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[QUOTE=TheKnight; 1209189]You see the problem is how can we believe anything you write when this is palpably not true. With 3 dancers on floor 1, two more on level 2 public area. 3 more in next area and either 3 or 4 in VIP all dancing simultaneously, that makes 10-12 at any one time.

Usually about 80-100 girls work each night. So criticise by all means, maybe Sofiya was only girl out of 30 you saw in half an hour, but stick to the facts. Thanks.[/QUOTE]80-100 NO WAY, zero chance.

I was only on the 2nd floor and when I write 10-15 I mean the 2nd floor, I would say there definitely were not more than 15 dancers on the 2nd floor Friday night until 11pm, I lfet arounf that time.

I must say I had a great great experience with one of the dancers tonight.

Do I recommend RIO? YES, for newbies when you are sure you want to see a dancer you have to let the manager know ASAP (very important) , maybe have a private dance, talk to her a little so she gets to know you a little, and let her know what you want, if you want to taker her home let her know.

RIO is good but it should not be your only option

[QUOTE=Muddy7;1209203]Do I recommend RIO? YES, for newbies when you are sure you want to see a dancer you have to let the manager know ASAP (very important) , maybe have a private dance, talk to her a little so she gets to know you a little, and let her know what you want, if you want to taker her home let her know.[/QUOTE]Just out of curiosity, can you list prices for (1) entrance, (2) beer, (3) tipping for public dances and (4) private dances?

[QUOTE=Latexian2;1209258]Just out of curiosity, can you list prices for (1) entrance, (2) beer, (3) tipping for public dances and (4) private dances?[/QUOTE]Wow a test.

1- 100.

2- 60 Heineken.

3- I leave that up to you LOL.

4- 200.

FUCK THIS

I have better things to do.

LOL

[QUOTE=Latexian2;1209258]Just out of curiosity, can you list prices for (1) entrance, (2) beer, (3) tipping for public dances and (4) private dances?[/QUOTE]His next question is: Did you call and ask?

Yes, that's what I did.

LOL

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[QUOTE=Muddy7; 1209203]80-100 NO WAY, zero chance.

I was only on the 2nd floor and when I write 10-15 I mean the 2nd floor, I would say there definitely were not more than 15 dancers on the 2nd floor Friday night until 11pm, I lfet arounf that time.

I must say I had a great great experience with one of the dancers tonight.

Do I recommend RIO? YES, for newbies when you are sure you want to see a dancer you have to let the manager know ASAP (very important) , maybe have a private dance, talk to her a little so she gets to know you a little, and let her know what you want, if you want to taker her home let her know.

RIO is good but it should not be your only option[/QUOTE]Muddy7, seems like you missed out on the full Rio experience when you went there for your first visit. However, what TheKnight wrote to you is correct generally. So keep trying. It is possible that the Friday night you were there at Rio, there was some problem that caused less dancers to be there that particular night. On the preceeding Saturday night I reported that a lot of girls were out sick and there were fewer dancers at the club, to the point that the managers said dances only and no take out possible, and so they shipped me over to their sister club, Paradise, in the club's limo free of charge, which is when I met Sofia, a very pretty blonde with a great body, who, I might add, is great in bed (see my previous reports). If you say you left by 11, it may also be that you did not stay long enough to see the whole line-up on both floors. Although there are a proportion of girls who are not stunners, there has always been some decent amount of girls on Sofia's level and even better. Upstairs on any given night there would have been two separate line-ups to view. One in the VIP, and a separate line-up for the upstairs inner and outer rooms. In the upstairs inner room there are three poles with 3 dancers on them at any given time. The upstairs outer room has 2 poles and 2 dancers. Each girl begins her dancing by first coming out onto the stage and going to the 1st pole in the upstairs inner room. She will dance her 1st song there clothed. The next girl comes out to the 1st pole and the girl will move to a different pole for her 2nd song where she might begin to strip. The process continues and she will move to the 3rd pole and complete her strip dance. When the next girl comes out from offstage, the girl we began with would leave the upstairs inner room and go to the stage in the upstairs outer room for 2 songs there on each of the 2 poles. The only way you can know if you have seen the complete line up is to sit there and observe the show until you see the same girls dancing that you have already seen before begin to appear one by one on the stage. Also bear in mind that as the night begins from around 8:30 until 11 or 12, there will be late arriving girls that will first show their faces on stage later in the evening at some point in the line-up, as well as some girls who will disappear because they got busy with another customer who took them out. So it doesn't seem you were in the club long enough to have seen the entire line up for both the upstairs stages, as well as the whole line up in the VIP. You should not have let your feelings become ruffled when Sofia told you she got busy. It is possible she had a "regular" of hers or of the club's come in and she was requested to go out before you even got a chance to speak to her. This is what happened to me at Paradise when I requested Sanna, only to be told she had left already, which is how I ended up with my 2nd choice, Sofia, that Saturday night. You should have probably just continued searching if not upstairs or in VIP, assuming you are certain you had seen every girl in the line-ups already in those rooms, and also gone to see who was in the line-up in the downstairs bar. You should not have given up until 2am. I find it difficult to accept as true, based on having visited Rio many, many times, that there was NO other girl on the same level of looks as Sofia. It does not accord with my experience. Therefore, I conclude that upon being told by Sofia that she was busy, you must have taken it personally, and you left the club prematurely. You should have rolled with the punches and stuck it out. If you had, I'm sure you would have found something there worth your interest. Your other bits of advice for newbies are correct, but the best advice for newbies, including yourself, is to read the prior reports I have posted concerrning Rio this year, as well as TheKnight's reports about the other strip clubs.

Or you guys can reinvent the wheel and learn from your experiences how things work by trial and error. This isn't brain surgery, but there is a lot of help here on this thread on the prior pages. Give it a read. You will benefit thereby.

LJ

I wonder if other mongers have noticed that Mamba is cleaning up its act. There are hardly any topless ads on the site any more and fewer girls looking for 'sex for money' I also noticed that any obvious soliciting ads that I save in my favourites rapidly have their 'profile deleted'

Another advice: If you dress nice, nice shirt, nice shoes. Just look better than most of the guys in there you get better service, more attention.

Saturday I went there early around 8:45 and left at 10:15 with the dancer I liked, paid 100 grivna to the taxi for a 5 minutes ride (reminded of RP taxis) , if I am not in the VIP room I don't mind sitting near the bar upstairs, I have better view of everything because I can see the girls who are going downstairs or coming upstairs and if I see a girl I like I can tell the manager right away.

The only negative is that the dancer gave me CBJ

I forgot one thing, I paid the dancer $400 and she stayed and slept after we were done, I would not do this next time.

Next time it will be 3 hours for $300, its not because of the extra $100.

About what liljoey wrote about many dancers going to university, working too much and being tired. I could see it in this girl

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1209158]I'm on mamba and arranging girls for my trip to Kiev in November. I'm finding hot women who are advertising for 600 Hrivna an hour (about 60 GBP ). Seems incredibly cheap. Is that the going rate or am I misunderstanding something?

Cheers[/QUOTE]It's the average rate of Mamba girls, but pictures are very often unreliable, you will hardly find a stunner there. In bars and clubs you will be asked for 200-300$ per night, but generally girls leave anyway in the early morning, so it might be just for a couple of hours.

[QUOTE=Borderland; 1209158]Quick question to Kiev experts:

I'm on mamba and arranging girls for my trip to Kiev in November. I'm finding hot women who are advertising for 600 Hrivna an hour (about 60 GBP ). Seems incredibly cheap. Is that the going rate or am I misunderstanding something?

Cheers[/QUOTE]That would be under 60 euros. You will be asked for taxi funds. This can be negotiated before hand if you can communicate between you. If you decide to spend longer or want longer negotiate times & cost. Lots of girls you will meet will not be real to the photos. Some will be associated with agents finding them work & taking half the income. Some girls work with friends. Some alone. Some will not charge you taxi, I noticed the solo working girls usually don't, & often the friends working group don't. Agent girls usually always do. Regarding the individual costs, usually if you want anal or blowjob without condom this will be extra charge. If you enjoy the company of someone particularly make her know it, see her 2-3 times & branch into something more from their. She might cook you dinner. Also as a first timer or not much time spent in ukr, you can find some real good knowledge & links from the ladies you meet. Straight up street cred, nobody promoting or advertising clubs or whatever model agents for $xxx. You may also say in contact before meeting,"are you real?" If they say yes, & show up to your door & are not. Then you can also feel a little justified & correct in refusing entry to whomever. Agents will say yes real often, & drop a woman or 2 off at your door. This was my learning stage on arrival in Kiev some months back contacting internet sites for company. & it is still the same today without a doubt.

Hi guys,

I will be in Kiev the next week and next WE. If anybody else will also be in Kiev in the same time, may be that we could meet and visit some places together? If you are interested, just PM me.

[QUOTE=Freetiger; 1209511]Hi guys,

I will be in Kiev the next week and next WE. If anybody else will also be in Kiev in the same time, may be that we could meet and visit some places together? If you are interested, just PM me.[/QUOTE]I will be there from Wed until Sat / Sun. Planning to go to Rio for the first time.

[QUOTE=Mystery77;1209383]That would be under 60 euros. You will be asked for taxi funds. This can be negotiated before hand if you can communicate between you. If you decide to spend longer or want longer negotiate times & cost. Lots of girls you will meet will not be real to the photos. Some will be associated with agents finding them work & taking half the income. Some girls work with friends. Some alone. Some will not charge you taxi, I noticed the solo working girls usually don't, & often the friends working group don't. Agent girls usually always do. Regarding the individual costs, usually if you want anal or blowjob without condom this will be extra charge. If you enjoy the company of someone particularly make her know it, see her 2-3 times & branch into something more from their. She might cook you dinner. Also as a first timer or not much time spent in ukr, you can find some real good knowledge & links from the ladies you meet. Straight up street cred, nobody promoting or advertising clubs or whatever model agents for $xxx. You may also say in contact before meeting,"are you real?" If they say yes, & show up to your door & are not. Then you can also feel a little justified & correct in refusing entry to whomever. Agents will say yes real often, & drop a woman or 2 off at your door. This was my learning stage on arrival in Kiev some months back contacting internet sites for company. & it is still the same today without a doubt.[/QUOTE]Many thanks for sharing that knowledge with me, some really good advice there that I know will serve me well on any future trips. I've visited Kiev before but never knew about mamba till seeing it mentioned on here. It's kind of like a sweet shop, loads of hot looking women offering services at, IF their photos are genuine, are prices that I think are very reasonable. I'm looking to find some hot girls to go clubbing with and then back to the hotel for a couple of hours of fun more then I am short time, and I like the idea of letting the girl know you like her so that things will go even better of further meetings and see what adventures that will lead to. Great advice.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Goodbye Lenin;1209382]It's the average rate of Mamba girls, but pictures are very often unreliable, you will hardly find a stunner there. In bars and clubs you will be asked for 200-300$ per night, but generally girls leave anyway in the early morning, so it might be just for a couple of hours.[/QUOTE]Cheers. I'll certainly bargain them down if possible. I know about the clubs in Kiev where you can find freelancers but any recommendations on good centrally located bars where pros hang out before they move onto the clubs?

[QUOTE=Borderland;1209567]Cheers. I'll certainly bargain them down if possible. I know about the clubs in Kiev where you can find freelancers but any recommendations on good centrally located bars where pros hang out before they move onto the clubs?[/QUOTE]Where did you hear that the pro-girls hang out in bars before going to work (dance) in the night-club? I have never heard them mention this and find it improbable. Most of them are students or have a day-time job. Maybe there are some high-class escorts or dancers who lead glamorous life-style in some bar, but I tend to think this would be a rather exclusive and expensive place. Which is not what I am looking for in K. And regarding bars. My Russian is very poor and I find local bars hard to handle, except Irish Pub, where the staff is English-speaking and friendly. And maybe also Arena Sport Bar. So I stick to the clubs to hook up with locals, male or female. Dance-club and night-club. All the best!