German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

[QUOTE=RogueNation;2077693]You don't believe what you just posted, do you?[/QUOTE]Yes, keeping in mind I'm describing what the girl might feel rather than the reality of the situation.

OK, so lets play a game here.

Random girl you are talking to cut through and ask the following:

- What do you want to do in the room?

What is your response?

(We all know this question is a terrible sign of things to come, but try to be quirky here).

[QUOTE=MrHo;2077631]Extra 50 euro for CIM at GT? It is 25 euro right?[/QUOTE]I always paid 50 E since 2014. Never asked if it was cheaper or not and I don't think anyone ever told me other wise. Actually I never knew about 25 E for CIM at GT until I found this forum.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2077938]You've made it known that you spend thousands of EUR on some of your favorite WGs. Are these the same WGs that insist on adding extras?

Have you ever tried saying "No" or just simply ignoring their Whatsapp messages? Chances are they will re-engage the negotiation a few months later, because I'd assume you are a gold / platinum level customer for most of your favorites.[/QUOTE]No not my regulars, they are all fine still. But that's not the spirit of mongering. The spirit is to keep exploring and try new girls! When I go up to new girls they always will say they see me spend a lot of time with my regular and ask me how much I pay my regulars. They don't believe me when I tell them I pay regular prices and even discounts. They always want extra charge for this and that.

These new girls don't understand buying in volume. Sure I spend thousands on my regulars but they also spend a lot of time with me, in and outside the he clubs. Honestly I pay my regulars 40 to 50 E per hour if we factor in every hour. But I buy in volume and my regulars will take the low rates. The ones on my whatsapp are good girls, cheap hourly rates with all extras free.

When I try new girls I will not buy that high amount of time. An hour or two max. If they give free extras they will get me to buy the high volume and keep me as a regular but these new girls don't. I don't know if they don't know or don't care for such business.

Just last year I would spend about 30% of my time with my regulars and spend other times exploring new girls but this year I've spent at least half of my time with my regulars because I had bad experiences finding new ones. I feel like the few regular girls I have at NRW are the only safety nets I have left, but they might retire any time.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2078006]When I go up to new girls they always will say they see me spend a lot of time with my regular and ask me how much I pay my regulars. They don't believe me when I tell them I pay regular prices and even discounts. They always want extra charge for this and that.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for the context. It's good to hear that once WGs make it your Whatsapp, they've already been screened as "good girls".

Are you in the room already when they inform you of extras? What is your reaction generally? Do you walk away immediately? Do you agree to pay the extra? For the times that you agreed to pay the extra, did you ever repeat the WG or reward her with longer rooms? If you walked away, did you or did she ever re-approach on subsequent visits?

You know you guys, the other shoe hasn't fallen around here! There's been all this talk and angst over BBBJ / CIM service, but I predict that this will have a smaller impact on the scene than what's coming later. Somebody else mentioned it before. The requirement to register, get an ID, go to counselings, and maybe even a crackdown on tax reporting requirements. Neurosynth can go on about girls being "proud" to be ID'd as a prostitute, but that's not the majority of these girls we've been fucking. Tell that to Artemis Lilia and plenty of others like her. She told me she is going to be out of there! Along with plenty of others I think. All we got to do is follow the wiff of that wuss to find them! Hahaha! Now, will those who bolt return after finding that the grass wasn't greener in Switzerland, Austria, Spain, and The Netherlands (or wherever they go)? Somebody here has suggested that too. I just think it's too early to tell and we're getting ahead of ourselves to conclude that. We need more time on that one. I mean, if girls bolt and mongers follow, then the pickings could be good. I know this. I definitely want to know where Lilia ends up! Yes siree Bob!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2078278]Are you in the room already when they inform you of extras? What is your reaction generally? Do you walk away immediately? Do you agree to pay the extra? For the times that you agreed to pay the extra, did you ever repeat the WG or reward her with longer rooms? If you walked away, did you or did she ever re-approach on subsequent visits?[/QUOTE]I don't do 30 m sessions so I always tell the girl let's start with 1 h and see how it goes from there. In the past usually this prompts the girl to offer really good service to make me extend with them but usually on first sessions I don't past 2 h. In the first couple years I only cut short a few sessions to 30 m because the girls are unresponsive and upsell within 20 m or so. Recently this year I've cut short most of my sessions with new girls. Just pay the 50 E and cut my loss. I pay for all extras if I ask them, but if they insist it then I turn it down or cut the session. I have only repeated with 1 girl after a short session, because she was very persistent and I wanted a revenge fuck. Let's just say she never asked for another session after that one. Her service was terrible the second time as well.

I always pay for extras if I ask for it on a new girl with 1 or 2 h sessions. I don't cheat the girls. My regulars does everything I want for free and never complain. Those girls make it to my whatsapp, and I book them for multiple days.

Pistons, McAdonis, AznHotBoy. How right you all are. Increasing numbers of girls seem unwilling to understand that customers buying volume time will be lost if the girls are greedy.

I have discussed this with a few and it seems maybe to be not a rational issue about money. They subscribe to a subculture in a club which measures a girl's self esteem by the amount they can get above the going rate. It is an emotional issue. They say they would rather earn 100 euros for half hour's work than 300 for three hours work. They all know first hand of course that some men are more than happy to pay 500 for one hour, and they dream of being those men's princesses.

I agree with you all: we should only go for the "good" girls.

As I meet a higher proportion of greedy girls my club spending is declining. I used to spend maybe 500 a day. Now it is likely to be 250, unless I am with a "good" girl. That's an annual spending drop of about 7500 euros.

[QUOTE=Optimist;2078303]As I meet a higher proportion of greedy girls my club spending is declining. I used to spend maybe 500 a day. Now it is likely to be 250, unless I am with a "good" girl. That's an annual spending drop of about 7500 euros.[/QUOTE]Same with me. Never had a lower daily spent average than on my last trip. And that trip even included 5 days in Austria. It used to be 300-350 in average for a long time. This last trip it was down at 200-250. Of course I've also never done more FKK days in a row at one trip, but I cancelled a bunch of repeats and girls after just talking. But the biggest loss for the girls in most clubs is that the weed out I am doing makes me bored of most clubs after just 1 or 2 days. In the past I could stay at the same club for almost a week.

But I suspect it takes some give and take before a girl makes it to his WhatsApp, no? He is giving volume business to the girl because she is proven. As he said, the first session is likely to be an hour or two at the max. Over time, she realizes the guy is a good customer for the long term, he realizes the girl will appreciate and reward volume business, and things go swimmingly. Until she retires or he is tired of her.

But in the past the theory put forward by McA has been that girls are short sighted, came from somewhat corrupted backgrounds, and don't always believe in this give and take, and want to maximize the earnings in the first few sessions -- as they are not sure if the guy will return to her reliably. In that theory McA laid out, majority of club girls (he said most Romanian girls are this way) fall into that category, and hence most relationships in the clubs sorta fall apart within a few sessions and never progress to the kind described by AZN.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2078285]You know you guys, the other shoe hasn't fallen around here! There's been all this talk and angst over BBBJ / CIM service, but I predict that this will have a smaller impact on the scene than what's coming later. Somebody else mentioned it before. The requirement to register, get an ID, go to counselings, and maybe even a crackdown on tax reporting requirements. Neurosynth can go on about girls being "proud" to be ID'd as a prostitute, but that's not the majority of these girls we've been fucking. Tell that to Artemis Lilia and plenty of others like her. She told me she is going to be out of there! Along with plenty of others I think. All we got to do is follow the wiff of that wuss to find them! Hahaha! Now, will those who bolt return after finding that the grass wasn't greener in Switzerland, Austria, Spain, and The Netherlands (or wherever they go)? Somebody here has suggested that too. I just think it's too early to tell and we're getting ahead of ourselves to conclude that. We need more time on that one. I mean, if girls bolt and mongers follow, then the pickings could be good. I know this. I definitely want to know where Lilia ends up! Yes siree Bob![/QUOTE]Well I will lost my favorite kind of girls which are German girls doing tute business on the side secretly over day off or over summer holiday type of girls.

Or we may begin to see these type of girls out side Germany like in Zurich globe over the weekend or over summer holiday to make quick bucks without registering in their home nation Germany.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2078290]I don't do 30 m sessions so I always tell the girl let's start with 1 h and see how it goes from there. In the past usually this prompts the girl to offer really good service to make me extend with them but usually on first sessions I don't past 2 h. In the first couple years I only cut short a few sessions to 30 m because the girls are unresponsive and upsell within 20 m or so. Recently this year I've cut short most of my sessions with new girls. Just pay the 50 E and cut my loss. I pay for all extras if I ask them, but if they insist it then I turn it down or cut the session. I have only repeated with 1 girl after a short session, because she was very persistent and I wanted a revenge fuck. Let's just say she never asked for another session after that one. Her service was terrible the second time as well.

I always pay for extras if I ask for it on a new girl with 1 or 2 h sessions. I don't cheat the girls. My regulars does everything I want for free and never complain. Those girls make it to my whatsapp, and I book them for multiple days.[/QUOTE]I was never really the strategy type, but now I got to be, so I will use this extend from one hour opening talk LOL.

Putting carrot front of horses face, I shall ride it like a kamikaze rodeo LOL.

[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2078349]But in the past the theory put forward by McA has been that girls are short sighted, came from somewhat corrupted backgrounds, and don't always believe in this give and take, and want to maximize the earnings in the first few sessions -- as they are not sure if the guy will return to her reliably. In that theory McA laid out, majority of club girls (he said most Romanian girls are this way) fall into that category, and hence most relationships in the clubs sorta fall apart within a few sessions and never progress to the kind described by AZN.[/QUOTE]I think the new girls are definitely more short sighted than the girls that started this job in the early 2010's. I still keep in contact with a couple of my retired regulars. One moved to UK and another back to Hungary, they were both pretty wise about their money and is currently living well. I'd say all my regulars were pretty smart, maybe had some misfortune lives and needed to work as prostitutes but not because they weren't smart enough to do other things. Also I can't spend time outside the club with a girl if she is a stupid warm sex doll.

One of my current regulars told me she likes spending the whole day with me because it is not too much stress for her. Of course she can make more money if she get 10 customers per day and every one pay for extras, but those days are rare, most days they make only 500 E or less servicing multiple guys and some days they break even. That plus the stress of hunting down her next customer. I pay them 500 - 1000 E per day for 1-3 days of course the smarter girl will take that offer.

Most newer girls feel less intelligent and probably more short sighted too. I don't care for short sessions but if I have to I guess I'll have to adjust. Like Optimist said, I guess I'll spend less money. LOL!

[QUOTE=Pistons;2077994]OK, so lets play a game here.

Random girl you are talking to cut through and ask the following:

- What do you want to do in the room?

What is your response?

(We all know this question is a terrible sign of things to come, but try to be quirky here).[/QUOTE]Everything for 50 euro LOL.

[QUOTE=AznHotBoy;2077999]I always paid 50 E since 2014. Never asked if it was cheaper or not and I don't think anyone ever told me other wise. Actually I never knew about 25 E for CIM at GT until I found this forum.[/QUOTE]Girls must have been happy, well it is 50 euro in Hessen and Berlin, but in NRW, it is 25 euro for CIM, which I was surprised when I first went to NRW as I was also used to 50 euro for CIM till I get to NRW FKK. Is it still 25 euro CIM in NRW FKK after July? Anyone? I hope it is.

Also is CIM 25 euro in Oceans too? I never tried CIM in Oceans.