Paris

[QUOTE=Jackyo]When I lived there something like 25 years ago the action was on the Rue St. Denis. The women used to put on a show standing at the doorways to the buildings they worked at.

There was one time I remember one of them stopped traffic while I was walking by because she sat on the sidewalk without any underpants with all of her nice bright pink parts expossed.

There was also action near the Grandes Surfaces (Printemps and Galleries Lafayette) and near the Gare St. Lazare. In fact, I preferred going over near Printemps in the early evening. It was quieter and there was less hustle and bustle.

The Rue St. Denis is also where their fashion industry has its showrooms and sweatshops so it was always an ordeal to walk down it.

Things have gone down hill and I wonder what the scene now looks like, specifically on the Rue St. Denis.

I have been ripped off at Pigalle, specifically being dragged into one of their striptease bars and at the end having a very large bill given to me which I had to pay otherwise risk being beaten up by a gorilla. Plus jamais![/QUOTE]You are right, actually Rue Saint-Denis is clearly where you can find the worst service, the ugliest women, the oldest hookers, the most pressy (?) girls, 8-10 min before hearing "honey can you hurry up". This is not a place where you can spend your money. French style, french touch, acually 90% are arabs fat and old women. Most of them have no class at all, its a shame for a country like France. In my opinion only 2 or 3 womens are worse, but even that 60 euros for 12 minutes shot is really pain in the ass. No pleasure, its again the french style. If you want to have some humanity, check the chinese women, just next to the Rue Saint-Denis. Its starting to have really good girls walking around and a lot of ugly ones too. They are not very young but 2 or 3 nice women that I've met are actually worse try. Some Eastern country girls also start to comeback to business but nothing comparable like 2 years ago.
Pigalle ? Always been a huge ripoff place. For french, having sex means spending 150 euros of champagne before spending another 300 euros for a risky fuck. Again French style. Some people don't know how to make industrial money like Thailand, even with 2 millions unployed.

[quote=kalimero68]you are right, actually rue saint-denis is clearly where you can find the worst service, the ugliest women, the oldest hookers, the most pressy (?) girls, 8-10 min before hearing "honey can you hurry up". this is not a place where you can spend your money. french style, french touch, acually 90% are arabs fat and old women. most of them have no class at all, its a shame for a country like france. in my opinion only 2 or 3 womens are worse, but even that 60 euros for 12 minutes shot is really pain in the ass. no pleasure, its again the french style. if you want to have some humanity, check the chinese women, just next to the rue saint-denis. its starting to have really good girls walking around and a lot of ugly ones too. they are not very young but 2 or 3 nice women that i've met are actually worse try. some eastern country girls also start to comeback to business but nothing comparable like 2 years ago.

pigalle ? always been a huge ripoff place. for french, having sex means spending 150 euros of champagne before spending another 300 euros for a risky fuck. again french style. some people don't know how to make industrial money like thailand, even with 2 millions unployed.[/quote]

you would think because of its reputation that france would be a great place for hobbying but its far from it.

the french are very uptight about their sex and what is available is either not very good or priced out of normal.

its all reflected in their attitude towards food: small portions, expensive but they try to convince you that its of very good quality so its worth the price. the same with their fashions or perfume or wine: small quantities, supposedly high quality, high prices.

contrast this to how things are in germany where just about anything goes (though you might not think so based on their reputation).

you think cars should have 500 horsepower and you should be able to drive without a speed limit if you want to? no problem.

you want a large portion of food, say sausages and sauerkraut? no problem.. and they won't charge you an arm and a leg.

you want to visit an fkk club with a selection of all naked women who would be only too willing to go to bed with you? no problem with that either.. and it also won't cost you an arm and a leg.

i say this as someone who knows france, speaks the language, has lived there and thinks its a great place to visit. paris, in particular, is easily the most beautiful city in the world.

but don't go if you are hobbying. you will just be disappointed (unless you are from the land of the free and the home of the brave and so your basis for comparison is not very good).

i've met frenchmen at fkk clubs in germany and they will confirm this.

i've seen really physically stunning french women on the metro. some are so incredible, they literally would take your breath away just to be in their presence. but... usually they are not in a good mood, difficult to approach.

the french are just naturally glum, i think, and despite the reputation for their joie de vivre, there is a prevailing malaise which dampens the mood overall. there have been articles about how there is a lot of reliance on anti-depressants, etc.. (prozac and the like) in france as their solution to getting out of a funk is to medicate it.

the daily routine in the city can make out neurotic and its a strange thing but the world's most romantic city actually has a high portion of the population who live alone. also a large percentage who live with pets (hence the huge amount of dog doo deposited on the sidewalks daily).

if you must meet french speaking women, go to montreal. sure, their quebecois accents are difficult to understand but they are less inhibited, have better dispositions.

I have some french friends living in Paris...

Believe me or not but All, even the french, are fucking NON french gals.

They are fucking girls from:

- Mainly Africa (Cameroon, Senegal, Mali, Gabon)
- Maghreb (Morrocco, Tunisie)
- Asia (China)

Most of the time, the girls have been picked up on internet (Meetic)

Where are the FRENCH GIRLS ?

[QUOTE=Poupard2000]I have some french friends living in Paris...

Believe me or not but All, even the french, are fucking NON french gals.

They are fucking girls from:

- Mainly Africa (Cameroon, Senegal, Mali, Gabon)
- Maghreb (Morrocco, Tunisie)
- Asia (China)

Most of the time, the girls have been picked up on internet (Meetic)

Where are the FRENCH GIRLS ?[/QUOTE]

they're only doing escort and using French adversiting website.............If you don't speak French, you will never know.

[quote=jackyo]you would think because of its reputation that france would be a great place for hobbying but its far from it.

the french are very uptight about their sex and what is available is either not very good or priced out of normal.

its all reflected in their attitude towards food: small portions, expensive but they try to convince you that its of very good quality so its worth the price. the same with their fashions or perfume or wine: small quantities, supposedly high quality, high prices.

contrast this to how things are in germany where just about anything goes (though you might not think so based on their reputation).

you think cars should have 500 horsepower and you should be able to drive without a speed limit if you want to? no problem.

you want a large portion of food, say sausages and sauerkraut? no problem.. and they won't charge you an arm and a leg.

you want to visit an fkk club with a selection of all naked women who would be only too willing to go to bed with you? no problem with that either.. and it also won't cost you an arm and a leg.

i say this as someone who knows france, speaks the language, has lived there and thinks its a great place to visit. paris, in particular, is easily the most beautiful city in the world.

but don't go if you are hobbying. you will just be disappointed (unless you are from the land of the free and the home of the brave and so your basis for comparison is not very good).

i've met frenchmen at fkk clubs in germany and they will confirm this.

i've seen really physically stunning french women on the metro. some are so incredible, they literally would take your breath away just to be in their presence. but... usually they are not in a good mood, difficult to approach.

the french are just naturally glum, i think, and despite the reputation for their joie de vivre, there is a prevailing malaise which dampens the mood overall. there have been articles about how there is a lot of reliance on anti-depressants, etc.. (prozac and the like) in france as their solution to getting out of a funk is to medicate it.

the daily routine in the city can make out neurotic and its a strange thing but the world's most romantic city actually has a high portion of the population who live alone. also a large percentage who live with pets (hence the huge amount of dog doo deposited on the sidewalks daily).

if you must meet french speaking women, go to montreal. sure, their quebecois accents are difficult to understand but they are less inhibited, have better dispositions.[/quote]

sorry man, but i think that you are completely out of touch!

it is so easy to approach french girls, if only one has a little sensitivity and a little class. i pick up girls everywhere in paris: sidewalk cafes, photo shops, and even grocery stores!

just look at them in the eye, and you will know immediately if if they feel like they want to pay attention to you. then a little smile, an offer of a drink or a meal. if you are a gentleman, then she will probably be in your bed the same evening.

of course, don't pick the bad moments like when they are in the metro going to work. better try your luck at lunch time with the office ladies, or even better: on the fashion boutiques on saturday afternoons.

paris is full of 30ish lonely women.

for escorts, yes, its a worse quality/price ratio than in any other european country. your best bet is a website like [url]www.niamodel.com[/url], that has client feedback.

regards to all. bb.

I completely agree with Bimbo Boy. I have had more "freebie" 30ish women in Paris than in any other country on the planet, sometimes even during very short vists. The sensitivity and interest one shows is the key.

99% of these women are lonely because they are either genuinely without a partner or the partner is busy with a younger faster model! Bimbo Boy I salute your style!

Respect!

Regards, Havanaman

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Sorry man, but I think that you are completely out of touch![/QUOTE]

I lived there and worked there and the whole routine of "Metro-boulot-dodo" is a real drag.

Nice city to visit but daily life is not recommended. It seems that everyone walks around with a black cloud hanging over their heads.

Just my two cents. Every time I go to visit I do so with some trepidation as I don't have overwhelmingly pleasant memories of my time there.. but maybe thats just me.

I've been lurking in this section of the forum for a while reading to see how the scene there has evolved and notice that there is almost no mention of any action involving native French women.

I do my hobbying in Germany. German women are much more approachable, much easier to talk to and they don't have attitudes.

And when I want to meet French women I go to Quebec to meet those whose families left France in the 17th and 18th centuries.

If I were living in Paris, I would use the dating sites to invite girls over from neigbouring countries for long weekends (As I did with a British/Indian/Malaysian girl a few months ago - see my earlier posts). For the price of a ticket and nights out, great fun. Paris might be a drag if you live there, but for girls it's still a magnet.

I still get replies to my offer for a trip to Paris on the dating sites. I was lucky with the girl who came over and stayed with me, as she had one thing in mind - lot's of sex. Problem was, she wanted lots of sex with lots of guys. I took her to a swingers club one night and almost got left behind!

[QUOTE=Piper1]If I were living in Paris, I would use the dating sites to invite girls over from neigbouring countries for long weekends (As I did with a British/Indian/Malaysian girl a few months ago - see my earlier posts). For the price of a ticket and nights out, great fun. Paris might be a drag if you live there, but for girls it's still a magnet.
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Actually, one doesn't need to do that: its' been done already by Tour agencies. They bring girls from the Czech Republic or Romania, and charge French prices (about 150 to 250€ per hour). Everyone is happy because these girls are usually nicer than the French escorts.

None of my friends in Paris are banging the cheapo girls in rue Saint Denis, Bois de Boulogne or Grands Boulevards. They all bang the beautiful eastern Europe escorts ... just like it's in London.

I agree that nothings beats the Quality/Price ratio of the FKK's in Germany.

Exact, several agencies are operating tours in Western Europe with girls from Eastern Europe (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania...) and Paris is one of the main spot.

These girls are usually much nicer and are usually giving good services.

Prices charged are on the WE level from 150 to 250 EUR / hour in Paris, from 150 to 300 GBP / hour in London...

EE girls can make much faster money by working short time in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Grece, Switzerland... than in their home country.

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]Actually, one doesn't need to do that: its' been done already by Tour agencies. They bring girls from the Czech Republic or Romania, and charge French prices (about 150 to 250€ per hour).[/QUOTE]Sure, if you're happy to pay that much for a quickie. I paid 200Euro for her Eurostar ticket, plus about another 200 for dinners, swingers club entry and some lingerie. 400Euro for two days and nights of fun and adventures with an exotic sex maniac seems better value than 250 an hour for a P4P girl, IMHO. ;)

I am usually not posting in this part of the forum, but now I have a business trip to Paris scheduled again next month, and I looked through the posts to see what works in Paris, as far as P4P goes. What I read confirmed what I thought I already knew from previous trips: Paris sucks when it comes to P4P.

[QUOTE=Bimbo Boy]I agree that nothings beats the Quality/Price ratio of the FKK's in Germany.[/QUOTE]

I am very familiar with the German FKK scene, and I agree that you get outstanding service at a very reasonable price. Does anybody know of any place in Paris that is somwhat comparable in quality to the big Frankfurt-area FKKs (Oase, Palace, FKKW)? If yes, please post. [And please accept my apologies beforehand for possibly overlooking posts that report on this already.]

Alternatively I will try my luck again in the amateur scene. But with amateurs the biggest problem is that they want to stick around after the deed :(.

By the way, if you are familiar with the German FKKs, and if you are convinced that it does not get any better than that, please consider looking at Brazil, in particular Rio. I just came back from there, and I am still in a daze. It was a wild wild ride, with GFE that was MUCH better than what one gets at a German FKK.

euro

[QUOTE=Priamos]

The traditional haunts around Metro Strassbourg-St.Denis, Boulevard de Strasbourg and Place de la Republique seem to have changed somewhat (...)
The most promising market segment these days is the Moroccan/Algerian women who hang out, and walk the streets, in the same area. They are mostly old, mostly overweight, but it is among them that a few newcomers and part-timers show up every now and then. [/QUOTE]Quick report on the North-African streetwalkers Priamos talked about

First, a warning : this scene is radically down market, and girls so do not look like high-end Eastern Europen escorts. So if you're into 5 star hotels and blond haired models, dont even bother reading this. ;)

The place : In Paris 10th district (arrondissement), between Metro stations Strasbourg Saint Denis and Chateau d'Eau, mainly on 3 streets : Boulevard de Strasbourg, Boulevard Bonne Nouvelle and Rue du Faubourg Saint Denis (distinct from Rue Saint Denis proper).

The time : Starting from lunchtime until midnight. Peak in late afternoon/early evening.

The girls : Well, given their age, "women" seems more fitting than "girls". Anyway, they are usually dressed very modestly, so as not to attract police attention. They walk the 3 aforementioned streets alone, by pairs or in groups of 3 or 4. They talk Arabic between themselves and look like ordinary shoppers (the place is packed with shops and very busy during the day). They sometimes sit and have a drink in the neighbouring cafes Priamos mentioned in his post. They look, well, North-African (tanned skin, usually on the chubby side). They range from young women in their 20's to elder specimens in their 50's. Most of them 4s or 5s, but try to spot the occasional 7.

How to spot them : Well, given that they try to avoid unwanted attention, you just have to look for ordinary dressed women from the Maghreb who walk somewhat slower than the rest of the crowd. Then eye contact + smile. If she keeps looking at you and smiles back you're in.

Price : Starts from 30 euros up to 60 for a simple FS + hotel. Hotels in walking distance charge somewhere between 30 and 50 euros for a room. So, let's say total starting price is 80, which I know sounds really pricey. The good thing is, if you start adding some money to the agreed price (not necessarily an enormous amount), service will get much, much better than your average FS.

Service quality : Extremely variable. I've had awesome GFE as well as lousy shags. Hygiene varies from passable to excellent. Make sure you ask for a room with a shower. Best looking girls i've had were a 29 yo Morrocan, but she since went back to Spain (or so she told me) and a 27 yo Tunisian who's still there (starts walking the street in the late afternoon). Ended up giving her 200 euros for a 3-shot, no rush session. She was absolutely fantastic. Also had a 30-something Algerian who gave excellent bareback BJs, but she was a little overweight.

On the other hand, I had another 30-something Algerian (always by herself with quite short hair) with an average face but a great body who was a total let-down. Might as well have shagged a corpse.

So on the whole it's hit and miss, both in terms of looks and service quality. But I like the fun to be found in walking the streets and trying to figure out if this or that woman is actually a hooker or not.

Trivia : I once spotted there a rather good looking woman in her 30ies wearing a Muslim veil. Women wearing such clothing are generally very religious and very prudish, so last thing you'd expect is to see one walking the streets for money. This one clearly did, as she smiled back at me and I later saw her chatting and leaving with some dude. Funny.

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Thanks for your encouraging words, Algeria f E.

[QUOTE=Algeria for Ever]
Price : Starts from 30 euros up to 60 for a simple FS + hotel. Hotels in walking distance charge somewhere between 30 and 50 euros for a room. So, let's say total starting price is 80, which I know sounds really pricey. [/QUOTE]

Hum... in my experience, given that all the veteran Chinese providers charge 30 euros (and 20 euros if you look like a Turkish expat...) you don't get anyone elso who seriously expects 60 euros for a simple FS. I've heard demands as high as that but the girls did not look as they expected, even for one second, that I'd accept such a price. Good looking girls normally charge 40 euros, plus 30 euros for a (seedy, run-down...) hotel.

Euro, my friend what are you doing on this thread? If you want a complete overview about the Parisian scene:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=289927&postcount=469[/url]

This is the complete list of Parisian sex clubs, which means here swingers club:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=390959&postcount=642[/url]

But you get the deal, forget about the Parisian scene and cross the borders especially if you are used to Rio and FKK standard. The closest brothel from Paris I recommend is in Belgium right after crossing the border, at only 200km and 2 hours drive:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=326268&postcount=13[/url]

Here is the complete list of brothels in Belgium:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=399632&postcount=2[/url]

Else, the two closest FKK are both at 400km and 4 hour drive from Paris:

FKK-Club 214 Saarbrücken Luisenthaler Str. 214 66115 SAARBRÜCKEN Germany (Tel. 0681-776420) [url]www.fkk-saarbruecken.com[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 2H00 and Sunday from 18H00 till 2H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min. Club has swimmingpool, sauna, solarium. There up to 20 girls.

Relax Club Sint Josephlaan 95 2400 MOL Wezel Antwerpen BELGIUM (Tel. 014 65 1431) [url]www.ritzclubbing.be[/url]. Open from Monday till Saturday from 11H00 till 1H00 and Sunday from 13H00 till 23H00. Entrance is 50€ and pricing is 50€/30min.

Check my latest report about this club:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=506071&postcount=45[/url]

The NRW FKK are at 500/600km and 5/6hour drive and the Frankfurt FKK at 650/700km 7 hour drive. Train is another good option but with similar time as by car. This will change in 2007 with the TGV East bringing Saarbrucken at 2 hours from Paris and Frankfurt 3.5 hours!