American Politics

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998625]ElhTooms, it's not worth the effort. These righties only believe what Breitbart and Faux News tell them. They actually believe that Obama was a worse President than George W. Bush. Can you imagine how ill-informed someone has to be to draw that conclusion? They forget that it was on Bush's watch that the most successful foreign attack on USA Soil ever took place, and the reason it took place is because the Bushies ignored the Clinton administration's warning that Al Qaida was the single greatest threat to USA Security. And then Bush / Cheney invaded the wrong country, because they had a hard-on for Iraqi oil, and that catastrophe has given us what is today known as ISIS. And only THEN did Bush preside over the worst economic collapse to befall this country since the Great Depression in 1929 through the 1930's. A collapse so severe that over 1/2 of the entire aggregate wealth of Americans was wiped out. Oh, and BTW, that aggregate wealth was fully restored, and then some, during the 8 years of the Obama Presidency. But god forbid, people had to actually buy adequate health insurance under Obama, rather than free-ride on the system with only ER care and catastrophic coverage that was useless if they actually needed it.

And they think that Donald Trump is THEIR savior, not the most corrupt, ill-prepared, fraudulent charlatain ever to hold the office. A guy who Vladamir Putin put into office, and who is an unstable narcissist who is so hung up by the facts that Obama had a bigger crowd at his inauguration, and lost the popular vote by 3 Million citizens (but only the citizens of the well educated states) that he can't even focus on rolling out his first major promise without fucking it up by letting Stephen Bannon try to extend it to Green-Card holders, and as a result, got it blocked in court.[/QUOTE]You're right, it's simply not worth the effort or time. People are either bright enough to read, understand and analyze facts and historical trends or they're not. Nothing you can say is going to make them any more intelligent. Further, since Trump supporters appear to inhabit a "fact-free" anti-science, a-historical universe, logical argumentation falls on deaf ears as you're arguing with folks who either do not understand logic and / or who automatically reject anything that doesn't confirm their warped world view. The bottom line for me is that enough people bought into the lunatic rantings of a sociopath who is now our president. That's sad and perhaps it will turn out to be tragic; however, his supporters are the lemmings of US politics and will follow him blindly over the cliff, chanting "American First" (whatever the hell that means) while plummeting to their deaths. So the trick, in my view, is to ignore the orange-skinned buffoon's visage to the extent possible, create your own little world into which his tiny fingers cannot intrude, and avoid confrontations that you cannot win. As a case in point, you might want to read the following:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/the-latest-voter-fraud-lie.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0

GE.

Do you progressives actually read the propaganda and intolerance you post? Do you even care? None of you want to have a serious debate on the issues. I have tried a couple times to elevate the conversation with GE and he backs away every time. Everything you guys say about non-progressives is true about yourselves; you are intolerant, biased, doctrinaire as well as truly misinformed. I am sorry for the name calling, but you guys started it and you won't stop even though you claim otherwise.

I have one question for you geniuses; which side do you think is more tolerant of our little hobby. Progressives or conservatives? Do you not realize that what we like to do with young Asian girls is a capital sin in the Church of the Holy Progressive and church elders would make it a crime if they had the power which sadly you are only too willing to grant them? You are cutting your own throats.

P.S. Since you guys cannot give up on the insults and refuse to have honest debates, I propose this thread be closed. The ISG is about sex not politics. The insults you guys instinctively hurl around are only going to get uglier and uglier. I would like to stay above the fray and not post here, but some of the BS you guys post can't be ignored. I used to think some of you guys were good people, but your intolerant political beliefs are making this assumption impossible to maintain. I understand that this is a sign of the times. Red shirt vs Yellow shirts, but we really should try to keep this crap out of the forum or else there will be open hostilities! Isn't what brings us together Poontang? Sadly we have reached the point where the left and the right in America cannot talk to one another about politics. Eventually one side will prevail. I sincerely hope it is not your side because we will all be a lot worse off if the left wins this fight.

I wish you all the freedom to pursue your dreams and goals. Too bad you do not wish the same for me.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1998618]What on Earth have you "suffered" [/QUOTE]To Smoothy, 2041, ge and all the other liberal idiots: the USA has suffered from record unemployment, record debt, record bureaucracy and record crime to name a few things. These are some of the reasons why obummer will go down as the worst president in the history of the USA. That and releasing known terrorist criminals so they can plan their next attack. Geez are you really THAT STUPID not to know this? His healthcare system was a disaster from inception. Of course you democrap dolts will fudge the numbers and pick your own nitnoy counterpoints -- fart factoids to disguise this reality. Choke on your beer you worthless pukes. Trump won. Deal with it. Stop whining like a baby with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] and shit in your [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] and in your minds.

Thanks, Natty. I think you you are right on all counts. This thread should be closed as it is not relevant to our hobby and it only exacerbates ill will among normally goodwilled individuals. If ge and others can keep their mouths shut on this topic I will, too.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1998749]Do you progressives actually read the propaganda and intolerance you post? Do you even care? None of you want to have a serious debate on the issues. I have tried a couple times to elevate the conversation with GE and he backs away every time. Everything you guys say about non-progressives is true about yourselves; you are intolerant, biased, doctrinaire as well as truly misinformed. I am sorry for the name calling, but you guys started it and you won't stop even though you claim otherwise.

I have one question for you geniuses; which side do you think is more tolerant of our little hobby. Progressives or conservatives? Do you not realize that what we like to do with young Asian girls is a capital sin in the Church of the Holy Progressive and church elders would make it a crime if they had the power which sadly you are only too willing to grant them? You are cutting your own throats.

P.S. Since you guys cannot give up on the insults and refuse to have honest debates, I propose this thread be closed. The ISG is about sex not politics. The insults you guys instinctively hurl around are only going to get uglier and uglier. I would like to stay above the fray and not post here, but some of the BS you guys post can't be ignored. I used to think some of you guys were good people, but your intolerant political beliefs are making this assumption impossible to maintain. I understand that this is a sign of the times. Red shirt vs Yellow shirts, but we really should try to keep this crap out of the forum or else there will be open hostilities! Isn't what brings us together Poontang? Sadly we have reached the point where the left and the right in America cannot talk to one another about politics. Eventually one side will prevail. I sincerely hope it is not your side because we will all be a lot worse off if the left wins this fight.

I wish you all the freedom to pursue your dreams and goals. Too bad you do not wish the same for me.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1998758]To Smoothy, 2041, ge and all the other liberal idiots: the USA has suffered from record unemployment, record debt, record bureaucracy and record crime to name a few things. These are some of the reasons why obummer will go down as the worst president in the history of the USA. That and releasing known terrorist criminals so they can plan their next attack. Geez are you really THAT STUPID not to know this? His healthcare system was a disaster from inception. Of course you democrap dolts will fudge the numbers and pick your own nitnoy counterpoints -- fart factoids to disguise this reality. Choke on your beer you worthless pukes. Trump won. Deal with it. Stop whining like a baby with shit in your pants and in your minds.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but when you start your ranting off with the ludicrous ignorant stupidity that Obama is the worst President in history, when there's not a single objective metric to support that he's even the worst President in the last 3, you have no credibility from the get-go, and you disqualify yourself from having any sort of intelligent discussion on the matter. We ARE dealing with Trump having been given the Presidency by Vladamir Putin and propaganda from Breitbart. Actually what we're doing is making damn sure that when Trump takes the USA down in massive failure, that our own futures are not jeopardized. I've already got property in another country, and a fully thought through exit strategy from the nation in decline that is the USA The fact is, I was ready to blow the bolts on the USA by the end of the Bush administration. I stuck around because Barack Obama vastly improved my life by improving my access to healthcare, and causing my net worth to double what it had been at the end of the Bush Presidency. The fact is, Obamacare has already saved my life, and Obama's fiscal policies doubled my wealth, so I don't need to give any credence to the uninformed rantings of the right. Enjoy the mess you and your orange savior is in the process of creating. I won't need to stick around for it, but I'll certainly be entertained by it from elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998799]I won't need to stick around for it, but I'll certainly be entertained by it from elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Totally encourage such moves. Vote with your feet. More civilized and peaceful. Unfortunately, the US laws and policies are being influence by non citizens, as in people with no skin in the game. When you find a better country or system, please let me know.

You must be some whacked out drug dealer, 2041. Good riddance.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998799] Barack Obama vastly improved my life by improving my access to healthcare, and causing my net worth to double what it had been , [/QUOTE].

I will just say this word is there are a lot of angry people in Latin America right now. One example is CBP is asking DR and other Latin America citizens to sign forms and renounce their American citizenships and they will pay for there flights free back to their home country. If you run around in those countries saying you love what Trump stands for you could become a target. Understand people are not happy with their families who live here being harrassed. Just saying do not run down there talking tough or you might not come back.

Better yet, wear the "Make America Great" hat in Latin America and the Carribean and I am sure people will welcome you with open arms. Ask yourself this question if you had an OBAMA hat on their would you be afraid. You know what happens if you wear the other hat.

Just think we are going back to being hated again and not safe to travel. Do you think Latin America police would ever save you if they knew you loved trump. They will say good luck your going to need it.

One last thing, i would not be running to cuba chasing chicks if i was American. You just might be made an example of because they know no one will save you. When you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off foreign countries you become a target if you travel there. Tread lightly.

[QUOTE=DCups;1998851]You must be some whacked out drug dealer, 2041. Good riddance.

.[/QUOTE]Nope, just a self-employed diabetic, who couldn't get insurance due to that pre-existing condition prior to Obamacare. The fact that you don't even grasp that 20 million people who had pre-existing conditons couldn't get medical insurance prior to Obamacare, and were able to once the Affordable Healthcare Act got passed, is a textbook example of the sort of ignorance that pervades the Trumpettes. And my net worth doubled because the Stock Market more than doubled and the Real Estate market recovered. Each of those markets collapsed under George W. Bush, and Obama restored them to solvency. Sorry to hear that you didn't actually own a stock portfolio or a home during the robust economic recovery that Obama presided over, but that's not surprising, as most poor uneducated trash didn't.

[QUOTE=Revere;1998865]I will just say this word is there are a lot of angry people in Latin America right now. One example is CBP is asking DR and other Latin America citizens to sign forms and renounce their American citizenships and they will pay for there flights free back to their home country. If you run around in those countries saying you love what Trump stands for you could become a target. Understand people are not happy with their families who live here being harrassed. Just saying do not run down there talking tough or you might not come back.[/QUOTE]No biggie, this is just Darwin in action, and Trumpettes don't believe in Evolution.

You must have a hearing disability, too, in addition to mental retardation. I own a home, a business, plenty of stock and have a PhD. Lay off the sugar -- you seem quite unbalanced. Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave the country like all the other liberals promised to do.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998866]. Sorry to hear that you didn't actually own a stock portfolio or a home during the robust economic recovery that Obama presided over, but that's not surprising, as most poor uneducated trash didn't.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=DCups;1998880]You must have a hearing disability, too, in addition to mental retardation. I own a home, a business, plenty of stock and have a PhD. Lay off the sugar -- you seem quite unbalanced. Don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave the country like all the other liberals promised to do.

.[/QUOTE]So answer this: How the fuck did YOUR net worth not double under Obama's Presidency? Obviously, it didn't, because you stated that because mine did, I must be a drug dealer. You must be a complete fucking imbecile to not have made money while holding a stock portfolio under Obama, and not have your house go UP in value under Obama. PhD notwithstanding, only idiots and people who had no assets of significance did not have their financial situation improve as a result of the Obama presidency. And since you HAD assets, idiocy is the only other explanation.

Sorry you missed it when Obama turned the U.S. economy, which was a falling knife he inherited when taking office, and his policies saved it. I appreciate the level of resentment you must have, what with a graduate degree, business and home ownership, and yet you STILL managed to fucking miss out on the most dramatic economic turnaround in 75 years. If I had fucked up that badly, I'd be resentful of everyone else who didn't too. I get it, you have my sympathy. Meanwhile, if you and your ilk and your orange savior DO manage to take the U.S. down the shitter, I won't have to go swirling down the drain with you.

My financial, professional and educational success has nothing to do with anything obummer did or didn't do. Hard work and intelligence TRUMPS lazy freeloading liberalism despite all odds. Geez even people in the depression got rich. Please take your meds 2041 before you blow a gasket and become 0000.

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998886]So answer this: How the fuck did YOUR net worth not double under Obama's Presidency? Obviously, it didn't, because you stated that because mine did, I must be a drug dealer. You must be a complete fucking imbecile to not have made money while holding a stock portfolio under Obama, and not have your house go UP in value under Obama. PhD notwithstanding, only idiots and people who had no assets of significance did not have their financial situation improve as a result of the Obama presidency.[/QUOTE].

Yes, 2041, congratulations, you have made me a believer of the missing link. Will you leave the USA Now?

[QUOTE=Member#2041;1998870]No biggie, this is just Darwin in action, and Trumpettes don't believe in Evolution.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DCups;1998895]My financial, professional and educational success has nothing to do with anything obummer did or didn't do. Hard work and intelligence TRUMPS lazy freeloading liberalism despite all odds. Geez even people in the depression got rich. Please take your meds 2041 before you blow a gasket and become 0000.

.[/QUOTE]The simple, objective fact is, YOU stated that because my net worth doubled under Obama, I must be a whacked out drug dealer. The ONLY rational conclusion that can be drawn from that statement is that you, not being a drug dealer, failed to achieve anything remotely approaching that level of financial success during the Obama Presidency. Which, since you owned stock, and a home, and a business, yet FAILED to achieve significant financial gains during the Obama administration, are clearly a completely incompetent imbecile.

In case you missed it, and obviously, you did, the Stock market increased by about 150% during the Obama Presidency. After declining significantly during the Bush Presidency. Home Equity also dramatically improved during the Obama Presidency, after declining precipitously during the last 3 years of the Bush Presidency. The simple fact is, Obama deserves a portion of the credit for those things. If YOU gained from those things, you DO owe some of that to Obama. And if you DIDN'T gain from those things, you must be the dumbest stock, home, and business-owning PhD to ever come down the pike. Which would certainly explain the resentment and jealousy you feel toward others at your own inadequacy and incompetence. In any case, we're done here, because you're clearly too stupid to grow intellectually. And BTW, I have advanced degrees too, most likely from better schools than yours, but I don't bother trying to flog them as a means of trying to validate otherwise moronic comments that I've made on the internet to my intellectual superiors, as you do. Sorry that I struck a nerve.