Dolly salon and other massage establishments
A question to the experienced mongers.
If you take a girl on outcall to your apartment for a massage from Dolly or any other place.
Is it possible to get full sex or BJ for an extra tip?
Can anyone provide reports of their experiences using this strategy?
Main streets in center of Kiev and working girls
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1213415]By the time I've sent my post I thought something like this, that the girls come out one after another. I really checked all your posts, but man, you really write a lot. So I'll try again tonight and as I'll be here another 4 nights this is alright.
In the meanwhile I tried one girl from mamba and 2 of minuet biz and one from top modals. Of course every time a different girl showed up and they all don't speak Russian! Even though Natasha. A friend of mine. Called them and talked in Russian to them that I want the one on the pictures or at least one that is alike! They just don't care. A good friend of mine who is here right now with me tried gia escort and he was always satisfied but I won't pay those prices!
In addition we have been to the basement mall at Maydan to have a coffee and there were so many beauties! They all look at me (I'm 6. 7 tall and look allright) , sometimes more than once. When I smile, sometimes they smile back. But to be honest, I don't know how to approach them. In Germany it's almost inpossible to speak to a 20 year old girl when you are 40 years old.
In terms of taxi I have found Anatoly who is from here but speaks German and he takes about USD 15 / hour for driving me and my friends with a nice Mercedes Vito.
So tonight we go out with 3 nice ladies from Ukraine but only friends and they don't like if we would say what we are here for. So we always pretend to be here for business.[/QUOTE]This year I have been twice in Kiev and it seems that the authorities are trying to "clean" the center of the city (maybe due to the next football even?) or maybe corruption again. Some girls I know told me that they prefer to work with agencies (and the extra prices or commissions for these agencies) because these agencies protect them from this "new" situation in center of Kiev. Maybe someone have more informatiopn about this assumption occuring during this year?
Third Night at Rio / Good and bad experience
So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.
I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.
There is a girl that is for a big 10! She is 20 years old, very skinny and just a beautiful Angel face. I forgot her name (to many Bacradi Cola). She is not going out! . I tried everything but she is doing only private dance. So I did a private dance only looking in her eyes. I told her not to undress and stop to dance. I said I want to go out tomorrow with her for a coffee and that I'm serious. She was thinking. Yes, no, may be. Like always. So then she said yes, may be on Sunday so I gave her my number. Let's see. She is an angel!
Then I asked for girl who is very very tall and kind of slim. She has a nice face but more like GFE face. I noticed that she looked all the time to me when she was dancing and she was so happy that I invited her to my table. She hold my hand and smiling all the time. She really liked me so I was convinced this is a perfect GFE night. So I told her I live right at the corner Kreshatic and Maydan. All the sudden she said "no, not good, sorry." For me the location is very good but the girls don't like it. The police is giving the a hard time so all the girls avoid this area by night. New situation, bad situation.
So I had 2 more girls at my table and a nice Russian guy. I had too many drinks and all the sudden it was 4:00 am. Still some good girls dancing there but I was tired so I decided one more time for Elvira. She was so happy I decided for her that she said I have perfect night with her. But she needs to drink something so she is better? . Ok, she ordered seven B52s! She drinked in about 10 minutes all of them! Then she said, let's go I'm ready. My good. And the night was good.
So tonight again. There are 2 more girls I want to try.
The sad thing about it. My friend has so many girl friends here and he has every night dinner and Karaoke with at least 3 girls at the same time. He doesn't pay, only for shopping, dinner, make up, etc. But anyways I'm stupid going to Rio every night having so many "freebies".
Fourth Night at Rio. Need to go back to Germany.
Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.
Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.
All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.
FKK's are awesome __ But You Missed The Best That Kiev Can Offer
[QUOTE=Kirch; 1214431]Got there at about 2:00 pm. Not too many girls. And best were gone already. Asked to girls come to my table, really hot ones. The manager knows that I want to go out with them but every time they send the girls that do private dance only. So it was already 4:00 am and about 4 other girls I asked to come with me said no because it's too late and they have danced all night. First I thought something happend to me and it is my fault for some reason but I asked some other guests and they said it's normal. Spoiled spoiled spoiled.
Before we have been with 4 girls and a friend to D:Lux and it was like always unbelivable what girls walking around there! I asked 3 hot ones but they wanted about USD 400 / hr. Too much.
All in all I just can say being everywhere in the world Germany is the best place. It was fun and I found some new friends. So I come back but not for this.[/QUOTE]Dear Kirch,
I tried to save you from some mistakes I made in my past visits by writing about them in my prior posts. However, you may be one of those fellows that needs to learn things by experience, which is the hard way.
Getting there too late at 2am:
One of the initial mistakes is thinking of Rio as a typical strip club. Most of us do our regular clubbing or bars first, and then at the end of the night, we possibly hit a strip club at 2am to be there for the last hour or so until closing to put us in good spirits before heading home. At least this is how most of my friends feel about it. However, in normal strip clubs you are simply going there for the entertainment value of the dances.
It is very different when "mongering" at Rio strip club in Kiev, because your purpose is not simply to see pretty girls dance, but rather to find an approriate girl to take home and have in your bed that night. For this you need time to complete your investigation of which girls are available (waiting for the line ups in each room to appear) and your interviews of each candidate (including inviting them to sit at your table, speaking with them and private dance with them). All the while, other men are doing the same, so as girls get chosen by others your own pool of possible candidates dwindles. Also since the closing time is 5am, and the girls want to return to the club to get their money usually, this means that after 2am you will have less than the normal three hours with the girl, and if you want the three hours for the $300 you must pay, the girl may not agree to stay with you longer than 5am, and you will therefore either not be able to take her that night, or you will be forced to compromise on the three hours time period and agree to pay $300 for less than three hours.
Therefore, at Rio, by 2am you need to already be in a position to make decisions about which girl or girls to ask home with you, and have alternatives in mind in case they say no, for whatever their reasons might be.
What all the foregoing means is that, if it is your intention to "monger" at Rio, which means you are aiming to take a dream girl home with you, you must arrive at Rio early enough in the evening in order to leave yourself sufficient time for the processes described above (investigation and interviewing). [Also its worthwhile to leave Rio with your girl some time before 2am, to allow for the possibility that the girl might stay with you in your apartment longer than the exact alotted three hours if she likes you and she will still be able to get back to club by 5am]. Not to mention that the later it gets in the evening, the more tired out the girls will tend to get, which will affect how she might perform and act at your apartment.
My feeling is that one should get to Rio around 10 or 11pm, so that you can complete the investigation and interview process and be able to make the invitation home by around 1am, or at the latest by 2am.
[QUOTE=Kirch;1214075]So here's my third report for Rio. I called Sergej to reserve a table and I got there by 9:00 pm, not crowded at all. The VIP Manager approached me and invited me for the VIP area. Very nice and more private there but you have to consider one thing! Not all girls rotate in all areas. So I got to the restroom and saw Elvira. I asked here if she just arrived but she said she is there for 2 hours and don't dance the VIP area. So you have to walk around every once and a while. After having a bill of 2. 000 in the second night and yesterday a bill of 2. 500 the VIP Manager really likes me and did everything for me.[/QUOTE]Wow! A 2000 bill and 2500 bill seems like quite a lot of bar spending. You must be doing a lot of drinking of high priced drinks there. I usually only order a green tea, or a cappucino, or a fresh juice, (a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol) and some drinks for those girls I choose to buy drinks for, which will be for whatever they want within reason, like Bailey's or the like. I've never had a bill for my bar tab of over 1000, and many times get out of there with a 500 or 600 UAH bill. However, to each his own. If you enjoy drinking a lot of liquor, then of course it's ok. But just so you should know, the managers will like you even if you don't spend so much, as long as you give them a reasonable tip of at least 100 UAH each night when they assist you.
As for your observation that you have to look at the three separate line ups of girls in the club (the VIP line up; the upstairs inner and outer rooms line up; and the downstairs room line up) , yes, of course it is correct. But you would have known that from an even cursory review of the prior reports. So you learned from experience. Good.
Did you even make it to the downstairs room to see that line up, or did you only see the VIP and upstairs rooms line ups?
[QUOTE=Kirch;1214075]I saw Tanya and have to say that she is a really good looking girl with a nice body. But for me not the best in Rio. In Germany we have so many beauties working in FKK Clubs and they do everything that I still prefer this area.[/QUOTE]TANYA and ELVIRA.
I must say that I am a very big fan of the FKK's in Germany. I have written on this very subject, and believe that FKK's are better than Kiev with respect to low unit cost for sex with a guaranteed high level of GFE service, whereas in Kiev this is something GFE service (including uncovered BJ) is not guaranteed with any uniformity, and depends on the girl individually and your own skills and rapport with her.
But in all my visits to FKK World, Oase and Palace in the Frankfurt area, or in Goldentime in Vienna, I have never seen a girl on the level of beauty possessed by Tanya at Rio in Kiev. Tanya is smoking hot. In my personal rating system I felt Tanya was a 10, whereas Elvira I would have rated as an 8, if not maybe a bit lower. Tanya's truly pretty and beautiful face, coupled with her slender sexy really nicely shaped body, had me mesmerized. It was only the fact that when I first met her, she said dancer only, that I stopped trying for her, and wrote her off, just as I wrote off the amazing brunette 10, Nikita, dancer only ice queen.
The question I would ask you is whether it was confirmed to you, that Tanya does do "take out" and will accompany a customer home to their apartment for sex. Shortly after she just started working at the club, Tanya said dancer only. I was told by Tanya later in the year that she would go out with a client, but only to a nightclub. However, on my last trip the manager at VIP room said she does go out with customers, which I assume meant to their apartments, so I put her on the Rio list. But it is unconfirmed. Can you confirm whether Tanya said she would come home with you? Or did you not even go that far to ask her?
Wow! You passed on Tanya and took Elvira!
It goes to show you how different guys have different tastes. Or maybe it is a case of opposites attract, as Tanya is a gorgeous blonde, of whom there are many of similar type in Deutchland, whereas Elvira is a black haired little spitfire with a petite body but cute tush, who reminds me of a gypsy type.
I actually also considered taking out Elvira. Good to know that she pleased you. So much that it seems you took her out twice. She must have been good the first time, or was it because the hour was late and there was little other choice? I'm like that too. I tend to start liking a girl and taking her out multiple times.
LJ
