Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2464371]Rarely do I read something on this forum which I disagree on nearly 100%, but MasterMonger managed that feat. Congratulations. I won't bother to respond.

But with such 'ideas' floating around in USA, I now totally understand how and why covid-19 spreads so much faster in USA than it does in Europe![/QUOTE]Not only for record for deaths, but also since 4 months soon and still spreading and even under high heat in southern states, but did You hear them claiming they are stronger than virus, when they have so many obese, diabetic and poor which is kind of disease versus this virus, even poor Africa which have ancestors manage much better. I think this virus show what they are, with a really crazy Trump which give a really bad image. Of course, I follow You about China which is a danger for our health safety for me and when I see about Hong Kong. I know G7 countries are in own trouble, but I m surprised no reaction versus China. I m also a bit surprised about Germany being in trouble after confined, because when I stopped on first time to take gas on my way to Zurich, woman on desk, even with glass on desk, told me: German law is to put on mask in shops, now I put, I see everybody putting on when entering, nevertheless even with brothels still closed, they have some places in trouble. On Saturday morning, returning from Switzerland, it was real German invasion in France, for their holidays, looking for our sun, good point for our tourism, when we don t manage so bad to control our R0 after end of confined, except in Guyane but close to Brazil. Official figures at the moment tell about 500 000 deaths, for sure we know China with less than 5000 are far below truth, when US claim they have less for real than their own figures, but they don t know much for around 50 millions people living in their country. Maybe truth is more around close to 1 million and not finished when we see Brazil, India, still US after 4 months, Pekin Beijing.

Anyone notice that there has been a huge spike in cases in Romania throughout June? Their numbers have always been low but the trend is concerning since they're starting to come back to work.

I live in Belgium and I'm frequently in Germany for business, when I used to combine business with pleasure and make a quick visit of an FKK. Trough Asian colleagues, I found out soon about the "Wuhan virus" (as it was known then) and in January I made my last visit to Sharks.

Every time since reopening the border I'm in Germany, I get nostalgic and I get that weird, lonely and horny feeling in my stomach when I get see "Darmstadt" on the roadsigns in the recent months, and I remember the good times I had there. I'm sort of curious to make a small trip to check it out, but I know I can also save myself the fuel, because deep inside I know it will be closed and empty.

Judging from the Germans I talk to, many expect a second wave in the Autumn, and I doubt the clubs will be able to open this year. According to my German colleagues, although Germany is slowly opening up, many restrictions are still in effect, such as registering when visiting a gym (physical activity, like sex) and 1,5 m distancing. Some of my German colleagues practice judo / boxing and those classes are still cancelled, or are limited to only body weight exercises like push ups, squats, burpees etc, all 3 m apart! (during sports, the minimum distance is increased to 3 m).

I also hope things will open up soon because I desperately need a sexual release, but not because of a vaccine as this will involve totalitarian measures like government tracking apps on your phone, with blackmail potential, but because people have finally come to their senses.

Yes, this is an unknown virus and yes I understand we should treated it with caution in the beginning. Nevertheless, IMHO we have to start seeing things in a realistic perspective again.

Despite all the millions of cases, none of my friends, relatives, colleagues knows anyone who has caught CV19 yet, all of us had the 'flu' during the last 6-7 months, and for the overwhelming majority the symptoms are very mild and even non-symptomatic. Some people die of the normal flu every year. Why didn't we shut down the entire world for that? Some people die of bee-stings every year, why is there no lockdown for that? People die in car crashes, so why not shut down all roads?

It's time to become realistic and start using common sense again: protect the vulnerable (old) people with weak immune systems and underlying health issues, but allow the rest of the world to live our lives without mandatory vaccines and mandatory tracking apps!

[QUOTE=Tuber19;2464423]I'm on the same boat, last trip 5 days at Sharks was on late February 2020 , I made my mind that next visit will be October / November 2020.

But all of sudden i feel now that I want to go As soon as possible, and I guess its the idea of ((deciding not to go VS can't go even if you want)) is the major motive for my feelings.

Hope this pandemic will END soon, with a vaccine hopefully.[/QUOTE]You had similar schedule to me and similar schedule on mind, but for me, I did my 2020 mongering in early Feb., so I wait until next year when corona is over. Most likely, I be in FKK next year toward the end of year, if corona is over.

I think, there is no need to risk your health to monger.

Yet for some reason, death [B]rate[/B] in the US is not even the highest. Look at those terrible health care countries that have higher death rates per population: France, Belgium, Sweden, UK, Italy, Spain, etc. They really should work on their healthcare systems.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2464477]Not only for record for deaths, but also since 4 months soon and still spreading and even under high heat in southern states, but did You hear them claiming they are stronger than virus, when they have so many obese, diabetic and poor which is kind of disease versus this virus, even poor Africa which have ancestors manage much better. I think this virus show what they are, with a really crazy Trump which give a really bad image.[/QUOTE]

Especially the mental health care, we have terrible cases of mental disorders in France. Guys with very restricted interests or repetitive behavior patterns.

[QUOTE=Adindas;2464374]I am planning punting again as soon as doable. So, to me I will take COVID-19 jab as soon as it is available. I will ensure that I will not infect other people. Also, I could do punting without being worried to be infected by other people.[/QUOTE]So you will wait until you take jab from the State before you jab girls.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2464533]Yet for some reason, death [B]rate[/B] in the US is not even the highest. Look at those terrible health care countries that have higher death rates per population: France, Belgium, Sweden, UK, Italy, Spain, etc. They really should work on their healthcare systems.[/QUOTE]Death rate high does not mean bad health care. Most of these countries have high life expectancy. There are within top 30 and better than US. So more old people more death and that messes up the overall ratio.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2464493]Anyone notice that there has been a huge spike in cases in Romania throughout June? Their numbers have always been low but the trend is concerning since they're starting to come back to work.[/QUOTE]Yes I have noticed. It's a spike in Moldavia too. Makes me more reluctant to go if the clubs open up even though not all girls have been back home. For example Ester, Denisa and Serena seems to be on a little tour round South Hessen.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2464533]Yet for some reason, death [B]rate[/B] in the US is not even the highest. Look at those terrible health care countries that have higher death rates per population: France, Belgium, Sweden, UK, Italy, Spain, etc. They really should work on their healthcare systems.[/QUOTE]That's not the correct information to estimate death rate because of Covid19. In Belgium, for example, they include as Covid19 deaths even those that are simply suspected to have been caused bby Covid19. The only way to verify the death rate due to Covid is to look at excess deaths for each country compared to the previous two years. Based on the correct data, UK has the highest death rate in the world at the moment.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2464337]Secondly, even if death is not the end result, prolonged-debilitating illness in an otherwise healthy young adult is often the case with covid19. The economic cost of millions of otherwise healthy, young adults being out of the workforce due to a 2-3 week illness will in itself be rather costly.[/QUOTE]That is not true sir, COVID-19 affecting young or healthy people is an anomaly and it could just be they were not as healthy as they thought. Also, Any virus or disease that attacks ACE2 receptors can cause organ damage to anyone with weak or compromised immune systems or a weak or damaged organ that is not a special feature of COVID-19. Go do some research and you will learn that is true.

Of course I understand that according to their logic that if COVID-19 weakened the immune system to a point that it could not handle the constant invasion of billions of germs we face every second of our lives, then COVID-19 is considered the root cause or a multiple cause of death.

Let me explain why that is bad! You could cut your finger and the infection it causes could easily lower your immune system to a point where pneumonia could take hold, although trauma should be reported the root cause in this sometimes it is still reported as pneumonia. Usually as stated in any document written about COVID-19 you need to already have a weak immune system or an underlying problem before anything else can happen because in most cases your immune system is easily able to wipe out COVID-19. Breathing with a Paper cloth mask on greatly increases your chance of developing pneumonia and brain deficiencies because you are rebreathing CO2 and not getting enough clean oxygen to kill the germs in your lungs or feed your brain fresh oxygen so it can produce ozone in the brain to heal itself. Oxygen is the most miraculous element on the planet and oxygen combined with the right green leafy vegetables and 120 minutes of exercise a week especially jumping on a trampoline for 15 minutes a day can make your immune system super human and the trampoline will activate your lymphatic system. For people who do this everyday, even the once dreaded HIV is not really a problem unless you put too much bad stuff in your body like Sugar, Drugs, Alcohol, and tobacco.

Now if you are reporting pneumonia and influenza deaths as COVID-19 deaths and we look at the numbers last year and 60,000 died from influenza and 40,000 died from pneumonia and this year pneumonia and influenza deaths are way down then how can we determine the actual threat caused by COVID-19. Now if you read some of the other posts I have posted you would know that almost 80% of the deaths reported in New York State in the last 120 days have been COVID-19 related. Also the Doctors are now being allowed to fill out the death certificates completely and sign them themselves. We know hospitals get paid for each reported case, each respirator case, and each death. New York has 32,000 COVID-19 deaths which is equal to 40 of the other 49 states combined. New York only has 6% of the US population but they have 24% of the deaths and the other 52% of total deaths is among only 9 states The final 24% is spread among 40 states. Many states went out of lockdown months ago.

So, unless you can find something that factually says Covid-19 "will" "not can or could" cause long term organ damage then there is no threat from COVID-19 to people with strong immune systems. If you are old are weak you can take precautions but I recommend a spit guard or an actually non-cloth mask that allows you to breath fresh oxygen.

Please do research! We need to draw a line in the sand and make our governments aware this will not be tolerated. If not, what is coming in the future will be much worse. The minute we accept quarantining and marshal law as the norm we have already become slaves. Now, if in the future a virus comes along and kills more than 1% of the world population or 78,000,000 people then we can talk about possible quarantines as long as every victim's name is made public for verification. 132,000 people supposedly dead in America but I don't know one and I don't know anybody who knows one.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2464331]Your comment about pricing is quite interesting and worrying. I don't know about those guys who have been paying 150 per hour, but I intend to go back to pre-lockdown prices. That said, what if the clubs that survive this believe they need to raise prices in order to remain sustainable as going concerns?[/QUOTE]Back in 2016, I knew a German WG who advertised on Kaufmich for 150 per hour. I noticed that she would work in the clubs for 100 per hour. And she jumped back and forth between the two formats before finally settling back in the clubs permanently. My guess is at the 150 per hour price point, she received much less volume, so at least on a per day basis the FKK clubs were more lucrative.

But in July 2020, I am not sure if those conditions still hold true. I suspect ex-FKK WGs can charge 150 per hour as privates and still get brisk volume, allowing them to make just as much if not more than when they worked the FKK clubs. It is currently a seller's market. There are not many cheaper alternatives. The FKK clubs where men could readily find sex for 100 EUR per hour remain closed (unless one is willing to drive to NL). Additionally, there is less supply in Frankfurt because many WGs have still not returned to DE.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2464332]Of course, they can always print more dollars. As I said, we are lucky because US is able to print money out of thin air and not suffer the consequences (for now).[/QUOTE]Okay sounds like you are saying the massive stimulus is artificially propping up the finances of the average American. What happens when they pull the plug on that? Civil unrest? If yes, that would affect the portfolios of the white collar Americans as well, right? As I said, 40 million Europeans received economic assistance, so Europeans have not suffered any consequences (so far). I am waiting for someone to chime in to reassure me otherwise.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2464346]I ramped up and substantially increased my investments in stocks when the market bottomed out, and now I have more money than I have ever had in my entire life. But I'm not strutting around though. It's more like wiping my brow with a "whew"! Because in the beginning I lost a lot of money. But I didn't panic and stuck with basic principles. Buy low! That's what I did (a lot), and I was handsomely rewarded for it. Now I'm totally bearish as there is simply just too much uncertainty in the world today. I'm more than happy for the rest of this year with the big gains I have already realized in 2020. I have done quite well in very scary times. Again, I'm not strutting. It's more like thanking my lucky stars![/QUOTE]Will you move your gains to safer investments? Or risk them getting erased in 2021? Over the past six months, every monger I know has either been relatively unscathed financially or saw their net worth increase. But regarding your point about "uncertainty in the world", I do not know if that luck continues. Like you said once before, the global economy is interconnected, if the economies of EU, USA, or China crash, they bring everyone else down with them.

[QUOTE=Mursenary;2464493]Anyone notice that there has been a huge spike in cases in Romania throughout June? Their numbers have always been low but the trend is concerning since they're starting to come back to work.[/QUOTE]A large percentage of the 1500 infected meat plant workers in NRW were Romanian. Also many Romanian migrant workers are seasonal farm workers. This video shows four of them sleeping in a tiny container: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-meat-industry-conditions/a-54033187[/URL].

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2464651]A large percentage of the 1500 infected meat plant workers in NRW were Romanian. Also many Romanian migrant workers are seasonal farm workers. This video shows four of them sleeping in a tiny container: [URL]https://www.dw.com/en/germany-meat-industry-conditions/a-54033187[/URL].[/QUOTE]This is sad but the video is not opening.