FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1867110]Giving back to the club? WTF? This was purely a business decision. They needed an outdoor area, the rooftop garden sucked.

HB.[/QUOTE]You really do not like the owners here huh?

Well they could have kept it as it is, the place is booming.

To be honest, most of the time, out side rooms and pool and also saunas are empty, which I enjoy going to enjoy some solo time.

Either way, it is good that they invested into outdoor because Popo seemed to confiscated some of their personal assets.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1867110]Giving back to the club? WTF? This was purely a business decision. They needed an outdoor area, the rooftop garden sucked.

HB.[/QUOTE]Mr. Ho is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love Mr. Ho for his enthusiasm.

For us traveling from abroad to Berlin to visit Artemis it would be good if anyone visiting could post a report so we know if Artemis is still open. May influence last minute decisions to catch a flight.

If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...

The thing is that we don't know exactly where the line was drawn when the authorities decided the girls are employees. Was it something Artemis specific or something that happens in all clubs? Was is something really bad (like prohibiting work outside the office) or was it something relatively benign such as the existence of a common price list?

[QUOTE=Pistons;1867282]If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rebel2016;1867089]Ouch! I didn't know about this. I was planning a trip to Germany this year or next. Is it still worth it to even go now? If Germany's punter scene goes to shit now, where will be the best place to go in Europe? I imagine the Netherlands, but they only have 1 good city for it, Amsterdam. Even if Germany's scene isn't as good anymore, it's got to still be better than the states.[/QUOTE]Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.

[QUOTE=Craiova;1867066]Not yet so far but I've a bad feeling it goes in that direction especially with the new prostitution law at July 1st 2017 therefore I still enjoy the good old times in the meantime.[/QUOTE]Pleeeeease! There is no new prostitution law yet and the date of July 1st 2017 of its implementation is pure speculation based upon the proposal fast-tracking it through parliament.

The only thing that changes as far as mongers are concerned is that unprotected commercial sex is prohibited (and fined very high). Anything else will remain the same.

I don't think this is something to get all worked up about.

Really, you people seem to think that there is no fun outside of BBBJ.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1867282]If you reread the last few pages, you'd know its still open.

Well I don't know if management is good or bad. Its really hard for us to know, but they do seem a bit strict with the outside of club policy at the very least. And that part of it I understand people can hate. Girls have lost their 'job' at Artemis because of meetings outside the premise... and the whole thing around that rule smells bad all over...[/QUOTE]I have read the last few posts and I know that Artemis is open. My post was forward looking for the days and weeks to come and triggered by the fact that the discussion ended up discussing swimming pools at various clubs instead of Artemis. Apologies if I was unclear.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1867341]

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.[/QUOTE]While there are far more FKK clubs in Germany than in any other country, you can also find very good FKKs in Austria (Vienna) and Switzerland (Zurich). They operate in exactly the same fashion as FKKs in Germany, though the prices in Zurich are higher than anywhere in Germany. But if you find yourself in either of those cities, the FKKs are well worth a visit.

Naive to some is unbearably annoying to others.

It would be good to see some actual reviews from him. Such as: girls that he liked, did not like, any color behind those opinions, etc etc.

90% of the stuff I see from him is idle speculation about laws that are being discussed somewhere, or some other extraneous, totally tangential stuff. Or else, morose Lamentations about how he is going to miss his BBBJ. Yeah, we all know by now that he likes uncovered blow jobs (must be a unique desire among punters, eh?!), we heard it many many times, and we have n't gone deaf yet.

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1867217]?...is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love ?....for his enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DethManRulz;1867217]Mr. Ho is an incredibly naive guy. All he cares about is fucking the ladies, and therefore making sure there are ladies to fuck. He loves his prostitutes. He's not interested in considering a seedier side of things. (such as the current allegations).

and we love Mr. Ho for his enthusiasm.[/QUOTE]Yes, in part you are right in some part Mr Dethman are.

However, all I care about it life is beautiful prostitutes, models, porn stars, health, working out, smoking herbs, ski, beaches, pools, sport cars, fine clothes, fine watches, gourmets and not working, but making millions LOL I do not care about anything else beside this and I cannot find why I should care about anything else but these LOL.

The odd thing is that from society point of view and in comparison, I am rather well educated, but I decided to go all the way opposite with all they taught me in school and universities LOL But I enjoy this life LOL.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1867341]Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.[/QUOTE]This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly. Service levels IMHO are better in Spain. While the most popular girls are working all night, punters in Spanish clubs tend to have long rather than 30 min sessions so a girl might only have 4 clients in a night and still make a lot of cash. Unless you hit it off in an FKK and the girl realises you will go long time (which I prefer) sessions can be more mechanical. That said I've had poor service in Spain too. Usual hit and miss. Yes I've had nasty surprises when a girl whose tits looked amazing in a dress go south without the bra. But I quite like sexy lingerie and seeing a beautiful girl in a sexy dress. I also love being surrounded by lot of naked girls and I've posted many times that Artemis is my favorite club in Germany because of the diversity of nationalities, strong LU (for me anyway) and facilities.

All this gloom about this raid and new laws. No need. Raids take place in lots of countries where P4 P is rife. It doesn't stop the sex industry overnight and it won't happen in Germany whatever laws come in. Girls want the cash. Guys want the pussy. It will continue. Even if modified. If it changes it changes. So what? I'll still go, 99% of people on here will still go. The prospect that because the law says no BBBJ (and as mentioned many times here how the hell will that be enforced without a serious infringement of Article 8 ECHR privacy rights) should not alter people's plans. And it's not in yet! It might never get there. Things change! Governments change, policies change.

One policy that doesn't change is guys on this forum wanting to have a great time with lovely girls in good clubs. Artemis is open. It's worth revisiting in my view. If it closes there are great options around Germany, and in Spain, and I understand in pricey Switzerland though I've not tried them. Go to Thailand! It's dirt cheap! Dubai is great for P4 P but risky with enforcement etc. Lots of options. Germany will remain very high on the list as the law is not seeking to close FKKs and for everyone saying "it's the beginning of the end" - lighten up! It's not. And even if was. Fill your boots now while you can!

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1867341]Of course it is still worth it. There is simply no comparison. Amsterdam really sucks (and not in a good way). The Red Light district is a tourist trap with high prices and low quality of service.

Only Germany has the FKK-concept where you can go to a club and choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you. Go to a private club in Holland (or anywhere else in Europe) and if you are taking more than a few minutes before making a choice you are considered a waste of time and unless you buy some overpriced drinks you will be made unwelcome quickly. There may be some exceptions but they will be few and far between.[/QUOTE]FKK clubs also exist in Austria, Swiss and Czech.

[QUOTE=PayForIt;1867425]This isn't strictly correct. You can go to Spain where there are many whiskeria clubs where you can "choose at leisure from dozens of girls and there is no pressure on you". Try Vive in Madrid which has far more stunning girls than Artemis or any FKK club. But you pay for them. 220 for an hour to be precise but then you don't have to pay 80 to get in. Drinks for a girl are 40 euros though. But tell them you are saving your money for the room and they are fine. There are always over 100 girls at Vive. Cheaper options can be found all over Spain including Madrid at Flowers, Estark (nice little club and half the price of Vive), Factory Air and Hot Dreams. All clubs where you can select a girl at leisure. They are not nude (the beauty of FKKs) and don't serve food or have wellness or outdoor facilities. They are nightclubs. The police are not interested in closing them unless there are drug issues. Scandalos in Malaga is another fantastic club with many stunning girls. There is still a high population of EE girls (no problem for me) but a good mix of latinas also which you rarely find in FKKs. Scandalo prices for 30 minutes are around 80 euros. Again more expensive than Germany but 10 euro entrance fee with free drink or no entrance fee if you are regular like me.

There is not much to choose between Spain and Germany for me. LU in the best clubs in Spain beat the LU in Sharks or any FKK I've been to by some way. But the prices are higher. Upsell in Spain is far less than in Germany. This is understandable given the very low prices for zimmer time in Germany = the girls want to get you to spend more quickly...[/QUOTE]Exactly my point! Spot on! I was getting sick of all the speculation comments about raids by others, so it is good to read this rational points!

[QUOTE=Sanuk327;1867428]FKK clubs also exist in Austria, Swiss and Czech.[/QUOTE]In Czech, there are FKK club like Artemis?