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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2003863]Even stranger is that if you have a kid they assume you were married to the mother even though most of them have not been married to their kid's father. And like you said they ask about them. My daughter is 20 years old and her mother has been married 17 years. I don't know a damn thing about that woman. Talk about asking for outdated info.[/QUOTE]It's just another generic question to make conversation. I think the only answer that they would react to would be "Oh, she's going to be back form shopping in 30 minutes, let's get on with it. ".
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[QUOTE=DCups;2003816]talks too much[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BrainDrain;2004023]It's just another generic question to make conversation. I think the only answer that they would react to would be "Oh, she's going to be back form shopping in 30 minutes, let's get on with it. ".[/QUOTE]Next time I'm in a don't give a rat's ass mood, I'll reply "She talked too much, couldn't stop complaining every time I banged her sister. " I still have a 2017 goal of three sisters. I'm just not sure whether half-sisters count for full points. Eventually my luck will run out, but going to enjoy the ride. FWIW, in my experience older sisters have more skill, younger sisters more enthusiasm. YMMV.
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I take it the days of the "art of conversations" are gone? Or did some of us ever had it?
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2003983]The concept of no contact with someone from a past sexual relationship is bewildering to them.[/QUOTE]This is quite true. Tell a girl in Tarlac that you had a girlfriend in Surigao City for 3 years, and that the Surigao relationship ended 7 years ago, and you might get quizzed by the Tarlac girl on / off for the entire time you know her (years maybe) as to why the Surigao relationship ended, what is the last time you spoke to the Surigao girl, did you have feelings for her, if you spoke to her 2 years ago briefly online then you *must* still have feelings for her, and so forth. The amount of odd (and false) relationship drivel in pinays can be astounding. Trying to convince pinay #1 that you are NOT in love with pinay #2 can be difficult.
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[QUOTE=MrWoolyBooly;2004037]FWIW, in my experience older sisters have more skill, younger sisters more enthusiasm. YMMV.[/QUOTE]Sometimes true, sometimes not. Luck of the draw.
Was with two sisters from Bicol for a couple of weeks. Both were great. The younger one sparkled, and was a firecracker and quite intelligent. The older one smoldered, and had more mood and flavor. Was in love with both of them, and they were amenable. Regrettably, a long term relationship just was not meant to be, mainly because my roving eye was caught by yet another bonnie lass at the time. Ah, the mistakes we make.
Then, there were the 3 sisters from Surigao del Sur. The youngest was one of my regulars in Angeles, and great both in and out of the sack. She told me that her two older sisters were visiting "from the province" and I persuaded her to invite them to join us. The two older sisters turned out to be total duds. What a disappointment.
Other sister sets and, more commonly, cousin sets, and only rarely, mother-daughter sets, were similarly "all over the board". No predictability, but usually titillating and a lot of fun!
YMMV.
OM.
P.S. Never had twins, though. Twins might have been more interesting to compare and contrast?
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2004093]This is quite true. Tell a girl in Tarlac that you had a girlfriend in Surigao City for 3 years, and that the Surigao relationship ended 7 years ago, and you might get quizzed by the Tarlac girl on / off for the entire time you know her (years maybe) as to why the Surigao relationship ended, what is the last time you spoke to the Surigao girl, did you have feelings for her, if you spoke to her 2 years ago briefly online then you *must* still have feelings for her, and so forth. The amount of odd (and false) relationship drivel in pinays can be astounding. Trying to convince pinay #1 that you are NOT in love with pinay #2 can be difficult.[/QUOTE]Watch the telenovas and " old gfs " are always either appearing on the scene, inventing themselves as new and reformed lovers to be, or they are being evil and cunning and planning revenge on the guy and the girl. Theres no in-between. So when all the lurid details of the ex are being sought its so that the new lady knows how to position herself (so to speak!).
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[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2003266]I don't bother much with online sites, but I've read some profiles, and I think many times these ladies pick words almost at random from other listings and just throw them in on the assumption that they sound good. I doubt they're overly concerned about whether or not the words make sense or the context in which they're used.
GE.[/QUOTE]So true. One case in point seen today. " my relationship with myself set the tone for every other relationship I have. ". I queried her on this and asked if she had multiple personalities. She replied " No I just love myself so much more than you could imagine. Baffled and bemused.
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Good insights, CM, thanks. Your comments make a lot of sense to me.
QUOTE=Chocha Monger;2003983 Once they know your likes and dislikes, they are in a better position to tell you the lies that are most likely to help them in achieving their agenda. . drama queens without any filters. They have no concept of privacy and when they tampo expect to see some extremely negative and potentially harmful PR releases. The concept of no contact with someone from a past sexual relationship is bewildering to them. QUOTE.
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[QUOTE=FreebieFan;2004130]Watch the telenovas and " old gfs " are always either appearing on the scene, inventing themselves as new and reformed lovers to be, or they are being evil and cunning and planning revenge on the guy and the girl. Theres no in-between. So when all the lurid details of the ex are being sought its so that the new lady knows how to position herself (so to speak!).[/QUOTE]Yes. Even though I've been very explicit (for years) with pinay #1 that I fool around with many other girls, and that I don't love her (#1), and that I never loved pinay #2 (who I haven't seen for years), it can be hard to convince her that I don't love #2. Indicative of #1 thinking that someday I will love her (I think), or else that I won't love her because (in her mind) I in love with another (which isn't true). Defense mechanisms built into the culture.
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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;2004276]Yes. Even though I've been very explicit (for years) with pinay #1 that I fool around with many other girls, and that I don't love her (#1), and that I never loved pinay #2 (who I haven't seen for years), it can be hard to convince her that I don't love #2. Indicative of #1 thinking that someday I will love her (I think), or else that I won't love her because (in her mind) I in love with another (which isn't true). Defense mechanisms built into the culture.[/QUOTE]Perhaps that simply evidences the truth of the reciprocal? In other words, just because a pinay professes undying love for #1 doesn't mean that she wouldn't drop her knickers in a heartbeat for old flame #2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever).
Of course, from far different socio-economic strata, and different epochs, but this apparent "liberal" mindset makes you wonder if Rizal's celebrated pure "Maria Clara" paradigm is not just fiction? Has anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?
OM.
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Yes, I have on several occasions. Most of them just want the security of marriage and start popping out babies.
[QUOTE=Omega3;2004514]PHas anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?
OM.[/QUOTE].
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[QUOTE=Omega3;2004514]Perhaps that simply evidences the truth of the reciprocal? In other words, just because a pinay professes undying love for #1 doesn't mean that she wouldn't drop her knickers in a heartbeat for old flame #2 (or 3 or 4 or whatever).
Of course, from far different socio-economic strata, and different epochs, but this apparent "liberal" mindset makes you wonder if Rizal's celebrated pure "Maria Clara" paradigm is not just fiction? Has anyone actually encountered truly faithful pinays in real life?
OM.[/QUOTE]Rizal's Maria Clara was a purely fictional characterization of the ideal Filipina woman. Given the fact that in the novel Maria Clara was portrayed as a bastard of dubious paternity who was schooled in a Catholic convent where her redeeming female qualities were developed, her character may have simply been a metaphor for colonial Filipino society at the time. In spite of her sordid origins Maria Clara was able to become the ideal woman through religious upbringing. She is admired for her shy, chaste, honest, and selfless qualities. Her las name is "de Los Santos" which is Spanish for "of the Saints. " Maria Clara is really a saintly ideal of Filipina womanhood that Rizal holds up for women in the Philippines to strive towards rather than reality of the pinay.
I have met pinays who did a great job of appearing faithful but given time to scratch beneath the surface it always turned out to be nothing more than a lie, which is more in line with Filipino culture. Anyway, no informed person goes to the Philippines looking for a faithful woman in a culture where lying and corruption are accepted as the norm. If a large number of pinays emulated Maria Clara de los Santos, the country would cease to be a world class sex tourism destination and hundreds of thousands of aged mongers would be stranded in hotel rooms with their cocks in their hands. Sexpats would flee the Philippines in droves as once the easily accessible abundant sex dries up there would be no reason to stay. It is the sexual looseness and immorality of the pinays that makes them appealing to foreigners in the first place.
I would also like to add that the chaste provincial pinay is also a fictional character from bygone era when women remained in the straw hut and did not go out unchaperoned. Today, pinays work outside the home, own cell phones, have social media accounts, and watch hours of telenovelas. Mothers are largely absent from the household due to working as maids abroad and fathers normally disappear at the first sign of pregnancy. Most pinays are raised, if you can call it that, by the extended family. All of these conditions lead to early sexual encounters which often result in offspring to be raised under the same circumstances. While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primary seen as an asset to lift the family up out of their miserable existence. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2004773]*** I have met pinays who did a great job of appearing faithful but given time to scratch beneath the surface it always turned out to be nothing more than a lie.
*** While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primarily seen as an asset to lift the family up. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.[/QUOTE]CM,
Thanks for your insightful observations. I would agree with you in many, maybe even most, cases ("crash and burn") but have seen a handful of what appear to be stable long-term monogamous relationships between expats and pinays in the Philippines.
Didn't know if these were (a) the "exceptions which prove the rule", or (b) cases of "appearances can be deceiving"?
Would appreciate any insights from you or from our other "old hands" on this.
OM.
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[QUOTE=Omega3;2005212]CM,
Thanks for your insightful observations. I would agree with you in many, maybe even most, cases ("crash and burn") but have seen a handful of what appear to be stable long-term monogamous relationships between expats and pinays in the Philippines.
Didn't know if these were (a) the "exceptions which prove the rule", or (b) cases of "appearances can be deceiving"?
Would appreciate any insights from you or from our other "old hands" on this.
OM.[/QUOTE]Looking at a marriage from the outside is like looking at the surface of a calm lake. Everything appears tranquil but under the surface the fishes are devouring each other. The only people who really know what is going on in those stable long-term monogamous marriages are the two people in it. In many cases it turns out that only one person knows what is really going on and many times it is not the expat. When a Filipina wife is cheating on her foreign husband, he is usually the last to know as her relatives and the village will keep quiet because Filipinos look out for their own. Marriage to a native does not make a foreigner Filipino. A foreigner will never be considered a Filipino even if he changes his citizenship.
When dealing with human behavior, there is no absolute rule that covers each and every situation. It is not impossible that there are a few exceptions. However, the only sure way to know if the pinays in the marriages that you observed are truly faithful would be to hire a local detective agency to place them under surveillance and investigate their friends and relatives. Installing software on their phones, tablets and computers will also prove very informative.
Many pinays in relationships with foreigners will fail to pass muster when subjected to robust investigation. Keep in mind pinays cheat on pinoys frequently, in one study the rate of marital infidelity was 80 percent. However, Filipinos tend to refer to cheating as a mistake and are much more forgiving of it than Westerners. A cheating pinay may get a beating from her pinoy husband but then everything goes back to normal even when the affair results in a pregnancy or, as they say, a blessing.
Anyway, let us keep in mind that most expats are getting pussy from pinays other than their wives except for a small number of holy rollers there to convert the natives. Some of these expats do not mind their pinay playing away and some even play away with them. Besides, as a foreigner married to a pinay, one has many disincentives to make a fuss about her infidelity. If there is a house, it will be in her name and the foreign husband cannot own it if the marriage is terminated. Also, in a place where life is so cheap she can easily get her lover to dispose of her foreign husband or her relatives will band together and kick him out of the house then sell it out from under him. There is really no benefit in marriage for a foreigner in the Philippines.
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[QUOTE=ChochaMonger;2004773]While Filipinos pay lip service to the marital institution imposed on them by the colonizers, they practice something more closely resembling free love or polyamory. Marriage and expectations of fidelity only become important when a foreigner shows up because he is primary seen as an asset to lift the family up out of their miserable existence. The pinay will give more love to her pinoy boyfriend without a rooster to his name than to her foreign husband who gives her house and lot.[/QUOTE]I have had, and continue to have, too many married pinay (not to be confused with pinay who call their boyfriend a 'husband' when in fact they never married) rotating into my bed on a regular basis for me to consider them 'faithful' in any sense. That also includes many of my regulars in various places around phils who have a steady boyfriend (for years). Some bed with me for nickels, some for fun. Sometimes the boyfriend or husband is fully aware of my existence and where his pinay is spending her nights (amazing, and you've seen several of the on the most recent PG pages). Sometimes this gives the appearance that the only pinay upset by a cheating boyfriend are the very young schoolgirls. Everyone else in the culture seems perfectly fine with it. I cringe everytime I hear a gringo say he wants to marry his pinay.
Disclaimer: There are many pinay who would never cheat. Secondary disclaimer: I've found cheaters in every country I've been in, including my home country, but there seem to be a disportionately high number in pinayland.
