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Yes, you are absolutely right. I've been in a few bars where they warned me about the cherry girl. She is usually the cutest thing you've ever seen. Some guys like fat chicks, some guys want to fantasize with / about a cherry girl. To each their own. One of the hottest memories I have in all of my Philippine bar touring is the cherry girl dancing shyly in her white cotton underwear. The next night she was wearing the uniform. And if I had spent just one more week in country, I would have had that gal. I enjoyed reading your post Furry F. X.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1179329]What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.

No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.

I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.

Yes. But I really cannot fault the bar for wanting to sell drinks.

However, the learning curve is not that steep for newbies. Surely, the newbie will buy a few drinks for a girl not knowing about this cherry business. But come on! So the guy loses a few dollars. Not a big loss. Soon enough, he'll learn how to screen out the cherries. It's all part of the learning curve. Every mongering venue will involve a bit of a learning curve.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1179329]What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.

No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.

I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.[/QUOTE]No, it's bullshit to mix these girls in the mix to trick guys to spend money on them not knowing they won't fuck. As a poster said previously,"why is the 'V' written so small"?

Anyhow, another tactic I use is as soon as I enter a bar, I find the Manager or Mama and ask him / her to point out all the cherries for me. Now I know who to avoid.

Also, you're bringing up issues like enslavement. This has nothing to do with slavery at all. That's a totally different argument.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]What's more bullshit is enslaving a girl to sleep with everybody as a condition of employment. This is a bar, not a brothel. She's a dancer, not a slave.[/QUOTE]You must be getting your information from the PI authorities. The one that "rescues" girls from their enslavements all the time. LOL.

Look, the bars are P4P bars. They sell themselves as such (or used to anyway, more and more it's just about selling drinks). If they came out and declared that they are only interested in selling drinks and not P4P, I wouldn't go to these bars. The girls know this too. They are not that dumb to think that they are only there to dance and not fuck (except for a very few performers. Like that fat chick who sings at Crystal Palace and Dollhouse). So the girls know what the deal is: don't like it, don't work there!

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]No where is there a rule stating that buying a girl a drink obligates her to sleep with you (cherry or no cherry). If you want to avoid cherries, you can ask the waitress before bringing the girl off the stage. But even a non-cherry might refuse your barfine.[/QUOTE]I think you just proved your own point: there is no enslavement in AC. Any girl, cherry or not, always has to option to refuse a barfine.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]I suggest once you get the girl off the stage, you ask her immediately if she's open to barfine and boom-boom. If not, politely send her back to the stage before ordering her a drink.[/QUOTE]How many newbies do this?

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]Yes. But I really cannot fault the bar for wanting to sell drinks.[/QUOTE]Finally something we agree on. I cannot fault the bars for wanting to make money either. They just need to know that it pisses people off if the drinks are bought under false pretenses (you thought you had a shot at her, and at the end she glibly tells you: sorry, cherry girl!)

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]However, the learning curve is not that steep for newbies. Surely, the newbie will buy a few drinks for a girl not knowing about this cherry business. But come on! So the guy loses a few dollars. Not a big loss. Soon enough, he'll learn how to screen out the cherries. It's all part of the learning curve.[/QUOTE]AC has a lot of newbie tourists coming in nowadays. Whereas before, it was more expats and regulars.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179329]Every mongering venue will involve a bit of a learning curve.[/QUOTE]Hey, we agree again. I am based in China. Tons of scams here too for newbies in the P4P scene. It's just that these scams need to exposed, and in this case hopefully the barowners are listening (I know. When pigs fly.)

[QUOTE=Amjeck;1179419]No, it's bullshit to mix these girls in the mix to trick guys to spend money on them not knowing they won't fuck. As a poster said previously,"why is the 'V' written so small"?[/QUOTE]The funniest thing is when you stare intently at their I'd badges to spot the "v", some girls will put their hand over it. To prevent you from seeing. LOL! If a girl does that, you know it's a got a red v on it. And you also know that she is trying to scam you into buying her drinks while not knowing she is a "v". A girl covering her v is telling you all you need to know.

You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1179447]You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.[/QUOTE]It does sound pretty petty doesn't it?

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1179447]You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.[/QUOTE]I fly out of Hong Kong. Average ticket price has been 150 USD roundtrip (and this includes HKIA tax).

[QUOTE=Wadman;1179438]I think you just proved your own point: there is no enslavement in AC. Any girl, cherry or not, always has to option to refuse a barfine.[/QUOTE]

You've clearly misread my post.

I never said there's enslavement on Fields. Quite the opposite. I was responding to a post by another member who claims he should have the right to bang any bargirl simply because he buys her a drink. I disagreed, stating that that would constitute enslavement which is ethically unjustifiable and that girls on Fields rightfully retains all rights to choose who she sleeps with.

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1179447]You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.[/QUOTE]

Some people on this forum takes the concept "Cheap Charlie" to new heights.

I have no problem allowing bars to make a few extra dollars from inexperienced newbies if it helps keep the bars in business and entices girls to join the industry.

Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyone

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1179512]You've clearly misread my post.

I never said there's enslavement on Fields. Quite the opposite. I was responding to a post by another member who claims he should have the right to bang any bargirl simply because he buys her a drink. I disagreed, stating that that would constitute enslavement which is ethically unjustifiable and that girls on Fields rightfully retains all rights to choose who she sleeps with.[/QUOTE]The point is this: if you buy a bargirl in AC a drink, you can reasonably expect her to barfine. Yes, sometimes she may not want to due to a number of legitimate reasons (real mens, guy is disgusting and smelly). If she is a cherry or on mens, ideally, this should be communicated to the customer BEFORE he buys her a drink. Yeah, I know, not likely to happen in AC.

It's the inmates running the asylum as it is: some girls will only go with Koreans, some only with whiteys, some only if you are a newbie and they smell some easy cash and maybe Western Union support, some who won't go at all because they have a Pinoy boyfriend, etc.

I know you don't agree. You think these are bars, not *****houses. You think the girls are dancers, not prostitutes. Did I misread that too? LOL LOL LOL! Unfortunately some bars are morphing into this.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend; 1179512]Some people on this forum takes the concept "Cheap Charlie" to new heights.

I have no problem allowing bars to make a few extra dollars from inexperienced newbies if it helps keep the bars in business and entices girls to join the industry.

Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyone[/QUOTE]Next thing you will tell me that you think Double Lady Drinks are a good idea too because:

1. You can always say no to a DLD.

2. DLDs bring in more money for the bars

[QUOTE=Mc Don;1179447]You spend thousands to get to AC and stay there and worry about a $4 drink? Just enjoy the girls.[/QUOTE]Not everybody spends thousands to get to AC.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179512]Cheap Charlies = less girls in the business = less choices for everyone[/QUOTE]How do you figure this? Have you run bar before?

I the last few years there has been an increased popularity and surge of tourist money flowing into AC. Would you say the quality of pussy has gotten better or worse? Is the general monger happier or less happier today. Is there more value for your money today?

I think cheap charlies are good to have around. They keep things in check.

[QUOTE=Wadman;1179438]Finally something we agree on. I cannot fault the bars for wanting to make money either. They just need to know that it pisses people off if the drinks are bought under false pretenses (you thought you had a shot at her, and at the end she glibly tells you: sorry, cherry girl!)[/QUOTE]You nailed it here!

And if this happens to anyone, don't hesitate to complain to management telling them you won't pay for the drink. I don't tolerate this kind of crap, and neither should other mongers.

Arrived the other day in AC my first time here. Bit worried about robberies as several guys I know told me to be very careful walking around at night especially on Perimeter Road and to top it all the guy on the plane coming over from Cebu with his wife also told me how he had been robbed at gunpoint in Perimeter Road. I was feeling a bit apprehensive, it all sounded a bit like an old Wild West frontier town. Haven't felt at all worried since being here and I walked along Perimeter late last night, admittedly fully alert, very aware of my surroundings and ready for anything unexpected.

When I arrived I was suprised at the efficiency of the airport and baggage handlers and everything seemed to run very smoothly. The hotel had sent a taxi to collect me (cost 350 to Sunset Garden) and a guy there was waiting to pick me up with a placard and my name on it. So far so good, until he asked me for a tip as he led me to the taxi. Seems he was not the driver just some guy employed to meet and greet. I just replied to him "WTF I have just got off the plane and you are asking me for a tip" He could see I was not in any mood to take prisoners and sauntered off muttering to himself.

My drive in to AC was interesting and a complete contrast to the other areas I normally visit, everything seemed pretty clean and modern. Arrived at the hotel within about 25 minutes and paid the taxi driver the pre agreed 350. He said to me as I paid him "what about a tip" and I just gave him a withering look and ignored the request.

Checked in to the hotel and met my DIA girl with her two kids about 30 minutes later outside the hotel, they had travelled from Gapan City to meet me. Mom was 37 and an ex bar girl and her two daughters aged 18 and 20. Now maybe some of you guys might think that meeting a DIA girl in AC is not a good strategy since AC has more than enough to occupy every guy's needs, but the thought have having a mom and two daughters was just irresistable and since AC was the most accesible place for us to meet in terms of airports it had to be AC.

The first night I spent in bed with the 18 year old girl, just imagine humping a pretty young girl with her mom and sister in the next bed watching TV, the most unusual experience I have ever encountered in all my trips to the Philippines and utterly priceless. She was very inexperienced so I did not have the pleasure of receiving any foreplay though I spent ages kissing her small breasts and sucking her nipples under the bed cover whilst she giggled shyly. Her pussy was so wet that her juices had run down the inside of her thighs and after about 20 minutes of kissing and touching and playing gently with her clitoris I mounted her. We had sex in the missionary position and I must have got a bit carried away as she whispered in my ear "slow down slow down". I did as she asked and just ground myself in and out as slowly as I could before turning her over onto her belly and entering her from behind. Mom leaned over to me as my head popped out from the bed cover and said "is it ok" and I just grinned and nodded sheepishly. Back to work and within another 10 minutes I orgasmed with her as she cried out and she tried to muffle her groan with her hand. I was feeling tired and we nodded off in each others arms with mom and the other daughter still watching TV.

The following morning I joined mom and the older daughter for a shower, I was still hard from the half of viagra I had sneakily popped the night before and got a really nice blow job from mom, which was unexpected and unasked for, a really nice surprise. I spent 20 minutes in the shower washing mom and the older daughter, whilst mom washed and soaped me all over, what a nice way to start the day. I then led the older sister into the bedroom once we had dried off and with both of us butt naked, we had sex there and then on the smaller of the two beds, with mom and the youngest daughter getting dressed and behaving as though this was a normal everday occurence.

I gave both girls a new cell phone each, cost me the equivalent of about 2000 pesos each (from the UK) but we priced them in SM Mall at 8000 each, quite a saving and the girls were utterly delighted with their gifts.

Left mom and girls with some money to buy lunch and catch a movie whilst I went off exploring. I walked the full length of Fields and Perimeter Road and found myself at the far end of Perimeter Road where it bends round sharply to the right. Took a left turn just before the road bends to the right and found myself in a blow job bar called the Jolly Frog and had a drink there. Very depressing place with about half a dozen very old foreigners drinking beer and looking completely bored and the girls were completely unnattractive. I stayed for one drink before making my excuses and leaving. One thing I discovered which was not obvious from old reports is that Fields Ave and Perimeter Road are actually just one continuous but very long road.

Later that night I took mom out as she was trying to find an old friend that worked at Pashas on Walking Street. I have seen old posts comparing this Walking Street with the one in Pattaya and I have seen some pretty disparaging remarks about AC's Walking Street. To be honest I found it to be interesting and a good alternative to the one in Pattaya, obviously not as slick and commercialised but still a great place. We went in to Pashas and I was really shocked to see the dancing stage literally packed with young girls all dressed very sexily, but with maybe only a dozen or so customers in the bar, I should however point out it was only 9pm. I have never ever seen so many girls packed onto one dancefloor I am not exagerating when I say there was probably 30-40 girls. I was truly amazed and I must have been stood there with my mouth wide open, since my experiences of bars in Mindanao and Cebu have been completely different. The friend was no longer at the bar and we had a drink later at the bar next to Voodoos where you can sit perched on a bar stool and watch the world go by.

Last night enjoyed the company and pleasures of mom and her two girls during the night and woke up this morning feeling very tired.

Mom and her girls left today to head home, I will definitely meet them again but not in AC. Probably take them to Subic where I will not have so many distractions. Anyway I want at least one night here to sample the delights of AC as a single person. Gave Mom 5000 pesos to cover her travel costs to AC and back home again and they all seemed to be very satisfied with my gifts. AC so far has been very memorable for me and I have not even sampled the bar girls yet!

[quote=amjeck;1179636]how do you figure this? have you run bar before?[/quote]oh give me a break and use some business logic. the more bars profit, the more they can hire, and the more choices are available for everyone. econ 101.

ask any bar owner whether cheap charlies or spluring koreans would induce them to expand their business and hire more girls and the answer is obvious. i've never met a bar owner who said "if only i get more cheap charlies in here, i can hire more girls."

[quote=amjeck;1179636]i the last few years there has been an increased popularity and surge of tourist money flowing into ac. would you say the quality of pussy has gotten better or worse? is the general monger happier or less happier today.[/quote]do you know you've just contridcted yourself? if there's an increased surge of tourism, it's because tourists are happy and pleased with what's going on in ac. the only people not pleased are cheap charlies and expats who are getting outspent.

why do you think koreans (and other asians) are flooding into ac? obviously, it's because they're happy with what they're getting. this proves, once again, that the amount you spend is directly corolated with the quality of girls and service you get.

[quote=wadman; 1179527]next thing you will tell me that you think double lady drinks are a good idea too because:

1. you can always say no to a dld.

2. dlds bring in more money for the bars[/quote]i never said i prefer to pay more. but i have no problem with the price of lady drinks as long as prices were clearly revealed before i ordered. the bars have the right to charge any price they want. i have the right to refuse to buy.

[quote=wadman;1179527]the point is this: if you buy a bargirl in ac a drink, you can reasonably expect her to barfine.[/quote]that is not my understanding. you buy her a drink because you want her company. that's it. everything else is negotiable and subject to mutual consent. that's how it works in a free society. so a guy is down $4. 00 as a result. soon enough, if that $4. 00 is so important to him, he'll ask the girl about barfining before he buys the drink. trial and error.

i can't believe we're even having this discussion. how can anyone morally justify prostitution if there is coersion? does anyone really want to sleep with a girl if she genuinely doesn't want to have sex with him? i consider that borderline [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].

the hot young girls will always be more demanding. it's called supply and demand.

[QUOTE=FurryFriend;1179659]You buy her a drink because you want her company. That's it. Everything else is negotiable and subject to mutual consent. That's how it works in a free society. So a guy is down $4. 00 as a result. Soon enough, if that $4. 00 is so important to him, he'll ask the girl about barfining before he buys the drink. Trial and error.[/QUOTE]Furry. You are absolutely 100% correct with this. When you buy a drink the only expectation should be the girl will sit and keep you company for the duration of that drink. The only thing a drink buys you is the OPPORTUNITY to NEGOTIATE whether the two of you are compatible and if the girl WANTS to leave with you.

It does NOT automatically means she SHOULD or WILL leave or even cares to be BF. Once a guy understands that. He will do much better in AC.