general is not "complaining" or focusing on the "lack" of something that is normal for eighty percent of the population, but instead be flexible and adapt. Dare I suggest "accept" that hot water will not always be available and (gasp) re-condition your brain into thinking that this does not preclude having a good time. Be pleasantly surprised when you do get the hot water that appears to be so important to you and others.

With or without your permission, the board will Keep On Keepin' On. Try not to get electrocuted by a shower head and you should do fine. Jajaja.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2734262]I got a zillion of them but these will be the last, for now.[/QUOTE]Nice photos, where and how do you find some of these girls?

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2734795]Thanks for those who posted positive constructive comments.
Electric Shower Head. Something to look for and knowledge to adjust settings.[/QUOTE]I've never seen an electric hot water shower head in a Centro Love Motel.

I haven't been in all of the Love Motels, but have never seen one which I suspect is for many reasons, such as patrons getting electrocuted.

And I could easily see this happening.

I've heard of people dying in Love Motels, but not by electrocution.

Folks,

Couple of quick questions:

1. Are threesomes usually available in casas?

2. Do casas offer any discount for two ladies for example but one get one free. LOL just kidding. May be something like 100 K for two?

3. Does anyone have any reccs for truly bi or lesbo SWs?

Often Threesomes are duds but once in a while you hit the jackpot. I would love to know what the experienced mongers have to say about this possibility in casas or even with centro girls.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2734863]I've never seen an electric hot water shower head in a Centro Love Motel.

I haven't been in all of the Love Motels, but have never seen one which I suspect is for many reasons, such as patrons getting electrocuted.

And I could easily see this happening.

I've heard of people dying in Love Motels, but not by electrocution.[/QUOTE]They die because they don't do drugs in their home country but decide to go to Colombia and do drugs there. Makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2734930]They die because they don't do drugs in their home country but decide to go to Colombia and do drugs there. Makes no sense.[/QUOTE]Dewey, I am not taking your remark personally but your obtuse comment requires a little further explanation if it is to be understood.

The thread was about electric shower heads and electrocution in Love Motels, I believe.

Somehow you made the jump to death from what? Drug overdose? Getting murdered by the drug cartel? Getting run over by a bus while high? Jajajajajaja. Having a heart attack while fucking and high in a love motel??

And the risk is higher because they are doing drugs part time here instead of full-time?

I cannot find the path your are on, let alone follow it. Enlighten me.

Where the term "Guest friendly" came from?

Has anyone found a short term hotel room in Centro or even a casa with air conditioning. I hate sweating my ass off and overheating.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2734863]I've never seen an electric hot water shower head in a Centro Love Motel.

I haven't been in all of the Love Motels, but have never seen one which I suspect is for many reasons, such as patrons getting electrocuted.

And I could easily see this happening.

I've heard of people dying in Love Motels, but not by electrocution.[/QUOTE]

Interesting discussion on showers. I've been in Zona Rosa couple times now and it can be iffy indeed and even varying room to room. One room had both, other only piping hot with no cold water whatsoever. Another time it was barely warm.

Did some RTFF on Premier Plaza suggested by Knowledge and seems like they have it hot as well, I'll probably visit soon.

Now that I 've seen the picture I think I saw one of those electric showerhead heaters in one of the rooms in Zandaly. Nr 13 I believe.

I popped in to Nueva Avenida to see what's up, as it felt like for ever since I've been there.

30% of line-up looked new me. I don't do the strip-club sessions lately any more, the lighting can be extremely misleading there, even when one is sober, not to mention the time constraints.

Met a slim, fit and tall dancer from Bello and we chatted a bit. She said she normally works in Barra but it was closed tonight. Apparently some girls got into a serious fight over some big spender from Philippines (of all places) and police had to be called.

She complained about some girls dressing bad here and also the sort of customers this club is getting. I agreed it's definitely different. Couple times I've been in Barra it was much classier, people were dressed much nicer too. But the atmosphere was more stiff (I've been early evening so maybe it changes later though). Nueva is much rowdier, chaotic and more entertaining, I've seen come crazy parties here. Not long after one of the customers did a headstand and 'danced' to the music in that position, good luck seeing that in Barra LOL.

I asked if she knows the girl I sessioned with in Barra, she didn't and said most girls aren't really friendly with each other there.

Anyway, I was leaving, so just got the number (as well as couple other girls that looked good naked) for potential daylight session outside and hit the Botero Plaza
Found a nice Vennie. 40/40 (initially she quoted 50). 5 months in Medellin. 20 yo and 4 yo daughter. Great tits despite a baby. Maybe the trick is then to have the baby at a young age, then the body can still recover. She was a bit serious at the beginning but soon relaxed and brightened up.

After the shower she did ask me for money upfront. Not cool. Would she tell me earlier I would show her the door (as I did already with one chica before and it worked). We did some arguing but finally I got irritated with it and gave in, making sure she understands this is an exception, the first and last time I do it and I'm not happy about it at all. She did provide a good service though and I can't say she didn't work for it; we had some fun and I think it was even overtime. I might repeat.

She didn't have a phone but gave me a number to either her BF or brother, forgot now. Either way not going to arrange a meeting via him.

[QUOTE=AdamWl;2735019]IAfter the shower she did ask me for money upfront. Not cool. Would she tell me earlier I would show her the door (as I did already with one chica before and it worked). We did some arguing but finally I got irritated with it and gave in, making sure she understands this is an exception, the first and last time I do it and I'm not happy about it at all. She did provide a good service though and I can't say she didn't work for it; we had some fun and I think it was even overtime. I might repeat.[/QUOTE]Interesting that she asked to be paid after showering versus before taking her clothes off.

I typically tell new ones that I always pay afterwards before taking them upstairs.

Another option if they ask for the money upfront, not that all of $ 10 USD is going to break you, is tell them you will pay 1/2 upfront and the other half afterwards.

Another thing I sometimes tell new ones is that if the service is good there will be a tip, and to some that is music to their ears as the locals don't tip much if at all.

Regardless, it's always a red flag when a Chica asks to be paid up front, and your lucky that she didn't just lay there dead as that is typically the outcome.

Scanning the Spanish language news sites has proven ineffective. Does anyone know when Parque Lleras is expected to finish reconstruction?

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2735073]Scanning the Spanish language news sites has proven ineffective. Does anyone know when Parque Lleras is expected to finish reconstruction?[/QUOTE]I read not until some time next year.

[QUOTE=Forever18;2734821]Nice photos, where and how do you find some of these girls?[/QUOTE]Two fotos were of my Number One girlfriend who I knew before I came to Medellin. One was a personal referral from a fellow mongerer. One was her friend. One was a maid at a hotel where I had stayed prior who was not Pay for Play. Two were "amigas of amigas".

One was a Webcam model who I met on-line and actual flew to Bogota to fuck which breaks all my rules, but worth it. University student, fluent in English, she was 23 and with the same guy since she was 14, her Sugar Daddy. He was in his 60's. Her mother sold her virginity to the same guy when she was fourteen years old for 3 million COP. She loved it as partly evidenced by the fact that she stuck with him.

He lives in Miami and came to town once a month. She got bored and wanted a new fuck and a laptop computer for school. I spent four days and three nights with her and bought her an entry level laptop computer.

She was phenomenol and I never saw her again. I wish I could show you her face as she is my Number One all-time most complimented chica for beauty. She's the one in the shower looking back under her arm, tiny pic. When you do the mouseover it says "videoplayer" and I have the video.

I gave her phone number to a mongerer from here a few weeks ago when he was in Bogota. I had not tried it in over two years. Number no longer any good. Such is life.

IMO, the best way to build a cadre of quality chicas with whom you would want to repeat is "amigas of amigas", and a very underutilized resource from what I read here. But hey, maybe that's just me.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2735073]Scanning the Spanish language news sites has proven ineffective. Does anyone know when Parque Lleras is expected to finish reconstruction?[/QUOTE]Its overrated and overpriced anyways.

This was in Centro having some beers in my last trip.

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2735073]Scanning the Spanish language news sites has proven ineffective. Does anyone know when Parque Lleras is expected to finish reconstruction?[/QUOTE]This can be misleading. There is a small actual park, with trees and paths, and it is about 1/2 a square block. Pretty small really. Then there is the area around it with bars, restaurants, nightclubs, etc. The small actual park has almost nothing to do with the other activities in the area, which is also referred to as Parque Lleras, about 8 or 10 square blocks equivalent. As far as I know nothing is going on that affects the nightclubs, bars, restaurants, etc. Other than post covid shut downs of some places that have gone out of business, etc. So the reconstruction is not really relevant to what we talk about here. The actual physical park was never much of a part of anything, other than a bit of green space in an entertainment area.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2734914]Folks,

Couple of quick questions:

1. Are threesomes usually available in casas?

2. Do casas offer any discount for two ladies for example but one get one free. LOL just kidding. May be something like 100 K for two?

3. Does anyone have any reccs for truly bi or lesbo SWs?

Often Threesomes are duds but once in a while you hit the jackpot. I would love to know what the experienced mongers have to say about this possibility in casas or even with centro girls.[/QUOTE]My casa numbers are relatively low, however, and you may need further opinion from someone else.

If there's one thing true about casas that has been said over and over is that virtually anything can be found or had for a price. If you are willing to plunk down the pesos, you will get anything you want, assuming the legality of your kink. A good place to start is the madam. In fact, if I have something specific in mind, I will sometimes skip the line-up and go directly to the madam with questions like, "Who gives the best blowjobs? Who loves to take it up the ass? Who can deep throat and not come up for air"?

A more common pathway in a casa for a 3-way would be to go through the line-up, pick your chica who puts the tingle in your dingle, then ask her with whom would she like to do a three-way? If you don't like the chica she picks, ask her to pick again. If you have to ask her a third time, either you are too picky or the stars are not aligned and I would take a pass (on the 3-way) until another day. Don't expect a discount but everything is negotiable. I would expect to pay the normal rate times two, the first time, in a casa for a three-way.

The majority of my sessions in my hotel room are with two chicas or more. A chica will virtually always be willing or want to bring another amiga in on the action if for no other reason that to "share the wealth". When I was a noobie I thought this was because I was so irrestible but really they want their friends to get their share of my money, and it is less boring for them with a second chica in the room for conversations, etc.

Three ways can be a very slippery slope, as you mentioned. If it's two chicas you don't know, who know each other, that is a very common set up for getting drugged and or robbing you while the other keeps you occupied. Not really a concern in a casa. For Gawd's sake, never get in the shower with one with the other is foot loose and fancy free in the room with your stuff. Keep a pair of eyes on both chicas as much as possible.

When mongerers randomly try to set up a 3-way with chicas they don't know and who don't know each other, they report a high degree of disappointment even when not getting pilfered. This is because what usually transpires is not a true 3-way but a series of one-on-one sexual activities while the chicas tag in and out. I don't really call that a 3-way, and I will assume you want to avoid that scenario.

Ideally, you want to start with at least one chica who you know well or at the very least with whom you have sessioned and you were happy with the encounter. From there, it's a very simple matter to ask her if she has a friend who would like to do a 3-way. 99% of the time she will say yes. You can and should ask to see a foto, and you may want to consider seeing her friend separately first, before the three-way. I know this sounds like a lot of work but the more your front-load your efforts, the better chances you will have a fun, new three-way.

To answer another one of your questions, all the SWs I have met in Medellin seem to fall into one of three categories: Lesbians (who do it strictly for the money), bisexual, and bi-curious, jajaja. I am sure their must be a purely heterosexual female SW somewhere in MDE but I have yet to meet her and that's alright by me, jajaja.

Once you have the chicas and the three of you are naked in bed, whether in a casa or your hotel, have fun and have a three-way! In my experience, the chicas like it when you run your bed like a porn set. Don't wait until the last minute to figure out what you will be doing. You can be spontaneous and specific at the same time. Don't waste the opportunity. Have at least a couple of three-way positions in mind before you start and then take it from there.

"Combinacion" is a good word to know which basically means "switch". For example, one chica is sitting on your face and the other is giving you a blowjob, same activity but the girls will simply switch positions when you call out "Combinacion"!

If you are going to be plunging multiple holes in rapid succession, you may want to discuss the logistics ahead of time. For example, there is more than one three-way team I have where I use a condom on one chica but not the other, for two totally different reasons.

Another school of thought is just "go for it" until someone says stop. I found in those situations more money will virtually always get you what you want in real time, it's simply a matter of how bad you want it. For example, I was pounding a chica's ass in doggy with the other chica resting her head on her ass. She knew what was coming but when I pulled out of the chica's ass sin condom, she made a face like she was recoiing in horror. "50 mil mas" I blurt out. She shoots back, "100"! I rapidly counter with "75"! Half a second later her mouth is wide open, tongue out and she takes the ass-to-mouth from her friend without hesitation. The entire upgrade took less than five seconds. I found the foto of the beginning of this encounter, posted below, easy to figure out which one, jajajaa.

In summary, ideally you want to have had sex with both girls separately, and they know each other. You can take the shortcut of having had good sex with only one of them and have her bring a friend. Ask to see a foto first of the friend but they Photoshop the hell out of their fotos, jajaja.

Fotos: I tried to post fotos I haven't used before, of 3-ways. The point to the foto of me eating ass is someone else has to be holding the camera and taking the foto and that is a sometimes overlooked benefit of a 3-way, having a photogrpaher, jeje.

The foto where I went from one girl's ass to the other's mouth is fairly obvious. Those two used to do lesbian Web camming and it was kinky fun to go on-line and watch them right before or after I railed on all six of their wet holes.

The two chicas with the big smiles on the roller coaster, the one on the right is Mi Numero Uno Catgirl, and the other is about eight girlfriends earlier for her. Catgirl goes thru girlfriends faster than any guy I ever met and that one was one of my faves. They no longer speak to each other which is par for the course for Catgirl. The fact that Catgirl only recently this past trip started seeing chicas on my List, took our relationship to the next level.

I have lost count of the number of sisters I have banged in 3-ways but the two shown trying to dodge the foto in bed, one with her feet up, were two of the best. I tried to repeat on them but the one closer to the camera spent some time working in Panama and her price doubled and I told her "no way". I waited her out thinking her price would come back down but it never did, so far.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2735095]This was in Centro having some beers in my last trip.[/QUOTE]You look sure, man, and I mean that as a compliment. Keep On Keepin' On.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2734816]
Status quo around here,

[b]I'd have to say you still missed the point somewhat.[/b] List or not, as soon you as post you experience, and then the next guy goes "there" and finds the opposite, which I promise you will happen, all you have done is created an expectation followed by disappointment.

[b]But anyone who wants to post about whether or not their shower had hot water last night is free to do so, obviously.[/b]

[b]Which brings me to my second point. A much more valuable attribute that will keep a mongerer happy in Medellin in general is not "complaining" or focusing on the "lack" of something[/b] that is normal for eighty percent of the population, but instead be flexible and adapt. Dare I suggest "accept" that hot water will not always be available and (gasp) re-condition your brain into thinking that this does not preclude having a good time. Be pleasantly surprised when you do get the hot water that appears to be so important to you and others.

[b]With or without your permission, the board will Keep On Keepin' On. Try not to get electrocuted by a shower head and you should do fine.[/b] Jajaja.[/QUOTE]I had just thanked you for your part in the discussion, then you retort with condescending remarks but anyhoo. Since your the most prolific poster to this forum I guess you know best. I guess I'll move on from this forum.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2735114]I had just thanked you for your part in the discussion, then you retort with condescending remarks but anyhoo. Since your the most prolific poster to this forum I guess you know best. I guess I'll move on from this forum.[/QUOTE]Takes somewhat of a veneer to function around here, tough crowd. In my own way, I thought I was showing you some respect because a lot of the mongerers here are not worth engaging, for me.

I think you're right, I have been posting too much. I know, I know, you didn't say that. Clearly I am compensating for being away from my beloved Medellin for coming up on three weeks, with all this posting. Very tough for me. I need to take a break from here and try thinking about some other things, for a change.

Don't leave the forum on my account. You are truly less horrible than most, jajajaja. That's the nicest thing my last boss, President and CEO of a multi-billion dollar company, to whom I was a direct report, ever said to me during my annual evals. "You are less horrible than you were last year" jajajaja. I retired in 2019 the same year I discovered Medellin.

Would it help you to know that I am a self-proclaimed, sarcastic, attention who-ring asshole here?

Keep on Keepin' On!

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2735098]This can be misleading. There is a small actual park, with trees and paths, and it is about 1/2 a square block. Pretty small really. Then there is the area around it with bars, restaurants, nightclubs, etc. The small actual park has almost nothing to do with the other activities in the area, which is also referred to as Parque Lleras, about 8 or 10 square blocks equivalent. As far as I know nothing is going on that affects the nightclubs, bars, restaurants, etc. Other than post covid shut downs of some places that have gone out of business, etc. So the reconstruction is not really relevant to what we talk about here. The actual physical park was never much of a part of anything, other than a bit of green space in an entertainment area.[/QUOTE]Construction of the Park has been delayed several months due to the excessive rains and saturated sub-surface conditions precluding the installation of the new sub-surface drainage systems. The area around it hasn't fully recovered not even close to pre-pandemic times and I'm not sure it will ever be like before compared to the Provenza area.

What I do think will happen though is that Parque Lleras will become a much larger mongering venue when the Park construction is complete. The Park used to be a magnet for the business's around it, but with it being under construction, many places around it have been shuttered since the onset of the Pandemic.

However, more and more Centro girls are working the streets around the area now it seems, at least what I have seen, meaning seeing daytime Centro girls working nights in Lleras which has been reported here.

Many years ago Minorista was a fun mongering venue, but nothing like before, not even close. And Centro since the Pandemic has gone in the opposite direction getting better and better to a certain degree.

Mongering venues do change for the better and the worse over time, as everyone knows, and my prediction is that Lleras is going to become a much bigger mongering venue after Construction is complete.

I don't have a crystal ball, but this is my prediction.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2734692]

It's one thing to have hot water, but imagine having it, and not knowing how to use it meaning adjusting the temperature.

What threw her for a curve was that there were two water valves, one hot and one cold, which she was not accustomed to.
.[/QUOTE]Plus, not knowing what buttons to press on the elevator, definitely can't work the room thermostat, what a curtain rod is for, unable to make simple change, how to order food in a sit-down restaurant, unable to tell time unless it's a digital watch, and yet, super-users when it comes to cell phones. Go figure.

BTW, I am not saying these chicas were dumb, most of them were average or above average intelligence. Products of their environment. When I asked one chica about doing simple math she said that's why there are caclulators. About not being able to tell time she pointed out the she owned a digital watch. Who is really smarter in this tale?

Thanks for the feedback. That was pretty much what I was looking, even at the knowing that someone would say "the park is overrated".

To that point, I think we can all agree on this old adage: there is no wrong way to monger. Of the dozen or so options, the park is just another one of them.

I like the park just like I like strolling South Beach, Miami: the ambiance of girls in booty shorts or tight clothing. And in PLl, you can stroll with 4000 COP beers. And I do like strolling with an open beer. Compound that with the center of the park was lesser traveled, by stepping away from the street by 20 feet, you could take a break from all meat parade, sit and recoup for a minute, and get right back in it in 2 seconds.

In my opinion, the park is just another gem in the treasure box of Medellin and one I look forward to seeing at higher heights when it reopens. Maybe to those who have "been there, done that" the place is boring or overpriced, but to my friends who have not, they still think I am talking crazy about some fantasy land.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735126]Construction of the Park has been delayed several months due to the excessive rains and saturated sub-surface conditions precluding the installation of the new sub-surface drainage systems. The area around it hasn't fully recovered not even close to pre-pandemic times and I'm not sure it will ever be like before compared to the Provenza area.

What I do think will happen though is that Parque Lleras will become a much larger mongering venue when the Park construction is complete. The Park used to be a magnet for the business's around it, but with it being under construction, many places around it have been shuttered since the onset of the Pandemic.

However, more and more Centro girls are working the streets around the area now it seems, at least what I have seen, meaning seeing daytime Centro girls working nights in Lleras which has been reported here.

Many years ago Minorista was a fun mongering venue, but nothing like before, not even close. And Centro since the Pandemic has gone in the opposite direction getting better and better to a certain degree.

Mongering venues do change for the better and the worse over time, as everyone knows, and my prediction is that Lleras is going to become a much bigger mongering venue after Construction is complete.

I don't have a crystal ball, but this is my prediction.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2734692]It's one thing to have hot water, but imagine having it, and not knowing how to use it meaning adjusting the temperature.

What threw her for a curve was that there were two water valves, one hot and one cold, which she was not accustomed to..[/QUOTE]Like the brother in the Cartagena thread always taking cold showers because he thought the see meant cold so he never turned that one. One day he finally tried it and realized see was for Caliente. Usually there is an F on the other for Frio.

Those of you who follow me will recognize some of these.

The first foto, the sisters in Cucuta. That was before I had a beard and was not dyeing my mustache and my hair was still short. That was the escapade when I had to jump out of a second story balcony to get away from their posse that was coming up the front stairs. Since no one was hurt, worth it. The sister on the left of the foto had one of the prettiest faces I ever saw and her sister was insanely jealous. I spent 3 days and 2 nights with them. One of the craziest weekends I ever had in Colombia. Both were Web cam models and that's how I met them, online.

Second foto, first time my Number Two chica Scarlet just happened to overlap with my Number Six chica who was seven months pregnant at the time. Solid session but we never repeated, sometimes it goes like that.

A lot of guys will remember this four-way foto of these chica lined up in doggy. Only the middle girl was ever on my List. We had fun for weeks before it finally broke up like they all do in the end. Fantastic sex and the chicas were good friends, at one point all living together in Castilla. The session shown I took my hotel desk chair that had wheels and rolled back and forth on them first seated, licking their pussies and assholes. Then kneeling and fucking them. The one on the left moved to Mexico with a guy, I still see the other two regularly.

The next three fotos stretches the definition of a "three-way" a little. I was taking my Number Two and my Number Three chicas on the Metro to the dentist at Mayorca Mall. Once there, I made them both give me a blow job in the handicapped bathroom. They did not hesistate for a second but they both called me crazy, separately.

The next foto, the red one, if someone is keeping historical archive fotos you might want to add this one. This is the room and the party where I discoverd bombillos, jajajajaja, that have since seem to have caught on a bit in the mongering scene. Started here. There was a fourth girl in the room, making this a five-way. You can see her leg in the right, lower corner.

The eighth foto is my twin-sister cheat. In reality they are one year apart but if you met them in person and I told you they were twins you would believe me. I was banging the younger one for as long as I have been coming to Medellin and then one day out of nowhere she blurts out she has an older sister who needs some training. She shows me a pic on her phone and I say, "That's you". I was her sister's first P4P and the second guy she ever had sex with and she was a wild cat in bed. The sister did a couple of natural moves on me that I have never seen before or since. Vennies. I saw the sister twice, then I must've given her some confidence because she went out and got herself a boyfriend.

The next to last foto is the same four-way with the girls lined up in doggy. I wrote they were good friends and I believe their affection and comfort level with each other shows thru in this pic. I will never forget those sessions. For me, it's all about how much love can we fill the room, most of the time.

End with a fun foto. Those are the same two chicas who I mentioned in the previous post would do lesbian Web camming. Funny thing, they weren't really lesbians. They cheated on the kisses and the oral for the camera, but would go all out for me as a favor. Talk about some sweet holes.

I hope you enjoyed my review of having sex in Medellin with more than one chica at a time.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2735172]Like the brother in the Cartagena thread always taking cold showers because he thought the see meant cold so he never turned that one. One day he finally tried it and realized see was for Caliente. Usually there is an F on the other for Frio.[/QUOTE]Man, I know several people who did that same thing, either in LatAm or in French speaking countries. My question is always, 'WTF did you think the F meant?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735126]
Many years ago Minorista was a fun mongering venue, but nothing like before, not even close. And Centro since the Pandemic has gone in the opposite direction getting better and better to a certain degree.

Mongering venues do change for the better and the worse over time, as everyone knows, and my prediction is that Lleras is going to become a much bigger mongering venue after Construction is complete.

I don't have a crystal ball, but this is my prediction.[/QUOTE]True, mongering venues definitely change over time.

Did you mean the Mayorista, rather than Minorista that was a fun mongering venue?

Used to be great! (Mayorista).

[QUOTE=Balboa;2735341]True, mongering venues definitely change over time.

Did you mean the Mayorista, rather than Minorista that was a fun mongering venue?

Used to be great! (Mayorista).[/QUOTE]Yes Mayorista, it was a long time ago, over a decade ago. The majority of the board members here have no idea what were referring to. That was an era when gringo's where few and far between. A whole different world in a sense back then.

Less is often more.

[QUOTE=UniversalX;2735114]I had just thanked you for your part in the discussion, then you retort with condescending remarks but anyhoo. Since your the most prolific poster to this forum I guess you know best. I guess I'll move on from this forum.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LitmusSmut;2735163]There is no wrong way to monger. Of the dozen or so options, the park is just another one of them.

just another gem in the treasure box of Medellin[/QUOTE]Agree. The Park is not my style but I don't think one ounce less of anyone who likes it, loves it, wants to go there, hangs out there, makes it their primary destination, etc.

Medellin is all about options. So many different venues. Medellin is magical. Fuck, I got to stop thinking about it.

Literally in the couple of days before I left, I dropped a nice chunk of change on Catgirl's and my two casa builds and it turns out at least half the materials were not deliverable due to shortages, disruptions in supply chains, whatever you want to call it, same shit going on here in the US of A, too. I trust Catgirl to sort it out, thank goodness, or I might actually lose a few minutes sleep over it.

Also, started working on my visa options today. I haven't seen anyone talking about it here but the biggest revamp of the visa regulations in years, goes into effect October 21. I tried to read them but everything was in Spanish.

The "buzz" is all about the new "digital nomad" visa. I don't plan on going for it, but at first blush, it almost seems like if you started your own Web site about Medellin or Colombia with the right cultural interest and focus, and could pay yourself the minimum income requirement, you could get a "digital nomad" visa. BTW, I have no idea what I am talking about, jajajaja but maybe I will start my own Web site.

However, I get the impression that the Cultural Ministry of Colombia or whatever it's called is not looking to promote mongering, jajajaja.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735346]Yes Mayorista, it was a long time ago, over a decade ago. The majority of the board members here have no idea what were referring to. That was an era when gringo's where few and far between. A whole different world in a sense back then.[/QUOTE]Of course! I remember it very well.

I've been by there recently and it's a shell of its former glory.

Things change. For better or worse, they do change.

So I impulse bought a plane ticket to Bogota and then Medellin before even researching anything. I've spent the last couple days researching and booking hotels and so far my Medellin stay is covered with Hotel Dix in El Poblado and hotel Quinta Avenida in Laureles.

I have a few questions that I would appreciate if could be answered as there is so much info on many different websites and its becoming overwhelming plus not knowing if the information is up to date.

I have downloaded the Medellin map and there are a lot of locations in El Centro to ignore. Is it safe to walk down El Centro streets during the day going to all these locations without much issues with safety as long as I am careful or should I be taking a uber to these locations?

Are all the other locations outside of El Centro safe during the day? If you guys have recommendations of good value for money / great locations I would appreciate it.

I have seen a few independent escort advertising sites with good prices and I was wondering if people have had good experiences with these sites and also if staying at a love motel would they be required to give ID upon arrival to lower the chance of being drugged? I would be more inclined to try the site if the love motels require ID for the lady before entering the property after I check in.

There is also a decent amount of escorts advertising incall in the popular safe areas and I am wondering if incalls are risky or safe in general in these safe areas?

I speak 0 Spanish and I know that doesn't work in my favor but I also know that women will have a negotiation when they are denied on their price and I'm assuming that I will be taken advantage of. Is the Medellin map prices still valid in 2022?

That's all I can think of at the moment but I value any opinions.

You are master of the fucking universe LOL.

Thanks a lot for the tips and one hell of a very useful reply.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2735109]My casa numbers are relatively low, however, and you may need further opinion from someone else.

If there's one thing true about casas that has been said over and over is that virtually anything can be found or had for a price. If you are willing to plunk down the pesos, you will get anything you want, assuming the legality of your kink. A good place to start is the madam. In fact, if I have something specific in mind, I will sometimes skip the line-up and go directly to the madam with questions like, "Who gives the best blowjobs? Who loves to take it up the ass? Who can deep throat and not come up for air"?.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to say thank you. Your map is precise and usable information.

[QUOTE=WorldTravel69;2734139][URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?hl=en&mid=1UxdkQ9-vm36hqZmjE87YQcheNFdWBiKd&ll=6.20997581540802%2C-75.53233875&z=13[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2418-Medellin-Lists[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2735464]A

The "buzz" is all about the new "digital nomad" visa. I don't plan on going for it, but at first blush, it almost seems like if you started your own Web site about Medellin or Colombia with the right cultural interest and focus, and could pay yourself the minimum income requirement, you could get a "digital nomad" visa. BTW, I have no idea what I am talking about, jajajaja but maybe I will start my own Web site.

However, I get the impression that the Cultural Ministry of Colombia or whatever it's called is not looking to promote mongering, jajajaja.[/QUOTE]Probably the biggest change is with the Pensioners Visa. I know two guys that got them this year and they were only issued for a year versus three years under the new regulations. Also, regardless of the Visa you obtain, you must have Colombian Health Insurance, and that's a whole topic in itself.

And there is no longer a way someone can show up with approximately 250,000 $ USD, invest the money in a business or property, and within six months be a Colombian resident. Residency now requires being in Country five years before you can even apply for residency.

In your case, perhaps they will issue you a special "Mongering Visa."

I think I failed at my Facebook attempts for my week vacation. I added women who had devil horns and hearts and stuff and even added names that were given from nice board members, but out of the 94 Friends I have only two messaged me back and both wanted in excess of 600 mil. I'm not the most attractive 50 year old, but I'm average. I think I'm going to stick to the casas mentioned here and maybe go on the websites too. Maybe next trip I'll change my Facebook approach but I think it's too late to fix now.

What I wrote was something like this:

Hola #NAME,

Estare en Medellin el sabado por una semana. Me gustaria verte.

If this type of message is in poor form please let me know.

Thanks,

DSM.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2735208]Those of you who follow me will recognize some of these.

The first foto, the sisters in Cucuta. That was before I had a beard and was not dyeing my mustache and my hair was still short. That was the escapade when I had to jump out of a second story balcony to get away from their posse that was coming up the front stairs. Since no one was hurt, worth it. The sister on the left of the foto had one of the prettiest faces I ever saw and her sister was insanely jealous. I spent 3 days and 2 nights with them. One of the craziest weekends I ever had in Colombia. Both were Web cam models and that's how I met them, online.

Second foto, first time my Number Two chica Scarlet just happened to overlap with my Number Six chica who was seven months pregnant at the time. Solid session but we never repeated, sometimes it goes like that.

A lot of guys will remember this four-way foto of these chica lined up in doggy. Only the middle girl was ever on my List. We had fun for weeks before it finally broke up like they all do in the end. Fantastic sex and the chicas were good friends, at one point all living together in Castilla. The session shown I took my hotel desk chair that had wheels and rolled back and forth on them first seated, licking their pussies and assholes. Then kneeling and fucking them. The one on the left moved to Mexico with a guy, I still see the other two regularly.

The next three fotos stretches the definition of a "three-way" a little. I was taking my Number Two and my Number Three chicas on the Metro to the dentist at Mayorca Mall. Once there, I made them both give me a blow job in the handicapped bathroom. They did not hesistate for a second but they both called me crazy, separately.

The next foto, the red one, if someone is keeping historical archive fotos you might want to add this one. This is the room and the party where I discoverd bombillos, jajajajaja, that have since seem to have caught on a bit in the mongering scene. Started here. There was a fourth girl in the room, making this a five-way. You can see her leg in the right, lower corner..[/QUOTE]Man those are some of the finest 5's in all of Medellin. Dude, I love your reports but damn, those girls are so average. I only been going to Medellin since 15 but damn I know how to find some fine hoes. Let me know if I can help you.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]So I impulse bought a plane ticket to Bogota and then Medellin before even researching anything. [/QUOTE]I am sure someone will give you shit for your "damn the torpedoes" approach but I like it.

Yeah, you can walk around where you want in El Centro during the day, with a modicum of common sense and street smarts.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735039]Interesting that she asked to be paid after showering versus before taking her clothes off.

I typically tell new ones that I always pay afterwards before taking them upstairs.

Another option if they ask for the money upfront, not that all of $ 10 USD is going to break you, is tell them you will pay 1/2 upfront and the other half afterwards.

Another thing I sometimes tell new ones is that if the service is good there will be a tip, and to some that is music to their ears as the locals don't tip much if at all.

Regardless, it's always a red flag when a Chica asks to be paid up front, and your lucky that she didn't just lay there dead as that is typically the outcome.[/QUOTE]Good advice, thanks. I'll be sure to start mentioning possible propina, I incorrectly assumed they know it's always on the table.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735039] pay 1/2 upfront and the other half afterwards.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's exactly what I did once. The girl insisted on upfront, I didn't budge, but since she appeared more afraid I won't pay rather than playing me, we compromised on half / half.

The session was 'meh'. She wasn't very engaged just going through the motions and super serious or even stressed most of the time. Awesome tits though (that was the selling point for me). Looked borderline freakish on her otherwise very thin body with narrow hips (too narrow for my tastes).

She made somewhat strange, quiet, mousy 'iiih' sound every time I nailed her deep. I guess her attempt to be sexy. We also got into the argument about light. She wanted to do it in almost complete darkness.
Then she didn't want to get on top (I didn't understand her Spanish to know why). And when she was in the shower she also made sure the doors are closed and maybe even locked (first chica I sessioned with that ever did that).

She must be a bit new I think and just seemed fearful. I've only seen her once working el Centro since then, on Saturday, looking a bit paranoid and startled.

Also, after I came from the shower she said I should bring my things with me and that she could've robbed me but isn't one of those girls. She wasn't aware that I kept my things in the corner of my eye at all times during the shower (but thanks for not trying to rob me anyway! ).

Those were the day. Back 15 years ago and more, the Mansion had no night life, so you had to find your own. Mayorista was fun. Have a few years, get something local to eat and walk back and forth looking at all of the girls who were lined up against the buildings or in the small bars and restaurants. Pick what you wanted for dirt cheap and go to one of about 3-4 love motels right there. There were some gems back in those days. But that was also the wild west. I can remember two guys from the Mansion standing on the street curb (while I was looking for chicas) snorting coke off some homeless guy's cardboard box. Who knows what was in that coke. I can still remember one spinner with a bubble butt who I had a few times. Miss her.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735346]Yes Mayorista, it was a long time ago, over a decade ago. The majority of the board members here have no idea what were referring to. That was an era when gringo's where few and far between. A whole different world in a sense back then.[/QUOTE]

Girl (or guy) is using stolen pictures of a Russian. Has what looks like Dubai in the bg of one of the pics, as well as Russian sign in the bg of another.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100047094101395[/URL]

She doesn't look like any Colombiana for starters, not even one of the whiter ones. Normally I'd just ignore this but she managed to connect to 4.5 k people, including a vast number of monger profiles and real FB chicas.

Profile pic attached in case she changes her profile name.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]
I have downloaded the Medellin map and there are a lot of locations in El Centro to ignore. Is it safe to walk down El Centro streets during the day going to all these locations without much issues with safety as long as I am careful or should I be taking a uber to these locations?

Are all the other locations outside of El Centro safe during the day? If you guys have recommendations of good value for money / great locations I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]This depends a lot on your street smarts and what you're comfortable with. There is lots of homelessness, poverty, and open drug use in the area. If you've seen that in your hometown and are okay navigating that, you should be okay in El Centro too. That said, not speaking any of the language puts you at a huge disadvantage. There are tourists and plenty of police in El Centro during daytime hours. Parts are very safe but the fringes can get iffy.

I felt fine during the day walking about and visiting the casas in the area. I was fine after dark too but it did get deserted in some areas. My experience has been that Colombians and those in Medellin are not terribly aggressive and generally pretty nice. Map prices are probably pretty close, likely within 10 k.

There's always a risk of something going south no matter where you are. I'd say the casas are probably one of the safest routes to go, especially with no Spanish. I'd suggest trying to learn some basic phrases and getting familiar with a translation app.

[QUOTE=Pinnacle1966;2735503]Man those are some of the finest 5's in all of Medellin. Dude, I love your reports but damn, those girls are so average. I only been going to Medellin since 15 but damn I know how to find some fine hoes. Let me know if I can help you.[/QUOTE]He doesn't need any help finding finer hoe's meaning something above a 5.

If he wanted them, he would have them.

In fact, I would venture to say that his "crew", albeit not beauty queens, are providing much better service than a lot of the "finer hoes" whom know they are very attractive, and can get away with providing shitty service, where as their uglier sisters cannot if that makes sense.

For some guys here it's all about how pretty the girls are, and there's nothing wrong with that, as everybody rolls differently.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2735497]I added women who had devil horns
[/QUOTE]Like this? Jeje.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735490]Probably the biggest change is with the Pensioners Visa. I know two guys that got them this year and they were only issued for a year versus three years under the new regulations. Also, regardless of the Visa you obtain, you must have Colombian Health Insurance, and that's a whole topic in itself.

And there is no longer a way someone can show up with approximately 250,000 $ USD, invest the money in a business or property, and within six months be a Colombian resident. Residency now requires being in Country five years before you can even apply for residency.

In your case, perhaps they will issue you a special "Mongering Visa."[/QUOTE]Since I was under the impression that the new visa regs supposedly don't go into effect until late October. As with many things Colombian, what they say, what they write down, and what the do, can be three different things depending on the day of the week and where you are in the country, so I suppose we'll have to wait and see.

[QUOTE=Pinnacle1966;2735503]Man those are some of the finest 5's in all of Medellin. Dude, I love your reports but damn, those girls are so average. I only been going to Medellin since 15 but damn I know how to find some fine hoes. Let me know if I can help you.[/QUOTE]Stop the cap, let me see these diamonds you pulling.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735707]He doesn't need any help finding finer hoe's meaning something above a 5.

If he wanted them, he would have them.

In fact, I would venture to say that his "crew", albeit not beauty queens, are providing much better service than a lot of the "finer hoes" whom know they are very attractive, and can get away with providing shitty service, where as their uglier sisters cannot if that makes sense.

For some guys here it's all about how pretty the girls are, and there's nothing wrong with that, as everybody rolls differently.[/QUOTE]Probably my mostly good-natured response to him will be up by the time you and anyone else reads this.

I must be wearing rose-colored glasses. Love will do that to you. My chicas look gorgeous to me, jaajajaja and even more, they excite me sexually. Plus, I usually don't post with the intent of "look how beautiful my chica is". Sometimes I will talk about slapping some make-up, jewelry and fancy clothes on a chica to make her appear more like the Park Lleras type, but in general I don't think like that.

I also pay no-nevermind to the supposed correlation between looks and service. Personally, I think it's a myth with a zero coefficient, but I am not interested in debating that point. I treat all chicas the same, which includes respect.

My former training and profession as an artist means I can objectively assess "beauty" better than the average bear. Sometimes I look up from licking pussy or at the girl sleeping next to me and think, "Wow, she's really beautiful", from an aesthetic sense, not emotionally. Other times, not as pretty, for sure but the thought is generally not on my mind.

By not having specfic physical requirements for a chica, not only am I happier and easier to please, I find myself with a surprisingly high number of what most guys would call "nines or tens". I can't fully explain that beyond my own biased, empirical observation, but I can tell you one way for sure to pay more and get shittier service is to treat some girls like they are better than others, solely based on looks. Most guys never reach that point.

Well, there was that time I licked She-Hulk's poop chute in MDE. Jajajajaja, remember her? I licked her ass at her girlfriend's request, she delivered the Hulk to me. I feel a little bad writing that because she was a genuinely nice Hulk, and childhood friend of her beautiful counterpart.

Would do it all again without hesitation. The unplanned payoff was the gorgeous girlfriend (if you like the fashion model type, I'll look for a couple of fotos) started showing up for free booty calls at my hotel after that for quite a while, until she got bored, again. Jajajajajaaaaaaaaaajajaja.

Like I said, I take no offense if guys' opinions about beauty and attractiveness are different than mine, that's what makes horses race. The motives for posting about it are a bit questionable, but no big deal. Same ol' chestnut 'round here, mostly due to the poster's need for self-validation and projection. But I will tell you, I get more than a few PM requests for contact info for a variety of girls who fotos I posted, even though I have repeatedly said I don't provide that info. Go figure. Shows to go you, one man's beauty is another guy's dud!

All five fotos of same chica I mentioned above. Very attractive, I would have to give her an 8. 7757552. She used to visit me for free, middle of the night (booty calls) so I would lick her ass, and other fun. Obviously, if you don't your chicas built like a Manhattan runway model with a cute face, not to mention a clam-shell pussy like a Vise-Grip, then she is not your type, jajajajajaaaa. Or she could be your cream dream. Waste of time to try and get other guys to see it your way, and there is a lot of that going on here.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735707]He doesn't need any help finding finer hoe's meaning something above a 5.

If he wanted them, he would have them.

In fact, I would venture to say that his "crew", albeit not beauty queens, are providing much better service than a lot of the "finer hoes" whom know they are very attractive, and can get away with providing shitty service, where as their uglier sisters cannot if that makes sense.

For some guys here it's all about how pretty the girls are, and there's nothing wrong with that, as everybody rolls differently.[/QUOTE]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service. This is not always the case. Ugly girls can provide shitty service as well. Service has nothing to do with how a girl looks. Service depends on various factors. Her attitude, vibes, chemistry between you and her, ambiance of the place / venue, etc. Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service just don't know any better, they don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.

Maybe its different for Pensionado visa renewals. The Pensionado-Rentista renewal I got this summer is good for 2 years.

I assume it was only 2 years because after that, one should be eligible for the Resident instead of Migrant class of visa. Five years of M gets you an R. Five years of R and you become eligible for citizenship and a passport.

But I know other changes are coming into effect in Oct regarding property purchase visas. Currently if you spend above $150k you can get an R. After October you can only get an M. So its not a bad idea to buy property now and get the visa and a great exchange rate.


[QUOTE=Surfer500;2735490]Probably the biggest change is with the Pensioners Visa. I know two guys that got them this year and they were only issued for a year versus three years under the new regulations. Also, regardless of the Visa you obtain, you must have Colombian Health Insurance, and that's a whole topic in itself.

And there is no longer a way someone can show up with approximately 250,000 $ USD, invest the money in a business or property, and within six months be a Colombian resident. Residency now requires being in Country five years before you can even apply for residency.

In your case, perhaps they will issue you a special "Mongering Visa."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809].... but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection...........[/QUOTE]Seriously?? You believe that??

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2735497]I think I failed at my Facebook attempts for my week vacation. I added women who had devil horns and hearts and stuff and even added names that were given from nice board members, but out of the 94 Friends I have only two messaged me back and both wanted in excess of 600 mil. I'm not the most attractive 50 year old, but I'm average. I think I'm going to stick to the casas mentioned here and maybe go on the websites too. Maybe next trip I'll change my Facebook approach but I think it's too late to fix now.

What I wrote was something like this:

Hola #NAME,

Estare en Medellin el sabado por una semana. Me gustaria verte.

If this type of message is in poor form please let me know.

Thanks,

DSM.[/QUOTE]This is very wierd. I send a message very similar to this when contacting a new FB girl. I have been getting higher quotes lately but nothing close to 600 k. Unless that's for an overnight with a supermodel level girl that's crazy money for a single visit in Medellin. Unless inflation has gone insane in the last two months since my last visit haha. But don't give up buddy. Its a pain in the ass to start but once you get going FB is an amazing tool for getting hot chicks in Medellin. Just keep trying and it will get better.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service. This is not always the case. Ugly girls can provide shitty service as well. Service has nothing to do with how a girl looks. Service depends on various factors. Her attitude, vibes, chemistry between you and her, ambiance of the place / venue, etc. Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service just don't know any better, they don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.[/QUOTE]I happen to believe looks and performance have a correlation coefficient of zero. That means it's completely random but a lot of mongerers personalize, project, and are understandably biased about such experiences. Sometimes one or two experiences stand out postively or negatively so far away from the mean for them that it biases them for life.

I possibly don't agree that it always takes "game, looks, money, etc" to score a hottie, but the example you were using was guys who complain about shitty service with hotties, and that may be a subpopulation for which that is true, so perhaps you and I are in agreement there, also.

I just submitted a post where I wrote about treating all girls the same regardless of their perceived level of attractiveness. I am a firm believer in this. I've had more than one gorgeous hottie submit to my desires because I did not treat her like she was special. I treated her with respect and no different than I would anyone else and she and others like her pick up on that. In fact, I believe in treating everyone the same as much as possible.

Albert Einstein who is one of my personal heroes not because of his scientific genius but because of his philosophy on life put it like this, "I speak to everyone the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university". I also like the Rudyard Kipling quote which is more about the constancy inside you, ""If you can walk with the crowd and keep your virtue, or walk with Kings and not lose the common touch" . . . As being a desirable state.

Fotos: The first two fotos was of a Top Twenty most beautiful chica I ever banged, and then without warning she started making milk. She wasn't polished or educated. I found her on the street. But she was as beautiful, sweet and sexy as they come.

And then, to prove my love for you guys, I searched for twenty minutes and found the 3 fotos of She-Hulk! One new foto never shown before Jaajajajajajajajjajaajajajaajjaajajajaaaaajajajajajaja. See previous post for what eating out her ass got me. Disgusting in the short term, worth it in the long run. That's her friend in the background and my reward for at least a few weeks of repeated free sex for spending less than ten minutes in the butt crack of She Hulk. I know MiamiToy, nothing in the known universe could get you to do what I did and there's a lot of mongerers who would agree with you. That's what makes horse races, jajajja! Actually, Hulk doesn't look so bad in the foreground in the last foto, jaja.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2735839]This is very wierd. I send a message very similar to this when contacting a new FB girl. I have been getting higher quotes lately but nothing close to 600 k. Unless that's for an overnight with a supermodel level girl that's crazy money for a single visit in Medellin. Unless inflation has gone insane in the last two months since my last visit haha. But don't give up buddy. Its a pain in the ass to start but once you get going FB is an amazing tool for getting hot chicks in Medellin. Just keep trying and it will get better.[/QUOTE]How much are they quoting now? A price update would be very helpful now. I think all the girls know about USD-COP exchange rate increases.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2735823]Seriously?? You believe that??[/QUOTE]Not only I believe that, I practice that!

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2735497]I think I failed at my Facebook attempts for my week vacation. I added women who had devil horns and hearts and stuff and even added names that were given from nice board members, but out of the 94 Friends I have only two messaged me back and both wanted in excess of 600 mil. I'm not the most attractive 50 year old, but I'm average. I think I'm going to stick to the casas mentioned here and maybe go on the websites too. Maybe next trip I'll change my Facebook approach but I think it's too late to fix now.

What I wrote was something like this:

Hola #NAME,.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say your message is in [B]poor[/B] form but I think you're shooting yourself in the dick a little bit. Why tell them you're visiting for a week? That tells them you're a tourist and you probably don't know the scene and so they start out asking for the triple rate. Afterall maybe you don't know what the fair market value is and you'll grab her offer out of hand.

I usually use a greeting like:

Hola Maria (substitute her name), mucho gusto. Me estoy quedando en un hotel bonito en Laureles (or Poblado or where ever you are staying). A veces estoy aburrido why me gustaria la compania de una mujer hermosa como tu. Podriamos planear una cita traviesa? Gracias.

Tienes WhatsApp? Mi numero es: +1 xxx yyy zzzz.

The last line is only needed if you want to switch your conversation to WhatsApp and so, it could be skipped.

If I didn't f* up my Spanish. It would loosely translate as follows:

Hello Maria, it's a pleasure to meet you. I am staying in a nice hotel in Laureles. Sometimes I am bored and I would like the company of a beautiful woman like you. Could we plan a naughty meeting? Thanks.

Do you have WhatsApp? My number is: +1 (xxx) yyy-zzzz.

That way she doesn't know if you are a visitor or a resident or what. I usually say I've been living in Medellin for 3 years but I don't think you need to say that. I usually get a response saying something like: Yes, when would you like to plan a visit. I don't usually initiate a discussion about pricing but I always plan on paying the FB girl 200 + taxis. Some will bring up the price, most of the girls I talk to don't. Some guys think it is better to bring it up to preclude any kind of misunderstanding. Your choice.

If you have some special kinks you want, that would involve another couple of sentences.

Deberia dicirte sobre mis preferencias.

I should tell you about my preferences. They will almost always say. Dime (tell me).

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2735839]This is very wierd. I send a message very similar to this when contacting a new FB girl. I have been getting higher quotes lately but nothing close to 600 k. Unless that's for an overnight with a supermodel level girl that's crazy money for a single visit in Medellin. Unless inflation has gone insane in the last two months since my last visit haha. But don't give up buddy. Its a pain in the ass to start but once you get going FB is an amazing tool for getting hot chicks in Medellin. Just keep trying and it will get better.[/QUOTE]I appreciate the feedback. I'll keep going for it and maybe my next MDE trip will bear more fruit. (I put a smiley face at the end but I guess the forum hates that, LOL).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809].....but to make her like or love them, [B]because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735867]Not only I believe that, I practice that![/QUOTE]Working girls are likely to fall in love (or like) with your wallet and not so much with you. Sorry if that doesn't make you feel special but it is reality. As to whether you have great sex, it depends a lot on the girl. Does she really love sex or is she just trying to feed her family? Can you speak to her in Spanish and not make her feel like a puta? Or are you boring her senseless with your translator app? Are you clean and well trimmed (both heads) and hygienic? That will make a difference to her.

None of this will make her love you but it will keep her from trying to make your date the shortest time possible so she can get her money and get out of your room. Now, if you are saying [B]you[/B] need to feel love or a special connection to have great sex. Well that is on you and has next to nothing to do with the girl.

So I'll leave you to ponder this: I've had great, mind bending sex with several girls here in Medellin (and by no means am I saying all of them. Or even the majority of them). None of them were in love with me and I certainly wasn't in love with them. I look more like a bald Walter Matthau than Brad Pitt, and I'm hardly rich, although that is a somewhat relative comparison. So for those reasons I dispute your pretense.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2735539]Girl (or guy) is using stolen pictures of a Russian. Has what looks like Dubai in the bg of one of the pics, as well as Russian sign in the bg of another.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100047094101395[/URL]

She doesn't look like any Colombiana for starters, not even one of the whiter ones. Normally I'd just ignore this but she managed to connect to 4.5 k people, including a vast number of monger profiles and real FB chicas.

Profile pic attached in case she changes her profile name.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she sent me a friend request & I accepted. After some chit-chat I proposed she come to visit me at my hotel. Well, she told me she does not have a cedula but if I sent her some money to buy one then she would come visit me. I told her that would be impossible so we never spoke again. Another fleece-them artist.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service...[/QUOTE]Sufer is talking about prostitutes and you generalize it to girls.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]... they don't have what it takes (game, looks, [b]money[/b], etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them....[/QUOTE]Would you get great connection by offering 30 mil to the girls you personally met?

There is also a skill difference which can make a difference in service quality.

[QUOTE=RoundtheWorld;2735819]Maybe its different for Pensionado visa renewals. The Pensionado-Rentista renewal I got this summer is good for 2 years.[/QUOTE]Yes for renewals they have been issuing them for a period greater than one year, however for the two guys I know who applied for the first time this year it's only been for a year, which supposedly will change in October.

As far as becoming a Citizen after five years of being a resident, well it requires you pass some type of tests, I think language and history, no different than becoming a US Citizen, however I think if your older than 65 they waive the testing requirement.

Regardless, they've made the Country less friendly for business investments getting rid of the investors Visa in October, and with the new President, new tax schemes will be going into place.

A few years ago they had a Wealth Tax based on worldwide income in place that expired, and Petro is coming up with a new scheme.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.[/QUOTE]I have had plenty of great sex with chicks that I have just walked up to and said how much. I am not trying to jedi any prostitutes into connecting with me. There are plenty of chicks that are not prostitutes to get a great connection with. And guess what. I have had horrible sex with chicks that I have had a great connection with and great sex with chicks there was no connection at all with. The same as looks have nothing to do with service, the connection has nothing to do with great sex.

Besides, I am still looking for someone to define what great sex is. Surely not everyone has the same definition or rather same experience of what great sex is. The same as everybody not having the same idea of what a great hot dog is. Connecting with someone will not make them clairvoyant and know he loves getting his balls licked from the back or he hates getting his balls licked from the back. It is by pure chance that people are having this idea of great sex together.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2735879]
Hello Maria, it's a pleasure to meet you. I am staying in a nice hotel in Laureles. Sometimes I am bored and I would like the company of a beautiful woman like you. Could we plan a naughty meeting? Thanks.
[/QUOTE]I would leave out "Sometimes I am bored and". To me, that is saying you're only considering her because you are bored.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2735839]This is very wierd. I send a message very similar to this when contacting a new FB girl.[/QUOTE]Did you guys find a message template in the MS Word library or smthg?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection.[/QUOTE]100% disagree with this statement. Some of the best sex I've had was with girls I barely knew or had just met but something about them made me desire them deeply. I know this is probably a minority opinion, even here on a monger forum, LOL.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service. This is not always the case. Ugly girls can provide shitty service as well. Service has nothing to do with how a girl looks. Service depends on various factors. Her attitude, vibes, chemistry between you and her, ambiance of the place / venue, etc. Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service just don't know any better, they don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.[/QUOTE]MB, I don't wish to pick on you all the time, but you write some really bizarre comments.

I agree that "Service depends on various factors" and "has nothing to do with how a girl looks". But then you say "Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc)". This I find an incredible claim. If Guy X can has great sex w Chica Ugly (by your subjective claim), you think that Chica Hot will have different needs to Chica Ugly in the sack? On what grounds do you base that?

"great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection" – now you sound like Elvis! Is this your alt profile?! The best sex I have had is with a girl in Pattaya that regularly bangs 10 guys per day. And the best I have in Col is w a Mileroticos girl that charges 60 mil.

"but to make her. Love them" – and this is really off the deep end. Pray tell, why on Earth would you want to do that w a girl that your paying for sex?

One day, I will buy you a beer for the entertainment you provide. But I guess you wouldn't drink beer unless it uses water distilled from the secret rivers of Tibet or Mongolia.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2736029]ISurely not everyone has the same definition or rather same experience of what great sex is. Connecting with someone will not make them clairvoyant and know he loves getting his balls licked from the back or he hates getting his balls licked from the back. It is by pure chance that people are having this idea of great sex together.[/QUOTE]Right. And not only that, but what works today might not work the same tomorrow. Depends on mood in the moment too.

I found a midget on tinder, wish me luck boys.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2736159]I found a midget on tinder, wish me luck boys.[/QUOTE]I'm pretty sure you'll be nuts over her.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2735879]I wouldn't say your message is in [B]poor[/B] form but I think you're shooting yourself in the dick a little bit. Why tell them you're visiting for a week? That tells them you're a tourist and you probably don't know the scene and so they start out asking for the triple rate. Afterall maybe you don't know what the fair market value is and you'll grab her offer out of hand.

I usually use a greeting like:

Hola Maria (substitute her name), mucho gusto. Me estoy quedando en un hotel bonito en Laureles (or Poblado or where ever you are staying). A veces estoy aburrido why me gustaria la compania de una mujer hermosa como tu. Podriamos planear una cita traviesa? Gracias.

Tienes WhatsApp? Mi numero es: +1 xxx yyy zzzz.

The last line is only needed if you want to switch your conversation to WhatsApp and so, it could be skipped.

If I didn't f* up my Spanish. It would loosely translate as follows:

Hello Maria, it's a pleasure to meet you. I am staying in a nice hotel in Laureles. Sometimes I am bored and I would like the company of a beautiful woman like you. Could we plan a naughty meeting? Thanks.

Do you have WhatsApp? My number is: +1 (xxx) yyy-zzzz.

That way she doesn't know if you are a visitor or a resident or what. I usually say I've been living in Medellin for 3 years but I don't think you need to say that. I usually get a response saying something like: Yes, when would you like to plan a visit. I don't usually initiate a discussion about pricing but I always plan on paying the FB girl 200 + taxis. Some will bring up the price, most of the girls I talk to don't. Some guys think it is better to bring it up to preclude any kind of misunderstanding. Your choice.

If you have some special kinks you want, that would involve another couple of sentences.

Deberia dicirte sobre mis preferencias.

I should tell you about my preferences. They will almost always say. Dime (tell me).[/QUOTE]Thanks a bunch for the specificity! I obviously need it LOL. I'm going to try this on a couple other women and see if I can stop shooting my dick.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2736102]MB, I don't wish to pick on you all the time, but you write some really bizarre comments.

I agree that "Service depends on various factors" and "has nothing to do with how a girl looks". But then you say "Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc)". This I find an incredible claim. If Guy X can has great sex w Chica Ugly (by your subjective claim), you think that Chica Hot will have different needs to Chica Ugly in the sack? On what grounds do you base that?

"great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection" now you sound like Elvis! Is this your alt profile?! The best sex I have had is with a girl in Pattaya that regularly bangs 10 guys per day. And the best I have in Col is w a Mileroticos girl that charges 60 mil.
[/QUOTE]Sorry, you are getting piled onto MB. That is the sport of this forum. It was funny to see Pile on Pauline get the pile on treatment when he dueled with JJBee. Pile on Pauline was actually in the right.

The funny part MB is if you said what you did anywhere but here, these dummies would be the ones getting skewered while you are one who would be getting praised.

I took the jabs from the insecure people here. Then I realized none of the guys mouthing off ever showed pics of any attractive women they were with which meant all the guys on the price police are fucking fat, ugly women. I can look at a pic of any woman in the USA and estimate how much she charges. But with these fools, the only thing that matters with price is location. They are actually trying to sell the notion that looks and performance do not matter. Since when?

And when I went for the better performing and looking women, I wondered if I was overpaying, but the prices were consistent. I even consulted with locals and saw I was not overpaying. I was just not fucking dogs at a discount. One guy said, "All women are in demand". Really? Guys are not willing to pay more for looks, personality, and performance. I repeat, since when? So you and I know these guys are totally full of shit right?

I get paying for sex. The truth is if you make a decent income, it is cheaper to pay. Hell, it is cheaper to fly to Colombia and pay for it than to have a wife or GF in the USA. I was so shell shocked after my divorce, the only way I could trust women at all was with a transaction, and I still feel that way with almost all American women. I have met only a small handful of beautiful American women who have not ridden their looks for money. My favorite line from one hottie was, "I am too pretty to work".

After the crazy trafficking laws, I went abroad. I found what I thought was a great gal and got engaged, but I still thought my only role as fiance was just to pay and was frustrated when she cut me off sexually. I was like I can see a ho for a whole lot less. Eventually, I caught in her a lie, and she broke it off. She told me that she felt like a ho. It took a long time and self reflection to realize that she was upset that I had a transactional feeling about our relationship.

As painful as the breakup was, a tremendously hot woman wanted me for more than money, and it boosted my confidence. That is something these clowns do not get. That boost in confidence was worth the heart break. Sure enough after that, I realized that there were other women who were not solely interested in me for money, and they tried to charm me with things other than their sexuality, and I was open to it. My current gal is one of the two most striking women I have seen, and one of the top dozen looks wise I have ever seen. I almost blew it with her because I thought no way a woman that hot would be interested in me. And now it is unreal. I have one of the best looking, best performing women in the world and she cannot get enough sex. The crazy part is she is more into the relationship than I am. She cries like a baby if she has to wait more than 3 weeks to have sex.

A buddy of mine told me when I was younger that guys think that a woman is the one, that no one is better than her, and there is always better, but I am older now. I know there is not better than what I have now. Still, as good as she is, I knew I would not get the best out of her unless I committed to her so after a few months, I did. I left behind amazing, beautiful, and incredibly performing women, and it was not easy giving them up, but I am glad I did.

And these guys? Have they found women this amazing and hot who fell for them and they gave up their ways and committed? No? What does that say about them then? No one in the outside world would look at me with my gal with Victoria Secret's dimensions on my arm adoring me and look at these single guys or guys with their hos and say, "You know, I do not know about this guy Elvis but these guys have it all figured out with women. " People can spot WGs a mile away, and these losers keep trying to say my gal is a ho. They are so clueless they do not even know the difference.

I get having to stay in the gutter. I had to do P4P as part of the healing process and be in the gutter too. I needed the transactional nature of P4P after my divorce, but I eventually realized there was better and unlike these guys, I kept trying to do better and so do you. I am glad you are not content hanging out in the gutters and trying to be king of them like these fools. You are smart to want out.

So yeah, MB, you are going to get hurt aiming high and unlike with these losers, you have to grow with the pain. If I had not had the painful breakups, I would not be where I am now. The best learning experiences I have had were the painful ones. I had to learn how to avoid getting hurt but to keep trying, and you do too. The gutter is enticing because it is almost pain free.

So MB, do not even listen to these guys. They are not just fucking losers but cowards. If you keep at it and learn from your experiences, you will get where I am. There is more to a man than his wallet and more to a woman than what is between her legs. You know you may have a keeper when a woman shows you she is trying to be more than just a good lay.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2736056]I would leave out "Sometimes I am bored and". To me, that is saying you're only considering her because you are bored.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2736091]Did you guys find a message template in the MS Word library or smthg?[/QUOTE]I've been reading the forum for a few months and this type of message was suggested. The modifications are great though. I'll let people know how it goes and will upload reports next week and hopefully noobies might find it informative.

Seems the forum is a little dry, so I'll add some spice to it. Ill come out from hiding. Sorry, no barrio stories this time. Not yet hehe. But there's definitely a barrio twist to this. So, about a month ago I hit up Loutron (Calle 16 a Sur #9 E-500, whatsapp is 57-313XXXX517) with a recently divorced high school buddy of mine. This was his first maiden trip to Medellin and to South America in general. He speaks very little Spanish despite the fact his ex-wife is Mexican. He's also Asian in his late 30's. I haven't been back to Loutron in like 7 or 8 years and I wanted to show him the creme de la creme in terms of casas. I'm not a Centro guy and I haven't hit a casa in years, but I wanted to see how Loutron is now compared to my last and only visit. It's also for nostalgia purposes.

But damn. I forgot it's way up in the hills in Las Palmas. The address is accurate and there's a gate entrance that clearly states the entire address, but it can be easily missed if you don't keep an eye out on the way up. You still have to drive up a rocky / dirt road for about 1-2 minutes and then reach the main mansion. The place is still what I remembered it with a nice and friendly mamasan, wide open space with a spiraling staircase, a lounge with a bar and girls walking around in their white labcoats. I didn't partake, but I think the prices were 380 mil for an hour, not exactly sure since I was there to spectate, not to participate. Girl quality was mid level to high end. There were about 10 girls, and I'll say 2 were super hotties IMO.

My buddy took one hottie. I declined since my style is usually BB everything and I know these girls will upsell from DFK to BBBJ. I waited while my buddy popped his first Colombian casa cherry albeit the exclusive and expensive kind. I decided to order a beer and got one as well for the other hottie. We ended up talking and asked her where she lives, surprisingly she said Bello. In my head, I'm like I got thissssss. Chino charm about to hit level 9,000 hehe. I told her I live in Bello too, we're neighbors! Of course, she didn't believe me. Then I proceeded to bust out my Bello barrio knowledge on her fine ass hehe. She was definitely surprised by how much I knew and the stuff that a typical gringo wouldn't know. I asked her what barrio she lives in, and when she told me Las Cabanas, it was checkmate. I know her barrio like the back of my hand and she was even more impressed. Needless to say, I got her number and the chance to hang out with her in Bello beats doing that in Las Palmas by miles in terms of distance and pricing as I would find out later. BTW, my buddy said his girl was fine as fuck, but everything was covered of course and very light kissing. Either way, he had a good time.

Fastforward to the following weekend, I hit up the Loutron girl and said I'll take her out to dinner, drinks and back to my apartment. There are some nice restaurants out here in Bello, obviously they're not up to Poblado standards, but at least you won't see gringos or gringo pricing. While on this topic, almost forgot to put out this gringo alert: Don't come out to Bello! It's too dangerous!! Ok, got that out the way hehe.

I asked her how much for the date, she said 350 mil. I countered with 250 mil and said DFK and BBBJ are a must. She said OK, game on! We had dinner and drinks in Obrero, shared many stories, and the chemistry was unreal. We hit up a nearby club, and drank and partied till around 1 am, then back to my apartment which was about a 5 minute cab ride. Her body was soft to the touch and her ass was bubblelicious. She started with BBBJ and we did multiple positions and finished with CIM, which was quite a surprise since I didn't ask for it in advance, it just happened on the spot and she didn't say no hehe. We chilled for another hour and she took indriver back to her spot afterwards. Damage was 250 mil plus 15 mil taxi for a 6 hour date.

A definite repeat, which in fact happened a couple times already since our first aforementioned date. A couple weeks later she invited me to a finca for her friend's birthday party, the pic of us at the finca. That's another story, for another time. Cheers everyone!

[QUOTE=Tasss;2735853]How much are they quoting now? A price update would be very helpful now. I think all the girls know about USD-COP exchange rate increases.[/QUOTE]Last few years, new FB girls always asked for like 300 k-350 k and I was always able to talk them down to a much lower price no problem. The last month or so several of them have asked 350 k-450 k and have been very reluctant to agree to any less. Mind you these are new girls. My usual girls never ask me for any specific amount anymore and are happy with what I give them. But it looks like new girls are trying to raise prices.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736195]Seems the forum is a little dry, so I'll add some spice to it. Ill come out from hiding. Sorry, no barrio stories this time. Not yet hehe. But there's definitely a barrio twist to this. So, about a month ago I hit up Loutron [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue]) with a recently divorced high school buddy of mine. This was his first maiden trip to Medellin and to South America in general. He speaks very little Spanish despite the fact his ex-wife is Mexican. He's also Asian in his late 30's. I haven't been back to Loutron in like 7 or 8 years and I wanted to show him the creme de la creme in terms of casas. I'm not a Centro guy and I haven't hit a casa in years, but I wanted to see how Loutron is now compared to my last and only visit. It's also for nostalgia purposes.

But damn. I forgot it's way up in the hills in Las Palmas. The address is accurate and there's a gate entrance that clearly states the entire address, but it can be easily missed if you don't keep an eye out on the way up. You still have to drive up a rocky / dirt road for about 1-2 minutes and then reach the main mansion. The place is still what I remembered it with a nice and friendly mamasan, wide open space with a spiraling staircase, a lounge with a bar and girls walking around in their white labcoats. I didn't partake, but I think the prices were 380 mil for an hour, not exactly sure since I was there to spectate, not to participate. Girl quality was mid level to high end. There were about 10 girls, and I'll say 2 were super hotties IMO.

My buddy took one hottie. I declined since my style is usually BB everything and I know these girls will upsell from DFK to BBBJ. I waited while my buddy popped his first Colombian casa cherry albeit the exclusive and expensive kind. I decided to order a beer and got one as well for the other hottie. We ended up talking and asked her where she lives, surprisingly she said Bello. In my head, I'm like I got thissssss. Chino charm about to hit level 9,000 hehe. I told her I live in Bello too, we're neighbors! Of course, she didn't believe me. Then I proceeded to bust out my Bello barrio knowledge on her fine ass hehe. She was definitely surprised by how much I knew and the stuff that a typical gringo wouldn't know. I asked her what barrio she lives in, and when she told me Las Cabanas, it was checkmate. I know her barrio like the back of my hand and she was even more impressed. Needless to say, I got her number and the chance to hang out with her in Bello beats doing that in Las Palmas by miles in terms of distance and pricing as I would find out later. BTW, my buddy said his girl was fine as fuck, but everything was covered of course and very light kissing. Either way, he had a good time.

Fastforward to the following weekend, I hit up the Loutron girl and said I'll take her out to dinner, drinks and back to my apartment. There are some nice restaurants out here in Bello, obviously they're not up to Poblado standards, but at least you won't see gringos or gringo pricing. While on this topic, almost forgot to put out this gringo alert: Don't come out to Bello! It's too dangerous!! Ok, got that out the way hehe.

I asked her how much for the date, she said 350 mil. I countered with 250 mil and said DFK and BBBJ are a must. She said OK, game on! We had dinner and drinks in Obrero, shared many stories, and the chemistry was unreal. We hit up a nearby club, and drank and partied till around 1 am, then back to my apartment which was about a 5 minute cab ride. Her body was soft to the touch and her ass was bubblelicious. She started with BBBJ and we did multiple positions and finished with CIM, which was quite a surprise since I didn't ask for it in advance, it just happened on the spot and she didn't say no hehe. We chilled for another hour and she took indriver back to her spot afterwards. Damage was 250 mil plus 15 mil taxi for a 6 hour date.

A definite repeat, which in fact happened a couple times already since our first aforementioned date. A couple weeks later she invited me to a finca for her friend's birthday party, the pic of us at the finca. That's another story, for another time. Cheers everyone![/QUOTE]She's stunning and she sounds like a nice person, congrats!

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736195]
A definite repeat, which in fact happened a couple times already since our first aforementioned date. A couple weeks later she invited me to a finca for her friend's birthday party, the pic of us at the finca. That's another story, for another time. Cheers everyone![/QUOTE]Good for you Chino lindo! Lol.

Charm and Spanish did you good!

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736195]

Fastforward to the following weekend, I hit up the Loutron girl and said I'll take her out to dinner, drinks and back to my apartment. There are some nice restaurants out here in Bello, obviously they're not up to Poblado standards, but at least you won't see gringos or gringo pricing. While on this topic, almost forgot to put out this gringo alert: Don't come out to Bello! It's too dangerous!! Ok, got that out the way hehe.

I asked her how much for the date, she said 350 mil. I countered with 250 mil and said DFK and BBBJ are a must. She said OK, game on! We had dinner and drinks in Obrero, shared many stories, and the chemistry was unreal. We hit up a nearby club, and drank and partied till around 1 am, then back to my apartment which was about a 5 minute cab ride. Her body was soft to the touch and her ass was bubblelicious. She started with BBBJ and we did multiple positions and finished with CIM, which was quite a surprise since I didn't ask for it in advance, it just happened on the spot and she didn't say no hehe. We chilled for another hour and she took indriver back to her spot afterwards. Damage was 250 mil plus 15 mil taxi for a 6 hour date.

A definite repeat, which in fact happened a couple times already since our first aforementioned date. A couple weeks later she invited me to a finca for her friend's birthday party, the pic of us at the finca. That's another story, for another time. Cheers everyone![/QUOTE]RR, that is a great story. I remember Pile on Pauline chiding you that your being stabbed was just a matter of time which I just shook my head at that, but one of the dumbest things he said was that all of Colombia was a scam. I know he hangs in the gutter, but the Colombia you are seeing and the one I am seeing are totally different than the ones these clowns describe. You won a girl over with charm and fun and had a blast. That is what I have seen and done. I am seeing the best of Colombia not a nation that is just one big scam.

That said, I should probably insulate you from the barbs that are coming by making up my own (in jest):

I scored a better chick in El Centro for 10 k COP and a can of spam.

Next time you go out with her, she is going to scopalamine you and steal everything in your apartment.

Next time you go out with her in Bello, you, she, and your dog are all going to get stabbed.

You way, way, way overpaid.

Dude, are you falling for a WG? WTF is the matter with you? Obviously, I know your situation way better than you do.

RR, I have called the other guys Medellin morons, but you are a Medellin marvel. I hope you keep posting man. It is nice to see a monger who does things the right way.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service. This is not always the case. Ugly girls can provide shitty service as well. Service has nothing to do with how a girl looks. Service depends on various factors. Her attitude, vibes, chemistry between you and her, ambiance of the place / venue, etc. Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service just don't know any better, they don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.[/QUOTE]This might come as a surprise, but I mostly agree with you. Just need to clarify "great connection. ".

You are correct that there are many factors involved with great service. Too many to discuss at this time.

Instead of "great connection" I want to use "compatible goals. " In any encounter each person wants to get something out of it. For example, some guys really want to finish with COF. If a girl won't allow it, it's not going to be great. However, if unprompted she encourages it, an average session might quickly become a great one.

In the beginning of a relationship goal compatibility is high. You want to please her, she wants to please you, better chance for better sex. However, that quickly goes away. Even though the great connection remains, both won't always be on the same page and the sex won't always be the greatest.

By the way what happened to the legendary slapshot. And Thanks rice rocket. I rarely entertain since having passport issues but the site was really dry til you brought some liquid quality into play. I hail you the New Medellin don, replacing slapshot LOL.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736195]Seems the forum is a little dry, so I'll add some spice to it. Ill come out from hiding. Sorry, no barrio stories this time. Not yet hehe. But there's definitely a barrio twist to this. So, about a month ago I hit up Loutron (Calle 16 a Sur #9 E-500, whatsapp is 57-313-703-5517) with a recently divorced high school buddy of mine. This was his first maiden trip to Medellin and to South America in general. He speaks very little Spanish despite the fact his ex-wife is Mexican. He's also Asian in his late 30's. I haven't been back to Loutron in like 7 or 8 years and I wanted to show him the creme de la creme in terms of casas. I'm not a Centro guy and I haven't hit a casa in years, but I wanted to see how Loutron is now compared to my last and only visit. It's also for nostalgia purposes.

But damn. I forgot it's way up in the hills in Las Palmas. The address is accurate and there's a gate entrance that clearly states the entire address, but it can be easily missed if you don't keep an eye out on the way up. You still have to drive up a rocky / dirt road for about 1-2 minutes and then reach the main mansion. The place is still what I remembered it with a nice and friendly mamasan, wide open space with a spiraling staircase, a lounge with a bar and girls walking around in their white labcoats. I didn't partake, but I think the prices were 380 mil for an hour, not exactly sure since I was there to spectate, not to participate. Girl quality was mid level to high end. There were about 10 girls, and I'll say 2 were super hotties IMO.

My buddy took one hottie. I declined since my style is usually BB everything and I know these girls will upsell from DFK to BBBJ. I waited while my buddy popped his first Colombian casa cherry albeit the exclusive and expensive kind. I decided to order a beer and got one as well for the other hottie. We ended up talking and asked her where she lives, surprisingly she said Bello. In my head, I'm like I got thissssss. Chino charm about to hit level 9,000 hehe. I told her I live in Bello too, we're neighbors! Of course, she didn't believe me. Then I proceeded to bust out my Bello barrio knowledge on her fine ass hehe. She was definitely surprised by how much I knew and the stuff that a typical gringo wouldn't know. I asked her what barrio she lives in, and when she told me Las Cabanas, it was checkmate. I know her barrio like the back of my hand and she was even more impressed. Needless to say, I got her number and the chance to hang out with her in Bello beats doing that in Las Palmas by miles in terms of distance and pricing as I would find out later. BTW, my buddy said his girl was fine as fuck, but everything was covered of course and very light kissing. Either way, he had a good time.

Fastforward to the following weekend, I hit up the Loutron girl and said I'll take her out to dinner, drinks and back to my apartment. There are some nice restaurants out here in Bello, obviously they're not up to Poblado standards, but at least you won't see gringos or gringo pricing. While on this topic, almost forgot to put out this gringo alert: Don't come out to Bello! It's too dangerous!! Ok, got that out the way hehe.

I asked her how much for the date, she said 350 mil. I countered with 250 mil and said DFK and BBBJ are a must. She said OK, game on! We had dinner and drinks in Obrero, shared many stories, and the chemistry was unreal. We hit up a nearby club, and drank and partied till around 1 am, then back to my apartment which was about a 5 minute cab ride. Her body was soft to the touch and her ass was bubblelicious. She started with BBBJ and we did multiple positions and finished with CIM, which was quite a surprise since I didn't ask for it in advance, it just happened on the spot and she didn't say no hehe. We chilled for another hour and she took indriver back to her spot afterwards. Damage was 250 mil plus 15 mil taxi for a 6 hour date.

A definite repeat, which in fact happened a couple times already since our first aforementioned date. A couple weeks later she invited me to a finca for her friend's birthday party, the pic of us at the finca. That's another story, for another time. Cheers everyone![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]I have downloaded the Medellin map and there are a lot of locations in El Centro to ignore. Is it safe to walk down El Centro streets during the day going to all these locations without much issues with safety as long as I am careful or should I be taking a uber to these locations?
[/QUOTE]Most places in El Centro are pretty crowded and busy. Police are occasionally around the Metro entrances. There is some slight risk (before 6:00 PM) of more petty crimes, like pickpocketing. Travel light, and potentially have anything you carry in a travel pouch tucked under your pants. I've never had an issue but I constantly tap and check my pockets while walking every few minutes. Do not hang out in El Centro as it gets dark (8:00+ PM). Avoid going down streets where you see lots of homeless people laying on the floor.

Traffic is super congested in El Centro throughout the day, so an Uber will be safer, but it will be the absolute slowest way to get around.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]Are all the other locations outside of El Centro safe during the day? If you guys have recommendations of good value for money / great locations I would appreciate it.[/QUOTE]Medellin is a big city. There will be good and bad spots throughout. El Poblado is the richer and more touristy part of the city; There's always cops patrolling throughout and its generally quite safe to walk around. Laureles is a wealthier part, but not wealthy enough that its displaced all the locals. Generally safe there too. There's dozens of neighborhoods each with varying degrees of safety.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]I have seen a few independent escort advertising sites with good prices and I was wondering if people have had good experiences with these sites and also if staying at a love motel would they be required to give ID upon arrival to lower the chance of being drugged? I would be more inclined to try the site if the love motels require ID for the lady before entering the property after I check in.[/QUOTE]I'ved used photosprepagos and miloeroticos before with success. Love motels, around El Centro will rarely check for ID; they are cheap and you assume all risk. If you go to a love hotel that the girl knows / recommends, they generally get a small kickback of the price you pay for the room. This "generally" incentivizes the worker to play nice as they would be shitting where they sleep if she starts getting accused of theft. Your personal hotel is more likely to check ID cards; but if your hotel distance can be a problem. A girl from El Centro won't go to El Poblado and vice versa (in most cases during the day time). Traffic is too bad and the opportunity cost is too high for them, in most cases.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]There is also a decent amount of escorts advertising incall in the popular safe areas and I am wondering if incalls are risky or safe in general in these safe areas?[/QUOTE]There's higher risk with this as its not clear just how safe the place is, unless you've visited it before. Generally, I would recommend for them to come to you for a slightly higher price. If you like her, see her again her place for a little cheaper. Its a safety thing, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Bwenz;2735467]I speak 0 Spanish and I know that doesn't work in my favor but I also know that women will have a negotiation when they are denied on their price and I'm assuming that I will be taken advantage of. Is the Medellin map prices still valid in 2022?[/QUOTE]The lack of spanish will hurt your negotiation power a lot, in person. Most girls know little to no English. You can get girls for as cheap as 50,000 pesos in El Centro to 400,000 in El Poblado. The escort websites are nice because you can use translators in WhatsApp and negotiate a price.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2736212]Last few years, new FB girls always asked for like 300 k-350 k and I was always able to talk them down to a much lower price no problem. The last month or so several of them have asked 350 k-450 k and have been very reluctant to agree to any less. Mind you these are new girls. My usual girls never ask me for any specific amount anymore and are happy with what I give them. But it looks like new girls are trying to raise prices.[/QUOTE]Welp, it took minimum 4 years for standard FB price to go from 150 to 200 k inclusive of transportation. 200 k was the standard price that got very little resistance late last year when I went. If you were paying 300 already last October or earlier you probably were already overpaying, but that's not my right to judge, just saying. Anyways last year a few asked for 300 but knew they were hot, like perfect bodies no kids, were part time models or whatever. I don't think realistically it bumped up to 300 k+ for run-of-the-mill chicas within 1 year, even with girls knowing about the exchange rate increase.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2736102]MB, I don't wish to pick on you all the time, but you write some really bizarre comments.....[/QUOTE]I will take a stab at this. I think the problem is he tried to generalize his experience. MB is fishing in a pond with many like him. That creates a different dynamic. It is not the girls worth more or require more in the basic sense. It is because he is being compared against others like him which means he is competing with others. If the same girl is put in a casa, then all these considerations will go away because the price is fixed, and you just need to book the girl early if there is competition. The girl will make more money by working harder, instead of making more by working less. LOL.

Several times I was denied extending session time when I received great BJ from the girls because a girl was booked immediately after. Providing great BJ does not require connection IMO. That is just one example. I get that there are mental part too, and that is YMMV.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2736101]100% disagree with this statement. Some of the best sex I've had was with girls I barely knew or had just met but something about them made me desire them deeply. I know this is probably a minority opinion, even here on a monger forum, LOL.[/QUOTE]One of the best sex sessions I ever had was with a woman with whom I did not even engage in conversation. My dick was inside her (raw) within fifteen seconds of meeting her. Of course she was from Paraguay because only paraguayas can undress in one single movement. I have no idea what her name was and could not pick her out of a lineup but it was really great sex. I do remember the address of the *****house though. It wasn't in Colombia, that is for sure. I have had sex maybe thirty or forty times in Colombia and it was seldom anything to remember.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2736183]I'm pretty sure you'll be nuts over her.[/QUOTE]She hasn't responded yet, hopefully I find a pregnant one roaming El Centro.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736187] No one in the outside world would look at me with my gal with Victoria Secret's dimensions on my arm adoring me and look at these single guys or guys with their hos and say, "You know, I do not know about this guy Elvis but these guys have it all figured out with women. "[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying, but you should drop the Victoria's Secret reference. Have you looked at their website recently? A majority of their "models" look disgusting. They say they are marketing to the average woman. Unfortunately, they depict the average woman in the US pretty accurately.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2736183]I'm pretty sure you'll be nuts over her.[/QUOTE]Jajajajaja Now that is a funny little quip.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736284]I will take a stab at this. MB is fishing in a pond with many like him. That creates a different dynamic.
.[/QUOTE]Hey Nounce, how are you?

Oh I see! Your suggesting that MB was saying that many guys don't have what it takes to GET A DATE with a cute girl. I was assuming he meant those guys don't have what it takes to have a good time with them and give them a good time. Yes, I agree that would be a different issue. But really? . he thinks it's a difficult take to get a date with a high charging girl, you got to have "game", "looks" . Really? You got to be kidding me. You just got to open your wallet enough, right?

Well, that covers my first point. My second and third points still stand - "great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection" and "but to make her. Love them". Really bizarre.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2736325]One of the best sex sessions I ever had was with a woman with whom I did not even engage in conversation. My dick was inside her (raw) within fifteen seconds of meeting her. Of course she was from Paraguay because only paraguayas can undress in one single movement. I have no idea what her name was and could not pick her out of a lineup but it was really great sex. [/QUOTE]Maybe I should move over to the Paraguay section. Hehe. I think those types of occassions are the best. Having your dlck inside within a few seconds of meeting her. Well, that means your already at 5 out of 10 before she's even started. Something slightly sordid always makes it more memorable. Like fkn a girl up the arse in an open bar, it can raise an average performance into one worthy of pride.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2736423]Hey Nounce, how are you?

Oh I see! Your suggesting that MB was saying that many guys don't have what it takes to GET A DATE with a cute girl.....[/QUOTE]I am pretty good, and hope you are too.

It's based on my observation and I don't really know what he means completely. The way I look at it is that MB is in a bidding contest and they are not likely to treat the girls as shared, not the same way we think about casa girls. That is why some will choose to take the girl off the market completely to avoid competition. The problem is to apply that view to mongers that pay fixed price and share women.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2736401]Jajajajaja Now that is a funny little quip.[/QUOTE]Courtesy of the late, great John Fox. One of the best at delivering one-liners.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736219]RR, I have called the other guys Medellin morons, but you are a Medellin marvel. I hope you keep posting man. It is nice to see a monger who does things the right way.[/QUOTE]I appreciate it. Just for you and some of the members (shout out to Mojobandit) here that have given me positive feedback, I'll keep posting my adventures as well as misadventures hehe. When I feel another itch to write a barrio story, I'll scratch one up on this board soon enough. Seems like lots of newbies on this forum lately, it's all good. Just don't do what I do hehe. I'm not going to say I'm a Medellin expert, but I'll take Medellin Marvel. It has a nice ring to it, like I got some sort of superpowers hehe. For those coming here soon, just go enjoy yourself, be aware of your surroundings, and get out of your comfort zone! And yes, learn some basic Spanish.

[QUOTE=NeilGeorge;2731161]Kind of like Blackbeards in the DR. Its like shooting fish in a barrel. No chase, no accomplishment. Then you have to rest up for another. Like ordering a fish dinner in a restaurant instead of catching the fish and dominating it until it wears out its fight. Most of the girls at the mansion have fake tities, some are older, most are there because they make money. Not real. An illusion.[/QUOTE]Can anyone go to the Hotel M bar to check out the scene or it is restricted to the hotel guests? Has anyone not staying at Hotel M went and picked up chicas from there?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736484]I am pretty good, and hope you are too.

It's based on my observation and I don't really know what he means completely. The way I look at it is that MB is in a bidding contest and they are not likely to treat the girls as shared, not the same way we think about casa girls. That is why some will choose to take the girl off the market completely to avoid competition. The problem is to apply that view to mongers that pay fixed price and share women.[/QUOTE]You are correct, I was talking about non pros and semi pros in my recent post. I don't care about establishing a rapport with a working girl. I rarely go to casas or similar venues, but when I do, it is usually wham bam thank you ma'am type of situation. When I just want to bust a nut, and do it quickly. In this case, I would not care if she is into me or not, I know she is serving multiple dicks per day, and I definitely would not be interested in dating or having ppm arrangement with someone who does this for living. I'm not really criticising casa guys, or those who are into street working girls, I totally get it, it is realtively easy and cheap, doesn't require any special skills, game or much money. I did casas and Lleras exclusively 5-6 years ago and back then I thought it was quite an accomplishment to fuck a casa girl for 10 bucks. What I was trying to say is most casa guys don't know anything about other ways of mongering, because they haven't even tried. They prefer to be in the comfort zone, not investing time and effort into scoring hot, intelligent women that don't suck 10 dicks per day. I feel bad for these guys, because they are missing out. I feel bad for your clown buddy TK whose best sex was with the working girl that fucked 10 guys every day. TK, did you fuck her raw? I bet you took an advantage of her desperation. Poor thing probably had to agree to all of your dirty fetishes just to earn a few bucks, but not because she wanted it.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736187]And these guys? Have they found women this amazing and hot who fell for them and they gave up their ways and committed? No? What does that say about them then? [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736219]RR, I have called the other guys Medellin morons, but you are a Medellin marvel. I hope you keep posting man. It is nice to see a monger who does things the right way.[/QUOTE]Good to hear that RR has committed to one girl so that he can get the best sex. Congratulations RR.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2736551]You are correct, I was talking about non pros and semi pros in my recent post. I don't care about establishing a rapport with a working girl. I rarely go to casas or similar venues, but when I do, it is usually wham bam thank you ma'am type of situation. When I just want to bust a nut, and do it quickly. In this case, I would not care if she is into me or not, I know she is serving multiple dicks per day, and I definitely would not be interested in dating or having ppm arrangement with someone who does this for living. I'm not really criticising casa guys, or those who are into street working girls, I totally get it, it is realtively easy and cheap, doesn't require any special skills, game or much money. I did casas and Lleras exclusively 5-6 years ago and back then I thought it was quite an accomplishment to fuck a casa girl for 10 bucks. What I was trying to say is most casa guys don't know anything about other ways of mongering, because they haven't even tried. They prefer to be in the comfort zone, not investing time and effort into scoring hot, intelligent women that don't suck 10 dicks per day. I feel bad for these guys, because they are missing out. I feel bad for your clown buddy TK whose best sex was with the working girl that fucked 10 guys every day. TK, did you fuck her raw? I bet you took an advantage of her desperation. Poor thing probably had to agree to all of your dirty fetishes just to earn a few bucks, but not because she wanted it.[/QUOTE]This site exists for pay-for-play so we had to assume that. If you are speaking of non pros and semi pros you need to state so.

Girls that have sex for money is what they do and not necessarily who they are. You are a man working girl so women should not establish a rapport with you either. Most girls have to do this to support their families and yet your high and mighty self did it because you wanted to which is selfish while these girls are being selfless. Those girls are helping others while you only helped yourself to sexual fun. Rather shallow of you. Yet you feel you can look down upon them? Amazing! I know so many non pros who are horrible people and will sleep with tons of guys for nothing simply because they like it. It is funny that you believe we are unaware that non pros exist and are unable to get them. But you have somehow seen the light and now better than everyone.

Most guys are on 2 week to 6 month vacations and do not have the time to chase non pros. I think most guys want a slam dunk on the sex without wasted time doing the dinner, movies, and other stuff.

You believe non pros are better people and smarter than the street girls. Too much to comment on this one.

Based on your earlier post that the best sex requires love and affection and blah blah blah and you feel sorry for us. So the best sex in your eyes must be with ones wife? You must be getting married soon I assume. So strange you are posting here. You must be trying to convert us to your new found "religion" because we have not found the right way. Thank you but pass.

You attack TK for having the best sex with pros. You spent 5-6 years doing casa and Lleras. Why? You must have loved having horrible sex with pros. My mind keeps picturing a black kettle.

I hate guys that belittle these girls as if they are stupid, dirty, bad people.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]What you are saying is that attractive girls = shitty service. This is not always the case. Ugly girls can provide shitty service as well. Service has nothing to do with how a girl looks. Service depends on various factors. Her attitude, vibes, chemistry between you and her, ambiance of the place / venue, etc. Guys who say hot girls provide shitty service just don't know any better, they don't have what it takes (game, looks, money, etc) to score a hottie, and not only to score, but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. Something that money alone can't always buy.[/QUOTE]I agree mostly. Hot girls have the benefit of getting enough business or attention from guys that they don't have to fake their act much if they're not feeling the guy, this applies on a date or if getting paid to fuck. Chemistry and connection enhance the act a lot, this cannot be understated. IMO it takes only seconds when you first meet the girl to determine how things will go, rarely things change from there or after the first encounter, it's all a complicated thing.

I think as a guy you have to bring your confidence to every meeting and make yourself desirable somehow, practice good hygiene and dress well, putting some cologne on helps too. It's really basic, treat each encounter like a real date and your chances go up, be sloppy and you roll the dice.

My plan is always going after the hottest girl possible, pro or not, it's the reason I got into hobbying, to fuck the most beautiful girls possible.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2736551]They prefer ... not investing time and effort into scoring hot, intelligent women that don't suck 10 dicks per day. I feel bad for these guys, because they are missing out. I feel bad for your clown buddy TK whose best sex was with the working girl that fucked 10 guys every day. TK, did you fuck her raw? I bet you took an advantage of her desperation. Poor thing probably had to agree to all of your dirty fetishes just to earn a few bucks, but not because she wanted it.[/QUOTE]You exist in an entirely different mental state to me. I find it bizarre but fascinating and funny.

How many guys a girl has fucked, even in the same day, is just not a factor that concerns me. It's like me worrying about what a girl had for breakfast that day -why should I care?

I am not sure what you mean when you say "score". Does that mean fuck or date, or smthg else? If it means date, well I think that demonstrates our difference. You refer to fkn a working girl as dating. Whereas I call it fkn a working girl.

I have met many hot girls, many intelligent girls. But I don't invest a lot of time and effort in it bcos I have better things to do in my life than spend time researching working girls. Besides, I meet hot girls and intelligent girls all the time, so I really don't need to spend more time. Also, I have a GF.

You equate high cost with beauty. It seems now you equate high cost with intellgence. I have not experienced that myself. I don't thiink they are related at all.

You gain pleasure in spending your time researching girls that fulfil your fantasy. Barbie girls that you think the rest of the world likes, that you think deserve more money. You put them on a pedastal. In the end, you might get lucky and FK a girl that finally meets your fantasy. Hopefully you do, bcos it would be a shame to waste your life looking for a needle in a haystack, especially when the needle is a figment of your own creation. Whereas I achieve the same result and pleasure with a 5 minute search.

My top bed-friend in Thailand is super intelligent. She has spent her youth working hard and earning lots of money. With her work, she has bought a car, a big house on a lakeside. All with cash from banging guys in Pattaya. Now she is getting towards retirement age, and she has done well. That is pretty damn intelligent if you ask me.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2736549]Can anyone go to the Hotel M bar to check out the scene or it is restricted to the hotel guests? Has anyone not staying at Hotel M went and picked up chicas from there?[/QUOTE]If its the same rules as before, you can go but there is an entrance fee. Used to be 50 mil.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2736570]This site exists for pay-for-play so we had to assume that. If you are speaking of non pros and semi pros you need to state so.

...I hate guys that belittle these girls as if they are stupid, dirty, bad people.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. That fellow is full of it, and full of contradictions.

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2736575]
It's really basic, treat each encounter like a real date and your chances go up, be sloppy and you roll the dice.
My plan is always going after the hottest girl possible, it's the reason I got into hobbying, to fuck the most beautiful girls possible.[/QUOTE]Are you telling us that you have been on dates with pros and they refused to FK you? I have met girls that refused to do X or Y or whatever, but I don't think I ever met a pro that refused to FK me. Another one that seems to be confusing or blurring the lines with their fantasy (I need to show my game, my looks, my humour) with reality (she's a hoe).

Look, I read LoveItHere comment just below. I don't want him to think that I don't respect pros, bcos I certainly do. They deserve as much respect as anyone else. I just don't invent a fantasy world around them and pretend I am in some 60's sitcom.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2736567]Good to hear that RR has committed to one girl so that he can get the best sex. Congratulations RR.[/QUOTE]Yes! I've found the girl of my dreams and I'm not fucking anymore paisas. La chimba hpta gonorrea! Just wondering how long did it take you to get over 13k posts? I respect that, but goddamn you’re like the Michael Jordan of ISG posts.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2736549]...100% disagree with this statement. Some of the best sex I've had was with girls I barely knew...[/QUOTE]Agree! I have had some great sex with girls that I barely knew. Likewise, I've had some great sex with repeats.

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736608]Just wondering how long did it take you to get over 13k posts? I respect that, but goddamn youre like the Michael Jordan of ISG posts.[/QUOTE]I came on this site in 2005. Before my first time going to Thailand I asked a buddy if he knew anything about Thailand and he directed me to this site. The first thing I posted was asking one or some of those questions that 95% of new members post when they are going to a new place. A member named Old Thai Hand said RTFF! So I read the fucking forum and figured out I should stay at Nana Hotel and chicks are in the parking lot there and there was a complex of bars and clubs across the street, etc.

My buddy, who is still one of my main wingmen, never really posted here because he did not like the attitude of a lot of guys on the forum. Also my first time going to the Dominican Republic was with him when I did not speak a lick of Spanish. We were walking down the street in Boca Chica (at the tail end of its heyday) and a chick was asking when I arrived. I had to ask him how to say yesterday in Spanish. Got to start somewhere. Now I am pretty much fluent in Spanish. One word at a time is the only way to learn. And if you do not open your mouth, you will never learn to speak it or any other language.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2736551]... I was talking about non pros and semi pros in my recent post....[/QUOTE]Are you saying you have great connection with these girls and they love you after you tell them you are fucking many other women?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2735809]... but to make her like or love them, because great sex can only be possible if there is a great connection. ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EverythingBlue;2736575]I dress well, putting some cologne on helps too. [/QUOTE]Oh so [B]that's[/B] what I have been doing wrong all these years. I can't tell you how many times hookers wouldn't give me good service because I forgot my cologne.

Slapshot re-emerged here briefly a while back after I questioned whether he might be a gringo who met an unfortunate end in a hot tub. I immediately thought of him because of the hot tub connection. He announced he was still alive and being slapshot but no longer taking the time to publish it on a blow-by-blow basis.

[QUOTE=Blakman;2736249]By the way what happened to the legendary slapshot. And Thanks rice rocket. I rarely entertain since having passport issues but the site was really dry til you brought some liquid quality into play. I hail you the New Medellin don, replacing slapshot LOL..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RiceRocket99;2736608]Yes! I've found the girl of my dreams and I'm not fucking anymore paisas. La chimba hpta gonorrea! Just wondering how long did it take you to get over 13k posts? I respect that, but goddamn youre like the Michael Jordan of ISG posts.[/QUOTE]LOL. That is a great come back, RR.

I was thinking that I had to put up with some shit because I met my gal off seeking, and you might get some pushback because of where you met her too. When guys call the women sluts based on where they have been, I wondered where is the sacred place these guys are talking about. I thought women are women, and I did not know where this place was where women sing instead of speak, hop instead of walk, have the figure of playboy bunnies, and are all virgins, did you? And then I realized it is church. All my best seeking girls were regular church goers so I should have said that I just met them there.

Apparently, if you have a needle in your arm, nostrils laced with cocaine, and pus dripping out of your naughty parts, you are a good girl once you enter church. If you have been with hundreds of men but go to confession, you are reclassified as a virgin. I do not know if there is a Loutron church in Medellin but maybe you could imply you met her there. Hope that helps.

Congrats on your gal, RR. She is a stunner, and you are a lucky man. IMO you get sex at the highest level when you commit to a woman and she gives you everything she has.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736638]Are you saying you have great connection with these girls and they love you after you tell them you are fucking many other women?[/QUOTE]Yeah, you have to commit to one girl within five seconds of meeting her or it is not real. Jesus, Nounce, drink much last night?

It still surprises me what some of the women I've met in Medellin and fuck for free were ok with. I'm married and in an open relationship and they know that. I am also clear that I have other amigas and have told a couple I can't see you today because I'm spending time with another amiga. The number one thing I've heard from paisas over and over again is that they hate being lied to by men. So I've found there is very little to lose and much to gain from being honest. Colombian men have set the bar so low that just being honest and not being a pig makes you look like a "caballero". Perversely I think the fact that I'm seeing other women can sometimes make a chica become competitive and more interested. One of the sexiest things I was ever told by a paisa was "Yo se que tu estas mirando otras chicas why esta bien. Solo quiero ser la mejor entre ellas" (I know that you are seeing other women and its fine. I just want to be the best one among them).

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736638]Are you saying you have great connection with these girls and they love you after you tell them you are fucking many other women?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736781]IMO you get sex at the highest level when you commit to a woman and she gives you everything she has.[/QUOTE]My experience was the opposite. The one time I fully committed to a women the sex was not that great and I ended up giving HER everything I had. In the divorce, LOL.

Hello Everyone.

I have been to Medellin twice already and have decided not to go anywhere else LOL. I love the Botero scene and don't see any other reason to stop going!

I am thinking of visiting late December until the new year!

Just wanted to ask the experts if there are still plenty of girls working at that time?

I am sure Christmas Day will be empty as well as new year but just wondering if all the girls go back home for the holidays like they do in Zone Norte Tijuana?!

I hope to still catch plenty of girls around the major holidays.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Blakman;2736249]By the way what happened to the legendary slapshot. And Thanks rice rocket. I rarely entertain since having passport issues but the site was really dry til you brought some liquid quality into play. I hail you the New Medellin don, replacing slapshot LOL.

.[/QUOTE]At one time you were a legend in your own right, kind of the antithesis of Slapshot.

And since your departure from Medellin, there's been quite a few new posters here.

If you scroll back a few months on this thread, you may read some posts here that will raise your eyebrows!

As I recall when you departed Medellin you were off to Kenya in search of beautiful black women as there weren't enough of them for you in Colombia. LOL.

Regardless, hopefully whatever your Passport issues are they will get resolved soon, and maybe you'll return to Medellin one day.

And just so you know, I've noticed quite a few new brands of Popcorn and cheap wines being sold in Exito. LOL.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736852]Hello Everyone.

I have been to Medellin twice already and have decided not to go anywhere else LOL. I love the Botero scene and don't see any other reason to stop going!

I am thinking of visiting late December until the new year!

Just wanted to ask the experts if there are still plenty of girls working at that time?

I am sure Christmas Day will be empty as well as new year but just wondering if all the girls go back home for the holidays like they do in Zone Norte Tijuana?!

I hope to still catch plenty of girls around the major holidays.

Thanks![/QUOTE]There will be no shortage of girls in the timeframe you mentioned, because the majority of the girls working Centro live here as it's not like Tijuana. Granted there will be less Vennies, but no shortage of Colombians.

And Christmas day will not be empty, meaning nobody out, this last Christmas I was in Centro, and there were some girls out working, however not worth partaking in. I had never been to Centro on Christmas day before and went more out of curiosity.

And prior to Christmas day, there will be lots of girls out working trying to make money for the Holidays.

So with the exception of Christmas and New Years day, there should be more than enough girls available, as there will also be less mongers visiting during this time as well.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2736798]It still surprises me what some of the women I've met in Medellin and fuck for free were ok with. I'm married and in an open relationship and they know that. I am also clear that I have other amigas and have told a couple I can't see you today because I'm spending time with another amiga. The number one thing I've heard from paisas over and over again is that they hate being lied to by men. So I've found there is very little to lose and much to gain from being honest. Colombian men have set the bar so low that just being honest and not being a pig makes you look like a "caballero". Perversely I think the fact that I'm seeing other women can sometimes make a chica become competitive and more interested. One of the sexiest things I was ever told by a paisa was "Yo se que tu estas mirando otras chicas why esta bien. Solo quiero ser la mejor entre ellas" (I know that you are seeing other women and its fine. I just want to be the best one among them).[/QUOTE]It's quite the "norm" here, and not surprising what you've encountered with the Paisa's, meaning them not having a problem that your banging other women, because they are also banging other guys as well.

Being honest is most definitely the way to go with them, and what I have found in my experience here, which works for me personally, unless I encounter a very jealous type of woman is, "don't ask don't tell' it just keeps things very clean in a sense.

Medellin is the best ever I already spent three times I wish I will again with her.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736852]Hello Everyone.

I have been to Medellin twice already and have decided not to go anywhere else LOL. I love the Botero scene and don't see any other reason to stop going!

I am thinking of visiting late December until the new year!

Just wanted to ask the experts if there are still plenty of girls working at that time?

I am sure Christmas Day will be empty as well as new year but just wondering if all the girls go back home for the holidays like they do in Zone Norte Tijuana?!

I hope to still catch plenty of girls around the major holidays.

Thanks![/QUOTE]I have been in Medellin during the easter holiday, was a few girls but mostly dead. No chicas at all on Raudal.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2736798]It still surprises me what some of the women I've met in Medellin and fuck for free were ok with. ....[/QUOTE]I guess it depends different situations, and in current context, are they in love with you? A girl sent me a message asking me not to see other women and I found that hot too.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736782]Yeah, you have to commit to one girl within five seconds of meeting her or it is not real. Jesus, Nounce, drink much last night?[/QUOTE]I guess that is only possible if the girl falls in love within 5 seconds of meeting MB and at least I am not talking about commitment.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2736782] Nounce, drink much last night?[/QUOTE]You are looking at the only glass of Malbec I had last night

This is my 1st post, 30 years old black, been here for about 3 months, I inject my junk with Trimix. Anyway I got the casas and mile site down pack. But Osteoknot or anybody who can help I don't Spanish but I have desire pick up all types of chicks I'm attracted to just out and about. My main goal is el natural sexo Bb. I want to get some expertise advice on how to go about that not knowing Spanish, I'm skinny look younger, and $ isn't necessarily An issue. 3 year lurker on this site a bit introverted but anyways peace out.

[QUOTE=Osteoknot;2729689]I know what you meant and I feel you were just using the word "desperate' as a figure of speech. But dude, you are so far ahead of the game compared to the average first timer. Mid 30's, good-looking, Caucasian, and fluent in Spanish? If you're blonde haired and blue eyed then fuck you and the horse you rode in on, jajajajaja.

Come on. Medellin is your oyster and you are the pearl. I get it, you have niche' tastes but even so.

Not saying you won't find yourself a nice wingman, but don't expect a lot of sympathy here, jajaja. Most of us remember what is was like for us when we first arrived, and we had to grind it out the best we could. Best of luck, you don't need much.

Oh, to answer your question more directly, pick any chica that attracts you and go up and start talking to her, anywhere, anytime. A nice pool is chicas who are at work, then they won't be as desperate for money. They won't be offended. Government workers, waitresses, policewomen, store clerks, bartenders, any gainful employment. You have a majority chance that she will engage, then go out with you for dinner, then fuck you that night. Tell them you are new in town and you would like someone to show you around, go to Park Avri, recommend a good restaurant, blah, blah, you can recite Mary had a Little Lamb and they will still want to go out with you.

Leave fear of failure at home. If a chica doesn't respond the way you like, forget about her, totally and immediately move on to the next one. Dating here is like shooting fish in a barrel. If she says she's married that is not an automatic "no" , she might still want to fuck but is just making you aware. Then it depends on your scruples. Personally, I avoid the potential complications of fucking married women, but that's your call.

If you are walking out in public and you literally see a single chica on the sidewalk you must have, introduce yourself and ask her, "Quieres ser mi novia por 2 horas if?" or does she wants to be your girlfriend for _ hours (fill in the number). If she say yes, act immediately if possible to reduce the chance you will get flaked if she wants to meet you somewhere else later. You're welcome.

My prototype chica is working student, single, one-kid delivered by Cesarean-section, with mom at home. That chica has an income but will still be highly motivated to raise the standard of living for her kid. She has some intelligence and goals in life. Her pussy hasn't been stretched out from childbirth, and she has built in child-care. But that's just me. Ostee Out.[/QUOTE]1st, post I'm a long time lurker, made a another post but it may have been in the wrong place. 30 yr old brown skinned African-American, skinny, I think I'm decent looking and I inject Ed drugs in my penis. I got the mile site and casas down to a tee that's not my issue. I've been here for 3 months also with 3 more to go. Not really a fayboo guy my goal is SEXO natural Bb. But the chicks aren't really down for obvious reasons. I want to pick up chicks I find just out and about but I don't speak Spanish. You the King on here I want your or anybody else expertise on how I could go about this I think look still look young my style is more "hip-hop" but I can clean up. What's your take? Peace.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736852]..........I am thinking of visiting late December until the new year! Just wanted to ask the experts if there are still plenty of girls working at that time?....[/QUOTE]

I'm told, that overall, things remain pretty dead from Christmas through El Da de Los Reyes Magos (Three Kings Day or Day of the Epiphany), which in 2023 falls on January 06, but, if I'm not mistaken, will be celebrated as a government holiday in Colombia, on Monday, January 09. But perhaps the El Centro hands would know if, with the influx of Venezuelan chicas to Plaza Botero in recent years (many, if not most, of them here without their families), whether the happy hunting grounds twixt the Veracruz church and Raudal remains reasonably populated with desirable WG game throughout the holiday season.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736852]...I have been to Medellin twice already and have decided not to go anywhere else LOL...[/QUOTE]I suggest you visit other places before making such a drastic decision. Already, if you have read this forum long enough, you would have realized that Brazil is a strong competitor to Medellin. I can think of many other locations but the point is that you need to experience other places before deciding to stick to one specific place.

I am not a centro kind of guy. I primarily focus on FB and referrals from my FB girls. That said, I have been to MDE between Christmas and New Year's day. Many of the chicas, if they can afford it, will go out of town with their family to a finca. And even if they are in town, you can pretty much forget New Year's Eve and New Year's day (although I have had chicas see me on the afternoon of New Year's eve before they went to be with their families).

As a Medellin "regular" I manage to do OK because I have a long list of chicas and the chicas who are in town will slip away from the family to see me for a bit. But it is quieter. I will yield to the centro guys on this, but I would assume that because the centro girls don't earn a lot of money and many are vennies, there should be some activity, even during those days. Just not the same quantity.

Now, once January 1 is over, things are back to normal in my experience. There are bills to be paid and chicas need money. I never have an issue with chicas post-January 1.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2736852]Hello Everyone.

I have been to Medellin twice already and have decided not to go anywhere else LOL. I love the Botero scene and don't see any other reason to stop going!

I am thinking of visiting late December until the new year!

Just wanted to ask the experts if there are still plenty of girls working at that time?

I am sure Christmas Day will be empty as well as new year but just wondering if all the girls go back home for the holidays like they do in Zone Norte Tijuana?!

I hope to still catch plenty of girls around the major holidays.

Thanks![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Villainy;2736401]Jajajajaja Now that is a funny little quip.[/QUOTE]That's what she said.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736932]I guess that is only possible if the girl falls in love within 5 seconds of meeting MB and at least I am not talking about commitment.

You are looking at the only glass of Malbec I had last night[/QUOTE]Nounce I just tried to send you a PM and it says you need to delete messages because your mailbox is at maximim allowable space.

[QUOTE=Lefeu;2736965]I suggest you visit other places before making such a drastic decision. Already, if you have read this forum long enough, you would have realized that Brazil is a strong competitor to Medellin. I can think of many other locations but the point is that you need to experience other places before deciding to stick to one specific place.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice Lefeu!

I have never really looked into Brazil. I will start reading up on Brazil and see what I find!

I wanted to try Thailand but I can't sleep on my flights regardless at the time of day they are so Colombia works for me since its a 7 hour flight from SoCal for me.

Thanks!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736932]You are looking at the only glass of Malbec I had last night[/QUOTE]So what where you eating for dinner, as whatever the meat was, it looked pretty good and a good pairing with a Malbec. It you had that dinner in Medellin, what was the name of the place and and how was the food. Food comes up at times here, and besides pussy I'm always on the look out for a place with good food either for delivery or in a restaurant.

Fuck I have to get back to Medellin. Heading to Bogota but one of my friends who's coming to Colombia for the first time ask me to bring him here, so got to leave BOG to be wing man for few days in Mde. It's only fair since Medellin is newb friendly and IMO just the right place to get baptized in what we do. So quick question is that construction still going on in Llera?

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2737142]Fuck I have to get back to Medellin. Heading to Bogota but one of my friends who's coming to Colombia for the first time ask me to bring him here, so got to leave BOG to be wing man for few days in Mde. It's only fair since Medellin is newb friendly and IMO just the right place to get baptized in what we do. So quick question is that construction still going on in Llera?[/QUOTE]Yeah construction is still happening.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2737223]Yeah construction is still happening.[/QUOTE]The construction in the little park part of Parque Lleras seems to have an inordinate amount of attention here. I don't get it. That part was nothing. All the action was on the streets around, bars, nightclubs, restaurants, etc. If they are gone it is something else. Covid perhaps, or perhaps the area has become more run down or dangerous due to Covid shut downs?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2737233]The construction in the little park part of Parque Lleras seems to have an inordinate amount of attention here. I don't get it. That part was nothing. All the action was on the streets around, bars, nightclubs, restaurants, etc. If they are gone it is something else. Covid perhaps, or perhaps the area has become more run down or dangerous due to Covid shut downs?[/QUOTE]I have no idea, I don't go to Parque Lleras I just know they're still doing construction on the park area. I know some restaurants / bars closed due to COVID but I'm sure they're still some around from what friends have told me.

Hey,

Me and the fellas have been to Cartagena plenty of times. Want to try Medellin. We usually stay in bocagrande and go to clock tower to visit the nightclubs at night to pick up girls and have some drinks at dolce or space or one of the many clubs with decent music, drinks, and girls. Working girls of course but non working girls don't hurt either LOL. Air bnb in Medellin is pretty straight forward, but where are the clubs with the same set up of girls I described like in Cartagena? Should I get my air bnb in a certain area that is near those clubs? Point me int the right direction. Me and the fellas plan to go late September.

[QUOTE=InsolentSpike;2737119]I wanted to try Thailand but I can't sleep on my flights regardless at the time of day they are so Colombia works for me since its a 7 hour flight from SoCal for me.[/QUOTE]Spend a day or two in Taiwan. That cuts the flight about in half from SoCal. Also your situation is why the good lord created zolpidem. Get the time release if you can find it, 12.5 MG.

QUOTE=Nounce;2736929]I guess it depends different situations, and in current context, are they in love with you? QUOTE.

I don't know about love but, I've had four this year say they wish I was their boyfriend. When I started this Medellin journey I worried that being married and in an open relationship would complicate things but I've found that its rarely a dealbreaker and it actually makes it easier to say I can't be exclusive.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2736929]A girl sent me a message asking me not to see other women and I found that hot too.[/QUOTE]I think strong interest from an attractive woman is generally hot.

You are right that they are probably fucking around as well, which I have no issue with.

What I continue to be amazed by is how different the category of amigo and novio is in many of their minds and how romanticized the idea of a novio is. One of my amigas has been actively planning a threesome with one of her girlfriends for me for my next trip and I mentioned it would be great to have a girlfriend or wife who thought like that. Anyway, after I said this my amiga became serious and told me that she'd never do something like that for her novio because he would only be hers. The fact that she's a nonpro makes the comment all the more interesting to me. When I was in Medellin back in March I was also amazed at how the infamous Cristal from photoprepagos told me essentially the same thing. I told her that I was in an open relationship and she responded that she would not be ok with that in her life because she could never share a boyfriend or husband with other women. As I mentioned in an early post Cristal has an apartment in Laureles and is famous for her PSE skills.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2736869]It's quite the "norm" here, and not surprising what you've encountered with the Paisa's, meaning them not having a problem that your banging other women, because they are also banging other guys as well.

Being honest is most definitely the way to go with them, and what I have found in my experience here, which works for me personally, unless I encounter a very jealous type of woman is, "don't ask don't tell' it just keeps things very clean in a sense.[/QUOTE]

Just wanted to share a catfishing account from Facebook.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100078191415073[/URL] (Andre Lopez).

I did a google image search once the account holder started messaging me (I always do an image search in these cases). This is a fairly obvious case of catfishing as they lifted photos of the pornstar, Mia Malkova, for the profile. I hadn't bothered to investigate or paid much attention to the account before now. Oddly the holder has yet to ask me to buy content, for money or anything.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2737223]Yeah construction is still happening.[/QUOTE]Thanks man, of course vets rarely go to Llera but for newcomers you know how it goes. Plus my buddies doesn't speak a single word of Spanish LOL so I'm thinking Gusto / Club Llera it is where you get the American vibe a bit and welcoming Spanglish speaking honeys. I'll likely drop him off and go hang w my usual wifeys LOL. Either that or the Mansion both are great spots for the new folks. Just wanted a quick temperature check on that environment, and as long as couple of those clubs are open looks like it will be alright.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2737351]Just wanted to share a catfishing account from Facebook.

[URL]https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100078191415073[/URL] (Andre Lopez).

I did a google image search once the account holder started messaging me (I always do an image search in these cases). This is a fairly obvious case of catfishing as they lifted photos of the pornstar, Mia Malkova, for the profile. I hadn't bothered to investigate or paid much attention to the account before now. Oddly the holder has yet to ask me to buy content, for money or anything.[/QUOTE]I say this is still a good account, because the idiot gringos who friended her or him (as most catfish accts are dudes or lonely whoopsies), have many of their friend lists open and you can find real one. I just navigated a couple dudes and hunted a couple of their real Faybu Medellin friend lists LOL. Hopefully I get to bang some of my new found friends in few days when I'm in Medellin LOL. I bang usually 3-4 chicas daily so always adding honeys. Let me send you some crypto for this link LMAO.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2737268]Spend a day or two in Taiwan. That cuts the flight about in half from SoCal. Also your situation is why the good lord created zolpidem. Get the time release if you can find it, 12.5 MG.[/QUOTE]Hardly the 1/2 point. That is the route I flew on my most recent trip to Thailand. Almost 14 hrs on Eva air from LOS Angeles, then 3 hrs 45 minutes from Taipei to Bangkok on Thai air.

[QUOTE=BAnc4;2737257]Air bnb in Medellin is pretty straight forward, but where are the clubs with the same set up of girls I described like in Cartagena? Should I get my air bnb in a certain area that is near those clubs?[/QUOTE]Don't go to Medellin looking for Cartagena. They are 2 different animals.

Thank you to everyone that posts on here. I have been reading the forum for the last couple of months now, and I have learned so much. I'm going to be in Medellin in the next few weeks and I can't wait! I have been chatting with a few girls on FB. These girls don't really have slutty pictures and only a few hundred followers. Question is how do you bring up the money part. Should you even mention it, or just give them a little for their family when the night is done. What's the safe amount to give? The only reason I ask is because I don't want to insult the girl. Some guidance would be appreciate.

[QUOTE=BAnc4;2737257]Hey,

Me and the fellas have been to Cartagena plenty of times. Want to try Medellin. We usually stay in bocagrande and go to clock tower to visit the nightclubs at night to pick up girls and have some drinks at dolce or space or one of the many clubs with decent music, drinks, and girls. Working girls of course but non working girls don't hurt either LOL. Air bnb in Medellin is pretty straight forward, but where are the clubs with the same set up of girls I described like in Cartagena? Should I get my air bnb in a certain area that is near those clubs? Point me int the right direction. Me and the fellas plan to go late September.[/QUOTE]No clubs in Medellin, what a bummer. I guess you'll have to just stick to Cartagena.

[QUOTE=BAnc4;2737257]Hey,

Me and the fellas have been to Cartagena plenty of times. Want to try Medellin. We usually stay in bocagrande and go to clock tower to visit the nightclubs at night to pick up girls and have some drinks at dolce or space or one of the many clubs with decent music, drinks, and girls. Working girls of course but non working girls don't hurt either LOL. Air bnb in Medellin is pretty straight forward, but where are the clubs with the same set up of girls I described like in Cartagena? Should I get my air bnb in a certain area that is near those clubs? Point me int the right direction. Me and the fellas plan to go late September.[/QUOTE]As noted in the post by mtndew below haha, not many mongers here are going to spoonfeed you easy to find info RE: club location. To somebody coming with a bunch of other gringos looking for a rowdy weekend.

Not a judgement on you, but most know a bunch of drunk westerners coming for a weekend of fun is going to bad reflection on the rest of solo mongers here who keep it low key.

In your post in the DR forum, you said you've been to MDE several times, so what exactly don't you know?

I imagine the centro clubs aren't your scene, so just stay in Poblado and go to Gustos and Fase 2 with the fellas.

Use the map on the forum.

Good luck.

JW.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2737558]As noted in the post by mtndew below haha, not many mongers here are going to spoonfeed you easy to find info RE: club location. To somebody coming with a bunch of other gringos looking for a rowdy weekend.

Not a judgement on you, but most know a bunch of drunk westerners coming for a weekend of fun is going to bad reflection on the rest of solo mongers here who keep it low key.

In your post in the DR forum, you said you've been to MDE several times, so what exactly don't you know?

I imagine the centro clubs aren't your scene, so just stay in Poblado and go to Gustos and Fase 2 with the fellas.

Use the map on the forum.

Good luck.

JW.[/QUOTE]Johnny don't bust that dude's chop too hard man. Not his fault LOL. It's a Weekend warrior attidude started in the DR, then Cartagena, and once arrive at MDE they hate it since you have to do some work and everything isn't centralized. Although MDE's not my fav but most of us who know how to navigate the city would pick it anyday over CTG. I convinced a friend to visit Medellin few months back and he won't be going back likely since he's mostly used to the clocktower and clubs nearby each other in Cte. It was his fault too, I sent the dude the map from this board as he askd me about the casas, he was in Medellin for 10 days and not once he opened the map and only sticked to Llera and especially Gusto and complained everyday about the pricing and set up w girls asking for $300 USD LOL. I'm like seriously man, you couldn't open the map once, punch New Life's or Energy's address in Uber and go there and bang for $20. To experience these lineups? He never went to Face2, La Isla, nothing, wanted his hand held. Bruh people are just lazy and you can't help everyone.

It's not complicated. Book something near Parque Lleras then follow the crowds toward the throbbing music of Gustos and its nearby competitors. The surrounding streets are the clock tower's rough equivalent. He can go to La Isla to break up the routine. As others have suggested, there is also the option of staying in Cartagena.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2737404]Don't go to Medellin looking for Cartagena. They are 2 different animals.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FurJacket;2737435]Thank you to everyone that posts on here. I have been reading the forum for the last couple of months now, and I have learned so much. I'm going to be in Medellin in the next few weeks and I can't wait! I have been chatting with a few girls on FB. These girls don't really have slutty pictures and only a few hundred followers. Question is how do you bring up the money part. Should you even mention it, or just give them a little for their family when the night is done. What's the safe amount to give? The only reason I ask is because I don't want to insult the girl. Some guidance would be appreciate.[/QUOTE]I have the same issue. At first, I would just ask if they are escorts and the responses would be very vague and non-direct but in the chats they would mention their financial situation or that they are looking for a job. Now I don't worry about it. If they want a certain amount, they will eventually let you know. Otherwise, I am happy to give them 200 k at the end to help them with their expenses. In the end, all will be grateful for the money and it helps alleviate drama issues because if they take the money, they can't really complain if you don't see them again because they ended up better for the night. Now, if you don't see them again and you didn't give them any money, they may feel used and get very angry at you. 200 k to avoid these issues is a price worth paying.

But take my advice with a grain of salt because I have never stepped foot in Medellin. Ja ja ja. Not yet.

Do you bargain online? If the girl says her program is 80 mil half hour should I bargain try to bargain for $60 mil for example?

[QUOTE=FurJacket;2737435]... The only reason I ask is because I don't want to insult the girl. Some guidance would be appreciate.[/QUOTE]You can just ask what she wants to let her tell you if you are not sure.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2737139]So what where you eating for dinner, as whatever the meat was, it looked pretty good and a good pairing with a Malbec. It you had that dinner in Medellin, what was the name of the place and and how was the food. ...[/QUOTE]It's in Sao Paulo. It's an interesting setup so it is better that you google [B]A Figueira Rubaiyat[/B] on map to check it out. Another member recommended it to me. I was waiting for baby lamb chop. The total is about 370 BRL. I am not sure the exchange rate but I just divide it by 5 to get USD total. Most steaks are about the same price in USD 45 range. Wagyu steak is about USD 90.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2737139].... Food comes up at times here, and besides pussy I'm always on the look out for a place with good food either for delivery or in a restaurant.[/QUOTE]I recommend you to visit if you have not been there. The food are very good, and pussy too. That area is like El Poblado but without the tourists and prostitutes.

Thanks for the tip of Madurando. I stock it in my fridge.

[QUOTE=FurJacket;2737435]Thank you to everyone that posts on here. I have been reading the forum for the last couple of months now, and I have learned so much. I'm going to be in Medellin in the next few weeks and I can't wait! I have been chatting with a few girls on FB. These girls don't really have slutty pictures and only a few hundred followers. Question is how do you bring up the money part. Should you even mention it, or just give them a little for their family when the night is done. What's the safe amount to give? The only reason I ask is because I don't want to insult the girl. Some guidance would be appreciate.[/QUOTE]Price discussions always become controversial in forums so I don't like to give specific advice on the general forum. You are welcome to PM me. But in general most girls will bring it up before they leave home. They will at least ask if you will pay for taxi and the answer of course is yes. Don't expect her to take Metro.

Another thing about these girls. They are used to walking around in their neighborhood in clothes that look like lingerie. I tend to stay in nice hotels and I don't like a girl walking through lobby looking like that. Sometimes I take them to dinner as I don't like eating alone. Many of these girls have not eaten at a nice restaurant in Pobaldo. I give specific instructions on dress code. I tell them pants and not much skin showing. I even ask her to send me photo when she is ready to call taxi. If I am not satisfied, I tell her to put a jacket on. That is me.

In general do what you think is best and what you can afford. Super majority of these girls are sweet and are not out there to scam you. I tend to be on the generous side but not on stupid side. It also depends on what you want. I have days when I am busy and I want a quick in and out session and days when I want to drink, dance party, jacuzzi have some friends over, order food, buy party supplies etc. Don't be cheap if you want to want to build a network. Don't nickel and dime about taxi money.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2737740]Price discussions always become controversial in forums so I don't like to give specific advice on the general forum. You are welcome to PM me. But in general most girls will bring it up before they leave home. They will at least ask if you will pay for taxi and the answer of course is yes. Don't expect her to take Metro.

Another thing about these girls. They are used to walking around in their neighborhood in clothes that look like lingerie. I tend to stay in nice hotels and I don't like a girl walking through lobby looking like that. Sometimes I take them to dinner as I don't like eating alone. Many of these girls have not eaten at a nice restaurant in Pobaldo. I give specific instructions on dress code. I tell them pants and not much skin showing. I even ask her to send me photo when she is ready to call taxi. If I am not satisfied, I tell her to put a jacket on. That is me.

In general do what you think is best and what you can afford. Super majority of these girls are sweet and are not out there to scam you. I tend to be on the generous side but not on stupid side. It also depends on what you want. I have days when I am busy and I want a quick in and out session and days when I want to drink, dance party, jacuzzi have some friends over, order food, buy party supplies etc. Don't be cheap if you want to want to build a network. Don't nickel and dime about taxi money.[/QUOTE]I love this advice. Best thing I've seen on this thread for a very long time.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2737622]Johnny don't bust that dude's chop too hard man. Not his fault LOL. It's a Weekend warrior attidude started in the DR, then Cartagena, and once arrive at MDE they hate it since you have to do some work and everything isn't centralized. Although MDE's not my fav but most of us who know how to navigate the city would pick it anyday over CTG. I convinced a friend to visit Medellin few months back and he won't be going back likely since he's mostly used to the clocktower and clubs nearby each other in Cte. It was his fault too, I sent the dude the map from this board as he askd me about the casas, he was in Medellin for 10 days and not once he opened the map and only sticked to Llera and especially Gusto and complained everyday about the pricing and set up w girls asking for $300 USD LOL. I'm like seriously man, you couldn't open the map once, punch New Life's or Energy's address in Uber and go there and bang for $20. To experience these lineups? He never went to Face2, La Isla, nothing, wanted his hand held. Bruh people are just lazy and you can't help everyone.[/QUOTE]And maybe some of these lazy idiots coming, finding that, a scam or a theft changes the narrative and undoes some of the nonsense that has become more prevalent last 1 yr or so. Medellin requires a bit of work, some social skills, some street smarts, and some language skills. It's not plug and play. Let only those prepared come, whats the big deal?

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2737740]Price discussions always become controversial in forums so I don't like to give specific advice on the general forum. You are welcome to PM me. But in general most girls will bring it up before they leave home. They will at least ask if you will pay for taxi and the answer of course is yes. Don't expect her to take Metro.

Another thing about these girls. They are used to walking around in their neighborhood in clothes that look like lingerie. I tend to stay in nice hotels and I don't like a girl walking through lobby looking like that. Sometimes I take them to dinner as I don't like eating alone. Many of these girls have not eaten at a nice restaurant in Pobaldo. I give specific instructions on dress code. I tell them pants and not much skin showing. I even ask her to send me photo when she is ready to call taxi. If I am not satisfied, I tell her to put a jacket on. That is me.

In general do what you think is best and what you can afford. Super majority of these girls are sweet and are not out there to scam you. I tend to be on the generous side but not on stupid side. It also depends on what you want. I have days when I am busy and I want a quick in and out session and days when I want to drink, dance party, jacuzzi have some friends over, order food, buy party supplies etc. Don't be cheap if you want to want to build a network. Don't nickel and dime about taxi money.[/QUOTE]Good solid advice, especially about how the women dress. I do the same with my girls when I'm taking them out to a nice place, no jeans with holes, and a top that doesn't have their boobs popping out. After the first time at a nice place, and they see how others are dressed, they know the drill and what my expectations are.

Yet you may still get the "look of shame" depending on how much younger the women are than you, at least I do at times, especially at a Hotel with families.

I remember once a family wouldn't get in the elevator with me and my date being 35 years younger than me. The mom look horrified when the elevator doors opened with her kids in tow.

And on a rare occasion, I will get the "look of approval" and the "look of shame" at the same time when an older couple sees me with a date. The woman will give me a dirty look, and the guy will give me an approving smile.

And not being a "cheap charlie", more good advice for those like you who can afford to roll in style.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2737371]I say this is still a good account, because the idiot gringos who friended her or him (as most catfish accts are dudes or lonely whoopsies), have many of their friend lists open and you can find real one. I just navigated a couple dudes and hunted a couple of their real Faybu Medellin friend lists [/QUOTE]Way to see the big picture! It is folks like you that see the treasure in things that others may see as trash.

[QUOTE=FurJacket;2737435]Question is how do you bring up the money part. Should you even mention it, or just give them a little for their family when the night is done. What's the safe amount to give? The only reason I ask is because I don't want to insult the girl.[/QUOTE]Why do you assume the chicks are hookers? So you are willing to insult her by giving her money if she is not a hooker, but you don't want to insult her by not giving her money if she is a hooker? Personally I would rather insult the hooker. I can always take money out of my pocket if she says where is my payment.

A chick that is not a hooker could be my friend for life, so I definitely do not want to insult her by assuming or insinuating that she may be a hooker and I need to give money to her.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2737740]They will at least ask if you will pay for taxi and the answer of course is yes. Don't expect her to take Metro.[/QUOTE]That is exactly how you know. Most chicks that I know who are not hookers will take public transportation to you (and most times even insist on it), but if a chick asks about you paying a taxi then she is coming to "pick up some money from you".

I got into a knock down drag out with my chick that works at the hospital because she took public transportation after getting off work at 9 pm then got lost and could not find the address. I told her to hop in a taxi but she just preferred to walk around scared. 1 hour later she got in the taxi. I told her from now on to take Indriver directly to me. And that is what she did the next time. The next morning I tried to give her money to get to work in Indriver and she refused saying she would take public transportation.

I think you and the original poster are both right. I also happen to know that, like most everybody else here in Medellin, girls will opt for the metro when it's convenient and faster than a taxi. Generally during rush hour. They do this whether or not they have a deal to collect taxi money. We should ask ourselves why a girl would give up an extra 15 to 20 k and lose time she could use for another date. I like to use ride share apps so I can track the progress because for me the number one disincentive of facebook and indie providers is having to guess when they might arrive or even worse, wasting time exchanging insincere "I'm on my way" messages. I am clear and consistent when I'm paying what I consider a premium. I set a firm arrival time and I make it very clear that if we are not together by that time then we will not be together. Life is too short for rando nonsense.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2737917]That is exactly how you know. Most chicks that I know who are not hookers will take public transportation to you (and most times even insist on it), but if a chick asks about you paying a taxi then she is coming to "pick up some money from you".

I got into a knock down drag out with my chick that works at the hospital because she took public transportation after getting off work at 9 pm then got lost and could not find the address. I told her to hop in a taxi but she just preferred to walk around scared. 1 hour later she got in the taxi. I told her from now on to take Indriver directly to me. And that is what she did the next time. The next morning I tried to give her money to get to work in Indriver and she refused saying she would take public transportation.[/QUOTE]

Took a walk around this morning in El centro. Got to respect the women who are already out there by 7 am and ready to work!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2737717]It's in Sao Paulo. It's an interesting setup so it is better that you google [B]A Figueira Rubaiyat[/B] on map to check it out. Another member recommended it to me. I was waiting for baby lamb chop. The total is about 370 BRL. I am not sure the exchange rate but I just divide it by 5 to get USD total. Most steaks are about the same price in USD 45 range. Wagyu steak is about USD 90.[/QUOTE]Your the "Man" Nounce, sounds like your rolling in style. Good for You!

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2737944]Took a walk around this morning in El centro. Got to respect the women who are already out there by 7 am and ready to work![/QUOTE]Yes, and all Venezuelans.

I can remember over a decade ago when than weren't any women out working (Colombians) until after Lunch, and before there were Venezuelans working in Centro.

Things have changed immensely over the years, with it actually costing less now, than a decade ago for the women. Ten years ago the exchange rate was approximately 1,800 COP to the USD, and currently is around 4,400 COP to the USD.

So it's a "win win" situation for mongers today, meaning more girls than ever before, and costing less then they did a decade ago.

If your coming from Sosua please leave the wife beaters and the arrogant behavior behind. It's not welcomed in Medellin, that is all.

I really dislike stereotyping but I have to admit you did not exaggerate about the So-Sewer "profile. " They won't stand out very much in Lleras or Provenza.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738041]If your coming from Sosua please leave the wife beaters and the arrogant behavior behind. It's not welcomed in Medellin, that is all.[/QUOTE]

About a year ago I posted what I called [B] Villainy's Rules [/B].

I won't repost them again (do I hear a collective sigh of relief?

Rule 3 [B]A[/B].

[B]Never[/B] send money to a girl you [B]don't[/B] know. This should be an absolute. First and foremost you can't be sure you're sending it to a girl. That's right it may be a guy with some girl's / model's photos. You might even discover this by using the on-line program called "Tin-Eye". Nevertheless, even if it really is a girl. You don't know her, so why would you ever consider sending her money? If you are really desperate, send me the money and I'll send you some naked pictures (of a girl, of course) jajajaja and you can fantasize all you want. OK Mr. Admin. That was a joke.

Rule 3 [B]B[/B].

I just got this one jammed up by rosy red bunghole.

[B]Never[/B] send money to a girl you [B]do[/B] know.

Why is that? Because you may think you know her. But you don't. Trust me you really don't. So, there is a nice little Bello babe I've seen many times. She fucks my lights out every time I see her. Has a kid, but is very hot looking and is great in bed.

So, we've kind of drifted apart. Too many beautiful women, too little time. So here she comes with some messages on FB. I finally stop ignoring her and she tells me she was in the hospital and is home recovering and needs to buy some medicine. I told her it wasn't a good time for me (the truth is there [B]never[/B] is a good time).

Well she sends me a few sexy pictures which had the desired effect and stirred up some lusty memories. She says I really need to buy some meds anything you could send would be a big help.

So what does the esteemed author of Villany's rules do? He stupids out and sends her 25 mil via bank transfer. Yes, I live here and have a Colombian bank account. So, I ask her for her account number and send her the 25 mil. But guess what guys? The transfer shows the name of the owner of the account and the money I sent went to a guy's account. So I point this out and she says, well it's the account I've always had. I suspect that was a true statement the problem was it was probably her boyfriend or someone else who had access to her phone and started sending out requests to all her "friends".

So you see what I mean. Don't be stupid like I just was. Follow Villainy's rules!

I have been mongering longer than many of those here have been alive and have been fortunate enough to have lived in prime time for mongering in places at their prime time. Cuba, Costa Rica. But before that, there was Venezuela. Before the political cluster fuck that ruined the country. In the 90's, Venezuela was the prime spot for fishing and the most beautiful women in the world. Back then, they were $ a throw in 1990 dollars!!! The fact that they have been displaced as they have to Columbia just makes the pot sweeter and like shopping in the Dollar store! Venezuela / Columbia is a randomly mutually agreed upon geographic border. Basically they are the same with different cultures and histories. 40 years ago, the tables were turned. Not to overthink it, just saying. I love them all equally. 8-80, blind, crippled, crazy, fat, skinny, tall, short, blonde, brunette, .

Happy hunting, my friends.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2737975]Yes, and all Venezuelans.

I can remember over a decade ago when than weren't any women out working (Colombians) until after Lunch, and before there were Venezuelans working in Centro.

Things have changed immensely over the years, with it actually costing less now, than a decade ago for the women. Ten years ago the exchange rate was approximately 1,800 COP to the USD, and currently is around 4,400 COP to the USD.

So it's a "win win" situation for mongers today, meaning more girls than ever before, and costing less then they did a decade ago.[/QUOTE]

Is Hotel Nutribar still open or temporarily closed It seems to be book up through the rest of the year, IDK.

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2738167]Is Hotel Nutribar still open or temporarily closed It seems to be book up through the rest of the year, IDK.[/QUOTE]It's still open was going to stay there before settling on hotel gallery because it has a jacuzzi? Anyone know if Hotel Gallery is guest friendly?

[QUOTE=CeeJay1;2738167]Is Hotel Nutribar still open or temporarily closed It seems to be book up through the rest of the year, IDK.[/QUOTE]It's open, I'm here right now.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2738050]About a year ago I posted what I called [B] Villainy's Rules [/B].

I won't repost them again (do I hear a collective sigh of relief?

Rule 3 [B]A[/B].

[B]Never[/B] send money to a girl you [B]don't[/B] know. This should be an absolute. First and foremost you can't be sure you're sending it to a girl. That's right it may be a guy with some girl's / model's photos. You might even discover this by using the on-line program called "Tin-Eye". Nevertheless, even if it really is a girl. You don't know her, so why would you ever consider sending her money? If you are really desperate, send me the money and I'll send you some naked pictures (of a girl, of course) jajajaja and you can fantasize all you want. OK Mr. Admin. That was a joke.

Rule 3 [B]B[/B].

I just got this one jammed up by rosy red bunghole.

[B]Never[/B] send money to a girl you [B]do[/B] know.[/QUOTE]This is great advice that should be followed for all countries. Pretty much, every girl you stay in contact with will have money issues and will ask you for money eventually. It is a heavy guilt trip that they will lay on you. No money for rent, mother in the hospital, need meds for the baby, no food to eat, sick and need meds, electricity cut off, will be homeless soon. It may be true but you are not her family or boyfriend or anyone she actually cares about.

I don't mind giving a girl money to help her out when I am in country and I always tell them that I don't send money but I can help you when I am there if you take care of me.

Now sending a little bit of money is not a big deal money wise but the problem becomes that she will continue to ask for money in the future because there will always be money issues with these girls. So sending money once will start a cycle of money requests in the future for even worse financial problems.

So for myself, I just hold true to a simple mantra, as the fellow board member would say, never send money to a girl. But by all means, help her out when you are there and she is taking care of you.

[QUOTE=Snook;2738074]I have been mongering longer than many of those here have been alive and have been fortunate enough to have lived in prime time for mongering in places at their prime time. Cuba, Costa Rica. But before that, there was Venezuela. Before the political cluster fuck that ruined the country. In the 90's, Venezuela was the prime spot for fishing and the most beautiful women in the world. Back then, they were $ a throw in 1990 dollars!!! The fact that they have been displaced as they have to Columbia
Snook.[/QUOTE]Colombia O. Good synopsis.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2738198]This is great advice that should be followed for all countries. Pretty much, every girl you stay in contact with will have money issues and will ask you for money eventually. It is a heavy guilt trip that they will lay on you. No money for rent, mother in the hospital, need meds for the baby, no food to eat, sick and need meds, electricity cut off, will be homeless soon. It may be true but you are not her family or boyfriend or anyone she actually cares about.

I don't mind giving a girl money to help her out when I am in country and I always tell them that I don't send money but I can help you when I am there if you take care of me.

Now sending a little bit of money is not a big deal money wise but the problem becomes that she will continue to ask for money in the future because there will always be money issues with these girls. So sending money once will start a cycle of money requests in the future for even worse financial problems.

So for myself, I just hold true to a simple mantra, as the fellow board member would say, never send money to a girl. But by all means, help her out when you are there and she is taking care of you.[/QUOTE]All great advice in general.

I follow my own rules, however.

I know who is deserving and who's playing or trying to play me.

Girls are in different buckets of our particular friendships / relationships.

If I help out a particular girl who I have a great relationship with, and who I believe is deserving, I help out, and I really don't care what she uses the money for.

If she happens to get too "give me give me" later, I just say No if I want. It's not difficult.

I've been fortunate in my life, I don't mind helping out deserving people.

I'm not a moron though, Lol.

I can figure out who's who in this game we play.

Peace.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2738198]So for myself, I just hold true to a simple mantra, as the fellow board member would say, never send money to a girl. But by all means, help her out when you are there and she is taking care of you.[/QUOTE]Can I ask, what is the material difference? Surely, if you want to help someone, you just help them, no?

The only difference I see is if you help someone when your not there, you are doing smthg more altruistic. If you only help someone when your present, then it's a more selfish act. Or did I miss smthg?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738285]Can I ask, what is the material difference? Surely, if you want to help someone, you just help them, no?

The only difference I see is if you help someone when your not there, you are doing smthg more altruistic. If you only help someone when your present, then it's a more selfish act. Or did I miss smthg?[/QUOTE]What I meant is that a girl needs money, you are in Medellin, I say come on over and I'll help you out. She comes over and takes care of my needs and she gets money to pay for her expenses. It is not altruistic in any way. Am I helping them out? Yes because she gets the money but she has to work for it.

When I am in the USA, and a girl needs money and asks me for money, I don't get anything in return. Now some think they are being altruistic when they sent money but you are no Mother Teresa when you only give money to hot young girls who have sex with you or are going to have sex with you. Usually charitable donations do not have those guidelines involved.

I tell the girls that I will help them out when I am there and they have to wait. The girls don't want to lose a client on a future trip so they usually just accept that answer and still see you.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738285]Can I ask, what is the material difference? Surely, if you want to help someone, you just help them, no?

The only difference I see is if you help someone when your not there, you are doing smthg more altruistic. If you only help someone when your present, then it's a more selfish act. Or did I miss smthg?[/QUOTE]I think helping out for a time may be a good thing. But there is a huge problem with getting in and not being able to get out. The issue is that the lifestyle of the gal and her child or children will rapidly change. And I'm not talking anything extravagant necessarily. I know from experience how this works. Gal 1 moved into a better apartment, still basic, but better. And gave up prostitution. Got a civi job. Problem. Big big shortfall in money for basic needs, food, rent, etc. Etc. So I continue to help. Guess what. Lifetime commitment, or in some cases just too much to afford. Believe me there is no good way to exit. People get hurt very very badly. I could elaborate but I won't. You may be helping the greatest gal in the world, you may be in love, whatever. But the minute their life improves with your contributions those contributions become a necessity. If your pocketbook is deep enough and you have the intention of a permanent connection, ok perhaps. But only if you have a lot of extra cash and are prepared to make a real relationship out of it if it comes to that.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738285]The only difference I see is if you help someone when your not there, you are doing smthg more altruistic. If you only help someone when your present, then it's a more selfish act. Or did I miss smthg?[/QUOTE]Yes. But that is not to say that being selfish is a bad thing. I love McDonald's, but if they are going under am I going to send money to help keep the company afloat or am I only interested in helping McDonald's out when I am there in person getting burgers and fries for the money I am handing over? With that said, if I was starving to death would McDonald's rush over with a couple of free Big Macs? Probably not.

If he was there horny as a horndog with no money, would the chick (assuming she is a hooker) rush over to give him some free pussy? Probably not.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2738327]If your pocketbook is deep enough and you have the intention of a permanent connection, ok perhaps. But only if you have a lot of extra cash and are prepared to make a real relationship out of it if it comes to that.[/QUOTE]By real relationship do you mean one where you routinely send money and get nothing except a smaller bank account and a warm and fuzzy feeling inside in return?

Chica tried to insist she meant $200 usd not 200 k pesos LOL. Needless to say she left with the 200 k smh.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738340]Chica tried to insist she meant $200 usd not 200 k pesos LOL. Needless to say she left with the 200 k smh.[/QUOTE]Perhaps you can clarify where you met this Chica, because it doesn't sound like a Centro street hoe.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738340]Chica tried to insist she meant $200 usd not 200 k pesos LOL. Needless to say she left with the 200 k smh.[/QUOTE]Ask her how much the average Colombian makes in a month. Then when she answers say and you seriously think someone is going to give you 900,000 pesos for a couple of hours? Since 200 sounds like a low number for currency for them, they think it is nothing to us.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738340]Chica tried to insist she meant $200 usd not 200 k pesos LOL. Needless to say she left with the 200 k smh.[/QUOTE]I feel like I reached a milestone yesterday. Sort of proud of myself. I walked from a session yesterday that I was very much looking for because I had visited before. She was almost 20 minutes late in letting me into the apartment. Then said she couldn't do an hour because she had to leave in 40 minutes. So I asked about the reduced rate / medio and it was the same as the hour. So I just said no gracias and walked. If she had apologized for the poor communication around letting me in I would have handled it differently probably. I figured I probably wouldn't have a good time at that point anyways.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2738327]I think helping out for a time may be a good thing. But there is a huge problem with getting in and not being able to get out. The issue is that the lifestyle of the gal and her child or children will rapidly change. And I'm not talking anything extravagant necessarily. I know from experience how this works. Gal 1 moved into a better apartment, still basic, but better. And gave up prostitution. Got a civi job. Problem. Big big shortfall in money for basic needs, food, rent, etc. Etc. So I continue to help. Guess what. Lifetime commitment, or in some cases just too much to afford. Believe me there is no good way to exit. People get hurt very very badly. I could elaborate but I won't. You may be helping the greatest gal in the world, you may be in love, whatever. But the minute their life improves with your contributions those contributions become a necessity. If your pocketbook is deep enough and you have the intention of a permanent connection, ok perhaps. But only if you have a lot of extra cash and are prepared to make a real relationship out of it if it comes to that.[/QUOTE]Some really good advice here. I'm a guy who made a relationship work for a couple years. The key is the relationship. There is no such thing as temporary help. As Zeos said, "help" provides an increase in standard of living. But they get accustomed to that and need your continued help. The example Zeos gives is very common.

With a relationship, it can work. But even that has challenges, depending on the living situation. But great advice, Zeos.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738340]Chica tried to insist she meant $200 usd not 200 k pesos LOL. Needless to say she left with the 200 k smh.[/QUOTE]Better yet, explicitly state that you're talking mil pesos in your communications.

Of course, she could still try to say you agreed on a USD amount. But being very explicit that the deal in is pesos will avoid this most of the time.

I plan to stay at the Mansion for a couple of nights because I am a lazy fuck and I enjoy a pool but I am looking for a nice hotel that is guest friendly either near parque lleras or central. I know it is a big spread but still asking. First time in MDE. I have the World Traveler 69 map and intend to use and report on it but the guest at the hotel thing, I need advice.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2738397]I plan to stay at the Mansion for a couple of nights because I am a lazy fuck and I enjoy a pool but I am looking for a nice hotel that is guest friendly either near parque lleras or central. I know it is a big spread but still asking. First time in MDE. I have the World Traveler 69 map and intend to use and report on it but the guest at the hotel thing, I need advice.[/QUOTE]I really liked Haven. It's was pretty nice had a rooftop pool and bar and guest friendly.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2738327]I think helping out for a time may be a good thing. ....[/QUOTE]There was a young girl that just came out of period told me she didn't have money to buy food. I said take metro to me and I will buy food for her. She said she did not have Civica card. I said that was the only condition I could buy her food. She showed up because her mother gave her the taxi money. LOL. So I took her to have dinner and gave her some money to go home with, and she took taxi back.

That above is not even the observation I try to make. What happened after is she asked my wingman for money after she got money from me. I taught her a bad lesson. LOL.

My guess is the girls that take metro regularly are usually the girls with regular job. Many girls I know don't even have metro card so I guess it probably has nothing to do with P4 P.

I read complaints about guest fees at Haven. I read this on tripadvisor so it might it's best to confirm with the hotel.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2738398]I really liked Haven. It's was pretty nice had a rooftop pool and bar and guest friendly.[/QUOTE]

Sending money is a sucker's game.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2738050]About a year ago I posted what I called [B] Villainy's Rules [/B].

I won't repost them again (do I hear a collective sigh of relief?

Rule 3 [B]A[/B].

[B]Never[/B] send money to a girl you [B]don't[/B] know. This should be an absolute. First and foremost you can't be sure you're sending it to a girl. That's right it may be a guy with some girl's / model's photos. You might even discover this by using the on-line program called "Tin-Eye". Nevertheless, even if it really is a girl. You don't know her, so why would you ever consider sending her money? If you are really desperate, send me the money and I'll send you some naked pictures (of a girl, of course) jajajaja and you can fantasize all you want. OK Mr. Admin. That was a joke.

Rule 3 [B]B[/B].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2738397]I plan to stay at the Mansion for a couple of nights because I am a lazy fuck and I enjoy a pool but I am looking for a nice hotel that is guest friendly either near parque lleras or central. I know it is a big spread but still asking. First time in MDE. I have the World Traveler 69 map and intend to use and report on it but the guest at the hotel thing, I need advice.[/QUOTE]Can you give me the website for this mansion place and what is this world traveler map you speak of?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2738397]I plan to stay at the Mansion for a couple of nights because I am a lazy fuck and I enjoy a pool but I am looking for a nice hotel that is guest friendly either near parque lleras or central. I know it is a big spread but still asking. First time in MDE. I have the World Traveler 69 map and intend to use and report on it but the guest at the hotel thing, I need advice.[/QUOTE]I also love a pool, but heard many times the pool at Mansion is very very cold and hardly ever anyone swims in it, including the girls, just a heads up.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2738272]All great advice in general.

I follow my own rules, however.

I know who is deserving and who's playing or trying to play me.

Girls are in different buckets of our particular friendships / relationships.

If I help out a particular girl who I have a great relationship with, and who I believe is deserving, I help out, and I really don't care what she uses the money for.

If she happens to get too "give me give me" later, I just say No if I want. It's not difficult..[/QUOTE]I can relate to this 100% and most of the other comments on this topic are also correct in their own way. In my early years I was a total mess, confused, wanted to help various people I'd meet in person, like feeling bad, guilty, etc; Until one day a fellow gringo sat me down and schooled me on this and how to tackle it.

This is by far the most complication we get in this lifestyle. We travel for fun, extend our stay, oops we decided or found the skills and balls to mingle with the locals, blend in, even starting to dress like a chico, then let's roleplay a relationship, and that's where the danger starts.

In nearly 15 years in this I've had my fair share of issues but usually mostly handled. In that amount of years I've sent less than $500 USD total to random novias, friends, and I still think that's too much. I think I'm the El Cheapo WU papi of the century. That's in about 15 yrs! Like many of the comments state, your girl will ask $50 for a minor emergency and you'll feel like an asshole if you don't send it, especially if it's a local you've been banging for free which were my cases. Local novias will happen in my extended stays of 30 days or longer. One thing however I never sent nor will ever send money to a prepago or women I've paid for sex. I would rather drink bleach before I do that. But come on amigos, I don't think it's a big deal if she was a real friend, and in fact you can help a friend that you're not banging. That's just my general philosophy although I barely practice it. Yes I'm super friendly, make friends easily, speak average Spanish. I'm financially secure, great job, I invest, but my personality and core values deeply hates the feeling of being a bank account to someone or befriended for such opportunities. Again I respect those who do.

I would say to take the same caution that we all seem to be hinting, that is key. Don't be a chomp and allow someone to use you or play you, and for me that's the line I carefully study to know who's really in need vs who's playing games. Then of course when no games or not are played, if I send a one time gift it means one time, period. Get a job, go start hooking if you haven't already, do what you have to do. Sometimes I would bore them with my high bills and taxes and scare the shit out of them till they pity me and stop asking LOL. Play reverse psychology and manipulate if you have to. And yes, I am an asshole too. These girls or any indv you befriend from anywhere who's much much poorer than you, well technically is not your real friend, you became a source. It's the same concept as to why most rich folks or celebrities don't mingle or marry regular average joes. It's silly and yes it still happens for real love blah blah horseshit.

I get phone numbers from all types of locals when I travel incl cops, merchants, business owners, novias, putas, gringos, you name it. With all those encounters I have yet to meet one, except for the gringos, where I would gain anything from their friendship or me not being a source or an opportunity. If you can't tell yet I'm all about a balanced scale. Life itself and everything in it should be so or at least I try to make it so. I don't even consider myself wise, what I maintain is basically learned over years w some experience, and some good pointers by few fellow travel buds.

Now, let's go fuck some more WG.

Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side, I've got a few posts on the USA end of things with "Earlystart83" profile. Wanted to give a shot out to the active accounts that share knowledge and experience here and really give a huge head start to those that want to do a bit a research. Respect!

Tiny background: late thirties, American, 50 nations, tons of states. Mongered in many of those spots despite the vast majority of the trips not being "mongering trips". . Done some quintessential legs of the worldwide monger scene: Thailand, Tijuana, Brazil, Vietnam, DR, Costa Rica, Holland, Germany etc etc. Experienced the high end FKK / thermas styles, revolving door Hot Tocs (blow job salons), to abandoned lot / back alley <$10 streetwalker blowjobs in sketchy areas. Really enjoy the streetwalker tango in USA despite all of the potential risks (cops, getting robbed, drug addicted chicks, hyper low quality broads at.

Times etc). The thrill of that can be pretty exhilarating and sometimes you can find some diamonds in the rough. But that is specifically about just getting a blowjob in the car here and there. Done some fun streetwalker car acquisitions in Italy, CR, DR. But generally it's been by foot when I find myself abroad, so I'm ready to hit the pavement in MED.

I'm so excited to try Colombia. Heard about the quality and quantity for over a decade but the trip just never came together. From what I've gathered it's a special place with a lot of different options and styles. Here's my proposed plan: I'm there for 5 days. I know I love a good street scene and from what I've deduced from some research is: like all.

Places there is a certain level of risk, much lower percentage of top level chicks (compared to other higher end options), but with experience and some Spanish skills there are some treasures to excavate. I've got a seemingly solid air Bnb within about 12 blocks of plaza Bortero (south west of it across Oriental, seemingly not crazy sketchy based on reviews and research). I figure I can just hop over to some of the centro areas I've jotted down and peep the scene and slowly start to gauge the situation. I have no desire to hit Llera. Might hit up a few casas. I'the like to have at least one La isla type experience to see what the top end looks like so I can compare to the same levels / styles elsewhere in Brazil, Germany, Hong Kong etc. But I'm way more excited about the full on freelance scene where there are a wider range of variables, you satisfy that addictive feeling of a chase / hunt, and there is plenty of room for negotiation.

Would be stoked to hear what some of y'all think of that plan. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV but I know what I like and from what I hear, the centro street scene rivals any as far as price: quality goes. I'm aware of most pitfalls and I keep my head on a swivel so I'm not one to fall victim to most bonehead situations. I've also been known to love to ask girls to take photos and / or film which doesn't seem as conducive while chasing tail in higher end / nice spots or even most casas. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2738373]Some really good advice here. I'm a guy who made a relationship work for a couple years. The key is the relationship. There is no such thing as temporary help. As Zeos said, "help" provides an increase in standard of living. But they get accustomed to that and need your continued help. The example Zeos gives is very common.

With a relationship, it can work. But even that has challenges, depending on the living situation. But great advice, Zeos.[/QUOTE]No such thing as "temporary help" ??

Huh?

You send some help to a girl you think deserves a little something, and say that's it.

You don't have to put her on a weekly allowance, LOL.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2738536]No such thing as "temporary help" ??

Huh?

You send some help to a girl you think deserves a little something, and say that's it.

You don't have to put her on a weekly allowance, LOL.[/QUOTE]Of course it is possible. But if she clearly is in a very vulnerable position, and if you actually care about her it becomes more difficult. I've done exactly what you suggest a couple of times. Just said "this is it, doesn't matter if your kids are hungry. It's not my problem". But a couple of times I have helped a bit, not a regular amount, but over time it creates the situation I talked about, and it becomes a regular thing and very hard to get out of.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2738536]No such thing as "temporary help" ?? Huh? You send some help to a girl you think deserves a little something, and say that's it. You don't have to put her on a weekly allowance, LOL.[/QUOTE]So you think she deserves something the first time but does not deserve something the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time she asks? You think her kids should eat because they are hungry the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? You think they should have medicine or lights the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? Why care about it the first time but not care about it subsequent times? I tend to not care about it from the beginning.

If I do not tell them a flat out no, I say well I have the day off Saturday, but I will ask my boss if I can go in and work 8 hours so I will have money for you. That sounds ridiculous to most people. Then they realize that our money comes from actually working and it does not just magically appear for us to give away. Then they will say nevermind.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2738546]Of course it is possible. But if she clearly is in a very vulnerable position, and if you actually care about her it becomes more difficult. I've done exactly what you suggest a couple of times. Just said "this is it, doesn't matter if your kids are hungry. It's not my problem". But a couple of times I have helped a bit, not a regular amount, but over time it creates the situation I talked about, and it becomes a regular thing and very hard to get out of.[/QUOTE]Posts like this amaze me. All it takes to "get out of it" is a bit of backbone. Or better yet, don't get in the situation to start with. The girls are prostitutes. If she needs $ she has something to sell.

This used to be the go to position in forums such as this, but nowadays the send money guys are at least the most vocal. Let's hope they are still the minority. Wow.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2738546]Of course it is possible. But if she clearly is in a very vulnerable position, and if you actually care about her it becomes more difficult. I've done exactly what you suggest a couple of times. Just said "this is it, doesn't matter if your kids are hungry. It's not my problem". But a couple of times I have helped a bit, not a regular amount, but over time it creates the situation I talked about, and it becomes a regular thing and very hard to get out of.[/QUOTE]I'm a bit confused about this and how you can get in a position that is hard to get out of.

I personally have a few girls I help out from time to time, not a lot, and not enough to support a better lifestyle, such as a better apartment, etc.

However I temper it, and at times help them out when not asked depending on what is going on in their lives. And when I get a RFM, I don't always help them out, so they know it's not going to be regular thing. And when I turn them down when they make a RFM, they don't hold it against me.

I understand that if someone care's for someone how that might effect them in the situation being talked about, yet in reality, most of these women are just playing us all. And you can't blame them, so I try to balance how I deal with it, not giving much, yet something at times, and the dividends have been unreal.

I also think a lot of these women will respect a guy much more who don't cave every time they get an RFM.

Just my thoughts on all this after reading the numerous posts on this subject.

The last two times I was there, this is what I was told:

1) Maybe 6 months ago or so. You can have as many girls as you like per day, but only one at a time. If you have two at a time, you pay 100 mil for the extra.

2) August, 2022 - you are permitted to have one girl per day. If you have more, it is an extra 120 mil for each one (but only one at a time). I did not see a lot of chicas for the few days I was there (I was in an apartment for a week before that), but I want to think I had two girls visit in one day. And never got charged.

I also understand that if you get one of the more expensive rooms, they may permit you to have more than one at a time, so probably best to call. As their policies seem to change a bit over time.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2738406]I read complaints about guest fees at Haven. I read this on tripadvisor so it might it's best to confirm with the hotel.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738563]I'm a bit confused about this and how you can get in a position that is hard to get out of.[/QUOTE]Because he feels as guilty to quit sending money as he would have if he had said no the first time. And maybe he thinks he will lose his pussy if he does not send money the first time or that he will lose his pussy if he stops sending money.

It sounds complicated. I guess it is a good option if you have to be within walking distance of Parque Lleras. I always take everything I read on tripadvisor with a grain of salt.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2738591]The last two times I was there, this is what I was told:

1) Maybe 6 months ago or so. You can have as many girls as you like per day, but only one at a time. If you have two at a time, you pay 100 mil for the extra.

2) August, 2022 - you are permitted to have one girl per day. If you have more, it is an extra 120 mil for each one (but only one at a time). I did not see a lot of chicas for the few days I was there (I was in an apartment for a week before that), but I want to think I had two girls visit in one day. And never got charged.

I also understand that if you get one of the more expensive rooms, they may permit you to have more than one at a time, so probably best to call. As their policies seem to change a bit over time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2738557]Posts like this amaze me. All it takes to "get out of it" is a bit of backbone. Or better yet, don't get in the situation to start with. The girls are prostitutes. If she needs $ she has something to sell.

This used to be the go to position in forums such as this, but nowadays the send money guys are at least the most vocal. Let's hope they are still the minority. Wow.[/QUOTE]WTF do you care? I'll spend my money however I choose. BTW not all girls are prostitutes. I have had lovely experiences with scores of young women here and only some were prostitutes. Others were working or going to college and needed a little extra financial assistance. So they spent a few hours with me and our mutually beneficial friendship almost always ended on very good terms. On very rare occasions one will write me asking for money but most write me and ask if we can see each other again.

Jackrabbits who whine about how much other guys spend are usually broke and afraid that if prices get pushed up they might not be able to afford their $25 a day vacation.

[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2738506]Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side, I've got a few posts on the USA end of things with "Earlystart83" profile. Wanted to give a shot out to the active accounts that share knowledge and experience here and really give a huge head start to those that want to do a bit a research. Respect!

Tiny background: late thirties, American, 50 nations, tons of states. Mongered in many of those spots despite the vast majority of the trips not being "mongering trips". . Done some quintessential legs of the worldwide monger scene: Thailand, Tijuana, Brazil, Vietnam, DR, Costa Rica, Holland, Germany etc etc. Experienced the high end FKK / thermas styles, revolving door Hot Tocs (blow job salons), to abandoned lot / back alley <$10 streetwalker blowjobs in sketchy areas. Really enjoy the streetwalker tango in USA despite all of the potential risks (cops, getting robbed, drug addicted chicks, hyper low quality broads at.

Times etc). The thrill of that can be pretty exhilarating and sometimes you can find some diamonds in the rough. But that is specifically about just getting a blowjob in the car here and there. Done some fun streetwalker car acquisitions in Italy, CR, DR. But generally it's been by foot when I find myself abroad, so I'm ready to hit the pavement in MED.

I'm so excited to try Colombia. Heard about the quality and quantity for over a decade but the trip just never came together. From what I've gathered it's a special place with a lot of different options and styles. Here's my proposed plan: I'm there for 5 days. I know I love a good street scene and from what I've deduced from some research is: like all.

Places there is a certain level of risk, much lower percentage of top level chicks (compared to other higher end options), but with experience and some Spanish skills there are some treasures to excavate. I've got a seemingly solid air Bnb within about 12 blocks of plaza Bortero (south west of it across Oriental, seemingly not crazy sketchy based on reviews and research). I figure I can just hop over to some of the centro areas I've jotted down and peep the scene and slowly start to gauge the situation. I have no desire to hit Llera. Might hit up a few casas. I'the like to have at least one La isla type experience to see what the top end looks like so I can compare to the same levels / styles elsewhere in Brazil, Germany, Hong Kong etc. But I'm way more excited about the full on freelance scene where there are a wider range of variables, you satisfy that addictive feeling of a chase / hunt, and there is plenty of room for negotiation.

Would be stoked to hear what some of y'all think of that plan. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV but I know what I like and from what I hear, the centro street scene rivals any as far as price: quality goes. I'm aware of most pitfalls and I keep my head on a swivel so I'm not one to fall victim to most bonehead situations. I've also been known to love to ask girls to take photos and / or film which doesn't seem as conducive while chasing tail in higher end / nice spots or even most casas. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?[/QUOTE]I'll prob be the guy in centro starting tomorrow to beat you to that fresh cutie in the corner. I go hard in centro for day action and have evening date w fancier ladies from dating sites, non pros. After mde centro your next destination should be santa fe Bogota, even better. Yes you'll enjoy La Isla for some decent qualities. Honestly the best Medellin has to offer imo is from seeking (sugar daddy site), that's where I get my gems and that's likely where you'll meet local indie college cuties new too hookie willing to get filmd and take photos. Many of them thinks they're models hence the model shots from their profiles. That's a lot to do in 5 days, but if you're really a street dude once you hit el centro and some casas or clubs around centro you'll feel right at home and will likely forget those high maintenance hawkers. Since at times they ask for a lot, and def you won't have enough days for the non pro games since those sometimes wants to be wined and dined and no sex on first date LOL, No money exchanged either. Those dates are usually fine with me, that's how my spend my luxury time in between nuts on vaca, plus I don't have to eat alone, in the company of a beautiful 8+, non rushed, good convo, wine, and no money for sex or directly for sex when we got to that. If you see someone who looks like a real hunter in centro it's me LOL. Have fun.

By my own criteria I am a sucker because now that I think about it, over the years I've probably handed out 500,000 pesos to random panhandlers and girls in 500 to 1,000 peso increments. A tinto here, an empanada there and before you know it you are in the 7 figure territory. Around Centro it is part of the atmosphere. I don't think girls expect it on a regular basis as much as they want it and ask for it. I feel like this is a variation on the how much is too much to pay girls. I am a bit of an anarchist on the subject. I don't think any amount is a problem as long as it doesn't put the person paying it or giving it out in financial ruin. I also don't think what I do or don't give to panhandlers or girls who claim to be in dire need has impact on other guys.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738563]I'm a bit confused about this and how you can get in a position that is hard to get out of.

I personally have a few girls I help out from time to time, not a lot, and not enough to support a better lifestyle, such as a better apartment, etc.

However I temper it, and at times help them out when not asked depending on what is going on in their lives. And when I get a RFM, I don't always help them out, so they know it's not going to be regular thing. And when I turn them down when they make a RFM, they don't hold it against me.

I understand that if someone care's for someone how that might effect them in the situation being talked about, yet in reality, most of these women are just playing us all. And you can't blame them, so I try to balance how I deal with it, not giving much, yet something at times, and the dividends have been unreal.

I also think a lot of these women will respect a guy much more who don't cave every time they get an RFM.

Just my thoughts on all this after reading the numerous posts on this subject.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738351]Perhaps you can clarify where you met this Chica, because it doesn't sound like a Centro street hoe.[/QUOTE]Tinder, I would never give an el centro chica 200 k for a 1 and done LOL.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2738449]I also love a pool, but heard many times the pool at Mansion is very very cold and hardly ever anyone swims in it, including the girls, just a heads up.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the pool is covered by a black mesh screen so that office workers in the nearby high rise buildings don't look down and see too much "inappropriate" activity (that is how it was explained to me).

So no direct sunlight equals extra cool water.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2738654]Yeah, the pool is covered by a black mesh screen so that office workers in the nearby high rise buildings don't look down and see too much "inappropriate" activity (that is how it was explained to me).

So no direct sunlight equals extra cool water.[/QUOTE]No offense to anyone here but the mansion is overrated.

[QUOTE=Mechanic88;2738398]I really liked Haven. It's was pretty nice had a rooftop pool and bar and guest friendly.[/QUOTE]Ditto on Haven. Their rooms are awesome (some of them have in-room jacuzzi or on the balcony). Free buffet breakfast has a pretty good spread including eggs and deli. Security is always visible in the lobby. Down side is after 1 girl / day they charge 100 k COP for 2nd girl on. You may be able to get them through without registration at certain times of the day. Great beds, linens, towels, room service. Also. Make friends with the security and tip well for a better stay. Pool is only open I think until 6 pm or so (that's where your in-room jacuzzi comes in). They also have a sister property Viktory that was under renovations when I was there but similar types of rooms if willing to pay a premium to stay in that area.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738329]Yes. But that is not to say that being selfish is a bad thing. I love McDonald's, but if they are going under am I going to send money to help keep the company afloat or am I only interested in helping McDonald's out when I am there in person getting burgers and fries for the money I am handing over? With that said, if I was starving to death would McDonald's rush over with a couple of free Big Macs? Probably not.

If he was there horny as a horndog with no money, would the chick (assuming she is a hooker) rush over to give him some free pussy? Probably not.[/QUOTE]You've got to get off of McDonald's. Every damn thing you compare to McDonald's and it usually doesn't work. Let's change it to something more realistic.

Let's say that Sophia sells homemade tamales. Every day she makes a fresh batch and visits local office buildings and construction sites selling her tamales. She uses the money to support herself and her family.

Now you have something comparable. Both Sophia and the random prepago are selling their own product, as sole proprietors, instead of a multinational, publicly traded corporation. It's unlikely that the board of directors for McDonald's knows who you are, no matter how often you eat there. However, if you're a regular customer of Sophia's, she probably knows your name.

If Sophia doesn't show up for a few days, one or more of her customers might wonder why, might do some checking and might find out she's been sick and can't work. Those same concerned customers might take up a collection to help Sophia out until she recovers.

In this situation, do you toss a few dollars into the hat, or do you only offer to help if someone is promising you free tamales in the future?

Of course with the random girl on Whatsapp there's always a good chance that her crisis is all bullshit.

If a random monger is in Medellin and has no money, his priority should be either getting money, or getting back home where he can get some money. I speak from experience. I can tell you that when I was flat broke in Laureles I wasn't wasting my time messaging prepagos looking for free sex.

I disagree with the "never send money" view on a personal level, while recognizing it as good advice for the new mongers. Instead, I assess each situation, considering also my current cash flow, and make a decision. The one factor which is never part of the process is "what's in it for me?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738361]Ask her how much the average Colombian makes in a month. Then when she answers say and you seriously think someone is going to give you 900,000 pesos for a couple of hours? Since 200 sounds like a low number for currency for them, they think it is nothing to us.[/QUOTE]Why? Is it really worth your time to debate comparative economics with someone who at best has a high school education?

Should I be doing the same? When I take my truck in for repair and see that the hourly labor rate is $165, should I point out that the average American earns $11 per hour?

Instead, avoid the confusion from the very beginning. If she says "200", respond with "200 mil pesos, si?" If she insists on dollars, thank her for her time and walk away.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2738481]

I get phone numbers from all types of locals when I travel incl cops, merchants, business owners, novias, putas, gringos, you name it. With all those encounters I have yet to meet one, except for the gringos, where I would gain anything from their friendship or me not being a source or an opportunity. If you can't tell yet I'm all about a balanced scale. Life itself and everything in it should be so or at least I try to make it so. I don't even consider myself wise, what I maintain is basically learned over years w some experience, and some good pointers by few fellow travel buds. [/QUOTE]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.

I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738661]No offense to anyone here but the mansion is overrated.[/QUOTE]Overrated for what?

It is what it is. For some guys it's heaven on earth. For others it's a complete waste of money. Many newbie mongers can benefit greatly from a few nights at the Mansion. Even some experienced mongers find that it fits their style.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2738682]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.

I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.[/QUOTE]It's not often that I read a post which makes me want to buy someone a beer. I like your style.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738550]So you think she deserves something the first time but does not deserve something the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time she asks? You think her kids should eat because they are hungry the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? You think they should have medicine or lights the first time but not the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th time? Why care about it the first time but not care about it subsequent times? I tend to not care about it from the beginning.

If I do not tell them a flat out no, I say well I have the day off Saturday, but I will ask my boss if I can go in and work 8 hours so I will have money for you. That sounds ridiculous to most people. Then they realize that our money comes from actually working and it does not just magically appear for us to give away. Then they will say nevermind.[/QUOTE]Say what? I just help a little, at times, when I want, if she's been the type that's done me right.

I don't over complicate it.

I don't put anyone on an allowance.

I either say yes or no, I don't evaluate her budget, her family, her situation, etc.

I know your mantra, and that's Ok, that's your thing.

I help out a deserving person, at times, at that moment, if I want.

I've said No, way more than yes.

Read Surfer's Post on this.

He said it right.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738563]
I understand that if someone care's for someone how that might effect them in the situation being talked about, yet in reality, most of these women are just playing us all. And you can't blame them, so I try to balance how I deal with it, not giving much, yet something at times, and the dividends have been unreal.

[/QUOTE]Right on Surfer.

Pros and cons? Girl friendly?

I think your plan is solid. I'm going to enjoy reading about your journey into Centro rat status. My gut tells me that is where you will wind up but time will tell.

[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2738506]Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side, I've got a few posts on the USA end of things with "Earlystart83" profile. Wanted to give a shot out to the active accounts that share knowledge and experience here and really give a huge head start to those that want to do a bit a research. Respect!

Tiny background: late thirties, American, 50 nations, tons of states. Mongered in many of those spots despite the vast majority of the trips not being "mongering trips". . Done some quintessential legs of the worldwide monger scene: Thailand, Tijuana, Brazil, Vietnam, DR, Costa Rica, Holland, Germany etc etc. Experienced the high end FKK / thermas styles, revolving door Hot Tocs (blow job salons), to abandoned lot / back alley <$10 streetwalker blowjobs in sketchy areas. Really enjoy the streetwalker tango in USA despite all of the potential risks (cops, getting robbed, drug addicted chicks, hyper low quality broads at.

Times etc). The thrill of that can be pretty exhilarating and sometimes you can find some diamonds in the rough. But that is specifically about just getting a blowjob in the car here and there. Done some fun streetwalker car acquisitions in Italy, CR, DR. But generally it's been by foot when I find myself abroad, so I'm ready to hit the pavement in MED.

I'm so excited to try Colombia. Heard about the quality and quantity for over a decade but the trip just never came together. From what I've gathered it's a special place with a lot of different options and styles. Here's my proposed plan: I'm there for 5 days. I know I love a good street scene and from what I've deduced from some research is: like all.

Places there is a certain level of risk, much lower percentage of top level chicks (compared to other higher end options), but with experience and some Spanish skills there are some treasures to excavate. I've got a seemingly solid air Bnb within about 12 blocks of plaza Bortero (south west of it across Oriental, seemingly not crazy sketchy based on reviews and research). I figure I can just hop over to some of the centro areas I've jotted down and peep the scene and slowly start to gauge the situation. I have no desire to hit Llera. Might hit up a few casas. I'the like to have at least one La isla type experience to see what the top end looks like so I can compare to the same levels / styles elsewhere in Brazil, Germany, Hong Kong etc. But I'm way more excited about the full on freelance scene where there are a wider range of variables, you satisfy that addictive feeling of a chase / hunt, and there is plenty of room for negotiation.

Would be stoked to hear what some of y'all think of that plan. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and YMMV but I know what I like and from what I hear, the centro street scene rivals any as far as price: quality goes. I'm aware of most pitfalls and I keep my head on a swivel so I'm not one to fall victim to most bonehead situations. I've also been known to love to ask girls to take photos and / or film which doesn't seem as conducive while chasing tail in higher end / nice spots or even most casas. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Recondite;2738682]Differences in socioeconomic status do complicate things but I strongly disagree with some of this. I think there is a load to gain from making local friends including normal girls and those relationships are far from always about money. You can find truly good people out there that are not after your money and they may even refuse gifts when you offer to give things to them. Making local friends gives you access to information, whether it be who is a trustworthy or good dentist or doctor, what's a great place to eat or a fun area to see, and where is safe to go and not. You also get more interesting and authentic experiences when you travel if you have people that invite you into their homes, to go party with them, or want to take you places that they know and love you may never have even heard of. That is worth a lot to me.

I also think there is a lot to gain from friendships with people of different backgrounds and economic status than you more generally. In the US some of my best friends are Latino and quite a few are working class and undocumented. I easily make friends with them because I speak good Spanish and have visited much of Latin America, especially Central America where a lot of the local Latino population is from. When I do renovations on my house, I use a friend who is a contractor, and its great because 1) I trust him completely and know he does excellent work and 2) he charges me a fraction of what he'd charge you (and I know because I've helped him make estimates for his clients). I'm also friends with other contractors, a mechanic, a gardener, and a barber and they all take care of me. They either do things for free for me or at way below market rates. I help all of them how I can, mainly helping translate Spanish to English and vice versa, with computer-related things, documents, or advice and I've even helped one post bail before after a traffic issue (not with the money but his wife needed a citizen / resident to sign him out). They do not have close to my level of education or socioeconomic status but I still benefit greatly from their friendships.[/QUOTE]You're going on a rant disagreeing and it's fine but we're talking about two diff things. Obviously we all make friends locally back home and I never mentioned anything or issues of such LOL. I'm speaking strictly about befriending mostly girls we bang overseas especially in 3rd world areas (Germany and major countries excl LOL), or the random local that want to be friend cause you're a gringo w some green. Come on man I never implied no one is ever helpful locally or genuinely helpful. My family's from a poor country so I'm sure I got more of those friends and fam than you. If not that'd be absurd.

I'm referring to first of all becoming friend w a puta, then a local you're banging and the random asking for money which is false and silly and plain dumb if you become that guy who keep sending. Then local dudes who want to keep in touch to ask you for an iphone or shoes when your coming to town. The normal people outside of that you meet at home or abroad isn't part of this convo.

This topic is important bc we don't just travel to blend it, we actually stand out like weeknd millionaires spending and banging spending thousands, the amount of money some of us spend in one trip some of those poor folks don't see in a year, we all knows. Once you get the little emotions and humanity feelings out of the way you'll realize in general those friendships arent real, far from.

You admitted it yourself, socialeconomic status do complicate things. You can't have it both ways bruh. Either be a humanitarian and go help save the world with your might, remove the front door from your home so all local homeless folks can come to sleep LOL, or. As a monger and degenerate like the rest of us you watch out for rats everywhere. Not that complicated.

[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2738506]Yoooo! Hello fellow mongers. Inaugural post here on the international side. My goal isn't to get deals, and awesome rates, it's just to get find high quality Colombianas, and once they've proven their worth, keep 'them around for more hours, overnight, or even repeat. Thoughts / advice?[/QUOTE]My thoughts on this, well first off, it's obvious that you haven't RTFF going back a at least a few months.

Granted there is a huge backlog of posts to read, but you will not achieve what you want to do in five days, and you will only scratch the surface here with all the mongering venues, and unless you have some Spanish speaking skills it's going to be tough, and if you think a translator is going to handle any language issues, well good luck with that.

Your probably better pressed to stay at the Mansion, and hire a driver / guide to take you around.

This is my recommendation for a maiden voyage only lasting five days.

I'm not trying to be an asshole about this, but you asked, and this is my advice to you.

Some guys show up here, and think since they've mongered all over the world like you that it might be a cakewalk here.

Well it won't be until you've spent a fair amount of time here.

What you would like to achieve on your maiden voyage is akin to a wet dream.

Sorry to be so blunt about this, but you asked for thoughts and advice and hopefully you have thick skin.

Good Luck!

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2738329]Yes. But that is not to say that being selfish is a bad thing. I love McDonald's, but if they are going under am I going to send money to help keep the company afloat or am I only interested in helping McDonald's out when I am there in person getting burgers and fries for the money I am handing over? With that said, if I was starving to death would McDonald's rush over with a couple of free Big Macs? Probably not.

[/QUOTE]Thats a poor analogy though. You would help a person presumably bcos you care about that person. That person might need help whthere you there or not. Its like helping a friend out. Would you tell a friend from back home that you don't want to help them until you get home, so you can chat to him and share in his company while your helping him? That would seem a rather bizarre reaction, no? Whereas McDonalds. You don't care what they do when your not there. They may as well close down and wait for your return before reopening as far as you care. Put the burgers back in the freezer.

[QUOTE=RacShack;2738449]I also love a pool, but heard many times the pool at Mansion is very very cold and hardly ever anyone swims in it, including the girls, just a heads up.[/QUOTE]Correct. There are hardly any heated pools in MDE. NIght temps average 17 C so you can imagine how cold the water gets. I need a thick wetsuit to swim in that. Best pool in MDE that I know of is the Dann Carlton. Big, warm, holiday ambience.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738708]Correct. There are hardly any heated pools in MDE. NIght temps average 17 C so you can imagine how cold the water gets. I need a thick wetsuit to swim in that. Best pool in MDE that I know of is the Dann Carlton. Big, warm, holiday ambience.[/QUOTE]I don't know what the status is of el Castillo these days (the other house up the hill), but it had a much nicer pool last time I decided to walk up there.

Does anyone know of any other strip clubs in el centro besides the 2 next to each other across from botero plaza and the 1 if you walk out the back of nutibara and go right down the block?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2738713]Does anyone know of any other strip clubs in el centro besides the 2 next to each other across from botero plaza and the 1 if you walk out the back of nutibara and go right down the block?[/QUOTE]The one on the same strip as Nuti you're talking about Conejitas and two others on same line, and other one you mentioned is Barra Ejcutiva. If you walk past Conejitas, after one block make a right, there should like 2 more clubs on left and the one I went into was Hilton Grill. The girls are usually cuter / younger and hotter in there. Couple mo back was 70 mil for a bang and beer 4 or 7 mil.

One is anyone have problems with check mig, I am leaving tonight to Medellin, it keeps crashing when I enter the flight number.

Also is ok to take money out of the ATM at the airport or wait untill to get to your hotel.

I prepaid for taxi / shuttle to the hotel.

It's been a while since I last came to Colombia.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738707]Thats a poor analogy though. You would help a person presumably bcos you care about that person. That person might need help whthere you there or not. Its like helping a friend out.[/QUOTE]We are talking about mongers and presumably hookers though. Nobody is sending money to random people to be nice or they like their style. They are sending money to people they plan on fucking, have fucked, plan on fucking again. Maybe I am wrong and a bunch of guys are sending money to chicks they have never and do not plan on having sexual contact with. That is when I would call it helping a friend out.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2738720]One is anyone have problems with check mig, I am leaving tonight to Medellin, it keeps crashing when I enter the flight number.

Also is ok to take money out of the ATM at the airport or wait untill to get to your hotel.

I prepaid for taxi / shuttle to the hotel.

It's been a while since I last came to Colombia.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]ATM at the airport is good to use and check-mig always gives me problems on my apple computer.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738708]Correct. There are hardly any heated pools in MDE. NIght temps average 17 C so you can imagine how cold the water gets. I need a thick wetsuit to swim in that. Best pool in MDE that I know of is the Dann Carlton. Big, warm, holiday ambience.[/QUOTE]Excellent pool, love it, but any update on their guest policy? I heard at one point it changed, ? They still girl friendly if book room for 2 and no ridiculous entry fee,. ?

Word of advice. Do not use check-mig app. Use the website. All popular browsers should work just fine.

I use Duckduckgo but Safari or Chrome are OK too.

Bancolombia ATM at the airport is fine. Same as any other ATM in town. 600,000 each withdrawal.

Have fun.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2738720]One is anyone have problems with check mig, I am leaving tonight to Medellin, it keeps crashing when I enter the flight number.

Also is ok to take money out of the ATM at the airport or wait untill to get to your hotel.

I prepaid for taxi / shuttle to the hotel.

It's been a while since I last came to Colombia.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

BTW, when you input flight number, just use the number and don't input the airlines prefix.

True story about Check-mig process. A good friend of mine missed his flight because he could not find United states under country of origin. Please look for Estados Unidos even in the English version of the app. Sounds silly but for a first timer it can be frustrating.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2738720]One is anyone have problems with check mig, I am leaving tonight to Medellin, it keeps crashing when I enter the flight number.

Also is ok to take money out of the ATM at the airport or wait untill to get to your hotel.

I prepaid for taxi / shuttle to the hotel.

It's been a while since I last came to Colombia.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738708]Correct. There are hardly any heated pools in MDE. NIght temps average 17 C so you can imagine how cold the water gets. I need a thick wetsuit to swim in that. Best pool in MDE that I know of is the Dann Carlton. Big, warm, holiday ambience.[/QUOTE]Hotel Haven has heated pool. I believe Click Clack and Charlie pools are heated too.

You have to be careful to select the right airport as well. It's easy to click Olaya by mistake and then the flight number won't return a result. Colombian web sites follow the Colombian pattern of unnecessary complexity.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2738741]BTW, when you input flight number, just use the number and don't input the airlines prefix.

True story about Check-mig process. A good friend of mine missed his flight because he could not find United states under country of origin. Please look for Estados Unidos even in the English version of the app. Sounds silly but for a first timer it can be frustrating.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2738741]BTW, when you input flight number, just use the number and don't input the airlines prefix.

True story about Check-mig process. A good friend of mine missed his flight because he could not find United states under country of origin. Please look for Estados Unidos even in the English version of the app. Sounds silly but for a first timer it can be frustrating.[/QUOTE]I did my Check Mig today. It took me a moment to figure out what was going on when I couldn't find US in the list. I guess they translated the page, but not the drop down options. I read somewhere that the app sucks, so I just used my PC.

Hopefully this may help those with Check-Mig issues:

Don't use any 3rd party sites. Go directly to the Colombian site, migracion (no space) Colombia. Gov. Co / Click on check-mig banner, then click on another check-mig banner.

Once on the main page, you can select English on top as an option. Then normally you would click on the left link "Realice su Check-Mig" but don't do that yet.

First Register by clicking on the middle link "Viajero Frecuente" and actually register. This will basically create an acct, you'll need your email and choose a password.

After that you can login, and then registration and will be super smooth, you can take a screenshot of the confirmation page (don't forget to click accept), and an email confirmation will be sent to you which is what you show at the Airport.

Location is good. Pool on the roof is small, but not bad. For me, bed was way too hard. I'm a side sleeper and that bed f'd up my shoulders quite a bit in only 4 nights. I stayed at the Landmark hotel one night when I got stuck in MDE (cancelled flight). I really like that hotel. Comfortable bed, great pool, nice staff. But I am not sure if they are chica friendly. I did not try.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2738618]It sounds complicated. I guess it is a good option if you have to be within walking distance of Parque Lleras. I always take everything I read on tripadvisor with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2738621]I'll prob be the guy in centro starting tomorrow to beat you to that fresh cutie in the corner. I go hard in centro for day action and have evening date w fancier ladies from dating sites, non pros. After mde centro your next destination should be santa fe Bogota, even better. Yes you'll enjoy La Isla for some decent qualities. Honestly the best Medellin has to offer imo is from seeking (sugar daddy site), that's where I get my gems and that's likely where you'll meet local indie college cuties new too hookie willing to get filmd and take photos. Many of them thinks they're models hence the model shots from their profiles. That's a lot to do in 5 days, but if you're really a street dude once you hit el centro and some casas or clubs around centro you'll feel right at home and will likely forget those high maintenance hawkers. Since at times they ask for a lot, and def you won't have enough days for the non pro games since those sometimes wants to be wined and dined and no sex on first date LOL, No money exchanged either. Those dates are usually fine with me, that's how my spend my luxury time in between nuts on vaca, plus I don't have to eat alone, in the company of a beautiful 8+, non rushed, good convo, wine, and no money for sex or directly for sex when we got to that. If you see someone who looks like a real hunter in centro it's me LOL. Have fun.[/QUOTE]Hahahaha. My guyyyy! I actually haven't heard anything of seekers, sounds pretty juicy. I really am getting the vibe that the non pros are pretty mean, some Spanish, natural charm, decent looks, and some personality can go a long way. A big part of me really gets into the type of chase involved in navigating the streets trying to find that gem (looks, good attitude, skilled) but that gray area puta chase, where the lines are blurred (semi pro, new to the hook game, actual civilian chicks etc): you're out at dinner, you're pouring on the charm, and trying to f'and earn the pussy. Fun stuff. We all know pussy hits different when you have to play your cards right and earn the prize. It can never fully compare to blatant transactional sex. It's just different. But, that second kind of chase is hard cause if your time on the ground is limited (like you said) and the fact I've got a lady here in the states. If I was single I'the be scared that Medellin suck me in whole, long term.

I'll be honest, this thread on particular is pretty entertaining to read because of how wide the range is amongst the contributors. I've literally laughed out loud at the dudes defending the street scene on one end and dudes bragging about spending too dollar to bag 9's / 10's and how you can't have an excellent session unless you have a relationship (or some non sensical stuff). I feel like a mix of a lot of these types of mongers.

Stoked to share the tales. I've got work out there, and the colleagues I'm with may be hip to game, at least on knowing what goes down in MDE but I'm just going to keep it all on the DL and slide out on the solo. I reckon some late morning centro strolls to start, a casa or two by day two, and a La isla later in the trip, as kind of a cherry on top. Happy hunting why'all.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2738703]My thoughts on this, well first off, it's obvious that you haven't RTFF going back a at least a few months.

Granted there is a huge backlog of posts to read, but you will not achieve what you want to do in five days, and you will only scratch the surface here with all the mongering venues, and unless you have some Spanish speaking skills it's going to be tough, and if you think a translator is going to handle any language issues, well good luck with that.

Your probably better pressed to stay at the Mansion, and hire a driver / guide to take you around.

This is my recommendation for a maiden voyage only lasting five days.

I'm not trying to be an asshole about this, but you asked, and this is my advice to you.

Some guys show up here, and think since they've mongered all over the world like you that it might be a cakewalk here.

Well it won't be until you've spent a fair amount of time here.

What you would like to achieve on your maiden voyage is akin to a wet dream.

Sorry to be so blunt about this, but you asked for thoughts and advice and hopefully you have thick skin.

Good Luck![/QUOTE]Yep, I gotcha, no offense taken. I wouldn't have posted had I been cocky enough to think I could fly through this by just going back 50 pages (and intermittent reading over the last couple years). Every bit of turf is different, I think past debauchery gives me a leg up, but again, I'm tip toeing for those 5 days. Realistically I have little chance of being able to come often or for much more that 5-7 days considering my work and relationship status. But I have had many successful misadventures off the strength of experience and researching these forums. My Spanish is suuuper far from fluent but it's also smooth enough to not be labeled as basic. I've successfully navigated all types of transactional / simple relationship building convos. Small talk stuff with a sprinkle Joe of charm.

Unfortunately the mansion just isn't a realistic option. I'm there for work, so my daily schedule is sporadic and mongering is second priority. This stacks the odds up against me even further. But, I think what I'm gathering is: keep your expectations reasonable. Maybe my goal is just to find one gem that I can get some solid rocks off with and maybe some footage for memory's sake. I feel like aiming for anything more is unreasonable. After all, I'm all.

Of the experiences before it's hard to really be bat over. 500 as far as memorable, enjoyable, repeatable experiences wishing the span of a few days to a week in any American city or trip abroad. So if I secure 4 in 5 days with yield 1 gen I think that'll be a success. The experience helps with those initial vibe checks. Inexperience tends to lead many to believe that a girl who's initial attitude isn't great could still yield a great experience. I don't care how hot the chick is, if the attitude aint right, I walk away.

Thanks for the words, all this stuff is getting filed under the "don't forget what your Colombian monger fore fathers taught you" section of the brain.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2738743]Hotel Haven has heated pool. I believe Click Clack and Charlie pools are heated too.[/QUOTE]The majority of the swimming pools in the larger Hotels in Medellin are heated. If they weren't, than what would be the point of having one.

The largest Hotel pool in Medellin is at the Intercontinental Hotel. It's a full on Olympic size pool and is very wide, meaning more than just a few lanes, and it's heated of course. So for guys looking for a pool to swim laps in, well this is the place, albeit the location isn't the greatest.

Another option is the Landmark Hotel in Manila, albeit the pool length is not Olympic in length, about 22 yards, but will suffice, and I have stayed there. They probably have the longest roof top pool in Medellin, however it's quite narrow, only about three lanes wide.

Additionally, all of the public swimming pools in Medellin are heated like at Estadio, Bellen, and other sport centers around the City.

Another option is the water park adjacent to the local airport. They have several pools, and a few of them are heated, albeit the main wave pool is not.

Also, showering before entering the pool and wearing a swim cap is required at most places.

Thanks for the check log info, it works with your connecting flight, I was able to use ATM, currency exchange place are bunch of thieves,3,200 to $1.

Only bad part hotel won't check me until 3 pm.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2738741]BTW, when you input flight number, just use the number and don't input the airlines prefix.

True story about Check-mig process..[/QUOTE]The app is very "buggy" . It has not been tested across multiple browsers so the functionality doesn't work on all. Its a disgrace, to be fair, that a government immigration service demands use of smthg so flawed.

I'm not one to defend the government but to be fair I must say checkmig is one of the better functioning government web resources. Count your blessings you don't have to deal with the tax, immigration, or bank web sites. You never know what will happen after you make a keystroke.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2738919]The app is very "buggy" . It has not been tested across multiple browsers so the functionality doesn't work on all. Its a disgrace, to be fair, that a government immigration service demands use of smthg so flawed.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2738751]Hopefully this may help those with Check-Mig issues:

Don't use any 3rd party sites. Go directly to the Colombian site, migracion (no space) Colombia. Gov. Co / Click on check-mig banner, then click on another check-mig banner.[/QUOTE]Use this link to make it a little easier: [URL]https://apps.migracioncolombia.gov.co/pre-registro/public/preregistro.jsf[/URL].

Also, be sure to use the flight number of the flight that arrives at MDE. If you have a connection flight, don't use the number of the first flight.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2739016]I'm not one to defend the government but to be fair I must say checkmig is one of the better functioning government web resources. Count your blessings you don't have to deal with the tax, immigration, or bank web sites. You never know what will happen after you make a keystroke.[/QUOTE]That is soooo true. I wonder why Colombian (and Mexican also) tech resources are so terrible. It is 2022. Nothing fucking works. Check-mig is just a Database collecting site. A high schooler could write the code. Bancolombia to Viva air to utilities to car registration to credit card systems (to do business) all are terrible. Anyone know why? Lack of talent in tech?

Anyone here interested in a road trip to venesula let me know. WIll be leaving the 7th ot 8th from barrenqua figure stay there for about a week. I heard its mellowed out a bit. Pm me.

I look at mongering the same way I do with any business. You pay what you feel is right for the service you want. I do not send money to women nor give them any personal information for that matter. You would not expect a mechanic or waiter to ask for money to pay their rent. I treat the women with respect and am upfront on the amount and services but that is it. I believe the experience should be good for both people. I get fucked and she makes money. I usually tip if the service is good but not to build a relationship. I monger for a week at a time and banging the same woman over and over sounds too much like what I am escaping.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2739155]That is soooo true. I wonder why Colombian (and Mexican also) tech resources are so terrible. It is 2022. Nothing fucking works. Check-mig is just a Database collecting site. A high schooler could write the code. Bancolombia to Viva air to utilities to car registration to credit card systems (to do business) all are terrible. Anyone know why? Lack of talent in tech?[/QUOTE]I'm not a computer or tech guy by any means, but I suspect part of the problem, which I've haven't heard mentioned yet, is that there are issues when someone uses the "English" version of the websites. A perfect example is why the United States is often listed as "Estados Unidos" instead of the United States, with my point being, that there are probably more glitches using the translated version of the websites versus the Spanish versions.

Also on a side note, I have a Bancolombia account, and in the past have had lots of problems associated with logging in, and getting locked out, and having to contact them to get back in. However over the last few years they seem to have gotten their act together, as their online banking seems on par with my accounts in the USA. I know that may sound suspect, but that has just been my most recent experience with them. They have an App for your phone, it's not in English, and I know enough Spanish to use it on my phone, and it works great. However I recall trying to do some online banking via my computer and recall trying to do something in the English version, and there were problems. Hence I suspect there is a "translation" issue associated with all these glitches.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2739202]I look at mongering the same way I do with any business. You pay what you feel is right for the service you want. I do not send money to women nor give them any personal information for that matter. You would not expect a mechanic or waiter to ask for money to pay their rent. [/QUOTE]If your that type of monger, its unlikely that you will allow any type of personal relationship to develop w a chica. In those cicumstances, your no more likely to send money to a chica than you are to send money to a hospice in Sao Tome.

Question.

Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739223]If your that type of monger, its unlikely that you will allow any type of personal relationship to develop w a chica. In those cicumstances, your no more likely to send money to a chica than you are to send money to a hospice in Sao Tome.[/QUOTE]Well said. Both you and the OP are correct. We all have different types of interactions with different people. Some are purely transactional and some are more personal. I was at German and Austrian FKK last week. Purely transactional. I had good sex but after I paid them and a kiss on the cheek in the locker room, she did not even turn back. One girl was quite pretty and I asked her for her phone number as I really enjoyed speaking to her about life in general. She said, " why? I have no problem giving you my number but the odds are that we will never see each other again. " She reminded me that it is purely transactional.

On the other hand I have girls who I give carrer advice to, which classes to take and which ones are a waste of time or help chose her new puppies name. If she needs money, I am sending it to her. Mongering by definition means we are banging more than one girl. When I do find a gem, it is fun to repeat and get to know her intimately. Most of us here had so much sex in our lives, it is not about a climax anymore. It is about having fun and I truly enjoy finding out what turns on my companion. I am not George Clooney or Brad Pitt. For me true connection happens only with repeats but also by treating them with respect and kindness. (like the OP said).

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739255]Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.[/QUOTE]Yep. Had problems for over 1 year now. Have tried to use different cards and different accounts to no avail. So I have just been having the chick I am with order it and pay cash.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2739257]One girl was quite pretty and I asked her for her phone number as I really enjoyed speaking to her about life in general. She said, " why? I have no problem giving you my number but the odds are that we will never see each other again. " She reminded me that it is purely transactional.[/QUOTE]And she is right. Guys keep trying to turn hookers into friends. Meanwhile this is not done with anybody providing any other types of services. Nobody is on a plumbing website talking about how they had chemistry with the guy that came to install a new toilet and they keep in touch and are going to meet for drinks next week.

It is just something about sticking your dick into pussy that translate into automatic care and friendship for some guys. Good customer service does not mean you are now friends with the service provider.

Name all the dogs you want, but how many are showing up if there is not money involved? When these chicks start coming over twice each week without you having to give them money, then you have a freiend. But until then, Purely Transactional!

You should contact your credit card issuer.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739255]Question.

Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.[/QUOTE]

The country's public sector is behind in technology. I've had occasion to deal with private sector technology in Colombia and the difference is striking. Multinational companies that operate here are at international standards. I suspect the public sector problems are due to extreme technology debt, as in grossly insufficient financial investment. Ironically, over the past few years the Antioquia government has been heavily promoting the Valle de Aburra as "technology valley. " It's laughable. I know for sure the technology deficits in the financial services industry here are intentional. It's for the same reason there are so many hoops to jump through for basic financial transactions like opening a bank account or leasing an apartment. The government heavily restricts technical innovations so it can maintain the control it needs to prevent narcos taking over more of the country. Narcos have virtually unlimited financial resources but their ability to leverage them is hampered by how difficult it is to make electronic transactions. Think about the multiple questions you have to answer to pay for something with a credit card. The last time anyone asked me in North America, Europe or Asia whether my card transaction is credit or debit was during the 1990's if not longer ago. Here it's every transaction, along with whether you want to include a tip. Restaurant servers perform a ceremony in which they present the check and wait for you to study and approve it before they input the total, as if the charge can't be voided and re-entered if something is disovered later. You get used to it but it can be tiresome.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2739155]That is soooo true. I wonder why Colombian (and Mexican also) tech resources are so terrible. It is 2022. Nothing fucking works. Check-mig is just a Database collecting site. A high schooler could write the code. Bancolombia to Viva air to utilities to car registration to credit card systems (to do business) all are terrible. Anyone know why? Lack of talent in tech?[/QUOTE]

Has anyone stayed there? Is it worth the price?

I know the building is girl friendly, as long as ID is provided, but are there any restrictions or extra fees?

How is the lobby bar / restaurant? Gym?

Always wanted to check it out, but I usually visit MDE for extended periods of time, so prefer more affordable options. Next time will go down there for only a few days and want to splurge on a nicer apartment.

I agree the Bancolombia app is a big improvement over the website. The website is also now better than it used to be but I would not describe it as good. I discovered something about the Bancolombia app that I'm surprised hasn't come up for me before. I had to change my account PIN when I got a new phone. I didn't realize that app uses a mobile token. It makes sense in the context of the government's heavy emphasis on monitoring and controlling even the smallest financial transactions. We have to register our mobile phones so the app is restricted for use on one phone at a time per user.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739216]I'm not a computer or tech guy by any means, but I suspect part of the problem, which I've haven't heard mentioned yet, is that there are issues when someone uses the "English" version of the websites. A perfect example is why the United States is often listed as "Estados Unidos" instead of the United States, with my point being, that there are probably more glitches using the translated version of the websites versus the Spanish versions.

Also on a side note, I have a Bancolombia account, and in the past have had lots of problems associated with logging in, and getting locked out, and having to contact them to get back in. However over the last few years they seem to have gotten their act together, as their online banking seems on par with my accounts in the USA. I know that may sound suspect, but that has just been my most recent experience with them. They have an App for your phone, it's not in English, and I know enough Spanish to use it on my phone, and it works great. However I recall trying to do some online banking via my computer and recall trying to do something in the English version, and there were problems. Hence I suspect there is a "translation" issue associated with all these glitches.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2739016]I'm not one to defend the government but to be fair I must say checkmig is one of the better functioning government web resources. Count your blessings you don't have to deal with the tax, immigration, or bank web sites. You never know what will happen after you make a keystroke.[/QUOTE]If that's a better functioning website, I feel for the rest. It has worked for me 2 out of 8 times to come into Colombia. I just expect to show the screen that it says I have already entered my info and to argue with the check-in people at the airport.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2739282]Yep. Had problems for over 1 year now. Have tried to use different cards and different accounts to no avail. So I have just been having the chick I am with order it and pay cash.[/QUOTE]Seems it may be a situation in which Colombia based companies don't accept international credit cards online. I have tried two clothing stores and Claro. The clothing stores state upfront that international credit cards are not accepted. Claro goes through the complete transaction, but I don't receive the data package nor is my credit card charged.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2739377]Seems it may be a situation in which Colombia based companies don't accept international credit cards online. I have tried two clothing stores and Claro. The clothing stores state upfront that international credit cards are not accepted. Claro goes through the complete transaction, but I don't receive the data package nor is my credit card charged.[/QUOTE]I had the same issue online with Claro, big waste of time. I know now to just go to the store and I'm done in 5 minutes.

For the guys who post FB pics of themselves arriving in Medellin, use the FB Stories feature. There are two main advantages.

The likes you get are private to you and not shown to other people. It also expires in 24 hours. Chicas know this and are more likely to send a reaction when they can avoid advertising themselves as putas to your other friends.

You also see the chicas that view your story so you know they're active. It doesn't mean they're interested in seeing you but at least you know they're using FB actively. It can help you filter your hit list on the first few days.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2739377]Seems it may be a situation in which Colombia based companies don't accept international credit cards online. I have tried two clothing stores and Claro. The clothing stores state upfront that international credit cards are not accepted. Claro goes through the complete transaction, but I don't receive the data package nor is my credit card charged.[/QUOTE]You know one of the motives for not accepting international cards? Its bcos of chargebacks. Foreigners can raise chargebacks for the slightest problem and their banks are willing to initiate a refund for the slightest inconvenience, even when the purchaser is clearly in the wrong. As a merchant processor, I am very used to that. But Colombian card holderrs do not get the same protection and are unable to make the same chargebacks bcos VISA and MC do not offer the cardholder the same protection in Colombia. So foreign cardholders pose a much greater risk to a Colombian merchant.

Am sure there are other reasons, but this is one.

I don't think it's about chargebacks because those same companies that don't accept foreign charge cards online will accept them when they are presented in person. In my experience the larger retailers like Grupo Exito and Homecenter accept international charge cards online as well as in person. Telecommunications and utilities like Claro, Tigo, and EPM don't accept my foreign charge cards online but I have no problem using them in person. Tigo has kiosks in its locations that I use if I happen to be near one when my bill is due. Mostly I use a Colombian card to pay online. I avoid the EPM office like the plague.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2739431]You know one of the motives for not accepting international cards? Its bcos of chargebacks. Foreigners can raise chargebacks for the slightest problem and their banks are willing to initiate a refund for the slightest inconvenience, even when the purchaser is clearly in the wrong. As a merchant processor, I am very used to that. But Colombian card holderrs do not get the same protection and are unable to make the same chargebacks bcos VISA and MC do not offer the cardholder the same protection in Colombia. So foreign cardholders pose a much greater risk to a Colombian merchant.

Am sure there are other reasons, but this is one.[/QUOTE]

I have no problem with a foreign credit card on Rappi. I don't think I've ever used my Colombian cards on it. On the other hand, I had to hustle to Premium Plaza to buy concert tickets in person after the tuboleta web site rejected my foreign card over and over again. In person there was no problem paying with my foreign card. It was a pain in the neck because I had to change my plans for the so I could get the tickets before they sold out.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2739282]Yep. Had problems for over 1 year now. Have tried to use different cards and different accounts to no avail. So I have just been having the chick I am with order it and pay cash.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739255]Question.

Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.[/QUOTE]Try pay via Apple Pay or Google Pay and you don't need to register it with Rappi. I am not sure about the availability of Google Pay.

Hi guys,

So I was reading the last 25 pages in the last couple of hours and I'm trying to understand something, without much success. Maybe I should read more pages but I'm not so optimistic that I'll find my answers.

I'm reading a lot of reports about hooking up with FB girls, and I'm struggling to understand how do you guys know who to contact? And even if you do, are you using your real FB account or some fake account you've created just for this?

I really want to visit Medellin some day (and that could be as early as next month. Still trying to decide if I want Thailand or Colombia), and I'm really into meeting local girls in my hotel. Preferably for what they call in Thailand a LT session. I also have Tinder if that helps.

Any advice for a newbie like me?

Thanks 🙏.

My advice is to write the word "facebook" in the search field at the top of this page. There is a great deal of specific information and instructions. If you use the search feature it will filter out content that does not reference facebook.

[QUOTE=RomRich;2739501]Hi guys,

So I was reading the last 25 pages in the last couple of hours and I'm trying to understand something, without much success. Maybe I should read more pages but I'm not so optimistic that I'll find my answers.

I'm reading a lot of reports about hooking up with FB girls, and I'm struggling to understand how do you guys know who to contact? And even if you do, are you using your real FB account or some fake account you've created just for this?

I really want to visit Medellin some day (and that could be as early as next month. Still trying to decide if I want Thailand or Colombia), and I'm really into meeting local girls in my hotel. Preferably for what they call in Thailand a LT session. I also have Tinder if that helps..[/QUOTE]

Be advised that sort of content shows up on the facebook pages of other people in the "people you may know" category and in stories reels. Which other people? Anyone you may or may not know personally that facebook's algorithms target based on interactions with any kind of facebook or non facebook content anywhere on the Internet that you may have had in common. Facebook's tracking persists even when you are not logged in. So, for example, if you search for long term parking for your local airport that can be a bridge across which content from your "secret" facebook account finds its way to people from your home town.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2739414]For the guys who post FB pics of themselves arriving in Medellin, use the FB Stories feature. There are two main advantages.

The likes you get are private to you and not shown to other people. It also expires in 24 hours. Chicas know this and are more likely to send a reaction when they can avoid advertising themselves as putas to your other friends.

You also see the chicas that view your story so you know they're active. It doesn't mean they're interested in seeing you but at least you know they're using FB actively. It can help you filter your hit list on the first few days.[/QUOTE]

Barranquilla? At any rate, a flight would be my choice.

[QUOTE=Member#2001;2739174]Anyone here interested in a road trip to venesula let me know. WIll be leaving the 7th ot 8th from barrenqua figure stay there for about a week. I heard its mellowed out a bit. Pm me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RomRich;2739501]...
Any advice for a newbie like me?...[/QUOTE]

You can start from Reports of Distinction

[QUOTE=Nounce;2649024]Click [B]View Original Post[/B] to view post.

[B]A Super Freaky Chica. WOW.[/B]

[B]Give a man a fish, teach a man to fish.[/B]

[B]Miss Kate. Muchisimas Gracias![/B]

YMMV.

[B]The Facebook rabbithole and my first day.[/B]

[B]Facebook comments and second day.[/B][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RomRich;2739501]... Thanks 🙏.[/QUOTE]Help the next guy that comes alone if you can.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2739446]I don't think it's about chargebacks because those same companies that don't accept foreign charge cards online will accept them when they are presented in person. In my experience the larger retailers like Grupo Exito and Homecenter accept international charge cards online as well as in person. Telecommunications and utilities like Claro, Tigo, and EPM don't accept my foreign charge cards online but I have no problem using them in person. Tigo has kiosks in its locations that I use if I happen to be near one when my bill is due. Mostly I use a Colombian card to pay online. I avoid the EPM office like the plague.[/QUOTE]Perhaps when someone buys / pays for something in person there is less problems with chargebacks. There has to be a reason why people are having issues with foreign credit cards when buying online and perhaps there are merchants that just don't want to pay the fees associated with foreign credit cards. At Unidad Deportes in Belen where I swim, they have a sign up that says they will not accept Colombian EXITO charge cards to pay for services. So I wonder what's up with that, a Colombian credit card from a major retailer not accepted in Colombia? Go figure. Or perhaps the reason some credit cards are accepted and some are not is because of the fees they charge as I previously mentioned. American Express is not accepted at a lot of places because I believe they charge more than Visa or Master Card.

Regardless, and what nobody has brought up, is the use of debit cards versus credit cards. I have a USA debit card from Wells Fargo set up with Rappi and have never had an issue. And yes I get hit with like 50 cent fees when I use it, but it's an alternative that I believe will work for others.

And as far as paying for EPM bills, that can all be done online automatically if you have an account with a major Colombian bank like BanColombia. But some, which might be in your case, don't trust anybody transferring money from their bank accounts and having auto-pay set up. I personally have never had an issue either here or in the USA with autopay and don't want to mess with paying bills online.

Imagine having autopay for all your hookers!

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739255]Question.

Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.[/QUOTE]I had that problem in Jan in CTG. It was weird because my first order worked and went through and then every time I tried after that had problems with the card verification and I just gave up. I am going to give it a test run in Tijuana before my next Columbia trip.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2739414]For the guys who post FB pics of themselves arriving in Medellin, use the FB Stories feature. There are two main advantages.

The likes you get are private to you and not shown to other people. It also expires in 24 hours. Chicas know this and are more likely to send a reaction when they can avoid advertising themselves as putas to your other friends.

You also see the chicas that view your story so you know they're active. It doesn't mean they're interested in seeing you but at least you know they're using FB actively. It can help you filter your hit list on the first few days.[/QUOTE]Great advice.

[QUOTE=RomRich;2739501]I'm reading a lot of reports about hooking up with FB girls, and I'm struggling to understand how do you guys know who to contact?..[/QUOTE]You contact the chicks that look like hookers.

Well the good thing about Facebook chics, you will always have a back up.

But at one point they become relentless.

I added some a month before my trip. And after that the rest start sending request.

Most rates were 200 to 250 and I will Uber them home.

Of course you get a couple 600,000 pesos and I refuse and than block them.

Too tired to argue.

Rain sucks but I'm having good time in poblado.

Again thanks for all the info.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739663]Well the good thing about Facebook chics, you will always have a back up.

But at one point they become relentless.[/QUOTE]I only ever announced I'd arrived in Medellin once as a story on a Facebook because of how relentless some of the chicas are. I even had one randomly calling me on messenger that time. Its just too much for me at least. Even now when I just message the ones I pick to see there always seems to be one or two I have second thoughts about that bug and bug "cuando podemos vernos?"

[QUOTE=Recondite;2739677]I only ever announced I'd arrived in Medellin once as a story on a Facebook because of how relentless some of the chicas are. I even had one randomly calling me on messenger that time. Its just too much for me at least. Even now when I just message the ones I pick to see there always seems to be one or two I have second thoughts about that bug and bug "cuando podemos vernos?"[/QUOTE]I filter the ones who I am not keen on seeing by either telling them that I am running low on funds for this trip so I can only pay 150,000 total (or lower) or I hit them with a proposal that I don't think they'll go for like access to the backdoor or a happy hour.

These ladies either go radio silent or agree to my terms.

Win, win.

This is by far my favorite post of the week.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2739648]You contact the chicks that look like hookers.[/QUOTE]

I didn't want to say this directly but here it is. I think we can all agree the difference with a distinction between online purchases and in person purchases is when you use a card in person you are photographed. I've written about the government's policy of monitoring and controlling financial transactions. That is much harder to do when the purchaser is behind the cloak of the Internet. Chargeback risk is lower if the buyer can't claim they did not make the purchase because there are images of them with the card in hand. EPM online is the way to go for sure. If you don't have a Colombian bank account you can pay cash at Gana but don't ever go to the EPM office.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739610]Perhaps when someone buys / pays for something in person there is less problems with chargebacks. There has to be a reason why people are having issues with foreign credit cards when buying online and perhaps there are merchants that just don't want to pay the fees associated with foreign credit cards. At Unidad Deportes in Belen where I swim, they have a sign up that says they will not accept Colombian EXITO charge cards to pay for services. So I wonder what's up with that, a Colombian credit card from a major retailer not accepted in Colombia? Go figure. Or perhaps the reason some credit cards are accepted and some are not is because of the fees they charge as I previously mentioned. American Express is not accepted at a lot of places because I believe they charge more than Visa or Master Card.

Regardless, and what nobody has brought up, is the use of debit cards versus credit cards. I have a USA debit card from Wells Fargo set up with Rappi and have never had an issue. And yes I get hit with like 50 cent fees when I use it, but it's an alternative that I believe will work for others.

And as far as paying for EPM bills, that can all be done online automatically if you have an account with a major Colombian bank like BanColombia. But some, which might be in your case, don't trust anybody transferring money from their bank accounts and having auto-pay set up. I personally have never had an issue either here or in the USA with autopay and don't want to mess with paying bills online.

Imagine having autopay for all your hookers![/QUOTE]

ATMs. I've read on here some reports about the conversion option should be declined which really helped me save some pesos. I've added a couple photos that may help others. Most ATMs would only let me take out 600 m, but one ATM on the big street Carrera 43 A past the Parque de El Poblado park heading away from Calle 10 allowed 1,000 m pesos.

The first image is the ATM fee, say yes to this.

The second was the one warned of by the board, say decline conversion to this.

[QUOTE=RomRich;2739501]Hi guys,

So I was reading the last 25 pages in the last couple of hours and I'm trying to understand something, without much success. Maybe I should read more pages but I'm not so optimistic that I'll find my answers.

I'm reading a lot of reports about hooking up with FB girls, and I'm struggling to understand how do you guys know who to contact? And even if you do, are you using your real FB account or some fake account you've created just for this?

I really want to visit Medellin some day (and that could be as early as next month. Still trying to decide if I want Thailand or Colombia), and I'm really into meeting local girls in my hotel. Preferably for what they call in Thailand a LT session. I also have Tinder if that helps.

Any advice for a newbie like me?

Thanks 🙏.[/QUOTE]Rule #1 Pay for a membership on this site so you can get PMs. Nobody is going to radio broadcast the info you actually need.

Rule #2 Always listed to what Nounce has to tell you.

Rule #3 Listen to what Knowledge has to say. He is not called knowledge for no reason. Learn to use the "search thread" function in these threads (if you do not know what a thread is learn that first) - then do what Nounce said and use the "search thread" function to search the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread using the search term Facebook. There are literally guides to how to get into the Facebook scene in Medellin. And know one is going to keep typing that shit over and over because its already here. Links to Reports of Distinction. And thank Nounce for putting those links in there.

Rule #4 Pay for a membership so you can get PMs.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2739735]Most ATMs would only let me take out 600 m, but one ATM on the big street Carrera 43 A past the Parque de El Poblado park heading away from Calle 10 allowed 1,000 m pesos.[/QUOTE]In that same area (corner of 43A and Calle 9), there is a Davivienda bank. Most of their ATM's allow 2,000,000 withdrawal in one transaction, and there is no ATM fee. You can do more than one withdrawal.

On a Sunday night, there were very few girls. Hardly anyone seemed like a beauty. I was expecting no less than 50 because it was not raining but I didn't see more than 15. I prefer to have a look at the lady in person, have brief conversation before taking the bait so I guess the only other similar venue is centro.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2739731]...Chargeback risk is lower if the buyer can't claim they did not make the purchase because there are images of them with the card in hand.....[/QUOTE]The card company knows from the chip on the card that the card is real. They don't rely on photos which are not reliable.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2739781]In that same area (corner of 43A and Calle 9), there is a Davivienda bank. Most of their ATM's allow 2,000,000 withdrawal in one transaction, and there is no ATM fee. You can do more than one withdrawal.[/QUOTE]Great info! Thanks a bunch.

I just returned from my first Medellin trip.

I downloaded Uber and Didi and looking at both apps there, Didi won on price by a lot.

Didi was easy to use and I didn't have to wait for a driver very long.

I took one cab when I made a really bad choice and needed a ride quickly and it was the most expensive of the three.

[QUOTE=Havana927;2739255]Question.

Any one of have issues, using your card on the Rappi app, order keeps getting canceled because of verifying card crap.[/QUOTE]Yeah, and it sounds shady. We got our food just fine. Driver said order was cancelled and they and restaurant were not paid. I check it out. Charge has been made on my credit card but on line Rappi says order has been cancelled. Driver insists they have not been paid.

My gal handles it. They call multiple times. She takes screen shots, shows where we have paid ETC. People are pissed but what are you going to do? Order was like $20, If it were me, I just would have said sorry, paid in cash, and gotten the charge removed from my card. My gal is like you paid, fuck all of them.

Is this a scam by Rappi to double bill? I do not know, but something sure sounds sleazy to me.

Good advice.

The number one advice I give to people that want to go with Facebook route for chica hunting is to have two accounts and keep them both completely separate with different emails and date or birth and basic demographic data. If not for secrecy, do it for privacy. You will thank me later.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2739584]Be advised that sort of content shows up on the facebook pages of other people in the "people you may know" category and in stories reels. Which other people? Anyone you may or may not know personally that facebook's algorithms target based on interactions with any kind of facebook or non facebook content anywhere on the Internet that you may have had in common. Facebook's tracking persists even when you are not logged in. So, for example, if you search for long term parking for your local airport that can be a bridge across which content from your "secret" facebook account finds its way to people from your home town.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2739754]Rule #2 Always listen to what Nounce has to tell you.

Rule #3 Listen to what Knowledge has to say. [/QUOTE]I just saw a post where I think Nounce is contradicting Knowledge on photos and credit cards.

So your advice is a bit perplexing in this situation, as I don't know who is correct, perhaps both are correct, or perhaps neither are correct. LOL.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739921]Yeah, and it sounds shady. We got our food just fine. Driver said order was cancelled and they and restaurant were not paid. I check it out. Charge has been made on my credit card but on line Rappi says order has been cancelled. Driver insists they have not been paid.

My gal handles it. They call multiple times. She takes screen shots, shows where we have paid ETC. People are pissed but what are you going to do? Order was like $20, If it were me, I just would have said sorry, paid in cash, and gotten the charge removed from my card. My gal is like you paid, fuck all of them.

Is this a scam by Rappi to double bill? I do not know, but something sure sounds sleazy to me.[/QUOTE]I haven't had any issues like this using Rappi over the years, however something they started some months back is telling you in USD how much your going to be billed, with no explanation as to the exchange rate utilized.

So who knows what rate they are using, so now they are a money broker as well, no different than Western Union, and others.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2739851]On a Sunday night, there were very few girls. Hardly anyone seemed like a beauty. I was expecting no less than 50 because it was not raining but I didn't see more than 15. I prefer to have a look at the lady in person, have brief conversation before taking the bait so I guess the only other similar venue is centro.[/QUOTE]Sunday's typically are the slowest days there.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2739952]Good advice.

The number one advice I give to people that want to go with Facebook route for chica hunting is to have two accounts and keep them both completely separate with different emails and date or birth and basic demographic data. If not for secrecy, do it for privacy. You will thank me later.[/QUOTE]If you're trying to keep them completely separate you'll need to access the monger account only from a device which you only use for mongering, a separate phone or tablet.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739968]I haven't had any issues like this using Rappi over the years, however something they started some months back is telling you in USD how much your going to be billed, with no explanation as to the exchange rate utilized.

So who knows what rate they are using, so now they are a money broker as well, no different than Western Union, and others.[/QUOTE]You are shown the amount in pesos first, then it shows the amount in dollars. Simple math to determine the exchange rate.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2739988]You are shown the amount in pesos first, then it shows the amount in dollars. Simple math to determine the exchange rate.[/QUOTE]Ok I hadn't noticed that good to know. Next time I will determine the rate and won't be surprised if it's below the market rate.

Tuesday.

Arrived 23.30 and I only found one girl at La Isla worthy of a session, way too many skinny girls. 350 k for 40 min, everything covered. Entrance was 50 k.

Wednesday.

Loutron on the other hand had a good lineup, about 15 girls at 18.00. Mostly pretty skinny girls but a few big booty chicas as well. 350 k for 1 h everything covered. 2 girls for 1 h is 650 k. Settled on a redhead called Nicole. Perfect natural big booty with proportionate hips / thighs. Started off with a shower, massage and then sex in multiple positions.

Arrived 00.00 at Fase II, entrance 20 k, stayed for 1 h and then left.

Lineup at La Isla and Fase II was really weak compared to 4 years ago when I first visited both places.

This is correct. It is unpopular information but it is true.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2739971]If you're trying to keep them completely separate you'll need to access the monger account only from a device which you only use for mongering, a separate phone or tablet.[/QUOTE]

This hasn't happened to me yet but I will be on the look out fo rit. I only have a credit card issued by a USA bank registered in Rappi. I will take a look and see if maybe there is a setting for currency preference.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739968]I haven't had any issues like this using Rappi over the years, however something they started some months back is telling you in USD how much your going to be billed, with no explanation as to the exchange rate utilized.

So who knows what rate they are using, so now they are a money broker as well, no different than Western Union, and others.[/QUOTE]

Apologies for being unclear. By "photos' or "images" I was referring to images of the cardholder making the purchase so there can't be a later claim that the purchase was made by an unauthorized party or not made at all. I think we are making the same point. The chip cannot of course be read when a card is used to make an online purchase.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2739863]The card company knows from the chip on the card that the card is real. They don't rely on photos which are not reliable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2739735]ATMs. I've read on here some reports about the conversion option should be declined which really helped me save some pesos. I've added a couple photos that may help others. Most ATMs would only let me take out 600 m, but one ATM on the big street Carrera 43 A past the Parque de El Poblado park heading away from Calle 10 allowed 1,000 m pesos.

The first image is the ATM fee, say yes to this.

The second was the one warned of by the board, say decline conversion to this.[/QUOTE]Standard procedure, always decline the conversion because you're getting ripped off.

A few banks ATM (Cajeros) are free.

Banco Caja Social (there's one in the middle of Parque Lleras), Davivienda, BBVA and Colpatria are fee free (at least the last time I used one, which was May).

I avoid Bancolombia ATMs as they've a 14,000 COP fee and you can only withdraw 400,000 at a time, Banco Caja Social is free and allows 700,000 per pull.

Last time I was in Medellin I had the same issues as OP described with Rappi. It wouldn't accept any of my cards.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739968]I haven't had any issues like this using Rappi over the years, however something they started some months back is telling you in USD how much your going to be billed, with no explanation as to the exchange rate utilized.
[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2739966]I just saw a post where I think Nounce is contradicting Knowledge on photos and credit cards.

So your advice is a bit perplexing in this situation, as I don't know who is correct, perhaps both are correct, or perhaps neither are correct. LOL.[/QUOTE] I just filled in additional detail that does not really change what Knowledge said.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739921]Yeah, and it sounds shady. We got our food just fine. Driver said order was cancelled and they and restaurant were not paid. I check it out. Charge has been made on my credit card but on line Rappi says order has been cancelled. Driver insists they have not been paid.

My gal handles it. They call multiple times. She takes screen shots, shows where we have paid ETC. People are pissed but what are you going to do? Order was like $20, If it were me, I just would have said sorry, paid in cash, and gotten the charge removed from my card. My gal is like you paid, fuck all of them.

Is this a scam by Rappi to double bill? I do not know, but something sure sounds sleazy to me.[/QUOTE]I can't figure you out. You used to kvetch about how the taxis were always ripping you off, now its Rappi. I lived here through the pandemic and Rappi was pretty much the go-to way of getting food back then and I've never had an issue. Of course, when in Colombia do like the Colombians. I always paid in cash upon delivery. I know it is a novel concept but that is what most Colombians do (the ones that use Rappi that is). How is it that trouble always seems to find you, Elvis?

Needless to mention. There are alternatives. Ifood, Uber-Eats and probably a lot of others too.

Is this a place or an area?

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2740102]Is this a place or an area?[/QUOTE]"A point on the earths surface directly above or below an exploding nuclear bomb" LOL.

I was expecting at least 100 girls at centro on a Monday morning but there were very few. Things picked up a bit later on but still no where close to what I had seen in the past. Plaza botero was very quite but otherwise swarming with camera happy tourists.

Even New Life and Zandalay were dismal in terms of quality and quantity. I have seen much better quality in the past. Girls are now insisting on propina of 50 K for besos, novia experience etc. Damn inflation.

Other than botero plaza, where else can one find girls in centro?

My new buddy and I are retired 70-plus Americans and have both lived in Medellin several years. We are mostly active during daylight hours, but last Wednesday we checked out two nightclubs on Avenida 33.

First was Gisell Barra Dance at CL 33 # 76-30. We arrived at 7 before they opened at 8 because of faulty Internet information. We were invited in anyway and served Coronas for 20 mil. We weren't charged a cover.

The L-shaped bar separates the room into customer space and chica space. Initially there were three girls, then others drifted in till maybe six were in costume by 9. Neither of us were impressed by the selection. We were assured more would arrive.

When we left at 9, we were still the only customers. We were quoted prices of 150 mil for 15 minutes alone with a girl and 400 mil an hour.

We taxied to Luna Lunera Club at CL 33 # 63 B-215. Cover was 15 mil and all drinks were apparently 25 mil. We had several beers and bought drinks for two hotties who joined us.

This club was bigger and much livelier. Another table of customers was partying and other customers were arriving. We watched several women strip on small stages and then circulate for tips. Music was good and loud at both bars.

My buddy was quoted prices of 150 mil for half-hour and 300 mil for hour. Neither of us chose to partake this night. We did try to get phone numbers.

We took taxis home at 11:30. Luna Lunera is open 24 hours and Gisell from 8 pm to 4 am.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2739921]Yeah, and it sounds shady. We got our food just fine. Driver said order was cancelled and they and restaurant were not paid. I check it out. Charge has been made on my credit card but on line Rappi says order has been cancelled. Driver insists they have not been paid.

My gal handles it. They call multiple times. She takes screen shots, shows where we have paid ETC. People are pissed but what are you going to do? Order was like $20, If it were me, I just would have said sorry, paid in cash, and gotten the charge removed from my card. My gal is like you paid, fuck all of them.

Is this a scam by Rappi to double bill? I do not know, but something sure sounds sleazy to me.[/QUOTE]You got your food and your card was charged? At that point any issue is between the driver and Rappi. Period. Why did you or your girl need to get involved?

Rappi is probably not running a scam to double bill people. Their business is booming. Committing widespread fraud doesn't sound like a sustainable business model. Colombian companies not able to authorize credit card transactions for US cards is fairly common. I've encountered it several times with different companies.

It's true that a high percentage of locals pay Rappi and most other bills in cash. Uber Eats has not operated in Colombia for a year or so.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2740078]I can't figure you out. You used to kvetch about how the taxis were always ripping you off, now its Rappi. I lived here through the pandemic and Rappi was pretty much the go-to way of getting food back then and I've never had an issue. Of course, when in Colombia do like the Colombians. I always paid in cash upon delivery. I know it is a novel concept but that is what most Colombians do (the ones that use Rappi that is). How is it that trouble always seems to find you, Elvis?

Needless to mention. There are alternatives. Ifood, Uber-Eats and probably a lot of others too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2740102]Is this a place or an area?[/QUOTE]It's an area, ground zero is referred to el Centro more specifically area surrounding Botero Plaza because a lot of things happen here.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2740102]Is this a place or an area?[/QUOTE]It refers to the location shown in the image.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2740016]Tuesday.

Arrived 23.30 and I only found one girl at La Isla worthy of a session, way too many skinny girls. 350 k for 40 min, everything covered. Entrance was 50 k.

Wednesday.

Loutron on the other hand had a good lineup, about 15 girls at 18.00. Mostly pretty skinny girls but a few big booty chicas as well. 350 k for 1 h everything covered. 2 girls for 1 h is 650 k. Settled on a redhead called Nicole. Perfect natural big booty with proportionate hips / thighs. Started off with a shower, massage and then sex in multiple positions.

Arrived 00.00 at Fase II, entrance 20 k, stayed for 1 h and then left.

Lineup at La isla and Fase II was really weak compared to 4 years ago when I first visited both places.[/QUOTE]I haven't been in forever but I keep hearing that the "premium" places are starting to slip in quality.

My guess is that truly cream of the crop are exclusively doing OnlyFans or similar "I show my tits and you send me money" type sites.

If you can get horny guys in the Middle East and Asia to send you 17,000,000 pesos per month for simply playing with yourself on a laptop camera then why the hell would you drag yourself out to dance on some stage or sit in some room in a Mansion waiting for random guys to show up and bang you?

First, I want to thank you gentlemen for answering questions so quickly. Trip will be in November and would be happy to buy any of you a drink. Now, how do you ask for anal sex in spanish. I always managed to get the idea across but each time the girl used a different term and my spanish is mediocre at best.

My new buddy and I are retired 70-plus Americans and have both lived in Medellin several years. We are mostly active during daylight hours, but last Wednesday we checked out two nightclubs on Avenida 33.

First was Gisell Barra Dance at CL 33 # 76-30. We arrived at 7 before they opened at 8 because of faulty Internet information. We were invited in anyway and served Coronas for 20 mil. We weren't charged a cover.

The L-shaped bar separates the room into customer space and chica space. Initially there were three girls, then others drifted in till maybe six were in costume by 9. Neither of us were impressed by the selection. We were assured more would arrive.

When we left at 9, we were still the only customers. We were quoted prices of 150 mil for 15 minutes alone with a girl and 400 mil an hour.

We taxied to Luna Lunera Club at CL 33 # 63 B-215. Cover was 15 mil and all drinks were apparently 25 mil. We had several beers and bought drinks for two hotties who joined us.

This club was bigger and much livelier. Another table of customers was partying, at least 15 women were present and other customers were arriving. We watched several women strip on small stages and then circulate for tips. Music was good and loud at both bars.

My buddy was quoted prices of 150 mil for half-hour and 300 mil for hour. Neither of us chose to partake this night. We did try to get phone numbers.

We took taxis home at 11:30. Luna Lunera is open 24 hours and Gisell from 8 pm to 4 am.

I made my first trip to Medellin a couple weeks ago and this was the first time I had to use the CheckMig website. It's a disaster. I don't know if it was coded by a local middleschool club or something but I recommend people allocate a lot of time to actually get it to work. I read online to just keep trying and after hours of trying I was able to get it for my trip entering Colombia. On the way back I tried a dozen times and then gave up and took screenshots of the error message. I thought I would have to argue with the Immigration office but no one said anything and there was no issue. I don't know if this will happen with everyone but in the future I'll only try a couple times when leaving.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2740127]Colombian companies not able to authorize credit card transactions for US cards is fairly common. I've encountered it several times with different companies.[/QUOTE]But in my experience it is on Colombia's end with Rappi because I have called the card companies after being denied and they said there was not even a transaction attempted. This place is just shitty with technology. Same as guys saying checking not working correctly and same as the Bancolombia ATM not spitting out the 600,000 that they charged me for.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2740216]My guess is that truly cream of the crop are exclusively doing OnlyFans or similar "I show my tits and you send me money" type sites.[/QUOTE]Who has to show tits these days? Women are becoming millionaires for showing feet, farting in jars, sending used pantyhose, and even just eating in front of a camera.

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2740315]the CheckMig website. It's a disaster. I don't know if it was coded by a local middleschool club or something but I recommend people allocate a lot of time to actually get it to work. I read online to just keep trying and after hours of trying I was able to get it for my trip entering Colombia. On the way back I tried a dozen times and then gave up and took screenshots of the error message.[/QUOTE]Folks have frequently reported problems with the website. I use the app on my phone and have never had a problem.

It turns out that one of our brothers is the Colombian senator Alex Florez. Unfortunately for him, he is now well known for his hobby. A provider came forward in the press to confirm the she and the senator met at the infamous Cartagena clocktower. She also confirmed she is 19 years old going on 20. This was helpful to the senator because there had been unconfirmed reports the provider might not have been of legal age. The story would have faded from the headlines by now if the senator had followed our guidelines, but he did not.

Very unwisely, and in highly drunken state, the senator proceeded to verbally abuse and threaten the staff of his upscale hotel when they denied the girl entry because she was not able to present a cedula. Apologies and a few banknotes might have facilitated a happy ending for the senator if he had slowed his roll at that point, but he did not. The hotel staff summoned the police because they judged the senator to be out of control. When the police arrived, the senator directed his anger and abusive language toward them (see the video link [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_0rRuPDbmw[/URL]). When you see the video you may decide I understated how inebriated the senator was; his eyes are glowing in the reflected light of the camera. He now has to respond to the formal sanction of a prosecutor. A relatively young man, I'm not sure he will be able to apologize his way back into a viable career. His behavior is a textbook example of what we must not do.

[URL]https://www.eltiempo.com/justicia/investigacion/procuraduria-indagara-a-alex-florez-por-escandalo-en-cartagena-con-policia-699493[/URL]

The Colombian expression is uncharacteristically direct: "anal" or "sexo anal. " I hope you enjoy your visit.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2740244]First, I want to thank you gentlemen for answering questions so quickly. Trip will be in November and would be happy to buy any of you a drink. Now, how do you ask for anal sex in spanish. I always managed to get the idea across but each time the girl used a different term and my spanish is mediocre at best.[/QUOTE]

Yo yo.

Been on a solid RTFF run. Initially I though 75 pages gave me enough knowledge to hit the ground running but I now see how much more I've come across after 250 pages. Like rating ladies, desired ways to monger are super subjective so I've taken things with a grain of salt, but I'm still most excited about the street scene, specifically ground zero. You guys are pretty hilarious, quite a few legends amongst y'all. Going to get a subscription at the very least to support the site, and best case scenario I link up with a fellow gent or two.

One thing I'm curious about that doesn't seem to be talked about often (at least to make my understanding definitive), in an el centro pick up, is it standard to pay before the deed (once you reach the room) or after the deed is done? Or does it just vary from monger to Chica? I know in the states, certain cities like Baltimore is pay after always, where as in other cities it's usually before. Brazil I remember was after in TLN situations (back in the discote, Costa Rica board stressed pay after (if I remember correctly).

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2740315]I made my first trip to Medellin a couple weeks ago and this was the first time I had to use the CheckMig website. It's a disaster.[/QUOTE]I have used the site 21 times (11 trips) since Colombia re-opened from Covid-19. I haven't had a problem any of those times. I use a computer instead of a smart phone, so that may be the reason. There are a couple of minor glitches. They use the Spanish name for the United States, and Orlando is not in the dropdown selection for the origination city. I select Florida, which is in the list, as the city and everything goes smoothly.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2740216]I haven't been in forever but I keep hearing that the "premium" places are starting to slip in quality.

My guess is that truly cream of the crop are exclusively doing OnlyFans or similar "I show my tits and you send me money" type sites.

If you can get horny guys in the Middle East and Asia to send you 17,000,000 pesos per month for simply playing with yourself on a laptop camera then why the hell would you drag yourself out to dance on some stage or sit in some room in a Mansion waiting for random guys to show up and bang you?[/QUOTE]I thought I was in the twilight zone. The girls working at Hooters (parque Lleras) looked 1000 x hotter than the working girls.

You're right, must be the webcam / Onlyfans scene getting all the hot talent. Easy money, can't blame them, but man does it suck.

I don't use it quite as often. I remember the site was out of order and unavailable via desktop browser or smartphone maybe a year or so ago. Generally I find the user interface counterintuitive but I always manage to get my trip registered in the end.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2740380]I have used the site 21 times (11 trips) since Colombia re-opened from Covid-19. I haven't had a problem any of those times. I use a computer instead of a smart phone, so that may be the reason. There are a couple of minor glitches. They use the Spanish name for the United States, and Orlando is not in the dropdown selection for the origination city. I select Florida, which is in the list, as the city and everything goes smoothly.[/QUOTE]

Only eight months ago I bought chewable sildenafil for little more than regular type, 2000 mil vs 1200 mil. But now two 50 MG tablets of chewables cost 4300 mil compared to 1400 mil for two regulars. These prices are from best discount drugstore downtown, Drogas Calidad. Other stores and online often quote prices of 6200 mil or higher. What's going on? Is this true other places as well?

Hey,

I just went to the green pharmacy AR La 70 and they couldn't get me Truvada.

Does anyone knows where I can ask now?

I'm kinda desperate.

Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2740443]Hey,
I just went to the green pharmacy AR La 70 and they couldn't get me Truvada.
Does anyone knows where I can ask now?
I'm kinda desperate.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]After a broken condom, I tried to get some and was denied in all four places I tried. I think you may need to get it back at the states. Hope you had better luck than I did.

[QUOTE=WeeDonk;2740373]One thing I'm curious about that doesn't seem to be talked about often (at least to make my understanding definitive), in an el centro pick up, is it standard to pay before the deed (once you reach the room) or after the deed is done? Or does it just vary from monger to Chica? I know in the states, certain cities like Baltimore is pay after always, where as in other cities it's usually before. Brazil I remember was after in TLN situations (back in the discote, Costa Rica board stressed pay after (if I remember correctly).[/QUOTE]For Centro there are no rules or norms, regardless, it's always best to pay afterwards.

But to insure this, and to avoid any mis-understandings, just tell the Chica that you always pay afterwards before entering the Love Motel.

If she balks, then walk.

Major red flag.

Have you tried rappi?

[QUOTE=Benzeru;2740443]Hey,

I just went to the green pharmacy AR La 70 and they couldn't get me Truvada.

Does anyone knows where I can ask now?

I'm kinda desperate.

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2739971]If you're trying to keep them completely separate you'll need to access the monger account only from a device which you only use for mongering, a separate phone or tablet.[/QUOTE]Yes of course. Good point.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2740127]You got your food and your card was charged? At that point any issue is between the driver and Rappi. Period. Why did you or your girl need to get involved?

Rappi is probably not running a scam to double bill people. Their business is booming. Committing widespread fraud doesn't sound like a sustainable business model. Colombian companies not able to authorize credit card transactions for US cards is fairly common. I've encountered it several times with different companies.[/QUOTE]I also understandably reacted like you the first time it happened to me. It is, I belive a glitch in the system and not a scam but Rappi needs to fix it.

The card we have there is good so it gets accepted and the store prepares food and the driver picks it up. Then he get a message that card is declined and he needs to collect cash. If he does not show up with cash, he gets charged. This happened to me at least two times in the last trip. Both times I ended up paying cash to the driver. The orders are large and driver is clearly panicking. He showed me message on his phone that says efectivo to be collected.

Turns out, both times my card was later refunded. My CC app sends a notification that a charge is made so we assume that it was paid. For some stupid ass reason Colombian bank denies at and ir stays in pending status and never actually got paid. Ir took two days for the "pending " status to disappear on my CC app. So of this happens to you, instead of getting your BP up in the middle of the night, take a photo of the drivers app, pay him cash and call your CC next morning, after a few sessions. The OP's story was almost identical to mine. My girl was going nuts. I had to calm her down.

So when incompetence can explain it, why suspect conspiracy? (I am paraphrasing one of my favorite quotes).

Finally a review about girls. Good Intel. Thank you.

BTW, it seems like "stripclubs" are dying a slow death all over the world. I used to and still enjoy the vibe of a club. Too bad.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2740016]Tuesday.

Arrived 23.30 and I only found one girl at La Isla worthy of a session, way too many skinny girls. 350 k for 40 min, everything covered. Entrance was 50 k.

Wednesday.

Loutron on the other hand had a good lineup, about 15 girls at 18.00. Mostly pretty skinny girls but a few big booty chicas as well. 350 k for 1 h everything covered. 2 girls for 1 h is 650 k. Settled on a redhead called Nicole. Perfect natural big booty with proportionate hips / thighs. Started off with a shower, massage and then sex in multiple positions.

Arrived 00.00 at Fase II, entrance 20 k, stayed for 1 h and then left.

Lineup at La isla and Fase II was really weak compared to 4 years ago when I first visited both places.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2740420]Only eight months ago I bought chewable sildenafil for little more than regular type, 2000 mil vs 1200 mil. [/QUOTE]You should drop "mil" when you write the complete amount in numbers. If you offer a chica 150,000 mil, she will think she has hit the jackpot and will get paid 150,000,000. If you want to designate pesos, use COP after the number.

I have been reading the reviews at catadora Colombia. They are pretty extensive, along with addresses and numbers. Anyone tried them?

[QUOTE=Tomcat88;2740420]Only eight months ago I bought chewable sildenafil for little more than regular type, 2000 mil vs 1200 mil. But now two 50 MG tablets of chewables cost 4300 mil compared to 1400 mil for two regulars. These prices are from best discount drugstore downtown, Drogas Calidad. Other stores and online often quote prices of 6200 mil or higher. What's going on? Is this true other places as well?[/QUOTE]You seen any news the past year? Inflation lmao. It's 50 cents more who cares.

Even the casas are going up, natalia is now a whopping 60 for hh instead of 55, which was previously 50.

To the rappi posts, I had the same problem, just message support non stop and they will call you on your colombian sim and you can verify manually.

But yea casas lineups haven't been great, the girls seem too seasoned too. Not sure why.

Ground zero has been great, the repeat sessions are key once you found some girls you like. Have a nice rotation of 3-4 girls now that do DFK and BBBJ for 40 k +7 k pieza.

It's a Spanish language review site for locals a lot like this site. I've cross referenced phone numbers and ads on milerotica and photoprepagos with reviews there. I found the reviews to be very useful when I was looking for PSE providers.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2740805]I have been reading the reviews at catadora Colombia. They are pretty extensive, along with addresses and numbers. Anyone tried them?[/QUOTE]

Catador is #1 and Don Colombia is #2, they are similar to this website minus the high volume of off topic content here. Catador recently started an English language forum within the site. I haven't seen it but this thread is reminding I meant to take a look. The main site uses an organized format for reviews with rating categories for personal hygiene and physical attributes. As Recondite correctly pointed out, there is more content on it about apartments and online providers than there is about casas or street girls.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2740866]It's a Spanish language review site for locals a lot like this site. I've cross referenced phone numbers and ads on milerotica and photoprepagos with reviews there. I found the reviews to be very useful when I was looking for PSE providers.[/QUOTE]

As mentioned previously, the casa service hasn't been spectacular as it usually is.

I've been to 5 casas this week, and every time there has been a few big black American dudes hanging out, drinking, and they're good guys don't get me wrong, I talked to a couple.

Along with a couple of backpacker hippie European guys.

But I mention this for two reasons:

1) the casa girls are used to gringos, there's no gringo charm or dollar signs, they just figure you'll be gone in a week, and they're sick of talking with a translator or broken Spanish (the girls words, "que pereza".

2) Colombian girls aren't used to the Big black c*ck hahaha! They get all tired out.

So yea I went to zandlay yesterday and went with Paola, the white thick vennie who has always been great, but this time she was a dead fish. I could barely stay hard, she was like a corpse.

I asked why she was so timida, and she said I was her 5th client that day.

Oof.

The girls are human, I get it, and it's only 50 k ($12) down the drain. No big deal.

So I went back out and asked the sexy mamasan (the blonde one, I wish she worked too) who the girls were that didn't work yet today.

She brought out 3 girls, I got Sofia the lightskin girl that has a fitness model body, and had a great session.

So yea, ask for the girls that haven't worked yet. They'll be happy they're getting some money and get more turned on. This is a johnny walker original.

Side note, I saw an American dude around 70 years old, mustache and glasses, carrying a tinto, walking with another older guy, around ground zero yesterday on the clear walkway.

Was that anyone here? If so, I'll introduce myself next time. Hahah.

Happy mongering.

Jw.

Hello all,

Heading to Medellin on Sunday and I got a lot of good information from this group. A lot of great contributors and too many to list but thank you all and I definitely owe a couple people a drink.

I went the facbook route, hoping to meet some non-pros and semi-pros, and I have a couple girls lined up for next week.

Would also appreciate if anyone could share some confirmed FB leads as all mine are hypothetical.

Also I'll be in Medellin for a month so if anyone wants to connect, just send me a PM.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2740937]So yea I went to zandlay yesterday
So I went back out and asked the sexy mamasan (the blonde one, I wish she worked too)[/QUOTE]Yeah I tried my damndest when me and TK were in there but she was not going for it.

[QUOTE=MaxKane;2740041]Standard procedure, always decline the conversion because you're getting ripped off.

A few banks ATM (Cajeros) are free.

Banco Caja Social (there's one in the middle of Parque Lleras), Davivienda, BBVA and Colpatria are fee free (at least the last time I used one, which was May).

I avoid Bancolombia ATMs as they've a 14,000 COP fee and you can only withdraw 400,000 at a time, Banco Caja Social is free and allows 700,000 per pull.[/QUOTE]Davivienda, Caja Social, and BBVA are fee free, I've never used colpatria before so I wouldn't know. However you're off a little bit on your info bro, Bancolombia charges a fee of 22 k COP per transaction and they let you pull more than 400 k, I can't remember how much I want to say 900 k maybe, but I hardly ever use them so I don't remember but it's definitely more than 400 k. Also, at Caja Social the limit is only 300 k COP per transaction and BBVA is also 300k per transaction. Davivienda has the highest limits of any Atms.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2740937]As mentioned previously, the casa service hasn't been spectacular as it usually is.

I've been to 5 casas this week, and everytime there has been a few big black american dudes hanging out, drinking, and they're good guys don't get me wrong, I talked to a couple.

Along with a couple of backpacker hippie European guys.

But I mention this for two reasons:

1) the casa girls are used to gringos, there's no gringo charm or dollar signs, they just figure you'll be gone in a week, and they're sick of talking with a translator or broken Spanish (the girls words, "que pereza".

2) Colombian girls aren't used to the Big black see*ck hahaha! They get all tired out.

So yea I went to zandlay yesterday and went with paola, the white thick vennie who has always been great, but this time she was a dead fish. I could barely stay hard, she was like a corpse.

I asked why she was so timida, and she said I was her 5th client that day..[/QUOTE]You are so damn right and have described my experience as well. I too have noticed the same issues at Casas, looks and performance have been hit quite a bit lately. The rates are still pretty cheap, New Life is 60 for media hora now but it has become impossible to find decent looking girls. And the girls are tired. Too many clients I think. Translator is no fun. On two separate occasions, I had to go for 2 girls back to back because the performances were lack luster.

Zand and New Life have been quite poor in terms of quality.

I really liked your idea of picking up girls that have not had a session so far. A pretty good technique.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2741010]Bancolombia charges a fee of 22 k COP per transaction and they let you pull more than 400 k, I can't remember how much I want to say 900 k maybe, but I hardly ever use them so I don't remember but it's definitely more than 400 k. A[/QUOTE]Yep - 22 k fee and 600 k limit.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2740937]she said I was her 5th client that day..[/QUOTE]What time did you visit?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2741010]Davivienda, Caja Social, and BBVA are fee free [/QUOTE]As other reviewer have mentioned, BBVA now charges 15 mil per transaction for cash withdrawals. Upper limit is still 300 mil. Just heads up.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2741010]Bancolombia charges a fee of 22 k COP per transaction and they let you pull more than 400 k, I can't remember how much I want to say 900 k maybe.[/QUOTE]600 K because that was exactly how much they tried to steal from me.

I went to Davivienda on LA 70 this morning and withdrew money from the ATM. All money was 100 mil notes. I went inside the bank to exchange the 100's. They would only exchange 500 mil, and they gave me all 50 mil notes. It is difficult enough for merchants to accept 50 mil, almost impossible for taxis. I never imagined I would have problems spending money, but it's happening.

[QUOTE=ShadowGuy22;2740978]Hello all,

Heading to Medellin on Sunday and I got a lot of good information from this group. A lot of great contributors and too many to list but thank you all and I definitely owe a couple people a drink.

I went the facbook route, hoping to meet some non-pros and semi-pros, and I have a couple girls lined up for next week.

Would also appreciate if anyone could share some confirmed FB leads as all mine are hypothetical.

Also I'll be in Medellin for a month so if anyone wants to connect, just send me a PM.[/QUOTE]I found many of my FB leads SWing near the Park Ileras and giving me the same prices. So for me, FB has not been non-pros or semi-pros. My source of FB leads began with someone else's FB friend list. YMMV.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2741204]I went to Davivienda on LA 70 this morning and withdrew money from the ATM. All money was 100 mil notes. I went inside the bank to exchange the 100's. They would only exchange 500 mil, and they gave me all 50 mil notes. It is difficult enough for merchants to accept 50 mil, almost impossible for taxis. I never imagined I would have problems spending money, but it's happening.[/QUOTE]Go to your more successful cash businesses like billiard spots and bars, or go to New Life and buy a session. A little common sense goes a long ways.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2741167]What time did you visit?[/QUOTE]Like 6:15, paola is probably the most popular girl there and is usually booked all day, I figured I was lucky to get her but alas.

Sessioned with a regular today, samantha from dulce compania. Classic sexy paisa look.

She's a pro, been there for a year at least, recommend.

And funlovr, go to the casinos in centro and they will give you change. That's my go to. Just act like you're ready to gamble and go to the money window.

I usually give them 300 k in 50 k notes and ask for 20 k notes back, or 10 k if possible.

No problem. Also on the ATM discussion, I have found colpatria / scotiabank to be the best. There is an ATM right next to parque berrio. 900 k at a time and good conversion rate.

All,

I will be in Medellin from Sept 27 to October 2 (5 Days). Short, but looking to tick a couple boxes. This announcement is to see if anyone is interested in either or both of these two things:

- Lunch.

** I've met other mongers in Medellin on previous trips and had lunch with them. There is a good steak place on Carrera 70 that I would recommend and would be open to meeting and eating at another recommendation.

** Would aim to have a handshake, trade stories, and tips on locations of girls as we all have our habits that we prefer.

- Provenza.

** I've gone solo through Provenza and never stopped for a sit and a beer there. The place looks too damn nice, too social to keep passing up, but I do not want to do that solo. Provenza does not emit the vibe to easily allow for a solo gringo to sit at a table by himself with a beer, so looking for a wingman to simply chill with.

That's it. If anyone is up for one or both, message me.

As for me, I'm exceptionally normal. No anxiety issues, no prescriptions, no drugs. Just a beer and occasional cigarette from the street vendors.

There are definitely nonpros and semipros on Facebook. It's a social networking site that normal people use to socialize with friends and family. That's why I like Facebook and have never tried Seeking Arangements or Colombian Cupid. Your luck on Facebook will depend on how interested normal Colombian girls are on friending you or responding to your friend requests. That's going to be based on the quality of your profile, including your own photos, looks etc, as well as some time. Only prepagos, and maybe not even all of them, are going to friend you if you don't have your own photos on your profile. You also generate more interest with regular stories and posts. I like the stories feature as likes are private and the posts delete themselves after 24 hours. More normal girls will want to be your friend if you are relatively handsome, have interesting photos just like on dating apps and social media in the US or Europe. That being said, I think you don't need to be nearly as handsome, interesting etc, in Colombia as you would in the US or Europe to generate a good deal of interest. I've had some luck using Facebook for dating nonpros and semipros in Medellin as I've written about in some of my previous posts. I've also mentioned some of the signs I look for to identify a nonpro profile on Facebook.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2741245]I found many of my FB leads SWing near the Park Ileras and giving me the same prices. So for me, FB has not been non-pros or semi-pros. My source of FB leads began with someone else's FB friend list. YMMV.[/QUOTE]

I wanted to get advice on the mileroticos chicks. I message them on whatsapp and they have apartments. I am worried of getting drugged if I go to their place. I was thinking to rent a hotel and tell them to come to me. Another option is having them come to my airbnb but I don't think that's a good idea in terms of safety. Or should I go to their apartment? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2741170]As other reviewer have mentioned, BBVA now charges 15 mil per transaction for cash withdrawals. Upper limit is still 300 mil. Just heads up.[/QUOTE]Not true, I just used BBVA recently it says esta transaccion tiene un costo de $.0.00 on the bottom of the screen. Do I need to go use them agn and take a picture for you? And by recently I mean like 3 days ago.

However I have a suspicion that this could vary depending on what bank you use and if they have an agreement with BBVA or not. I use Capital One, what's in your wallet? LOL.

I'm in Medellin now, but flying of to Cartagena for 3 nights. I don't need to bring all my stuff with me. Is there any sort of short term temporary storage service? I was thinking about just grabbing something cheap off of airbnb.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2741517]I'm in Medellin now, but flying of to Cartagena for 3 nights. I don't need to bring all my stuff with me. Is there any sort of short term temporary storage service? I was thinking about just grabbing something cheap off of airbnb.[/QUOTE]If you're staying in a hotel or will be afterwards I'd inquire there. I've had the Marriott and Sheraton hold pieces of luggage (nothing too expensive, just clothes and toiletries) for weeks at a time.

[QUOTE=Gandi718;2741501]I wanted to get advice on the mileroticos chicks. I message them on whatsapp and they have apartments. I am worried of getting drugged if I go to their place. I was thinking to rent a hotel and tell them to come to me. Another option is having them come to my airbnb but I don't think that's a good idea in terms of safety. Or should I go to their apartment? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I went to see one in her Laureles apartment and one came to my hotel room. It was fine both times, but I recommend having a Whatsapp call with them. Both of them looked different than their pics on the site.

[QUOTE=Gandi718;2741501]I wanted to get advice on the mileroticos chicks. I message them on whatsapp and they have apartments. I am worried of getting drugged if I go to their place. I was thinking to rent a hotel and tell them to come to me. Another option is having them come to my airbnb but I don't think that's a good idea in terms of safety. Or should I go to their apartment? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]You are totally over thinking the situation. The chicas make a living by providing a service at their apartment. If they were robbing and/or drugging people there, the word would get out and they would no longer be making a living. Hundreds of people a week go to the apartments and I haven't heard of anyone being harmed. If you pick up a chica from the Park Lleras area, you will be rolling the dice on your safety because you won't know anything about that chica. You will have an address and an image of the chica in an apartment so you will have some recourse if something goes wrong.

Public parking lots will store luggage for you at a very low daily cost. As another poster advised, you should not entrust valuables to unknown parties.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2741535]If you're staying in a hotel or will be afterwards I'd inquire there. I've had the Marriott and Sheraton hold pieces of luggage (nothing too expensive, just clothes and toiletries) for weeks at a time.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2740682]I also understandably reacted like you the first time it happened to me. It is, I belive a glitch in the system and not a scam but Rappi needs to fix it.
[/QUOTE]Yeah, that is what I think now too. Drivers quit calling my gal and bugging her so it seems like they got paid. CC was still charged. Still, Rappi has issues.

A 1. 3 out of 5 rating. [URL]https://www.trustpilot.com/review/rappi.com[/URL].

Unhappy drivers burning their backpacks in front of corporate offices. [URL]https://contxto.com/en/colombia/deliverers-protest-in-front-of-rappis-headquarters/[/URL].

They have a good market cap but Rappi is not making any money [URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-delivery-app-rappi-is-not-as-profitable-as-it-seems/[/URL].

And here is my personal favorite. [URL]https://restofworld.org/2021/rappi-unicorn-faces-competition/[/URL].

As far back as 2018, the Superintendence of Industry and Commerce (SIC), Colombia's consumer protection watchdog, revealed that Rappi had received more than 631,449 complaints and refund claims over the course of seven months. This amounted to around 2% of all orders made during that period. As far back as 2018, the Superintendence of Industry and Commerce (SIC), Colombia's consumer protection watchdog, revealed that Rappi had received more than 631,449 complaints and refund claims over the course of seven months. This amounted to around 2% of all orders made during that period. SIC ultimately slapped the maximum fine possible on Rappi: around half a million dollars the equivalent of three days' 2019 revenue.

But Viliany the V has not had any problems with Rappi so that cannot be true. He and JJBee (and Pile on Pauline before they had a falling out) love to pile on people with their supposed superior "knowledge" of Colombia but really they are doing what they always do, humping the powers that be. Colombia is great. Fauci is great. Rappi is great. And then they think that the TPTB will give them special privileges when of course TPTB have no clue who the fuck they are. It is narcissistic delusion.

With taxis, my gal handles paying for it, and I have seen a dozen times cab drivers tried to fuck her over. They will ask for 20 k and she will say 10 k, give it to them, and tell me let's go. My impression is being ripped off by a cabbie is a way of life there.

That said, my favorite part of Colombia is the people and their families. They really support each other, and they work as hard or harder than other places. Thing is they would be much wealthier if they had better government and not so many shitty business practices.

In Cartagena this time, the roads were flooded, and they were horrible. When one of my gal's relatives asked how I liked Colombia, I said I love it and my favorite part was how cheap the pools were. You just get two orange pylons, a hose, and find yourself an average pot hole to fill with water, and you can dive in. They burst out laughing.

Truth is I had a long connection in Fort Lauderdale and rented a car and was driving around when it was raining. There were not these huge puddles on the streets where your car is 2 or 3 feet submerged like Colombia. My gal's daughter sees stuff like that and so do her friends, and they want to move out. So Colombia looks to be losing their best and brightest.

So yeah, crummy roads, shady cabbies, and horrible government is the norm not just when I go but for Colombians. Yeah, Rappi is this great success story business wise but look at what shitty service they provide. In countries with higher quality standards, they would never have gotten out of the gate.

And in this case, someone asked if anyone had issues with Rappi and I said what happened to me. I think when people complain they do so out of a hope things will get better, and I have zero expectation of that. So in my mind, I am not complaining. I am just telling people how it is.

Hi guys, where is a nice cheap short term room I can walk to o take a didi to if I meet someone in parque lleras?

I imagine like many members here I've read quite a few reviews of indie apartment girls from mileroticos. In no particular order, the three worst situations are 1. The so-called "cambiazo" when the girl in the advert photo is not the same (usually not as attractive) as the girl in the apartment, 2. Smelly pussy and / or ass (aseo), 3. Shitty service (la vaca muerta).

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2741556]You are totally over thinking the situation. The chicas make a living by providing a service at their apartment. If they were robbing and/or drugging people there, the word would get out and they would no longer be making a living. Hundreds of people a week go to the apartments and I haven't heard of anyone being harmed. If you pick up a chica from the Park Lleras area, you will be rolling the dice on your safety because you won't know anything about that chica. You will have an address and an image of the chica in an apartment so you will have some recourse if something goes wrong.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2740383]I thought I was in the twilight zone. The girls working at Hooters (parque Lleras) looked 1000 x hotter than the working girls.

You're right, must be the webcam / Onlyfans scene getting all the hot talent. Easy money, can't blame them, but man does it suck.[/QUOTE]Has anyone taken any of the Hooters girls home? Or seen them outside the spot after their shift?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2741535]If you're staying in a hotel or will be afterwards I'd inquire there. I've had the Marriott and Sheraton hold pieces of luggage (nothing too expensive, just clothes and toiletries) for weeks at a time.[/QUOTE]I'm at a Hilton property, so it's worth a shot. Thanks!

[QUOTE=Blakman;2736249]By the way what happened to the legendary slapshot. And Thanks rice rocket. I rarely entertain since having passport issues but the site was really dry til you brought some liquid quality into play. I hail you the New Medellin don, replacing slapshot LOL.

.[/QUOTE]I remember seeing his nice collection of photos from his chica rotation on this board. Unfortunately, I don't have a jacuzzi. But I'm going to give his playboy bunnies some competition. I might lose, but at least I'll give him a run for the money. I looked back at my photo album for the past year, in which about 4 months were spent in Medellin. These were IMO the hottest that I've met and all were in the 150-200 mil plus taxis. They're also the party type chicas, so it's tussi and mari and my dickie pumping up their pussy, making it juicy! It took hard work and time to compile this rotation. Sorry, I won't be able to share contacts because I lost them all hehe. Cheers from Slaprocket to Slapshot.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2741170]As other reviewer have mentioned, BBVA now charges 15 mil per transaction for cash withdrawals. Upper limit is still 300 mil. Just heads up.[/QUOTE]But the rate is better in BBVA than bancolombia after all the charges.

In BBVAb - 300 mil = 70.3 USD.

In Bancolombia - 300 mil = 74 USD.

Had so much fun like before, this is my second time in Medellin and I love it. Stayed at San Peters in Laureles, except for noise it's a perfect location. Love the restaurants on Avenida Jardin, the little park in 5 min walk, Al Alma breakfast place 74 B #39-143. Visited all the regular places like New life, Zandalay, Aiffe, Energy (worst of all) and reached out to couple of Photoprepagos girls. This time there is a change in the San Peters bar, there were some girls waiting there from Thursdays to Saturdays. One of the girls is a real model, I think her name is Stephanie or something, my friend took her.

San Peters is close to LA 70 and on weekends noise is crazy, just be aware of that. Except that this place is perfect, close to El Centro, Poblado and all other places.

Little bit of Spanish will go a long way here with the girls and elsewhere. Just brush up on little Spanish phrases and that's good enough. I used duolingo and it's great and I felt I had better experience this time because of my Spanish. By the way, traffic got lot worse from last time about 21/2 years ago. If you are visiting Medellin experience the Metro cables (Line k and l) and do a tour of Guatape, you will love both.

Loved New Life (100 k per HR) and Zandalay (85 k per HR).

Poblado girls are asking 300 k per HR and Independents on Photoprepagos are asking about 140 k - 180 k.

Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you!

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741675]Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you![/QUOTE]I found a PDF created by one (or more) of the senior members here (Sorry I don't remember the author's name). It't dated 2021, but should still work. It has a section at the bottom for drivers, although I haven't used any.

[QUOTE=Anukris;2741652]But the rate is better in BBVA than bancolombia after all the charges.

In BBVAb - 300 mil = 70.3 USD.

In Bancolombia - 300 mil = 74 USD.[/QUOTE]Unless you compared the 2 at exactly the same minute you don't really know. And what are you comparing. ATM conversion, at a teller, on line?

I know when I convert money the rate that is quoted is good for 10 minutes only. ATM conversions change at least daily, and depending on your home bank and what clearing house they use those rates may also change by the minute. In my case my home bank does the conversion so it doesn't matter what bank I deal with in the foreign country. I am not from the USA and my bank does not use the VISA or Mastercard systems for currency conversion.

Check the gringo groups on facebook. There are several who market their services there.

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741675]Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you![/QUOTE]

The infamous "cambiazo. ".

[QUOTE=DontSayMuch;2741538]I went to see one in her Laureles apartment and one came to my hotel room. It was fine both times, but I recommend having a Whatsapp call with them. Both of them looked different than their pics on the site.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741675]Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you![/QUOTE]No mongers are hiring security details, my advice would be to get into a Facebook group like "Medellin Expat and Tourist Info" and ask your question there. People who provide all types of services monitor those posts and answer.

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741675]Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you![/QUOTE]A security detail? Seriously? The reason you see no info on that is because no one has ever done it. So that should tell you something. No idea what you are planning on doing but a security detail will not enhance the experience for most reasonable people. If you [B]did[/B] hire security as a first time gringo visitor, said 'security' would probably rip you off and set you up worse than befriending some rando.

Just really shaking my head here.

[QUOTE=Secksee1;2741639]Has anyone taken any of the Hooters girls home? Or seen them outside the spot after their shift?[/QUOTE]Somebody in one of my facebook groups asked the same thing. What is this obsession? Hooters is a restaurant and the girls are waitresses. Not seeing what the big deal is with guys wanting to hook up with them. Do you guys have a waitress fetish? Because there are tons of prostitutes with pussy for sale. Why hope to get some from a waitress when you know you can get some from a hooker?

Stayed at an Airbnb near Parque Poblado. Private entrance so I was able to have girls all day and as many as I wanted. Used milleroticos, photosprepagados, skokka, and a website called paisson during the day. 150 k to 300 k for outcall including taxi and BBBJ for 1 hour. Also went to Soul Spa on Calle 10 a few times. 100 k pesos for a 1 hour massage. 50 k for HJ. They had a couple super cute 20 yo massage girls. Also went to Parque Lleras between 4 pm and 2 am. 200 k to 400 k for 1 hour BBBJ. Parque Lleras usually had 5 to 10 girls during the day and 30 to 100 girls each night between the 3 blocks on Calle 10 that run along Parque Lleras and Gustos, Lleras Park Bar and the Bar above Lleras Park Bar. There were also a handful of girls at Supa Shooters and some other small bars along Calle 10. The hottest girls rotated between Gustos, Lleras Park Bar, and the bar above Lleras Park Bar. Lots of older milfs in the bars. The 20 somethings were usually on the street. Most were also milfs.

A skinny 20 something with bleached blond hair I picked up from Parque Lleras demanded I rinse my junk before we started. When I went to the bathroom, she took 80 k pesos from my wallet. I know, I shouldn't have left my wallet, but she was my third girl for the day and it was 1 am so I wasn't thinking clearly. Luckily I'd spent most of my money for the day on the other girls, food, and drinks.

A few days later a group of super trashy looking girls stole my cell phone when I was walking back to my Airbnb on Calle 10. One put a death grip on my crotch and while I tried to pry her hand lose another grabbed my arm and the one grabbing my crotch pulled my cell phone while I was dick-stracted trying to get my arm and crotch free. So (1) don't wash your junk and (2) if a group of girls grab your crotch, enjoy the free HJ and cover your other valuables.

Not my favorite place to hobby, but I couldn't pass up the exchange rate (4466 pesos:$1 or $30 to $90 for 1 hour with BBBJ with a cute / hot 20 year old) Even with the losses, I still had fun.

[QUOTE=Gandi718;2741501]I wanted to get advice on the mileroticos chicks. I message them on whatsapp and they have apartments. I am worried of getting drugged if I go to their place. I was thinking to rent a hotel and tell them to come to me. Another option is having them come to my airbnb but I don't think that's a good idea in terms of safety. Or should I go to their apartment? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you.[/QUOTE]Statistically and practically, the safest place for a monger for a monger to have a session is at a girl's incall. The girl is a local and wants no trouble of any sort.

[QUOTE=Anukris;2741655]
Loved New Life (100 k per HR) and Zandalay (85 k per HR).[/QUOTE]Last time I went to NL and Z, the rate was 5 k less. So the prices have gone up?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2741738]A security detail? Seriously? The reason you see no info on that is because no one has ever done it. So that should tell you something. No idea what you are planning on doing but a security detail will not enhance the experience for most reasonable people. If you [B]did[/B] hire security as a first time gringo visitor, said 'security' would probably rip you off and set you up worse than befriending some rando.

Just really shaking my head here.[/QUOTE]Security will make you more of a target in Colombia and the couple wealthy Colombians I've spoke to might have it for their kids (worried about kidnapping), but generally avoid it themselves. I've had security in other counites before (Mexico comes to mind and Las Vegas once), but it's not the same quality in Colombia and again, will make you more of a target. If you really, really to want it you'll want to look online for Bogota as that's where the quality security detail is based out of and they would likely need to travel from there, plus bring their transportation.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741743]Somebody in one of my facebook groups asked the same thing. What is this obsession? Hooters is a restaurant and the girls are waitresses. Not seeing what the big deal is with guys wanting to hook up with them. Do you guys have a waitress fetish? Because there are tons of prostitutes with pussy for sale. Why hope to get some from a waitress when you know you can get some from a hooker?[/QUOTE]The waitresses at Hooters (parque lleras) are exceptionally hot. Go visit the place and see for yourself, it's not just hype.

Anybody know if there are casas in Envigado? Or any in-call providers in Envigado who are recommended?

My PM's are open.

[QUOTE=Flak3;2741815]
A few days later a group of super trashy looking girls stole my cell phone when I was walking back to my Airbnb on Calle 10. One put a death grip on my crotch and while I tried to pry her hand lose another grabbed my arm and the one grabbing my crotch pulled my cell phone while I was dick-stracted trying to get my arm and crotch free. So (1) don't wash your junk and (2) if a group of girls grab your crotch, enjoy the free HJ and cover your other valuables.

Not my favorite place to hobby, but I couldn't pass up the exchange rate (4466 pesos:$1 or $30 to $90 for 1 hour with BBBJ with a cute / hot 20 year old) Even with the losses, I still had fun.[/QUOTE]Sound like you got robbed by a tranny pack. If you're going to do this you got to follow the well laid out rules, you took many chances and I'm happy you got off with just those losses. Getting scoped etc is worse.

And I am curious now, where is your favorite place to hobby?

[QUOTE=Huacho;2741738]A security detail? Seriously? The reason you see no info on that is because no one has ever done it. So that should tell you something. No idea what you are planning on doing but a security detail will not enhance the experience for most reasonable people. If you [B]did[/B] hire security as a first time gringo visitor, said 'security' would probably rip you off and set you up worse than befriending some rando.

Just really shaking my head here.[/QUOTE]I don't think it's that crazy or outlandish of a request. To point out the other poster's comment about potentially being a target, yes that could be true but it's also true that you don't have to worry about any of the logistical nightmares, taking the wrong turn, rides in general, vetting with a legitimate service. Also, there are different levels to security. A driver / guide recommendation would be okay as well, but I understand what you're saying.

Yeah, at flak3 def got hit by a tranny pack. Same thing happened to a friend of mine who was walking around drunk trying to score some strange off the side streets in Llleras Park.

At donmedellin my last experience at NewLife and Zandalay this year the prices were way below 100 K or 85 K.

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741675]Can anyone help with recommending a really reliable, good security detail? Or driver / tour guide? I RTFF like 400 pages almost, but found no information on hiring security for a short-term trip. Thank you![/QUOTE]It sounds as though you think things are like they were during the Pablo Escobar era over two decades ago. If your that paranoid, you should just hire a driver / guide and If you look at all the categories under Colombia on ISG, you will see a section labeled guides, and a few years back there was a post listing several bi-lingual drivers some of whom may still be available today.

If you elect to hire a driver / guide, you should befriend them, meaning pay him more than he wants, and they should be able to watch your back and help you out so you will feel more comfortable.

There once was an event where the beverage brand gave us uniforms for our hostess. They looked stunning. Fortunately the brand never asked for their uniforms, so we kept them after the events.

As I had this fetish crazy idea, I took one of the uniforms to my trip. So when I was talking to Juliana, I told her that would love to see her dressing the uniform. And she found the idea very exciting.

Yeah, I fucked her dressing the beverage uniform. She was in high heels just like the hostess.

It was incredible!! My brain made a short circuit when I came jajajaja.

I think I will order some hooters uniforms so I can repeat the experience jajajajajaja there are very talented people in south america who can do incredible uniforms.

Note: Juliana let me record while bending over and BJ. Such a lovely bubble butt.

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2741962]The waitresses at Hooters (parque lleras) are exceptionally hot. Go visit the place and see for yourself, it's not just hype.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741614] Still, Rappi has issues.

A 1. 3 out of 5 rating. [URL]https://www.trustpilot.com/review/rappi.com[/URL].[/QUOTE]I went through several pages of complaints. The vast majority of complaints are centered around foreign credit cards not working or orders cancelled when the credit card didn't charge. I saw no complaints from people who were paying in cash.

Reminds me of a famous saying "[B]When in Rome......[/B]".

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741614]Unhappy drivers burning their backpacks in front of corporate offices. [URL]https://contxto.com/en/colombia/deliverers-protest-in-front-of-rappis-headquarters/[/URL].[/QUOTE]Yes 100 protesters out of 10,000 employees and the protests were in Bogota and didn't spread to other cities. Kind of weak, Elvis.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741614]They have a good market cap but Rappi is not making any money [URL]https://colombiareports.com/colombias-delivery-app-rappi-is-not-as-profitable-as-it-seems/[/URL].[/QUOTE]The article was from November 2018. 'Nuff said.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741614]But Viliany the V has not had any problems with Rappi so that cannot be true. He and JJBee (and Pile on Pauline before they had a falling out) love to pile on people with their supposed superior "knowledge" of Colombia but really they are doing what they always do, humping the powers that be. Colombia is great. Fauci is great. Rappi is great. And then they think that the TPTB will give them special privileges when of course TPTB have no clue who the fuck they are. It is narcissistic delusion.[/QUOTE]Jajajaja what is it that I do differently from you Elvis? I pay in cash and have never had a problem. You want to pay with your foreign credit card and low and behold you have problems.

I know this will come as a shock to you. Colombia doesn't operate in the same way as the US. I think for sure you would have less complaints and problems if you kind of adapted to the life style here. Just a piece of friendly advice.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2741614]With taxis, my gal handles paying for it, and I have seen a dozen times cab drivers tried to fuck her over. They will ask for 20 k and she will say 10 k, give it to them, and tell me let's go. My impression is being ripped off by a cabbie is a way of life there.[/QUOTE]Are you having these problems in Medellin? Once before you yapped about all your taxi rip-off problems but you had those experiences in Cartagena. Cartagena is a tourist laden city so yeah, I suspect cabbies see a gringo with a big head and they try to take advantage. Others have reported that cabbies in Medellin hang around the Parque Lleras area and try to catch a gringo waddling out of a bar drunk late at night. OK I can see how that could happen but I don't really hang there and I've taken cabs everywhere without the hint of a problem.

So, you should qualify your bad taxi experiences were all in Cartagena with your "girl" and not in Medellin and stop scaring people for no reason. Of course, you could have used In-Driver or Di-Di and solved those problems easily but then what would you have to complain about then??

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2741962]The waitresses at Hooters (parque lleras) are exceptionally hot. Go visit the place and see for yourself, it's not just hype.[/QUOTE]I have been there a couple of times to watch football games with friends. Just look like normal Colombianas to me.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2741987]Sound like you got robbed by a tranny pack.[/QUOTE]Agree. Regular chicks don't go around grabbing crotches like that. In Sousa one chick may do it subtlety trying to pick pocket you, but you will never see a bunch of chicks aggressively doing it. That is a tranny thing.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2742002]It sounds as though you think things are like they were during the Pablo Escobar era over two decades ago. If your that paranoid, you should just hire a driver / guide and If you look at all the categories under Colombia on ISG, you will see a section labeled guides, and a few years back there was a post listing several bi-lingual drivers some of whom may still be available today.

If you elect to hire a driver / guide, you should befriend them, meaning pay him more than he wants, and they should be able to watch your back and help you out so you will feel more comfortable.[/QUOTE]Sounds great, thank you for the sage advice. I'll look thru that section now. I'm not trying to do anything crazy out there, but I'd like a guide / driver to watch my back. Thank you.

The transvestite packs that "enredan" (gang up on) their victims is a thing in Medellin. I saw the police chase a pack of them out of Botero Plaza last June. Unfortunately it was two days after they had ganged up on an elderly derelict in the thicket between the museums and left him with a bleeding head wound. That was a really ugly scene and I especially disliked the way the police ignored the girls yelling at them to do something. Transvestites or anyone else who surround you in public should be a massive red flag and trigger a flight reflex. You would have to be pretty impaired if the reflex doesn't happen. I'm not sure what Sosua has to do with any of this.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2742033]Agree. Regular chicks don't go around grabbing crotches like that. In Sousa one chick may do it subtlety trying to pick pocket you, but you will never see a bunch of chicks aggressively doing it. That is a tranny thing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DasBooty;2741962]The waitresses at Hooters (parque lleras) are exceptionally hot. Go visit the place and see for yourself, it's not just hype.[/QUOTE]Beauty and hotness are in the eye of the beholder. I was at Hooter's tonight and there was only one waitress I would rate as hot. She used to be a bartender and left; now she is back as a waitress. She has lost a lot of weight. She has a boob job, but they look good on her. I don't like big butts nor big legs. At any given time, I would say 60 to 80 percent of the waitresses there fit one of those categories.

I agree. I have not been to Hooter's in a few trips now (maybe 4 months), but when I have gone, I was not overly impressed with the waitresses. As Fun Luvr says, most of them tend to have big butts or legs. Which is not really my type either. But maybe it's gotten better. And I've seen much prettier faces on some barrio girls. I'll have to check it out next week. Maybe Hooter's is finally becoming a Hooter's.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2742115]Beauty and hotness are in the eye of the beholder. I was at Hooter's tonight and there was only one waitress I would rate as hot. She used to be a bartender and left; now she is back as a waitress. She has lost a lot of weight. She has a boob job, but they look good on her. I don't like big butts nor big legs. At any given time, I would say 60 to 80 percent of the waitresses there fit one of those categories.[/QUOTE]

What's up brothers. Getting ready for my second trip to Medellin. Was there for memorial day weekend for my birthday and will be back this Thursday. 2 quick questions. Last time I mostly went to the strip clubs and parquet lleras. This time around I want to test some daytime Centro action. What's the best spot to go in Centro during the day for action. I prefer my chicas to have a big booty LOL. Also where can I go to get a threesome with bbj. Appreciate at it and look forward to dropping a report soon.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2742358]What's up brothers. Getting ready for my second trip to Medellin. Was there for memorial day weekend for my birthday and will be back this Thursday. 2 quick questions. Last time I mostly went to the strip clubs and parquet lleras. This time around I want to test some daytime Centro action. What's the best spot to go in Centro during the day for action. I prefer my chicas to have a big booty LOL. Also where can I go to get a threesome with bbj. Appreciate at it and look forward to dropping a report soon.[/QUOTE]I just came back, centro street chicks was the weakest I have ever seen it. But there is a big booty chick that hangs around in front of the premier plaza hotel that I sessioned with a few times, 50 k w / room. If your going to monger in centro I would recommend the strip clubs, can't report on the casas because I went to none this time. Although I heard prices are going up in the casas and the popular girls will be hit 4-5 times or more a day.

Happened to me too!! Near Veracruz church. 2 trannys got me the same way.

Almost happened to me in Santa Fe BOG but Mr E help my drunk ass out.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2741987]Sound like you got robbed by a tranny pack. If you're going to do this you got to follow the well laid out rules, you took many chances and I'm happy you got off with just those losses. Getting scoped etc is worse.

And I am curious now, where is your favorite place to hobby?[/QUOTE]

So I'm reading a few pages back and I'm like Damn! Remembered why I stop going to the Jean. Ya'll can have it!

I wish more guys would say the same. I want my MDE back! Less guys would be great, especially the "ballers" and "weekend warriors" (not that DC FAN is either).

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742403]So I'm reading a few pages back and I'm like Damn! Remembered why I stop going to the Jean. Ya'll can have it![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742401]Happened to me too!! Near Veracruz church. 2 trannys got me the same way.

Almost happened to me in Santa Fe BOG but Mr E help my drunk ass out.[/QUOTE]Definitely all girls, but they looked like they were semi homeless. Crazy make up on one, barely wearing any clothes, and didn't look like they'd bathed in a month. It would have been a step up if they were a tranny pack, at least they would have been bathed and presentable.

[QUOTE=GeneHickman;2741987]And I am curious now, where is your favorite place to hobby?[/QUOTE]The unofficial city motto: "Good guys go to heaven, bad guys go to Pattaya."

Any advice for torn foreskin? It's not major but I definitely feel it during sex. This takes me out of the action until it's better. I saw this thing called "New Skin", liquid bandage kind of thing, available in the US. Anything like this in Medellin?

Shoulda used more lube.

What is the Jean?

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2742403]So I'm reading a few pages back and I'm like Damn! Remembered why I stop going to the Jean. Ya'll can have it![/QUOTE]

You won't find as much of that on dates that don't correspond with American bank holidays. Last week I remember wondering why I was seeing so many new gringo faces. It later occurred to me that it was the week of Labor Day. I especially remember a couple of young American guys in short pants walking along the south side of Veracruz church. One of them had a shiny new high-end Apple laptop under his arm.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2742419]I wish more guys would say the same. I want my MDE back! Less guys would be great, especially the "ballers" and "weekend warriors" (not that DC FAN is either).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2742419]I wish more guys would say the same. I want my MDE back! Less guys would be great, especially the "ballers" and "weekend warriors" (not that DC FAN is either).[/QUOTE]Serious question because I'm probably defined as a weekend warrior. I've definitely become a frequent visitor. I'm heading there later this week for 5 days. This will be my 6th trip this year. I am very conscious about price. My understanding is weekend warriors come in, drop money they think is appropriate because it's more expensive elsewhere. I think we all have a responsibility to adhere to the established prices. Any other things I can do to mitigate my actions?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2741743]Somebody in one of my facebook groups asked the same thing. What is this obsession? Hooters is a restaurant and the girls are waitresses. Not seeing what the big deal is with guys wanting to hook up with them. Do you guys have a waitress fetish? Because there are tons of prostitutes with pussy for sale. Why hope to get some from a waitress when you know you can get some from a hooker?[/QUOTE]It's not a fetish (for me at least). Just wondering about options.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2742419]I wish more guys would say the same. I want my MDE back! Less guys would be great, especially the "ballers" and "weekend warriors" (not that DC FAN is either).[/QUOTE]Unfortunately the Pandemic has ruined, at least in my opinion, mongering here compared to before the Pandemic.

Because Colombia was basically only shutdown for about eight months during the Pandemic, versus SEA that still is trying to open back up, a lot of those mongers started showing up here, and when they discovered how inexpensive it is here, and easy to get to, they are not going back to SEA. Where can you get fucked for $ 10 USD anyways unless you go to India or Africa?

Unfortunately, MDE will never be like it was before the Pandemic, and based on all of the posting activity in the last year, I would guess at least two thirds of the posters started showing up here after the Pandemic started.

And most of the new posters seem like pretty good guys, and I don't blame them for showing up here.

At least for us "pre-pandemic" guys, we pretty much had the place to ourselves, albeit MDE was getting more and popular, but since the onset of the Pandemic, mongering has exponentially grown here.

I, like you, want MDE back, but unfortunately it's not in the cards.

My advice is to seek medical attention.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2742474]Any advice for torn foreskin? It's not major but I definitely feel it during sex. This takes me out of the action until it's better. I saw this thing called "New Skin", liquid bandage kind of thing, available in the US. Anything like this in Medellin?

Shoulda used more lube.[/QUOTE]

Any monger options near MDE airport? Flight cancelled and stuck at an airport hotel.

The street scene is cyclical; only the Centro rats are constant. We seem to hear about the same handful of casas for years on this site. Just now Ellas Erotica is one of the most highly regarded in Medellin. Except on this web site. They have a website and several locations. Their prices are about 20 K more per hour or half hour than the Centro places. They have an overall better selection of girls. They wisely maintain a wide variety of body types the way New Life does. It's the big box New Life style casa without the groups of gringos. I think a recent report is causing confusion about casa prices. I noticed the report cited the half hour cost as 80 k. That is the cost of an hour. In the past five years I haven't seen a single Centro casa increase its half hour price more than 10 K (45 K now 55 K). The prices hovered around 50 K for quite a while and some of them still charge 50 half hour /80 half hour. Aventura gets 60 half hour but they run Tuesday specials like Zandaly used to.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2742378]I just came back, centro street chicks was the weakest I have ever seen it. But there is a big booty chick that hangs around in front of the premier plaza hotel that I sessioned with a few times, 50 k w / room. If your going to monger in centro I would recommend the strip clubs, can't report on the casas because I went to none this time. Although I heard prices are going up in the casas and the popular girls will be hit 4-5 times or more a day.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2742589]Unfortunately the Pandemic has ruined, at least in my opinion, mongering here compared to before the Pandemic.

Because Colombia was basically only shutdown for about eight months during the Pandemic, versus SEA that still is trying to open back up, a lot of those mongers started showing up here, and when they discovered how inexpensive it is here, and easy to get to, they are not going back to SEA. Where can you get fucked for $ 10 USD anyways unless you go to India or Africa?

Unfortunately, MDE will never be like it was before the Pandemic, and based on all of the posting activity in the last year, I would guess at least two thirds of the posters started showing up here after the Pandemic started.

And most of the new posters seem like pretty good guys, and I don't blame them for showing up here.

At least for us "pre-pandemic" guys, we pretty much had the place to ourselves, albeit MDE was getting more and popular, but since the onset of the Pandemic, mongering has exponentially grown here.

I, like you, want MDE back, but unfortunately it's not in the cards.[/QUOTE]I have noticed since the pandemic a lot of girls I had known for years are charging a lot more money. I also noticed more americans on the flights since the pandemic. I still believe if you are willing to put in some work on social media and / or venture outside the tourist areas you can still find solid girls for a fair price.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2742574]I think we all have a responsibility to adhere to the established prices. Any other things I can do to mitigate my actions?[/QUOTE]Not saying you have ever been; but, as a general comment, don't be an "ugly American". I think those of us who have extensive international travel have seen that too often. Respect the local people and their customs.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2742549]What is the Jean?[/QUOTE]MedeJEAN, as it is pronounce by Colombians.

Once a place becomes popular with gringo's the prices sky rocket. With the new YouTube age it's happens a lot. That's why Africa will always be my favorite monger destination because the women are beautiful and it will never become overrun. I couldn't believe the prices they were quoting at gusto's. You would have thought you were in Las Vegas.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2742474]Any advice for torn foreskin? It's not major but I definitely feel it during sex. This takes me out of the action until it's better. I saw this thing called "New Skin", liquid bandage kind of thing, available in the US. Anything like this in Medellin?

Shoulda used more lube.[/QUOTE]Good luck finding "New Skin" in Medellin, let alone waterproof bandages.

New Skin works great, is waterproof, and I brought a bottle with me from the States and it would probably work on your Johnson. It comes in a small bottle with an applicator brush and stings when you use it until it dries.

In your current situation, you might try some Baby Diaper Rash Ointment, which I think is basically Zinc Oxide. I've used it in the past when I've gotten road rash, and it's very sticky and seems to heal things up quickly.

I'm assuming you were barebacking a Chica when you got tore up as this doesn't sound like something that would happen if your wearing a condom.

Hopefully you will be back in action soon.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2742639]Not saying you have ever been; but, as a general comment, don't be an "ugly American". I think those of us who have extensive international travel have seen that too often. Respect the local people and their customs.[/QUOTE]A point that could not be stressed enough.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2742474]Any advice for torn foreskin? It's not major but I definitely feel it during sex. This takes me out of the action until it's better. I saw this thing called "New Skin", liquid bandage kind of thing, available in the US. Anything like this in Medellin?

Shoulda used more lube.[/QUOTE]Experienced it myself during recent trip to Medellin. You have to let the girls know beforehand that your dick skin is sensitive and that they have to take it easy and not use teeth. Also try using coconut or any other similar oil a week before action, stretching the skin gently daily.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2742358]What's up brothers. Getting ready for my second trip to Medellin. Was there for memorial day weekend for my birthday and will be back this Thursday. 2 quick questions. Last time I mostly went to the strip clubs and parquet lleras. This time around I want to test some daytime Centro action. What's the best spot to go in Centro during the day for action. I prefer my chicas to have a big booty LOL. Also where can I go to get a threesome with BBJ. Appreciate at it and look forward to dropping a report soon.[/QUOTE]Just walk around the church, specially at its back.

Never is a very strong word. Gustos is one of a handful of outliers in Medellin. Its restaurant equivalent would be Carmen's. What they have in common is a robust public relations program and a core clientele of short term visitors who are guided by second hand information rather than their own experiences. I'm grateful for those sorts of venues because it makes their clientele easier to avoid.

[QUOTE=CkNice11;2742643]Once a place becomes popular with gringo's the prices sky rocket. With the new YouTube age it's happens a lot. That's why Africa will always be my favorite monger destination because the women are beautiful and it will never become overrun. I couldn't believe the prices they were quoting at gusto's. You would have thought you were in Las Vegas.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for that, I honestly had no idea what it was supposed to mean. To me it sounds more like what gringos say when they are imitating an Argentina accent.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2742640]MedeJEAN, as it is pronounce by Colombians.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2742625]Any monger options near MDE airport? Flight cancelled and stuck at an airport hotel.[/QUOTE]I have heard of a place in Rio Negro. Perhaps ask a cab driver?

You may or may not get your Medellin back. Medellin is what it is, was what it was, and will be what it will be. The subject of Internet resources like this one that are oriented toward Colombians has come up lately. Besides content that is all about providers, cost, and performance appraisals rather than self assessments and self promotion, the other notable difference is you never see nostalgic pining for past times. It's all useful information about what is available today and what may be on the horizon. On the other hand, I remember during the pandemic you could expect one or two guilt trip responses to every report you posted because there is segment of uribista conservatives who decided we were posing an existential risk to Colombia every time we fucked a prepago. It's the typically Colombian mentality of situational conservatism among people who can afford the mid range providers that are the focus of review websites. We've all since made peace with each other. It's interesting how the elimination of blue balls promotes peace and understanding.

[QUOTE=ColombiaLover;2742419]I wish more guys would say the same. I want my MDE back! Less guys would be great, especially the "ballers" and "weekend warriors" (not that DC FAN is either).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2741990]I don't think it's that crazy or outlandish of a request. To point out the other poster's comment about potentially being a target, yes that could be true but it's also true that you don't have to worry about any of the logistical nightmares, taking the wrong turn, rides in general, vetting with a legitimate service. Also, there are different levels to security. A driver / guide recommendation would be okay as well, but I understand what you're saying.[/QUOTE]Unless you're a major celebrity, or plan on cruising Medellin in a limo wearing $20 k worth of jewelry it's a crazy and outlandish request. If either of the above applies, then you should bring your own security detail with you.

IDK. Try the city where the airport is. LOL. Ask a taxi. There's a night spot on the Pan-America. Can't remember the name. There's also spots in downtown RN.

[QUOTE=NuKamdev;2742625]Any monger options near MDE airport? Flight cancelled and stuck at an airport hotel.[/QUOTE].

It was already bad before the pandemic. It's not the weekend warriors that ruined it. I would do weekend trips. It's the "Make it rain" fools that fucked it up. On a side note, expats living in Colombia during the pandemic experienced favorable pricing. Can you imagine why?

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2742589]Unfortunately the Pandemic has ruined, at least in my opinion, mongering here compared to before the Pandemic.

Because Colombia was basically only shutdown for about eight months during the Pandemic, versus SEA that still is trying to open back up, a lot of those mongers started showing up here, and when they discovered how inexpensive it is here, and easy to get to, they are not going back to SEA. Where can you get fucked for $ 10 USD anyways unless you go to India or Africa?

Unfortunately, MDE will never be like it was before the Pandemic, and based on all of the posting activity in the last year, I would guess at least two thirds of the posters started showing up here after the Pandemic started.

And most of the new posters seem like pretty good guys, and I don't blame them for showing up here.

At least for us "pre-pandemic" guys, we pretty much had the place to ourselves, albeit MDE was getting more and popular, but since the onset of the Pandemic, mongering has exponentially grown here.

I, like you, want MDE back, but unfortunately it's not in the cards.[/QUOTE]

Stop going to the Jean and go where there aren't a lot of tourist. Explore and have fun. MDE was my spot for a long time. I mean I was hooked. Then the price went up and the performance went down, way down. All due to the high amount off dumbass flocking to MDE. Then I explored other cities and the price went down and the performance went way way up! In short Fuck MDE and explore!

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2742574]Serious question because I'm probably defined as a weekend warrior. I've definitely become a frequent visitor. I'm heading there later this week for 5 days. This will be my 6th trip this year. I am very conscious about price. My understanding is weekend warriors come in, drop money they think is appropriate because it's more expensive elsewhere. I think we all have a responsibility to adhere to the established prices. Any other things I can do to mitigate my actions?[/QUOTE]

I normally hire Uber por hora (Uber by hour) and that works as most of the information anyway is all around. I sometime then make a deal of per day rate with some uber and indriver guys and do outstation trips etc.

[QUOTE=TylerHerro;2742059]Sounds great, thank you for the sage advice. I'll look thru that section now. I'm not trying to do anything crazy out there, but I'd like a guide / driver to watch my back. Thank you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Omigawd;2742692]Experienced it myself during recent trip to Medellin. You have to let the girls know beforehand that your dick skin is sensitive and that they have to take it easy and not use teeth. Also try using coconut or any other similar oil a week before action, stretching the skin gently daily.[/QUOTE]Not an uncommon medical problem. See a urologist and get circumcised. It will heal in two weeks. Easy fix.

[QUOTE=Tasss;2742474]Any advice for torn foreskin? It's not major but I definitely feel it during sex. This takes me out of the action until it's better. I saw this thing called "New Skin", liquid bandage kind of thing, available in the US. Anything like this in Medellin?

Shoulda used more lube.[/QUOTE]My advice below was meant for this question.

I don't get the negative comments about Medellin from a few people. I don't really understand the guys making comments like 'oh, this is why I don't go to Medellin" .or "this is what Medellin used to be " what is the point of this? Who does that help? And how does that help?

Anyway, I have been coming here 7 years straight and I have an absolute best time every time I come. Dollar is stronger than ever. I pay less now in dollars compared to 5 years ago. There is so much variety for all tastes and price ranges. No one is ruining it for anyone. You could pay 40 mil or 1000 mil a session, there are girls and venues that offer that and clients willing to pay that, 11 am to 2 am every day of the week. Hard to beat.

Planning a solo trip to MDE Jan-March. Just started going through the forum as a first timer, but hoping for any catered advice or to chat with anyone willing. I plan writing an extensive trip report so I can contribute some value to the forum.

Background: Mid 30's American. Started mongering this year. Have done RLD in Amsterdam, strippers in VIP rooms / hotels in Miami Atlanta. Poor Spanish, but using this as motivation to get to functional tourist fluency. My 1st trip to South America. Considered Barcelona as an AMS equivalent, but this is slightly closer and cheaper.

Goal: Being ISG, knowing that there's variability and always risk I want to make this simple, hassle free, safest for high volume of "high end" girls 8-10's. My tastes are the conventionally attractive, in shape, slim thick Instagram types, enhancements or natural even if a 6-7 would perform better. In Amsterdam I was doing 3 girls a day from window girls, which is child's play in difficulty compared to MDE it seems. I plan on coming back to MDE / Colombia, Sao Paolo, Barcelona in future for Latin mongering, so this 1st trip I want to play it safe.

Targets: La Isla, Fase II, Loutron, Gusto. Seems enough volume of safe options for high end girls near where I'll look to stay in El Poblado. If 1 sucks, its not too far to do the loop. Maybe once I settle a couple days I'll be more adventurous.

1) I've been told that race may matter. I'm ethnically east African, but ambiguously brown to where I'm Cuban / Dominican, maybe pull of dark skin Colombian. Muscular but avg height, so maybe I'm not the easiest target but being solo I won't push it & will dress plain to local standards. Will my look change general recommendations with safety or girls?

2) Is it worth forcing a 2.5 day trip sooner, or just wait until I can do a max 5-7 days to do it right?

3) Budget: If 5-7 days, for food and lodging I'll go the mid / high end route. As for the girls, I'll have the energy for 2-3 sessions a day. What would be an upper limit ceiling for 10 encounters giving buffer for covers, transport, a few drinks, expendables?

4) Transport: Uber to those clubs from Poblado are all 10 min or less. Is walking 30-40 min too risky?

5) Ignoring budget & assuming Poblado location, any major benefit of mid / high end hotel vs high end SuperHost Airbnb? Airbnb's may more easily allow guests, but hotels have security. Read nice, guest friendly, Poblado hotels are Hotel Dorado La 70, Hotel Poblado Plaza, Art Hotel Boutique.

6) Is there a general curfew that it gets exceptionally more risky to be out solo? I'll be making daytime visits and only want to be out at night only as late as needed for the best menu.

Much appreciated to any advice or criticisms. I'll gladly answer any DM's about AMS, MIA, ATL if helpful.

I've spent a fair amount of time in other venues that I've come to dislike over the years. I no longer frequent those places. I rarely read about them and I 100% never spend time broadcasting my displeasure with them. I consider it self destructive to spend the limited time we have engaging in that sort of thing.

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2742859]I don't get the negative comments about Medellin from a few people. I don't really understand the guys making comments like 'oh, this is why I don't go to Medellin" .or "this is what Medellin used to be " what is the point of this? Who does that help? And how does that help?

Anyway, I have been coming here 7 years straight and I have an absolute best time every time I come. Dollar is stronger than ever. I pay less now in dollars compared to 5 years ago. There is so much variety for all tastes and price ranges. No one is ruining it for anyone. You could pay 40 mil or 1000 mil a session, there are girls and venues that offer that and clients willing to pay that, 11 am to 2 am every day of the week. Hard to beat.[/QUOTE]

Oh my, I am feeling waves of gratitude I haven't experienced anything like this. I can remember having minor irritation after short term binges back when I used to squeeze a month of action into a week or less. Even now I immediately stop and correct any girl who gets to handsy during oral or heaven forbid hits me with teeth or a piercing instead of tongue and cheek. I think the broken foreskin thing is on another whole level. I reckon this is good affirmation of the value of circumcision and condoms.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2742646]Good luck finding "New Skin" in Medellin, let alone waterproof bandages.

New Skin works great, is waterproof, and I brought a bottle with me from the States and it would probably work on your Johnson. It comes in a small bottle with an applicator brush and stings when you use it until it dries.

In your current situation, you might try some Baby Diaper Rash Ointment, which I think is basically Zinc Oxide. I've used it in the past when I've gotten road rash, and it's very sticky and seems to heal things up quickly.

I'm assuming you were barebacking a Chica when you got tore up as this doesn't sound like something that would happen if your wearing a condom.

Hopefully you will be back in action soon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Vitrea;2742859]I don't get the negative comments about Medellin from a few people. I don't really understand the guys making comments like 'oh, this is why I don't go to Medellin" .or "this is what Medellin used to be " what is the point of this? Who does that help? And how does that help?

Anyway, I have been coming here 7 years straight and I have an absolute best time every time I come. Dollar is stronger than ever. I pay less now in dollars compared to 5 years ago. There is so much variety for all tastes and price ranges. No one is ruining it for anyone. You could pay 40 mil or 1000 mil a session, there are girls and venues that offer that and clients willing to pay that, 11 am to 2 am every day of the week. Hard to beat.[/QUOTE]I think the good and the bad comments about Medellin are very helpful. If it is just the guys who enjoy Medellin, it is the full story about Medellin. I welcome the negative comments about Medellin because it lets guys know that it is not all good in Medellin. As with all places, there is good and there is bad and sometimes you get a mixed experience.

That point is that there are some guys on the fence about going to Medellin and negative comments allow them to make an informed decision.

For guys who are going to Latin America for the first time, I actually think it would be better to go to Guadalaja, Mexico or Costa Rica first because it is just easier for gringos who don't speak English and it is a safer experience.

That being said, I just came back from Medellin and I had a good time but there were some negatives to the trip. When I have time, I will post a few comments about my trip.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2742860]... [b]"high end" girls 8-10's.[/b] .... I plan on coming back to MDE / Colombia, Sao Paolo, Barcelona in future for Latin mongering, so this 1st trip I want to play it safe.

Targets: [b]La Isla, Fase II, Loutron, Gusto[/b]. Seems enough volume of safe options for high end girls ...

2) Is it worth forcing a [b]2.5 day trip [/b]sooner, or just wait until I can do a max 5-7 days to do it right?

3) Budget: If [b]5-7 days[/b], for food and lodging I'll go the mid / high end route. As for the girls, I'll have the energy for 2-3 sessions a day. What would be an upper limit ceiling for 10 encounters giving buffer for covers, transport, a few drinks, expendables?....[/QUOTE]With such a short trip, your best bet will be Sao Paulo clubs. All the clubs you mentioned are just high price, not really high end. Scandallo alone has more bars than all the places you mentioned combined but it is much more expensive.

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2742860]Planning a solo trip to MDE Jan-March. Just started going through the forum as a first timer, but hoping for any catered advice or to chat with anyone willing. I plan writing an extensive trip report so I can contribute some value to the forum.

Background: Mid 30's American. Started mongering this year. Have done RLD in Amsterdam, strippers in VIP rooms / hotels in Miami Atlanta. Poor Spanish, but using this as motivation to get to functional tourist fluency. My 1st trip to South America. Considered Barcelona as an AMS equivalent, but this is slightly closer and cheaper.

Goal: Being ISG, knowing that there's variability and always risk I want to make this simple, hassle free, safest for high volume of "high end" girls 8-10's. My tastes are the conventionally attractive, in shape, slim thick Instagram types, enhancements or natural even if a 6-7 would perform better. In Amsterdam I was doing 3 girls a day from window girls, which is child's play in difficulty compared to MDE it seems. I plan on coming back to MDE / Colombia, Sao Paolo, Barcelona in future for Latin mongering, so this 1st trip I want to play it safe.

Targets: La Isla, Fase II, Loutron, Gusto. Seems enough volume of safe options for high end girls near where I'll look to stay in El Poblado. If 1 sucks, its not too far to do the loop. Maybe once I settle a couple days I'll be more adventurous.

1) I've been told that race may matter. I'm ethnically east African, but ambiguously brown to where I'm Cuban / Dominican, maybe pull of dark skin Colombian. Muscular but avg height, so maybe I'm not the easiest target but being solo I won't push it & will dress plain to local standards. Will my look change general recommendations with safety or girls?

2) Is it worth forcing a 2.5 day trip sooner, or just wait until I can do a max 5-7 days to do it right?

3) Budget: If 5-7 days, for food and lodging I'll go the mid / high end route. As for the girls, I'll have the energy for 2-3 sessions a day. What would be an upper limit ceiling for 10 encounters giving buffer for covers, transport, a few drinks, expendables?

4) Transport: Uber to those clubs from Poblado are all 10 min or less. Is walking 30-40 min too risky?

5) Ignoring budget & assuming Poblado location, any major benefit of mid / high end hotel vs high end SuperHost Airbnb? Airbnb's may more easily allow guests, but hotels have security. Read nice, guest friendly, Poblado hotels are Hotel Dorado La 70, Hotel Poblado Plaza, Art Hotel Boutique.

6) Is there a general curfew that it gets exceptionally more risky to be out solo? I'll be making daytime visits and only want to be out at night only as late as needed for the best menu.

Much appreciated to any advice or criticisms. I'll gladly answer any DM's about AMS, MIA, ATL if helpful.[/QUOTE]1. I'm white and never had any issues with race. I typically wear basketball shorts / joggers, basic t-shirt, and some adidas or nike shoes. I would leave the jewelry, watches, and brand new phones at home. Not worth the risk imo.

2. I would personally wait till you can do a longer trip but if you live in Florida its a short direct flight to Medellin.

3. Energy living apartment complex is going to set you back $100/ night minimum, food is going to heavily depend on if you are dining solo or with a chica. Sessions are going to set you back 250-300 k minimum more if you go to the clubs and pay cover drinks etc.

4. Lots of hills in El Poblado so I would recommend taking an uber unless you want to sweat your ass off.

5. Lots of high end airbnbs are in apartment complexes with secruity, pools, gyms etc. No personal experience with the high end hotels but I hear they charge guest fee after a certain time or just flat out charge after 1 chica / day. varies by hotel and whether or not you book the room for 1 or 2 guests.

6. Its probably just the American in me but after 2 am I don't really see a point in staying out any longer, its not going to get any crazier or better in my opinion. But there are spots that stay open till 8 am (not sure if this is still true post pandemic).

But yeah if you have mongered in MIA and ATL I don't see money really being an issue for you unless you just want to budget your costs in order to take a longer trip.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2743077]With such a short trip, your best bet will be Sao Paulo clubs. All the clubs you mentioned are just high price, not really high end. Scandallo alone has more bars than all the places you mentioned combined but it is much more expensive.[/QUOTE]Definitely wouldn't fly to Brazil for 2. 5 days, Lol.
Colombia is much more convenient for a short trip.
Though I do prefer Brazil overall.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2743094]Definitely wouldn't fly to Brazil for 2. 5 days, Lol.
Colombia is much more convenient for a short trip.
Though I do prefer Brazil overall.[/QUOTE]Sub 3 days was me being over eager. I fly ATL / Miami so 6-7 hours. I'll just stick with 7 days. Following the previous poster's suggestions too. SP one day, but favoring MDE as it's closer and my Spanish is better than my Portuguese.

Hello,

Looking for guidance and opinion from the fellow friends.

I have been to Medellin just once in 2019 and absolutely loved it.

I am contemplating going back to Medellin but Dubai is also an option that is possible.

Never been to Dubai, Anyone who has been to both places can you provide me some comparison points.

Other than the obvious which is high cost per encounter in Dubai, would Dubai offer better options in diversity, venues, better things to do during the day etc?

Please advise. PM is open too. Thank you!

[QUOTE=Balboa;2743094]Definitely wouldn't fly to Brazil for 2. 5 days, Lol.
Colombia is much more convenient for a short trip.
Though I do prefer Brazil overall.[/QUOTE]The point I tried to make is this. If he only has 2. 5 days on the ground. Based on the context of his post, comparing what you get from La Isla, to what you get from Scandallo. It is a waste of time spending time in La Isla even if it is closer and cheaper. I speak from experience that I have been to both in the past few months.

For you or others who have many other options, that will be different.

[QUOTE=Snook;2738074]I have been mongering longer than many of those here have been alive and have been fortunate enough to have lived in prime time for mongering in places at their prime time. Cuba, Costa Rica. But before that, there was Venezuela. Before the political cluster fuck that ruined the country. In the 90's, Venezuela was the prime spot for fishing and the most beautiful women in the world. Back then, they were $ a throw in 1990 dollars!!! The fact that they have been displaced as they have to Columbia just makes the pot sweeter and like shopping in the Dollar store! Venezuela / Columbia is a randomly mutually agreed upon geographic border. Basically they are the same with different cultures and histories. 40 years ago, the tables were turned. Not to overthink it, just saying. I love them all equally. 8-80, blind, crippled, crazy, fat, skinny, tall, short, blonde, brunette, .

Happy hunting, my friends.

Snook.[/QUOTE]My Chicago iteration circa the 1970's.

8-80 blind, crippled, crazy, fat legs, no legs, bucked teeth, no teeth.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2743116]The point I tried to make is this. If he only has 2. 5 days on the ground. Based on the context of his post, comparing what you get from La Isla, to what you get from Scandallo. It is a waste of time spending time in La Isla even if it is closer and cheaper. I speak from experience that I have been to both in the past few months.

For you or others who have many other options, that will be different.[/QUOTE]Well yes, theoretically speaking, I agree. However, if you factor in travel time, and all night flying, I would choose Colombia on a short trip.

I do understand your point though.

Hi everyone, am currently in Medellin since Sunday and wanted tô give a Quick Update on some points that have been discussed here:

All BBVA ATMs I've tried spit out max. 300 k peso and costs are 15 k pesos (that was an equivalent to 72 EUR) Bancolombia gives 600 k and costs are about 22 k pesos (damage in checking account: 151 EUR). So the BBVA option is definitely better.

All the nicer Hotels in el Poblado charge an extra fee if you bring girls so staying there. So the hotels make only sense if you already have a girl that travels with you. Best option therefore is an individual Airbnb. I cannot recommend Factory Lofts Laurels BTW.

Walking around laurel is and el Poblado is super safe. People here are really friendly and nice and during daytime you need to be stupid as fuck that something happens.

Please just don't take iPhones or iwatches with you. An iPhone 13 pro is a half year salary for a regular Colombian. So do the math. I always have a cheaper but good Huawei phone with me. No one cares about that.

Best sim carrier is Claro. Buy the SIM card at any street vendor or Kiosk (5 k peso) and top up with a 15 day package with 10 GB, limitless calls and SMS (20 k peso). Do the top up and stores called "gana" - green colour, minuscule letters.

Girls in el Centro around Veracruz were all really really nothing I'd ever touch. I'll go and have a look there today again. Better options:

Mia at Ella's Erotic. (130 k for half an hour with BBJ). This woman is pretty fantastic, definitely an 8 out of 10, about 30 years. No smelly pussy, neutral taste, a pleasure to make her come, good BJ (pretty rough deep throat), nice silicone see-cup titties. Or Chanel in Poblado. (look at mileroticos or pasionprepagos) Chanel is a mid 20 darker skinned Colombian and absolutely attractive. A really gorgeous face she is sadly hiding in her pics. Later today, I might try Melissa at Ella's Erotic. I'll keep you posted.

I will stay with the casas this week, Ella's Erotic is a legit place with warm and cold shower, they provida a towel, all great.

A sincere request: please learn some Spanish, don't go mongering with Google translate and to the Americans: please learn to pronounce the Spanish words correctly and put some effort into that. The people here are really good and friendly and they will thank you later. Especially the girls.

And finally: currently it's raining cats and dogs every day around 3 - 3:30 pm for like 20-30 minutes. Be aware of that, go have lunch at that time or book an 1,5 hour session.

If you have any questions a or want me to check out something for you, I'll be free Wednesday, Friday and probably Saturday.

If anyone wants to meet, leave a comment. I'm from Europe, in my late 30ies, speak 4 languages and have quite some experience with Latinas.

Earlier, I also saw some posts and fellows complaining, that Lysto spray got expensive and over 25 $ a bottle. Well, maybe that's the case in the tourist rip off center. But just go to any farmacia o drogueria. The official price per bottle is around 50 k peso. I just bought one today at Farmacia Pasteur. Red with blue in the logo. Regular price for the bottle is 43.330 pesos, I got it today at a promotion for 36830 peso. That's about 9 USD. I'll try it out right now, not that I would need it. Just for fun. Have a good time.

I was looking for an ATM that allows you to take out a fair amount of pesos. At the Banco Davivienda ATM, I was able to withdraw the equivalent of $440 US. I don't worry about the fees because I have a Charles Schwab card and I get reimbursed. I was impressed at the amount of pesos I could take out but it came out in 100 mil peso notes. I prefer the smaller notes but the 100 mil notes went fast with the Facebook chicas.

Amazing info, thanks!

Two quick questions:

Did any of the casas offer bar / liquour service (is this a terrible idea)?

With Ella's, did you have to set an appointment beforehand or will they do a lineup?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=AlphaLife001;2743265]Hi everyone, am currently in Medellin since Sunday and wanted t give a Quick Update on some points that have been discussed here:

All BBVA ATMs I've tried spit out max. 300 k peso and costs are 15 k pesos (that was an equivalent to 72 EUR) Bancolombia gives 600 k and costs are about 22 k pesos (damage in checking account: 151 EUR). So the BBVA option is definitely better.

All the nicer Hotels in el Poblado charge an extra fee if you bring girls so staying there. So the hotels make only sense if you already have a girl that travels with you. Best option therefore is an individual Airbnb. I cannot recommend Factory Lofts Laurels BTW.

Walking around laurel is and el Poblado is super safe. People here are really friendly and nice and during daytime you need to be stupid as fuck that something happens.

Please just don't take iPhones or iwatches with you. An iPhone 13 pro is a half year salary for a regular Colombian. So do the math. I always have a cheaper but good Huawei phone with me. No one cares about that.

Best sim carrier is Claro. Buy the SIM card at any street vendor or Kiosk (5 k peso) and top up with a 15 day package with 10 GB, limitless calls and SMS (20 k peso). Do the top up and stores called "gana" - green colour, minuscule letters.

Girls in el Centro around Veracruz were all really really nothing I'd ever touch. I'll go and have a look there today again. Better options:

Mia at Ella's Erotic. (130 k for half an hour with BBJ). This woman is pretty fantastic, definitely an 8 out of 10, about 30 years. No smelly pussy, neutral taste, a pleasure to make her come, good BJ (pretty rough deep throat), nice silicone see-cup titties. Or Chanel in Poblado. (look at mileroticos or pasionprepagos) Chanel is a mid 20 darker skinned Colombian and absolutely attractive. A really gorgeous face she is sadly hiding in her pics. Later today, I might try Melissa at Ella's Erotic. I'll keep you posted.

I will stay with the casas this week, Ella's Erotic is a legit place with warm and cold shower, they provida a towel, all great.

A sincere request: please learn some Spanish, don't go mongering with Google translate and to the Americans: please learn to pronounce the Spanish words correctly and put some effort into that. The people here are really good and friendly and they will thank you later. Especially the girls.

And finally: currently it's raining cats and dogs every day around 3 - 3:30 pm for like 20-30 minutes. Be aware of that, go have lunch at that time or book an 1,5 hour session.

If you have any questions a or want me to check out something for you, I'll be free Wednesday, Friday and probably Saturday.

If anyone wants to meet, leave a comment. I'm from Europe, in my late 30ies, speak 4 languages and have quite some experience with Latinas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AllAboutTer;2743107]Hello,

Looking for guidance and opinion from the fellow friends.

I have been to Medellin just once in 2019 and absolutely loved it.

I am contemplating going back to Medellin but Dubai is also an option that is possible.

Never been to Dubai, Anyone who has been to both places can you provide me some comparison points.

Other than the obvious which is high cost per encounter in Dubai, would Dubai offer better options in diversity, venues, better things to do during the day etc?

Please advise. PM is open too. Thank you![/QUOTE]Been to Dubai once, albeit several years ago. IMO it's not a great place for our hobby. There are definitely women abvailable, but the experience isn't good. It’s also IMO not much of a tourist destination. I'the never go back unless it was extremely convenient for me.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2743116]The point I tried to make is this. If he only has 2. 5 days on the ground. Based on the context of his post, comparing what you get from La Isla, to what you get from Scandallo. It is a waste of time spending time in La Isla even if it is closer and cheaper. I speak from experience that I have been to both in the past few months.

For you or others who have many other options, that will be different.[/QUOTE]While nothing in Medellin comes even close to Scandallo (and a few other venues in So Paulo), for a short trip, MDE makes way more sense. Flying from the US to Brasil for anything under a week is not worth it.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2741697]Unless you compared the 2 at exactly the same minute you don't really know. And what are you comparing. ATM conversion, at a teller, on line?

I know when I convert money the rate that is quoted is good for 10 minutes only. ATM conversions change at least daily, and depending on your home bank and what clearing house they use those rates may also change by the minute. In my case my home bank does the conversion so it doesn't matter what bank I deal with in the foreign country. I am not from the USA and my bank does not use the VISA or Mastercard systems for currency conversion.[/QUOTE]You are right, and I compared one day apart and exchange rate didn't differ a whole lot.

Exactly! Why guys get butt hurt over negative self-destructive reviews is beyond me. For the guys that are on the fence about going for the first time. GO to MDE for the weather, the hoes, the drugs. But from a numbers perspective, there are other cities in Colombia that have a lot more strip clubs and casas and better food.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2743029]I think the good and the bad comments about Medellin are very helpful. If it is just the guys who enjoy Medellin, it is the full story about Medellin. I welcome the negative comments about Medellin because it lets guys know that it is not all good in Medellin. As with all places, there is good and there is bad and sometimes you get a mixed experience.

That point is that there are some guys on the fence about going to Medellin and negative comments allow them to make an informed decision.

For guys who are going to Latin America for the first time, I actually think it would be better to go to Guadalaja, Mexico or Costa Rica first because it is just easier for gringos who don't speak English and it is a safer experience.

That being said, I just came back from Medellin and I had a good time but there were some negatives to the trip. When I have time, I will post a few comments about my trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2743437]Exactly! Why guys get butt hurt over negative self-destructive reviews is beyond me. For the guys that are on the fence about going for the first time. GO to MDE for the weather, the hoes, the drugs. But from a numbers perspective, there are other cities in Colombia that have a lot more strip clubs and casas and better food.[/QUOTE]What city has more besides Bogota?

[QUOTE=Balboa;2743243]Well yes, theoretically speaking, I agree. However, if you factor in travel time, and all night flying, I would choose Colombia on a short trip.

I do understand your point though.[/QUOTE]I agree with you.

My point is based on the context. Not knowing the OP's taste, just based on that he expects 8-10, instagram type. IMO, it is unrealistic to do what the OP wants to do in 2. 5 days in Medellin for a new monger in those clubs which also start late, unlike Scandallo that starts around noon. I also actually did not say do it in 2. 5 days because the other number he mentioned is 5-7 days. So instead of giving negative feedback, I went with it so he could think about it if he decided to do a short trip.

I don't know where the OP lives. Just to argue about it, he could take a direct red-eyes out of Houston and arrive in SP in the morning but this is not really the point.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2743448]I agree with you.

My point is based on the context. Not knowing the OP's taste, just based on that he expects 8-10, instagram type. IMO, it is unrealistic to do what the OP wants to do in 2. 5 days in Medellin for a new monger in those clubs which also start late, unlike Scandallo that starts around noon. I also actually did not say do it in 2. 5 days because the other number he mentioned is 5-7 days. So instead of giving negative feedback, I went with it so he could think about it if he decided to do a short trip.

I don't know where the OP lives. Just to argue about it, he could take a direct red-eyes out of Houston and arrive in SP in the morning but this is not really the point.[/QUOTE]Thank you I appreciate the input. Yes definitely shooting for the moon by only looking for the "high end" club girls. I travel for work, so I fly out of ATL / MIA, no directs just transfers to Bogota or Panama. I've scrapped the weekend idea, and will go with 5-7 so I'm looking for a close, 1st SA trip. SP is a must one day, but I'm working on my Spanish & know I have to do MDE at least once. Researching the Bogota sub if it's worth going there (if they have easy high end club girls) since I can get a shorter direct flight.

Likely reaching out to a sub tour guide when there.

[QUOTE=DonMedellin;2741170]As other reviewer have mentioned, BBVA now charges 15 mil per transaction for cash withdrawals. Upper limit is still 300 mil. Just heads up.[/QUOTE]I just happened to stop by the BBVA ATM around the corner from the church today and I just so happened to remember your post, DonMedellin. So here's the proof to substantiate my claim. I have the date time and location on there too so you know it's not an old picture.

Gabacho Out.

Correction there is only one city that has more than MDE.

[QUOTE=Combo;2743438]What city has more besides Bogota?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2743463]I just happened to stop by the BBVA ATM around the corner from the church today and I just so happened to remember your post, DonMedellin. So here's the proof to substantiate my claim. I have the date time and location on there too so you know it's not an old picture.

-Gabacho Out.[/QUOTE]What card do you have?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2743468]What card do you have?[/QUOTE]Capital One 360.

No international transaction fees, no ATM fees (international or out of network), no minimum balance required, no monthly fees at all, and $1000 usd per day limit on ATM withdrawals. When used at BBVA, Caja Social, or Davivienda there's absolutely no fees whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Combo;2743438]What city has more besides Bogota?[/QUOTE]Bogota is the only city in Colombia that has a larger scene than Medellin. I started going to Bogota in 2018 and Medellin in 2020. However Santa Fe, in my opinion, isn't as good as it used to be. The best girls have come to medellin to work. Also medellin is much more navigable with its state of the art metro & metro cable system. Medellin has alot more to offer in the form of extracurricular activities too such as swimming pools, etc. If you're in Bogota you have to go to Melgar for good swimming pools.

And I know no one here agrees with me but I do like Cucuta as a third option although the weather there is hot and humid, but they have a thriving scene on la septima and lower prices and lots of vennies.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2743482]Capital One 360.

No international transaction fees, no ATM fees (international or out of network), no minimum balance required, no monthly fees at all, and $1000 usd per day limit on ATM withdrawals. When used at BBVA, Caja Social, or Davivienda there's absolutely no fees whatsoever.[/QUOTE]As a credit card don't they start charging you some very high interest rate immediately after the withdrawal. What got me in CTG was Wells Fargo hitting me for $5 for every transaction and the largest one I could find was only 300 m. What ATM's in Medellin will give me the largest withdrawal per transaction. I believe I read that Davienda is 900 m? And no I'm not going to change banks for this.

Thank you for taking the time to write this.

[QUOTE=AlphaLife001;2743265]Hi everyone, am currently in Medellin since Sunday and wanted t give a Quick Update on some points that have been discussed here:

All BBVA ATMs I've tried spit out max. 300 k peso and costs are 15 k pesos (that was an equivalent to 72 EUR) Bancolombia gives 600 k and costs are about 22 k pesos (damage in checking account: 151 EUR). So the BBVA option is definitely better.

All the nicer Hotels in el Poblado charge an extra fee if you bring girls so staying there. So the hotels make only sense if you already have a girl that travels with you. Best option therefore is an individual Airbnb. I cannot recommend Factory Lofts Laurels BTW.

Walking around laurel is and el Poblado is super safe. People here are really friendly and nice and during daytime you need to be stupid as fuck that something happens.

Please just don't take iPhones or iwatches with you. An iPhone 13 pro is a half year salary for a regular Colombian. So do the math. I always have a cheaper but good Huawei phone with me. No one cares about that.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2743489] And I know no one here agrees with me but I do like Cucuta as a third option although the weather there is hot and humid, but they have a thriving scene on la septima and lower prices and lots of vennies.[/QUOTE]Interesting selecting Cucuta as a third choice / option behind Medellin and Bogota, And of course there are lot's of Vennies there, as it's a basically a border town, and things are cheaper there, as this is what I noticed when I visited to check out the mongering scene before the Pandemic.

My personal second choice / option after Medellin would of been Santa Marta, and it is way different than Cucuta being a beach town.

Davivienda gives up to 2 million pesos per transaction. The bank does not assess ATM fees. Depending on your deal with the bank that issues your ATM card, you may be charged transaction fees and your per transaction and daily withdrawal limit may be lower than what Davivienda offers.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2743499]As a credit card don't they start charging you some very high interest rate immediately after the withdrawal. What got me in CTG was Wells Fargo hitting me for $5 for every transaction and the largest one I could find was only 300 m. What ATM's in Medellin will give me the largest withdrawal per transaction. I believe I read that Davienda is 900 m? And no I'm not going to change banks for this.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2743499]As a credit card don't they start charging you some very high interest rate immediately after the withdrawal. What got me in CTG was Wells Fargo hitting me for $5 for every transaction and the largest one I could find was only 300 m. What ATM's in Medellin will give me the largest withdrawal per transaction. I believe I read that Davienda is 900 m? And no I'm not going to change banks for this.[/QUOTE]I was able to withdraw 2 million pesos using Davivienda two months ago. No fee. Convertion rate was in line to the other banks.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2743499]As a credit card don't they start charging you some very high interest rate immediately after the withdrawal. What got me in CTG was Wells Fargo hitting me for $5 for every transaction and the largest one I could find was only 300 m. What ATM's in Medellin will give me the largest withdrawal per transaction. I believe I read that Davienda is 900 m? And no I'm not going to change banks for this.[/QUOTE]I don't use credit cards. And Wells Fargo is one of the worst banks, they charge $5 usd fee on every foreign ATM transaction. Also I believe a 3% fee when you use your card for purchases too. As far as Davivienda they allow up to $2 million COP per withdrawal.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2743499]As a credit card don't they start charging you some very high interest rate immediately after the withdrawal.[/QUOTE]I think everyone on this site is referring to debit cards when talking about ATM's.

If someone wants to grab a drink, DM me-- I'm here for a while and interested in learning about day game. I've only done Seeking, Isla, Gusto, and mostly touristy stuff like that; done Centro as well, although not too often.

Found tips like the ones below regarding day game, but also looking to go out / grab a beer sometime and shoot the shit. Mid-30's, fluent Spanish, usually done with work around 4-5 pm (weekends free any time).

[QUOTE=Villainy;2729721]Tell them you're here and sometimes you get a little bored and would like some intimate adult company. Tell them you are friendly, and generous. They will likely ask what that generous part means. You tell them that naturally you would like to reward them for their friendly company but since you don't know them well, instead of buying them a present you would like to give them some money (tell them how much. 200 mil, 250 mil whatever you think might tempt them) and then they can buy a gift that they really like and just remember that it was from you. Works like a charm. They see this as a respectful offer that doesn't make them lose self-esteem and doesn't brand them.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Osteoknot;2729689]If you are walking out in public and you literally see a single chica on the sidewalk you must have, introduce yourself and ask her, "Quieres ser mi novia por 2 horas if?" or does she wants to be your girlfriend for _ hours (fill in the number). If she say yes, act immediately if possible to reduce the chance you will get flaked if she wants to meet you somewhere else later. You're welcome.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJHeywood;2743461]... I've scrapped the weekend idea, and will go with 5-7 so I'm looking for a close, 1st SA trip. ...[/QUOTE]Lowered expectation will be good for you. The clubs you mentioned are not known for good service despite higher price. If you have low expectation in service, then it should work out fine.

I agree with you. I loved the small border town.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2743489]Bogota is the only city in Colombia that has a larger scene than Medellin. I started going to Bogota in 2018 and Medellin in 2020. However Santa Fe, in my opinion, isn't as good as it used to be. The best girls have come to medellin to work. Also medellin is much more navigable with its state of the art metro & metro cable system. Medellin has alot more to offer in the form of extracurricular activities too such as swimming pools, etc. If you're in Bogota you have to go to Melgar for good swimming pools.

And I know no one here agrees with me but I do like Cucuta as a third option although the weather there is hot and humid, but they have a thriving scene on la septima and lower prices and lots of vennies.[/QUOTE]

Yes, they do have Sort of a Menu with soft Drinks and Beer. Prices range about 4 k peso for a coke to 10 k peso for international beer (Heineken, Corona). Club Colombia or Aguila (the local beers) are 6 k peso. Didn't see shots or cocktails. The girls don't tend to drink anyway. And there is no real Bar as in a strip club. It's more like the girls bring you whatever you ask for to the room and they take care of you. It's not a terrible idea to have a drink there. Knock yourself out.

In general, when I visit a third world country anywhere in the world, I never never drink shots or cocktails unless I'm with people I really know. But instead I always order beer only and I have the waiters open it where I can see it. In Thailand eg they always open the beer in front of your eyes.

Regarding appointment: if you go to the Ella's Erotic website and take the whatsapp-contact from there, you'll talk to the mistress of the casa. But you can also find the advertisements of the individual girls in mileroticos, pasionprepagos and such. There are the numbers of the girls directly and you do really talk to them individually via WhatsApp.

I'd recommend making an appointment for the same day talking to the girls. You can always leave if you don't like her but just be polite. They would surely do a lineup as well. For that, I might recommend asking the mistress when all of them are there and then just drop by.

The area around Ella's erotic is totally fine to walk around. So no worries at all. However there are not really nice bars or restaurants as in Laurelis (I'm talking western standard higher end). Instead, you'll find there regular Latin style restaurants, just not such a nice atmosphere but fine to sit, wait for the girls to be free, have a brew.

[QUOTE=Miguee;2743403]Amazing info, thanks!

Two quick questions:

Did any of the casas offer bar / liquour service (is this a terrible idea)?

With Ella's, did you have to set an appointment beforehand or will they do a lineup?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AlphaLife001;2725584]
I always got to know the girls in a language appthe ones in Brazil in Colombia but the app is basically rounded now.
[/QUOTE]Hi Friend, which language app were you refering to? Thanks.

Awesome info. Thanks man!

[QUOTE=AlphaLife001;2743651]Yes, they do have Sort of a Menu with soft Drinks and Beer. Prices range about 4 k peso for a coke to 10 k peso for international beer (Heineken, Corona). Club Colombia or Aguila (the local beers) are 6 k peso. Didn't see shots or cocktails. The girls don't tend to drink anyway. And there is no real Bar as in a strip club. It's more like the girls bring you whatever you ask for to the room and they take care of you. It's not a terrible idea to have a drink there. Knock yourself out.

In general, when I visit a third world country anywhere in the world, I never never drink shots or cocktails unless I'm with people I really know. But instead I always order beer only and I have the waiters open it where I can see it. In Thailand eg they always open the beer in front of your eyes.

Regarding appointment: if you go to the Ella's Erotic website and take the whatsapp-contact from there, you'll talk to the mistress of the casa. But you can also find the advertisements of the individual girls in mileroticos, pasionprepagos and such. There are the numbers of the girls directly and you do really talk to them individually via WhatsApp.

I'd recommend making an appointment for the same day talking to the girls. You can always leave if you don't like her but just be polite. They would surely do a lineup as well. For that, I might recommend asking the mistress when all of them are there and then just drop by.

The area around Ella's erotic is totally fine to walk around. So no worries at all. However there are not really nice bars or restaurants as in Laurelis (I'm talking western standard higher end). Instead, you'll find there regular Latin style restaurants, just not such a nice atmosphere but fine to sit, wait for the girls to be free, have a brew.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2743505]Davivienda gives up to 2 million pesos per transaction. The bank does not assess ATM fees. Depending on your deal with the bank that issues your ATM card, you may be charged transaction fees and your per transaction and daily withdrawal limit may be lower than what Davivienda offers.[/QUOTE]2 million sounds great. Wells just charges the $5 per transaction so it hurts at a 300 m limit. I need to check on any amount limits by Wells.

Be advised that Ellas Erotic has more than one location.

[QUOTE=AlphaLife001;2743651]Yes, they do have Sort of a Menu with soft Drinks and Beer. Prices range about 4 k peso for a coke to 10 k peso for international beer (Heineken, Corona). Club Colombia or Aguila (the local beers) are 6 k peso. Didn't see shots or cocktails. The girls don't tend to drink anyway. And there is no real Bar as in a strip club. It's more like the girls bring you whatever you ask for to the room and they take care of you. It's not a terrible idea to have a drink there. Knock yourself out.

In general, when I visit a third world country anywhere in the world, I never never drink shots or cocktails unless I'm with people I really know. But instead I always order beer only and I have the waiters open it where I can see it. In Thailand eg they always open the beer in front of your eyes.

Regarding appointment: if you go to the Ella's Erotic website and take the whatsapp-contact from there, you'll talk to the mistress of the casa. But you can also find the advertisements of the individual girls in mileroticos, pasionprepagos and such. There are the numbers of the girls directly and you do really talk to them individually via WhatsApp.

I'd recommend making an appointment for the same day talking to the girls. You can always leave if you don't like her but just be polite. They would surely do a lineup as well. For that, I might recommend asking the mistress when all of them are there and then just drop by.

The area around Ella's erotic is totally fine to walk around. So no worries at all. However there are not really nice bars or restaurants as in Laurelis (I'm talking western standard higher end). Instead, you'll find there regular Latin style restaurants, just not such a nice atmosphere but fine to sit, wait for the girls to be free, have a brew.[/QUOTE]

MDE Trip Report Sept 3-12:

Changed plan from my well planned BOG trip and back to Medellin since a friend wanted to dip his toes for the first time in medellin.

It's only fair since I've been trying to drag him along for a while. We also hanged with couple others from the flight and couple others who lives there.

This is more like a long summary without all the fluff and day to day or by the minute details, still a full update on what's going on currently in MEDE-JEAN.

- AIRPORT:

My buddy didn't even fill out Check-Mig nor vaccinated and he went right through. Both Airports in the US and Colombia didn't ask him. Whereas for me I had.

To show vax card and check-mig at home Airport, Ok Fine!

This dude is like CIA or some shit since for some reason he always sneaks in somehow or skip certain check points. I'm like dude how the heck they asked me.

And not you? I tried making myself feel better telling him it's like they ignore you when you look lost or like an idiot LOL.

Happens many times during our trip, like we went to exch money, and as you well know you have to show your passport to exchange USD which I did, he came.

Behind me and they just gave him pesos no ID no passport asked, I'm like dude you're too suspect man. While he speaks ZERO espanol LOL.

- EXCHANGE RATE:

I had the best rate at 4243/ USD or so at BBVA, 3950/ USD at Exchange store.

- UBER / TAXIS:

Cheap as always most places $1-$3 USD for Uber. 90 Mil /$32 approx for for Airport rides. They always pull that scam toll "peaje" not incl, this time I caught the fucker.

And said yes the fucking peaje is incl in the fee, when we arrive I will show you in the app if not I'll pay. And of course the toll was there. I still tipped the fucker.

When going to the casas, many of the regular taxis don't know them by name nor can get there even if you give them the address, so I use use Uber and voila!

Thing is not all regular taxi drivers have a cell w GPS, most don't and all Ubers must have GPS obviously.

- HOTEL / FOOD:

We stayed at the most noob friendly place, Hotel Dorado LA 70 due to the area being closed to everything like clubs, restaurants, walking distance to metro, stadium.

Street gym, etc. Can walk everywhere and no influx of dirty gringos LOL. Thankfully my bud is money smart as well and didn't like the El Poblado gringo taxes.

Dorado costs less than $35/ day, baclcony view, hot shower, Cold AC, great staff, very comfy bed, good breakfast, chica friendly even two at once and never a fee.

(booked for 2) - Every biz is nearly opened back up, thurs-sat it's a party city till 4-5 am.

- PRIVATE DATES:

Being in town I had to contact some of my usual wifeys from fb / seeking, and made a new non pro from cupid. Great sessions and always BBBJ / BBFS.

Took buddy along as 3rd wheel at first on some of my dates, then later unsuccessfully dated a friend of one my girls. Lot and lots of Google translate.

And he got points for efforts. Still lots of good times, lunches, dinners, drinks w some friendly pretty faces incl some bartenders. The Paisa hospitality.

Is really warm especially when they know you're new in town. I love the vennies, but there's always something special about the Paisa culture and kindness.

- PARQUE LLERA:

Being Sat afternoon on arrival took buddy straight to Llera and Gusto. Place was lit as always, great music. It was 4 of us and we took a table, 3 Bottles back to back.

Hooka, and I can't lie we had an awesome time. Never saw the extra wing-men from that night and one basically married the baddie he met at Gusto.

Most girls were asking $500 USD, then would go down to $300 USD. The lowest quote I had was 500 Mil pesos for 1 HR. My friend and I didn't partake and went on the.

Street and bought two girls w us at 200-250 Mil.

Llera street chicas start at 300 Mil, once you give that "oh really" look they'll either quickly go down to 200 and you can negotiate to 150 especially if a centro rat -.

And if not a centro common dickslinger they'll stick to the 300/250 at the lowest.

You can easily tell by the way they dress, if they've been inside the clubs drinking. Also centro groupies are either not allowed in the clubs, not welcomed being among.

Diff girls or just not their scene.

With the mix of diff chicas, had to school buddy on the basics and on the pricing dynamics. I recognized many former conquests, which I've banged for 30 k, one I paid an.

Upcharge of only 10 k to go bareback incl leche in mouth, and here she was at Llera asking new fools for 300 k, she saw me and we laughed. Had to warn buddy about her.

That she'll eat your dick at centro incl putting a baby in her for a total of 40 k.

Lots of schooling and lots of tutoring. As you can imagine first time is always overwhelming, even on the ride back home in the plane dude was talking aloud about.

His puta adventures w passengers. - was so embarrassing to the point I pretended I didn't know him LOL.

He was taking pictures w putas from the casas and posting and sending to his friends, talking about that shit everywhere. Fool's in his 30's and I had to check in that.

Behavior quick by showing him articles about Cuba-Dave who's banned from DR and CR incl prison time, and Colombia Jake who got sentenced till he took his life in Prison.

Here all for promoting prostitution and sex tourism in social media and online. Had to tell that fool it's not something you want to promote.

Then I remember why I never bring younger friends to this shit even when they beg, Dudes act like they never get laid or seen pussy. Seriously. At llera I'm not sure.

If it was alcohol but mofo was near insane. Kinna like you can tell if and when he finally goes somewhere alone he'll likely get drugged or robbed. When it happens no one can blame me LOL.

Too many Loud mouths and Weekend Warriors or wannbes at Llera like most are reporting. So we only hanged at Gusto that night, then couple other nights we walkd around a bit.

But not inside the clubs w so much foolishness and overpriced chicas. It's funny you'll see 6 dudes in your so called cheap vip chairs, 1 or 2 overpriced chicas, then they'll all leave without chicas.

Or only 1 chica for the whole group LOL. I did the same at Gusto cause that shit is crazy what they're asking. Like Imma let you give me free lap dances since your sipping on my drinks, and get me.

Horny and ready then I'll go to centro lmao. I guess I'm one of those dirty gringos.

- STRIP CLUBS:

Great time at Face II, Bottle, lap dances, exchange numbers and met a chica outside of club, great time. I walk up to the stage and dropped few bills to my fav dancer on the floor, then started getting lots of attention.

I may have done so on purpose, to get all chicas to come to me so I can feel them LOL. Don't steal my game LOL. 300 K is normal rate 40 minutes in club. If she likes you will spend 2 hrs w you in hotel. And I paid 250 LOL.

But w / the drinks, tips I spent like 700 k. But honestly I would pay that anytime for this kinna thrill, dancing, feeling and touching bare breasts, the attention, sneaky fingering, shiiiiit.

- INTRO TO EL CENTRO:

This didn't feel like I was tutoring because now I'm home LOL. Walkd around entire Centro area, visited nearly all the strip clubs and I nearly fell in love w one of the WG there. New rate in El centro street is 50 Mil.

Some askd for 40 Mil.

Conejitas is still 100 Mil to bang, cheap beers like 5 k in most clubs, Barra EJ is 120 k / bang. Some of the others are like 70 k.

Had 3 rounds w a cutie from Conejitas, blanca and she came to the hotel, half a day, 280 k / One of the best time and highlight. BBBJ, very passionate. We had drinks and hanged w buddy. She was cool and even.

Invited me to her home to give us tours. My boy also banged few from Barra Ej, late eves after 11 P lots of beauties even 8's.

I enjoy the lap dances and I normally get lots of eyes on me since I tip, locals don't tip much but I didn't give a shit. Two locals joined my table and offerd drugs, I decl and offerd to tip his two girls he had w him.

Both came and danced w pants down, they werent even working there LOL. Yes I'm crazy. Dude couldn't stop calling me after that since we exch numbers but I didn't answer. I'm sure he wantd to sell me dope.

And pimp his girls. I leave a mark wherever I go LOL.

In centro you can still find the 30 Mil rate or negotiate but why would you, you Goddamn cheap bastards LOL. We're talking less than $8 and I call it free sex.

Centro street quality didn't look too impressive at first, but we did finally see some solid 7-8's near the stairs from the street Cra 53.

Centro imo still has the best MDE has to offer if you're on a budget or just enjoy street hunting like myself. 40-50 k for fuck's sake!! The only problem you'll have in Centro is not enough viagra or running out of leche.

- CASAS:

We visited New Life, Club Amiga de Sexy, Zandaly, Energy, Eros (24 hrs). Many more good ones that we didn't have time. We sessioned on all, Energy is till the best imo although the girls tend to be more mechanical there.

Had the best GFE and friendliness at Club amiga de sexy. I don't care about sharing specific names and numbers in reports or exact addresses. Mongering requires some efforts imo. All of these address are not only avail here.

But all over google for fuck's sake.

I have data always when overseas, I couldn't emphasize enough how convenient it is to be able to use Google maps to find places. I knew more places than some of the locals / chicas like finding restaurants.

Can call Uber to pick them up to / from their home etc. So have some type of data plan. I use GoogleFi, unlimited Intl Data / Sms / Calls for 2 lines, less than 100 bucks.

- SUMMARY:

Overwall it was a great and successful trip. Although Medellin became a bit more popular / saturated after being the most relaxed country during the past two yrs with Covid.

It still can be fun if you make it. SA / Tinder / Cupid / FB are still ok to use but imo not necessary and can be a waste of time and requires a lot of patience.

Since my spanish has really improved, I can now walk up to any girl in the mall or in la 70 and starting talking. I noticed in Col you have to approach the girls (non pros).

I learned this even harder this trip, they don't like to be called or signaled like we do the WG. This is coming from them LOL.

So approcah gently, and introduce yourself and the rest is on you. Try learning about the locals, culture, casas, el centro, or don't be timid if you don't speak spanish. Don't listen to fear.

For ex even taxi drivers will talk shit like oh Centro is peligroso blah blah, then when you get there nothing will happen to you unless you're drunk or stupid, just like any place on the planet.

First you shouldn't even travel if you're so affraid of mingling w locals. Gringos can't teach me shit about Colombia nor improve my Spanish LOL.

Make some efforts to approach the locals and you'll still have a great time. I befriend new locals every trip, couple girls took us to some lounges I'd never know about, not a single gringo in sight.

And ended up making more friends there. One of my semi-pros told me her sis had problems, took me a min to realize it was a referral, even prettier, met and banged and took care of that need.

If you treat them well, WG, Semi, Non pros, they'll treat you right in return. It's a big country so don't be stuck in just the RLD or El Poblado. Bogota is still my fav, but MDE is not dead yet.