Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2748281]... So you tell me bud, if she was with her group of friends and you asked her in front of them if she would do it, do you think she would be willing to say yes in front of them?....[/QUOTE]Like others have mentioned that is not a problem. Just pull her aside so your conversation won't be overheard by her friends. You are fluent in Spanish, you should not have any problem like many of us might have 😂.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2748335]Maybe it's because I'm a bigger dude or the spanish or maybe just the way I carry myself, I don't know. ....[/QUOTE]It's not about if you pay up front or not. It's about losing leverage if you try to negotiate after you already pay for the room. It just a simple example and I am not saying it happens often. It takes a few seconds outside vs a few minutes in the room and the possible drama.

I had a new girl came to my place. She asked for condom but I said your agent said you provide oral natural. She said no, and I have to pull out the messages to convince her.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2748335]
...A few days ago I had a CFS session that was excellent with a small petite 23 year old paisa I found standing across from El Botero Real. And congrats on getting it without an upsell. I had a candy girl like last year (or maybe back in January, csnt remember) that also didn't upsel...[/QUOTE]I have been wondering why were you getting a CBJ and I guessed that was a test drive or sacrifice fly with a another visit planned that is when you get BBFS. If that is the case, your approach is more complicated than you described but that is a smart way to optimize cost. Your percentage needs to be adjusted to account for it.

[QUOTE=PadrePioDorco;2747469]Mostly look I guess. If you know any agency (or a fixer) that also vouch for good service let me know please.[/QUOTE]This is your answer. Others that commonly mentioned here are La Isla and Fase Dos that are strip clubs with room on site.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2747271]I suggest Loutron which is up in the hills outside of Poblado and Energy Spa which is in Laureles near the stadium. They tend to have the better looking women by conventional Paisa standards.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

Was wondering if you guys have any idea what the rate for the high end girls (9/10's) off of seeking arrangement would be for a good date / intimacy.

Here in the states it's about 500 usd for a quality girl in seattle, wondering the same for Colombia. Thanks!

Hi All,

Just got my subscription and I would like to build a facebook list as I am traveling in Dec. I have read several pages on how to add girls, can anyone please PM me an initial list which I can use to to find more girls. Again thanks for the information you are providing in this thread.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2748653]It's not about if you pay up front or not. It's about losing leverage if you try to negotiate after you already pay for the room. It just a simple example and I am not saying it happens often. It takes a few seconds outside vs a few minutes in the room and the possible drama.

[/QUOTE]There is another reason why BBFS is not negotiated outside the room by some guys which I don't think has been touched upon as of yet.

For some guy's it's how they monger, it's how they operate, or their technique of mongering after identifying a girl to see what unfolds in the room.

And sometimes there are some unexpected and welcome surprises that both you and Gabacho have encountered.

I personally like seeing what transpires in the room with the girl, yet make it clear that the BJ will be uncovered, and leave it at that.

And I, like both you and Gabacho have had some uncovered FS experiences that I hadn't expected which was a surprise.

The last time this happened I was told 30 K by a small Colombian spinner. I asked if the BJ was uncovered and was told of course which is a good sign.

And once in the room I laid a condom out, yet when it was time to ride me, she just hopped on board to my surprise with no mention of the condom.

I was a bit nervous about it, but my little head said yes so I had to comply. LOL.

So pinning down all the details and costs for BBFS beforehand is not how some mongers roll, where as for others it's mandatory.

[QUOTE=ProPooper98;2748699]Was wondering if you guys have any idea what the rate for the high end girls (9/10's) off of seeking arrangement would be for a good date / intimacy.

Here in the states it's about 500 usd for a quality girl in seattle, wondering the same for Colombia. Thanks![/QUOTE]"Quality girl". Here we go again. Haha. Quality for me is a girl that will have great sex w me for less than USD 10. So on that basis. Less than USD 10. Or maybe you mean a philosophy graduate? Possibly others might give you other answers. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2748335]Maybe it's because I'm a bigger dude or the spanish or maybe just the way I carry myself, I don't know. But I very very rarely pay unfront, if a girl tries to charge me adelanto I always say "pago despues. " maybe you guys handle that differently, I don't know.[/QUOTE]I never pay upfront and I think size has nothing to do with it. Lol.

After the pre game chit chat we both know what's going on, and if I'm not feeling the vibe, I just move on.

Eazy Peazy.

Another day or so in Medellin and then off to Bogota.
The Vennies have been great!

Haven’t touched a Paisa yet, lol.

On my first trip to Medellin, I was happy with the outcome of meeting girls from Facebook. Yes, there were girls who chatted with me and said they would meet me but did not meet me. There were also girls who confirmed that they would meet me and then ghosted me. But it was far less than my online dating experience in the Philippines. On Facebook, girls usually had a fair number of pictures and most looked like their pictures when they showed up. Most of the girls that I saw were semi-pros or at least girls who denied that they were escorts but were open to pay for play when they need money. Generally I offered 200 to 250 mil for 2 hours. Sometimes transport was included, most times it was extra and I paid the taxi when they arrived. None of the girls were business like and all performances were good to great. Most of the girls were in the 18-21 age range with ID verification at the hotel. I always looked at the ID myself before they entered the hotel and no one lied about their age.

I did not take any girls outside of FB on my first trip. Streetwalkers and casa girls will be on my agenda on a future trip. Yes, it is cheaper in El Centro but I was happy with my experiences with the FB girls coming to my hotel room.

I enjoyed my first visit to Medellin and I will return. I stayed in the Poblado region and I felt safe in the neighborhood. There are places that are more dangerous. I recommend staying in Poblado for newbies.

[QUOTE=ProPooper98;2748699]Hey guys,

Was wondering if you guys have any idea what the rate for the high end girls (9/10's) off of seeking arrangement would be for a good date / intimacy.

Here in the states it's about 500 usd for a quality girl in seattle, wondering the same for Colombia. Thanks![/QUOTE]Typically from 400 k up to 800 k, so $90 to $180 for the very top girls, although I don't think you'll find a 10. It's not too hard to find SA girls that are quite attractive for 300 k to 400 k all in. The most attractive and made up girls tend to be on IG and a bit harder to connect with or they associate with the high net worth Colombian sugar daddies.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2748853]"Quality girl". Here we go again. Haha. Quality for me is a girl that will have great sex w me for less than USD 10. So on that basis. Less than USD 10. Or maybe you mean a philosophy graduate? Possibly others might give you other answers. Hehe.[/QUOTE]On the streets? Dumb questions. This board is the wrong place to ask. They're better educated girls in Bogota. SA maybe starting at $600 COP PPM down and make payments. $10 ? LOL use the glory hole.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2748771]...

For some guy's it's how they monger, it's how they operate, or their technique of mongering after identifying a girl to see what unfolds in the room.

And sometimes there are some unexpected and welcome surprises that both you and Gabacho have encountered.

I personally like seeing what transpires in the room with the girl, yet make it clear that the BJ will be uncovered, and leave it at that.

....[/QUOTE]From my perspective, it is more about cost and time. If El Centro is my main playground, I will chat with the girl but I won't negotiate too much except cost. I can fuck 7 girls in El Centro for the cost of getting an outcall to my place. I can fuck at least 20 girls in El Centro for what I paid for one in Sao Paulo. I will try my luck in the room and keep the base cost low in El Centro. 😂 That is what you observe GB is doing thus far so we are not that different. The reason I won't do the same with outcall simply because the cost is high. In Sao Paulo, I won't even take the girl is she does not DFK when negotiating. The reason is the same, cost is very high. LOL

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2748929]On the streets? Dumb questions. This board is the wrong place to ask. They're better educated girls in Bogota. SA maybe starting at $600 COP PPM down and make payments. $10 ? LOL use the glory hole.[/QUOTE]He he I think the question would be better posed as "how much is an expeniive prepago?" . I think that is really what he means TBH.

Hello, I was experiencing with webcam (mostly gals from Colombia and for this thread, a few medellin cam girls). I started in 2021 as covid restrictions hit Canada and with the cold weather at the time I said why not. Kill some time. Ohhh shout out to those like jjbee22 dropping knowledge and experience. Thanks!

Got a few whatsapps (stupid of me as I now know that's a dead end) I always like the challenge to shore "prostitutes". Strippers and such. These girls IMHO are virtual prostitutes not models. I guess industry leaders insisted in models to eliminate any shame as prepago sounds better than prostitute. Or off on another topic how abortion advocates use the word fetus as opposed to baby when discussing abortion. Point is, my definition is that they are prostitutes who work virtually.

Fast forward, when giving tokens as tips or getting private time with them, it's just like a stripper taking to you at your table or in the vip section booth if having a dance or 2. Their goal is to take out as much money as possible. Bear in mind my senior experienced members, maybe this might help a new fish. The success rate of converting a whatsapp into something deeper is slim. Happened to me but go figure, my chicks live in other cities. I do not want to fly them in. Send the money vis western union then get the. Text, ohhh I can't make it etc. As for the medellin chicks, either they don't do meetups, or made a few excuses (nice way of rejecting your date offer) .

I am stubborn at times, and I want to be able to get a webcam chick even for a date (without buying her time if that makes sense). So far I struck out. Granted, I was in medellin for a few days in 2021 and 7 days in 2022. You can't do sh!! If you want to meet up. I have a big strike against me, I do not live there and am there for a few days. Best is to pay the chicks and get on with it.

After talking with a few webcam chicks this is what they usually say like it is scripted. Both independent and girls who work in studios. In no particular order:

1. No hago reales, no hago encuentros (I don't do meetups).

2. Soy soltera. (I am single) yeah right.

3. Compra mi whatsapp why podemos charlar más (buy my whatsap so we can talk more) we can talk fine on the site dear.

4. Soy bisexual.

Experience costs money. After browsing some profiles I've noticed some posting (showing off in some ways) guys tipping these girls thousands of dollars. From mid tier to the higher tier in looks. Great for the workers! And no jealousy from my end. I asked myself, how the hell can I compete with a guy who is sending a model a few thousand bucks in a tip? I could do it, but I don't have that kind of spare change. Then I remembered talking to a buddy, and how 99.9999% of men who follow Instagram girls or webcam girls have no chance to even go on a date with them. It's those men who do not follow these girls, it's those men who do not join webcam sites are the ones dating these girls. Forget about p4 p. I am talking about forming a bond to gain her trust so you can meet up. It's damn hard to do when competing with big tippers. It's cheaper to even go to la isla then to get her whatsapp which is usually $80 usd plus tips and private time. (Again being outside of medellin hurt my really really really slim chances).

Could you get by on charm with these virtual chicks. Yes, but be ready to be treated like a clown. Her man she is probably banging does not do that. As for bisexuality, something is up as I noticed girls in the sex industry tend to be on the experimentation side, to each their own, is there truth to this? So, they swing both ways, do they say it to get more tips? Or is it true? How can I use this to my advantage? LOL.

My approach to webcam was never p4 p in real life. I always had that slim hope of getting the girl with my charm and a few tips here and there as they are working per se. Ego is a bi! Ch!

To sum up my rant, I choose to not out compete the big tippers as I know the juice is not worth the squeeze. I probably have a better chance to get her just by luck if I run into her in the mall. I would not doubt that the F buddies or boyfriends they have even girlfriends are not hotter or have more to offer than users in the site. Scary for some to meet up, I get it, but quite unwise after trust has been built up to not take a chance on a good catch sort of speak.

My advice, avoid buying the whatsapps or instagrams etc. If you are outside of Colombia or any other region, don't even bother buying private's etc. If you have hopes of one day shoring and dating her. If you are living there, the chances increase most definitely. Heck, only go on it if you live there and are really bored. Use a vpn of course. As I said, it's cheaper in many places for p4 p if that is what you want than getting a webcam chica to agree to meet you. La isla is probably a cheaper and better alternatives.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2748948]He he I think the question would be better posed as "how much is an expeniive prepago?" . I think that is really what he means TBH.[/QUOTE]I've been lurking for months but only recently got posting privileges. And then weekend will be one week since I sent transfered Bitcoin and messaged admin. But no sub yet.

I'll be going to making my first trip in November and am excited.

To prep I have added Facebook girls but they have not replied. Not sure to be straightforward or not. Those that do stop replying once I get to asking about P4 P. However I am also on Cupid and that has been interesting. Along the lines of what is too much. I got quoted for 1 hour 600 cop CFS, and 1,200 cop for anal, super hot. Got another that quoted in $1500 usd can't remember the time but probably 1 HR, also hot. Then this one tells me I had to pay for photos and videos. And got mad going into a rant about I wanting free photos and stuff. I was clear no photos or videos or chat for pay, only meet. She wasn't too happy when I said my money has more value since I was walking away and she was going crazy about how I needed the photos and stuff.

Reading the forum, I know not to pay before even if it's to eventually meet. I walked from all, but other than the last one, the girls were all very understanding.

When should negotiation start. I'm a month out, I now realize that's too far out to be on Cupid, should it be the week before, days when arranging meets?

For Cupid, any advice on asking for P4 P. A lot of girls say serious relationship, but when I say casual date or looking for a short time girlfriend I get responses, even when I say intimate and naughty. I believe they must only see the USA in the profile much like I only see their photos! A few I have jumped right into what I want and they are cool. They were very clear in their descriptions. I've tried a few different approaches with the same results.

I was wondering, besides El Centro (which is another question that I believe is in the thread which is price of SG in the different areas), what should we expect for prices from Cupid, Tinder, SA, FB. Is there some kind of centralized list.

I don't think I get PM yet, let's hope tomorrow! I need all the help I can get to make this the best trip. I consider myself a very green monger!

[QUOTE=Marxh;2749014]I've been lurking for months but only recently got posting privileges. And then weekend will be one week since I sent transfered Bitcoin and messaged admin. But no sub yet.

I'll be going to making my first trip in November and am excited.

To prep I have added Facebook girls but they have not replied. Not sure to be straightforward or not. Those that do stop replying once I get to asking about P4 P. However I am also on Cupid and that has been interesting. Along the lines of what is too much. I got quoted for 1 hour 600 cop CFS, and 1,200 cop for anal, super hot. Got another that quoted in $1500 usd can't remember the time but probably 1 HR, also hot.

Reading the forum, I know not to pay before even if it's to eventually meet. I walked from all, but other than the last one, the girls were all very understanding.

When should negotiation start. I'm a month out, I now realize that's too far out to be on Cupid, should it be the week before, days when arranging meets?

[/QUOTE]I would personally say from my experience that a few weeks is not too far out to start communicating with the chicas. It is too far out to start negotiations though, you can mention money so they know what you are looking for but stall negotiating prices until just before you go or even when you arrive and are setting up an actual cita (appointment) tell them some BS that since I am currently in the USA that I cannot talk business becuase its not legal here. Many of these chicas are going to ghost you anyway - dont take it personally they fly by the seat of their pants and are not good with appointments. Best to wait until you are ready to nail down an appointment then negotiate.

Besides I would talk to a hundred chicas in that time frame you have before you go down there. There are thousands of them literally - pros and what I call semi pros. When I started Cupid had real time IM chat windows and I would have to juggle between the chicas I was talking to in real time. But I started communicating early before my first trip because it can take that long to find chicas that you really like. I was clueless when I started so communicating with a lot of chicas was educational. I like GFE and the ones I've gotten the best GFE from are the chicas I spent time communicating with before hand - I want to qualify this by saying that I know my boundaries - but if they blow you off becuase you are not ready to negotiate they may be too business like to offer up good GFE
When you get your PM set up send me a message and I will give you more tips and some leads.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2749014]When should negotiation start. I'm a month out, I now realize that's too far out to be on Cupid, should it be the week before, days when arranging meets?[/QUOTE]I would say stay offline and wait until you get there and go to in-person places like casas. After paying those chicks 40 K or whatever, you will no longer even entertain a chick saying 600 K no matter how hot you think she is. Get to know the place before blindly committing to online shit.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2748929]On the streets? Dumb questions. This board is the wrong place to ask. They're better educated girls in Bogota. SA maybe starting at $600 COP PPM down and make payments. $10 ? LOL use the glory hole.[/QUOTE]He does have a point. "Quality girl" doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. The OP might end up paying 600 k for a girl who he will believe was grossly overpriced, after the date. Another guy might pay 40 k for a girl who outperforms the 600 k girl in every way.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2749009]Hello, I was experiencing with webcam (mostly gals from Colombia and for this thread, a few medellin cam girls). I started in 2021 as covid restrictions hit Canada and with the cold weather at the time I said why not. Kill some time. Ohhh shout out to those like jjbee22 dropping knowledge and experience. Thanks!

Got a few whatsapps (stupid of me as I now know that's a dead end) I always like the challenge to shore "prostitutes". Strippers and such. These girls IMHO are virtual prostitutes not models. I guess industry leaders insisted in models to eliminate any shame as prepago sounds better than prostitute. Or off on another topic how abortion advocates use the word fetus as opposed to baby when discussing abortion. Point is, my definition is that they are prostitutes who work virtually.

Fast forward, when giving tokens as tips or getting private time with them, it's just like a stripper taking to you at your table or in the vip section booth if having a dance or 2. Their goal is to take out as much money as possible. Bear in mind my senior experienced members, maybe this might help a new fish. The success rate of converting a whatsapp into something deeper is slim. Happened to me but go figure, my chicks live in other cities. I do not want to fly them in. Send the money vis western union then get the. Text, ohhh I can't make it etc. As for the medellin chicks, either they don't do meetups, or made a few excuses (nice way of rejecting your date offer) .

I am stubborn at times, and I want to be able to get a webcam chick even for a date (without buying her time if that makes sense). So far I struck out. Granted, I was in medellin for a few days in 2021 and 7 days in 2022. You can't do sh!! If you want to meet up. I have a big strike against me, I do not live there and am there for a few days. Best is to pay the chicks and get on with it.

After talking with a few webcam chicks this is what they usually say like it is scripted. Both independent and girls who work in studios. In no particular order:

1. No hago reales, no hago encuentros (I don't do meetups).

2. Soy soltera. (I am single) yeah right.

3. Compra mi whatsapp why podemos charlar ms (buy my whatsap so we can talk more) we can talk fine on the site dear.

4. Soy bisexual.

Experience costs money. After browsing some profiles I've noticed some posting (showing off in some ways) guys tipping these girls thousands of dollars. From mid tier to the higher tier in looks. Great for the workers! And no jealousy from my end. I asked myself, how the hell can I compete with a guy who is sending a model a few thousand bucks in a tip? I could do it, but I don't have that kind of spare change. Then I remembered talking to a buddy, and how 99.9999% of men who follow Instagram girls or webcam girls have no chance to even go on a date with them. It's those men who do not follow these girls, it's those men who do not join webcam sites are the ones dating these girls. Forget about p4 p. I am talking about forming a bond to gain her trust so you can meet up. It's damn hard to do when competing with big tippers. It's cheaper to even go to la isla then to get her whatsapp which is usually $80 usd plus tips and private time. (Again being outside of medellin hurt my really really really slim chances).

Could you get by on charm with these virtual chicks. Yes, but be ready to be treated like a clown. Her man she is probably banging does not do that. As for bisexuality, something is up as I noticed girls in the sex industry tend to be on the experimentation side, to each their own, is there truth to this? So, they swing both ways, do they say it to get more tips? Or is it true? How can I use this to my advantage? LOL.

My approach to webcam was never p4 p in real life. I always had that slim hope of getting the girl with my charm and a few tips here and there as they are working per se. Ego is a bi! Ch!

To sum up my rant, I choose to not out compete the big tippers as I know the juice is not worth the squeeze. I probably have a better chance to get her just by luck if I run into her in the mall. I would not doubt that the F buddies or boyfriends they have even girlfriends are not hotter or have more to offer than users in the site. Scary for some to meet up, I get it, but quite unwise after trust has been built up to not take a chance on a good catch sort of speak.

My advice, avoid buying the whatsapps or instagrams etc. If you are outside of Colombia or any other region, don't even bother buying private's etc. If you have hopes of one day shoring and dating her. If you are living there, the chances increase most definitely. Heck, only go on it if you live there and are really bored. Use a vpn of course. As I said, it's cheaper in many places for p4 p if that is what you want than getting a webcam chica to agree to meet you. La isla is probably a cheaper and better alternatives.[/QUOTE]1. Participating in webcams is a different thing for different people. Most guys here see no point. Why pay to see a girl on your screen when you can pay less for a girl in your bed? Other than the fantasy aspect, there's no benefit to trying to lay a webcam model.

2. Almost every Colombian webcam model has someone watching everything. They see every private message, they see every tip note. Often, the person watching is the person chatting (and it's usually a guy). The same guy is often the one sending Whatsapp messages or responding to messages on the model's other accounts (Twitter, Instagram, OnlyFans). If the girl will meet you for sex it's almost certainly because the guy is getting a cut.

3. The road to success with successful webcam models is the same as with high earning strippers. You can either throw so much money that she can't ignore it, or you need to establish yourself as a safe haven.

For many years I spent a lot of time and money in strip clubs, and got next to nothing in return. My first partial success came after spending a lot of money over several weeks on 1 girl. We met up a few times outside the club and she bought me lunch once. But no sex.

Years later a bored stripper started talking to me. We had mutual interests and eventually became friends. At the time I was still spending too much, with no success. Then my friend started sitting with me, just having normal conversations. Soon, almost every stripper was hanging out at my table if business was slow, and everyone greeted me. I started spending less, but got more access. At first just lunch or a few drinks, then it became dates and sex. All because I was comfortable and safe. I was someone who didn't treat them like strippers.

I used that when I was into webcams. I chatted, made jokes and avoided direct sexual comments. I tipped, not big amounts, but regularly. On a slow night a girl could depend on me to get some money. Keeping a balance between spending and chatting puts you in an elite group. You're not trying to get something for free and you're not trying to buy something, plus you're making webcam fun for the girls (and usually it's incredibly dull).

All of that got me into the friend zone, got me a few lunches with a successful webcam model and eventually got me an offer to be webcam model support in Colombia, a webcam model roommate and webcam model friends. And that cured me of the webcam model fantasy.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2749014]I got quoted for 1 hour 600 cop [/QUOTE]That's less than two dollars US so I think maybe you are missing several zeros. Probably three, in which case those prices are extremely high.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2748934]From my perspective, it is more about cost and time. If El Centro is my main playground, I will chat with the girl but I won't negotiate too much except cost. I can fuck 7 girls in El Centro for the cost of getting an outcall to my place. I can fuck at least 20 girls in El Centro for what I paid for one in Sao Paulo. I will try my luck in the room and keep the base cost low in El Centro. That is what you observe GB is doing thus far so we are not that different. The reason I won't do the same with outcall simply because the cost is high. In Sao Paulo, I won't even take the girl is she does not DFK when negotiating. The reason is the same, cost is very high. LOL[/QUOTE]So Brazil is way more expensive than Colombia?

You build up a list of contacts and tell them approximately when you will be there. You don't bring up money until you are there and ready for them. Bringing up money before is telling them you
have no experience in this and are easy prey. Can't blame them for quoting you a high price. Why not? You are basically telling them you have no idea what you are doing. Read the prior posts here that will help you.
Telling them that you can not talk money because it is illegal in the USA is ridiculous. These girls aren't going to believe or care. Just another example you don't know what you are doing
[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2749087]I would personally say from my experience that a few weeks is not too far out to start communicating with the chicas. It is too far out to start negotiations though, you can mention money so they know what you are looking for but stall negotiating prices until just before you go or even when you arrive and are setting up an actual cita (appointment) tell them some BS that since I am currently in the USA that I cannot talk business becuase its not legal here. Many of these chicas are going to ghost you anyway - dont take it personally they fly by the seat of their pants and are not good with appointments. Best to wait until you are ready to nail down an appointment then negotiate.

Besides I would talk to a hundred chicas in that time frame you have before you go down there. There are thousands of them literally - pros and what I call semi pros. When I started Cupid had real time IM chat windows and I would have to juggle between the chicas I was talking to in real time. But I started communicating early before my first trip because it can take that long to find chicas that you really like. I was clueless when I started so communicating with a lot of chicas was educational. I like GFE and the ones I've gotten the best GFE from are the chicas I spent time communicating with before hand - I want to qualify this by saying that I know my boundaries - but if they blow you off becuase you are not ready to negotiate they may be too business like to offer up good GFE
When you get your PM set up send me a message and I will give you more tips and some leads.[/QUOTE]

Got my PM priveleges but your inbox is full.

Finally got my sub. Your inbox is full Mojo Bandit.

All the tips have been great.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2749087]I would personally say from my experience that a few weeks is not too far out to start communicating with the chicas. It is too far out to start negotiations though, you can mention money so they know what you are looking for but stall negotiating prices until just before you go or even when you arrive and are setting up an actual cita (appointment) tell them some BS that since I am currently in the USA that I cannot talk business becuase its not legal here. Many of these chicas are going to ghost you anyway - dont take it personally they fly by the seat of their pants and are not good with appointments. Best to wait until you are ready to nail down an appointment then negotiate. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2749136]I would say stay offline and wait until you get there and go to in-person places like casas. After paying those chicks 40 K or whatever, you will no longer even entertain a chick saying 600 K no matter how hot you think she is. Get to know the place before blindly committing to online shit.[/QUOTE]Exactly, no need for that online, prearranged stuff down in MDE. The females are waiting for you, no reason to already commit to something online, unless of course you don't have a mouth peice for face to face interaction.

I arrived in Medellin Saturday night and went to my place in Laureles. I checked with the host and it is girl friendly as long as there are no parties. I'll PM the link to any senior member who has contributed to the forum after I leave. I was somewhat tired but wanted to get things started off right and so I ordered some local cialis via Rappi while messaging some facebook and mileroticos girls. I considered La Isla but it is a bit far and I didn't want to blow a ton of money when I was tired from my flight. Trying to setup some facebook girls for tomorrow so we'll see how that goes. Anyways, the first girl that seemed ok was this one: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/soy-tu-pasion-tu-fantasia-tengo-20-anos-deseosa-de-aprender-tus-fetiches/23642172/[/URL] and I got her location. I waited for my Rappi to arrive, took my cialis and uber'd the the place. It appears to be right next to Fantasias Spa. The address is Carrera 74#49-107. I didn't see it on the map but maybe it can be added. I get buzzed up and my girl shows me in. It is a nice place. The room I was in had a circular bed, a massage table, a regular bed, a sofa, and a bathroom. My biggest problem was when I took a shower the water was only cold. The girl is the same as the pictures. She isn't a model or anything but at least she provides honest pictures. The session was decent, the girl didn't do OWO or give kisses but did give peaks. We did a couple of positions. The girls attitude was a bit cold when I started but in the end she warmed up a bit and we talked after I came. Apparently 11 girls work at the location and it is open until midnight (at least on Saturday). I had an appointment but she said you don't need one. Overall I was happy with the session. Paid the girl 90 K at the beginning and gave her another 20 K tip at the end for good service (Please don't yell at me too much for this). She seemed a bit disappointed and I said you would get more for OWO, DFK or a massage to which she happily responded "next time". Since it is rather close to me, I may go again, potentially with another girl. May also look to go to Energy sometime later since I am interested in their threesome for only 250 k.

[QUOTE=ChrisH;2749269]Exactly, no need for that online, prearranged stuff down in MDE. The females are waiting for you, no reason to already commit to something online, unless of course you don't have a mouth peice for face to face interaction.[/QUOTE]There's a need for the online prearranged stuff in Medellin. If there wasn't a need there wouldn't be so much of it.

Everyone has their own idea of the perfect experience. Online options work better for some.

Shout out to Jjbee62 again!

I totally get it and I agree with you for everything regarding webcam. Not living in Colombia and only visiting once a year for a week to 10 days certainly puts one behind the 8 ball.

To build on your story about developing a bond. In university on the weekends I would go to strip club s before hitting the bars and clubs. This was late 90's early 2000's when strip clubs were still popular. After being a regular I met a guy who was a private driver for the girls. Long before Uber. Small talk happened one night and he was in need of help and asked If I could drive a girl. I was like wow a stripper, drive her Sure. Was strictly professional. Then he gained my trust and drove a few strippers and massage parlour girls. It wa perfect. Leave my club at 2 am and then on the way home pick pick up a few strippers and drive them. You became " cool" with them sort of speak. You were not a customer anymore, and you gained their trust. I met their husbands, boyfriends got their real Names LOL. No longer was she sky, she is Lisa. Stuff like that. They would sit with you when it's slow, even buy a round as well.

For example, any of us can go and hang out at a coffee shop outside those gyms or even join a gym like smart fit etc. You will see the smoke shows come out. Prime time early morning and evening. These girls have them onky fans accounts, are maybe webcam models or have a "sponsor". Even if you are into fitness culture you still have a steep hill to climb to get them too, same with webcam. What you did takes time. Develop repoire etc. Patience. I am certain I can shore a few models as I did what you did. Just I need to be in colo, but for a much longer time, not 10 days a year.

Competing with big spenders can do the trick, but not many of us want to tip $5000 to some virtual chick. F that! Yet guys do that. She's probably banging some dude who can't rub two Pennies together. Or has some lesbian lover who looks like a teenage boy. Then you ask yourself. WTF! Go back to the drawing board, and read everything jibee62 says and even hopefully what I said here.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2749207]So Brazil is way more expensive than Colombia?[/QUOTE]Sao Paulo is more developed and it has more expensive / high end places, restaurants, cafes, and clubs. Sao Paulo metro costs about 0. 8 USD per ride. If Sao Paulo metro is fully loaded model, then Medellin's metro is the base model. The equivalent of expensive / high end places do not really exist in Medellin. The cover alone is 80 USD. There are cheap options and it starts at 10 minutes but still more expensive than El Centro.

The difference at service level is you get what you expect for what you pay in Sao Paulo. Medellin is the opposite, the higher price places have the most limited services.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749275].....Anyways, the first girl that seemed ok was this one: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/soy-tu-pasion-tu-fantasia-tengo-20-anos-deseosa-de-aprender-tus-fetiches/23642172/[/URL] and I got her location......[/QUOTE]Were the boobies natural?

Now that this place is "on the map" I am very interested in hearing how guys rate the experience compared to its more famous next door neighbor Energy. Ten years ago Energy stood out because its facilities were nicely appointed compared to other casas. And especially compared to Centro casas. I was last there maybe six months ago with some out of town friends with weekend warrior tendencies. It is starting to look a little run down in the reception areas. I have not been in one of their rooms in several years but my second hand information is they are still spacious and clean. While I was cooling my heels downstairs waiting for my shot caller friends it dawned on me that the volume of guys coming and going (including a group who were allowed to drive into the downstairs garage before getting out of their car) at the atmosphere reminded me of New Life. I got to see the lineup. It also reminded me of New Life.

OK back to the next door neighbor. Obviously it is at a price point that is noticeably below Energy's. The rooms I've seen there are larger versions of what you find in Zandaly and Amigas Sexxy and a step above Aiffe and Zaza. A few of the girls there are fairly popular on the Colombian review sites. I've written in passing about the place a week or two ago. As always I'm interested in seeing what others think.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749275]I arrived in Medellin Saturday night and went to my place in Laureles. I checked with the host and it is girl friendly as long as there are no parties. I'll PM the link to any senior member who has contributed to the forum after I leave. I was somewhat tired but wanted to get things started off right and so I ordered some local cialis via Rappi while messaging some facebook and mileroticos girls. I considered La Isla but it is a bit far and I didn't want to blow a ton of money when I was tired from my flight. Trying to setup some facebook girls for tomorrow so we'll see how that goes. Anyways, the first girl that seemed ok was this one: [URL]https://co.mileroticos.com/escorts/soy-tu-pasion-tu-fantasia-tengo-20-anos-deseosa-de-aprender-tus-fetiches/23642172/[/URL] and I got her location. I waited for my Rappi to arrive, took my cialis and uber'd the the place. It appears to be right next to Fantasias Spa. The address is Carrera 74#49-107. I didn't see it on the map but maybe it can be added. I get buzzed up and my girl shows me in. It is a nice place. The room I was in had a circular bed, a massage table, a regular bed, a sofa, and a bathroom. My biggest problem was when I took a shower the water was only cold. The girl is the same as the pictures. She isn't a model or anything but at least she provides honest pictures. The session was decent, the girl didn't do OWO or give kisses but did give peaks. We did a couple of positions. The girls attitude was a bit cold when I started but in the end she warmed up a bit and we talked after I came. Apparently 11 girls work at the location and it is open until midnight (at least on Saturday). I had an appointment but she said you don't need one. Overall I was happy with the session. Paid the girl 90 K at the beginning and gave her another 20 K tip at the end for good service (Please don't yell at me too much for this). She seemed a bit disappointed and I said you would get more for OWO, DFK or a massage to which she happily responded "next time". Since it is rather close to me, I may go again, potentially with another girl. May also look to go to Energy sometime later since I am interested in their threesome for only 250 k.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2749151]He does have a point. "Quality girl" doesn't mean the same thing to everyone. The OP might end up paying 600 k for a girl who he will believe was grossly overpriced, after the date. Another guy might pay 40 k for a girl who outperforms the 600 k girl in every way.[/QUOTE]Quality refers to the looks, not performance. Fashion model, fitness model, beauty pageant contestants, etc. Smoking hot women making everyone's heads turn. You won't find them in El Centro, or Lleras, or cheap casas.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749381]Quality refers to the looks, not performance. Fashion model, fitness model, beauty pageant contestants, etc. .[/QUOTE]Said it plenty of times now. That; s what quality means to YOU. Its not what it means to me, nor countless others. Fitness model might be ok, but fashion model? Yuk. Beauty contestants? Yuk, but depends which country.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749381]Smoking hot women making everyone's heads turn. You won't find them in El Centro, or Lleras, or cheap casas.[/QUOTE]Plenty of girls in Centro make my head turn.

Ultimately, what I am saying is quality is subjective. So it's redundant to ask where one can find quality. Am sure he simply means where can he pay a lot of money for a girl in Colombia. Paying a lot of money in itself seems to validate a purchase for many buyers.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2749394]
Plenty of girls in Centro make my head turn.

Ultimately, what I am saying is quality is subjective. So it's redundant to ask where one can find quality. Am sure he simply means where can he pay a lot of money for a girl in Colombia. Paying a lot of money in itself seems to validate a purchase for many buyers.[/QUOTE]I don't see girls that would make my head turn in El Centro. Cute at best, but not quality. You probably have lower standards, which is not necessarily a bad thing, because you have more options to work with.

Paying more can definitely get you a better looking girl, but price and performance do not correlate.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749397]IYou probably have lower standards, which is not necessarily a bad thing, because you have more options to work with.

Paying more can definitely get you a better looking girl, but price and performance do not correlate.[/QUOTE]I know that's what you think, which is why I find your comments funny. "lower standards" - hahaha. So says the MB, the Official Authority on Quality Standards. What you should say is "Different standards".

"Paying more can definitely get you a better looking girl, " - you drank the Kool Aid.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2749402]

"Paying more can definitely get you a better looking girl, " - you drank the Kool Aid.[/QUOTE]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2749321]There's a need for the online prearranged stuff in Medellin. If there wasn't a need there wouldn't be so much of it.

Everyone has their own idea of the perfect experience. Online options work better for some.[/QUOTE]Correct, for those that Lack a mouth piece.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749381]Quality refers to the looks, not performance. Fashion model, fitness model, beauty pageant contestants, etc. Smoking hot women making everyone's heads turn. You won't find them in El Centro, or Lleras, or cheap casas.[/QUOTE]Nope. Unless you're just looking and jerking off, quality involves a lot more than just looks. For most of us, sex requires the participation of at least 1 woman. If the woman just lays on her back and says "get it over with", it doesn't matter what she looks like, she's minimal quality.

On the other hand, a woman who always works to make sure you get the best session and who enjoys her work is high quality. Of course that only applies if you're fucking instead of just looking at Instagram accounts.

Best part, you can find beautiful women, who will rock your world and look great doing it, anywhere in Medellin. However, you'll need to stop dreaming on Instagram first.

[QUOTE=ChrisH;2749413]Correct, for those that Lack a mouth piece.[/QUOTE]So, for example, the guy who just has a 6-8 hour layover in a city, who wants to maximize his short stop, instead of setting up something online before, just lacks a mouthpiece because he doesn't have time to deal with traffic twice, walking around and negotiating a deal, once he finds a girl?

Or the guy who wakes up at 2 am and feels the urge lacks a mouthpiece because he doesn't want to get dressed, get a taxi and try to find someone acceptable from the few girls available? Instead, he can pick up his phone and in less than 15 minutes have a girl on the way to him.

There are times when guys don't want to go walk around looking in the rain. There are times when guys want to setup something which is difficult to arrange on the street, yet quite simple online.

Simply passing it off as "lacking a mouthpiece" shows a lack of imagination.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]Not everyone wants a fitness model.

The other point is that there are plenty of women who are just as fit and just as attractive as the fitness model, but aren't working as one. My Facebook has dozens of them, although I generally pay $40-$50. Or I can spend $80 for a fitness model working internationally (and who is a sexual Olympian).

This is a good thread to move to "stupid shit in Medellin" Mr. Moderator.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2749402]I know that's what you think, which is why I find your comments funny. "lower standards" - hahaha. So says the MB, the Official Authority on Quality Standards. What you should say is "Different standards".

"Paying more can definitely get you a better looking girl, " - you drank the Kool Aid.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tudman;2749009]Hello, I was experiencing with webcam (mostly gals from Colombia and for this thread, a few medellin cam girls). I started in 2021 as covid restrictions hit Canada and with the cold weather at the time I said why not. Kill some time. Ohhh shout out to those like jjbee22 dropping knowledge and experience. Thanks!

Got a few whatsapps (stupid of me as I now know that's a dead end) I always like the challenge to shore "prostitutes". Strippers and such. These girls IMHO are virtual prostitutes not models. I guess industry leaders insisted in models to eliminate any shame as prepago sounds better than prostitute. Or off on another topic how abortion advocates use the word fetus as opposed to baby when discussing abortion. Point is, my definition is that they are prostitutes who work virtually.

Fast forward, when giving tokens as tips or getting private time with them, it's just like a stripper taking to you at your table or in the vip section booth if having a dance or 2. Their goal is to take out as much money as possible. Bear in mind my senior experienced members, maybe this might help a new fish. The success rate of converting a whatsapp into something deeper is slim. Happened to me but go figure, my chicks live in other cities. I do not want to fly them in. Send the money vis western union then get the. Text, ohhh I can't make it etc. As for the medellin chicks, either they don't do meetups, or made a few excuses (nice way of rejecting your date offer) .

I am stubborn at times, and I want to be able to get a webcam chick even for a date (without buying her time if that makes sense). So far I struck out. Granted, I was in medellin for a few days in 2021 and 7 days in 2022. You can't do sh!! If you want to meet up. I have a big strike against me, I do not live there and am there for a few days. Best is to pay the chicks and get on with it.

After talking with a few webcam chicks this is what they usually say like it is scripted. Both independent and girls who work in studios. In no particular order.[/QUOTE]I get webcam girls all the time. Maybe you don't know what to look for.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2749268]Finally got my sub. Your inbox is full Mojo Bandit.

All the tips have been great.[/QUOTE]I cleared out my mailbox but it still is not letting me send messages. Can you try to send me one and see if I can reply.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749381]Quality refers to the looks, not performance. Fashion model, fitness model, beauty pageant contestants, etc. Smoking hot women making everyone's heads turn. You won't find them in El Centro, or Lleras, or cheap casas.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]As far as getting what you pay for, the value of my house has more than doubled since I bought it. No way I would buy it at the price it is valued at now. To me it is not worth that. The same as I see these chicks with a bunch of makeup and high heels that want $300 at Gustos. Simply not worth it to me. But if you are willing to pay for a $300 hood rat with heels and makeup, you will definitively get that.

The other day I was in the Dominican Republic and went to my usual barber shop. There is a chick there that does nails but I never paid any attention to her. Just looks like any normal chick to me. But the other day I decided to get my nails done there. We were in her room and her phone was out. The front picture was this bad ass chick. I said who the hell is that? She said that is me. I said it sure doesn't look like it. She says that is how I am when I take the time to fix up my hair and put on makeup and stuff. And she showed me other pictures in her phone. Looked just like ever other instagram model that these guys keep drooling over and calling quality and smoking hot. She was no fitness model, fashion model, or beauty contestant, but there she was doing my nails.

You can get a chick that is ugly as hell for $600; if you think you can't then you are delusional. Last time someone posted a report on Luna Lunera all the chicks there were the same price. Is this because all the chicks there look the same? Because according to you, the better looking chicks would be a higher price.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2749014]I've been lurking for months but only recently got posting privileges. And then weekend will be one week since I sent transfered Bitcoin and messaged admin. But no sub yet.

I'll be going to making my first trip in November and am excited.

I don't think I get PM yet, let's hope tomorrow! I need all the help I can get to make this the best trip. I consider myself a very green monger![/QUOTE]Hey Marxh, I'm also planning to do my first trip on early Nop. I don't speak Spanish and only rely on this forum. My plan is just hit as many casa as I can since I'm just going to stay there for 4 days. Any tips, tricks, list of prices from all of you are much appreciated! Oh, And I want to see dentist as well if anyone can recommend one. I'm planning to stay in Nutibara.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for.[/QUOTE]Definitely not true in the PFP game.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]Well I'm sure they don't work as fitness models, LOL, however, I found some very pretty girls with nice tight bodies in el Centro this week.

If you're good at the gab, can get the confidence of some of these girls, and willing to add a little to the price, good GFE is available.

Definitely have to have patience and know how to vet them out, but they're out there.

Just left the Botero, off to Bogota.

Enjoy!

[QUOTE=Ottotot;2749487]Hey Marxh, I'm also planning to do my first trip on early Nop. I don't speak Spanish and only rely on this forum. My plan is just hit as many casa as I can since I'm just going to stay there for 4 days. Any tips, tricks, list of prices from all of you are much appreciated! Oh, And I want to see dentist as well if anyone can recommend one. I'm planning to stay in Nutibara.[/QUOTE]The information you want is in the user blog [B]Medellin Map and List[/B]. 4 days is probably not enough to see a dentist. If you can book one before you arrive, maybe.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]Yes sometimes you get what you pay for, sometimes you don't.

Ever hear of overpaying MB? Of course you have.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2749207]So Brazil is way more expensive than Colombia?[/QUOTE]Specifically, the high-end places in Sao Paulo (most notably Scandallo) are more expensive. But there's nothing in Medellin remotely close to those places as far as quality and quality of women. You do have plenty much less expensive places in both Sao Paulo and Rio also. But most guys are going to want to go to Scandallo at least one night if they're in Sao Paulo.

Hey guys,

I've been RTFF for about a year now and I've decided to pull the trigger and come Nov 12-Nov 19. I'm probably going to stay in the noob friendly Dorado La 70 or Energy Apartments. I don't speak Spanish at all, so I'll probably struggle. I'm going to try and learn some phrases, but do you guys have tips for finding paisas / girls who are able to speak English? Any areas / places I should check out? And, while your dicks are recharging, what do you guys like to do?

Also, what are the strip clubs like? Is it anything like Hong Kong in Tijuana, where you go and basically pick & pay? If anyone's going to be here in mid November like me and wants to monger together, lmk!

I had terrible luck with facebook girls today (Sunday) and all of my girls flaked. One said she would come at 6 but cancelled at 5 which took away any chance I had to go to centro or to the casas. I didn't get much better response from any of the other independent escort sites either. Thus I decided to go with La Celestina, who isn't as good in Medellin as it is in Bogota, will at least provide a guaranteed girl. They sent me the 4 girls they had available and I chose Alison Garcia (you can find pictures of her on the website). They made me pay a deposit of 100 mil pesos for her which is a first in my experience with the agency but since I had done business with them before I went ahead and sent it. Alison arrived (early if you can believe it) and while it is the same girl as in the pictures, she is about 5-10 kg heavier with less formed tits. I walked her in and we sat on the couch and talked (the spanish learning is paying off as I could feel her get way more comfortable as we continued and we played some music on the TV). She started giving me a massage with my shirt off which moved into kissing my body and some DFK. We moved to the bedroom where the DFK and groping continued as we took off our clothes. One best practice I have is to book a two bedroom apartment. I keep all my stuff in one room and just fuck girls in the other. The most a girl could steal is the towel I gave her to dry off since all my other valuables are behind a locked door and in a locked drawer. She proceeded to give me a CBJ which was surprisingly good. She seemed to really like deepthroating and used the saliva from it to massage my balls. I was close to cumming when I asked her to come on top off my for some cowgirl. She obliged and we fucked for a while until I came in the condom. She then took the condom off of my and went to take a shower. We talked for a bit after until she took her ride home. I probably wouldn't book with her again since there are way hotter girls in Medellin for a lower price but her service and attitude was good.

[QUOTE=Combo;2749516]Specifically, the high-end places in Sao Paulo (most notably Scandallo) are more expensive. But there's nothing in Medellin remotely close to those places as far as quality and quality of women. You do have plenty much less expensive places in both Sao Paulo and Rio also. But most guys are going to want to go to Scandallo at least one night if they're in Sao Paulo.[/QUOTE]I have to disagree that the quality of the women in Scandallo are beyond what you can find in Medellin. Perhaps it was just bad luck when I visited but the two times I visited Scandallo, there were only 2-3 girls who were better than what you can find in Medellin between La Isla, Gustos and Seeking. And those girls basically always had customers which basically meant waiting in line if you wanted to bang them and only getting to bang them after 3 other guys just finished. I think La Isla can rather easily be compared to Scandallo but at a much lower cost. The one thing that Scandallo has that is really special is that it puts up an incredibly classy façade (fancy restaurant, patio, bar, game room). Like you feel like you are in some sort of elite meetup with the 1% when in reality it's still just a glorified casa. I feel like there are some FKKs that are designed similarly though service in Brazil will almost always beat whatever service you will get in Europe.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749549]I had terrible luck with facebook girls today (Sunday) and all of my girls flaked.[/QUOTE]I have found that most of my Facebook friends don't respond to messages on the weekends.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2749409]You get what you pay for. Never heard of? If you think you can get a fitness model for 10 bucks, you are delusional.[/QUOTE]If I wanted a fitness model, I would go to the gym or a modelling agency and pay the rate. If I wanted a FK I would go downtown and pay USD 10.

Now if I wanted a FK w a fitness model. I would be thinking to myself. WTF is a fitness model working in the sex trade for? Maybe I made some bad assmptions about quality here.

Which venue has the hotter girls - La Isla or Loutron?

The flake factor is something I learned to eliminate. I make it clear to potential companions there is a 15-minute grace period from the established meeting time, after which there will be no meeting. In the rare cases where I don't have a plan be at the ready, I'm willing to accept postponement requests if they come before the end of the grace period. Those instances are rare. By the time the grace period is up, I normally move on. I remember people telling me I would become more patient as I age. That has not so far turned out to be true. We all have a limited amount of time to enjoy our lives. God forbid but sometimes it is less time than expected. This is why I refuse to fritter any of that time away waiting, hoping, and wondering if somebody is going to fulfill their time commitment. I take the mystery out of it. There are so many options in Medellin between mileroticos, Centro, casas, and personal contacts it just makes no sense to me to be up in the air over the whims of some girl.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749549]I had terrible luck with facebook girls today (Sunday) and all of my girls flaked. One said she would come at 6 but cancelled at 5 which took away any chance I had to go to centro or to the casas. I didn't get much better response from any of the other independent escort sites either. Thus I decided to go with La Celestina, who isn't as good in Medellin as it is in Bogota, will at least provide a guaranteed girl. They sent me the 4 girls they had available and I chose Alison Garcia (you can find pictures of her on the website). They made me pay a deposit of 100 mil pesos for her which is a first in my experience with the agency but since I had done business with them before I went ahead and sent it. Alison arrived (early if you can believe it) and while it is the same girl as in the pictures, she is about 5-10 kg heavier with less formed tits. I walked her in and we sat on the couch and talked (the spanish learning is paying off as I could feel her get way more comfortable as we continued and we played some music on the TV). She started giving me a massage with my shirt off which moved into kissing my body and some DFK. We moved to the bedroom where the DFK and groping continued as we took off our clothes. One best practice I have is to book a two bedroom apartment. I keep all my stuff in one room and just fuck girls in the other. The most a girl could steal is the towel I gave her to dry off since all my other valuables are behind a locked door and in a locked drawer..[/QUOTE]

It varies by day / time of day. Loutron always costs more.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2749632]Which venue has the hotter girls - La Isla or Loutron?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749549]...They made me pay a deposit of 100 mil pesos for her which is a first in my experience with the agency....[/QUOTE]They must not have your old record so they treat you as a new customer and they require a deposit when you are not staying in a hotel. They should not ask a deposit if you use the same whatsapp to contact them next time.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749551]The one thing that Scandallo has that is really special is that it puts up an incredibly classy faade (fancy restaurant, patio, bar, game room). Like you feel like you are in some sort of elite meetup with the 1% when in reality it's still just a glorified casa.[/QUOTE]Isn't this whole thing about a facade? If you went home with most of these chicks and saw how they live and spent any real time with them then you would probably not be fucking them with your worst enemy's dick and would not think the so-called "high end" ones are worth what you are paying.

Yesterday in Barranquilla I met up with a teacher who is working on her masters degree. From the facade one would think this chick might have a good head on her shoulders. Wrong! Beforehand she asked me 1 million questions that I would not answer. I told her I wanted her to concentrate on being where she was supposed to be when she was supposed to be there and what we were going to do on the outing. She arrived to the place SHE picked 30 minutes later than the time SHE picked and with NO plan. I said and this is exactly why I was not answering all the other shit you asked about. You had only 2 things to concentrate on and could not even handle that simple responsibility, yet you are asking about all kind of other shit.

Then I saw her phone was in disrepair and said come on. If you are going to be a professional then you need to present yourself as a professional. At least try to look like you take care of your things. Then being the nice guy that I am, I went and bought her a new screen protector and case for 38 K.

Then we went to a park and she was asking me about the distance from Tampa to Louisiana. I told her to be more specific. What type of distance was she asking about. I had to pull up a map to show her how distance in a car, boat, or plane would all be different. But on the google map it said miles so I said but better to convert this to kilometers so you will better understand the distance. So I took out the calculator and multiplied by 1. 6. She had no idea what I was doing.

Then I said wait a minute and pulled out a bottle of water. I said how big is this? She said it is not 1 liter. I said correct it is half of a liter. I said and how many milliliters are in half of a liter? She had no idea. So I showed her where 500 ML was on the bottle. Then I asked how many milliliters are in 1 liter. She had no idea. I tried to coax it out of her saying listen to the word. It is in the name. Milli. And she just about guessed every number except 1000. I said what the hell are y'all learning in school here? And even a better question is what or how are you teaching kids? She said she was not good at math. I said but this is not math, this is life. I mean if you are cooking. Then she said I can not cook.

Earlier she told me she wants to have a baby. I said and how the hell do you plan on taking care of a baby if you don't know how to give it 200 ML of formula? I sent her home because under that facade this was not the type of woman I wanted to be dealing with. She keeps sending me messages about wanting to have a serious relationship together. I was just glad I did not fuck this chick before seeing under the facade.

I mean if a Chinese chick online can put on makeup and 5 minutes later be looking like Michael Jackson, who knows what is lying under half of these quality chicks' facades.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2749669]They must not have your old record so they treat you as a new customer and they require a deposit when you are not staying in a hotel. They should not ask a deposit if you use the same whatsapp to contact them next time.[/QUOTE]That makes sense. I always get a new sim card when I visit and I previously always called girls to either a hotel or motel.

[QUOTE=BluePillow;2749547]Hey guys,

I've been RTFF for about a year now and I've decided to pull the trigger and come Nov 12-Nov 19. I'm probably going to stay in the noob friendly Dorado La 70 or Energy Apartments. I don't speak Spanish at all, so I'll probably struggle. I'm going to try and learn some phrases, but do you guys have tips for finding paisas / girls who are able to speak English? Any areas / places I should check out? And, while your dicks are recharging, what do you guys like to do?

Also, what are the strip clubs like? Is it anything like Hong Kong in Tijuana, where you go and basically pick & pay? If anyone's going to be here in mid November like me and wants to monger together, lmk![/QUOTE]San Peter Apartments is a better choice. Lots of English speaking mongers staying there and it's cheaper.

I specifically don't look for girls who speak English. They're harder to find and many of them charge more because they speak the language. Learn what you can and get comfortable using Google Translate.

Places to check out: Comuna 13 graffiti tour, Parque Arvi, Museo El Castillo are a few options. Checking out some of the malls, walking around the neighborhoods and exploring the Metro system are all things I've done when not doing the nasty.

The strip clubs range from dinky places, not much bigger than a 2 car garage (with cheap plastic chairs and tables) to 1 that would be the best club in most US cities. All have rooms on site and what you see on stage or working the floor will happily take you to a room for a price.

Family time.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2749623]I have found that most of my Facebook friends don't respond to messages on the weekends.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BluePillow;2749547]Hey guys,

I've been RTFF for about a year now and I've decided to pull the trigger and come Nov 12-Nov 19. I'm probably going to stay in the noob friendly Dorado La 70 or Energy Apartments. I don't speak Spanish at all, so I'll probably struggle. I'm going to try and learn some phrases, but do you guys have tips for finding paisas / girls who are able to speak English? Any areas / places I should check out? And, while your dicks are recharging, what do you guys like to do?

Also, what are the strip clubs like? Is it anything like Hong Kong in Tijuana, where you go and basically pick & pay? If anyone's going to be here in mid November like me and wants to monger together, lmk![/QUOTE]Every strip club is that way, although smaller than Hong Kong and different room arrangement. The facilities aren't as nice.

I'd start with Fase II and those close to it like San Diego, La Isla if you want to go for a bit of a drive, and if you want to be adventurous you can try Barre Ejecutiva and others in El Centro like Grille Nueva and Conejitas.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2749693]San Peter Apartments is a better choice. Lots of English speaking mongers staying there and it's cheaper.

I specifically don't look for girls who speak English. They're harder to find and many of them charge more because they speak the language. Learn what you can and get comfortable using Google Translate.

Places to check out: Comuna 13 graffiti tour, Parque Arvi, Museo El Castillo are a few options. Checking out some of the malls, walking around the neighborhoods and exploring the Metro system are all things I've done when not doing the nasty.

The strip clubs range from dinky places, not much bigger than a 2 car garage (with cheap plastic chairs and tables) to 1 that would be the best club in most US cities. All have rooms on site and what you see on stage or working the floor will happily take you to a room for a price.[/QUOTE]Thanks, do you have any other places you'd recommend? San Peter Apartments don't have rooms for the 12th - 19th. I guess I should look for a doorman and a place that lets guests, those are the two most important right? Also, what's the one strip club that would be amazing?

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2749623]I have found that most of my Facebook friends don't respond to messages on the weekends.[/QUOTE]In general Saturday night is date night where chicas go out with their real boyfriends and Sundays are family day.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2749634]The flake factor is something I learned to eliminate. I make it clear to potential companions there is a 15-minute grace period from the established meeting time, after which there will be no meeting. In the rare cases where I don't have a plan be at the ready, I'm willing to accept postponement requests if they come before the end of the grace period. Those instances are rare. By the time the grace period is up, I normally move on. I remember people telling me I would become more patient as I age. That has not so far turned out to be true. We all have a limited amount of time to enjoy our lives. God forbid but sometimes it is less time than expected. This is why I refuse to fritter any of that time away waiting, hoping, and wondering if somebody is going to fulfill their time commitment. I take the mystery out of it. There are so many options in Medellin between mileroticos, Centro, casas, and personal contacts it just makes no sense to me to be up in the air over the whims of some girl.[/QUOTE]It is true that girls will be late or have excuses for not showing up on time and will show up much later. It is part of the game if you decide to use Facebook for mongering. If you are only giving girls a 15 minute grace period, you are going to do a lot of cancelling and you probably should not use Facebook to look for girls. It is also part of the culture in Colombia where time is more easy going. Traffic is also an issue. I would agree that if you are not tolerant of girls being late, you should be seeing streetwalkers, casas and nightclub girls instead. You don't have to put with it if you don't want. FB girls generally will not show up on time. It does take a lot of patience if you want to play the FB game but you don't have to play on FB, there are other options.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2749750]In general Saturday night is date night where chicas go out with their real boyfriends and Sundays are family day.[/QUOTE]I've been invited and participated in many Saturday / Sunday family events, especially when a holiday falls on a Monday, which happens a lot out here. This past summer there was literally 3 consecutive weeks with Mondays being a holiday in each of them. All I can say the barrio block parties are out of this world. Come with a fresh liver because guaro and ron going to be poured endlessly out of carton containers. Grandmas and grandpas would go shot for shot with me goddamn, I loved it! They would say better treat my granddaughter right hehe. Most of the time, the families know their daughter / granddaughter are in the prepago business because they know a day job won't cut it. Other times, the girl would specifically tell me to be discreet and that their families don't know what they do on the side. Either way, I'm putting it in hehe. Respecting and appreciating their culture and speaking the language goes a long way in the barrios, and having a strong liver definitely helps. And nothing beats homemade sancocho and frijoles!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2749752]It is true that girls will be late or have excuses for not showing up on time and will show up much later. It is part of the game if you decide to use Facebook for mongering. If you are only giving girls a 15 minute grace period, you are going to do a lot of cancelling and you probably should not use Facebook to look for girls. It is also part of the culture in Colombia where time is more easy going. Traffic is also an issue. I would agree that if you are not tolerant of girls being late, you should be seeing streetwalkers, casas and nightclub girls instead. You don't have to put with it if you don't want. FB girls generally will not show up on time. It does take a lot of patience if you want to play the FB game but you don't have to play on FB, there are other options.[/QUOTE]The "on time" issue is not just working girls. Had a long class discussion with a spanish teacher from Colombia about this. In social situations it is normal for people to show up 1 or 2 hours late, in fact not very cool to actually show up on time. It is a "thing" for informal social get togethers. If someone says I'm having a few people over at 6 for drinks. No one will show up until 7:30 at the earliest. Just being cool.

Don't know if this is part of the working girl mentality, but if they are viewing their dates as social events then that is very possible. They see these sorts of appointments as social, not business or like a medical appointment.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2748934]From my perspective, it is more about cost and time. If El Centro is my main playground, I will chat with the girl but I won't negotiate too much except cost. I can fuck 7 girls in El Centro for the cost of getting an outcall to my place. I can fuck at least 20 girls in El Centro for what I paid for one in Sao Paulo. I will try my luck in the room and keep the base cost low in El Centro. 😂 That is what you observe GB is doing thus far so we are not that different. The reason I won't do the same with outcall simply because the cost is high. In Sao Paulo, I won't even take the girl is she does not DFK when negotiating. The reason is the same, cost is very high. LOL[/QUOTE]I found more easily DFK in El Centro than calling some prepago. Prepago in Medellin is too random. It's very unlikely there is a girl behind the number. Usually there is a guy who answers for many girls. El Centro worked better for me in Medellin. And then Facebook of course. But I didn't have many contacts when I was there. I remember I brought home two girls I met in El Centro for a threesome, and one even rimmed my ass. Beautiful face, both young, but both with saggy tits, because they had kids. Which was a huge turn off for me. I couldn't know till I saw them naked.

In Sao Paulo is hard to find hot girls for cheap, but I met a few. The same girls you meet at Scandallo take less than half the money if you manage to meet them in a different context. With one in particular, which I fucked multiple times, I had two different threesome. The first was great because the other girl was really into it, the second one was not, the other girl was a joke. I definitely didn't pay 20 times the price I would have paid en El Centro (for the same time), but it was very hard to find a cheap hot girl. I also had one awful experience with a girl that I called to my place. We agreed for GFE but then she didn't want to kiss. This happened at least 3 times in Sao Paulo. So I said: look, you can go. She asked me money and I refused. The situation escalated till she threatened me with a taser. No need to say she went home without a single real. Also in Brazil I manage to fuck for free, in multiple occasions, one hot girl I met on Tinder. That didn't happen in Colombia. I guess that happened because I have been in Sao Paulo for a very long time. I don't think I could have scored the price I did if I was there for just two weeks. I spent there almost 5 months.

I know a few. I've never approached a girl on a camsite. Rather, I find them on facebook and now through an amiga. It's a common job so its not that hard. It's more likely you'll find women who dabble or do it occasionally than high level pros (though the first one I met does it full time and is relatively successful). Anyway, you have a much higher chance of charming her on normal social media than via a camsite. Just talk to them, meet them and also be aware of their photos on social media as they can clue you in to her job. One of my amigas have clothed cam-style photos on her facebook profile.

[QUOTE=Tudman;2749009]Hello, I was experiencing with webcam (mostly gals from Colombia and for this thread, a few medellin cam girls). I started in 2021 as covid restrictions hit Canada and with the cold weather at the time I said why not. Kill some time. Ohhh shout out to those like jjbee22 dropping knowledge and experience. Thanks!. [/QUOTE]

I agree, I don't consider the facebook scene worth the amount of my time it would consume. It's in the same category as waiting at a carousel in an airport baggage claim area. I don't do that either. If there were any relative benefit I would maybe deal with it from time to time.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2749752]It is true that girls will be late or have excuses for not showing up on time and will show up much later. It is part of the game if you decide to use Facebook for mongering. If you are only giving girls a 15 minute grace period, you are going to do a lot of cancelling and you probably should not use Facebook to look for girls. It is also part of the culture in Colombia where time is more easy going. Traffic is also an issue. I would agree that if you are not tolerant of girls being late, you should be seeing streetwalkers, casas and nightclub girls instead. You don't have to put with it if you don't want. FB girls generally will not show up on time. It does take a lot of patience if you want to play the FB game but you don't have to play on FB, there are other options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2749805]The "on time" issue is not just working girls. Had a long class discussion with a spanish teacher from Colombia about this. In social situations it is normal for people to show up 1 or 2 hours late, in fact not very cool to actually show up on time. It is a "thing" for informal social get togethers. If someone says I'm having a few people over at 6 for drinks. No one will show up until 7:30 at the earliest. Just being cool.

Don't know if this is part of the working girl mentality, but if they are viewing their dates as social events then that is very possible. They see these sorts of appointments as social, not business or like a medical appointment.[/QUOTE]This "open widow of time" for arrival might be true for parties that last through an evening, as it often is in many cultures including the US. But this claim that it's "cultural" for Latin American women to show up for appointments an hour or two late is a myth that is slow to die in forums like this as it goes full circle every month or two. It's very easy to disprove with a simple experiment, leave the girl waiting past the appointed time and watch your phone blow up with frantic messages within 60 seconds. LOL No it's only "Colombia time" when it's your time wasted, but as someone else noted traffic can be a issue so some leeway of about 30 minutes is reasonable.

P.S. Last trip for whatever reason I had several show up early, and a few when I wasn't ready yet. They had to wait.

Finally popped my facebook cherry today when I called Montoya Paulina. I had been messaging her for a couple of days (she initiated contact) and told her to come at around 9:30. She ends up arriving at around 10:45 even after continuous communication. She is the girl in the facebook profile and the pictures are relatively accurate for her body. Her face seems to have been touched up or perhaps is in a better lighting in her profile pictures but isn't as good. Decent bolt on tits but I can still see the scars from when she got them and a very nice ass. She is rather fit. I show her in and we sit for a short while before she asks to take a shower. She asks to go to the bedroom where she does an ok BBBJ and I give her some oral as well as suck her tits and start giving her some kisses. Her kisses are rather weak. There was some tongue but no passion in it at all. We fucked in a couple of positions (doggystyle is good with her since her ass is quite nice and she looks back so you can see her face while you are fucking her. I cum inside the condom and we talk for about 2 minutes before she goes to take a shower. She calls her ride, I give her the standard FB girl rate and gives me a kiss goodbye. Overall, I don't think I would repeat with her since I didn't feel any chemistry between us. She seemed rather tired and mentioned that she has work a 8 in the morning. She has a 10 years old daughter (I think the chica is around 27) and works in a clothing store in Poblado so I think she is a semi-pro. I think she also has a husband / boyfriend who is in on this since she was receiving a call from "amor" while in the shower and left in the same car that dropped her off. I think she probably makes pretty good money though since she had one of the newer iphone models.

A quick note on how Chica time seems to work:

Next week=Never.

Tomorrow=Ask me a couple hours before you want me.

One hour=2-3 hours.

30 minutes=1. 5 hours.

10 minutes= 30 minutes.

Could someone fill me in on the weather there. Coming first week of November. I know it's usually 60 to about 70 degrees but what about the rain.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2748896]On my first trip to Medellin, I was happy with the outcome of meeting girls from Facebook. Yes, there were girls who chatted with me and said they would meet me but did not meet me. There were also girls who confirmed that they would meet me and then ghosted me. But it was far less than my online dating experience in the Philippines. On Facebook, girls usually had a fair number of pictures and most looked like their pictures when they showed up. Most of the girls that I saw were semi-pros or at least girls who denied that they were escorts but were open to pay for play when they need money. Generally I offered 200 to 250 mil for 2 hours. Sometimes transport was included, most times it was extra and I paid the taxi when they arrived. None of the girls were business like and all performances were good to great. Most of the girls were in the 18-21 age range with ID verification at the hotel. I always looked at the ID myself before they entered the hotel and no one lied about their age.

I did not take any girls outside of FB on my first trip. Streetwalkers and casa girls will be on my agenda on a future trip. Yes, it is cheaper in El Centro but I was happy with my experiences with the FB girls coming to my hotel room.

I enjoyed my first visit to Medellin and I will return. I stayed in the Poblado region and I felt safe in the neighborhood. There are places that are more dangerous. I recommend staying in Poblado for newbies.[/QUOTE]Where are you guys finding girls on FB. Is there some group? Do you just search for girls from the city? Any details on the process would be appreciated. I like your style and would like to try it out.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2749925]Could someone fill me in on the weather there. Coming first week of November. I know it's usually 60 to about 70 degrees but what about the rain.[/QUOTE]This year has had an unseasonable amount of rain. I would definitely bring a light rain jacket and / or a small umbrella. 60 degrees early in the morning or late at night is very comfortable for me but if that is cold to you. You might bring a light jacket or some long sleeve hoodies.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749872]

A quick note on how Chica time seems to work:

Next week=Never.

Tomorrow=Ask me a couple hours before you want me.

One hour=2-3 hours.

30 minutes=1. 5 hours.

10 minutes= 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]This gets discussed periodically. There is the carrot or the stick approach.

Carrot approach: Tell her that if she arrives within 30 minutes of the appointed time she gets a 20 mil propina but if she is 31 minutes late, no propina. (Make it higher if that matters that much to you).

Stick approach: Tell her if she is 30 minutes late the date is cancelled and you will make other plans.

Some girls really have no sense of time, others are semi-pros and don't take cabs that much and have no sense of judging the traffic especially around morning or late afternoons sprawls.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749872]

A quick note on how Chica time seems to work:

Next week=Never.

Tomorrow=Ask me a couple hours before you want me.

One hour=2-3 hours.

30 minutes=1. 5 hours.

10 minutes= 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]Ooops I left out the all American classic which is: Deception. Make your date for 3:00 pm when you really want to start at 4:00 pm.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2749872]...A quick note on how Chica time seems to work:...[/QUOTE]For me, the appointment time for them is the time to start preparing or when they leave their home to come to my place.

Most of these girls do this line of work for a reason. Like your previous report, the agency's girl usually will be on time when they are managed.

I am not sure the generalization is true about the lateness. My guess is the more educated ones with a professional jobs will be more likely to be on time.

I have a date with this girl in Brzail in her club at 5 PM. She was on time. It took one hour to get to the club, and about another hour to get ready in the club. She drew a circle around her face when I asked what were you doing downstairs so long. LOL.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2749836]This "open widow of time" for arrival might be true for parties that last through an evening, as it often is in many cultures including the US. But this claim that it's "cultural" for Latin American women to show up for appointments an hour or two late is a myth that is slow to die in forums like this as it goes full circle every month or two. It's very easy to disprove with a simple experiment, leave the girl waiting past the appointed time and watch your phone blow up with frantic messages within 60 seconds. LOL No it's only "Colombia time" when it's your time wasted, but as someone else noted traffic can be a issue so some leeway of about 30 minutes is reasonable.

P.S. Last trip for whatever reason I had several show up early, and a few when I wasn't ready yet. They had to wait.[/QUOTE]Most of these women deal with gringos so they know that time can be an issue. Hence your phone blowing up. But I do think that the culture there, especially for social events, is more relaxed about time than most of us are used to. Whatever the reason, it is what it is, and if we are in this game, we need to reach a level of comfort unique to each of us. I think it makes for better experience to not get too worked up about it, but go with the flow and have ways to enjoy the time, even during waiting time. I just think the idea of "teaching them a lesson" or trying to change their behavior is a losing battle in the short term. But, to repeat, I think a lot of them are aware that it is a bigger issue with gringos. So over time the more experienced ones may get better at it. So if she shows up on time or early, a good chance she is well experienced with gringos.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2750002]I have a date with this girl in Brzail in her club at 5 PM. She was on time.[/QUOTE]Maybe she knew you meant business and she had better be on time after you called her an asshole.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2749811]...In Sao Paulo is hard to find hot girls for cheap, but I met a few. The same girls you meet at Scandallo take less than half the money if you manage to meet them in a different context. ....[/QUOTE]You can find them in Clinicas or other cheaper places if you spend enough time scouting those places. I found 3 in a month and I don't have a lot time during the day so I went mostly during weekend.

The problem with El Centron is BBBJ takes work and some luck with new girls if I can only go during weekend and only has one chance. lol. I know it is not just me because my wingman has similar problem. Occasionally, I saw other gringo approached the same girl with translator and was turned down.

I guess half an hour is 30-40 K cop + 7-8 K COP for roach motel but how much is una hora?

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2750007]I just think the idea of "teaching them a lesson" or trying to change their behavior is a losing battle in the short term.[/QUOTE]Not at all a losing battle if you plan to see them again, unless you want the same thing to happen over and over. You got to train them. Just gave a chick the 3rd degree about that the other day. She won't be late again.

Those are all valid points. If you factor them into how you move life becomes complicated. I like to keep it simple. Show up on time, or don't show up. I already covered the exceptions I tolerate.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2749978]This gets discussed periodically. There is the carrot or the stick approach.

Carrot approach: Tell her that if she arrives within 30 minutes of the appointed time she gets a 20 mil propina but if she is 31 minutes late, no propina. (Make it higher if that matters that much to you).

Stick approach: Tell her if she is 30 minutes late the date is cancelled and you will make other plans.

Some girls really have no sense of time, others are semi-pros and don't take cabs that much and have no sense of judging the traffic especially around morning or late afternoons sprawls.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2750007]I just think the idea of "teaching them a lesson" or trying to change their behavior is a losing battle in the short term.[/QUOTE]Not at all a losing battle if you plan to see them again, unless you want the same thing to happen over and over. You got to train them. Just gave a chick the 3rd degree about that the other day. She won't be late again.

Hi everyone, can you suggest a not so expensive hotel closer to energy, I am planning to book 2 rooms, one for personal and other for bringing girls over. I will be working remote and don't want to bring girl to the same room as my work set up. Love motel could you an option but I don't want to deal with logistics and dealing with flaky girls.

Any mid range hotel with chic friendly would be a nice set up for 2nd room. Also how are hostels like Masaya?

[QUOTE=QualitySmut;2749969]Where are you guys finding girls on FB. Is there some group? Do you just search for girls from the city? Any details on the process would be appreciated. I like your style and would like to try it out.[/QUOTE]Facebook is only a good source for Medellin. You won't have much success using it for other Colombian cities.

Go to the "Links to Reports of Distinction" thread and search for "Facebook. " You'll find some step-by-step instructions on how to get started.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750019]Maybe she knew you meant business and she had better be on time after you called her an asshole.[/QUOTE]I didn't know that. LOL. I knew this chick very well by that time.

[QUOTE=RemotePC;2750053]Hi everyone, can you suggest a not so expensive hotel closer to energy, I am planning to book 2 rooms, one for personal and other for bringing girls over. I will be working remote and don't want to bring girl to the same room as my work set up. Love motel could you an option but I don't want to deal with logistics and dealing with flaky girls.

Any mid range hotel with chic friendly would be a nice set up for 2nd room. Also how are hostels like Masaya?[/QUOTE]You can just book San Peter Apartments. It is one bed room. Or rent an airbnb with 2 bedroom.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2749925]Could someone fill me in on the weather there. Coming first week of November. I know it's usually 60 to about 70 degrees but what about the rain.[/QUOTE]The weather can be totally unpredictable. Very simply put, it can rain anytime.

There may not be a cloud in the sky, but ten minutes later it can be raining.

So some rules of the road for you. Never ever leave where your staying without an umbrella, and two, wherever your staying, always make sure every window is shut. Especially if your in an apartment because if you leave any windows open you may return to wet floors and furnishings which can be a nightmare to deal with.

Most people who come to Medellin for the first time learn all this the hard way by getting totally drenched from head to foot, and sometimes trying to dry out where they are staying.

Also, it's a good idea to bring at least two pairs of shoes with you.

Sometimes it can rain so hard the streets and sidewalks will overflow, and your shoes will become totally saturated. It's one thing to dry clothes out, but shoes are another matter.

This was a good question you asked.

I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. She propositioned a trio and I liked the girl she sent pictures of so we agreed. She initially asked for 400 k each but I negotiated down to 600 k including taxi, OWO, kisses with tongue, and for the girls to have sex with each other. I didn't trust the girls in my apartment so told them to go to a motel near me. We went to the love motel but the younger girl (Mariana Sosa in FB) did not have a cedula on her so they didn't let her in. The girl had a picture of her cedula but the motel didn't accept that. This was strike 1 and I should have followed my better judgement and broke it off there. I decided that the girls look ok and that I can keep an eye on them so I brought them to my apartment. Inside the girls wanted to rush to take a shower and go to the bedroom. This was strike 2 and I again should have sent them away. Once they washed up, Jenni tried to get wet using a vibrator while I tried to kiss both of them. They gave peaks but nothing more. I could smell that Jenni was high. She made up some BS excuse about not being willing to do OWO on me and the Mariana gave me CBJ. Jenni then rode me while Mariana sucked my nipple. I ended up coming like this since I love getting my nipple sucked and I was holding in two days of leche. Jenni said we are done since I came and I told them that it isn't time yet so to give me a massage. She said they would after a shower. They take a shower and give me perhaps the worst massage of my life and I have gotten some pretty shitty massages. After a couple of minutes I just want them to leave. I give her 500 k and say that this is for the whole mess. She refuses and wants the extra 100 k. At this point I just fucking hope I never have to see them again and give them the 100 k and kick them the fuck out. It was an expensive lesson learned and I hope to never deal with this again. The only positive is that I didn't end up paying for the motel so I saved 100 k there. I ended up blocking her on Whatsapp and FB afterwards. She has 2. 8 k friends so chances are that someone here may have the misfortune of dealing with her and hopefully can avoid it. Fuck, I should have just gone to centro and I would have had a better experience for a much lower price. The girls are young (22 and 18 I think) but a complete pissing of pesos.

What a pain in the ass. I'm sorry you had to go through that crap bro. I've seen reviews of facebook girls on here and other websites. It might be work vetting potential dates based on reviews. I hope the rest of your trip goes well.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. She propositioned a trio and I liked the girl she sent pictures of so we agreed. She initially asked for 400 k each but I negotiated down to 600 k including taxi, OWO, kisses with tongue, and for the girls to have sex with each other. I didn't trust the girls in my apartment so told them to go to a motel near me. We went to the love motel but the younger girl (Mariana Sosa in FB) did not have a cedula on her so they didn't let her in. The girl had a picture of her cedula but the motel didn't accept that. This was strike 1 and I should have followed my better judgement and broke it off there. I decided that the girls look ok and that I can keep an eye on them so I brought them to my apartment. Inside the girls wanted to rush to take a shower and go to the bedroom. This was strike 2 and I again should have sent them away. Once they washed up, Jenni tried to get wet using a vibrator while I tried to kiss both of them. They gave peaks but nothing more. I could smell that Jenni was high. She made up some BS excuse about not being willing to do OWO on me and the Mariana gave me CBJ. Jenni then rode me while Mariana sucked my nipple. I ended up coming like this since I love getting my nipple sucked and I was holding in two days of leche. Jenni said we are done since I came and I told them that it isn't time yet so to give me a massage. She said they would after a shower. They take a shower and give me perhaps the worst massage of my life and I have gotten some pretty shitty massages. After a couple of minutes I just want them to leave. I give her 500 k and say that this is for the whole mess. She refuses and wants the extra 100 k. At this point I just fucking hope I never have to see them again and give them the 100 k and kick them the fuck out. It was an expensive lesson learned and I hope to never deal with this again.[/QUOTE]

Good advice for sure, the rain is seasonal but as you said it can happen anytime. Mostly it starts around 4 PM and last anywhere from a few minutes, to hours. You get used to it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2750355]The weather can be totally unpredictable. Very simply put, it can rain anytime.

There may not be a cloud in the sky, but ten minutes later it can be raining.

So some rules of the road for you. Never ever leave where your staying without an umbrella, and two, wherever your staying, always make sure every window is shut. Especially if your in an apartment because if you leave any windows open you may return to wet floors and furnishings which can be a nightmare to deal with.

Most people who come to Medellin for the first time learn all this the hard way by getting totally drenched from head to foot, and sometimes trying to dry out where they are staying.

Also, it's a good idea to bring at least two pairs of shoes with you.

Sometimes it can rain so hard the streets and sidewalks will overflow, and your shoes will become totally saturated. It's one thing to dry clothes out, but shoes are another matter..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2750355]This was a good question you asked.[/QUOTE]Seriously? [URL]weather.com[/URL], [URL]accuweather.com[/URL], and list goes on with line graphs and bar graphs. Monthly, daily, hourly updates. Not hard information to find. Just check the hourly forecast each day for one week during the rainy season and that should suffice.

Trio situations usually go poorly and that especially applies when it's the girl's idea. And it's about sure it won't go well if you don't know either of them. They work together, scam together, and whatever they pulled with you they've done before. Regulated environments like casas are usually better for trios. Thanks for sharing.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. She propositioned a trio and I liked the girl she sent pictures of so we agreed. She initially asked for 400 k each but I negotiated down to 600 k including taxi, OWO, kisses with tongue, and for the girls to have sex with each other. I didn't trust the girls in my apartment so told them to go to a motel near me. We went to the love motel but the younger girl (Mariana Sosa in FB) did not have a cedula on her so they didn't let her in. The girl had a picture of her cedula but the motel didn't accept that. This was strike 1 and I should have followed my better judgement and broke it off there. I decided that the girls look ok and that I can keep an eye on them so I brought them to my apartment. Inside the girls wanted to rush to take a shower and go to the bedroom. This was strike 2 and I again should have sent them away. Once they washed up, Jenni tried to get wet using a vibrator while I tried to kiss both of them. They gave peaks but nothing more. I could smell that Jenni was high. She made up some BS excuse about not being willing to do OWO on me and the Mariana gave me CBJ. Jenni then rode me while Mariana sucked my nipple. I ended up coming like this since I love getting my nipple sucked and I was holding in two days of leche. Jenni said we are done since I came and I told them that it isn't time yet so to give me a massage. She said they would after a shower. They take a shower and give me perhaps the worst massage of my life and I have gotten some pretty shitty massages. After a couple of minutes I just want them to leave.[/QUOTE]1. Always make certain the girl (s) have their cedula. Stress the point that no cedula means no entry. A picture of a cedula is as useless as a picture of a $100 bill.

2. Never agree to a trio without first sessioning with at least one of the girls. Trios in Colombia are usually a waste of money, especially when both girls are unknowns.

3. Unless you're specifically looking for a trio, don't let someone guide you into one. It's almost certain to be a waste of money, and possibly something much worse.

4. If you make a rule don't break it because the little head wants something. You didn't want the 2 girls in your apartment, then brought them anyway. Not only did you risk them stealing, but bringing in a girl with no cedula and of uncertain age is potentially a very expensive mistake.

5. If a session is shitty, end it. Right from the start it was obvious you weren't getting what you wanted. Get your nut, pay them and show them the door.

Trios in Colombia are rarely the threesome experience you expect. Usually you're just paying someone to watch you fuck and to give the other girl a break so she can check her phone. No lesbian action, not getting double the pleasure. Only do it with someone who you know will give good service and who fully understands what you expect.

I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today.

She hasn't changed. About 2 1/2 yrs ago Jenni was my 1st facebook date, & remains to this day, the worst. I've done 20 or so fb dates, & she was truly the only bad 1. She did what I wanted but it was a total rush job. She told me I had an HR. & that was it. Complained all the way through. There are some bad ones out there, she is 1 of the worst!

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. She propositioned a trio and I liked the girl she sent pictures of so we agreed. She initially asked for 400 k each but I negotiated down to 600 k. I give her 500 k and say that this is for the whole mess. She refuses and wants the extra 100 k. At this point I just fucking hope I never have to see them again and give them the 100 k and kick them the fuck out. It was an expensive lesson learned and I hope to never deal with this again. Fuck, I should have just gone to centro and I would have had a better experience for a much lower price.[/QUOTE]I guess you get what you pay for? I thought facebook chicks were 150 to 200?

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. [/QUOTE]She's on my facebook I was going to avoid anyway not really into the spinner body type. Thanks for the heads up.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750638]I guess you get what you pay for? I thought facebook chicks were 150 to 200?[/QUOTE]So I'm interested in a trio, but seems tough to find. And I don't want to ask a girl for the reasons in the post. If anyone has any suggestions or direct me in the right direction that would be much appreciated. I'm subscribed so feel free to PM me.

Trying to make this the most memorable expression of Colombia!

TIA.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555] We went to the love motel but the younger girl (Mariana Sosa in FB) did not have a cedula on her so they didn't let her in. The girl had a picture of her cedula but the motel didn't accept that. This was strike 1 and I should have followed my better judgement and broke it off there. I decided that the girls look ok and that I can keep an eye on them so I brought them to my apartment.[/QUOTE]I try to be sympathetic in these situations but this time I just can't be. You took potential jailbait whose ID had been rejected by those who know more than you do, to your private home. That is dangerous on a level that you seemingly fail to understand. You need to go home. You are not ready for this.

[QUOTE=LebaneseBlonde;2750686]She's on my facebook I was going to avoid anyway not really into the spinner body type. Thanks for the heads up.[/QUOTE]I saw Jenni before COVID. She was very sweet and was happy with whatever money I gave her. I knew she became a pro when her Facebook started to explode with gringo friends. I lost track of her when she got pregnant. She changed her WhatsApp and disappeared completely. I saw her again on FB last year. She told me she was not interested in seeing guys because she had a child and a "husband".

I think the girl who taught her the business was Mariana Palacios. If you are friends with Jenni you probably have Mariana in your FB list. When I saw Jenni's WhatsApp status in expensive hotel bathrooms w Mariana I knew she was gone. Oh well.

Get ye to Centro. It may not be any more fulfilling than the Dandyman incident but it won't cost almost half a million pesos.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2750765]So I'm interested in a trio, but seems tough to find. And I don't want to ask a girl for the reasons in the post. If anyone has any suggestions or direct me in the right direction that would be much appreciated. I'm subscribed so feel free to PM me.

Trying to make this the most memorable expression of Colombia!

TIA.[/QUOTE]

These facebook stories are not filling me with curiosity or regret at not sourcing dates from facebook.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2750780]I saw Jenni before COVID. She was very sweet and was happy with whatever money I gave her. I knew she became a pro when her Facebook started to explode with gringo friends. I lost track of her when she got pregnant. She changed her WhatsApp and disappeared completely. I saw her again on FB last year. She told me she was not interested in seeing guys because she had a child and a "husband".

I think the girl who taught her the business was Mariana Palacios. If you are friends with Jenni you probably have Mariana in your FB list. When I saw Jenni's WhatsApp status in expensive hotel bathrooms w Mariana I knew she was gone. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

It seems we need to adopt a cancel culture to protect ourselves from some of these girls.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2750780]I saw Jenni before COVID. She was very sweet and was happy with whatever money I gave her. I knew she became a pro when her Facebook started to explode with gringo friends. I lost track of her when she got pregnant. She changed her WhatsApp and disappeared completely. I saw her again on FB last year. She told me she was not interested in seeing guys because she had a child and a "husband".

I think the girl who taught her the business was Mariana Palacios. If you are friends with Jenni you probably have Mariana in your FB list. When I saw Jenni's WhatsApp status in expensive hotel bathrooms w Mariana I knew she was gone. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JohnHancock11;2610033]There are plenty of guys here with much more FB experience than I, but mine is recent so I'll tell you what has worked for me. I'm going to assume you have already started by creating a secondary account or you plan on just using your main account. This post is not about how to get started. There are other excellent posts in the forum about that and I'm sure you can find them. I'm just too lazy to look right now jaja.

Once you have established the account you can't just start friend requesting every chick in Medellin. FB will shut you down fast. That's what happened with the 1st secondary account I opened. I limit mine to 10-12 requests a day at most. I've read that other BM's have done more but I'm not trying to draw attention. There are posts in this forum that have names of chicas to use to get started. Those are gold. Once you've gotten your first 10 friends or so it gets much easier. Facebook will start making suggestions almost immediately. These are not always good but occasionally they get it right. I do some additional research which I'll get to in a minute. Look at the people who have liked the posts of the friends you already have. You will quickly learn to spot 2 types of people. 1 is other mongers and those are fairly obvious from the profiles. 2 is other prepagos. Eventually you run into someone who has an "open" friends list (some with thousands of names) and then it's just shooting fish in a barrel. But even then I do some homework.

These are the things I look at every time. Where do they live? This is almost always front and center. I open up the About Info. What is the age? Most have birthdays listed, some have the years they were born. Many will have single in relationship status. Also in About info, what are their likes and who do they follow. Next I look at photos. So many of them have revealing pics that make it quite obvious what they are looking for. Are there mutual friends? That's another good sign. Most importantly in my opinion, how recent are the posts. If their most recent post is more than 3 months old, don't bother. I won't send a request without a post from the past 30 days. The ones that will accept will be active and posting regularly. I can look through the entire profile and make a decision in 15-20 seconds.

I currently have 160 friends and 190 outstanding requests, 45% success rate by my count. It could probably be higher but I won't put a picture of my face in the profile. I have been told by two women that they would not accept my friend request without a picture. I told them if it ever happens that we are going to meet I will gladly send a pic over Whatsapp. I have a general distrust of FB but it is a great tool.[/QUOTE]At JohnHancock11, Thanks for your suggestions. Excellent post for the newbies like me. Can anyone suggest, what should be profile details like where are the profile from, etc? I guess the name and other personal data can be approximate, but does it matter if you say in the FB profile that you are from US / Canada / Europe? Does that make you a potential target for scamming or something like that? Maybe a very stupid question. But any insight will be much appreciated. TIA.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2750769]I try to be sympathetic in these situations but this time I just can't be. You took potential jailbait whose ID had been rejected by those who know more than you do, to your private home. That is dangerous on a level that you seemingly fail to understand. You need to go home. You are not ready for this.[/QUOTE]I am an idiot for all the points jj made and fully admit to it, but it was clear that the girl was not jailbait. The motel asked for everyone's ID, including mine. It is just motel policy and I have experienced it before in Medellin. The last time it was for a girl who was clearly in her mid-twenties who ended up taking me to her apartment and doing TLN. Do you ask for the Cedula of every girl you meet? If I had any doubt about her age, I would have sent her away.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. [/QUOTE]I can confirm that Jenni Munoz is horrible with a piss poor attitude. Since she was one of my first experiences in Medellin last December, she almost single-handedly convinced me to quit meeting girls. I think I gave 200 k and she kept making stupid comments like "what about a tip?" or "this is so boring no tip?

She is just obviously the type of girl we all wish would GET THE HELL out of the business. Hates doing it and makes you feel it every single second you're with her.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750825]I am an idiot for all the points jj made and fully admit to it, but it was clear that the girl was not jailbait. The motel asked for everyone's ID, including mine. It is just motel policy and I have experienced it before in Medellin. The last time it was for a girl who was clearly in her mid-twenties who ended up taking me to her apartment and doing TLN. Do you ask for the Cedula of every girl you meet? If I had any doubt about her age, I would have sent her away.[/QUOTE]Look DandyMan51. Huacho's criticism was harsh, but warranted. JjBee62 gave you good advice too. Here is another thing you should know. Latina women mature fast. Girls who look like they have to be at least 20 something can be 15 why / o. Going with your "clearly in her mid-twenties" gut is going to be right more often than not and then there will come the knock on the door and some dude is going to tell you he is her brother and she is 16 why / o and he's going to the cops unless you fork over 1 million pesos. Or worse yet, a cop is going to show up for the extortion. Everyone thinks they are too smart to fall into that trap and yet it happens again and again and again. If they don't have a cedula you are far better off finding someone else.

As to booking a trio with 2 girls you have never sessioned with. Rookie mistake. Same as taking a girl you've never sessioned with on a vacation trip to San Andreas or Cartagena. Just a mistake.

Look at the bright side. You got away with your foolishness and it only cost you 600 mil (less than $150 dollars) I would rate that as a cheap lesson.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2750025]I guess half an hour is 30-40 K cop + 7-8 K COP for roach motel but how much is una hora?[/QUOTE]Depends on the girl, offer them 70 k and see what they say.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2750577]What a pain in the ass. I'm sorry you had to go through that crap bro. I've seen reviews of facebook girls on here and other websites. It might be work vetting potential dates based on reviews. I hope the rest of your trip goes well.[/QUOTE]Where else can we find reviews of FB girls besides here?

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2749719]Every strip club is that way, although smaller than Hong Kong and different room arrangement. The facilities aren't as nice.

I'd start with Fase II and those close to it like San Diego, La Isla if you want to go for a bit of a drive, and if you want to be adventurous you can try Barre Ejecutiva and others in El Centro like Grille Nueva and Conejitas.[/QUOTE]Shit I would skip Fase II and La Isla, overpriced for not much value. You can always new / young girls at the El Centro 1's who look just as good but without the plastic / high cost.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2750595]Seriously? [URL]weather.com[/URL], [URL]accuweather.com[/URL], and list goes on with line graphs and bar graphs. Monthly, daily, hourly updates. Not hard information to find. Just check the hourly forecast each day for one week during the rainy season and that should suffice.[/QUOTE]The poster asked about rain, my suggestions where to always carry an umbrella and shut all the windows where he is staying among other things.

He wasn't asking about where to find weather reports, and if you think they are reliable they are not, as all the guys I know here always without fail carry an umbrella with them.

Looking at the weather forecast for Medellin will not suffice here, as it can rain anytime contrary to what a forecast says.

Hence I made no mention of checking the weather forecast.

Hopefully this makes sense.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2750843]Depends on the girl, offer them 70 k and see what they say.[/QUOTE]Don't do that, try no more than 50 K as the starting point if her rate is 30K for half hour. That is what I paid the last two times I went for one hour the past few months.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750638]I guess you get what you pay for? I thought facebook chicks were 150 to 200?[/QUOTE]He overpaid a lot due to inexperience. I will say this to new guys. Skip anyone that asks for more than 200 until you gain experience or you really can't get one cheaper. It's true some hot ones want more. Higher price does not mean better, it often means they are more experienced which may not be a good thing.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2750847]Where else can we find reviews of FB girls besides here?[/QUOTE]This really begs the question why ISG has not broken Medellin out into sub-categories with a Fayboo section, a Casa section, a Centro SW section, Club section, etc.

No different than like other places on ISG which has sub-categories.

It sure would make things easier for guys specifically seeking information versus doing extensive searches and going thru pages and pages of reports and would greatly reduce all the RTFF posts.

I'm going to defer to the facebook aficionados about this. If you haven't taken advantage of the search feature yet you should.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2750847]Where else can we find reviews of FB girls besides here?[/QUOTE]

It's cheaper to take a break and pick her up again for another 30 K + room cost. Better yet, you can go with a different girl.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2750866]Don't do that, try no more than 50 K as the starting point if her rate is 30K for half hour. That is what I paid the last two times I went for one hour the past few months.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Nounce;2750866]Don't do that, try no more than 50 K as the starting point if her rate is 30K for half hour. That is what I paid the last two times I went for one hour the past few months.[/QUOTE]Lowballing, I like it.

I'm headed to Medellin in a couple of weeks, and I'm excited as hell. I've been needing a good party, and to blow off some steam. I've been lurking here for a couple of weeks, and gotten some pretty good advice.

One thing I heard about here first, was tussi or 2 CB. I love psychedelics, especially quality needlepoint LSD. I've wanted to try 2 cb for years. But I'm paranoid because I'm all about quality / purity. Yet here in Medellin, it's become the party supply of choice.

But in reality, that's complete bullshit. As I read more, it's not actually 2 cb. It's a like a long island ice tea of drugs. They're mixing all kinds of crazy shit that shouldn't be mixed. Mdma, ketamine, LSD, ghb, meth, fentanyl, caffeine. Uppers and downers. But nobody knows exactly. And the narcos don't give a fuck about you. They want you addicted. And unlike real 2 cb, this stuff can be very addictive.

Ignorance is the only thing that makes sense, as to why anyone would do this shit. Sure, meth or fentanyl probably feel amazing. But we've all the effects they've had on people and the our entire society.

Vice put out a great documentary about it. It's definitely worth a 20 minutes watch. He even interviews narcos (or neo narcos) and shows a guy cooking it.

Here's a link from the Reddit 2 cb page, that goes into info about Medellin tussi.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/2cb/comments/itwfwt/the_pink_2cb_aka_tucibi_tuci_pink_cocaine_what_we/[/URL]

Make your own decision, obviously. But I think being informed is important. Especially when it comes to hard drugs. Apparently 95% of tussi that was tested contained zero 2 cb.

Honestly, it's a shame Colombians just didn't get into straight MDMA. That stuff is a blast. But like with any hard drugs, not something that should be done regularly or often. But you know what you're getting (especially if you get a reagent test kit). You know the short and long term effects. You don't even know what you're getting from batch to batch. Imo, that's a recipe for disaster.

There's a reason the narcos don't let their people touch it. Do you know who says it's okay to get high on your own supply? Weed and mushroom growers and LSD chemists. They started doing what they do, because they love the substance or believe in their medicinal / healing powers. This is a money grab wrapped in a pretty pink bow. A way to get premium dollars from cheap drugs. The tussi queen even says it's just good marketing.

Personally, I'm officially scared away from that shit. I won't judge. But I went from excited about trying something new, to scared as hell of it, without having to do much research. I highly recommend anyone that plans on using it, to get a reagent test kit. Because if they're throwing fent in there, it's inevitable that it's going to kill someone.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2750847]Where else can we find reviews of FB girls besides here?[/QUOTE]Try googling their WhatsApp number. I've done reviews on prepagos doing that.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2750850]Shit I would skip Fase II and La Isla, overpriced for not much value. You can always new / young girls at the El Centro 1's who look just as good but without the plastic / high cost.[/QUOTE]That's definitely way more up my alley. I'm not into the plastic, Instagram look.

Which strip clubs in El Centro are worth checking out? The Medellin map has a bunch of places listed. I've seen people talk about Barra Ejecutiva and Conejitos. So I'll probably check those out. But I'm curious about a few others. Here's a few of the ones I'm curious about:

Hilton Grill.

Grill Occidental.

Taberna Victoria.

Grill Nueva Avenida.

Palm Beach.

Taberna Montijos.

Night Club Lejano Oriente.

Ovo Whiskerya.

Do these strip clubs have actual dancing, or are they basically just like the Casas? Are they worth hanging out in after you've finished with a chica? If it's a day where it's non-stop raining, would they be fun to hang out for a couple hours, or strictly get laid and leave?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2750893]Lowballing, I like it.[/QUOTE]There is a caveat for 1 hour. One day Zona Rosa was full so we went to Botero Real. I don't speak Spanish so I told the girl to ask for 1 hour as we agreed and I also don't know if that is possible at this place because my friend had problem with them when he booked one hour. In the room, I knew what I paid was for 30 minutes so I had to renegotiate with the girl. I had to make sure she had the change and gave it to me before I handed over 50 K to her. And that makes an interesting experience. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2750867]He overpaid a lot due to inexperience.[/QUOTE]Overpaying is a good way for the girls to know if a guy is a newbie (aka sucker). She throws out a high price. If he takes time to think about it she already knows she found her sucker fish and just needs to reel him in. If a guy takes the high price quickly that just means she caught a bigger sucker fish and acts accordingly which she did by bringing her friend along for a free ride on the gravy train. She found a minnow in the FB fishing pond. Keep trying but try acting like you know something by sticking to the 150,000-200,000 price everyone else is paying and is posted countless times here.

But no matter what there are times that no matter what you do you find a chick that just wants to cause endless grief whether she is street, casa, bar, FB, etc. Obviously this chick is a gigantic pain for everyone.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2750555]I had the misfortune of seeing Jenni Munoz today. She propositioned a trio and I liked the girl she sent pictures of so we agreed. She initially asked for 400 k each but I negotiated down to 600 k including taxi, OWO, kisses with tongue, and for the girls to have sex with each other. I didn't trust the girls in my apartment so told them to go to a motel near me. We went to the love motel but the younger girl (Mariana Sosa in FB) did not have a cedula on her so they didn't let her in. The girl had a picture of her cedula but the motel didn't accept that. This was strike 1 and I should have followed my better judgement and broke it off there. I decided that the girls look ok and that I can keep an eye on them so I brought them to my apartment. Inside the girls wanted to rush to take a shower and go to the bedroom. This was strike 2 and I again should have sent them away. Once they washed up, Jenni tried to get wet using a vibrator while I tried to kiss both of them. They gave peaks but nothing more. I could smell that Jenni was high. She made up some BS excuse about not being willing to do OWO on me and the Mariana gave me CBJ. Jenni then rode me while Mariana sucked my nipple. I ended up coming like this since I love getting my nipple sucked and I was holding in two days of leche. Jenni said we are done since I came and I told them that it isn't time yet so to give me a massage. She said they would after a shower. They take a shower and give me perhaps the worst massage of my life and I have gotten some pretty shitty massages. After a couple of minutes I just want them to leave. I give her 500 k and say that this is for the whole mess. She refuses and wants the extra 100 k. At this point I just fucking hope I never have to see them again and give them the 100 k and kick them the fuck out. It was an expensive lesson learned and I hope to never deal with this again. The only positive is that I didn't end up paying for the motel so I saved 100 k there. I ended up blocking her on Whatsapp and FB afterwards. She has 2. 8 k friends so chances are that someone here may have the misfortune of dealing with her and hopefully can avoid it. Fuck, I should have just gone to centro and I would have had a better experience for a much lower price. The girls are young (22 and 18 I think) but a complete pissing of pesos.[/QUOTE]I understand that this did not work out like you wanted. But if I understand it right you did have them both at your place, everyone got naked, sex was had. They did not do everything you wanted, true. But. Just because it did not work out fully the way you wanted, and even in a sense what you paid for, you can really cause the situation to get worse by not paying the full 600 you agreed to. When it comes to paying that is a risk you probably should not take. Even if nothing happens and you end up kicking them out it is often, or I would say almost always, best to pay, and write it off to experience.

PS.. Others may disagree with that I say here... feel free. Just my opinion for minimizing chances of a bad scene.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750638]I guess you get what you pay for? I thought facebook chicks were 150 to 200?[/QUOTE]I think these days they're trending towards 200-250 k. However, the price agreed upon ultimately depends on which head was handling the negotiations.

For those who don't know yet:

When a girl quotes a much higher price than expected, don't try to figure out how high to make your offer so she'll accept. Instead, come back with the price you want to pay. For example:

"400".

"Entiendo amor, pero siempre pago 150 mil. ".

I understand, but I always pay 150 thousand (it's vital to get that "mil" in the conversation so you don't end up with a girl demanding dollars). From there, you can agree to add the taxi. If she gets offended, or starts whining and complaining you've identified someone who isn't going to be good in bed. Next.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2750921]I understand that this did not work out like you wanted. But if I understand it right you did have them both at your place, everyone got naked, sex was had. They did not do everything you wanted, true. But. Just because it did not work out fully the way you wanted, and even in a sense what you paid for, you can really cause the situation to get worse by not paying the full 600 you agreed to. When it comes to paying that is a risk you probably should not take. Even if nothing happens and you end up kicking them out it is often, or I would say almost always, best to pay, and write it off to experience.

PS.. Others may disagree with that I say here... feel free. Just my opinion for minimizing chances of a bad scene.[/QUOTE]You are right. You might get in trouble for not paying the agreed price. There was the infamous case of the US secret service agents getting caught because one guy wouldn't pay the girl.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-scandal-colombian-woman-describes-night-of-carousing-with-agents/2012/05/04/gIQAcwyi1T_story.html[/URL]

Seems the Colombian police sided with the girl because I guess sex worker get some type of protection?

[QUOTE=Marxh;2750765]So I'm interested in a trio, but seems tough to find. And I don't want to ask a girl for the reasons in the post. If anyone has any suggestions or direct me in the right direction that would be much appreciated. I'm subscribed so feel free to PM me.

Trying to make this the most memorable expression of Colombia!

TIA.[/QUOTE]It's not impossible.

1. Evaluate every girl after the session. Was she on time? Was she clean? Did she present herself well (looking like she showed up for a date instead of looking like she spent the last 6 hours cleaning house)? Was she responsive, sexually?

That last one is crucial. You want to start with a girl who enjoys having sex with you. Many of them will fake it. Learn to spot the difference.

2. See the girl a second time. Take your time with her. Ask how she feels about women. Most girls will do a trio, but they won't do a threesome. If she's interested, explain what you're looking for. It's helpful to have a video clip on your phone showing how you want things to go.

3. Gauge her interest. Is she interested in the chance for more money, or does she want the experience? If you think she is really interested, ask if she knows someone to join you.

If you do it right, minimal direction will be required and you'll be happy with the results. I highly recommend taking the girls to a place like Motel Ibiza. It's worth the added cost.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2750850]Shit I would skip Fase II and La Isla, overpriced for not much value. You can always new / young girls at the El Centro 1's who look just as good but without the plastic / high cost.[/QUOTE]I agree they are overpriced, but disagree on skipping for a first timer. The strip clubs are both worth seeing in the same vein that so many guys think El Centro SW are worth seeing (which I personally don't). Casas, FB girls, and mileroticos are also worth a try until you find what best suits you.

I personally have found the Fase II and La Isla girls to be more attractive than El Centro (you suggest they're the same), but we obviously have different tase in women. I venture that the percentage of men that would actually find the Centro glue sniffing SW attractive is less than you think.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750900]That's definitely way more up my alley. I'm not into the plastic, Instagram look.

Which strip clubs in El Centro are worth checking out? The Medellin map has a bunch of places listed. I've seen people talk about Barra Ejecutiva and Conejitos. So I'll probably check those out. But I'm curious about a few others. Here's a few of the ones I'm curious about:

Hilton Grill.

Grill Occidental.

Taberna Victoria.

Grill Nueva Avenida.

Palm Beach.

Taberna Montijos.

Night Club Lejano Oriente.

Ovo Whiskerya.

Do these strip clubs have actual dancing, or are they basically just like the Casas? Are they worth hanging out in after you've finished with a chica? If it's a day where it's non-stop raining, would they be fun to hang out for a couple hours, or strictly get laid and leave?[/QUOTE]Whoa. Now that would be a memorable day checking out all of those. Not sure that would be advisable. Some are hard to find. And some you may wish you had not found. Barra Ejecutiva and Conejitos are fine, and a couple that are very close to Conejitos probably reasonably safe. But the rest I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750900]
Which strip clubs in El Centro are worth checking out?
Hilton Grill.
Grill Occidental.
Taberna Victoria.
Grill Nueva Avenida.
Palm Beach.
Taberna Montijos.
Night Club Lejano Oriente.
Ovo Whiskerya.
[/QUOTE]Been to the first 4, never been the final 4. Would be interested to check them out thogh if anyone wants an evening of adventure?

All are worth a visit IMO. All have real people and real girls. You never know what you will find and what experience you will have. For me, it is the real Colombia, not the plastic ambition of Poblado etc.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2750901]There is a caveat for 1 hour. One day Zona Rosa was full so we went to Botero Real. I don't speak Spanish so I told the girl to ask for 1 hour as we agreed and I also don't know if that is possible at this place because my friend had problem with them when he booked one hour. In the room, I knew what I paid was for 30 minutes so I had to renegotiate with the girl. I had to make sure she had the change and gave it to me before I handed over 50 K to her. And that makes an interesting experience. LOL.[/QUOTE]Zona Rosa in the past has been for a few hours at a time for whatever the price is. Are you saying that Botero Real is now only renting their rooms in 1 hour increments? And if the room was rented for 1 hour, why did you have to renegotiate with the girl if what you paid for was for only 30 minutes and then you could cut her loose.

Sorry I don't understand what your saying here, no different than some of my posts as well. LOL.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2750921]I understand that this did not work out like you wanted. But if I understand it right you did have them both at your place, everyone got naked, sex was had. They did not do everything you wanted, true. But. Just because it did not work out fully the way you wanted, and even in a sense what you paid for, you can really cause the situation to get worse by not paying the full 600 you agreed to. When it comes to paying that is a risk you probably should not take. Even if nothing happens and you end up kicking them out it is often, or I would say almost always, best to pay, and write it off to experience.

PS.. Others may disagree with that I say here... feel free. Just my opinion for minimizing chances of a bad scene.[/QUOTE]No. I'm going to agree with you. The dude got into an argument with prostitutes in a 3rd world country, in a city that's dangerous as hell, all over wanting to short them $22 after he actually got laid.

That's how you get robbed, beaten, it even killed. You don't think those chicas know some hitters? They might even do it for less than you paid her to pay with your dick. Just because you're disappointed or mad, don't let that get you into a dangerous situation. Sometimes you got to charge it to the game. Best thing you can do, is sleep it off. If you're still mad, go to Centro and find a 50 k chica to feel better.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2750944]I venture that the percentage of men that would actually find the Centro glue sniffing SW attractive is less than you think.[/QUOTE]Are the SWers in Centro that fucked up? I was curious about how good they would look vs the casa or strip club chicas. I was definitely curious to check a few places in the map. But now I'm curious. Are they like American Street walkers? Because you pretty much only see heavy drug users doing that in the US. Anyone that's not completely desperate goes online (even then, you can find some trainwrecks). Hopefully it's not a bunch of scabby faced, petri dishes walking around. I love to party, but don't fuck around with anyone doing anything that may involve needles or lightbulbs (heroin / fent / meth / crack). Are there really a lot of chicas sniffing glue, or am I just exhausted after work and can't detect sarcasm / a joke?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2750976]Been to the first 4, never been the final 4. Would be interested to check them out thogh if anyone wants an evening of adventure?

[/QUOTE]2 weeks from today, my ass will be there. Considering it's 10 pm, I'll probably be getting laid. But I've got 10 days there. And right now, it's looking like some pretty shitty weather. But I'm used to shitty, heavy rain and pop-up showers (my dumbass thought it was the end of the rainy season, not the deaf middle of it l. So I might be down for getting adventurous and checking things out, with it without company (though someone with better Spanish than me is always nice). But obviously somebody's been there, since they're on WT'69's map. But again, things and places change. Sometimes for the bad, but also sometimes for the good. It's worth the roll of the dice, because at worst, you'll probably get a good story out if it.

After yesterday's experience I was very turned off to facebook chicas. I suppose just about any chica would have been better so I may have rose colored glasses as I share this report. Maria (I won't share her full name but as usual I am more than willing to share via PM for an active forum member) is smoking hot by my standards, about 5' 6', small waist, big (fake) tits, nice ass (big but not too big), 23 years old. She could be a model if she really applied herself. I think her facebook pictures have a bit of skin whitening on it but are otherwise reflective of her. She isn't a fitness girl but a couple of weeks in the gym and she could be. She only has a little bit of fat. I messaged her yesterday about coming at 6 PM today. I was a bit tired so I moved the time to 8 PM so I could take a nap, she was very friendly through the whole process. She arrived by 9 and we sat a chatted a bit. She works in a waitress in a club in Envigado during the weekends and makes 100 mil in salary plus tips per night so probably around 1200 mil per month including tips. She mentioned that gringos give way more tips which I found funny. She doesn't work anywhere else during the week (well, not including this) After the small talk about ourselves, our travels etc. , we went to the bedroom with some foreplay before I did DATY. She really seemed to enjoy my DATY (maybe she was faking it but it must have been really good faking). I joked that she should pay me to which we both had a laugh. She then gave me CBJ and we fucked in cowgirl, doggy and finally I came in missionary. Throughout she gave peaks but no full kisses. We sat and talked for a bit before she took shower. We then sat some more on the sofa and listed to some music and watched some videos on her facebook feed. Her taxi arrived and I paid her (250 k + 20 k taxi) for the two hours and kissed her goodbye.

Overall, it wasn't the most passionate service I had (Average of above average by Colombian standards but not on the level of Brazil in my experience) but it was pretty good and the girl was hot enough to work in gustos and try and charge 4-500 mil / hour. Outside of the lack of DFK, my only complaint was that she was on her phone more than I would have liked. She is a potential repeat for me which is why I am not publicly sharing her info.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2750934]You are right. You might get in trouble for not paying the agreed price. There was the infamous case of the US secret service agents getting caught because one guy wouldn't pay the girl.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-scandal-colombian-woman-describes-night-of-carousing-with-agents/2012/05/04/gIQAcwyi1T_story.html[/URL]

Seems the Colombian police sided with the girl because I guess sex worker get some type of protection?[/QUOTE]I also think they get some sort of protection.

Recently there was a story on a FB group where this gringo dated a lady and on the line of "oh I'm too handsome and she's different".

No financial agreement was made beforehand. After the session she asked for money (around 500 o 600 COP I think).

He didn't want to pay the bill and girl obsviusly went nut and when the cops showed up they got the guy to pay something like 300 COP.

Which given the situation he put himself it's not too bad. I had sympathy for both the police and the girl.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751004]She mentioned that gringos give way more tips which I found funny.[/QUOTE]That is obvious from reading this board. People that travel frequently often bring this up, but Americans are conditioned to do it and seems some even get offended if you advise them otherwise. It is just in my countrymen to give money away willy nilly.

Welcome to MDE the city of passionless over priced sex. But Hi the weather is great!

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751004]After yesterday's experience I was very turned off to facebook chicas. I suppose just about any chica would have been better so I may have rose colored glasses as I share this report. Maria (I won't share her full name but as usual I am more than willing to share via PM for an active forum member) is smoking hot by my standards, about 5' 6', small waist, big (fake) tits, nice ass (big but not too big), 23 years old. She could be a model if she really applied herself. I think her facebook pictures have a bit of skin whitening on it but are otherwise reflective of her. She isn't a fitness girl but a couple of weeks in the gym and she could be. She only has a little bit of fat. I messaged her yesterday about coming at 6 PM today. I was a bit tired so I moved the time to 8 PM so I could take a nap, she was very friendly through the whole process. She arrived by 9 and we sat a chatted a bit. She works in a waitress in a club in Envigado during the weekends and makes 100 mil in salary plus tips per night so probably around 1200 mil per month including tips. She mentioned that gringos give way more tips which I found funny. She doesn't work anywhere else during the week (well, not including this) After the small talk about ourselves, our travels etc. , we went to the bedroom with some foreplay before I did DATY. She really seemed to enjoy my DATY (maybe she was faking it but it must have been really good faking). I joked that she should pay me to which we both had a laugh. She then gave me CBJ and we fucked in cowgirl, doggy and finally I came in missionary. Throughout she gave peaks but no full kisses. We sat and talked for a bit before she took shower. We then sat some more on the sofa and listed to some music and watched some videos on her facebook feed. Her taxi arrived and I paid her (250 k + 20 k taxi) for the two hours and kissed her goodbye.

Overall, it wasn't the most passionate service I had (Average of above average by Colombian standards but not on the level of Brazil in my experience) but it was pretty good and the girl was hot enough to work in gustos and try and charge 4-500 mil / hour. Outside of the lack of DFK, my only complaint was that she was on her phone more than I would have liked. She is a potential repeat for me which is why I am not publicly sharing her info.[/QUOTE]

Quick fact check from a Centro rat. I find glue sniffing Centro girls unattractive and undesirable. I agree I am not likely in the minority in that respect. Among Centro providers, glue sniffers are definitely in the minority. I have been to La Isla and Fase. I find those women attractive but I dislike the high proportion of "operadas" (surgically enhanced). Everyone knows the cost differential. It's not the concern for me but I am aware of it like everyone else.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2750936]It's not impossible.

1. Evaluate every girl after the session. Was she on time? Was she clean? Did she present herself well (looking like she showed up for a date instead of looking like she spent the last 6 hours cleaning house)? Was she responsive, sexually?

That last one is crucial. You want to start with a girl who enjoys having sex with you. Many of them will fake it. Learn to spot the difference.

2. See the girl a second time. Take your time with her. Ask how she feels about women. Most girls will do a trio, but they won't do a threesome. If she's interested, explain what you're looking for. It's helpful to have a video clip on your phone showing how you want things to go.

3. Gauge her interest. Is she interested in the chance for more money, or does she want the experience? If you think she is really interested, ask if she knows someone to join you.

If you do it right, minimal direction will be required and you'll be happy with the results. I highly recommend taking the girls to a place like Motel Ibiza. It's worth the added cost.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2751086]Welcome to MDE the city of passionless over priced sex. But Hi the weather is great![/QUOTE]LOL. I'm also open to recommendations on better places to go. My go-to in Latin America is Brazil but flights there tend to be expensive and long. Plus the political situation at the moment makes me second guess going there. Feel free to PM me.

I just got a girl who wants an iPhone (of excellent quality), I assume the newest version. What does phone typically run in Colombia? I've seen a few threads talk about buying phones but not sure the type of phone or cost. Been a lot of girls saying they have no cell or their phone is broken. Haven't mentioned they want a phone, but I can read between the lines.

Want to see if that's a feasible and worthwhile exchange.

You make that bed you have to lie in it. The Secret Service mess is a great example of how valuable it can be to cut your losses and move on. I would be extremely shocked if the ex-Secret Service agents who lost careers and families disagree.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750979]No. I'm going to agree with you. The dude got into an argument with prostitutes in a 3rd world country, in a city that's dangerous as hell, all over wanting to short them $22 after he actually got laid.

That's how you get robbed, beaten, it even killed. You don't think those chicas know some hitters? They might even do it for less than you paid her to pay with your dick. Just because you're disappointed or mad, don't let that get you into a dangerous situation. Sometimes you got to charge it to the game. Best thing you can do, is sleep it off. If you're still mad, go to Centro and find a 50 k chica to feel better.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2750978].... Are you saying that Botero Real is now only renting their rooms in 1 hour increments?...[/QUOTE]It's 7 K when I paid. That's how I know it was only 30 minutes so I had to renegotiate in the room to reduce rate for 30 minutes. It's the chick's mistake that she did not rent for 1 hour when I asked her to.

What I am saying is I don't know if 1 hour is common in this place or not. My friend paid for an hour but was only allowed 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2750976]Been to the first 4, never been the final 4. Would be interested to check them out thogh if anyone wants an evening of adventure?

All are worth a visit IMO. All have real people and real girls. You never know what you will find and what experience you will have. For me, it is the real Colombia, not the plastic ambition of Poblado etc.[/QUOTE]Taberna Montijos is gone, unless someone has reopened it. It was located just a block east of Parque Berrio station. It was my favorite little hole in the wall in Medellin. Never saw a girl dance and it wasn't much bigger than my living room, but there always seemed to be 1 hot girl (out of 3 or 4).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751085]That is obvious from reading this board. People that travel frequently often bring this up, but Americans are conditioned to do it and seems some even get offended if you advise them otherwise. It is just in my countrymen to give money away willy nilly.[/QUOTE]It is difficult to comprehend the value of money here if people are staying in the affluent areas. I have been wondering, what is the reason for the Facebook girl to start from 150 K, why not 100 K? Now many girls are conditioned to think like gringos instead of the other way around.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750991]Are the SWers in Centro that fucked up? I was curious about how good they would look vs the casa or strip club chicas. I was definitely curious to check a few places in the map. But now I'm curious. Are they like American Street walkers? Because you pretty much only see heavy drug users doing that in the US. Anyone that's not completely desperate goes online (even then, you can find some trainwrecks). Hopefully it's not a bunch of scabby faced, petri dishes walking around. I love to party, but don't fuck around with anyone doing anything that may involve needles or lightbulbs (heroin / fent / meth / crack). Are there really a lot of chicas sniffing glue, or am I just exhausted after work and can't detect sarcasm / a joke?[/QUOTE]I don't think it was meant as sarcasm or a joke, but it's not accurate. Yes there are El Centro girls who sniff glue, or use other drugs, but, from my observation most of them just smoke weed.

Nope, stop doing that too. You know how many users PM me and I gave them intel and they can't even say thank you. It's like people want to get spoon fed intel. I'm going to start charging. LOL.

RTFF!

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751138]LOL. I'm also open to recommendations on better places to go. My go-to in Latin America is Brazil but flights there tend to be expensive and long. Plus the political situation at the moment makes me second guess going there. Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]

Hi all,

Are there strip clubs in Medellin where the girls do the nude lap dances at the tables?

Like the ones mentioned in the Bogota thread ([URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?580-Bogota-Reports&p=2742323#post2742323[/URL]).

If so, what are the prices?

Thanks.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751138]LOL. I'm also open to recommendations on better places to go. My go-to in Latin America is Brazil but flights there tend to be expensive and long. Plus the political situation at the moment makes me second guess going there. Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]Take it all with a grain of salt, although with some guys maybe Valium instead of salt.

The most I've paid in Medellin for 1 girl was just under $100. She works internationally modeling (frequent trips to Europe), stayed for 3 hours and was extremely passionate throughout. I've spent more on a few threesomes.

Overall, outside of the casas and strip clubs most of the women I've had in Medellin have been extremely passionate. If someone can't find passionate women in Medellin I can think of a few possible reasons.

1. They are not picking the right girls.

2. They're unattractive by the girls standards.

3. They have personal hygiene issues.

4. They're not taking the time or making the effort connect with the girls.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2751127]Quick fact check from a Centro rat. I find glue sniffing Centro girls unattractive and undesirable. I agree I am not likely in the minority in that respect. Among Centro providers, glue sniffers are definitely in the minority. I have been to La Isla and Fase. I find those women attractive but I dislike the high proportion of "operadas" (surgically enhanced). Everyone knows the cost differential. It's not the concern for me but I am aware of it like everyone else.[/QUOTE]Sorry you lost some whiskers not liking Sacaleros as a street rat. LOL.

The quality of the Sacaleros has declined over the years. About seven years ago before all the Vennies showed up, they would hang alongside the Museum. And there where some very pretty ones, albeit all being very thin. I know some guys who were into skinny girls that would go with them and pretty much anything was on the menu with them being so spaced out. I went with one of them and the stench was overpowering, like a heavy smoker with nicotine oozing from their pores.

I don't recommend them to anyone unless your into basically fucking a zombie.

I'm not much of a centro guy. However, all SWers in centro are not fucked up. Yes, there are the glue girls. And yes there are some thieves. And yes there are some hardcores from the barrio.

But you can also find some girls who look good and who are nice. Sometimes it's a Venny who has little options due to her immigration status. Sometimes it is a poor girl who is desperate for money and heard about centro. Not all girls have cell phones. Not all girls have computers. So not all of them are on FB or instagram. The nice thing about Centro is variety. And low price.

Heck, I see a girl now who is just a normal girl. She lives at home with her parents. She helps around the house because mom has a job. She has no cell phone of her own, so she has to borrow one from her mom. She's not on FB or Instagram. I got lucky and met her through an amiga or an amiga. We all sometimes assume things about these girls that are to always true. There are drug users, there are scammers, there are hardcore pros, but there are also girls who work occasionally. As well as regular girls who do not work at all and just like to be treated nice and respected. The last category is harder to find. You have to invest the time.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750991]Are the SWers in Centro that fucked up? I was curious about how good they would look vs the casa or strip club chicas. I was definitely curious to check a few places in the map. But now I'm curious. Are they like American Street walkers? Because you pretty much only see heavy drug users doing that in the US. Anyone that's not completely desperate goes online (even then, you can find some trainwrecks). Hopefully it's not a bunch of scabby faced, petri dishes walking around. I love to party, but don't fuck around with anyone doing anything that may involve needles or lightbulbs (heroin / fent / meth / crack). Are there really a lot of chicas sniffing glue, or am I just exhausted after work and can't detect sarcasm / a joke?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751160]Take it all with a grain of salt, although with some guys maybe Valium instead of salt.

The most I've paid in Medellin for 1 girl was just under $100. She works internationally modeling (frequent trips to Europe), stayed for 3 hours and was extremely passionate throughout. I've spent more on a few threesomes.

Overall, outside of the casas and strip clubs most of the women I've had in Medellin have been extremely passionate. If someone can't find passionate women in Medellin I can think of a few possible reasons.

1. They are not picking the right girls.

2. They're unattractive by the girls standards.

3. They have personal hygiene issues.

4. They're not taking the time or making the effort connect with the girls.[/QUOTE]Your number # 4 is paramount as most of the women in Colombia can be passionate, however being able to connect with the girls can be very challenging for a lot of guys here given the language barrier.

[QUOTE=GrantGreen;2750991]Are the SWers in Centro that fucked up? ...?[/QUOTE]You read and believe information elsewhere from people who don't have experience. You need to keep an open mind.

Part of your answer is this. It is not hard.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2750632]I am always wondering how many chicks someone planned to fuck if they are complaining about the ugly ones, because I just look right past them. Does not concern me. Not wasting my energy on it. As far as I am concerned it makes my choice easier when there are only a few that appeal to me. I honestly do not need 10 good ones to choose from if I am only going to fuck 1 or 2.[/QUOTE]

The glue sniffer SWs are in minority, dunno, 5% or less, last time I've been. It's possible to snag an 'amateur' chica too, I remember one that got righteously indignated when I wanted to switch from missionary to doggy - - 'soy no puta! It made me confused for a moment. Could be true, her BJ skills were nonexistent and have not seen her in Centro since.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2751143]I just got a girl who wants an iPhone (of excellent quality), I assume the newest version. What does phone typically run in Colombia? I've seen a few threads talk about buying phones but not sure the type of phone or cost. Been a lot of girls saying they have no cell or their phone is broken. Haven't mentioned they want a phone, but I can read between the lines.

Want to see if that's a feasible and worthwhile exchange.[/QUOTE]Lots of girls want an iPhone of excellent quality. Are you intending to have a long term relationship with the girl? If not, why would you consider giving her something that expensive? For the same amount of money you could fuck her 10-20 times. If you give her the phone will she give it up to you for free 10-20 times?

[QUOTE=Marxh;2751143]I just got a girl who wants an iPhone (of excellent quality), I assume the newest version. What does phone typically run in Colombia? I've seen a few threads talk about buying phones but not sure the type of phone or cost. Been a lot of girls saying they have no cell or their phone is broken. Haven't mentioned they want a phone, but I can read between the lines.

Want to see if that's a feasible and worthwhile exchange.[/QUOTE]Iphone prices in Colombia are pretty much the same as in the US.

Don't fall for that! All girls say they don't have phones or they have broken phones. If you really want to buy this girl an iPhone buy her an used phone.

Recently concluded my third trip to Medellin. All around a positive trip. The difference for this trip was socializing with fellow ISG members. Definitely worth it. I will do the same and announce my travel dates in the month leading up to a trip.

Thanks to Alaska1986 and Shank. Two really good guys with insight to the city, the philosophy of the game, and good life pointers. We kept with our call signs, which I appreciated. It made me feel like Secret Agent Man, added to the mystic and charm of the trip, but also dealt with the very real nature of what we are doing and our lives back home. A nice thing about them was the lack of agenda. It was a come-as-you-are, make-it-if-you-can-make-it feel. Which was akin to, riding up to your friends house on your bike, knocking to see if he was done with dinner, and then tearing up the neighborhood, or not because he had homework or had to sit for dinner. It was refreshing to have my own agenda to live up to and do things as a group if the timing aligned.

Also, they were not afraid to buy a man a beer.

Other ISGs were arriving as I was leaving, so sorry to have missed.

The "Negative" Note: La Isla. As expected, the Island was the most expensive single event on my trip. I went through 600 mil in an hour.

Entrance was 50 mil.

Beer was 30 Mil.

A shot of tequila was 80 mil, for the girl.

Girl was 350 mil.

The ride out was pricey, and my driver offered me coke. Jajaja. I declined.

The ambiance is not the best. If you've seen a video of the place, yeah, it is just a big room. Your only means of privacy is due to the music being so loud. Otherwise, everyone can see everything. Who you talk to and vice versa. I guess I got there early (10:30 pm), so it was sparsely populated. There's nothing sadder than an empty strip club, IMO. It did allow me to size up the girls easier, but I expected to kinda get lost in the crowd.

I found a girl with medium length brown hair, blue dress, medium-small tits, and nice ass. The girl on the floor that I took up to the room was nice when on the floor, as she waited for me to run to the bathroom, and on the March up the stairs up to the room. In the room, boom< I was on the clock. We did the full 30 minutes, but her demeanor turned a little colder, as in it was just business. It was not nasty or anything like that, but a noticeable change from smiles smiles smiles, touch of my arm, giggle giggle, to ok, it's sex time and you got 30 minutes. She was compliant in terms of the positions, but it wasn't like I put her in the Guatemalan Face Hat position or anything like that. Mish, Doggy, and a mild variation of doggy.

Ok, but older face once the lights were normal. Nice, but slightly smaller tits (those dresses to deceive). Great ass. Her butt to my pelvis was a delight.

The sex rooms were clean.

Once we got back, I saw a couple that were cuter so I felt I rushed my decision.

Would I go back? Yes, but not all that often. It was nice to see girls done up in cocktail dresses. I would want to slow it down and work the room better next time. I am glad to have popped that cherry and satisfied the curiosity, so no real regrets.

The main "negative" was the sticker shock. In USD terms, as Alaska1986 said, "for $150, you had a better night than in the States. " True. True. Keeping it in perspective of both the US and Colombia, cheap strip club night (better than anything I experienced in the States and all the money I blew on grazing a girl's tit with a buck), but I did miss out on 4 to 6 regular girls.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2751228]Iphone prices in Colombia are pretty much the same as in the US.

Don't fall for that! All girls say they don't have phones or they have broken phones. If you really want to buy this girl an iPhone buy her an used phone.[/QUOTE]Well buy her a used Rolls Royce while you are at it. Remember when smart phones were for people that needed them to do real business? And the only people that could afford them were people that were making money with them.

I remember having my Palm Treo out when airplane mode first hit the scene. The lady on the plane made me turn my phone all the way off because she did not understand airplane mode even existed.

Now everyone has or wants these expensive ass phones no matter how much money they are making, and they use only 2 types of apps on them. Look at any of these chicks' homescreen and see what is there. The shit is fucking empty because they only use it for 2 things.

If you want to spend $500 for an uneducated, unemployed chick to take pictures and send messages (maybe listen to music too) then you are what some would call a new fool. Shit used to be for mfs that could afford it. As for me, I am not buying a chick anything that she can not buy for herself. What is the fucking point of being a broke mf in the hood with an expensive ass phone? But of course we know that guys will do anything when that pussy is held on the end of a stick and it starts whispering to them.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2751228]Iphone prices in Colombia are pretty much the same as in the US.

Don't fall for that! All girls say they don't have phones or they have broken phones. If you really want to buy this girl an iPhone buy her an used phone.[/QUOTE]She was very nice until we got to the "but you said you would give me anything". Which wasn't exactly true. She sounded like a high-end escort, most likely international escort. She was pushy and demanding. And ready to fly out to me.

Obviously I said no.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2751150]It's 7 K when I paid. That's how I know it was only 30 minutes so I had to renegotiate in the room to reduce rate for 30 minutes. It's the chick's mistake that she did not rent for 1 hour when I asked her to.

What I am saying is I don't know if 1 hour is common in this place or not. My friend paid for an hour but was only allowed 30 minutes.[/QUOTE]7 k was last year's price, it has since gone up to 8 k for 30 mins and its 16 k for an hour. It's not fucking rocket science to ask for an hour when paying for the room "quiero una hora por favor" versus "quiero un ratico" if you just want the half hour.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751160]Take it all with a grain of salt, although with some guys maybe Valium instead of salt.

The most I've paid in Medellin for 1 girl was just under $100. She works internationally modeling (frequent trips to Europe), stayed for 3 hours and was extremely passionate throughout. I've spent more on a few threesomes.

Overall, outside of the casas and strip clubs most of the women I've had in Medellin have been extremely passionate. If someone can't find passionate women in Medellin I can think of a few possible reasons.

1. They are not picking the right girls.

2. They're unattractive by the girls standards.

3. They have personal hygiene issues.

4. They're not taking the time or making the effort connect with the girls.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your analysis. I'm not saying that Medellin is bad or too expensive, that's the other guy, and it is definitely in my top 5 destinations. It's just not my number one destination, personally.

In my case, I think the following:

1. My sample size is really low. I probably have had 1/100th of the number of experiences you have had, especially in Medellin. Plus I am probably too picky as far as girls' appearances go. I'm sure I missed out on many fantastic girls because of this, like the agency girl I called on this trip who I wouldn't have normally connected to on FB based off her actual appearance but who gave me fantastic GFE. I'm hoping if I continue, I'll be able to find some more.

2. Idk. It may also be that because I am relatively young, the girls judge my appearance more by novio standards rather than sugar daddy standards. Or maybe I'm just rationalizing my ugly ass.

3. Don't think so. I've never had a girl have a problem with this before. Or at least ever mention it.

4. Looking through your posts, I definitely don't make the level of effort you do. I would guess this is probably the biggest reason for the variety of experiences in Medellin. I feel like the girls in Colombia are rather shy and there is more effort needed to open them up to true GFE. My preference for Brazil stems from most Brazilian girls hardly being far from shy and being able to find GFE from casa girls and even some streetwalkers with little effort.

[QUOTE=Jimbox;2751228]Iphone prices in Colombia are pretty much the same as in the US.

Don't fall for that! All girls say they don't have phones or they have broken phones. If you really want to buy this girl an iPhone buy her an used phone.[/QUOTE]Actually, I'd double check that. I'm pretty sure the new ones are 20 to 30% more in Colombia due to import duties and VAT. A couple of my favoritas have the iPhone 13 and they had their sisters (who have US visas) purchase in the US because it was that much less. If you're buying a used one, the pricing may be similar to the US, just make sure it's not stolen as they will often be blocked by the carrier.

And DO NOT buy a girl a phone. Very idiotic in my opinion to drop $1000, or even $300 on a phone for 20 year old girl that will break it within a week, leave in a taxi, or have it stolen while she's high on tussi. Also note that it sets an expectation for future gifts of similar size. And $1000 can buy a whole lot of citas jajaja!! My two cents.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2751252]Well buy her a used Rolls Royce while you are at it. Remember when smart phones were for people that needed them to do real business? And the only people that could afford them were people that were making money with them.

I remember having my Palm Treo out when airplane mode first hit the scene. The lady on the plane made me turn my phone all the way off because she did not understand airplane mode even existed.

Now everyone has or wants these expensive ass phones no matter how much money they are making, and they use only 2 types of apps on them. Look at any of these chicks' homescreen and see what is there. The shit is fucking empty because they only use it for 2 things.

If you want to spend $500 for an uneducated, unemployed chick to take pictures and send messages (maybe listen to music too) then you are what some would call a new fool. Shit used to be for mfs that could afford it. As for me, I am not buying a chick anything that she can not buy for herself. What is the fucking point of being a broke mf in the hood with an expensive ass phone? But of course we know that guys will do anything when that pussy is held on the end of a stick and it starts whispering to them.[/QUOTE]Can anyone even try to articulate the "rationale" for buying an irresponsible 3rd world puta an Ifone? For what benefit? My guess, it will be stolen or pawned in less than 48 hrs, or probably more like 12 hrs, talk about labeling ones self a mark? Seriously WTF.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751138]LOL. I'm also open to recommendations on better places to go. My go-to in Latin America is Brazil but flights there tend to be expensive and long. Plus the political situation at the moment makes me second guess going there. Feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]I'm as big of a Brasil fan as you'll find. But you can't beat the convenience of Colombia flying from the US. Those are my two go-to countries. I don't think any other South American country is going to give you a better experience.

To get a lot of passion from the Paisas you have to work at it a bit more than you do in Brasil.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751267]7 k was last year's price, it has since gone up to 8 k for 30 mins and its 16 k for an hour. It's not fucking rocket science to ask for an hour when paying for the room "quiero una hora por favor" versus "quiero un ratico" if you just want the half hour.[/QUOTE]I remember it was 7 K 7/2 this year. That is what I remember but that does not mean I am correct about the price.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2751286]Actually, I'd double check that. I'm pretty sure the new ones are 20 to 30% more in Colombia due to import duties and VAT. A couple of my favoritas have the iPhone 13 and they had their sisters (who have US visas) purchase in the US because it was that much less. If you're buying a used one, the pricing may be similar to the US, just make sure it's not stolen as they will often be blocked by the carrier.

And DO NOT buy a girl a phone. Very idiotic in my opinion to drop $1000, or even $300 on a phone for 20 year old girl that will break it within a week, leave in a taxi, or have it stolen while she's high on tussi. Also note that it sets an expectation for future gifts of similar size. And $1000 can buy a whole lot of citas jajaja!! My two cents.[/QUOTE]I knew right way it was a no as the thought of that exchange would result in losing out too much for just one girl. She's hot, but I know there are others. I wouldn't be coming to Colombia for a $1000. I can do that here and that's elite level escort. Of course I wouldn't know because I can't see myself paying that much for an escort.

I'm willing to take a shave and a hair cut on this one. The new sacalero row is the lawn on the near the north side entrance to the plaza across the street from the front of the Nutibara hotel. They sometimes mix among the other girls so you could cross paths with one unintentionally. Mostly the other girls shun them because they steal and they will accept very low sums to do any perverted thing we rats can come up with. It's a difficult combination to compete against. I try to be open minded but I actively avoid the sacaleros (aka princesas de pegante).

[QUOTE=Nounce;2751319]I remember it was 7 K 7/2 this year. That is what I remember but that does not mean I am correct about the price.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2751166]Sorry you lost some whiskers not liking Sacaleros as a street rat. LOL.

The quality of the Sacaleros has declined over the years. About seven years ago before all the Vennies showed up, they would hang alongside the Museum. And there where some very pretty ones, albeit all being very thin. I know some guys who were into skinny girls that would go with them and pretty much anything was on the menu with them being so spaced out. I went with one of them and the stench was overpowering, like a heavy smoker with nicotine oozing from their pores.

I don't recommend them to anyone unless your into basically fucking a zombie.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751004]After yesterday's experience I was very turned off to facebook chicas. I suppose just about any chica would have been better so I may have rose colored glasses as I share this report. Maria (I won't share her full name but as usual I am more than willing to share via PM for an active forum member) is smoking hot by my standards, about 5' 6', small waist, big (fake) tits, nice ass (big but not too big), 23 years old. She could be a model if she really applied herself. I think her facebook pictures have a bit of skin whitening on it but are otherwise reflective of her. She isn't a fitness girl but a couple of weeks in the gym and she could be. She only has a little bit of fat. I messaged her yesterday about coming at 6 PM today. I was a bit tired so I moved the time to 8 PM so I could take a nap, she was very friendly through the whole process. She arrived by 9 and we sat a chatted a bit. She works in a waitress in a club in Envigado during the weekends and makes 100 mil in salary plus tips per night so probably around 1200 mil per month including tips. She mentioned that gringos give way more tips which I found funny. She doesn't work anywhere else during the week (well, not including this) After the small talk about ourselves, our travels etc. , we went to the bedroom with some foreplay before I did DATY. She really seemed to enjoy my DATY (maybe she was faking it but it must have been really good faking). I joked that she should pay me to which we both had a laugh. She then gave me CBJ and we fucked in cowgirl, doggy and finally I came in missionary. Throughout she gave peaks but no full kisses. We sat and talked for a bit before she took shower. We then sat some more on the sofa and listed to some music and watched some videos on her facebook feed. Her taxi arrived and I paid her (250 k + 20 k taxi) for the two hours and kissed her goodbye.

Overall, it wasn't the most passionate service I had (Average of above average by Colombian standards but not on the level of Brazil in my experience) but it was pretty good and the girl was hot enough to work in gustos and try and charge 4-500 mil / hour. Outside of the lack of DFK, my only complaint was that she was on her phone more than I would have liked. She is a potential repeat for me which is why I am not publicly sharing her info.[/QUOTE]Dude, this **** is worthless. A CBJ, forgetaboutit, a few peck kisses but no GFE, to hell with that shit, but being on the phone the ultimate kick in the nuts, when a girl is workin on my dime she aint going to be on the phone, tell her to put it away or leave. Terrible session, don't even think about repeating.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751267]... It's not fucking rocket science to ask for an hour when paying for the room ....[/QUOTE]I can say pretty much anything just repeating what the translator tells me. LOL. The problem is to understand what the cashier might say after. I don't want to deal with the problem my friend had when he paid for 1 hour but only got 30 minutes. There was a long line of customers that day so I let the girl deal with it and she picked the hotel.

Remember the BBVA ATM fee? It was pretty common knowledge by that time BBVA was charging a fee starting from September. My observation was you reacted negatively like DM's information was wrong when he was correct. I gave you a way out for you to tell others what card you are using. I am telling you this just so you know how you could be perceived when not knowing you personally but I don't know if you care one way or the other and it does not matter to me.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751267]7 k was last year's price, it has since gone up to 8 k for 30 mins and its 16 k for an hour. It's not fucking rocket science to ask for an hour when paying for the room "quiero una hora por favor" versus "quiero un ratico" if you just want the half hour.[/QUOTE]There are lot's of guy's here in Medellin that are dealing with the "challenges" of communicating in Spanish, myself included, so for Spanish speaking guy's like you, what transpired at the Hotel perhaps seems non-sensical. This is a perfect example of how valuable being able to speak the language is.

[QUOTE=PigSavinBoy;2751211]....I remember one that got righteously indignated when I wanted to switch from missionary to doggy - - 'soy no puta! ....[/QUOTE]It don't get more puta than that!

[QUOTE=Nounce;2751417]I can say pretty much anything just repeating what the translator tells me. LOL. The problem is to understand what the cashier might say after. I don't want to deal with the problem my friend had when he paid for 1 hour but only got 30 minutes. There was a long line of customers that day so I let the girl deal with it and she picked the hotel.

Remember the BBVA ATM fee? It was pretty common knowledge by that time BBVA was charging a fee starting from September. My observation was you reacted negatively like DM's information was wrong when he was correct. I gave you a way out for you to tell others what card you are using. I am telling you this just so you know how you could be perceived when not knowing you personally but I don't know if you care one way or the other and it does not matter to me.[/QUOTE]I proved with the pictures I uploaded that BBVA is not charging an ATM fee to everyone, as you pointed out by asking what bank I use, it most likely varies depending on your card whether or not they charge you a fee. Therefore DM as well as the common knowledge was incorrect because it had been suggested that BBVA charged a fee to everyone.

Also if you have to use a translator app to ask for "una hora" and then don't understand what is being said back to you, then you aren't ready for Medellin, go home and take a spanish class at your local community College.

And the price at El Botero Real has been 8 k /16 k half hour / hour since atleast February of this year. Maybe you should lay off the tussi or bazuko or whatever it is that you are on bro.

And you are correct, I don't care.

-Gabacho Out.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2751479]It don't get more puta than that![/QUOTE]Obvio not a Latina either. ;-)

There has not been a lot of pictures recently so I will post some pictures of some of the girls that I saw on my first trip to Medellin. I had posted a mini trip report and I enjoyed my time in Medellin. There is still a lot for me to learn but I am slowly gaining experience in Medellin. All these girls were 18 years old and I checked their ID cards to make sure. They are all girls I found on FB.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2751479]It don't get more puta than that![/QUOTE]I feel it's an feminist approach, I just hate bring such politics into the sex.

I can understand that females feel suppressed in society, or more correct, did feel, today it's very equal in total.

My paisa friend Karen just told me her german boyfriend in medellin.

He treats her by the hair when they do it in the doggy stance, to make them more aggressive!

She loves it!

I can be too romantic, often girls want things much more than you think, it's definitely a few no's or scoldings to then meet one or a few real golden nuggets who really like what both really want!

[QUOTE=Marxh;2751143]I just got a girl who wants an iPhone (of excellent quality)
Want to see if that's a feasible and worthwhile exchange.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.mobile57.com/co/phones/apple-iphone-7-4081[/URL]

Just a quick report.

Spent 2 weeks in El Poblado. On the way over to CTG airport passport control would not let me through unless I was wearing a face mask. Lucky I had a 10 pack, I ended up giving out a few to others on the line who didn't have. Same when boarding the plane, VIVA wouldn't let anyone board unless they were wearing a face mask. Gave some out there too.

The stupid thing is once on the plane almost everyone off their mask. And no ones wearing masks at all in CTG.

So keep a mask with you when flying just in case.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2750944]I agree they are overpriced, but disagree on skipping for a first timer. The strip clubs are both worth seeing in the same vein that so many guys think El Centro SW are worth seeing (which I personally don't). Casas, FB girls, and mileroticos are also worth a try until you find what best suits you.

I personally have found the Fase II and La Isla girls to be more attractive than El Centro (you suggest they're the same), but we obviously have different tase in women. I venture that the percentage of men that would actually find the Centro glue sniffing SW attractive is less than you think.[/QUOTE]I'm talking about the girls that work in the clubs not the SWs, those were pretty weak in quality when I was there a month ago. I'm not into plastic so the girls at the high end clubs don't really interest me, plus I find the girls in El Centro more down to earth and not full of themselves.

I don't do the glue sniffers, they smell like shit and look like zombies, no bueno mi amigo. But yeah if you want to blow some cash and feel like a big baller go hit up Fase II and La Isla.

[QUOTE=Nypher;2751613]Just a quick report.

Spent 2 weeks in El Poblado. On the way over to CTG airport passport control would not let me through unless I was wearing a face mask. Lucky I had a 10 pack, I ended up giving out a few to others on the line who didn't have. Same when boarding the plane, VIVA wouldn't let anyone board unless they were wearing a face mask. Gave some out there too.

The stupid thing is once on the plane almost everyone off their mask. And no ones wearing masks at all in CTG.

So keep a mask with you when flying just in case.[/QUOTE]Yes, I flew from Bogota to Medellin today on LATAM.

Talked to a flight attendant.

She said the government requires masks in airports, airplanes, hospitals, etc.

They seemed more strict about it in the Medellin airport to me.

Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yesterday from FB and Tinder 250 k, but on tinder I have found 3 non pro (investing really little time on the app): 2 asked for 150 and the funny one when I offered 200 went nut and told me she 's not one of those prepagos and wanted much more, she's at Uni and pays her studies this way. I didn't even bother to ask more.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]What gall? The girl told you right. You are approaching her with business language. These are hood chicks, not business people. They mark their prices by what the last guy that came from a country where it would cost more gave them and nothing else. She would rather sit there and starve than to take less than what the last big spender showed her she was worth. How many taxis are these chicks taking when they are footing the bill? In Colombia talk that is like saying and send me a limo in addition to all this money you will pay me.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]One of my rules is don't accept Facebook girls who charge by the hour. Time limits are a distraction. If a girl insists on a time limit I thank her and say goodbye.

You handled it right. You gave her your price, came up to show you were willing to work for a compromise and when she didn't budge, nicely took your leave. I have no problem with a girl quoting a high price, and 350 k isn't especially high, but any girl who is unwilling to negotiate on any point is a waste of time. If she's inflexible in the negotiation, she's probably going to also have a bunch of rules in bed.

Also, the girls who claim it's going to be special with them, hard pass. That's an almost certain indication of dull, unimaginative, mechanical sex.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]Very business like interchange, yet with her firmness on the price she obviously is getting 350 K from other guys for her services. Can't blame her at all to sticking to her guns as that's her business.

And who knows, maybe she does things with guys and it's worth the 350 K to them, and / or can have all kinds of rules and be a total mechanical lay.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2751668]Yes, I flew from Bogota to Medellin today on LATAM.

Talked to a flight attendant.

She said the government requires masks in airports, airplanes, hospitals, etc.

They seemed more strict about it in the Medellin airport to me.[/QUOTE]Last week I flew out of MDE and the mask is required upon entering the boarding area's of the Domestic and International side of the airport, but not outside of those areas. Doesn't make sense as there's as many people outside of the boarding area's.

I remember during the height fo the Pandemic when you needed to wear a mask to get in the Terminal, I'm glad those days are over.

Thats more indicative of what parque lleras girl will start out at during negotations. Also depends on time of day and their relative need (some have other sources of income). And they know the dollar to peso is at an all time high.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]

Otro Pendejo!

[QUOTE=Marxh;2751143]I just got a girl who wants an iPhone (of excellent quality), I assume the newest version. What does phone typically run in Colombia? I've seen a few threads talk about buying phones but not sure the type of phone or cost. Been a lot of girls saying they have no cell or their phone is broken. Haven't mentioned they want a phone, but I can read between the lines.

Want to see if that's a feasible and worthwhile exchange.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]In my experience it's not that unusual for the more attractive and popular girls to quote that, especially if it's there first time with someone and they don't know what you'll be like (ie. Bad hygiene). Keep in mind that 350 k is $75 by today's exchange. You are also asking for 2 hours which throws some girls off. I think you need to evaluate the quality of this particular girls vs others. Maybe she's worth it, maybe not, but the prices are not all the same. If you have time hold to your guns and see if she comes around!

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2751790]In my experience it's not that unusual for the more attractive and popular girls to quote that, especially if it's there first time with someone and they don't know what you'll be like (ie. Bad hygiene). Keep in mind that 350 k is $75 by today's exchange. You are also asking for 2 hours which throws some girls off. I think you need to evaluate the quality of this particular girls vs others. Maybe she's worth it, maybe not, but the prices are not all the same. If you have time hold to your guns and see if she comes around![/QUOTE]I understand your point, yet if he and other guys begins to give 350 K and the exchange rate goes back to where it was do you think the girls will start to ask for less?

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]And based on her fotos, I'd rather FK a glue sniffer zombie en el centro for 30 k. Stay poor!

This is a very valid point. The official currency of Colombia is the peso. US dollar rates is irrelevant to negotiations with locals. Once you begin factoring in foreign exchange rates into your local transactions you are over complicating things and opening yourself up to illogical rationales to over pay. But anyone is within their rights to do so with their own money.

[QUOTE=LionBacker;2751791]I understand your point, yet if he and other guys begins to give 350 K and the exchange rate goes back to where it was do you think the girls will start to ask for less?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]That would come from the 2 week millionaires and the stupid idiots on this board who claim the two week millionaires have no effect. The ones that claim that there is no wrong way to monger and that it is their money and will spend it as they see fit. These idiots are going to pay for it when it is done to them in the future.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2751792]And based on her fotos, I'd rather FK a glue sniffer zombie en el centro for 30 k. Stay poor![/QUOTE]That's funny, but your overpaying at 30 K for a Sacalero, but I suppose if you told them you want unfettered access to their body which is incomprehensible to me given their stench, but including barebacking them and blowing a load in them it might be 30 K but it really begs the question if they would even understand what you wanted even if you told them beforehand, and that's not based on a language barrier, but because they are so spaced out.

I know some guy's who have gone with them, some guy's even repeat with them, and typically say nothing about what is going to take place in the room, and then the guys just have their way with them as many of the girls are so wacked out and in such a daze they don't even realize what's being done to them.

Nothing like a good Zombie fuck. LOL.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751705]Sometimes I really wonder where these girls get their gall from. This is the highest price I have been quoted yet. And no room for negotiation. Guess I'll stay a poor man using poor man's services. LOL.[/QUOTE]The sad fact is that these girls think they're worth 350 because some newbie or weekend warrior or "big" spender paid her that at some point.

I know for a fact these girls started in the business at 100 with far more liberal services than they now offer. Once they get more experienced, more mileage and professional they realize they can offer less and charge more if they target the inexperienced visitors.

Have some self-respect, like you did, and move on to the next girl when one gives you sucker pricing.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2751790]Keep in mind that 350 k is $75 by today's exchange. [/QUOTE]I still have no idea why people talk like this. This is a theoretical supposition that Colombian girls are ordering stuff on an international market and therefore American money has some concrete significance to their lives. Do you think these girls are ordering Nikes off Amazon and paying import duties? Cause I promise they're not. 350,000 is a real number that relates to real prices found in their lives, 75 is some abstract concept about things that concern people who trade stocks and comodities.

350,000 is realistically $110 because that's what it will be as soon as the exchange rate returns to normal. Once they've tasted those amounts, they won't go back down. Never heard of any prosititution market anywhere in the world where a new price gets established and then falls back down in all my 20 years in the sport

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2750944]I agree they are overpriced, but disagree on skipping for a first timer. The strip clubs are both worth seeing in the same vein that so many guys think El Centro SW are worth seeing (which I personally don't). Casas, FB girls, and mileroticos are also worth a try until you find what best suits you.

I personally have found the Fase II and La Isla girls to be more attractive than El Centro (you suggest they're the same), but we obviously have different tase in women. I venture that the percentage of men that would actually find the Centro glue sniffing SW attractive is less than you think.[/QUOTE]And so it seems. Although I have walked El Centro. There was nothing I saw of interest. Different stokes for different guys. Even La Isla has times where the girls are unappealing. I complained to them and they showed me the dressing room. It was 10 PM. The floor was boring, the dressing room was paradise. I wish they let me take a photo back there. LOL I stayed & waited for them to get dressed. By 12 AM the place was full. You just never know.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2751792]And based on her fotos, I'd rather FK a glue sniffer zombie en el centro for 30 k. Stay poor![/QUOTE]She is nothing special at all. Kinda has a retard face. Or maybe she is fucked up on all her pics.

[QUOTE=Nclpimp;2751907]She is nothing special at all. Kinda has a retard face. Or maybe she is fucked up on all her pics.[/QUOTE]Very Plain Jane. A million other choices in the ciity at a better price, and equal or better looking. IMO. I bet she really appreciates us chatting about her.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2751861]I still have no idea why people talk like this. This is a theoretical supposition that Colombian girls are ordering stuff on an international market and therefore American money has some concrete significance to their lives. Do you think these girls are ordering Nikes off Amazon and paying import duties? Cause I promise they're not. 350,000 is a real number that relates to real prices found in their lives, 75 is some abstract concept about things that concern people who trade stocks and comodities.

350,000 is realistically $110 because that's what it will be as soon as the exchange rate returns to normal. Once they've tasted those amounts, they won't go back down. Never heard of any prosititution market anywhere in the world where a new price gets established and then falls back down in all my 20 years in the sport[/QUOTE]I'm going to explain this 2 ways.

1. When the exchange rate was 2000 to 1 the Facebook girls were getting 150 k. At 3000 to 1, still 150 k. At 4000 to 1, it finally began to move up to 200 k. After 2 years at or above 4000 per dollar, it's creeping up to 250 k.

From the monger POV, the cost at each rate was $75, $50, $50 and $63. That's over an 8 year span. Adjusting for inflation, even if it was at $90 the actual cost to the monger would be less than 8 years ago.

Has your cost for anything else dropped in the past 8 years? I just went to a place I haven't visited for 1 year. I ordered my usual. What cost $14 last year costs over $18 now. All the complaints about having to pay more for pussy when you're actually paying less seem silly at best.

2. Colombia is not some magical land where inflation doesn't exist. Costs have gone up, in some cases the increase over the past 2 years has far outpaced inflation. Every girl is spending more money just to maintain the same standard of living. If your income does not meet your living expenses, income needs to increase. In simple terms, 200 k today buys less than 200 k bought 2 years ago.

I won't try to speak for anyone else. If my boss was still trying to pay me what he was paying 8 years ago, we wouldn't be talking.

Forget about how what a girl is charging compares to what the typical Colombian makes. To begin with the number everyone uses isn't the typical or average wage, it's the government mandated minimum wage. How many of you are willing to suck my dick for minimum wage? Try getting a taxista to give you a BBBJ for 40 k.

The Colombian minimum wage has been a big issue for several years. Flat out, it's not enough to support a family. Why do you think most girls either still live at home, or share a place with several other girls? They aren't driving new BMW's and living in penthouse apartments. They're sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor, with no hot water and minimal comforts.

If I need to adjust what I pay to match inflation, I'm okay with that. If I have to pay more, I'm okay with that too. If I don't want to pay what a girl wants, I know how to either keep looking, or to go where it's cheaper.

[QUOTE=RoundtheWorld;2751856]The sad fact is that these girls think they're worth 350 because some newbie or weekend warrior or "big" spender paid her that at some point.

I know for a fact these girls started in the business at 100 with far more liberal services than they now offer. Once they get more experienced, more mileage and professional they realize they can offer less and charge more if they target the inexperienced visitors.

Have some self-respect, like you did, and move on to the next girl when one gives you sucker pricing.[/QUOTE]The sad fact is that people think 350 k is big money.

You know for a fact that the girls started out charging 100 k? That's a bold statement and false. Girls start different ways, for different rates, offering different services.

Better yet, what does it matter what price a girl started at? When you're negotiating with your boss for a pay increase does he bring up where you started at?

The indifferent fact (like all facts) is that each girl is going to ask for whatever price she feels comfortable with. Each girl is going to offer services she is comfortable with. Every time, every monger needs to decide whether to pay, negotiate or walk. Complaints and arguments are not going to change any of that.

If you don't want to pay, go play in a different sandbox.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2751861]I still have no idea why people talk like this. This is a theoretical supposition that Colombian girls are ordering stuff on an international market and therefore American money has some concrete significance to their lives. Do you think these girls are ordering Nikes off Amazon and paying import duties? Cause I promise they're not. 350,000 is a real number that relates to real prices found in their lives, 75 is some abstract concept about things that concern people who trade stocks and comodities.

350,000 is realistically $110 because that's what it will be as soon as the exchange rate returns to normal. Once they've tasted those amounts, they won't go back down. Never heard of any prosititution market anywhere in the world where a new price gets established and then falls back down in all my 20 years in the sport[/QUOTE]When Colombia was in lockdown with Covid19 and there was no flight in / out Colombia pussy price decreased real fast.

So in the end the price is up because Tourist are paying big money for pussy that's all. Without tourist they local narcos and business bosses couldn't handle them all.

So the price is what tourist are willing to pay. Keep in mind that the minimum monthly salary is now somewhere between 250-300 dollars.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2751865]And so it seems. Although I have walked El Centro. There was nothing I saw of interest. Different stokes for different guys. ...[/QUOTE]Try think about it differently. If you are going to have sex with a different girl everyday for one month, you probably can find a few of Centro girls to fit in. But if it is only a week, maybe not. You also need to get used to girls without makeup or bad makeup, and things like that.

I guess I know how you think. This reply is just trying to put some context into my perspective.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751487]I proved with the pictures ...[/QUOTE]BBVA wasn't charging a fee to everyone before. DM is sharing information about the change in policy to help others.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751487]...Also if you have to use a translator app to ask for "una hora" and then don't understand what is being said back to you, then you aren't ready for Medellin...[/QUOTE]I am posting my experience to share. I am guessing there are people like me so hopefully those information will be useful. Translator is irrelevant. I never said I need a translator to speak. You assume that. To me listening comprehension is much harder than speaking.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2751487]... go home and take a spanish class at your local community College....[/QUOTE]What makes you say that? Just because I share my experience? LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751922]I'm going to explain this 2 ways.

1. When the exchange rate was 2000 to 1 the Facebook girls were getting 150 k. At 3000 to 1, still 150 k. At 4000 to 1, it finally began to move up to 200 k. After 2 years at or above 4000 per dollar, it's creeping up to 250 k.

From the monger POV, the cost at each rate was $75, $50, $50 and $63. That's over an 8 year span. Adjusting for inflation, even if it was at $90 the actual cost to the monger would be less than 8 years ago.

Has your cost for anything else dropped in the past 8 years? I just went to a place I haven't visited for 1 year. I ordered my usual. What cost $14 last year costs over $18 now. All the complaints about having to pay more for pussy when you're actually paying less seem silly at best.

2. Colombia is not some magical land where inflation doesn't exist. Costs have gone up, in some cases the increase over the past 2 years has far outpaced inflation. Every girl is spending more money just to maintain the same standard of living. If your income does not meet your living expenses, income needs to increase. In simple terms, 200 k today buys less than 200 k bought 2 years ago.

I won't try to speak for anyone else. If my boss was still trying to pay me what he was paying 8 years ago, we wouldn't be talking.

Forget about how what a girl is charging compares to what the typical Colombian makes. To begin with the number everyone uses isn't the typical or average wage, it's the government mandated minimum wage. How many of you are willing to suck my dick for minimum wage? Try getting a taxista to give you a BBBJ for 40 k.

The Colombian minimum wage has been a big issue for several years. Flat out, it's not enough to support a family. Why do you think most girls either still live at home, or share a place with several other girls? They aren't driving new BMW's and living in penthouse apartments. They're sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor, with no hot water and minimal comforts.

If I need to adjust what I pay to match inflation, I'm okay with that. If I have to pay more, I'm okay with that too. If I don't want to pay what a girl wants, I know how to either keep looking, or to go where it's cheaper.[/QUOTE]Are the prices you are quoting for 1 hour or 2 hours?

I think the point is that in economic terms, it doesn't make sense to track Colombian prices vs the dollar. Inflation over the last 8 years has been about 50% so one would expect prices to go up by about that to 225 k from the 150 k they were back then. Colombians shouldn't be tracking US prices because they for the most part aren't affected by currency effects. Food, housing, education, clothes, transport all track with the Colombian CPI. Only import goods would be related to currency effects. This aligns with the prices I have seen on the prepago websites over time. I suppose if the market is saturated by gringos who don't understand this, then everything will track US prices which I guess would explain the same phenomenon in Lleras, Gustos, La Isla etc. Which are all dominated by foreigners.

Regardless, the point I was trying to make was more related to the sense of superiority this girl had. I know girls can charge and do whatever they want. But it really is something when a girl who likely, as you described, is "sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor" thinks that she can fairly call anyone poor. I meant it to be less of a complaint and more of a funny observation.

The price is not fixed. There were FB girls charging 250 and up before COVID.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751986]...
Regardless, the point I was trying to make was more related to the sense of superiority this girl had. I know girls can charge and do whatever they want. But it really is something when a girl who likely, as you described, is "sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor" thinks that she can fairly call anyone poor. I meant it to be less of a complaint and more of a funny observation.[/QUOTE]It seems the superiority attitude is new and more pervasive now. Some would say something like who told you I would leave my house for less than 250.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2751861]I still have no idea why people talk like this. This is a theoretical supposition that Colombian girls are ordering stuff on an international market and therefore American money has some concrete significance to their lives. Do you think these girls are ordering Nikes off Amazon and paying import duties? Cause I promise they're not. 350,000 is a real number that relates to real prices found in their lives, 75 is some abstract concept about things that concern people who trade stocks and comodities.

350,000 is realistically $110 because that's what it will be as soon as the exchange rate returns to normal. Once they've tasted those amounts, they won't go back down. Never heard of any prosititution market anywhere in the world where a new price gets established and then falls back down in all my 20 years in the sport[/QUOTE]The exchange rate has been increasing for years, yet your saying ithat when it returns to normal the exchange rate will have dropped based on your example, yet what has been normal over the past years is the exchange rate has increased versus declined, meaning that what is normal is an increase.

In reality, Colombia is an anomaly compared to most other mongering venues. Because of the increased value of the USD and the ongoing increase in the exchange rate, mongering has actually been getting cheaper over the years versus increasing even factoring in for inflation.

Again Colombia is a unique market, not only because of the exchange rate, but you also have the flood of Venezuelans upsetting the market as well, and just about all of the Colombian providers despise them. Colombians have told me how much more lucrative the market was for them before they showed up.

And as far as Colombians thinking in terms of USD, with the exception of few, I agree with you as USD aren't used anywhere.

Anyone know any airbnb in Medellin laurles area. I am staying at San Peters in Laureles but the music until morning is killing me and cannot sleep at night. I am here for past 4 days and cannot sleep. I am looking for an apartment until October 15th. Thanks for your help.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2751792]And based on her fotos, I'd rather FK a glue sniffer zombie en el centro for 30 k. Stay poor![/QUOTE]Interesting. When I searched her name on Facebook, I come up with 3 girls with that name who I have mutual friends with and it appears all 3 are P4P. One of them looks average. Nothing wrong with her. I wouldn't pay 350 k, but I'd certainly take her over a glue sniffer.

The other 2 are fairly attractive, although the most likely one (based on the price she quoted and the mutual friends, isn't my type. Nice to look at but not my preference for sex.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2751840]That would come from the 2 week millionaires and the stupid idiots on this board who claim the two week millionaires have no effect. The ones that claim that there is no wrong way to monger and that it is their money and will spend it as they see fit. These idiots are going to pay for it when it is done to them in the future.[/QUOTE]Complete and utter nonsense.

First, the two week millionaires aren't going through Facebook to find girls. If you're not worried about price you either go to Gusto or you hire someone to bring you girls. If she's working Facebook chances are slim that she will ever run into enough of those types to change her rates.

Second, I ran the name through Facebook. One of the matches comes up as a friend of a rather well-known provider of prepagos and her girls have long been insisting on 300 k or more. Chances are she's always been charging more than the average.

Finally, it will never affect me because I know the secret to success. It's quite obvious not everyone is ready to learn the secret to success, but I will share it anyway. Perhaps it will open a few eyes, or better yet, minds.

Ready for it?

The secret is drumroll.

There are other girls.

Amazing isn't it? It might take 15 minutes, maybe an hour, but I can always find a girl in my price range.

Of course there may come a day when every girl insists on 350 k. That's when you get to decide whether or not it's worth it.

Paid $250 for my first car, a 1967 Chevy Impala SS, body fair, interior almost perfect and a strong 327 under the hood. When it came time to get a different car, $250 wouldn't cut it. I didn't stop driving.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751986]Are the prices you are quoting for 1 hour or 2 hours?

I think the point is that in economic terms, it doesn't make sense to track Colombian prices vs the dollar. Inflation over the last 8 years has been about 50% so one would expect prices to go up by about that to 225 k from the 150 k they were back then. Colombians shouldn't be tracking US prices because they for the most part aren't affected by currency effects. Food, housing, education, clothes, transport all track with the Colombian CPI. Only import goods would be related to currency effects. This aligns with the prices I have seen on the prepago websites over time. I suppose if the market is saturated by gringos who don't understand this, then everything will track US prices which I guess would explain the same phenomenon in Lleras, Gustos, La Isla etc. Which are all dominated by foreigners.

Regardless, the point I was trying to make was more related to the sense of superiority this girl had. I know girls can charge and do whatever they want. But it really is something when a girl who likely, as you described, is "sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor" thinks that she can fairly call anyone poor. I meant it to be less of a complaint and more of a funny observation.[/QUOTE]The prices I quoted are for a date. In my experience most Facebook girls will happily stick around if they're enjoying themselves. Most stay for 2+ hours (with me) and some all night.

150 k was the typical price and 225 k as an adjustment for inflation is right on. I think it's a bit over 226 k, but that's close enough. However, there have always been outliers. At 150 k I had several who wouldn't budge off of 200 or 250. I also had one who wouldn't accept less than 250 k accept 150 k once and 90 k another time. At the same time I found girls asking for 1 million or more.

If it's the right Vanessa Zapata she's one of La Vane's girls. Her girls were asking for 300-350 k 2 years ago.

Many girls are well are of the exchange rate. They know that everything costs less for us in Colombia.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2751978]Try think about it differently. If you are going to have sex with a different girl everyday for one month, you probably can find a few of Centro girls to fit in. But if it is only a week, maybe not. You also need to get used to girls without makeup or bad makeup, and things like that.[/QUOTE]LOL while it's entertaining to peruse the SW's and club girls. I do not need a different ho every night or even every week. Never have. Although the apatite might be similar I look for quality over quantity. Good memories over bad to mediocre. No bags to put over their heads. If they absolutely NEED makeup, nada! I am aware there are guys who try to bang as many as they can. A lot of them here, they don't know what they are missing.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2752077]LOL while it's entertaining to peruse the SW's and club girls. I do not need a different ho every night or even every week. Never have. Although the apatite might be similar I look for quality over quantity. Good memories over bad to mediocre. No bags to put over their heads. If they absolutely NEED makeup, nada! I am aware there are guys who try to bang as many as they can. A lot of them here, they don't know what they are missing.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I've been saying many times here, but keep getting attacked. They just don't get it. Good for us, DonCarlos! Less competition, more nice girls.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2752022]Anyone know any airbnb in Medellin laurles area. I am staying at San Peters in Laureles but the music until morning is killing me and cannot sleep at night. I am here for past 4 days and cannot sleep. I am looking for an apartment until October 15th. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Try Centro de negocios 3/33, but only the units facing south (Calle 32 f, not avenida 33). Girl friendly building, new and modern.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2751861]I still have no idea why people talk like this. This is a theoretical supposition that Colombian girls are ordering stuff on an international market and therefore American money has some concrete significance to their lives. Do you think these girls are ordering Nikes off Amazon and paying import duties? Cause I promise they're not. 350,000 is a real number that relates to real prices found in their lives, 75 is some abstract concept about things that concern people who trade stocks and comodities.
[/QUOTE]Outside of fresh food and fruits, Colombia imports an enormous amount of what it consumes. In 2020, imports were $45 B vs $30 B for exports. Of those imports about $22 B were from the US. This is an enormous balance in the wrong way for a poor country. Those imports are priced in USD (hence the importance of $ pricing as it trickles down to the end buyer, our Colombian chicas and their familes. Those imports include everything from soda (using corn) to many packaged foods, refined petroleum, and yes. Electronics such as those iPhones that the chicas love so much. While the girls are unlikely to know the current exchange rate, they do know that many of their purchases cost 10% to 15% more now than they did a year ago. If their cost of living has gone up it's only rationale that they ask for more. Colombia is not a self sustaining economy that makes everything it consumes.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2751986]

Regardless, the point I was trying to make was more related to the sense of superiority this girl had. I know girls can charge and do whatever they want. But it really is something when a girl who likely, as you described, is "sleeping on a piece of foam on a concrete floor" thinks that she can fairly call anyone poor. I meant it to be less of a complaint and more of a funny observation.[/QUOTE]I don't disagree that the 'superiority' of the girls can be annoying, but note that a good number of these girls are solid middle class for Colombia and not sleeping on a 'piece of foam on a concrete floor. ' Of my regulars that start around 300 k, two have US visas and been there and Europe multiple times. One is manager in a bank, and one has her own small bakery plus Mazda 6 car (cars quite expensive here). Some of these girls are doing better than you think is what I'm getting at. Some of these things you can judge by their pictures, or communications, and then know how needy they are.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2751922]I'm going to explain this 2 ways.

If I need to adjust what I pay to match inflation, I'm okay with that. If I have to pay more, I'm okay with that too. If I don't want to pay what a girl wants, I know how to either keep looking, or to go where it's cheaper.[/QUOTE]Agree 100% with what you wrote. I think we all enjoy discussing the pricing dynamic here, pure capitalism, but at the end of the day it's much cheaper for quality and ease of access than you'll find anywhere else in the world (in my opinion). Yes, there's Asia, but I don't feel like a 24 hour trip and spending $1,500 at the moment.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2752111]Try Centro de negocios 3/33, but only the units facing south (Calle 32 f, not avenida 33). Girl friendly building, new and modern.[/QUOTE]I tried to send you a private message but your inbox is full. How can I book a apartment. Do I have to go through airbnb or any other websites?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2752107]This is exactly what I've been saying many times here, but keep getting attacked. They just don't get it. Good for us, DonCarlos! Less competition, more nice girls.[/QUOTE]Maybe it is because others perceive that you think you know what is the best for them when in fact what you are saying is what is the best for you, and the hint of superiority. I guess you are trying to share. I would avoid the negativity if that is the case.

Try google [B]Watching Someone Elses Movie on an Airplane[/B] and read about it. It can apply to this context.

So DC says he does not need one everyday. My question is would he prefers it if there is one available everyday? My guess is there are not that many 9's and 10's (whatever that means) to go around. At least I don't see it for me so that presents another problem. It would be lucky for me to have a new one every week. That will be about 52 a year. You can adjust to any other length of time. The problem is similar assuming one is a monger.

All the price discussion on here, rates and what not.

Reminder that the average worker at a normal job, waiting tables, working at a retail store etc. They make 35-45 k a day. 35-45 k. And that's considered "okay".

So the next time a vennie quotes you 50 k + room in centro or some alright looking prepago quotes 150 k for a session, remember. 35-45 k a day!

Spend what you like, but remember what locals pay!

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2752022]Anyone know any airbnb in Medellin laurles area. I am staying at San Peters in Laureles but the music until morning is killing me and cannot sleep at night. I am here for past 4 days and cannot sleep. I am looking for an apartment until October 15th. Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]Go on Airbnb and search. There are many in the area you refer to. Not much point in asking here because you have to go on Airbnb to check on availability anyway. And then, when you find places, check the rules to see whether guests are allowed, and before booking I would highly recommend asking the host about having guests.

To the original poster:

You will want to find a place well away from la 70 and Avenida Nutibara to avoid the overnight noise pollution. Be aware also of the problem with stick up boys on motorcycles who prowl the quieter foliage covered streets of Laureles at night. As long as you are aware they prowl the area you will be OK. Enjoy your visit.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2752133]Go on Airbnb and search. There are many in the area you refer to. Not much point in asking here because you have to go on Airbnb to check on availability anyway. And then, when you find places, check the rules to see whether guests are allowed, and before booking I would highly recommend asking the host about having guests.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2752077]LOL while it's entertaining to peruse the SW's and club girls. I do not need a different ho every night or even every week. Never have. Although the apatite might be similar I look for quality over quantity. Good memories over bad to mediocre. No bags to put over their heads. If they absolutely NEED makeup, nada! I am aware there are guys who try to bang as many as they can. A lot of them here, they don't know what they are missing.[/QUOTE]Or maybe they do know and aren't missing it.

I've been down both roads. I've done the one girl for a long time thing and the different girl every night thing. At different times in my life I've had different preferences. Same with body types. Tall, short, thin, voluptuous, each type has been my favorite at one time.

Each guy mongers in his own way.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2752077]LOL while it's entertaining to peruse the SW's and club girls. I do not need a different ho every night or even every week. Never have. Although the apatite might be similar I look for quality over quantity. Good memories over bad to mediocre. No bags to put over their heads. If they absolutely NEED makeup, nada! I am aware there are guys who try to bang as many as they can. A lot of them here, they don't know what they are missing.[/QUOTE]I usually find a good one to move in with me for 3 days or so. Love that morning sex sin condom. On a side note, I wonder what happened to Osteonot? I have a feeling that reality kicked him in the ass. My first trip to MDE will be in Dec. Its all booked.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2752116]I don't disagree that the 'superiority' of the girls can be annoying, but note that a good number of these girls are solid middle class for Colombia and not sleeping on a 'piece of foam on a concrete floor. ' Of my regulars that start around 300 k, two have US visas and been there and Europe multiple times. One is manager in a bank, and one has her own small bakery plus Mazda 6 car (cars quite expensive here). Some of these girls are doing better than you think is what I'm getting at. Some of these things you can judge by their pictures, or communications, and then know how needy they are.[/QUOTE]Define "a good number. " What percentage of prostitutes in Colombia have a US visa, own a car and manage banks, or own successful businesses?

I'll do you one better. My 1 regular has a US visa, has a car and her family owns property in Envigado, Medellin and Guatape. Both her and her sister have traveled often, although not yet to Europe. She spent much of the summer with me in the US and I've never paid her for sex (which would be much cheaper).

But those aren't typical Colombian prostitutes. Those are middle class girls who understand the advantages of fucking gringos. The typical hooker isn't from an estrato 4 neighborhood, estrato 2 at best. They own very little and live poorly.

Go out and find a girl working the street in El Centro, or in one of the casas who has a car, US visa and lives in a middle class neighborhood.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2751853]That's funny, but your overpaying at 30 K for a Sacalero, but I suppose if you told them you want unfettered access to their body which is incomprehensible to me given their stench, but including barebacking them and blowing a load in them it might be 30 K but it really begs the question if they would even understand what you wanted even if you told them beforehand, and that's not based on a language barrier, but because they are so spaced out.

I know some guy's who have gone with them, some guy's even repeat with them, and typically say nothing about what is going to take place in the room, and then the guys just have their way with them as many of the girls are so wacked out and in such a daze they don't even realize what's being done to them.

Nothing like a good Zombie fuck. LOL.[/QUOTE]Halloween treats for all you Centro rats LMAO.

Bon Appe'tit.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752129]All the price discussion on here, rates and what not.

Reminder that the average worker at a normal job, waiting tables, working at a retail store etc. They make 35-45 k a day. 35-45 k. And that's considered "okay".

So the next time a vennie quotes you 50 k + room in centro or some alright looking prepago quotes 150 k for a session, remember. 35-45 k a day!

Spend what you like, but remember what locals pay![/QUOTE]And that matters in what way?

The average US hourly wage is around $11 per hour. After taxes that's about $60 per day. It's hard to find reasonable pussy in the US for under $200 per hour. If she's under 25 and under 125 pounds, kick that up to $400. If she's pretty, $500 and up. Even $1000 is not uncommon.

Using your logic, starting price for pussy in Colombia should be 120-150 k for the chubby, older or uglier girls, 240-300 k for the decent girls and around 400 k for the pretty ones.

I'll say it again. Approach the typical Colombian working a typical job and offer them 35 k to fuck you and let us know how that works for you.

I have been to Medellin every month since I turned 60 years in 2021.

I will be there on the 18th.

For some of you Americans and Europeans you are from first countries visiting a third world country to fuck third world putas.

And here you you talking about women have visas to travel.

Most people from third world countries that have visas do not return to their countries.

So I say it's bullshit that some guys are banging chick's that travel.

A lot of liars are here on the board.

That's why if I have to do a report here I will not.

It's you paid too much.

I spend my money how I want to.

I live in Guyana it's third world.

I travel every month to Canada for 2 days the to Medellin for 4 or 5 days.

Colombia is so fucking cheap.

I like to drink and party on LA 70.

I have a ton of local girls that's strata 3 and 4.

I treat them like people they like to drink Baileys.

It only 110 mil pesos. Thats only another 28 dollars.

Everything here is about their girls are lawyers, doctors from very rich families.

Did they take these gringos to meet parents and spend time at their homes.

The real loosers here are you first world countries Boys. No one forced you to go to Colombia.

But complains about their systems.

Oh their late. Or Immigration takes to long.

Well just fucking stay home and you get all the first treatment you whiners.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752129]All the price discussion on here, rates and what not.

Reminder that the average worker at a normal job, waiting tables, working at a retail store etc. They make 35-45 k a day. 35-45 k. And that's considered "okay".

So the next time a vennie quotes you 50 k + room in centro or some alright looking prepago quotes 150 k for a session, remember. 35-45 k a day!

Spend what you like, but remember what locals pay![/QUOTE]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

Everyone is an expert here.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=Chicago85;2752112]Outside of fresh food and fruits, Colombia imports an enormous amount of what it consumes. In 2020, imports were $45 B vs $30 B for exports. Of those imports about $22 B were from the US. This is an enormous balance in the wrong way for a poor country. Those imports are priced in USD (hence the importance of $ pricing as it trickles down to the end buyer, our Colombian chicas and their familes. Those imports include everything from soda (using corn) to many packaged foods, refined petroleum, and yes. Electronics such as those iPhones that the chicas love so much. While the girls are unlikely to know the current exchange rate, they do know that many of their purchases cost 10% to 15% more now than they did a year ago. If their cost of living has gone up it's only rationale that they ask for more. Colombia is not a self sustaining economy that makes everything it consumes.[/QUOTE]It's the same as America have an enormous trade imbalance with China and Japan.

So your theory do not hold up.

Sureman.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

Everyone is an expert here.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]How much are the girls in Guyana going for?

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752252]Most people from third world countries that have visas do not return to their countries. So I say it's bullshit that some guys are banging chick's that travel.
[/QUOTE]"Surely" you did not mean to write this because there are planeloads of people everyday that prove you wrong. And just because people are from a third world country does not mean they are living hand to mouth and can not afford to travel at least once in a blue moon. I have an exgirlfriend in a third world country who is a partner in an international accounting firm. She drives a Mercedes and just got back from Italy. She traveled to the USA just to get a covid vaccine when they first came out because in her country there was a waiting list where certain demographics had priority. Hell, while I was waiting in line at the phone store in her country even the girl that was monitoring the line had a US covid card around her neck. She said that she had also traveled there for the shot. But according to you she did not return to the third world country she is from.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752125]Maybe it is because others perceive that you think you know what is the best for them when in fact what you are saying is what is the best for you, and the hint of superiority. I guess you are trying to share. I would avoid the negativity if that is the case.

Try google [B]Watching Someone Elses Movie on an Airplane[/B] and read about it. It can apply to this context.

So DC says he does not need one everyday. My question is would he prefers it if there is one available everyday? My guess is there are not that many 9's and 10's (whatever that means) to go around. At least I don't see it for me so that presents another problem. It would be lucky for me to have a new one every week. That will be about 52 a year. You can adjust to any other length of time. The problem is similar assuming one is a monger.[/QUOTE]The hint of superiority.

I will preface what I am writing may or may not apply to you MB? I don't know you and have never met you so I don't know anything about you.

But to this point, "the hint of superiority".

IMO people that overpay for things, (ok lets be honest its mostly women that do that, but lets not give men a total free pass).

Do so for a reason, IMO its because they delude themselves into thinking it makes them superior to others.

Ironically I believe it makes them intellectually inferior LOL.

Arrogance is a mask the inferior wear with excessive pride.

MDS 10.10. 2022.

And this is why I don't go the 'Jean.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2751840]That would come from the 2 week millionaires and the stupid idiots on this board who claim the two week millionaires have no effect. The ones that claim that there is no wrong way to monger and that it is their money and will spend it as they see fit. These idiots are going to pay for it when it is done to them in the future.[/QUOTE]

Paying more does not make you look like a Baller. In her eyes it makes you look like a pendejo. Trust me when I tell you that these women talk and they have groups about foreigner man.

Do you guys want to know what race they talk about that spends more and they don't respect?

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752284]Paying more does not make you look like a Baller. In her eyes it makes you look like a pendejo. Trust me when I tell you that these women talk and they have groups about foreigner man.

Do you guys want to know what race they talk about that spends more and they don't respect?[/QUOTE]Yeah I want to know. What race?

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752252]I have been to Medellin every month since I turned 60 years in 2021.

I will be there on the 18th.

For some of you Americans and Europeans you are from first countries visiting a third world country to fuck third world putas.

And here you you talking about women have visas to travel.

Most people from third world countries that have visas do not return to their countries.

So I say it's bullshit that some guys are banging chick's that travel.

A lot of liars are here on the board.

That's why if I have to do a report here I will not.

It's you paid too much.

I spend my money how I want to.

I live in Guyana it's third world.

I travel every month to Canada for 2 days the to Medellin for 4 or 5 days.

Colombia is so fucking cheap.

I like to drink and party on LA 70.

I have a ton of local girls that's strata 3 and 4.

I treat them like people they like to drink Baileys.

It only 110 mil pesos. Thats only another 28 dollars.

Everything here is about their girls are lawyers, doctors from very rich families.

Did they take these gringos to meet parents and spend time at their homes.

The real loosers here are you first world countries Boys. No one forced you to go to Colombia.

But complains about their systems.

Oh their late. Or Immigration takes to long.

Well just fucking stay home and you get all the first treatment you whiners.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]I guess it's not just the US. A lot of US men, once they reach 60 seem to get pissed off about everything. Is it like that in Guyana, or is it just you?

I've only spent 2 weeks in Colombia since I turned 60. Hoping to squeeze in another 2 weeks before the end of the year. I travel to Canada too. Haven't been for the past year, but for the rest of the year (and probably the next few years) I'll be there twice a week.

Everything in Colombia is so cheap. While I certainly enjoy fucking the women, I go there for much more. I have no complaints about immigration, about girls being late or about Colombian systems. I've paid for services in Colombia (electric, gas, sewage, cable) and used their medical services. I was reasonably impressed by both.

Lots of Colombian girls travel. At any given time I have girls on my Facebook friend list who are in at least 3 different countries. Mexico, Spain and the Dominican Republic, along with Panama are all common destinations. Often they are traveling to work as prostitutes elsewhere. Some are models traveling for work. Many find guys who want to take them out of Colombia for a vacation.

Of course most of those girls are traveling to countries where no visa is required. I currently know only 4 Colombian women who have US visas. Only 1 has been in my bed, although 1 has been waiting for the invitation. Both of those girls got their visas because they belonged to teams which competed in the US. It's a combination B1 and B2 visa which allows tourism, competition and attending business conferences. It doesn't allow them to work in the US and their maximum stay is 6 months (although immigration can shorten that or even refuse entry).

The other 2 women, 1 is from a very wealthy family and spent 2 years studying in the US. She's not a puta, is married and owns a successful business. The last one has long been a top webcam model. She owns property in Medellin and travels to the US for adult expos. She was my neighbor for 10 months when I lived in Medellin. Both are just friends.

The first girl I mentioned is my girlfriend. Twice I've paid for her tickets to come and visit me. The first time she stayed for 6 days while I took a mini vacation. The second time the plan was for her to stay almost 5 months and return to Colombia for Christmas. Unfortunately, US immigration decided she could only stay 7 weeks.

I also spend my money how I want to. I'm pretty sure that's true of everyone here.

Attached is a view from the top of Willis Tower in Chicago. Unless you want to claim I somehow snuck a 108 story skyscraper into Colombia (along with Lake Michigan and downtown Chicago), you might want to accept that some guys know some girls with US visas.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752283]And this is why I don't go the 'Jean.[/QUOTE]Because some clown who knows next to nothing is constantly complaining about some non-existent problem? Damn that sucks. Don't start reading restaurant reviews because you'll have to stop eating out. There are always fools bitchin about ridiculous crap.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752284]Paying more does not make you look like a Baller. In her eyes it makes you look like a pendejo. Trust me when I tell you that these women talk and they have groups about foreigner man.

Do you guys want to know what race they talk about that spends more and they don't respect?[/QUOTE]Ah. So we're supposed to be fucking hookers in order to earn their respect? I wish someone would have explained that to me 42 years ago. All this time I've been thinking I was fucking them because I wanted pussy and didn't want to work to get it.

Can you tell me how much that respect is worth? If I'm trying to buy a house, can I put down "Respected by Colombian Hookers" as an asset? What section of my resume should that go under? Can it at least get me a 10% discount at Denny's?

Yep, the girls all talk to each other. And do you know what they do after they find out some white gringo paid one of them more than they usually get? They message the guy and try to get in on the action. Know what they do when they learn about a guy who pays the minimum and expects the maximum? They message the guys who pay more.

This might be news to you. Girls who are selling pussy aren't doing it to find guys they can respect. They're doing it to get paid. If they can get paid more for the same job, they aren't turning it down because they'd rather respect some stranger than have money. The respect has a lot more to do with how you treat them.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and pay more. Pay whatever you're comfortable with that gets you what you want. However, if you're sitting alone because you're worried that paying more than someone else will lose you the respect of prostitutes, you might want to skip the mongering.

After some trouble scheduling with FB Chicas, I decided to go with my tried and true, mileroticos. She was very responsive with texting and I headed over to her place near the Estadio metro after taking a quick shower. She met me outside at the entrance. She is a taller and curvier girl but by no means fat. There are two other girls living in the apartment but they aren't remotely as attractive, more of the stuff you would see in centro. She insists that I pay before the service which I am ok with because she has positive reviews online. We start with some pecks and groping after which she cleans off my dick to do OWO. After a bit we move to cowgirl. Cowgirl is a bit difficult since she is a bit bigger and the condom ends up getting stuck inside her. We switch to a new condom and do some missionary and doggystyle. I am about to cum and tell her I want CIM. She moves to give me more OWO. I am not someone who cums easily through oral but to her credit she stayed at it for almost 10 minutes until I came. She sucked me dry and went to the shower to clean up as I dressed up. She had a very good attitude throughout which I was happy with. She also does just about anything for a price (anal, trios, TLN). Total damage 160 (130 for the hour, 30 for CIM).

Her link if anyone is interested: https: co. Mileroticos. Com / escorts / andrea-joven-paisa-con-el-mejor-servicio-dejate-seducirte-por-mis-encantos /23674834/.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752284]Paying more does not make you look like a Baller. In her eyes it makes you look like a pendejo. Trust me when I tell you that these women talk and they have groups about foreigner man.

Do you guys want to know what race they talk about that spends more and they don't respect?[/QUOTE]Once in a while I see these sneaky racist posts and I'm not sure why admin allows them. Racists always want others to be racists. So I guess you've fucked 99% of the Millions of girls in medellin and you know what they ALL prefer, you're part of their clubs. Cause I'm sure you wouldn't dare posting this just cause you've chatted with 2 or 3 chicken heads or street rats and suddenly you assume they speak for millions. Man, a I guess an occasional good pussy make some of us sing songs, see colors and everything eh!!

So don't be a pussy, say what you want to say, say the race you want to call out or what you think you know or just stfu. This shouldn't even be a topic you partake w putas. Putas will tell gringo 1/ race1 that he's her favorite, he'll meet gringo 2/ race 2 and say the same. We all know this game. Even even if. Or if and only if racism and discrimination exists between wg / pornstars, etc. This still aint the place or hint or to bring it up. Drop that silly superiority complex. You're paying for pussy like everyone else w your "preferred race".

I don't know why some dudes come on here posting crap like Oh look at me I'm the man, she favors me, she prefers my race, my money's better. Man some of yall need therapy. I mean I get it, your whole life was deprived from getting laid and it caused some mental instability, but now that you're getting some, just chill and act mature like you're getting some. Congrats you're no longer a virgin LOL.

No one likes bragging dudes who gets pussy, from high school to later yrs. So imagine now in 50's, 60's, still comparing who gets what? While you actually paid? That's the lamest shit that goes on in here. It's like a bunch of earth worms trying a basketball dunking contest and few thinks they got game cause they're more shiny -- like just go lay down somewhere, and be happy you're alive you worms LOL. Seriously.

I swear I have a blind and crippled squirrel from my backyard that can pick up the same putas you all pick up in el centro. No it wasnt your game, your eye color, and HELL NO she didn't think your fat belly means you eat good and that made you attractive LOL. It was your money. Again a near death ill rabbit can do the same LOL. Just stop it.

Let the fuckery continue.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

Everyone is an expert here.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]I have to agree that all this bitching about who pays too much or too little doesn't help anyone. I didn't know it but I guess I'm one of the two week millionaire haha (wish I was in real life too but I'm not) .

Though I fail to see what it matters to anyone if I pay my girls an extra 50 k or 100 k if I feel like it. I have been to centro once on my first visit and only because Jjbee62 was cool enough to give me tour of the city. Never been to a casa either, and even though I have been to LLeras I have never pulled the trigger on any girl there. I exclusively use FB and insta or girls recommended by the girls I already know. So I don't believe that what I pay affects anyone that doesn't use FB or insta. And in the very unlikely chance that it does somehow, I'm sorry but I don't really care a whole lot.

My vacation time is very limited during the year. I can go maybe 3 or 4 times a year if I'm luck and only for about a week or two at a time. So when I go down there I'm not worried about spending and extra 10 or 20 bucks on girl I want to see, when I want to see her. Money I have, time is another matter.

I maybe a pendejo but not one that has any problems getting the girls I see to drop everything they are doing and coming to see me ASAP when I'm in town. I don't get ignored or blown off like crazy like some of my buddies that try to be more frugal when they visit.

Yes I spend more money than my buddies but an extra 500 dollars every few months is not going to lose me any sleep. I know some can't afford to pay extra and that's fine. Some can but don't want to and that's fine too. I can't afford a million dollar house in CA so I got a cheaper one somewhere else.

There are thousands of hot girls that will see you for your price, maybe not the 20 or so that I see on the regular but I don't think anyone's bed will be empty on my account.

If the girls are quoting you higher prices than you want to pay, find other ones that won't. Real simple.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254].

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

[/QUOTE]Can't you see the irony in the comment?

First of all, you assume we're on vacation. Wow so you're budgeting for a 7 day trip maybe and assuming we don't need to spend 30 days per month, 365 days a year, because we actually LIVE here. Changes things a bit, huh?

Second of all, you call us cheap. This assumes that someone who moved or retired in a country with a very comfortable budget wasn't rational to have done so. Rather, he should have instead moved to Colombia but budgeted for America just so he could meet your expectations of "not being cheap".

And finally, would it not be a fair response to say, that since you're not at all price sensitive, why can't you just "stay the fuck home and pay high prices you don't mind instead of screwing us over"?

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752394]...getting the girls I see to drop everything they are doing and coming to see me ASAP when I'm in town...[/QUOTE]You have good experience so I guess that is why you feel the way you do. That does not happen to everyone. You don't think money corrupt people? And I have similar observation with Ted.

[QUOTE=TedFerguson;2751953]...provided them with gifts in excess of a casual relationship. This was consistently an error. Instead of reciprocating, they felt more financially comfortable to spend more time with their friends......[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752394].... I can't afford a million dollar house in CA so I got a cheaper one somewhere else.....[/QUOTE]Have you thought about why?

Mr E said this place in El Centro RLD has the best fried chicken. I agree with him. If my best friend were with me here, he wouldn't eat it because it is in a dump. LOL. Most people probably won't have a chance to try it because it comes out late at night and deep in RLD. The other one is from a Michelin starred restaurant that usually requires advanced reservation, and the tasting menu takes about 2 hours to eat. It is good but I don't think it is better than the friend chicken as far as the enjoyment I got out of it goes. I also don't like someone explaining every dish to me when I dine alone. I can dress however I want when I have the friend chicken, but not so when I go to the Michelin starred restaurant. Talking about memory, standing waiting for the hot fried chicken to be ready in a cold raining night with my umbrella in a sleezy RLD in a foreign country is very memorable in my book 😁.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2752077]... I do not need a different ho every night or even every week. ....[/QUOTE]What I mean is you can't expect to find girl in El Centro that looks like the top girls you find elsewhere. My experience is that top girls are hard to find, and top girl that provide the best sex is even harder. I don't think you can get it easily no matter where you go. I think you have lower standard than me if you can do it because I looked everywhere including El Centro. LOL, it's a joke.

I was in Sao Paulo last month. I ended up repeating with only 2 girls several times because they are the hottest based on my taste and I want to make sure I don't miss anything, but they don't provide the best sex. My WhatsApp blew up after I left, and this is from someone who is out of my league otherwise. Then she attempted to contact me thru her second WhatsApp because I ignored her on her first WhatsAPp number. I got more satisfaction out of ignoring her than to have sex with her LOL. But now I know I have some leverage over her so next time I am going to get more out of her. Haha. These are college girls, and new. I know they are new because I frequent Scandallo enough. One works for a modeling agency. One night the models are out in force and it was pretty spectacular now I think about it. I was trying to infiltrate thru her to get to other so called models but wasn't successful. I guess the girl wants to keep me for herself, similar to many mongers keeping hot girls to themselves.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2752077].... If they absolutely NEED makeup, nada! I am aware there are guys who try to bang as many as they can. A lot of them here, they don't know what they are missing.[/QUOTE]I guess you have bias so that is how you read it. What I am suggesting is that you need to compare raw appearance, like the appearance of all girls that just got out of bed. When I say bad makeup, I mean it does not mean they are ugly just because they look like clown with makeup. My post is about just by look alone, it does not mean the sex will be great.

Unless you know the mongers personally, I don't think you know they miss anything. I like to have more choices personally.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752202]Define "a good number. " What percentage of prostitutes in Colombia have a US visa, own a car and manage banks, or own successful businesses?

I'll do you one better. My 1 regular has a US visa, has a car and her family owns property in Envigado, Medellin and Guatape. Both her and her sister have traveled often, although not yet to Europe. She spent much of the summer with me in the US and I've never paid her for sex (which would be much cheaper).

But those aren't typical Colombian prostitutes. Those are middle class girls who understand the advantages of fucking gringos. The typical hooker isn't from an estrato 4 neighborhood, estrato 2 at best. They own very little and live poorly.

Go out and find a girl working the street in El Centro, or in one of the casas who has a car, US visa and lives in a middle class neighborhood.[/QUOTE]Congrats to you JjBee! . worth every minute, peso or dollar you invest looking for them. Not (of course) in El Centro or anywhere walking the streets. But they DO exist. I have found some in Malls, some in SA and you never know where. I lost one because I mentioned money. I was so stupid in those days God bless Colombia.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752394]I have to agree that all this bitching about who pays too much or too little doesn't help anyone. I didn't know it but I guess I'm one of the two week millionaire haha (wish I was in real life too but I'm not) .

Though I fail to see what it matters to anyone if I pay my girls an extra 50 k or 100 k if I feel like it. I have been to centro once on my first visit and only because Jjbee62 was cool enough to give me tour of the city. Never been to a casa either, and even though I have been to LLeras I have never pulled the trigger on any girl there. I exclusively use FB and insta or girls recommended by the girls I already know. So I don't believe that what I pay affects anyone that doesn't use FB or insta. And in the very unlikely chance that it does somehow, I'm sorry but I don't really care a whole lot.

My vacation time is very limited during the year. I can go maybe 3 or 4 times a year if I'm luck and only for about a week or two at a time. So when I go down there I'm not worried about spending and extra 10 or 20 bucks on girl I want to see, when I want to see her. Money I have, time is another matter.

I maybe a pendejo but not one that has any problems getting the girls I see to drop everything they are doing and coming to see me ASAP when I'm in town. I don't get ignored or blown off like crazy like some of my buddies that try to be more frugal when they visit.

Yes I spend more money than my buddies but an extra 500 dollars every few months is not going to lose me any sleep. I know some can't afford to pay extra and that's fine. Some can but don't want to and that's fine too. I can't afford a million dollar house in CA so I got a cheaper one somewhere else.

There are thousands of hot girls that will see you for your price, maybe not the 20 or so that I see on the regular but I don't think anyone's bed will be empty on my account.

If the girls are quoting you higher prices than you want to pay, find other ones that won't. Real simple.[/QUOTE]I feel the same way you do. I have a limited amount of vacation time and I want to try to enjoy myself the best I can during my vacation. An extra 10 to 20 dollars to see the girls that I want doesn't really matter that much on a short vacation if you take into consideration the cost of the airfare and hotels for the trip. I am visiting Medellin and I am going to try to have a good time. I am going to do it my way and pay what I want. As for ex pats who complain about the prices we pay, that's their right but I also have a right to do what I want.

Who has the better girls now - Energy or New Life?

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752252]I have been to Medellin every month since I turned 60 years in 2021.

I will be there on the 18th.

For some of you Americans and Europeans you are from first countries visiting a third world country to fuck third world putas.

And here you you talking about women have visas to travel.

Most people from third world countries that have visas do not return to their countries.

So I say it's bullshit that some guys are banging chick's that travel.

A lot of liars are here on the board.

That's why if I have to do a report here I will not.

It's you paid too much.

I spend my money how I want to.

I live in Guyana it's third world.

I travel every month to Canada for 2 days the to Medellin for 4 or 5 days.

Colombia is so fucking cheap.

I like to drink and party on LA 70.

I have a ton of local girls that's strata 3 and 4.

I treat them like people they like to drink Baileys.

It only 110 mil pesos. Thats only another 28 dollars.

Everything here is about their girls are lawyers, doctors from very rich families.

Did they take these gringos to meet parents and spend time at their homes.

The real loosers here are you first world countries Boys. No one forced you to go to Colombia.

But complains about their systems.

Oh their late. Or Immigration takes to long.

Well just fucking stay home and you get all the first treatment you whiners.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]We all bounce differently. I can only speak for myself. I hate being ripped off. If a bowl of rice costs $30 in the US and a similar bowl of rice costs $10 in China and a guy in China tries to sell me that bowl of rice for $15, I will be angry because he's trying to rip me off. I will not say that its ok because in the US it costs $30. But that's just me.
With providers its a little more fluid. I always pay the going rate for chicas but if the girl gives me exceptional service I give her a propina.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2752488]We all bounce differently. I can only speak for myself. I hate being ripped off. If a bowl of rice costs $30 in the US and a similar bowl of rice costs $10 in China and a guy in China tries to sell me that bowl of rice for $15, I will be angry because he's trying to rip me off. I will not say that its ok because in the US it costs $30. But that's just me.
With providers its a little more fluid. I always pay the going rate for chicas but if the girl gives me exceptional service I give her a propina.[/QUOTE]Totally relate to this. If guy's think it's problematic at times when the Chica's in Colombia try to gouge guys, try mongering in South Korea. After I was refused entry in many places in Seoul, or told I had to pay a 10% surcharge, I didn't even waste my time there except being a tourist. I was fucking very angry about what I encountered there, and I believe many share the same sentiments when someone is trying to rip you off regardless of where your are in the World.

Safe and comfortable setting with a provider who fulfills commitments as agreed at a fair price. Highly valuable.

Reliable session access with no loss of personal time waiting and hoping. PRICELESS.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2752341]After some trouble scheduling with FB Chicas, I decided to go with my tried and true, mileroticos. She was very responsive with texting and I headed over to her place near the Estadio metro after taking a quick shower. She met me outside at the entrance. She is a taller and curvier girl but by no means fat. There are two other girls living in the apartment but they aren't remotely as attractive, more of the stuff you would see in centro. She insists that I pay before the service which I am ok with because she has positive reviews online. We start with some pecks and groping after which she cleans off my dick to do OWO. After a bit we move to cowgirl. Cowgirl is a bit difficult since she is a bit bigger and the condom ends up getting stuck inside her. We switch to a new condom and do some missionary and doggystyle. I am about to cum and tell her I want CIM. She moves to give me more OWO. I am not someone who cums easily through oral but to her credit she stayed at it for almost 10 minutes until I came. She sucked me dry and went to the shower to clean up as I dressed up. She had a very good attitude throughout which I was happy with. She also does just about anything for a price (anal, trios, TLN). Total damage 160 (130 for the hour, 30 for CIM).

Her link if anyone is interested: https: co. Mileroticos. Com / escorts / andrea-joven-paisa-con-el-mejor-servicio-dejate-seducirte-por-mis-encantos /23674834/.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752299]Ah. So we're supposed to be fucking hookers in order to earn their respect? I wish someone would have explained that to me 42 years ago. All this time I've been thinking I was fucking them because I wanted pussy and didn't want to work to get it.

Can you tell me how much that respect is worth? If I'm trying to buy a house, can I put down "Respected by Colombian Hookers" as an asset? What section of my resume should that go under? Can it at least get me a 10% discount at Denny's?

Yep, the girls all talk to each other. And do you know what they do after they find out some white gringo paid one of them more than they usually get? They message the guy and try to get in on the action. Know what they do when they learn about a guy who pays the minimum and expects the maximum? They message the guys who pay more.

This might be news to you. Girls who are selling pussy aren't doing it to find guys they can respect. They're doing it to get paid. If they can get paid more for the same job, they aren't turning it down because they'd rather respect some stranger than have money. The respect has a lot more to do with how you treat them.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and pay more. Pay whatever you're comfortable with that gets you what you want. However, if you're sitting alone because you're worried that paying more than someone else will lose you the respect of prostitutes, you might want to skip the mongering.[/QUOTE]You said what I wanted to say but far more eloquently than I ever could. I don't go to Colombia to make friends even though I have made several. I certainly don't go there because I want to get respect from prostitutes even though I treat them all with respect. I go to get laid by 9's and 10's (my opinion only) for what I consider a cheap price.

I don't care if they respect me, or even if they like me one bit as long as they can fake it well enough when they visit haha.

If me spending an extra few bucks on a dozen girls a few times a year ruins someones retirement plans, than I'm sorry but you have other problems in your life to deal with.

No one here is screwing anyone over by paying what they are happy paying. There are literally tens of thousands if not more girls selling their pussy in Medellin alone. So don't be so dramatic, calm down. You will always be able to get pussy for the price you want to pay.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2752500]Safe and comfortable setting with a provider who fulfills commitments as agreed at a fair price. Highly valuable.

Reliable session access with no loss of personal time waiting and hoping. PRICELESS.[/QUOTE]Amen brother. Time is the one thing I don't have enough of when I go to Colombia. Finding girls that show up on time every time is hard but once you do is priceless!

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2752406]Can't you see the irony in the comment?

First of all, you assume we're on vacation. Wow so you're budgeting for a 7 day trip maybe and assuming we don't need to spend 30 days per month, 365 days a year, because we actually LIVE here. Changes things a bit, huh?

Second of all, you call us cheap. This assumes that someone who moved or retired in a country with a very comfortable budget wasn't rational to have done so. Rather, he should have instead moved to Colombia but budgeted for America just so he could meet your expectations of "not being cheap".

And finally, would it not be a fair response to say, that since you're not at all price sensitive, why can't you just "stay the fuck home and pay high prices you don't mind instead of screwing us over"?[/QUOTE]Prior to the Pandemic, and before the flood of all the new mongers in Medellin when literally all other mongering destinations were closed, like SEA, mongering in Medellin since the Pandemic has increased exponentially, and hence the divide between the guys who have be coming down here for years and either live here or those that spend a lot of time here versus all the newbie mongers here which I think now outnumber the amount of posters from before the Pandemic.

As much as I don't like some of the posts on this subject, I understand the mindset of the guys who only have a few weeks of vacation wanting to get in as much banging as possible and because things are so cheap here it's like chump change to pay more.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752416]You have good experience so I guess that is why you feel the way you do. That does not happen to everyone. You don't think money corrupt people? And I have similar observation with Ted.



Have you thought about why?[/QUOTE]I have had bad experiences like everyone else here. It has taken trail and error to get to where I am right now.

A lot of wasted time and money too. However finding and keeping the high quality girls I have now as my regulars would not have happened as quickly or as easily as it did if I was insisting on paying rock bottom prices.

Could I have found equally good and hot girls for a lower price? Yeah probably, but it would have been a much longer and harder road for me to follow. And I have said before, I don't live down there and can't go for moths at a time either so I don't have the time to invest like that. So paying a little more so save me time and grieve is something I'm happy to do.

[QUOTE=Parasitius;2752406]Can't you see the irony in the comment?

First of all, you assume we're on vacation. Wow so you're budgeting for a 7 day trip maybe and assuming we don't need to spend 30 days per month, 365 days a year, because we actually LIVE here. Changes things a bit, huh?

Second of all, you call us cheap. This assumes that someone who moved or retired in a country with a very comfortable budget wasn't rational to have done so. Rather, he should have instead moved to Colombia but budgeted for America just so he could meet your expectations of "not being cheap".

And finally, would it not be a fair response to say, that since you're not at all price sensitive, why can't you just "stay the fuck home and pay high prices you don't mind instead of screwing us over"?[/QUOTE]I'm not trying to pick a fight here BUT no it doesn't change a thing for me. The guys that live in Colombia have multiple of opportunities and advantages that guys on vacation don't. You can invest the time and effort to find quality girls that will be with you for a cheaper price. You get more familiar with the city and culture too. I don't have that time when I'm there for a week or two.

No I'm never going to call some one cheap. You SHOULD pay only what you are happy to pay or it ruins the game at least for me.

But we are playing on different fields is what I'm getting at. And those that use FB or Isnta or even SA are most likely not seeing the same girls that guys that only do centro or casas. So I don't believe the prices would go up on that account. Prices might definitely be going up, but it could be more because prices for EVERYTHING is going up. And less because a few guys pay a few girls a few more pesos to meet up.

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752508]You said what I wanted to say but far more eloquently than I ever could. I don't go to Colombia to make friends even though I have made several. I certainly don't go there because I want to get respect from prostitutes even though I treat them all with respect. I go to get laid by 9's and 10's (my opinion only) for what I consider a cheap price.

I don't care if they respect me, or even if they like me one bit as long as they can fake it well enough when they visit haha.

If me spending an extra few bucks on a dozen girls a few times a year ruins someones retirement plans, than I'm sorry but you have other problems in your life to deal with.

No one here is screwing anyone over by paying what they are happy paying. There are literally tens of thousands if not more girls selling their pussy in Medellin alone. So don't be so dramatic, calm down. You will always be able to get pussy for the price you want to pay.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right, of course. Your money, your choice as to how you wish to spend it.

There are always people on here wretching about how paying a few extra pesos will ruin the scene in Colombia. But these are usually guys who are minimum wage earners who have a shoe-string budget when they come here to visit. They are terrified that it might cost them a few dollars more if girls charge a higher price.

Some of the arguments are laughable. The girls won't respect you. Seriously? How many times has a girl said, "Well, I won't see you because you are a fool and pay too much and I don't respect you"?

Yeah, you guessed it. In the three years I've lived here, I've heard that all of -0- times. Girls do, however, talk among themselves but usually to protect each other. I. e. This guy is rough, that one has bad hygiene, another one is cheap, that one likes anal. And on and on. That is what most of the girls share between themselves. I've also had girls refer their friends to me after we've seen each other a few times and the sparkle has faded.

In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2752488]We all bounce differently. I can only speak for myself. I hate being ripped off. If a bowl of rice costs $30 in the US and a similar bowl of rice costs $10 in China and a guy in China tries to sell me that bowl of rice for $15, I will be angry because he's trying to rip me off. I will not say that its ok because in the US it costs $30. But that's just me.
With providers its a little more fluid. I always pay the going rate for chicas but if the girl gives me exceptional service I give her a propina.[/QUOTE]I understand up to the point where you get mad. Why get mad about it? The guy selling rice (and pretty sure you'll need a bucket for $10 worth of rice) is either following the boss's orders or trying to make a little extra money. You laugh it off, tell him you don't want that much rice just the $10 bucket. Or you tell them the price is too high and go next door. I don't imagine it's difficult to find someone selling rice in China.

And why get mad at the rice seller, or pussy seller? Chances are they're someone who has never had financial security, they've never had leisure time or the finer things in life. They struggle from one day to the next with no real hope of climbing out of the hole they were born in. That doesn't mean to just throw money at them, but at least recognize they're just trying to get a piece of the pie.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.[/QUOTE]Real talk, my last day there couple weeks back I bought a fancy pear from the supermarket, you know, all wrapped up, clean, well packaged. Then I got back to the hotel, cut it in slices to find out it was hard, dry, not that sweet, and colorless. The pear even had to audacity to just lay there to rest a while, since it was too moist from being emerged in too much water few hours ago that evening at the shop. The stores does that to fool shoppers. So I rested too and still indulged as I had to catch a flight. But I did wish I bought a ripe one from the street vendor for 1/10 of the price as usual, I was also too lazy to visit the free farm. It was so not worth it. I ended up deleting the market's address from my GPS so I don't accidently go there anymore.

I have come to really enjoy red grapes. Not so much the green ones, but they are ok.

When in Colombia, I eat the local Colombian grapes. When in the US, I eat the local American grapes. And when in Rome, I do as the Romans.

Grapes are delicious.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

So shut the fuck up about what locals make.

You guys are really cheap.

Can't you guys just enjoy your vacation.

Everyone is an expert here.

Sureman.[/QUOTE]Can't agree more! Yea maybe the average salary is a 1 million cop per month but the iPhones, bags, makeup, etc costs the same.

And honestly, who is anyone to say how much a girl wants to sell her body for??

Bottom line is even guys who can afford 1 k usd an hour escorts come to Colombia cause the girls are simply hotter. Even escorts who charge 500-1000 an hour in the us have nothing on the Colombian women.

The washed up 30-40 year old Colombians are getting 300-500 usd an hour here.

Everyone has their own way of doing things.

Whether on a budget or not everyone has a right to do things THIER WAY!!

But to blame others is simply being bitter.

I think a lot of guys can't handle seeing these "third world putas" going on expensive trips, drinking bottles they can't afford, having phones that are more current than theirs.

I say stop bashing others or acting like you're better than them and share useful info.

Will be in Medellin Oct. 12-26. I am interested in grabbing a drink with fellow ISG members. This will be my second trip.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752616]Can't agree more! ....[/QUOTE]JW posted a reminder which is what SureMan replied to.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752129]...Spend what you like, but remember what locals pay![/QUOTE]Based on JW's post. It is actually around 30 minutes, not 8 hour, so the number is greatly exaggerated.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752254]In America they make about 100 dollars per day.

But do you pay 100 for 8 hours with a escorts in America.

....[/QUOTE]It is misleading to determine income by hourly rate. The monthly or daily income should be used. If the girls are making that kind of money based on the hourly rate. They would be set for life within a year by buying as many properties as they can to use as rental. That is what I saw in Asia but I don't know if the girls in Colombia are that smart or not.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. ....[/QUOTE]That is my favorite topic. I know a thing or two about mangos. LOL. It is not in season now so it is more difficult to get the red ones in Exito but you can still easily get them in mom and pop places and in El Centro. I think that is what you mean by local.

I don't know about quality in general but my personal observation is that the ones in Exito appear much better looking. They are more refined and polished with less visible flaws. What you find in El Centro often look weathered, and older. It is easier to find the yellow bananas that are younger and green in Exito. The one in El Centro are more mature and don't look as good. At the end of the day, when you take everything off, inside is the same and the ones in El Centro are far cheaper.

I guess "respect" is the wrong word. Mainly I was talking about the guy that wanted to buy a hoe an iPhone. I've been mongering for years in Latin America, and two rice countries. I've made mistakes and learned from the best members of this board and they have taught me always pay the local price. Maybe a minimal gringo tax. To me, Colombia is the best from the price and looks perspective. I'm just not feeling MDE anymore. People are so stuck on MDE that they don't even care to venture out into the city where they land.

You eat at Denny's Bro? That's nasty!!

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752299]Ah. So we're supposed to be fucking hookers in order to earn their respect? I wish someone would have explained that to me 42 years ago. All this time I've been thinking I was fucking them because I wanted pussy and didn't want to work to get it.

Can you tell me how much that respect is worth? If I'm trying to buy a house, can I put down "Respected by Colombian Hookers" as an asset? What section of my resume should that go under? Can it at least get me a 10% discount at Denny's?

Yep, the girls all talk to each other. And do you know what they do after they find out some white gringo paid one of them more than they usually get? They message the guy and try to get in on the action. Know what they do when they learn about a guy who pays the minimum and expects the maximum? They message the guys who pay more.

This might be news to you. Girls who are selling pussy aren't doing it to find guys they can respect. They're doing it to get paid. If they can get paid more for the same job, they aren't turning it down because they'd rather respect some stranger than have money. The respect has a lot more to do with how you treat them.

Now I'm not suggesting anyone should go out and pay more. Pay whatever you're comfortable with that gets you what you want. However, if you're sitting alone because you're worried that paying more than someone else will lose you the respect of prostitutes, you might want to skip the mongering.[/QUOTE]

The guys that live in Colombia get all the deals!

[QUOTE=BootyBandit84;2752523]I'm not trying to pick a fight here BUT no it doesn't change a thing for me. The guys that live in Colombia have multiple of opportunities and advantages that guys on vacation don't. You can invest the time and effort to find quality girls that will be with you for a cheaper price. You get more familiar with the city and culture too. I don't have that time when I'm there for a week or two.

No I'm never going to call some one cheap. You SHOULD pay only what you are happy to pay or it ruins the game at least for me.

But we are playing on different fields is what I'm getting at. And those that use FB or Isnta or even SA are most likely not seeing the same girls that guys that only do centro or casas. So I don't believe the prices would go up on that account. Prices might definitely be going up, but it could be more because prices for EVERYTHING is going up. And less because a few guys pay a few girls a few more pesos to meet up.[/QUOTE]

Sneaky racist? I voted for Obama and I hate Clarence Thomas. MDE hoes don't have preferences they care about who pays the most with the least amount of time and effort. Unless of course you live there.

I get racially profiled too mah! I'm walking down Beach Road with my boy (a ISG member) and these Indian cats come up to me and start talking to me in their native tongue. I'm like bro, I ain't Indian. My boy busted out laughing. Shit was funny. I'm like, do Thai girls think I'm Indian?

Anyway, lets go to Nairobi. Land of the free GFE. My other boy highly recommends it.

[QUOTE=MaddTraveler;2752349]Once in a while I see these sneaky racist posts and I'm not sure why admin allows them. Racists always want others to be racists. So I guess you've fucked 99% of the Millions of girls in medellin and you know what they ALL prefer, you're part of their clubs. Cause I'm sure you wouldn't dare posting this just cause you've chatted with 2 or 3 chicken heads or street rats and suddenly you assume they speak for millions. Man, a I guess an occasional good pussy make some of us sing songs, see colors and everything eh!!

So don't be a pussy, say what you want to say, say the race you want to call out or what you think you know or just stfu. This shouldn't even be a topic you partake w putas. Putas will tell gringo 1/ race1 that he's her favorite, he'll meet gringo 2/ race 2 and say the same. We all know this game. Even even if. Or if and only if racism and discrimination exists between wg / pornstars, etc. This still aint the place or hint or to bring it up. Drop that silly superiority complex. You're paying for pussy like everyone else w your "preferred race".[/QUOTE]

Why buy the Mangos, when you get the papaya for free? Inside Colombian joke. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752646]That is my favorite topic. I know a thing or two about mangos. LOL. It is not in season now so it is more difficult to get the red ones in Exito but you can still easily get them in


mom and pop places and in El Centro. I think that is what you mean by local.

I don't know about quality in general but my personal observation is that the ones in Exito appear much better looking. They are more refined and polished with less visible flaws. What you find in El Centro often look weathered, and older. It is easier to find the yellow bananas that are younger and green in Exito. The one in El Centro are more mature and don't look as good. At the end of the day, when you take everything off, inside is the same and the ones in El Centro are far cheaper.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.[/QUOTE]MDE has the best mangoes and yet I have never seen a mango tree there. Three months in Barranquilla I saw around 50 mango trees in peoples yards while walking around. Even mentioned in a write up 3 years ago because it surprised me.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752666]I guess "respect" is the wrong word. Mainly I was talking about the guy that wanted to buy a hoe an iPhone. I've been mongering for years in Latin America, and two rice countries. I've made mistakes and learned from the best members of this board and they have taught me always pay the local price. Maybe a minimal gringo tax. To me, Colombia is the best from the price and looks perspective. I'm just not feeling MDE anymore. People are so stuck on MDE that they don't even care to venture out into the city where they land.

You eat at Denny's Bro? That's nasty!![/QUOTE]The best members of this board have told me I should go to the casas and they've told me to avoid the casas. They've told me the place to be is El Centro or Poblado and they've told me I should stay away from El Centro or Poblado. Just about everything I've been told 2 different roads I should take.

At the end of the day every here is limited by their preference, prejudice and perception. For the new guys it's good to have the guidance, but it's also important to find the right guide. That's why I frequently ask for more information from new members.

Once you have some experience you need to adjust to fit your situation. That might mean paying a little more or less. I will let you in on another secret. Most of the guys saying to never do something are occasionally guilty of doing that exact thing.

I'm not suggesting you throw money, but there are times when a few dollars more can turn your night around.

When it comes to buying a $1000 phone for a complete stranger, no. Unless you're Oprah, giving away Cadillacs, no.

Someone asked how much is a mango so I answer here. Most of the fruits sold in El Centro are by piece, by bag or by pile, not by weight, unless you go into the local outdoor market where they have scale, then it maybe by weight. These two guys are less than 5 mils, could be 3 mils. It is so confusing because everything is about the same price so I don't remember the exact price. LOL. I have been waiting them to ripe in the bag for a few days. Two small avocados are in the corner so you get an idea of the size.

To be fair, I think the fruits that one gets at large super market chain are export quality so they look much nicer on the outside. Poor countries export the best to rich countries. Sometimes the locals don't even know the much better looking ones exist.

I think we should keep the price discussion going on both sides. It's important for information purpose and check and balance. It is possible that the poster is actually trying to be helpful when he says you overpay but I can understand the reaction.

About a year ago, I was paying about 100 USD in Sao Paulo club. Last month I was quoted 200 USD in the same club by the same girl. (The girls quoted me in BRL, I did the conversion for convenience, and the price is a little less than what I posted here) I fucked her before so I didn't plan to fuck her again even at 100 USD. But the other girl is an armature and is coming to Medellin to study Spanish so I planed to fuck her here for FB price. LOL. But I basically gave in to the 200 USD price when I met other girls that were my types and unique. There are more regulars that are less price sensitive by MDE standard in Sao Paulo so a person, and me, can be influenced to think the price is normal for a hot girl. It is not quite true in reality, and I won't get into it as it is still case by case. Keep in mind, I am already familiar with SP as I spent a few months there during my last trip.

I have this regular that I met in the club. Not only I didn't negotiate the price but I also tipped her about USD40 because we went over one hour which I rarely do. Usually I need only 40 minutes max. I saw her several times in my place after. The effect of the $40 tip basically raises my base price for all sessions. I already knew because we discussed it before she came over. So that is me overpaid in someway and affect the price I paid after. Will I tip again, probably but I will be less generous with tip amount and more generous with more sessions later. (In this club, there is no knock on the door. The room is about USD45/ HR. The cover now is USD100 and it was 80 last month).

If I overpaid 100USD a session, think about the money that you can save in this context if you have a session once a day for a month or 2 weeks. I know Medellin is not Sao Paulo but the context is similar except at higher price.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752760]Poor countries export the best to rich countries. Sometimes the locals don't even know the much better looking ones exist.[/QUOTE]Like beef in Brazil. My girlfriend's son worked at a slaughterhouse. He said all the good stuff they send to USA and Europe and all the bad stuff they keep in Brazil. For years I always wondered why the meat there was so horrible but people would swear it was the best thing going. Wasn't the best, just the best that they knew.

Anyone know a clean short term place in Laureles to bring chica. My joint does not allow chica without cedula and I want to fuck this chick so bad. Don't want to take her to dirty centro hotels.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752769]I think we should keep the price discussion going on both sides. [/QUOTE]I did. But you missed my mango allegory and for some unknown reason, you started chatting about mangos. Hehe.

[QUOTE=HappyShiva;2752822]Anyone know a clean short term place in Laureles to bring chica. My joint does not allow chica without cedula and I want to fuck this chick so bad. Don't want to take her to dirty centro hotels.[/QUOTE]Hotel Suites 44. Rooms are basic but clean.

Was at Rio Negro Airport yesterday and tried using the Scotia Bank / Colpatria ATM by entrance 4 on the departure level. I've been using this machine for at least two years and yesterday for the first time they showed a proposed conversion rate which was ridiculous with a 6% fee which I declined and then the transaction didn't go thru. I tried a second time and it didn't go thru. So I thought when declining you would be given whatever the market rate is.

I typically only make ATM with drawls from the ScotiaBank ATM at the EXITO in Poblado and have never seen a proposed conversion rate before on the transaction screens. I know a lot other Colombian banks are doing the conversion thing, however this is the first time I've seen it at ScotiaBank / Colpatria and I don't like it, it was almost like the bank was saying take what we are offering, or leave it as we won't be giving you the market rate.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752529]In Colombia you can buy mangos in many places. There is no reason to think that you can only buy them in MDE, noe that MDE has the best ones.

You can buy them on the street from small shops or street vendors, or you can buy from upmarket supermarkets like Carulla, Jumbo and Exito, hell you can even order them online and get home delivery.

But where will you get the best quality ones from, and what is 'quality'? Do you prefer big, juicy, sweet, cheap, soft, young? Different people prefer different mangos. And I prefer to buy my mangos from the street, becuase I think they are better value for money, and I want to support the local community. When I buy from the big supermarkets, I know I am paying for their costs, their profits, and therir (to me) meaningless brand.

Hell, several times I bought mangosteens that looked good from Jumbo and Carulla, only to get them home and find they were hard or rotten on the inside. That did it for me. Now I have no faith in paying a premium for the same fruit that I can buy locally.[/QUOTE]It sounds like you don't know how to tell a good mango from a bad mango, so you only buy the cheapest ones. You should try to learn what a well-ripened mango looks and feels like. It should be firm without blemishes on the skin. If you lightly squeeze one it shouldn't be hard or soft. Unless you're making juice or preserves, you want the mango to be at, or just before the peak of ripeness. After that age, they are sweeter, but sloppy and they tend to be clingy.

All those local vendors you're supporting are getting their mangos from the same place as the markets and grocery stores. The ones which end up on the street are the ones passed over by everyone else. That doesn't mean they are all bad, overripe, or not yet ripe. It just means finding the best mango is more difficult, because it's often surrounded by ones which you aren't interested in.

Not everyone has the time or energy to walk around El Centro looking for an acceptable mango. They can quickly go to a market where the mangos are all lined up, so they can easily find the mango which looks best to them. Or they can go online, where they can see thousands of mangos, see where they were grown and when they were first offered for sale.

Each way has benefits and drawbacks. No matter which way is right for you, best results are obtained by knowing how to select the right one.

[QUOTE=SureMan;2752252]I have been to Medellin every month since I turned 60 years in 2021.

I will be there on the 18th.

For some of you Americans and Europeans you are from first countries visiting a third world country to fuck third world putas.

And here you you talking about women have visas to travel.

Most people from third world countries that have visas do not return to their countries.

So I say it's bullshit that some guys are banging chick's that travel.

A lot of liars are here on the board.

That's why if I have to do a report here I will not.

It's you paid too much.

I spend my money how I want to.

I live in Guyana it's third world.

I travel every month to Canada for 2 days the to Medellin for 4 or 5 days.

Colombia is so fucking cheap.

I like to drink and party on LA 70.

I have a ton of local girls that's strata 3 and 4.[/QUOTE]You're double my age but I hope I don't become bitter like you when I can only get it up once a day.

I live in Colombia 6 months out of the year, and trust me, the girls who you spend just "110 k" for some baileys think you're a fool, and they talk about it after they pay 5 k for their own club Colombia when they're fucking their barrio boyfriend for free.

Trust me on this one dude.

And jjbee, to answer your question, yes, the daily wage matters, that's why girls 18-30 would rather make $150 on only fans or the streetwalker around college town makes 80-$100 in an hour instead of working $10 an hour in retail.

Paying any girl more than 100 k to fuck in Colombia is insanity. Just like paying any girl over $200 to fuck in the usa is insanity. Both double the daily wages.

I thought as you age you get wiser? A lot of old dudes here have no chill, no objectivity, and seem set in their ways.

That's why they're always the creepy ones in the flights and immigration lines, out of shape, balding / grey, but think they're badass because they fly to the third world and fuck some universitaria for 12 $ usd. With that creepy smile on their face as they're waiting to show their passports to the immigration officers.

And then you spend your life on these forums acting as some kind of authority, LOL. Congrats, great life.

And no offense to surfer, you're a legend.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2752760]Someone asked how much is a mango so I answer here. Most of the fruits sold in El Centro are by piece, by bag or by pile, not by weight, unless you go into the local outdoor market where they have scale, then it maybe by weight. These two guys are less than 5 mils, could be 3 mils. It is so confusing because everything is about the same price so I don't remember the exact price. LOL. I have been waiting them to ripe in the bag for a few days. Two small avocados are in the corner so you get an idea of the size.

To be fair, I think the fruits that one gets at large super market chain are export quality so they look much nicer on the outside. Poor countries export the best to rich countries. Sometimes the locals don't even know the much better looking ones exist.[/QUOTE]Are you sure that those where two small avocados in the bag next to the mangos, as it sure looks like a small frog to me. LOL.

As far as your observations about the fruits in the larger supermarkets, like EXITO, well I think it's more a presentation sales thing for the locals versus export. It's like when you get a watermelon from a street vendor, or a local market, it it may still have some dirt on it, where as in like an EXITO it may have been sprayed with something shiny kind of like a new car look.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752834]It sounds like you don't know how to tell a good mango from a bad mango, so you only buy the cheapest ones. You should try to learn what a well-ripened mango looks and feels like. It should be firm without blemishes on the skin. If you lightly squeeze one it shouldn't be hard or soft. Unless you're making juice or preserves, you want the mango to be at, or just before the peak of ripeness. After that age, they are sweeter, but sloppy and they tend to be clingy.

All those local vendors you're supporting are getting their mangos from the same place as the markets and grocery stores. The ones which end up on the street are the ones passed over by everyone else. That doesn't mean they are all bad, overripe, or not yet ripe. It just means finding the best mango is more difficult, because it's often surrounded by ones which you aren't interested in.

Not everyone has the time or energy to walk around El Centro looking for an acceptable mango. They can quickly go to a market where the mangos are all lined up, so they can easily find the mango which looks best to them. Or they can go online, where they can see thousands of mangos, see where they were grown and when they were first offered for sale.

Each way has benefits and drawbacks. No matter which way is right for you, best results are obtained by knowing how to select the right one.[/QUOTE]If you were just to delete "Mango " from your entire post, and replace it with "Chica" , it sounds like a guide in selecting Chicas from different mongering venues in town.

"Not everyone has the time or energy to walk around El Centro looking for an acceptable mango / chica, as an example.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2752847] think it's more a presentation sales thing for the locals versus export. It's like when you get a watermelon from a street vendor, or a local market, it it may still have some dirt on it, where as in like an EXITO it may have been sprayed with something shiny kind of like a new car look.[/QUOTE]That is the point. Now we are getting there! A natural looking mango bought locally, compared to an enhanced mango in a high end supermarket that you pay extra for. But underneath, its the same damn mango!

These "third world putas" will be at Daddy Yankee this weekend with seats that are being resold for 3-500 USD.

I think people here think Colombia is poorer than it actually is.

Just cause you read some numbers??

I think it comes down to your surroundings. Even an ugly girl tries to charge 200 usd in lleras.

But in centro she's worth 40 mil.

So if you pay 200 usd did you overpay?? No. Because most guys who pulled from lleras will have the same experience.

If you pay 200 usd in centro then yes that is what I consider fucking up the market.

But if your budget is low odds are you won't even see the top tier girls in medellin.

And they are out there but some guys refuse to believe this.

Instagram models, onlyfans models, webcam models. Etc etc. And even in those avenues there are the lesser attractive ones.

But how much do you think a top tier one would charge for a night??

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752841]You're double my age but I hope I don't become bitter like you when I can only get it up once a day.

I live in Colombia 6 months out of the year, and trust me, the girls who you spend just "110 k" for some baileys think you're a fool, and they talk about it after they pay 5 k for their own club Colombia when they're fucking their barrio boyfriend for free.

Trust me on this one dude.

And jjbee, to answer your question, yes, the daily wage matters, that's why girls 18-30 would rather make $150 on only fans or the streetwalker around college town makes 80-$100 in an hour instead of working $10 an hour in retail.

Paying any girl more than 100 k to fuck in Colombia is insanity. Just like paying any girl over $200 to fuck in the usa is insanity. Both double the daily wages.

I thought as you age you get wiser? A lot of old dudes here have no chill, no objectivity, and seem set in their ways.

That's why they're always the creepy ones in the flights and immigration lines, out of shape, balding / grey, but think they're badass because they fly to the third world and fuck some universitaria for 12 $ usd. With that creepy smile on their face as they're waiting to show their passports to the immigration officers.

And then you spend your life on these forums acting as some kind of authority, LOL. Congrats, great life.

And no offense to surfer, you're a legend.[/QUOTE]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752841]You're double my age but I hope I don't become bitter like you when I can only get it up once a day.

I live in Colombia 6 months out of the year, and trust me, the girls who you spend just "110 k" for some baileys think you're a fool, and they talk about it after they pay 5 k for their own club Colombia when they're fucking their barrio boyfriend for free.

Trust me on this one dude.

And jjbee, to answer your question, yes, the daily wage matters, that's why girls 18-30 would rather make $150 on only fans or the streetwalker around college town makes 80-$100 in an hour instead of working $10 an hour in retail.

Paying any girl more than 100 k to fuck in Colombia is insanity. Just like paying any girl over $200 to fuck in the usa is insanity. Both double the daily wages.

I thought as you age you get wiser? A lot of old dudes here have no chill, no objectivity, and seem set in their ways.

That's why they're always the creepy ones in the flights and immigration lines, out of shape, balding / grey, but think they're badass because they fly to the third world and fuck some universitaria for 12 $ usd. With that creepy smile on their face as they're waiting to show their passports to the immigration officers.

And then you spend your life on these forums acting as some kind of authority, LOL. Congrats, great life.

And no offense to surfer, you're a legend.[/QUOTE]Great post.

Encore Encore Encore!!

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752857]These "third world putas" will be at Daddy Yankee this weekend with seats that are being resold for 3-500 USD.
[/QUOTE]I doubt that many will be. Only the ones that have sponsors, and very small minority of others. Most spectators will be middle class Colombians and up. IMO.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752857]
But if your budget is low odds are you won't even see the top tier girls in medellin. Instagram models, onlyfans models, webcam models. Etc etc.
[/QUOTE]By Top Tier. I assume you mean high price? Then your comment makes perfect sense. However, I met a absolutely georgeous webcam model in Walking Street 3 days ago. She was a little pricey but I overlooked that bcos she was so sexy - 40 k.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752862]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.[/QUOTE]Don't you accept that some younger guys simply decided to opt out of the norm, the gender role that society places on us, and start paying for sex bcos it suited their values better? That's exactly what I did. I welcome you to sit me in a psycholgisits chair and try to confirm if I am telling the truth.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752870]Don't you accept that some younger guys simply decided to opt out of the norm, the gender role that society places on us, and start paying for sex bcos it suited their values better? That's exactly what I did. I welcome you to sit me in a psycholgisits chair and try to confirm if I am telling the truth.[/QUOTE]I see you young guys too. Mostly scrawny nerds who can't compete for normal women in the first world.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752871]I see you young guys too. Mostly scrawny nerds who can't compete for normal women in the first world.[/QUOTE]Various suggestions have been made of late for splitting this thread into separate forums. How about:

--One for sharing useful information and instructive or entertaining experiences in Paisa Pussyland;.

--and one (lets call it Ego-Tripping in Medellin) for making smug, snarky, judgmental comments about other Board Members.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752841]You're double my age but I hope I don't become bitter like you when I can only get it up once a day.

I live in Colombia 6 months out of the year, and trust me, the girls who you spend just "110 k" for some baileys think you're a fool, and they talk about it after they pay 5 k for their own club Colombia when they're fucking their barrio boyfriend for free.

Trust me on this one dude.

And jjbee, to answer your question, yes, the daily wage matters, that's why girls 18-30 would rather make $150 on only fans or the streetwalker around college town makes 80-$100 in an hour instead of working $10 an hour in retail.

Paying any girl more than 100 k to fuck in Colombia is insanity. Just like paying any girl over $200 to fuck in the usa is insanity. Both double the daily wages.

I thought as you age you get wiser? A lot of old dudes here have no chill, no objectivity, and seem set in their ways.

That's why they're always the creepy ones in the flights and immigration lines, out of shape, balding / grey, but think they're badass because they fly to the third world and fuck some universitaria for 12 $ usd. With that creepy smile on their face as they're waiting to show their passports to the immigration officers.

And then you spend your life on these forums acting as some kind of authority, LOL. Congrats, great life.

And no offense to surfer, you're a legend.[/QUOTE]Jonny started it don't blame me for responding.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752867]I doubt that many will be. Only the ones that have sponsors, and very small minority of others. Most spectators will be middle class Colombians and up. IMO.

By Top Tier. I assume you mean high price? Then your comment makes perfect sense. However, I met a absolutely georgeous webcam model in Walking Street 3 days ago. She was a little pricey but I overlooked that bcos she was so sexy - 40 k.[/QUOTE]Higher priced and most times just obviously better looking.

You'll be suprised how many of these girls will be going.

And this is the point I make about different surroundings.

If you go to centro or use fb and pull girls from dirt poor neighborhoods you're going to see one thing.

Then if you pull an IG model who lives in Envigado and goes out once in a while to make extra $$, there is a very clear difference.

I'm not here to judge anyones taste in women. As long as you're happy spending 40 mil or 4 million. It doesn't matter how one goes about their biz.

But it seems like the ones most stuck in their ways are the ones that think these girls shouldn't be paid etc etc. And meanwhile they are walking around with the newest iPhones and bags etc etc.

Higher price doesn't mean worst service.

And also when using the country's average income remember Colombia is a very very big country.

And while most parts are poor if you take only medellin and Bogota average income the number would probably be higher. I don't know exacts. But if you stay in poblado do you feel like you're in a third world country??

Bravo amigo. Well said.

[QUOTE=JohnnyWalker55;2752841]You're double my age but I hope I don't become bitter like you when I can only get it up once a day.

I live in Colombia 6 months out of the year, and trust me, the girls who you spend just "110 k" for some baileys think you're a fool, and they talk about it after they pay 5 k for their own club Colombia when they're fucking their barrio boyfriend for free.

Trust me on this one dude.

And jjbee, to answer your question, yes, the daily wage matters, that's why girls 18-30 would rather make $150 on only fans or the streetwalker around college town makes 80-$100 in an hour instead of working $10 an hour in retail.

Paying any girl more than 100 k to fuck in Colombia is insanity. Just like paying any girl over $200 to fuck in the usa is insanity. Both double the daily wages.

I thought as you age you get wiser? A lot of old dudes here have no chill, no objectivity, and seem set in their ways.

That's why they're always the creepy ones in the flights and immigration lines, out of shape, balding / grey, but think they're badass because they fly to the third world and fuck some universitaria for 12 $ usd. With that creepy smile on their face as they're waiting to show their passports to the immigration officers.

And then you spend your life on these forums acting as some kind of authority, LOL. Congrats, great life.

And no offense to surfer, you're a legend.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752862]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.[/QUOTE]Completely agreed. Young guys who think their something special or gods gift to these women because they make more money compared to other Colombians. Hahahah.

But meanwhile they ain't shit here in the states.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]Higher priced and most times just obviously better looking.

You'll be suprised how many of these girls will be going.
[/QUOTE]Both fallacious.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]
Then if you pull an IG model who lives in Envigado and goes out once in a while to make extra $$, there is a very clear difference.
[/QUOTE]The only clear difference you can guarantee is the amount of money remaining in your bank account after the date.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]

Higher price doesn't mean worst service.

[/QUOTE]Correct. On this we do agree. It simply means higher price. Nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752871]I see you young guys too. Mostly scrawny nerds who can't compete for normal women in the first world.[/QUOTE]I don't think you do. I didn't say I am young, I said I started young. I always could compete for women in the first world when I was younger. But I rejected it bcos I didn't want to play 'the game". I saw thru it all, how ridiculous it was. I didn't want a bitter and overweight wife, 2. 2 kids, a dog, an expensive car, and a mortgage, I refused to play that game anymore.

If you don't see that as a rational explanation, I pity you.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752884]Both fallacious.

The only clear difference you can guarantee is the amount of money remaining in your bank account after the date.

Correct. On this we do agree. It simply means higher price. Nothing more, nothing less.[/QUOTE]We have different views on what he consider attractive or hot.

But in MY eyes there's a clear difference from the average centro girl to the average high end girl.

And I'm sure centro has their diamonds but from my experiences it's like night and day.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752888]I don't think you do. I didn't say I am young, I said I started young. I always could compete for women in the first world when I was younger. But I rejected it bcos I didn't want to play 'the game". I saw thru it all, how ridiculous it was. I didn't want a bitter and overweight wife, 2. 2 kids, a dog, an expensive car, and a mortgage, I refused to play that game anymore.

If you don't see that as a rational explanation, I pity you.[/QUOTE]I was responding to Johnny's out of the blue attack on old guys. Nothing to do with you unless the shoe fits. And don't pity me. I live a great life in San Diego CA USA and have 2 hot 22 year old sugar babies in Tijuana who like to spend the night with me for cheap. No condoms and I'm down there every week.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752899] have 2 hot 22 year old sugar babies in Tijuana who like to spend the night with me for cheap. No condoms and I'm down there every week.[/QUOTE]How many Mexicans do they have, no condoms, on the other days of the week?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752899]And don't pity me. I live a great life in San Diego CA USA and have 2 hot 22 year old sugar babies in Tijuana who like to spend the night with me for cheap.[/QUOTE]Then I pity you for not seeing the light until at least 50 years.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752894]But in MY eyes there's a clear difference from the average centro girl to the average high end girl.

[/QUOTE]The only thing high or higher about your girls is the price. And where your mind is if you think it means anything else. Hehe.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]Higher priced and most times just obviously better looking.

You'll be suprised how many of these girls will be going.

And this is the point I make about different surroundings.

If you go to centro or use fb and pull girls from dirt poor neighborhoods you're going to see one thing.

Then if you pull an IG model who lives in Envigado and goes out once in a while to make extra $$, there is a very clear difference.

I'm not here to judge anyones taste in women. As long as you're happy spending 40 mil or 4 million. It doesn't matter how one goes about their biz.

But it seems like the ones most stuck in their ways are the ones that think these girls shouldn't be paid etc etc. And meanwhile they are walking around with the newest iPhones and bags etc etc.

Higher price doesn't mean worst service.

And also when using the country's average income remember Colombia is a very very big country.

And while most parts are poor if you take only medellin and Bogota average income the number would probably be higher. I don't know exacts. But if you stay in poblado do you feel like you're in a third world country??[/QUOTE]I would like to have a link of a couple of those Instagram models you mentioned, I want to see the level we are talking about. Because I have over 400 contacts on Facebook and they are all Colombian girls and all from Medellin. I add them daily. Some are gorgeous, the whole package, big ass (some with implants) and fake tits, lips, all done. Now, that costs money, it's not that surgery is cheap.

I read the colleague paid 40 k but I doubt he paid for one of these girls, because they do sell their videos for 20 k and they make video calls for 40 k. I suppose they will ask more for a fuck. Since I didn't speak with any of these girls (yet), I would like to know how much they ask. And I am not talking about the average looking but the most beautifuls.

Between my contacts I even have a Colombian singer from Medellin. She posts a lot of stories on Facebook, and she must be famous because in her videos she has a lot of fans, mostly kids.

There is a girl in Brazil who has 2 millions followers on TikTok. When I was in Sao Paulo (she is from another city), I tried to contact her twice and she didn't bother to answer. I don't think she makes any money on TikTok, but I imagine there is a queue of people who want to fuck her. So I guess she ain't cheap.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752894]We have different views on what he consider attractive or hot.

But in MY eyes there's a clear difference from the average centro girl to the average high end girl.

And I'm sure centro has their diamonds but from my experiences it's like night and day.[/QUOTE]It's doubtful that you've ever explored Centro based on what you've told us, as to the casas and strip clubs. You're stuck with the illusionary "high end" places like Gustos, Loutron, and La Isla, and maybe some Facebook. But these girls are all from the same handful of lower end barrios. Just ask them as most don't mind telling you. For your extra money you're sure to get more silicone overall but that's about it. There's plenty of great looking girls in the organized Centro venues if you take the time to explore, many of whom are fresh in from Venezuela.

P.S. If you want extra time, to chat and the like with a girl you have next to nothing in common with, or one that can prop up GFE fantasies you have going in your head, this can be had from girls who work in Centro casas and strip clubs. Just get their Whatapp and chat about an arrangement.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752862]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.[/QUOTE]The way I see it if its pathetic for a young guy to use P$P its pathetic for an old guy to do it. In my view I don't think paying for the services of a prostitute is pathetic at all as long as both sexes are consenting adults. She gets paid and he gets laid utilizing the worlds oldest contractual arrangement. I have observed for decades now that the only people who criticize prostitution are people who cannot partake whether because they have been mentally conditioned, are in the public eye or impotent.

Why'all hear about the dude that died. A sweet Georgia Cafe regular and a firefighter that's been missing since the 6th. Lived in Bello.

Fucked up!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2752830]Was at Rio Negro Airport yesterday and tried using the Scotia Bank / Colpatria ATM by entrance 4 on the departure level. I've been using this machine for at least two years and yesterday for the first time they showed a proposed conversion rate which was ridiculous with a 6% fee which I declined and then the transaction didn't go thru. I tried a second time and it didn't go thru. So I thought when declining you would be given whatever the market rate is.

I typically only make ATM with drawls from the ScotiaBank ATM at the EXITO in Poblado and have never seen a proposed conversion rate before on the transaction screens. I know a lot other Colombian banks are doing the conversion thing, however this is the first time I've seen it at ScotiaBank / Colpatria and I don't like it, it was almost like the bank was saying take what we are offering, or leave it as we won't be giving you the market rate.[/QUOTE]That's interesting because I always get asked to convert but always declined. I never get my transaction declined like you stated.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752862]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.[/QUOTE]I would also like to ask - How was your sex life when you were 49? And how did it change when you started paying fro sex when you hit the 50's? Did it improve when you started paying for it? In which case, don't you think it was you that was pathetic for not paying for it before?

My sex life certainly improved in my early 30's when I started paying for sex. No more BS gender / society games, pretending your interested in a girl, just so that you can get in to her kinckers, no more need to go to clubs, restaurants, pubs and go thru the chatting up ritual. My god, it was pathetic. But each to his own. I guess you enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752825]I did. But you missed my mango allegory and for some unknown reason, you started chatting about mangos. Hehe.[/QUOTE]You need to enlighten me. Hehe.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2752802]Like beef in Brazil...[/QUOTE]My friend never knew fruits could look so good until one day the government gave away the fruits for free when there was an import ban. There was an incident overseas that some of fruits was found to have been injected with poisonous substance by someone.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]...If you go to centro or use fb and pull girls from dirt poor neighborhoods you're going to see one thing....

But it seems like the ones most stuck in their ways are the ones that think these girls shouldn't be paid etc etc. And meanwhile they are walking around with the newest iPhones and bags etc etc.
...[/QUOTE]I think you need to clarify the context, and not just use price for comparison. I can tell you my observation. I have not seen any girl in El Centro or FB that is in college, not that it means anything, but clearly some prefer those so I am using it as an example. In that case, they are not stuck as they specifically talk about centro girls. They maybe stuck in that they don't want to pursue outside of that, but maybe not, what do they get out of it? It's like the mangos. If your purpose is only to eat it, then they are pretty much the same after you remove the outside layer. I can't tell the difference. Besides, pretty girls can be born anywhere in Medellin. You are looking for something that others don't. You will never get an agreement out of the discussion here.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]....But if you stay in poblado do you feel like you're in a third world country...[/QUOTE]It depends on how you look at it. There are very few nice cars, like BMW or Mercedes. It's a nice area but that is not the determine standard and it is still cheap even by Latin America standard.

[QUOTE=Sangnyc21;2752880]Higher priced and most times just obviously better looking.

You'll be suprised how many of these girls will be going.

And this is the point I make about different surroundings.

If you go to centro or use fb and pull girls from dirt poor neighborhoods you're going to see one thing.

Then if you pull an IG model who lives in Envigado and goes out once in a while to make extra $$, there is a very clear difference.

I'm not here to judge anyones taste in women. As long as you're happy spending 40 mil or 4 million. It doesn't matter how one goes about their biz.

But it seems like the ones most stuck in their ways are the ones that think these girls shouldn't be paid etc etc. And meanwhile they are walking around with the newest iPhones and bags etc etc.

Higher price doesn't mean worst service.

And also when using the country's average income remember Colombia is a very very big country.

And while most parts are poor if you take only medellin and Bogota average income the number would probably be higher. I don't know exacts. But if you stay in poblado do you feel like you're in a third world country??[/QUOTE]The average income is over 4 million pesos per month. Most people that throw out Colombian income are going from the Colombian minimum wage (and including the transportation subsidy).

However, neither number is particularly useful.

[QUOTE=Dcfan77;2752941]Why'all hear about the dude that died. A sweet Georgia Cafe regular and a firefighter that's been missing since the 6th. Lived in Bello.

Fucked up![/QUOTE]Yes. Heard about it, but he lived in Belen, not Bello. I didn't know he was a firefighter. Now I'll have to look at it again because I know a retired firefighter who would be about the right age.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2752830]Was at Rio Negro Airport yesterday and tried using the Scotia Bank / Colpatria ATM by entrance 4 on the departure level. I've been using this machine for at least two years and yesterday for the first time they showed a proposed conversion rate which was ridiculous with a 6% fee which I declined and then the transaction didn't go thru. I tried a second time and it didn't go thru. So I thought when declining you would be given whatever the market rate is.

I typically only make ATM with drawls from the ScotiaBank ATM at the EXITO in Poblado and have never seen a proposed conversion rate before on the transaction screens. I know a lot other Colombian banks are doing the conversion thing, however this is the first time I've seen it at ScotiaBank / Colpatria and I don't like it, it was almost like the bank was saying take what we are offering, or leave it as we won't be giving you the market rate.[/QUOTE]I think your transaction was declined due to some other reason besides not accepting the conversion rate. It could have been a number of issues as to why it was declined, it could have even been something not to do with your card like maybe the ATM didn't have enough cash left to dispense the amount you were trying to withdraw.

I know one day Davivienda was declining me for no apparent reason I could figure out but then I went to BBVA and my card worked fine. And the next day I went to Davivienda agn and it worked fine and has been ever since.

Usually if one ATM doesn't work just try another one.

-abacho.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752953]I would also like to ask - How was your sex life when you were 49? And how did it change when you started paying fro sex when you hit the 50's? Did it improve when you started paying for it? In which case, don't you think it was you that was pathetic for not paying for it before?

My sex life certainly improved in my early 30's when I started paying for sex. No more BS gender / society games, pretending your interested in a girl, just so that you can get in to her kinckers, no more need to go to clubs, restaurants, pubs and go thru the chatting up ritual. My god, it was pathetic. But each to his own. I guess you enjoyed it.[/QUOTE]To be honest, in my 30's and 40's I saw no reason to monger. I would on occasion pickup a hooker, but mostly out of boredom. Only 1 of them was worth the effort. Finding girls for sex wasn't difficult. No silly games, or other BS. Just chat a bit, meet and fuck. Sometimes I bought us dinner, sometimes they cooked for me. Often I was an afternoon booty call while the husband was at work. No, I don't feel guilty about that. I was doing the husbands a favor. If she's going to fuck around, better she does it with someone who won't give her a disease, knock her up, or try to break up the marriage.

Through much of my 40's I was in a committed relationship with a swinger, giving me the best of both worlds. On the weekends we'd go to a club and I usually fucked 2 or 3 different women (while their husbands fucked my girl), watched plenty of girl on girl, with participation before blowing my load in my girl. After we split, tried dating a few times but nothing special.

Then 1 night I met a girl at a bar for a date and she was hideous. Maybe 10 teeth and she was a chain smoker. Stopped dating right there. There had already been a few episodes when I realized I was no longer enjoying the women who were readily available to me.

Through most of my 50's I mongered, both locally and in Colombia, with one trip to the DR. The women who are readily available are young, fit and beautiful, plus I can afford it now. In my 30's paying for sex was a strain on the budget.

While the sex is often great, it's rarely the best sex of my life. I'm always aware that she's there for the money. She might like me, she might enjoy her time with me, but without the money it's not happening. Another factor is my age. It's hard to go at it the way I once did.

Now I have a girlfriend again. Yes, she's in it for the money, but it's not as obvious. It's not perfect. We get along quite well and sexually, if I'm willing to make the effort, I can rock her world. However, I'm not sure I want anything permanent. I enjoy my alone time and I'm not sure how long 1 girl is going to interest me.

For guys in their 20's and 30's who are only doing p4 p, I don't have a problem with it. In my opinion they are missing out on some of the best stuff in life, but maybe those things aren't of interest to them.

[QUOTE=Incrociatore;2752909]I would like to have a link of a couple of those Instagram models you mentioned....[/QUOTE]He posted one link. Look up his old post. But you don't really need to do it. If you just want to get an idea about their appearance, you can pretty much look up girls on IG from Medellin, and assume everyone is for sale at a price, just like many other countries.

A friend who spoke to an agency here told me you can get an exclusive catalog for high price hookers with a deposit, including some popular IG girls.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2752953]My sex life certainly improved in my early 30's when I started paying for sex. No more BS gender / society games, pretending your interested in a girl, just so that you can get in to her kinckers, no more need to go to clubs, restaurants, pubs and go thru the chatting up ritual. My god, it was pathetic. But each to his own. I guess you enjoyed it.[/QUOTE]It's interesting when and why guys become mongers. So many stories I've heard as to why, ranging from a divorce to becoming a widower and for other reasons. I started after being married for twenty years and divorcing and was around 50. I can relate to sex being a totally better as a monger. And if I knew what I know now, I probably would of never been married, as the thought of having sex with a woman your same age, and over and over again is just incomprehensible. The only thing I got out of being married was two great children, and other than for procreating, marriage seems like a total waste at least to me.

I will never forget the first time I went to the Hotel Del Rey in the CR over a decade ago when the place was full of Colombians, and guys would show up who where in the process of getting divorced and a few totally out of their minds with the torment of going thru a divorce and the Colombians would approach the guys, and boom with a Benjamin Franklin in hand, they would be upstairs, and some would be back down in less than 30 minutes, and the Colombians would be back downstairs with a Cheshire Cat look on their face while prowling for another guy down and out on their luck in the Del Rey.

And the stories of some of the widowers being married to the same women for over thirty years and had never had sex with a different woman. One widower told me he had never had oral sex with his wife, and probably only ever fucked her in missionary. Imagine guys like this all of a sudden getting exposed to everything under the sun as a monger.

It's all good as far as I'm concerned being a monger.

I love Jomtien in Thailand. Not as much party as in Pattaya but still some action in the evenings, you can go out solo, drink cheap, get a little drunk, have a lot of fun, play pool, watch sports, pick up a girl and go home. So I am planning to do this when visiting Colombia for the first time soon. I know a little Spanish so I was thinking about staying in Laureles instead of the reccomended newbie-destination Poblado. Poblado seem to be more expensive (Airbnb, Hotels, Bars, Food, Girls?) + it seem to be a lot of party for the younger crowd, I have grey hair and prefer a decent level of party:-the What do you think, does it work to go out solo and hang out with unknown people on bars if you are a solo gringo or will I just look like a fcking stranger? Better to stick to Poblado? Better to stay out of Colombia?

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753052]I love Jomtien in Thailand. Not as much party as in Pattaya but still some action in the evenings, you can go out solo, drink cheap, get a little drunk, have a lot of fun, play pool, watch sports, pick up a girl and go home. So I am planning to do this when visiting Colombia for the first time soon. I know a little Spanish so I was thinking about staying in Laureles instead of the reccomended newbie-destination Poblado. Poblado seem to be more expensive (Airbnb, Hotels, Bars, Food, Girls?) + it seem to be a lot of party for the younger crowd, I have grey hair and prefer a decent level of party:-the What do you think, does it work to go out solo and hang out with unknown people on bars if you are a solo gringo or will I just look like a fcking stranger? Better to stick to Poblado? Better to stay out of Colombia?[/QUOTE]Colombia isn't Thailand. What works in Thailand won't necessarily work in Colombia.

There are risks. The biggest risk is that someone might drug you and rob you. You might wake up feeling bad and missing your stuff, or they might find your body 2 weeks later.

How big of a risk depends on you. There are a few bars frequented by gringos were you will be safer.

Another issue is that Colombia doesn't have many bars where girls hang out waiting for customers. There are strip clubs and there are bars in El Centro where girls try to get you to buy overpriced drinks. There are a few other places where you can find a few girls working, but you might visit 10 bars before finding a girl.

These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.

Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.

Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.

Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.

Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.

Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.

Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.

Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare.

What you should pay is what works for you. Those prices are guidelines. Many girls will give a much higher price at first. Knowing what is standard will help you to keep it reasonable.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2752873]Various suggestions have been made of late for splitting this thread into separate forums. How about:

--One for sharing useful information and instructive or entertaining experiences in Paisa Pussyland;.

--and one (lets call it Ego-Tripping in Medellin) for making smug, snarky, judgmental comments about other Board Members.[/QUOTE]Nil thank you for being the voice of reason. I too would prefer information over personal attacks.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2752974]The average income is over 4 million pesos per month. Most people that throw out Colombian income are going from the Colombian minimum wage (and including the transportation subsidy).

However, neither number is particularly useful.[/QUOTE]I disagree. If a chick could make 4 million on a regular job then she probably would not be hoeing. I know one person's junk is another person's treasure, but if she is not worth 4 million on a regular job market where she would undergo more screening than I could possibly give, then she damn sure is not worth 4 million pesos to me.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2752830]Scotia Bank / Colpatria ATM. Yesterday for the first time they showed a proposed conversion rate which was ridiculous with a 6% fee which I declined and then the transaction didn't go thru. I tried a second time and it didn't go thru. [/QUOTE]I had the same thing happen (even though 2 years ago). I think it was BBVA. It cancelled my transaction as soon as I declined the conversion. Tried weeks later and same thing. The ATM cancelled my transaction and spit my card out.

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753052]I love Jomtien in Thailand. Not as much party as in Pattaya but still some action in the evenings, you can go out solo, drink cheap, get a little drunk, have a lot of fun, play pool, watch sports, pick up a girl and go home. So I am planning to do this when visiting Colombia for the first time soon. I know a little Spanish so I was thinking about staying in Laureles instead of the reccomended newbie-destination Poblado. Poblado seem to be more expensive (Airbnb, Hotels, Bars, Food, Girls?) + it seem to be a lot of party for the younger crowd, I have grey hair and prefer a decent level of party:-the What do you think, does it work to go out solo and hang out with unknown people on bars if you are a solo gringo or will I just look like a fcking stranger? Better to stick to Poblado? Better to stay out of Colombia?[/QUOTE]If you plan on going to Setenta be aware that very few people chill in the restaurants and bars alone so be prepared to take a nice young lady with you. There are gringo faces about and no one will care one way or the other in that area.

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753052]I love Jomtien in Thailand. Not as much party as in Pattaya but still some action in the evenings, you can go out solo, drink cheap, get a little drunk, have a lot of fun, play pool, watch sports, pick up a girl and go home. So I am planning to do this when visiting Colombia[/QUOTE]Where do you plan to pick up the girl from? Laureles is not Pattaya.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2752862]What is more pathetic are young guys with no game who have to live / travel to poor countries and use P4 P to get laid. I never had to buy pussy until I was in my 50's.[/QUOTE]I do not get the "not paying for it" part. One time there was a stripper who gave me her number after taking care of me in the club. After texting her, her BF calls me and says "she does not do that (sex for money) any more. " he was so upset and heartbroken then I did not say what I wanted to which was "Dude, when did she say that? Because 10 minutes ago, my dick was in her mouth."

I just wonder what illusion this guy was under while he was "not paying for it." Was he fixing her car? Babysitting her kid?

I was married to a woman with an amazing figure: large natural breasts and a 24 inch waist. So I guess I could say that I did not pay for her, but OTOH she was the most expensive pussy I ever had.

And I talked to guys in the 1970's free love era. They said fucking was like a handshake then. When I was in college, the AIDS bug hit and everyone was scared out of their mind that if they had sex, they would die. It is totally unfair to compare those eras.

And when I went to a strip club back in 2000 when the dot com boom was going on, the women were gorgeous, and the type I like, the spinner type, was available in abundance. I went to a club the other day, and there was one (one!) spinner type, and she was from Cuba. Half the strippers were fat.

And in the 2000 decade, you could get a fucking knockout escort for $200. Now $200 an hour gets you 300 pounds. I perused an escort directory a few months ago and found one I liked. She wanted $1000 for an hour. Hell, if my ex were 25 and in the market today, she would have shredded guys with ivy league degrees making seven figures fighting over her.

From where I sit looking at the USA market, guys going to Colombia (and Mexico) and paying for it are the smart ones. The only decent looking women in strip clubs (and most of society now) are Latinas and Asians and going to the source nets you huge discounts.

And I am not "paying for it" now, but just like with the wife, it would be a helluva lot cheaper if I were. So I could look down on guys who are paying for it now but why? They are paying less for it than I am.

That is what I was guessing, I was thinking to go out to pick up a lady, but if you need a lady to go out. 😂. I will do some Tinder as well, I hope not all on Tinder are out there just to rob me with some scopolamine.

[QUOTE=Lou32;2753093]If you plan on going to Setenta be aware that very few people chill in the restaurants and bars alone so be prepared to take a nice young lady with you. There are gringo faces about and no one will care one way or the other in that area.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2752873]Various suggestions have been made of late for splitting this thread into separate forums. How about:

--One for sharing useful information and instructive or entertaining experiences in Paisa Pussyland;.

--and one (lets call it Ego-Tripping in Medellin) for making smug, snarky, judgmental comments about other Board Members.[/QUOTE]People are going to post wherever they like, and that will be this thread more than 90% of the time, so I don't think it will work in reality.

I know your intention is good. My guess is the poster won't post if the poster is consciously aware of it. This suggestion basically is telling admin to work (moving posts) so some members can enjoy. That is how I read it.

You can try Davivienda. It's also a no fee option. I've never been denied a transaction. They do offer the dreaded rip off conversion rate. Since we still from time to time see guys get caught out by the offer it's worthwhile to mention that we must never accept it.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2752830]Was at Rio Negro Airport yesterday and tried using the Scotia Bank / Colpatria ATM by entrance 4 on the departure level. I've been using this machine for at least two years and yesterday for the first time they showed a proposed conversion rate which was ridiculous with a 6% fee which I declined and then the transaction didn't go thru. I tried a second time and it didn't go thru. So I thought when declining you would be given whatever the market rate is.

I typically only make ATM with drawls from the ScotiaBank ATM at the EXITO in Poblado and have never seen a proposed conversion rate before on the transaction screens. I know a lot other Colombian banks are doing the conversion thing, however this is the first time I've seen it at ScotiaBank / Colpatria and I don't like it, it was almost like the bank was saying take what we are offering, or leave it as we won't be giving you the market rate.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2753101]And I am not "paying for it" now, but just like with the wife, it would be a helluva lot cheaper if I were. So I could look down on guys who are paying for it now but why? They are paying less for it than I am.[/QUOTE]The other day in one of my fb groups a buddy posed the question, "What's the appropriate amount of money that should be spent on the 1st date? Are $200 dates a thing of the past?" I said, "Who the fuck is spending $200 to go out with a stranger?

Is this really a thing? If it is then I totally understand why some young guy would rather travel and pay directly for a sure thing.

This is a good and accurate summary. If you find yourself well north of these guidelines you should reassess.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.

Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.

Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.

Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.

Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.

Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.

Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.

Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare.

What you should pay is what works for you. Those prices are guidelines. Many girls will give a much higher price at first. Knowing what is standard will help you to keep it reasonable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753072]I disagree. If a chick could make 4 million on a regular job then she probably would not be hoeing. I know one person's junk is another person's treasure, but if she is not worth 4 million on a regular job market where she would undergo more screening than I could possibly give, then she damn sure is not worth 4 million pesos to me.[/QUOTE]What are you disagreeing with? That the average salary is over 4 million per month? Sources disagree.

[URL]https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-colombia/[/URL]#salary-by-region.

Are you disagreeing that average salary and minimum wage earnings are meaningless? It's simple. If those numbers are the basis for pricing, then before you can decide what price is correct to ensure the girls are earning either average salary or minimum wage you need to know how many guys the girl will fuck that month to decide what portion is your responsibility.

And yes, that is silly. Nobody knows how many customers each girl will have and it's the girl's responsibility to figure out how much she needs to do to earn what she needs.

That's one reason why there are different prices. A girl who commits to a minimum of 3 hours for each customer can't charge the same price as a girl who is ready for a new customer every 30 minutes.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro.[/QUOTE]Confirmed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062] Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more..[/QUOTE]Confirmed.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]
Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.
[/QUOTE]Starting from 60 k hh in the 'lowbrow' places like Taberna Victoria or Grill Occidental.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2753074]I had the same thing happen (even though 2 years ago). I think it was BBVA. It cancelled my transaction as soon as I declined the conversion. Tried weeks later and same thing. The ATM cancelled my transaction and spit my card out.[/QUOTE]Five days ago I tried using the Scotia / Colpatria ATM machine at Rio Negro Airport and they had the conversion bullshit, where as yesterday in using the Scotia / Colpatria ATM at the EXITO in Poblado there was no conversion screen.

I think what the banks are doing, besides hoping a stupid person will accept the conversion, they are programming machines in certain locations to have the conversion bullshit. And an airport is perfect, they are hoping for a dazed traveler to accept the conversion which can be so profitable for them.

This is done in a lot of other Countries at travel hubs and heavy tourist locations.

As an example I was in Aruba a few weeks ago in a heavy duty tourist area with lots of shops, bars, and eating places. There was like one ATM machine in the complex and I had USD, but wanted some of the local currency, and tried using the machine, but it was totally convoluted so I aborted the transaction, knowing I was going to get hosed. Imagine someone having no cash and needing it desperately this is what I'm assuming some of the banks thinking is. It's no different than so many hookers asking for more than the market rate and hoping to get a sucker, with nothing to lose in the process.

As far as the USD to COP rate, I'm wondering when it's going to 5,000 COP to the USD as it just seems to keep going up.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2753138]People are going to post wherever they like, and that will be this thread more than 90% of the time, so I don't think it will work in reality.

I know your intention is good. My guess is the poster won't post if the poster is consciously aware of it. This suggestion basically is telling admin to work (moving posts) so some members can enjoy. That is how I read it.[/QUOTE]The thought of dividing the Medellin thread into multiple categories would go a long way as because right now the Medellin thread is just a free for all and difficult for many to get information they need because of the shear number of posts. If a guy wants to talk about Fayboo Chicas, why not in a Fayboo / Tinder section, maybe a Parque Lleras section, an El Centro section, a casa section, and a nightclub bar section,. This would be no different than say the Tijuana sub-sections and doesn't make sense why it hasn't been done yet here.

And yes people are going to post whatever they like, but having sub-categories I think would help clean things up instead of being such a free for all with just one category versus several sub-categories.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.

Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.

Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.

Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.

Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.

Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.

Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.

Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare.

What you should pay is what works for you. Those prices are guidelines. Many girls will give a much higher price at first. Knowing what is standard will help you to keep it reasonable.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great summary but can someone please clarify if the 30-40 k in El Centro is for an hour? Or is it just for 30 minutes?

TIA.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753167]Are you disagreeing that average salary and minimum wage earnings are meaningless? It's simple. If those numbers are the basis for pricing, then before you can decide what price is correct to ensure the girls are earning either average salary or minimum wage you need to know how many guys the girl will fuck that month to decide what portion is your responsibility.[/QUOTE]Yes that is the part I was disagreeing with. I am not saying there is a correct price or percentage, but there is a such thing as local value for money. (It seems many punters instead look at back home value for money, which really baffles me). If you know local people are making x for the entire month, but for 2 hours you are giving an uneducated sex worker one-fifth of what an average person is making the entire month then there is indeed an imbalance.

You know the local person is not giving a fifth of their monthly salary like that. And like has been said you don't see a ton of chicks living in penthouses and driving around in Mercedes so you know they are not collecting that from every Dick on a regular basis. So yes it is meaningful to know what local people in normal normal jobs actually earn if you are at all concerned about the local value that you are getting for your money.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.
Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.
Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.
Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.
Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.
Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.
Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.
Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare......[/QUOTE]Agreed, JjBee provides an accurate and pretty comprehensive summary of the Medellin pussy-pricing regime. A few footnotes to the above, based on my experience:

1) I usually frequent the in-call venues (casas, strip clubs, mileroticos) to, in effect, audition / recruit potential keepers to invite to my apartment (for don't-watch-the-clock sessions of up to two or three hours and to refresh my rotating stable of regulars). At first, since, when visiting me, the ladies don't have to split the payment with casa / strip club owners, I expected to be able to negotiate a discount from the casa / club price or at least pay about the same as for on-the-premise sex, even though they would be spending an hour or more with me and have to travel. In reality, my experience has varied.

--Visits to my place by Centro casa and stripclub girls have usually cost me 150 to 200 k plus transport. (This includes an implicit 30-80 k propina for DFK / BBBJ, and sometimes for BBFS, which I would be paying whether sessioning at the casa / club or in my apartment.

--I've pulled girls from the next-to-top-tier clubs (Luna Lunera, San Diego) for as low as 250 to 300, for repeat visits of several hours with DFK / BBBJ and, in one case, BBFS.

--Just before leaving Medellin in September, I had my first session (with super service) from a Milerotico escort, at her In-call location and then a great three hour session in my apartment (at the end of her regular hours). Price: 150 k for the In-call but she had a firm, standard 100 k extra charge for out-call. I have no idea if this is pretty standard for Mileroticos and Photoprepagos. Does anyone have more experience?

-At Las Islas, Fase II, Spa Fantasias Energy, and Loutrons, I have had virtually no luck getting the few super hot chicas that have caught my eye to offer DFK / BBBJ even for a generous (up to 100 k) propina. One exception--a buxom, blond beauty at Fase II (claimed to be getting a Pharmacy degree) with whom I had a supper, on-site GFE session, but who wasn't available for outcall. That said, if one isn't holding out for the one or two super beauties on the premises, one can find some more amenable to providing the GFE-style extras.

Happy hunting and to each his own.

Great post I just added it to the reports of distinction as a good resource, especially for the newbies who would otherwise need to spend hours RTFF to arrive at this same info.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.

Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.

Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.

Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.

Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.

Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.

Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.

Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare.

What you should pay is what works for you. Those prices are guidelines. Many girls will give a much higher price at first. Knowing what is standard will help you to keep it reasonable.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753163]The other day in one of my fb groups a buddy posed the question, "What's the appropriate amount of money that should be spent on the 1st date? Are $200 dates a thing of the past?" I said, "Who the fuck is spending $200 to go out with a stranger?

Is this really a thing? If it is then I totally understand why some young guy would rather travel and pay directly for a sure thing.[/QUOTE]A friend of mine in Miami told me about taking a chick out for drinks and food on a first date. He said total cost including valet parking was about $150. And no he did not get laid. I thought holy shit I could have banged three paisas for that! If I went to Centro it would be more like 8 or 10.

I can understand why guys don't want to pay girls directly, I used to feel that way. Glad I eventually changed my mind on that issue, I'm having a lot more fun now.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2753101]I do not get the "not paying for it" part. [/QUOTE]
Agreed, for those who think they are not paying for sex that just means they are on the "indirect payment plan." Most of the time, it is quite a bit more expensive.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2753199]Thanks for the great summary but can someone please clarify if the 30-40 k in El Centro is for an hour? Or is it just for 30 minutes?

TIA.[/QUOTE]But you may be able to spend more time with the chick if the circumstances are right.

Btw, yeah great summary from JjBee62, as usual

Thanks JjBee62, you are on my fucking hero list. Newbee-questions to follow:

- Lleras is 5 times the price compared to El Centro for streetwalkers, is this because of better quality or because of chance of getting robbed / shot / drugged / stabbed is significantly higher in el Centro?

- Streetwalkers, I assume I take them back to my place? (it is not the BJ on a a parking-lot-option we are talking about?128514.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753062]These are the standard prices on Medellin. Your costs may vary.

Street girls - 30-40 k in El Centro, 200-250 k in Parque Lleras.

Casas - 50-60 k for half hrs, 80-100 k for hour. Some places charge more.

Tinder - 200-400 k for hour, some want more.

Facebook - 150-400 k for 1-2 hours.

Photoprepagos and Mileroticos- 80-150 k per hour.

Strip Clubs- from 80 k to over 300 k for 30-45 minutes.

Casas, strip clubs, Photoprepagos and Mileroticos are generally in-call. You're doing the deed on their property. Facebook and Tinder are in your place. All of the above may require extra payment for BBBJ, BBFS and anal. Outcall girls they may require extra for taxi fare.

What you should pay is what works for you. Those prices are guidelines. Many girls will give a much higher price at first. Knowing what is standard will help you to keep it reasonable.[/QUOTE]

Noted, you do not pick up girls in Laureles on the street or in bars, if there are any bars with many pro or semipro girls that would be great to know. Most seem to hang out on the streets in Lleras and El Centro.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753097]Where do you plan to pick up the girl from? Laureles is not Pattaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753232]Thanks JjBee62, you are on my fucking hero list. Newbee-questions to follow:

- Lleras is 5 times the price compared to El Centro for streetwalkers, is this because of better quality or because of chance of getting robbed / shot / drugged / stabbed is significantly higher in el Centro?

- Streetwalkers, I assume I take them back to my place? (it is not the BJ on a a parking-lot-option we are talking about?128514.[/QUOTE]I believe Lleras is much more expensive simply because there are a hell of a lot more tourists there. Relatively few in Centro. While I've been a few times to Centro I've never pulled the trigger so lots of other guys here can give you better info than me. IMO, on average Lleras girls are hotter. I only find about 10% of the Centro girls attractive but there are some. Generally, with Lleras girls you take them back to your place. In Centro you take them to a short term hotel, there are bunches of them in Centro.

Personally I prefer facebook to the other options. It is reasonably cheap and reasonably safe as long as you take some simple precautions.

As far as the danger issues:

- Getting shot / stabbed. Pretty rare it seems based on the lack of reports but it can happen anywhere (including Poblado, no it's not safe just because it's expensive). This typically happens during a mugging where the victim fought back. My rule is that if you show me a gun or knife I give you what you want, no fighting back. Fortunately never had to use this rule but I think it is a good idea to decide on this ahead of time.

- Getting robbed / drugged. Lots of youtube reports on guys getting scoped, although it seems like the risk is somewhat exaggerated if you use reasonable precautions. 90% of the stories I've heard involve tinder dates where the guy thought he was going to get laid for free, she was very eager to immediately come to his apartment (with no discussion of money) and when she arrived they had drinks. Next thing he knew it was the next day and the girl was gone along with his laptop, phone, wallet, etc.

But don't let the risks scare you off, MDE is lots of fun as long as you use a bit of common sense and are careful.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753163]The other day in one of my fb groups a buddy posed the question, "What's the appropriate amount of money that should be spent on the 1st date? Are $200 dates a thing of the past?" I said, "Who the fuck is spending $200 to go out with a stranger?

Is this really a thing? If it is then I totally understand why some young guy would rather travel and pay directly for a sure thing.[/QUOTE]Depends on the date. A decent restaurant with dessert and drinks for 2 will cost $100 or more. Do a movie and add $50. Drinks and dancing might cost $50-$100 depending on how much she's drinking.

At my age, a date is just step 1 on the road to "Let's fuck" and there are only 2 steps. If you're looking for a partner, maybe a second or third date would be $200. You don't want to start with unreasonable expectations.

Also, that's exactly why I started paying for a sure thing. Why spend time and money on something old, wrinkled and carrying a lot of baggage, when something ypung and sweet can be had for less?

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2753226]A friend of mine in Miami told me about taking a chick out for drinks and food on a first date. He said total cost including valet parking was about $150. And no he did not get laid. I thought holy shit I could have banged three paisas for that! If I went to Centro it would be more like 8 or 10.

I can understand why guys don't want to pay girls directly, I used to feel that way. Glad I eventually changed my mind on that issue, I'm having a lot more fun now.[/QUOTE]The US $150 was not to get laid. It was an investment the returns of which would be banging a hot girl, who would be faithful to you, for free whenever you want to. As with Wall Street, sometimes you lose, sometimes you win.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2753199]Thanks for the great summary but can someone please clarify if the 30-40 k in El Centro is for an hour? Or is it just for 30 minutes?

TIA.[/QUOTE]I planned to write a Pricing part 2 to discuss that. I'll do it here. I'm going off other's reports and not my own experience on this one. Also the masters of the El Centro scene are often able to get a better experience for the price. If you've spent 5 years pulling from those streets you're probably better at making a deal than the guy who is on his first visit.

30-40 k is the price for the girl for 30 minutes although it might only be 20 minutes. On top of that you need to pay for the room, 8-10 k or 12-16 k for a nicer room. If you want BBBJ you probably need to add 20 k. Possibly 50 k more for BBFS. If the girl knows you're new she may start out asking for 50 k, 70 k or even more.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753208]Yes that is the part I was disagreeing with. I am not saying there is a correct price or percentage, but there is a such thing as local value for money. (It seems many punters instead look at back home value for money, which really baffles me). If you know local people are making x for the entire month, but for 2 hours you are giving an uneducated sex worker one-fifth of what an average person is making the entire month then there is indeed an imbalance.

You know the local person is not giving a fifth of their monthly salary like that. And like has been said you don't see a ton of chicks living in penthouses and driving around in Mercedes so you know they are not collecting that from every Dick on a regular basis. So yes it is meaningful to know what local people in normal normal jobs actually earn if you are at all concerned about the local value that you are getting for your money.[/QUOTE]I understand what you're saying, but it's still meaningless. If you are only getting girls off the street in El Centro, or visiting the casas then yes, you should be sticking with the standard prices. You're getting what the typical Colombian guy is getting. The same is true if you eat in the same restaurants or ride the same buses. It makes no sense to pay more than the locals.

But not everyone is doing that. Even pulling girls off the street in Parque Lleras is different, even if it's the same girl. You're going to a much nicer room, probably your own and you're getting an hour. Not 30 minutes. The girls are only getting 1 or 2 customers a night, instead of 6-10, so they're cleaner and often better dressed with more energy and enthusiasm. YMMV.

Of course the girls in Lleras are hoping to find a chump, but that's true of hookers everywhere. I'm sure there are plenty in El Centro quoting 100 k or more when they see someone who looks out of his element.

Most of us aren't living like the average Colombian wage earner. We take taxis, instead of walking and taking the bus. We stay in nicer places, we eat better meals and drink better booze. And many of us don't see a need to limit ourselves to the average Colombian mongering style.

Instead of 30 minutes in a room of questionable cleanliness, we take 2 or 3 hours in a nice, clean room, possibly with a balcony or jacuzzi. Instead of a girl who might have already been with 5 customers, we get one who came fresh from her home, clean, well dressed (YMMV) and smelling sweet. We might take them to dinner, a movie or out drinking and dancing. It's a different experience and comes at a different price.

That experience isn't available for the typical Colombian who sees a hooker every other payday. It's hard to have a girl come over to the house where your wife and kids live (or where your mother lives). Certainly having a girl there for 2-3 hours of loud, sweaty sex is going to be a problem with your wife screaming and your mother beating you with her chancla.

The only question is whether or not guys should have the option of seeking a different mongering experience, or should be limited to only street girls and casas?

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753232]Thanks JjBee62, you are on my fucking hero list. Newbee-questions to follow:

- Lleras is 5 times the price compared to El Centro for streetwalkers, is this because of better quality or because of chance of getting robbed / shot / drugged / stabbed is significantly higher in el Centro?

- Streetwalkers, I assume I take them back to my place? (it is not the BJ on a a parking-lot-option we are talking about?128514.[/QUOTE]1. Lleras prices are higher for a couple of reasons. First, you're in a more affluent area with a higher concentration of tourists. You're also paying for an hour instead of 30 minutes. The average in Lleras might be better looking than El Centro, but only because there are fewer girls. I would say your risk of getting robbed by a street girl is higher in Lleras.

2. El Centro street girls you take to a short time room, which they will take you to, unless you're staying in El Centro. You pay for the room. In Lleras typically you take them to your place (if you're staying in the area).

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2753101]I do not get the "not paying for it" part. One time there was a stripper who gave me her number after taking care of me in the club. After texting her, her BF calls me and says "she does not do that (sex for money) any more. " he was so upset and heartbroken then I did not say what I wanted to which was "Dude, when did she say that? Because 10 minutes ago, my dick was in her mouth."

I just wonder what illusion this guy was under while he was "not paying for it." Was he fixing her car? Babysitting her kid?

I was married to a woman with an amazing figure: large natural breasts and a 24 inch waist. So I guess I could say that I did not pay for her, but OTOH she was the most expensive pussy I ever had.

And I talked to guys in the 1970's free love era. They said fucking was like a handshake then. When I was in college, the AIDS bug hit and everyone was scared out of their mind that if they had sex, they would die. It is totally unfair to compare those eras.

And when I went to a strip club back in 2000 when the dot com boom was going on, the women were gorgeous, and the type I like, the spinner type, was available in abundance. I went to a club the other day, and there was one (one!) spinner type, and she was from Cuba. Half the strippers were fat.

And in the 2000 decade, you could get a fucking knockout escort for $200. Now $200 an hour gets you 300 pounds. I perused an escort directory a few months ago and found one I liked. She wanted $1000 for an hour. Hell, if my ex were 25 and in the market today, she would have shredded guys with ivy league degrees making seven figures fighting over her.

From where I sit looking at the USA market, guys going to Colombia (and Mexico) and paying for it are the smart ones. The only decent looking women in strip clubs (and most of society now) are Latinas and Asians and going to the source nets you huge discounts.

And I am not "paying for it" now, but just like with the wife, it would be a helluva lot cheaper if I were. So I could look down on guys who are paying for it now but why? They are paying less for it than I am.[/QUOTE]Elvis you are eloquent. I was just thinking about this last night. LOL I was fortunate to have an open relationship, living together for 10 years. The sex was magnificent till we split. We stayed friends afterwards. Occasional sex. I never understood how people could be committed to someone for a lifetime.

Still, I went into therapy (12 step groups) over the breakup. And cycle of substances, sex and "love" addictions, with new partners I found. But it was later on living in Mexico that I discovered there was nothing wrong with paying for it and enjoying the company of a beautiful girl. I think it was my religious / societal brainwashing which kept me from happiness for many years. The self help therapy may have eased the transition but helped to continue the brainwashing. Living in the USA, I kept trying to find that "other person" that would make me happy. I always wanted a trophy girl and they were plentiful at the strip clubs. LOL, until living in Baja.

I discovered Adeletas and HKTJ (you walk in, and pick a girl) and that was fun. I dated a few of them. Colombia (and SA) brought me back to living life with interesting, beautiful young women. It feels much more natural and opens up many more possibilities for different kinds of relationships. Not entirely based on sex. Still mutually beneficial. Personally I don't think I want to invest the time to "settle down" even in another open relationship. (monogamous) I think having good friends (with benefits) is more than enough for me.

So I am headed back to Colombia to see some of the girls I know and meet a couple new ones. I might visit El Centro (for 10 minutes) and La Isla for a night. Most of the single girls in Colombia are not WG's. Once you have been to the Ranch, and had lots of Mangos it's difficult to be on the outside and get laid at the first encounter. No problem, the ranch is always there.

It is also true (for me) that meeting girls we cannot easily find or meet any other way on SA has destroyed my interest in almost anyone from other places. Especially in the USA.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753208]Yes that is the part I was disagreeing with. I am not saying there is a correct price or percentage, but there is a such thing as local value for money. (It seems many punters instead look at back home value for money, which really baffles me). If you know local people are making x for the entire month, but for 2 hours you are giving an uneducated sex worker one-fifth of what an average person is making the entire month then there is indeed an imbalance.

You know the local person is not giving a fifth of their monthly salary like that. And like has been said you don't see a ton of chicks living in penthouses and driving around in Mercedes so you know they are not collecting that from every Dick on a regular basis. So yes it is meaningful to know what local people in normal normal jobs actually earn if you are at all concerned about the local value that you are getting for your money.[/QUOTE]I'll simplify it even more. The price is the price.

You don't need to know average income cost of living or average shoe size. All you need to know is how much you are going to pay for what you want. If you want to go to Loutron, it doesn't matter that El Centro girls get 30-40 k. It doesn't matter that you might get better service from an El Centro girl. All that matters is the Loutron price. You can talk about average income and the price in El Centro, but if you aren't paying the Loutron price, you're not fucking the Loutron girl.

There is no "better" or "best" when it comes to girls. The IG model who gets prepaid $1,000 isn't better than any girl in Veracruz alley. How good she is can only be determined by how you feel after you've finished with her. When it's all done if you're happy you paid the price, then it was good.

Because there are certain to be arguments about that last bit, I'll clarify. One might be prettier, have a better body, be cleaner and have a pussy that should be hanging in the Louvre. However, when it's done if you feel like you wasted your money, you're no better off than if you wasted 30 k on a toothless glue sniffer.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753250]...if it's the same girl...[/QUOTE]What if the girl also tells the monger that she charges 30 K in El Centro? A restaurant is more expensive can be explained by higher cost but the restaurant is not going to charge several times more for the same thing in El Centro at a similar restaurant.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753250]...You're going to a much nicer room, probably your own and you're getting an hour. Not 30 minutes...[/QUOTE]That will only make sense to me if the girl is paying for the room. There is no cost to the girl to be in a nicer room.

It also does not explain why some cost US $ 400.

Another way to look at it is using opportunity cost. The majority of younger FB or Centro girls that I know don't have a j2ob or don't want to work for very little. Their cost is very low because their opportunity is ZERO. A girl can charge 150 mil but has only a few customer a month. These girls' cost of time is still basically 0 so they should charge even less if that is how they can make more money until they are established like the Jenni that was reviewed recently who had back to back customers on ISG. A girl who makes more than average salary can choose to charge a lot more than her existing job.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753250]
Instead of 30 minutes in a room of questionable cleanliness, we take 2 or 3 hours in a nice, clean room, possibly with a balcony or jacuzzi. Instead of a girl who might have already been with 5 customers, we get one who came fresh from her home, clean, well dressed (YMMV) and smelling sweet. We might take them to dinner, a movie or out drinking and dancing. It's a different experience and comes at a different price.

That experience isn't available for the typical Colombian who sees a hooker every other payday. It's hard to have a girl come over to the house where your wife and kids live (or where your mother lives). Certainly having a girl there for 2-3 hours of loud, sweaty sex is going to be a problem with your wife screaming and your mother beating you with her chancla.

The only question is whether or not guys should have the option of seeking a different mongering experience, or should be limited to only street girls and casas?[/QUOTE]This is what I was saying in the Bogota thread about high and low mileage girls. Not only you can take a girl for 2 or 3 hours, but overnight or even for a few days, if you want. Have multiple or unlimited pops, oftentimes BBFS, without any rush or knock on the door. I'm not talking about street girls or casa girls from the poorest barrios. I'm talking about girls who do not sell pussy for living, who have normal jobs, or study, and go out once in a while to have a good time or supplement their income, pay for college, etc. These girls are more intelligent than your average SW girl, some of them speak English and travel in and out of Colombia, some of them are great conversationalists and a fun company outside of bedroom. Guys like DonCarlos, Sangnyc21, and a few more, myself included, focus on a different field, and we are minority here. We prefer a different experience that comes at a different price, as you said. But we always get trashed here by mongers who think pussy is pussy, and there is no difference between girls besides the price. It's like an owner of a 30 yo Toyota Corolla talking shit about new luxury cars, just because he thinks his Toyota is the best car in the world, because it is cheap, gets him from point A to point be, and on top of that, he lost his virginity on the back seat of the car back in high school. Nobody is limited to only street girls or casas, but it seems like the majority here got stuck in the street scene and are too lazy to get their asses out of the comfort zone and try something different. And once you try it, there is no way back.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2753212]-At Las Islas, Fase II, Spa Fantasias Energy, and Loutrons, I have had virtually no luck getting the few super hot chicas that have caught my eye to offer DFK / BBBJ even for a generous (up to 100 k) propina. One exception--a buxom, blond beauty at Fase II (claimed to be getting a Pharmacy degree) with whom I had a supper, on-site GFE session, but who wasn't available for outcall. That said, if one isn't holding out for the one or two super beauties on the premises, one can find some more amenable to providing the GFE-style extras.

Happy hunting and to each his own.[/QUOTE]That is what I didn't like about Medellin. DFK is essential for me, but it wasn't always on the menu.

Wow, there is definitely a lot of debate and arguments about how to monger in Medellin. I am not going to join the debates but just try to return the discussion to posting information about trips to Medellin.

I am a newbie to Medellin and recently enjoyed my first trip to Medellin for a week. I am an older monger in my late 50's and do not speak much Spanish, just bare bones Spanish. I did not know much about Medellin prior to going other than reading a few things on this website and trip reports on another website and watching online videos.

Everything was fine. I did not get robbed or drugged. I saw a number of girls on FB and everyone provided a good GFE session. They were young and attractive and I was happy with their performance. That was my only source of girls in Medellin and it worked out just fine.

I went to Medellin. I had a good time. I had a budget and stayed within my budget and the money I spent was reasonable to me. That is all that matters to me. Now whether other guys would be upset with my spending habits is not important at all to me.

I will return to Medellin soon. I have a few old favorites now and hope to add to my list of old favorites on my next trip.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753406]This is what I was saying in the Bogota thread about high and low mileage girls. Not only you can take a girl for 2 or 3 hours, but overnight or even for a few days, if you want. Have multiple or unlimited pops, oftentimes BBFS, without any rush or knock on the door. I'm not talking about street girls or casa girls from the poorest barrios. I'm talking about girls who do not sell pussy for living, who have normal jobs, or study, and go out once in a while to have a good time or supplement their income, pay for college, etc. These girls are more intelligent than your average SW girl, some of them speak English and travel in and out of Colombia, some of them are great conversationalists and a fun company outside of bedroom. Guys like DonCarlos, Sangnyc21, and a few more, myself included, focus on a different field, and we are minority here. We prefer a different experience that comes at a different price, as you said.[/QUOTE]That all goes back to there not being a wrong way. Different people have different things they are going for. I do not care about the taking someone I am paying to dinner because there are chicks I do not pay that I am going to be going to dinner with and doing normal shit with. Some guys just want a few minutes to stick their dick into some strange for which casas and centros suffice. Some guys like you said want a chick to drink and party with for which fb suffices. Then other guys want a chick to wine and dine and romance and look into their eyes over candlelight for which SA or IG works.

There is no way to tell if someone is high or low mileage. Just because she spent all night with you and has a regular job does not mean she is not a hooker. She could do the same with 29 other people in the same month and who is to say she is not running out fucking guys for money on her lunch break.

But I can see how the mind can conceive that since her base is not an actual place full of hookers then she is different or low mileage or does not often do what she did with me. These limos driving around town that you have to make a special reservation for have just as much mileage as the taxis that you can flag down from any corner. But seeing the sleek black paint and tinted windows in addition to having paid the "uber black price" make us think the ride we are taking is special or different.

Hello All,

I have a trip Feb / March to the Philippines but since I have been there before I'm seriously considering changing it Colombia.

I understand that its night and day difference between Asia and especially a first timer needs to be extra careful and use common sense. I have traveled around Guatemala and Honduras 15 years ago but never for mongering.

I'm looking at 2-3 weeks. My plan is to spend 7 to 10 days doing a motorcycle trip out of Medellin and the rest spending in the city perhaps venturing to another city maybe Bogota if I spend 3 weeks in country.

Spending time looking through the forums I have a couple of questions that would be helpful in making my decision.

1) Looking at finding a hotel / air bnb in Laureles as it seems like a good neighbourhood. I don't want anything to gringo touristy but same time nothing super sketchy. Any recommendations for GF place with good security, ID check and room safe? Is it worth while for a first timer to stay at the Mansion. My understanding is the value of the girls may not be as good as through other avenues but it is safe.

2) How does it work with finding girls off FB?

3) I defiantly want try and hit up some of the strip clubs and casa's any recommendations as I'm sure there are dozens if not hundreds in Medellin.

4) mileroticos and escort agencies seem like the safest but maybe not best value way to go. Any experiences people can share or alternative suggestions?

Many thanks,

YM.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753435]

There is no way to tell if someone is high or low mileage. Just because she spent all night with you and has a regular job does not mean she is not a hooker. She could do the same with 29 other people in the same month and who is to say she is not running out fucking guys for money on her lunch break.

But I can see how the mind can conceive that since her base is not an actual place full of hookers then she is different or low mileage or does not often do what she did with me. These limos driving around town that you have to make a special reservation for have just as much mileage as the taxis that you can flag down from any corner. But seeing the sleek black paint and tinted windows in addition to having paid the "uber black price" make us think the ride we are taking is special or different.[/QUOTE]I get your point. But I can hardly imagine a bank employee, even if she has an entry level job, a teller, for example, fucking guys on her lunch break. Hypothetically, she can, but in reality, most likely she won't. The higher her position in a company, the less likely she will fuck guys for money on a regular basis. Of course, you should never assume that you are the only guy she is meeting. But a normal chick with a 9-5 job simply won't have time (add time to get to work and get back home, time to get ready for a date, etc.) to fuck 29 other dudes in the same month. And no need to do that if her salary covers her basic necessities.

This is why it is very important to ask her questions about her job and school, both direct and indirect, ask for pictures from work, follow them on social media, etc. So that you have a good idea of what she does for living. We all know some girls are great at lying, but if she sends me a photo of her wearing a flight attendant uniform, while on the aircraft, I tend to believe that she is indeed a flight attendant. Doesn't mean she can't or doesn't fuck other dudes, but most likely not on a regular basis, and therefore I would consider her a low mileage girl, a non pro or a semi-pro, if you will, but definitely not a hooker / working girl who lives off of it.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753406]I'm talking about girls who do not sell pussy for living, who have normal jobs...[/QUOTE]You are talking about girls who do not ONLY sell pussy for living.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753406]But we always get trashed here by mongers who think pussy is pussy.[/QUOTE]Bcos you have up to this point always told us they are better / higher quality, without any proof.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753460]I would consider her a low mileage girl, a non pro or a semi-pro, if you will, but definitely not a hooker / working girl .[/QUOTE]I want to ask you sincerely, what is the attraction of a "low mileage girl"? Why does it matter to you?

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753463]I want to ask you sincerely, what is the attraction of a "low mileage girl"? Why does it matter to you?[/QUOTE]Guys want to hire an electrician or mechanic with tons of experience, but want to hire a hooker with the least experience possible.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753461]You are talking about girls who do not ONLY sell pussy for living.

Bcos you have up to this point always told us they are better / higher quality, without any proof.[/QUOTE]Do you need a proof that flying business class is more comfortable than flying economy?

Here is a great analogy for you. Some people don't fly business class, because:

1. they can't afford it, plain and simple.

2. they can afford it, tried it, but decided that it is not worth it to pay extra thousands $ for that extra level of comfort, in other words they see no value in it and prefer to spend the saved money elsewhere.

3. they can afford it, but never tried, maybe because they think business or economy are the same, or maybe because they just care about getting from point A to point be regardless of a level of comfort.

The majority of mongers promoting the street scene fall into the 3rd category. Never tried a different way of mongering, never stepped out of a comfort zone to try something new, do what they are used to, or sometimes, simply have no info or clue about other ways they can monger. You can't promote the only way of mongering you have tried, and talk shit about other ways or venues that you haven't tried, it just shows your incompetence and narrow mindedness.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753463]I want to ask you sincerely, what is the attraction of a "low mileage girl"? Why does it matter to you?[/QUOTE]A low mileage girl generally provides better service, because she doesn't treat this as her job. She is fresh, clean, more enthusiastic. Not burned out yet. She wants to have a great time in and out of bedroom. She can be very selective and only fuck dudes that she likes vs casa girls who have to fuck whoever walks in and picks them. All of this results in a better chemistry and connection, and better sex.

Also, how would you feel about DFK with a girl who sucked someone's dick 10 minutes ago, and you know it for sure, because some dude grabbed her in front of you? You probably don't care, but I do.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753468]Do you need a proof that flying business class is more comfortable than flying economy?

Here is a great analogy for you.

3. they can afford it, but never tried, maybe because they think business or economy are the same, or maybe because they just care about getting from point A to point be regardless of a level of comfort.

The majority of mongers promoting the street scene fall into the 3rd category.[/QUOTE]How do you know they fall in category 3? That's a very big assumption.

And I don't think your analogy is valid. Here's why. When you pay for business class, you are buying a defined service. You get a bigger chair, you get a free glass of bubbly, you get a free toothbrush that snaps on first use, and you contribute more to global warming. So you can decide if you want to pay for that or not.

But when you pay more for a girl. What exactly are you paying for? I note, you are looking for intelligence, fun, someone that has a second job as well as hooking, better looking, whatever. These are all things that are either subjective or totally unfounded. I have been with lots of students in Centro, taken plenty of girls out of the casas and clubs. Am writing this from Guatape, where I am staying w 2 girls from Sexi Amigas. They are great fun, and great at sex. One time at New Life I met one girl that told me she is a dentist and saving quick money to buy a house. That was a surprise, I can tell you. So in summary, I don't accept any of the assumptions you make when you pay more money for a girl. That's why the analogy breaks down.

Here is an analogy for you. Many people believe in a religion. If it makes them happy. Good them. But it does not make it correct.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753476]A low mileage girl generally provides better service, because she doesn't treat this as her job. She is fresh, clean, more enthusiastic. Not burned out yet. She wants to have a great time in and out of bedroom. She can be very selective and only fuck dudes that she likes vs casa girls who have to fuck whoever walks in and picks them. All of this results in a better chemistry and connection, and better sex.

Also, how would you feel about DFK with a girl who sucked someone's dick 10 minutes ago, and you know it for sure, because some dude grabbed her in front of you? You probably don't care, but I do.[/QUOTE]Why does "not treat it as a job" equal "better service"? And how do you know a low mileage girl (LMG) does not treat it as a job? Surely the act of doing it, indicates its a job to her, no?

How do you know a LMG is is "fresh, clean, more enthusiastic"? Maybe she has a BF who has just fucked her up the AR $e and cum in her mouth?

And that a HMG is not "fresh, clean, more enthusiastic"?

"She wants to have a great time in and out of bedroom. " - don't we all?

"She can be very selective and only fuck dudes that she likes" - why is this a benefit?

"All of this results in a better chemistry and connection" - only if you buy in to the claims you have made. I think they are all fallacies.

"and better sex" - how can that be? I guess that would only be if the issues you raise mean that you cannot enjoy sex with someone that does not meet your criteria.

"DFK with a girl who sucked someone's dick 10 minutes ago" - your right. It wouldn't matter to me. As long as she brushes her teeth beforehand or uses mouthwash. Your girl, might have had her BFs dick in her mouth 10 minutes before, or last night. She has probably washed, the same as a casa girl. A girl that brushed her teeth 12 hours ago v a girrl that brushed her teeth 10 minutes ago. Which one is cleaner?

TBH: when I read your methodology of evaluating girls, I get the impression you are searching for a wife or long term partner. Thats fine if you are. It just seems strange to me that you are searching for one thru expensive hookers.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753468]Do you need a proof that flying business class is more comfortable than flying economy?

Here is a great analogy for you. Some people don't fly business class, because:

1. they can't afford it, plain and simple.

2. they can afford it, tried it, but decided that it is not worth it to pay extra thousands $ for that extra level of comfort, in other words they see no value in it and prefer to spend the saved money elsewhere.

3. they can afford it, but never tried, maybe because they think business or economy are the same, or maybe because they just care about getting from point A to point be regardless of a level of comfort.

The majority of mongers promoting the street scene fall into the 3rd category. Never tried a different way of mongering, never stepped out of a comfort zone to try something new, do what they are used to, or sometimes, simply have no info or clue about other ways they can monger. You can't promote the only way of mongering you have tried, and talk shit about other ways or venues that you haven't tried, it just shows your incompetence and narrow mindedness.[/QUOTE]How did you determine that the majority of mongers into the street scene fall into your third category.

Your saying they can afford to fly business, yet may think business and economy are the same. I don't even know how you can say that as every monger in Colombia has to fly here, and knows there can be a big difference between economy and business.

And are you also saying that the mongers into the street scene may have never tried a different way of mongering, and might not have a clue as to other ways to monger. I find that hard to believe, as all of the guys I know who frequent the street scene have varied mongering experience and prefer it based on their experience mongering in other ways.

In your analogy, I would put the majority of mongers into the street scene in your category 1 or 2, with category 3 not making much sense to me.

I think of all the mongering venues available in Medellin, the street scene in my opinion is the hardest one of them all to navigate. And just because a monger is into the street scene doesn't mean they are closed minded, "Cheap Charlies", but a lot of them are, or inept at handling different venues.

Anyways, I always fly business class in and out of Colombia, and sometimes I've paid for tickets that would of gotten me easily over a hundred street fucks, so I guess I fall into my own special category. LOL.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2753199]Thanks for the great summary but can someone please clarify if the 30-40 k in El Centro is for an hour? Or is it just for 30 minutes?

TIA.[/QUOTE]Before the recent rush of clueless gringo mongers and Vennie arrivals, the price for the average non addict local Medellin street girls was 20 k for an approx. 30 minute service plus the room.

Now since the arrival of hordes of sharky Venezuelen refugees, the Tijuana guys and other street savvy USA Mongers are happy with their familiar 20 minute rush sessions with rules for upselling top off, CBJ, prepay and other nonsense that was a given with local MDE clients.

After a sheddy session these aforementioned providers are asking for a propina, tip, or cab fare (even though they will walk or catch a bus) and are getting it LOL!

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753491]

TBH: when I read your methodology of evaluating girls, I get the impression you are searching for a wife or long term partner. Thats fine if you are. It just seems strange to me that you are searching for one thru expensive hookers.[/QUOTE]So is long term is a week or more? Maybe a "friend with benefits" who you visit on future trips? So you know what to expect. LOL looking into their eyes yes, no bag over her head.

And where do the Sexi Amigas work? I like the sound of it and strange is ok once in a while.

The reality is people are people. Fat, ugly, gorgeous. Some will do anything for 50 cop others want more. A lot more. I am happy with fast food when I am hungry. But not if it's $100 a plate. Then I will at least want candlelight and a table with my deserts.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2753444]Hello All,



I'm looking at 2-3 weeks. My plan is to spend 7 to 10 days doing a motorcycle trip out of Medellin and the rest spending in the city perhaps venturing to another city maybe Bogota if I spend 3 weeks in country.

YM.[/QUOTE]I am thinking of this also. Maybe just drive to Bogota stopping along the way and maybe bring a girl part of the way. I arrive in Medellin Thanksgiving day for 3 weeks.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2753500]...no bag over her head..[/QUOTE]I think it is all in the head of whoever is doing that.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753491]"She can be very selective and only fuck dudes that she likes" - why is this a benefit?

"All of this results in a better chemistry and connection" - only if you buy in to the claims you have made. I think they are all fallacies.

"and better sex" - how can that be?[/QUOTE]I have been with chicks that are not hookers and we were interested in each other and we tried to get something going, yet there was no chemistry at all. I have been with chicks that are not hookers and we had chemisty and a connection but the sex was not to my liking. In my experience chemistry or good sex has nothing to do with whether a person has a normal job, has a limited number of sex partners, is selective, or is getting paid a certain amout by a guy. These things have absolutely.

No correlation. They stand independently, but sometimes when the stars align one may be led to believe that one has something to do with the other.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2753500]

And where do the Sexi Amigas work?
[/QUOTE]Sexi Amigas.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2753500]So is long term is a week or more? Maybe a "friend with benefits" who you visit on future trips?
[/QUOTE]A friend that you pay for the benefits. Is not any type of friend I know of. That's called "a relationship w a prostitute". . But in mBs case, a prostitute that also has to work in an office when she's not banging deluded tourists.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753468]Do you need a proof that flying business class is more comfortable than flying economy?

Here is a great analogy for you. Some people don't fly business class, because:

1. they can't afford it, plain and simple.

2. they can afford it, tried it, but decided that it is not worth it to pay extra thousands $ for that extra level of comfort, in other words they see no value in it and prefer to spend the saved money elsewhere.

3. they can afford it, but never tried, maybe because they think business or economy are the same, or maybe because they just care about getting from point A to point be regardless of a level of comfort.

The majority of mongers promoting the street scene fall into the 3rd category. Never tried a different way of mongering, never stepped out of a comfort zone to try something new, do what they are used to, or sometimes, simply have no info or clue about other ways they can monger. You can't promote the only way of mongering you have tried, and talk shit about other ways or venues that you haven't tried, it just shows your incompetence and narrow mindedness.[/QUOTE]Your 3 categories are all basically correct. Your conclusions aren't.

1. Nearly every monger I've met who prefers El Centro has tried other options. They decided they prefer street girls. That puts them in category 2.

2. Most of the mongers who prefer El Centro don't "promote" El Centro. They report on what they do and what they enjoy. With very few exceptions they don't insult the people who don't care for El Centro.

3. The category 1, can't afford it, rarely applies for frequent leisure travelers. There are plenty of guys here, with plenty of money who only fly the discount airlines and choose only flights with lower fares. They choose where and how to spend their money to get the most out of it. Some only do SA, some only do street girls.

4. Many El Centro mongers want 3 or 4 different girls every day. They prefer that over having the same girl 3 or 4 times a day. Trying to set up 40 non-pros for a 2 week trip is going to be a complete failure. Grabbing 2 or 3 downtown girls in the morning and afternoon then setting up a Facebook girl at night is pretty easy.

5. Different things bother different people. I'd rather a girl sucked a dick before coming to see me than smoke a cigarette. Mouthwash takes care of the first, but a heavy smoker reeks for 2 weeks after they quit smoking.

6. Mileage doesn't matter. Attitude does. Give me a girl who does 40 guys a month, but is fun, energetic and trying to please over a girl who has only had 3 guys and is constantly complaining or telling me she won't do what I want.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2753500]So is long term is a week or more? Maybe a "friend with benefits" who you visit on future trips? So you know what to expect. LOL looking into their eyes yes, no bag over her head.

And where do the Sexi Amigas work? I like the sound of it and strange is ok once in a while.

The reality is people are people. Fat, ugly, gorgeous. Some will do anything for 50 cop others want more. A lot more. I am happy with fast food when I am hungry. But not if it's $100 a plate. Then I will at least want candlelight and a table with my deserts.[/QUOTE]Sexi Amigas is a casa in El Centro.

[QUOTE=DonCarlos1234;2753506]I am thinking of this also. Maybe just drive to Bogota stopping along the way and maybe bring a girl part of the way. I arrive in Medellin Thanksgiving day for 3 weeks.[/QUOTE]Medellin Sport Rentals is the place to go to rent a motorcycle.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753468]Do you need a proof that flying business class is more comfortable than flying economy?....[/QUOTE]Your approach takes more time, and more work so your method does not offer similar benefit of flying business class. The same thing can be said about Scandallo and you have the opposite suggestion that you mention value.

Some centro mongers are doing the same courtship you are doing. I think JW and BB both have reported their approach so there is no disagreement. They just do it cheaper and faster.

[QUOTE=YngMong;2753444]Hello All,...[/QUOTE]You can start with San Peter Apartments. Read Reports of Distinction to find information about FB girls.

For the first time in a long time I ventured into the infamous Parque Lleras and then made my way up la 10 into Provenza to meet some visitors from the Great White North. It was fun and we enjoyed our drinks at Burdo until we got sick of the noise and my friends had to head off to the airport. About an hour before I met them, while I was killing time I was aggressively propositioned three times, pretty much every corner between Lleras and Provenza. I found one of them very attractive. The two pictured here are part of a posse that I noticed hangs out in front of and around the corner from the Hotel Loup on la 10. I don't remember la 10 being a full on stroll during daylight hours. I did not get into pricing because I wouldn't have time. In restrospect I wish I had because as I write this I realize I am curious about it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2753546]For the first time in a long time I ventured into the infamous Parque Lleras and then made my way up la 10 into Provenza to meet some visitors from the Great White North. It was fun and we enjoyed our drinks at Burdo until we got sick of the noise and my friends had to head off to the airport. About an hour before I met them, while I was killing time I was aggressively propositioned three times, pretty much every corner between Lleras and Provenza. I found one of them very attractive. The two pictured here are part of a posse that I noticed hangs out in front of and around the corner from the Hotel Loup on la 10. I don't remember la 10 being a full on stroll during daylight hours. I did not get into pricing because I wouldn't have time. In restrospect I wish I had because as I write this I realize I am curious about it.[/QUOTE]According to an article in the Vivir En Poblado publication, supposedly the Park is supposed to open by November 30, and according to the article, "four state of the art cameras will be installed that, according to Mayor Daniel Quintero, will perform facial recognition and will serve to measure noise levels."

So if you think about this, once the Park is complete, which I will be surprised if it is this year, but if, and when it's complete, I'm wondering how the facial recognition capabilities might be utilized besides identifying criminals in their databases who show up in the park and am wondering if foreign visitors will be able to be identified based on their Passport photo with their system.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Found the girls who drugged and robbed with Scopolamine and this is what happened- Part 1.

This is pretty cool and interesting.

Shady criminal chica caught after drugging the wrong people.

[QUOTE=Bill;2753499]Before the recent rush of clueless gringo mongers and Vennie arrivals, the price for the average non addict local Medellin street girls was 20 k for an approx. 30 minute service plus the room.

Now since the arrival of hordes of sharky Venezuelen refugees, the Tijuana guys and other street savvy USA Mongers are happy with their familiar 20 minute rush sessions with rules for upselling top off, CBJ, prepay and other nonsense that was a given with local MDE clients.

After a sheddy session these aforementioned providers are asking for a propina, tip, or cab fare (even though they will walk or catch a bus) and are getting it LOL![/QUOTE]Sadly this stupid obsession to pay more than the market rate is something that has accelerated in past 20 years, partly due to information being available on open forums like this one. It is something that has affected pretty much all mongering destinations. I have a feeling that MDE rates will triple in next 3-5 years.

[QUOTE=Bill;2753499]Before the recent rush of clueless gringo mongers and Vennie arrivals, the price for the average non addict local Medellin street girls was 20 k for an approx. 30 minute service plus the room.

Now since the arrival of hordes of sharky Venezuelen refugees, the Tijuana guys and other street savvy USA Mongers are happy with their familiar 20 minute rush sessions with rules for upselling top off, CBJ, prepay and other nonsense that was a given with local MDE clients.

After a sheddy session these aforementioned providers are asking for a propina, tip, or cab fare (even though they will walk or catch a bus) and are getting it LOL![/QUOTE]Unfortunately your observations with a few minor exceptions has become how things may be for a lot of the foreign mongers in Medellin, albeit I just can see them making up no more than 5% of all the clients the street girls go with.

So with this being said, there are still a lot of using your words, non "sharky" street girls out whose primary client base is locals. Yet the "sharky" ones, well they are the better business women working the streets.

The same databases that power the American Global Entry system, Interpol's CCTV feeds, and yes Colombia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs migration unit will presumably be available to and fed by what goes up in Parque Lleras. I don't see it as a big deal for anyone who isn't a fugitive from justice, in flagrant violation of Colombia immigration policy, or engaged in illegal activities in the park. Quintero is a relentless publicity hound. Today he is in the media claiming credit on behalf of Gustavo Petro for the UK dropping visa requirements for Colombian tourists. Of course this is nothing Petro could have accomplished since August. It was Duque who pushed it through. So, you can now all take your favorite girls to London for up to 6 months at a time. Bon voyage!

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2753601]According to an article in the Vivir En Poblado publication, supposedly the Park is supposed to open by November 30, and according to the article, "four state of the art cameras will be installed that, according to Mayor Daniel Quintero, will perform facial recognition and will serve to measure noise levels."

So if you think about this, once the Park is complete, which I will be surprised if it is this year, but if, and when it's complete, I'm wondering how the facial recognition capabilities might be utilized besides identifying criminals in their databases who show up in the park and am wondering if foreign visitors will be able to be identified based on their Passport photo with their system.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753512]These things have absolutely.

No correlation..[/QUOTE]Hallelujah.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2753705]Hallelujah.[/QUOTE]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.

[QUOTE=Oterri;2753668]Sadly this stupid obsession to pay more than the market rate is something that has accelerated in past 20 years, partly due to information being available on open forums like this one. It is something that has affected pretty much all mongering destinations. I have a feeling that MDE rates will triple in next 3-5 years.[/QUOTE]Strangely enough I've heard the exact same prediction stated about 20 times over the past 8 years. There's always someone out there doing something that is going to cause the prices to rapidly change, or that will destroy the service.

However, you should consider a few points.

1. The price was brought down from 25-30 k by the first few waves of Venezuelan girls. Supply increases, without an increase in demand, prices go down. This started 5 years ago. Surfer500 and others reported on the competition and price decrease.

2. Over the same period inflation in Colombia has increased prices by 27%. That's not counting the price gouging which caused the price of many staples to increase dramatically during the pandemic. If everything costs more but pay doesn't rise, you've got problems. For an example look at the US labor market. Jobs paying $8-$10 per hour 2-3 years ago are paying $12-$16 today, or more and everyone is still begging for employees.

3. In the last 2 years demand has increased due to Colombia being one of the few mongering destinations without excessive travel restrictions. At the same time the influx of Venezuelans eased off. Demand increase without a supply increase, prices rise.

4. The rates in El Centro are so low that any increase looks like a big increase. Unless they want to carry around 2 kilos of coins, the minimum price increase is going to be 5 k. At today's rate that's a whopping $1. 05.

5. From the monger standpoint, 20 k in 2017 cost 30 cents more (in dollars) than 30 k today. The dramatic price increase is only an increase for the natives.

6. 5 years ago many mongers complained that they were getting the knock on the door after 20 minutes. This apparently hasn't changed. The guys who routinely visit El Centro have mentioned their strategies to get 30 minutes or more.

7. For as long as I've been here guys have been complaining about not getting BBBJ, or having to pay extra. When demand for BBBJ is high, the girls would be foolish not to charge extra. Personally I've never paid for BBBJ. When a girl asks whether I want it without or with a condom, I tell her it doesn't matter. If I don't care, she can't add an extra fee. More often than not, I get the BBBJ. That's basic negotiation. If you demand you have to have something, the value of that thing increases.

Price increases are inevitable. What I'll never understand is why some people can't grasp that. Plumbers charge more now than 5 years ago. Taxi drivers charge more. Hotels charge more. Mechanics charge more. Gas prices are up, food prices are up. The price of everything is up. Why is it shocking, or cause for doomsday predictions when the price of pussy goes up too?

I am an Asian (brown skin), don't know Spanish.

I travelled from USA to Colombia for a longer trip this time, hoping to travel 6 months in Colombia. My first / previous trip was a 3 day trip to Bogota in 2019.

Immigration: There were like 40 people in the foreigners' immigration queue and I was like last. No immigration form was necessary, at least in MDE airport. On my turn, I gave the passport to the officer. I also had the migration Colombia form and COVID vaccination proof, but the officer didn't ask for it. He saw my passport, the visa inside. He just asked 1 or 2 questions in Spanish. I caught the word 'vacation / tourism', I replied 'yes, tourisomo'. Visa stamped. I asked for how long. He said it says 3 months in the system.

Based on my experiences with immigration at BOG in 2019, and MDE now, with the same passport and same visa, I prefer MDE for my future entry.

ATM at airport: There were 1 or 2 ATMs at the lower level arrival, but there were 4 ATMs in upper level departures. As expected, the first ATM immediately after you clear customs has the longest queue. ATMs allow 300 k or 900 k withdrawal. At least 1 ATM had no fee. And you can withdraw multiple times.

Airport to Medellin: I read you could take a bus for 10-15 k that will drop you in San Diego mall, or take a taxi for 80 k pesos.

Mongering places: I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. This is good enough as it has wealth of information.

Stay: It seems the safer place to stay is Poblado or Laurels area.

But centro has more places of interest as per his map. In centro (downtown), WorldTraveller69 has mentioned to be safe near hospital and padro metro area, even during daytime. The area around parque barrio and San Antinio metro seems bit shady at night. But I heard the area to the east of Avenida Oriental is safe. I stayed in Centro near Avenida Oriental.

Travelling within Medellin: To travel in Medellin public transport system, you can buy Civica card at San Antiono (+few other) metro station. Take the escalator on the eastern side, and the civica card office is immediately on the right. It gives discounted ride on metro and metro bus - 2550 pesos, only way to ride tram, free / discounted transfers. Else, individual tickets can be bought for 2950 pesos.

Once you enter with the ticket, you can travel anywhere without paying additional, until you get out. Just for the price of one ticket, I travelled from San Antonio station to Santa Domingo to El Progreso to Niquia to San Javier to La Aurora to La Esterilla to Poblado. So, like 2-3 hour city tour for the price of 1 ticket.

Moovit app for bus: There are many private buses zig zagging the city. Move it app was very good in using these buses. All has fixed fare of 2550 or 2650 pesos. Driver gives back change. Most people pay exact fare, some pay 5 k. Rarely people pay 10 k or 20 k for a 2550 pesos ride, and still get the change.

Felt safe on most places: I covered most of the places by walk, metro, and private bus with the help of moovit app. I felt safe in all places. Some places near padro and hospital metro area seems bit shady even during day time, but still safe. Just keep walking without standing in a place, don't flash money or phone. Centro area (near parque barrio and San Antonio metro) are shady in the night. Some areas in centro seems safe at 8 or 9 pm since people are still travelling. Poblado, Laurels, Avenida Oriental and area to it's east felt safe at 8 pm.

Laundry:

La laundry. Cl52#39-12.22 k for 1 load full service (washing + drying + folding).

Lavamor Lavanderia. Cl53#40-15 8:30 am to 6 pm. 20 k for 1 load, they do washing & drying, pickup in 90 minutes. He was kind enough to allow me to fold clothes.

Laundry cafe in Laurels. Tr39 B#70-57.366. 90.12 or cell: 305 769.83. 91 laundry café. Co 24 k for 1 load self-washer+dryer. 30 k for full service (they do washing + drying + folding), if you give at 11 am or before, pickup at 6 pm. They also do pickup & delivery, I think Full service total cost is 40 k or 60 k.

- they also have another branch at Cl46#81-18.

Celver tu lavanderia. Cl56#43-09.13 k / kg full service (washing + drying + folding).

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Nether of us are saying yhat either. I agree chemistry is important.

But you can establish chemistry in 5 monutes. 5 weeks of stalking someone in Facebook. Is not necessary and adds no value unless its a pre-condition to having fun.

Thanks Moonshot. Good advice for guys going for the first time. Searched for FB groups and found like expat groups and general info groups, also one Medellin dating group I think. Are those the kind of groups you used?

Edit: Found it under reports of distinction, thanks again for all support!!!

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2753430]Wow, there is definitely a lot of debate and arguments about how to monger in Medellin. I am not going to join the debates but just try to return the discussion to posting information about trips to Medellin.

I am a newbie to Medellin and recently enjoyed my first trip to Medellin for a week. I am an older monger in my late 50's and do not speak much Spanish, just bare bones Spanish. I did not know much about Medellin prior to going other than reading a few things on this website and trip reports on another website and watching online videos.

Everything was fine. I did not get robbed or drugged. I saw a number of girls on FB and everyone provided a good GFE session. They were young and attractive and I was happy with their performance. That was my only source of girls in Medellin and it worked out just fine.

I went to Medellin. I had a good time. I had a budget and stayed within my budget and the money I spent was reasonable to me. That is all that matters to me. Now whether other guys would be upset with my spending habits is not important at all to me.

I will return to Medellin soon. I have a few old favorites now and hope to add to my list of old favorites on my next trip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Sex is an act. Like cooking food. You do not have to go in the back to buddy up with the chef in order for him to make you a great meal. Regardless he is going to follow the recipe that he knows.

Likewise no chick ever said we have chemistry so I am going to make my mouth or pussy wetter than I did when I was with the last guy that I did not have a connection with. Most people just have sex how they have sex. They can not make it really good for one person and really bad for the next person.

An exception is maybe they won't do something that you like or refuse to try something that you ask. But as far as your dick going into their mouth or pussy it is pretty standard and can not be altered depending on the connection they have with someone.

Still nobody ever says what bad sex is and what good sex is. What did this person do different that really blew your socks off and made you say wow that is good sex? Do you think they did it on purpose and said I am going to give him good sex, or was that just the way they have sex?

I agree about chemistry being crucial to the best time or at the very least you need a chica that tolerates you and is a good actress. But that may be personal taste as some guys may be happy to fuck a starfish. I don't think money has that direct a correlation to creating chemistry. There are centro guys that make good connections paying 40 k a pop. I don't doubt it because I've read the reports. I have had the worst times personally with some of the women I paid most for.

Where money may have more correlation is with the looks of your provider. But I honestly think venue is more important than looks for what they charge. Higher end venues have more stunners but they often also have average or even below average choices too. That's true of most strip clubs I've been in across the world, the casas I've been too and is certainly true online. We pay variations on the going rate of a venue for each chica rather than an independent, beauty-based price.

Of course money is even less clearly correlated to the nonpro game. Money can be a component of what makes you attractive but is rarely enough on its own and there are men, pimps in particular, who are pretty good at extracting money from and control over women due to their looks and charisma.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that I can think of, when sex with a hooker with whom I had no chemistry / connection, was actually good. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2753715]My experience, and experience of my monger friends, is completely opposite from his. There are very few exceptions that. Saying that there is no correlation between sex and chemistry sounds like a bullshit to me.[/QUOTE]Neither of us are saying that either. I agree chemistry is important.

But you can establish chemistry in 5 minutes. 5 weeks of stalking someone in Facebook is not necessary and adds no value unless its a pre-condition to having fun.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2753809]I agree about chemistry being crucial to the best time or at the very least you need a chica that tolerates you and is a good actress. But that may be personal taste as some guys may be happy to fuck a starfish...[/QUOTE]I am one monger who can tolerate a non GFE session, as long as the girl is above average in looks.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2753746]I am an Asian (brown skin), don't know Spanish.

I travelled from USA to Colombia for a longer trip this time, hoping to travel 6 months in Colombia. My first / previous trip was a 3 day trip to Bogota in 2019.

Immigration: There were like 40 people in the foreigners' immigration queue and I was like last. No immigration form was necessary, at least in MDE airport. On my turn, I gave the passport to the officer. I also had the migration Colombia form and COVID vaccination proof, but the officer didn't ask for it. He saw my passport, the visa inside. He just asked 1 or 2 questions in Spanish. I caught the word 'vacation / tourism', I replied 'yes, tourisomo'. Visa stamped. I asked for how long. He said it says 3 months in the system.

Based on my experiences with immigration at BOG in 2019, and MDE now, with the same passport and same visa, I prefer MDE for my future entry.

.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the great, factual FR.

I was wondering if its worth it taking a centro girl to your hotel. Is the cost the same or does it depending on location? Should and how would you negotiate travel to and from the hotel?

TIA.

A note: This forum has devolved to Paleolithic times. Seriously 75% of the last 50 pages should all be in "Stupid Shit in Medellíand". This topic is "Medellin Reports". No wonder so many noobies are posting with their hands out, it is damn near impossible to find good information. Anyways.

The biggest piece of advice. Learn Spanish. Especially listening. It makes such a huge difference when you can have a conversation with someone. Fuck duo lingo, use Pimsluer, find tutors online, go to Spanish language exchange meetups in your city. Get your practice in. You'll regret it if you show up with nothing.

Security Stuff:

I have 3 wallets, 3 debit cards (with less than 500 on them and NOT set to auto refill) and 3 phones. I never take my main phone anywhere, it is always locked in my safe. This way, if I get mugged, I have 0 hesitation in giving my stuff away. My contacts sync to the cloud. It will suck to lose the SIM card and WhatsApp chats but that's life.

Financial stuff:

There's a banking service app Revolut. It has a max withdrawal of $1000 USD / mo, but the fee afterwards is super reasonable (. 5% I have tried all the major ATMs and found Davienda to give me the best rate (after declining the ATMs conversion of course), it's about 3-4 percent off the exchange and no fee.

Getting around:

I've been using indriver for everything. Usually only a few minutes, love the cash payment after, great way to get rid of coins as a tip. Drivers friendly.

Saturday. Went to Luna Lunera around 6/7 pm, very few people in there. 20 k entry. Minimum 3 beer bucket 75 k for a seat next to the poles (though not a whole lot of dancing going on). Lady drinks 25 k. If you come to Medellin to bang 9's /10's then don't bother, but I had a good time groping the ladies and handing them 2 k bills (when the mesero changes it for you, he'll keep a 2 k bill for himself. He tells you this). Took a lady up, she was so cute and tight tiny body. We talked about kissing and ball sucking but neither actually happened. She had lied to me making an excuse about cameras in the room and how she would get in trouble. I almost walked out but I was so horny and she was still quite sensual pushing her body against me and kissing my neck. That being said, I would not repeat because what bullshit. She still had the nerve to ask for a tip after. 210 k for 30 minutes (310 k for 60), but knock was definitely closer to 15-20 minutes. Long day of travel went to apartment to sleep.

Sunday. Spent the day getting situated, groceries, seeing the area around my apartment. Oh and a seeking date! We met during the day and I took her to the cat cafe. She was not into it LOL! We went to a love motel after (my apartment has a no prostitutes rule and while she was dressed very cute, it bordered the line, and I wanted to play it safe). I intentionally didn't ask for specific activities because she seemed quite timid and I wanted to take it slow because I'm hoping to see her again and develop something more naturally. Anyways, we'll see how that goes. 200 k.

Met up with a board member and we had a nice chat and beers at the bar under San peters apartments. The owner came by and gave everyone a drink ticket for the next visit and a free shot of rum! We decided to head out to La Isla but got there too early (8) and the place was empty. Met up with a random other American who found the same issue and the 3 of us headed to Poblado to burn a bit of time before heading back. This was fun and I realized that more than anything else, it would be great to have a buddy or two on my trips.

After heading back to La Isla, we paid a cover fee of 50 k and then had to buy a bottle for 280 k (this included a service fee) in order to have any kind of proper seating. Mesero seated us then glared at us until we picked something haha. I really liked this place, the girls were very cute and there was lots of quick lap dances and you could just pull anyone walking by or flag anyone over to sit down and chat. Almost all American / foreign clientele. Crispest 2 k bills I've ever seen and no forced propina (though I gave one anyways). The music wasn't too loud, the bathroom was nice. I also had some very sweet conversations and got a few phone numbers. Take out for later because the price seemed stupid - 210 k for 3 private dances, 310 k for 30 minutes in a habitation, I would rather get to know them better, see if they laugh at my terrible jokes and get a better session that's more like a date.

None of us took anyone back and we went to luna lunera. The fellas weren't super impressed but I was having a great time. The ladies recognized me from the night before lmao. I was also a dirty mother fucker that day and was wearing the same outfit from the night before. In my defense, it had only been a couple hours of wear the day before and smelled fine! This time the lady who impressed me with her dancing promised me no upsell or bullshit, but then still asked for a propina for ball sucking which I gave in to, she was doing a good job. She was on her phone a few times which bugged me but apparently she owns a business and it had gotten robbed. I heard her mother weeping retelling the story to her when our session was over. I don't know why we continued, I suppose she would've gotten in trouble for stopping the session for any reason. Really sucky situation.

I chided everyone on my way up for the earlier knock the last time. This time it was only 4 minutes early, but still, early is early. I scolded the maid. Buddies still had fun getting lap dances it turns out. We were done and got some food in poblado and went our separate ways.

More tales to come! I rented a second place for an upcoming weekend where I can properly host some of Medellin's finest ladies. I'll let why'all know how that goes. I recognize I've been acting like a silly gringo, but that ends now, no more excuses.

Hit me up if you're here! Looking to do normal stuff as well.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2753881]A note: This forum has devolved to Paleolithic times. Seriously 75% of the last 50 pages should all be in "Stupid Shit in Medelland". This topic is "Medellin Reports". No wonder so many noobies are posting with their hands out, it is damn near impossible to find good information. Anyways.

The biggest piece of advice. Learn Spanish. Especially listening. It makes such a huge difference when you can have a conversation with someone. Fuck duo lingo, use Pimsluer, find tutors online, go to Spanish language exchange meetups in your city. Get your practice in. You'll regret it if you show up with nothing. [/QUOTE]My man! Appreciate the report. There is so much bickering between adults but between you, JjBee62, and WorldTravel69 map, I'll be good.

I'll be in town Tuesday 10/25 for about a week. Staying in the heart of the beast at Hotel Nutibara. I know how to move in not so safe areas so I'll be good. I stayed in the slums in Bogota and was fine.

My Spanish is horrible but it'll have to do as I do not have enough time to learn anything of significance by next week.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2753683]The same databases that power the American Global Entry system, Interpol's CCTV feeds, and yes Colombia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs migration unit will presumably be available to and fed by what goes up in Parque Lleras. I don't see it as a big deal for anyone who isn't a fugitive from justice, in flagrant violation of Colombia immigration policy, or engaged in illegal activities in the park. Quintero is a relentless publicity hound. Today he is in the media claiming credit on behalf of Gustavo Petro for the UK dropping visa requirements for Colombian tourists. Of course this is nothing Petro could have accomplished since August. It was Duque who pushed it through. So, you can now all take your favorite girls to London for up to 6 months at a time. Bon voyage![/QUOTE]So, trade Colombian food for British cuisine?

I will take a Sunday roast or Ploughman's Lunch any day over arepas or bandeja paisa any day of the week.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2753908]So, trade Colombian food for British cuisine?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Andersson25;2753777]Thanks Moonshot. Good advice for guys going for the first time. Searched for FB groups and found like expat groups and general info groups, also one Medellin dating group I think. Are those the kind of groups you used?

Edit: Found it under reports of distinction, thanks again for all support!!![/QUOTE]I didn't join any FB groups. I just started searching for girls in Medellin and asked to be their friend. It just started to grow from there. You can also look at their friends list if it is open. I also used a technique where you can look at reactions to their posts and usually there are a few gringos. Then you look at their FB page and you can steal their contacts by just looking at who reacts to their posts. For example, I started with one girl and she posted a picture and there were two gringos who reacted to her picture. I went to their FB profile and they had over 60 girls who reacted to their post so I just checked out every girl and asked to be friends with most of them. Then I would go through the process again with each girl. Before you know it, you have hundreds of FB friends who are attractive girls in Medellin.

Once that happens, FB will start recommending young attractive girls in Medellin to you and you just start asking to be their friends. Also FB starts recommending you to young attractive girls in Medellin and they will ask to be your friend.

Now I have 830 FB friends so I am slowing down now and being much more selective. I am also starting to defriend a number of FB girls now because they no longer make the cut or they are asking too much money. You don't need to have 830 FB girls but it doesn't hurt in allowing you to have options when you are in town.

Has anyone used Revolut cards to get money out of ATMs? Are there any fees or advantages of using Revolut vs regular bank cards like Chase, etc. Also, has anyone used Revolut to wire transfer funds to pay for rent, etc in Colombia?

More than anything else it depends on the girl. It's helpful to check them out in one of the short time places to decide whether you want to take it further. I'm not sure what you mean by "negotiate travel. " I suspect you are referring to paying more money. My advice about that is to negotiate a fee that includes the sex acts you specify and the girl's presence in your room for the time it tacks to perform them. As a guideline, 30 K is the prevailing rate for a "rato" (about 30 minutes or 1 pop, whichever comes first). I've never had a girl refuse 50 K for a trip to my place. A couple of caveats, my 50 K fee generally includes an open bar and food if they want it, also my sample size of houseguests is small because I'm much more selective about who I bring home compared to who I bring up into one of the no tell hotels in Centro.

[QUOTE=Marxh;2753874]I was wondering if its worth it taking a centro girl to your hotel. Is the cost the same or does it depending on location? Should and how would you negotiate travel to and from the hotel?

TIA.[/QUOTE]

I don't use Revolut. I assume it involves fees as mentioned by the original poster. I do use a few banks that don't charge ATM transaction fees and I only use the Colombia bank ATMs that don't charge transaction fees so I don't pay transaction fees ever. There is a long list of posts about various debit card issuers. As I mentioned I have a few of them and I don't care about anything other than limits and fees. When I say fees I am referring to the hidden variety as well as the per transaction variety. I consider minimum balances a hidden fee for example.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2754007]Has anyone used Revolut cards to get money out of ATMs? Are there any fees or advantages of using Revolut vs regular bank cards like Chase, etc. Also, has anyone used Revolut to wire transfer funds to pay for rent, etc in Colombia?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marxh;2753874]I was wondering if its worth it taking a centro girl to your hotel. Is the cost the same or does it depending on location? Should and how would you negotiate travel to and from the hotel?

TIA.[/QUOTE]It is going to be more expensive, and it has to be negotiated upfront. Not an option for a quick, but ok if you want to spend 2 hours. I suggest you to test the girl, and if you like her, you'll bring her home on the next run. It's risky to take a girl from El Centro to your place, if you don't know her. Some are drug addict and they may even carry a knife to defend themself from the guys who want to still their profits. Test before, that is my suggestion.

Just checked the USD to COP rate at [URL]XE.com[/URL] at 16:55 UTC the rate was 4,831.

Is there something going on as to why it's been climbing so much lately, I doubt it has any thing to do with Petro, and who knows when it will hit 5,000.

[QUOTE=JustIncognito;2753646][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQWdbeFW40[/URL]

Found the girls who drugged and robbed with Scopolamine and this is what happened- Part 1.

This is pretty cool and interesting.

Shady criminal chica caught after drugging the wrong people.[/QUOTE]Great video, props to the dude who got drugged and was willing to share his experience with the world. I'm curious to see part 2, they were talking about him getting his stuff back. The more just result would be these bitches get charged with attempted murder.

Also interesting was that it exactly fit in the same stereotypical pattern. Dude finds girl on tinder and she is super eager to come straight to his apartment to bang him with no discussion of money. In this case he specifically asked if they wanted $ and said he didn't like to pay. She of course said no I'm not a prostitute. If it seems too good to be true....

[QUOTE=Bdararre;2753893]My man! Appreciate the report. There is so much bickering between adults but between you, JjBee62, and WorldTravel69 map, I'll be good.

I'll be in town Tuesday 10/25 for about a week. Staying in the heart of the beast at Hotel Nutibara. I know how to move in not so safe areas so I'll be good. I stayed in the slums in Bogota and was fine.

My Spanish is horrible but it'll have to do as I do not have enough time to learn anything of significance by next week.[/QUOTE]In everyone else's defense, I'm probably the worst offender when it comes to bickering. However, if I was helpful, I'm glad and I hope your trip is spectacular.

The bickering has always been here, always will be. Combined, there are several hundred years of mongering experience here. Each person has their own style and each person wonders why everyone else doesn't see the benefits of doing what they do. Ego clashes are inevitable.

You come at a good time. The US dollar is at 4,800+ today.

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2753881]A note: This forum has devolved to Paleolithic times. Seriously 75% of the last 50 pages should all be in "Stupid Shit in Medelland". This topic is "Medellin Reports". No wonder so many noobies are posting with their hands out, it is damn near impossible to find good information. Anyways.

The biggest piece of advice. Learn Spanish. Especially listening. It makes such a huge difference when you can have a conversation with someone. Fuck duo lingo, use Pimsluer, find tutors online, go to Spanish language exchange meetups in your city. Get your practice in. You'll regret it if you show up with nothing.

Security Stuff:

I have 3 wallets, 3 debit cards (with less than 500 on them and NOT set to auto refill) and 3 phones. I never take my main phone anywhere, it is always locked in my safe. This way, if I get mugged, I have 0 hesitation in giving my stuff away. My contacts sync to the cloud. It will suck to lose the SIM card and WhatsApp chats but that's life.

Financial stuff:

There's a banking service app Revolut. It has a max withdrawal of $1000 USD / mo, but the fee afterwards is super reasonable (. 5% I have tried all the major ATMs and found Davienda to give me the best rate (after declining the ATMs conversion of course), it's about 3-4 percent off the exchange and no fee.

Getting around:

I've been using indriver for everything. Usually only a few minutes, love the cash payment after, great way to get rid of coins as a tip. Drivers friendly.

Saturday. Went to Luna Lunera around 6/7 pm, very few people in there. 20 k entry. Minimum 3 beer bucket 75 k for a seat next to the poles (though not a whole lot of dancing going on). Lady drinks 25 k. If you come to Medellin to bang 9's /10's then don't bother, but I had a good time groping the ladies and handing them 2 k bills (when the mesero changes it for you, he'll keep a 2 k bill for himself. He tells you this). Took a lady up, she was so cute and tight tiny body. We talked about kissing and ball sucking but neither actually happened. She had lied to me making an excuse about cameras in the room and how she would get in trouble. I almost walked out but I was so horny and she was still quite sensual pushing her body against me and kissing my neck. That being said, I would not repeat because what bullshit. She still had the nerve to ask for a tip after. 210 k for 30 minutes (310 k for 60), but knock was definitely closer to 15-20 minutes. Long day of travel went to apartment to sleep.

Sunday. Spent the day getting situated, groceries, seeing the area around my apartment. Oh and a seeking date! We met during the day and I took her to the cat cafe. She was not into it LOL! We went to a love motel after (my apartment has a no prostitutes rule and while she was dressed very cute, it bordered the line, and I wanted to play it safe). I intentionally didn't ask for specific activities because she seemed quite timid and I wanted to take it slow because I'm hoping to see her again and develop something more naturally. Anyways, we'll see how that goes. 200 k.

Met up with a board member and we had a nice chat and beers at the bar under San peters apartments. The owner came by and gave everyone a drink ticket for the next visit and a free shot of rum! We decided to head out to La Isla but got there too early (8) and the place was empty. Met up with a random other American who found the same issue and the 3 of us headed to Poblado to burn a bit of time before heading back. This was fun and I realized that more than anything else, it would be great to have a buddy or two on my trips.

After heading back to La Isla, we paid a cover fee of 50 k and then had to buy a bottle for 280 k (this included a service fee) in order to have any kind of proper seating. Mesero seated us then glared at us until we picked something haha. I really liked this place, the girls were very cute and there was lots of quick lap dances and you could just pull anyone walking by or flag anyone over to sit down and chat. Almost all American / foreign clientele. Crispest 2 k bills I've ever seen and no forced propina (though I gave one anyways). The music wasn't too loud, the bathroom was nice. I also had some very sweet conversations and got a few phone numbers. Take out for later because the price seemed stupid - 210 k for 3 private dances, 310 k for 30 minutes in a habitation, I would rather get to know them better, see if they laugh at my terrible jokes and get a better session that's more like a date.

None of us took anyone back and we went to luna lunera. The fellas weren't super impressed but I was having a great time. The ladies recognized me from the night before lmao. I was also a dirty mother fucker that day and was wearing the same outfit from the night before. In my defense, it had only been a couple hours of wear the day before and smelled fine! This time the lady who impressed me with her dancing promised me no upsell or bullshit, but then still asked for a propina for ball sucking which I gave in to, she was doing a good job. She was on her phone a few times which bugged me but apparently she owns a business and it had gotten robbed. I heard her mother weeping retelling the story to her when our session was over. I don't know why we continued, I suppose she would've gotten in trouble for stopping the session for any reason. Really sucky situation.

I chided everyone on my way up for the earlier knock the last time. This time it was only 4 minutes early, but still, early is early. I scolded the maid. Buddies still had fun getting lap dances it turns out. We were done and got some food in poblado and went our separate ways.

More tales to come! I rented a second place for an upcoming weekend where I can properly host some of Medellin's finest ladies. I'll let why'all know how that goes. I recognize I've been acting like a silly gringo, but that ends now, no more excuses.

Hit me up if you're here! Looking to do normal stuff as well.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BbqMushrooms;2753881]A note: This forum has devolved to Paleolithic times. Seriously 75% of the last 50 pages should all be in "Stupid Shit in Medelland". This topic is "Medellin Reports". No wonder so many noobies are posting with their hands out, it is damn near impossible to find good information. [/QUOTE]Come on man, who cares what others think about which girl is better looking. Its all subjective anyway. Philosophy is so much more enriching.

Mr E. I respect the hell out of you. You are near legend status. But you got this dead wrong.

Now, there are countless types of mongers: trophy hunters, bargain hunters, high volume guys, etc. So we all seek something different. And I can only give you my experience. But chemistry has been the most vital aspect. There is a huge difference when a girl wants to please you or when she's checking the boxes. I get that chemistry isn't necessary to dip your stick. But in my experience, chemistry is a multiplier. Really, without exception.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753780]Sex is an act. Like cooking food. You do not have to go in the back to buddy up with the chef in order for him to make you a great meal. Regardless he is going to follow the recipe that he knows.

Likewise no chick ever said we have chemistry so I am going to make my mouth or pussy wetter than I did when I was with the last guy that I did not have a connection with. Most people just have sex how they have sex. They can not make it really good for one person and really bad for the next person.

An exception is maybe they won't do something that you like or refuse to try something that you ask. But as far as your dick going into their mouth or pussy it is pretty standard and can not be altered depending on the connection they have with someone.

Still nobody ever says what bad sex is and what good sex is. What did this person do different that really blew your socks off and made you say wow that is good sex? Do you think they did it on purpose and said I am going to give him good sex, or was that just the way they have sex?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2754002]I will take a Sunday roast or Ploughman's Lunch any day over arepas or bandeja paisa any day of the week.[/QUOTE]British cuisine is an oxymoron.

If you check the charts the dollar began its rocket ship like climb against the peso beginning about two weeks before election day. It has not pulled back in any meaningful way since then and has reached new highs more than ten times. If it was not Petro's election I don't know what else it could be. I don't feel like it much matters to most of us what the reason is. 5,000 looks well within reach. It will make life extremely difficult for anybody earning their living or relying on a pension in pesos.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754023]Just checked the USD to COP rate at [URL]XE.com[/URL] at 16:55 UTC the rate was 4,831.

Is there something going on as to why it's been climbing so much lately, I doubt it has any thing to do with Petro, and who knows when it will hit 5,000.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2754099]Mr E. I respect the hell out of you. You are near legend status. But you got this dead wrong.

Now, there are countless types of mongers: trophy hunters, bargain hunters, high volume guys, etc. So we all seek something different. And I can only give you my experience. But chemistry has been the most vital aspect. There is a huge difference when a girl wants to please you or when she's checking the boxes. I get that chemistry isn't necessary to dip your stick. But in my experience, chemistry is a multiplier. Really, without exception.[/QUOTE]Chemistry will also get you the awesome BBFS with TLN's. That's how I roll.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2754048]In everyone else's defense, I'm probably the worst offender when it comes to bickering. However, if I was helpful, I'm glad and I hope your trip is spectacular.

The bickering has always been here, always will be. Combined, there are several hundred years of mongering experience here. Each person has their own style and each person wonders why everyone else doesn't see the benefits of doing what they do. Ego clashes are inevitable.[/QUOTE]I disagree completely about the ideal that there is now or ever has been any bickering going on up in here, never has there been any bickering about which is better Facebook or El Centro, Casas or Strip clubs. Or who is stupid enough to go up into Parque Lleras and pay 200 K for a short time, let alone go up into Gustos and pay $200 for TLN. Never read any bickering about whether its worth paying more for good looking woman when you can get what's just at hand and available for cheaper. Never heard any bickering about how much one should pay a chica for her taxi, No sir! Never has there been any bickering up in here. And for the record my way of mongering is the best way and I do not understand why everyone doesn't just do it all like me.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2754099]Mr E. I respect the hell out of you. You are near legend status. But you got this dead wrong.

Now, there are countless types of mongers: trophy hunters, bargain hunters, high volume guys, etc. So we all seek something different. And I can only give you my experience. But chemistry has been the most vital aspect. There is a huge difference when a girl wants to please you or when she's checking the boxes. I get that chemistry isn't necessary to dip your stick. But in my experience, chemistry is a multiplier. Really, without exception.[/QUOTE]Here's an exception.

Sexually I tend towards dominant. I control the flow, the positions and the tempo. Occasionally I'll have a girl who I've really connected with, but once the clothes come off she wants to drive. It ends up being completely unsatisfactory.

Here's another exception which I'm dealing with now. My girlfriend is too submissive, sexually. The chemistry is off the charts. 50 consecutive days together, her without a single other person to talk to and there wasn't so much as a frown. Every movie I picked she was thrilled with. She loved all of the food I introduced her to, and it was all good times.

However, unless I pushed myself to be more dominant, the sex was good, not great. When I went full dominant, it was great, but I had to operate outside of my comfort zone.

And here's a no chemistry exception which I've run into a couple of times. Find yourself stuck in a social situation with a girl you don't like and who doesn't like you. Add alcohol. Add that you're both horny and then end up alone with the girl. The sex can be downright explosive.

[QUOTE=ILikeButts;2754026]Great video, props to the dude who got drugged and was willing to share his experience with the world. I'm curious to see part 2, they were talking about him getting his stuff back. The more just result would be these bitches get charged with attempted murder.

Also interesting was that it exactly fit in the same stereotypical pattern. Dude finds girl on tinder and she is super eager to come straight to his apartment to bang him with no discussion of money. In this case he specifically asked if they wanted $ and said he didn't like to pay. She of course said no I'm not a prostitute. If it seems too good to be true....[/QUOTE]Back in Sihanukville. Cambodia- I have witnessed during my stay of 3 months 4 people drugged (plus the stories you hear from others). Same as with Scopolamine they were still walking like zombies a couple of days later, drawsy etc but they usually had a "financial agreement" before. Personally I have only a couple beers alone before hunting, I don't smoke and most important I never let the lady sleep with me and talking about money is the first job of the mission.

I know a lot of the girls leave during Christmas to go home to be with families. When in December do they start leaving? Dec 8 is a national holiday (Feast of the Immaculate Conception). Are the bars open on this holiday, and do the girls still hang out in Centro?

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2754099]Mr E. I respect the hell out of you. You are near legend status. But you got this dead wrong.

Now, there are countless types of mongers: trophy hunters, bargain hunters, high volume guys, etc. So we all seek something different. And I can only give you my experience. But chemistry has been the most vital aspect. There is a huge difference when a girl wants to please you or when she's checking the boxes. I get that chemistry isn't necessary to dip your stick. But in my experience, chemistry is a multiplier. Really, without exception.[/QUOTE]Me and you prefer fine dining experience (yes, experience, not just the food we put in our stomachs) while he prefers a burrito to go. What amazes me is that he thinks that to dip his stick in a random girl without chemistry is the norm and can't get any better. High volume guy's set of mind. Fortunately, having sex for many of us is not equal to taking a shit or brushing teeth.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2754117]If you check the charts the dollar began its rocket ship like climb against the peso beginning about two weeks before election day. It has not pulled back in any meaningful way since then and has reached new highs more than ten times. If it was not Petro's election I don't know what else it could be. I don't feel like it much matters to most of us what the reason is. 5,000 looks well within reach. It will make life extremely difficult for anybody earning their living or relying on a pension in pesos.[/QUOTE]The US Federal Reserve has been raising the Fed Funds Rate in order to tamp down inflation. The US Treasury rates have risen accordingly, which leads to a strong Dollar. If you check the exchange rates against almost all the world's major currencies you will find the Dollar has been super strong. (Euro, Pound, Yen.) So Petro's election isn't the obvious cause. There are many other factors.

I don't speak spanish. Though I know some words and sentences in Spanish, I cannot talk in spanish. I almost always have to use translate app.

I had session with 11 girls in 12 days. All oral and sex was with condom. Some or all girls might have done atleast BJ without condom for more money. No one allowed DFK, about 2 allowed namesake lip to lip kiss for 1 or 2 seconds, half of them are fine with kissing on their face, forehead, neck. Even though 1 hour sessions sounds good value for money, I found most girls lose interest after 30 minutes. So I stick with 30 minutes unless the girl was still going good then I extend more.

I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. I am sharing here mostly the info that would be useful to update the list and map.

For all the places below, the info before ' is what I gathered from the list and map, the info after ' is my contribution, hopefully to update the list and map database.

I took photos for some of the places, please let me know if you / WorldTraveler69 needs it.

El Chagualo. West of the Hospital Metro.

2. La Casa de Doña Fanny. Corner of Cl61#53-08: At 4 pm Sat, 6 chicas, rating 5/10. Not much English friendly, didn't ask price since I am not doing anyway.

3. Calle 61 # 53-16 ?piso 2.7 pm: At 4 pm Sat, closed as expected.

4. OVO Wiskerya, Cl61#53-40 next to #42.7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, door was open to take a sneak peak, but business was not yet open as expected.

5. Name? CL 61 # 53-66, piso 2. 7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, it was open. About 8 chicas, rating 5/10. The setting was more like restaurant bar than casa.

6. Sala de Masajes Doña Esneda, Cl61 (Moore)#53-78, piso 2: Seems no more, on ringing the bell, an 8 year old boy answered from piso 2, in Spanish.

Prado. East of the Prado Metro Station.

1. * Casa de Piedra, or Lindas Chicas, Cl58 (Av. Oriental)#50 a-54, Brown Stone Wall with White Metal Gate: At 4:30 pm Sat, it was closed (locked inside), no indication of it is occupied.

2. Barcelona. Sala de Massajes, Cl59 (Cuba)#50-12: The notice outside in spanish seems to say they moved to Cl59#49-22, but the girl at Cl59#49-22 told no chica.

3. Hotel Balcones de Cuba, Cl59#46-44, Room 301: Not there in map. Also, couldn't find. The female receptionist on piso 2 on the SW corner of Cl59&Cr47 told no massajo.

4. Traviesas Sexi, Calle 58 #45 d-104: Man inside told no chica / massajo.

5. Casa Cuba, Cr48#58-64? Maybe 68: #64 is a shop, #68 - no chica. Either no one opened or the lady inside told no chica.

Los Angeles. East of Carrera 46 (Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Pamela (ex Paisa Relax) – Sala de Masajes, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-71, piso 2: Found but closed.

2. Dulce Compania, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-55:6 chicas at 6 pm wed, was told more chicas at sat noon. On Sat 2:45 pm, 6 chicas, about 6/10 rating. Didn't do session.

3. Club de Amigas Sexy. Sala de Masajes, Cr45 d #57-67: Notice says 3 k cover, was not charged, maybe for the entry to the small bar. 5 chicas on wed 6 pm. On Sat 3 pm, 8 chicas, rating 6-7/10.55 k /30 min 70 k /45 min 85 k /60 min. The girl showered on a nice request. Shower water is cold.

4. *Aiffe. Sala de Masajes, Cl57 (Argentina)#43-27: Wed 5 pm 3-4 chicas, my shower optional she won't. Mon 5 pm, 6 chicas. The girl was bit friendly and showered as I asked. Sun 4 pm, 4 chicas. 50 k /30 min 85 k / HR. Open till 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. In their logbook, almost every one did session for 50 k.

5. *New Life. Sala de Masajes, Cl56 (Bolivia)#43-39, piso 2: 3 k viewing fee, price increased from Aug1 5 k /15 min. So 60 k /30 min 80 k /45 100 k /60.1st time wed 4 pm: about 5-8 chicas. The girl I had insisted I shower, but she won't. 2nd time Tues. 4 pm: 10 chicas, she showered as I nicely asked to shower for 1 minute. 3rd time Sun 4 pm: shown 10 chicas and 5 more might have been occupied. She showered as I requested. She asked for tip at end, but I didn't encourage tip. She told no English, but for this, she spoke good English for this: 'tip. Tip for me'.

6. Cl54 #42-13 Turcos paradise: closed / couldn't find.

7. Cr43 #55-xx. : closed / couldn't find.

8. Cr43 #55-49. Divine women: No more, new resident. Please remove from map.

9. Cr45 #55-45. Akami. : No more, new family resident. Please remove from map.

La Candelaria. East of and between the Prado Metro and Parque Berrio Stations and West of Cr 46.

(Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Closed or Moved-Casa de Fantasias, Cl57 (La Paz) #50-19: Lady on piso 3 told no chica.

2. Masajes Zanday, Cr47#57 a-34, piso 2. Sun 10 am-4 pm: 7 chicas at Fri 6:30 pm, 80 k / HR, she showered. Closed at Sun 3 pm.

3. Safari. Sala de Masajes), Cr 46 #57 a-21, piso 3. 6+. 35 k /30 min 55 k / HR. 304-569-92-41,231 09 88, cell 310 837 71 39. Mon-Sat 10 am-7 pm. : No one opened Mon 5 pm.

4. Locuras? (ex-Odisea), Cl57 a#46-10 (Barbacoa and Oriental), piso 2 or 3: Girl opened door on piso2, rooms with bed on piso3, few smoking, but told no chica.

5. Paris Club, Cr47 (Sucre) #56-34: Guy inside told no chica, but saw a chica on stairs in lingerie, also selling / displayed lingerie.

6. Chicas Punto Com, Cl54 (Caracas)#49-97, piso 2, Inside Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas, across from El Cid: Armona Spa, 321 755 51 20. Sat 5 pm, couldn't find 97, but this was the only one on 97 piso2 across EL Cid. 10 chicas. 6/10 rating. The girl I had had attitude, showered reluctantly only after arguing. Only 1 shot and she told no more touching, shower water cold. 55 k /30 min, 75/30. In the chica logbook, it was mentioned 40, so I assume 40 goes to girl and 15 to the establishment.

7. Yakusa. Sala de Masajes (Next to Hotel Deseos), Cr50 a#53-38 (Av. Maracaibo): On Sat 5 pm, 3 chicas, 5/10 rating.

8. Zaza, Cr47 (Sucre)#53-42: Thu 3 pm Didn't like any of 5 chicas. Info on the visiting card: Latinas Sexi, Cell 311 484 87 90, servicios 50 why 70, PROMOCION 80 MIL.

CENTRO.

Taberna Montijos, Diagonal 50 (Transversal 49) #50-25? #50-15: not in map.

Bombona. East of Avenida Oriental.

1. Natalia, Cl49 (Av. Ayacucho)#43-68:60 k /30 min 90 k / HR? 70 k /45 min. Thu 1 pm. 5 chicas. Owner spoke ok english. She showered. Sun 5 pm door was closed (not sure if it is locked) and there was a bicycle blocking the door. So, I assumed it is closed.

2. Cl48 #43-63. Motel mementos plaza. : Couldn't find.

ESTADIO / La 70 - W. Of Rio Medellin, Estadadio metro.

1. Acuabella – Sala de Masajes, Cl50 (Colombia) #78 a-11.3. 40 k /30 min Massage and HJ, 70 k same but she takes her clothes off, 100 k / HR FS. Tel: Hours: The entire street (Cl50#78 a-1 to end) is a big wall.

2. Oriental Spa, Cl49 b#77 a-28 (a 1 cuadra de la 4 ta brigada). Prices: _ (57) 315 787 1294.11 am-9 pm, Sun 10 am-6 pm. [URL]https://www.orientalspa.co/:[/URL] At 5 pm Thu, lady opened the door and asked me to come at 6 pm or next day. 100 k /60.

3. Los Angeles de Charlei, Cl51#74-53? Prices? +57 313 525 62 66.24 hrs.

Scort-masajes-why-erotismo-en-medellin-24-horas. Negocio: site not in map, and it is a big apartment complex with parking lot, pedestrian+car gate closed with security in front. We need to know the apartment number, then we need to clear the security gate.

4. Energy. Sala de Masajes, Cr74#49-101, near Cl50 (Colombia) right next to the Stadium. 15-20.135 k+/30 min 145 k /40 min 160 k+/ HR. (See website for prices). 436 11 31,416 83 32, out of country (574) 230 66 08.9 am-9:30 pm, ?xSu. [URL]http://fantasiasenergy.com/index.html.[/URL] Their fb page says [URL]https://chicasenergy.com/[/URL], 130 k /30 160 k /60 min. About 8 chicas at 3 pm Thu, most of them 6-7/10 rating. I paid 160 k for 1 hour and was told no more after 1 shot at 30 minutes. I said I paid for 1 hour, and the girl told me I can stay in the room for 1 hour. Without her LOL. When I told the management, the 2 ladies didn't care and told me to call policia. It's a rip off - 160 k for 1 shot 30 minutes.

El Velodromo. West of Rio Medellin.

1. Tantra Medellin "Donde mi Rey", Cr80#44 b-139.7-8. 80 k /30 min, 100 k /45 min, 130 k / HR FS. 412 7059, Cell: 314 8403 745, Cell: 301 365 18 69.10 am-10 pm.

[URL]http://www.tantramedellin.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tantramedellin[/URL].

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/tantramedellindondemirey/?hl=en[/URL] 3 chicas about 6/10 rating at 5:30 pm Thu. 120 k /45 min 150 k /60 min, no 30 minute. It's expensive, so didn't proceed.

BOLIVARIANA.

3. Name? Next door to BMW Autos (10-26-2021).

Cr68 A#43-13, Piso?. 4-5.70 k /30 min 100 k / HR. Tel? Hours? Not in list.

CONQUISTADORES. West of the Rio Medellin, behind Cerro Nutibara.

1. Luna Lunera 33, Av. 33#63 b-219.10-15. Cover 50 k (or 15 k, 2 drink minimum), Beers 15 k, Drinks 50 k, 110 k /30 min, 100 k exit fee. PBX (574) 235 4700, Cell: 3206646061, 310 835 7020.24/7. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LUNA-Lunera-33-435027583252262/[/URL].

[URL]http://lunalunera.com.co/start/:[/URL] 210 k /45 min. 310 k for 2 girls for 1 HR.

2. Samsara Club, Av. 33#65-09.6-10. Beers 3 k, 50 k /30 min 60 k / HR. (57) (4)2657123, Cell: 31463828 93.10 am-10 pm, Fri-Sun 10 am-6 am. : Guy sitting outside told no / casa. I felt he knew I am there for chica. So, I left assuming it's not a chica place.

3. LOS Angeles, Cl33#65 c-10, Int 201, near the Carbonsito Disco. 5-7. 75 k /45 min 100 k / HR, prices go.

Up at night. 351 50 29.24/7 with appointments, or Thu-Sat 8 pm-6 am: 2 xbell (rang twice or there were 2 bells), no body seems to be there. No 'Carbonsito' nearby, only tea shop.

4. Kassandra. Sala de Masajes, Av. 33#66 b-107? Masajistas. Prices? (57) (4) 426 5122. Cell: (57) 312 890 9020.24/7: A black guy told 'no masaje.'

5. Sala de Masajes Eroticos, Cr66 b#33-07, interior 202. ? Chicas. Prices?. +57 300 235 0414. Mon-Sat 10:30 am-8 pm Sunday / Festivals 12 noon-6 pm.

[URL]https://www.eroticosenlaciudad.com/clasificados-eroticos/colombia/es/salasde-masajes/medellin/spa-para-caballeros.php:[/URL] rang 202, no one there.

6. Eros Spa. Cr81 a#34 a-15 Apt 301.4-7. 70-100 k / HR. Tel: Call First, WhatsApp: 322-202-5690.24/7. Apartment complex with security. I felt the security knows what is going on. Took elevator to 3rd floor. Door 301 opened after like 2 minutes after ringing the bell few times. I was not allowed to enter 301, but a girl immediately took me to the 4th floor apt upstairs. 12 chicas at 6:30 pm Thu. 70 k /60 min, no 30 minute option.

7. Hostal Malevaje (Bar), Av. 33#76-85, piso 2.3+. 45 k bottle, Chicas 80 k. 250 35 32. Hours?: No bell & no body opened on small knock. Forgot my exact time, must be around 5 pm.

8. Casa Blue Room, Av. 33#78-63.4-5. No Cover. 110-150 k / HR. 250 03 63,416 83 32,436 11 31. Mon-Sat 11 am-9:30 pm. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Blue-Room-Medellin-351315181631001/[/URL].

[URL]https://casablueroom.com/:[/URL] guy on 2nd floor window told no message.

9. Dharma Massage, Cr80 b#32 ee 41.7+. 120 k / HR. 504 64 06,310 370 96 33.24/7: Not chica place, there was a guy working at front desk. Looked like a carpenting work office.

Av80#42-84 piso 2: there in map, not in list. Couldn't find. The Av80#42 ends at like 65 or so, then #43 starts.

Cr78#32 ee-25. Breakfast 8 am+: it is 2 buildings. Found only 1 chica, looked more like a civilian eating there instead of a working girl.

In centro, at Cr50#55-14. This place was not here in ISG. 4 girls, looks trans. Didn't try. 100 k.

Tr39 a-70 a-28: some European / English guy opened the door after few small knock. He told it's an apt. I saw 10-12 people sitting around a table in sofas. Saw 1-2 girls looked European. So, it concluded it's not a chica place.

Cl32#65-40: Not in the list (?but in the map). Rang, an old lady answered from 3rd floor balcony in Spanish. I had eye contact with her but I think I didn't ask anything (chica / massage). Since she didn't open the door, I assumed it is not a chica place.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2754288]Me and you prefer fine dining experience (yes, experience, not just the food we put in our stomachs) while he prefers a burrito to go. What amazes me is that he thinks that to dip his stick in a random girl without chemistry is the norm and can't get any better. High volume guy's set of mind. Fortunately, having sex for many of us is not equal to taking a shit or brushing teeth.[/QUOTE]For me there is a difference. Of course I fuck normal women who I may have chemistry with. But with a hooker then yes it is pretty much fast food for me. I do not need to feed and drink with them and I do not need chemistry with them. And like I said, the chemistry still guarantees nothing about the sex even with a chick that is not a hooker. I am usually just fucking hookers until a non-pro gets off work or out of school or whatever. Hookers are not my only source of sex so I do not need anything emotionally from them nor am I disillusioned by them by thinking they are my friend or they were really into it as some posters write. Because stop that money and they will not be into anything no matter how much chemistry there is.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2754143]I disagree completely about the ideal that there is now or ever has been any bickering going on up in here, never has there been any bickering about which is better Facebook or El Centro, Casas or Strip clubs. Or who is stupid enough to go up into Parque Lleras and pay 200 K for a short time, let alone go up into Gustos and pay $200 for TLN. Never read any bickering about whether its worth paying more for good looking woman when you can get what's just at hand and available for cheaper. Never heard any bickering about how much one should pay a chica for her taxi, No sir! Never has there been any bickering up in here. And for the record my way of mongering is the best way and I do not understand why everyone doesn't just do it all like me. 🤣128520;.[/QUOTE]Awesome posts Mojo & Jbee. Can always use a good belly laugh. I haven't posted in a while as it's the same ole same old questions on here. Anyhow as you guys know I mostly just see a lot of regular Facebook chicas. And then service gets quite good when you are seeing friends of friends of Facebook chicas. Chicas working UTR (under the radar). I think ColombiaLover posts about this tactic as well. It's nice to find the chicas that aren't advertising and / or seeing a lot of guys. So there's Pro Tip "The Best Way To Monger" number one. And don't bicker with me please LOL. And don't PM and ask for their contacts. You need to be recommended up the line by other chicas.

But what I really want to mention is why aren't there more gringos visiting Bar Grille Nuevo in el centro? I posted about this place at least a couple times last winter. It's located in a relatively safe area of el centro right across the street from all the Botero statues aka Botero Plaza. About three weeks ago I went again with two other guys and we all found 20 year old flacas & lindas to get laid for 70 mil including the rooms. I like to start my trips in this place because the sex is always with condom here. Both by her choice and mine. And when I haven't had sex in weeks it's no problem to enjoy sex with a condom. After two or three pops it's a different story for me so then I rely on my regulars.

So if you're thinking of going to Bar Grille Nuevo for the first time just be aware the place is an absolute dump and the rooms are pretty disgusting. But there are some great chicas in this place for well under 20 bucks. So my advice is to forget about the shitty bar and the disgusting rooms and just focus on the hot chicas. Once you sit down and get a beer (which will be opened in front of you) just scan the room for the chica of your choice. Don't be shy to make eye contact and wave her over to your table. Buy her a drink and start the conversation. You can use google translator if necessary as there is cell signal underground here. Oh yeah you need to go downstairs from the sidewalk to enter this gold mine of pussy. Please post your experiences. And tell the chicas you can only pay 70 mil. They will not refuse your offer. Personally I leave el cento before the metro shuts down which I'm guessing is 8 PM. I usually arrive the bar about 5 PM although the chicas tell me they arrive between 2 and 3 PM. I doubt there's much happening in the afternoon but never been so I don't know.

The current exchange rate has me itching for another trip. As always I appreciate the back and forth on here, was entertaining to read. I wish everyone currently in Colombia or going on a trip soon a safe and fun trip.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2754318] And like I said, the chemistry still guarantees nothing about the sex even with a chick that is not a hooker. [/QUOTE]That would be an exception, not a general rule. Maybe some guy got a small dick which she doesn't feel inside of her, or maybe he cums in less than a minute. Or maybe a chica got some kind of an issue. Low libido, little experience, or whatnot. Which makes them incompatible in sex despite the chemistry. Nothing can 100% guarantee a great sex, but there is definitely a very strong positive correlation between the chemistry and sex, which you denied in one of your previous posts.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2754342]Awesome posts Mojo & Jbee. Can always use a good belly laugh. I haven't posted in a while as it's the same ole same old questions on here. Anyhow as you guys know I mostly just see a lot of regular Facebook chicas. And then service gets quite good when you are seeing friends of friends of Facebook chicas. Chicas working UTR (under the radar). I think ColombiaLover posts about this tactic as well. It's nice to find the chicas that aren't advertising and / or seeing a lot of guys. So there's Pro Tip "The Best Way To Monger" number one. And don't bicker with me please LOL. And don't PM and ask for their contacts. You need to be recommended up the line by other chicas.

But what I really want to mention is why aren't there more gringos visiting Bar Grille Nuevo in el centro? I posted about this place at least a couple times last winter. It's located in a relatively safe area of el centro right across the street from all the Botero statues aka Botero Plaza. About three weeks ago I went again with two other guys and we all found 20 year old flacas & lindas to get laid for 70 mil including the rooms. I like to start my trips in this place because the sex is always with condom here. Both by her choice and mine. And when I haven't had sex in weeks it's no problem to enjoy sex with a condom. After two or three pops it's a different story for me so then I rely on my regulars.

So if you're thinking of going to Bar Grille Nuevo for the first time just be aware the place is an absolute dump and the rooms are pretty disgusting. But there are some great chicas in this place for well under 20 bucks. So my advice is to forget about the shitty bar and the disgusting rooms and just focus on the hot chicas. Once you sit down and get a beer (which will be opened in front of you) just scan the room for the chica of your choice. Don't be shy to make eye contact and wave her over to your table. Buy her a drink and start the conversation. You can use google translator if necessary as there is cell signal underground here. Oh yeah you need to go downstairs from the sidewalk to enter this gold mine of pussy. Please post your experiences. And tell the chicas you can only pay 70 mil. They will not refuse your offer. Personally I leave el cento before the metro shuts down which I'm guessing is 8 PM. I usually arrive the bar about 5 PM although the chicas tell me they arrive between 2 and 3 PM. I doubt there's much happening in the afternoon but never been so I don't know.[/QUOTE]I believe the Metro runs until 10 pm.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2754376]That would be an exception, not a general rule. Maybe some guy got a small dick which she doesn't feel inside of her, or maybe he cums in less than a minute. Or maybe a chica got some kind of an issue. Low libido, little experience, or whatnot. Which makes them incompatible in sex despite the chemistry. Nothing can 100% guarantee a great sex, but there is definitely a very strong positive correlation between the chemistry and sex, which you denied in one of your previous posts.[/QUOTE]Here's a chemistry lesson. If you fill a glass half full of vodka, no matter how creative you get with filling the other half, what you're feeling when you drink it is from the vodka.

In any P4 P situation, the glass is half full of money. Everything that follows only happens because you put the money into the mix. She might think you're the most handsome man in the world, she might be truly excited to be with you, but if she isn't getting paid she almost certainly will be doing something else.

With every girl 50% of the chemistry is coming out of your pocket.

I'm not exempting myself. If I wasn't spending my girlfriend wouldn't be there. No illusions whatsoever about that.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2754376]That would be an exception, not a general rule. Maybe some guy got a small dick which she doesn't feel inside of her, or maybe he cums in less than a minute. Or maybe a chica got some kind of an issue. Low libido, little experience, or whatnot. Which makes them incompatible in sex despite the chemistry. Nothing can 100% guarantee a great sex, but there is definitely a very strong positive correlation between the chemistry and sex, which you denied in one of your previous posts.[/QUOTE]Do you speak fluent spanish?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753780]...Still nobody ever says what bad sex is and what good sex is...[/QUOTE]This is one type of good sex in my book, tussi or not. A skillful sex worker can do something close. I have been asking about similar question about how good is good. LOL.

[QUOTE=Eloket;2724054]..but I get all the same feeling as being on the brink of orgasm. This goes on for like 30 of 40 seconds each time without me giving any leche. I get this like 10 times during the night but never any leche. I hold them to their promise to stay till breakfast (at least near breakfast time, the friend had school in the morning). And like dutiful soldiers they took turns on bringing me to this near ecstasy phase for a couple of hours.

I have never been near an experience like this before and I would think it's related to the pink shit. I got like 400 seconds with near ecstasy compared with a normal result would be 2 leche, ....[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2753780]Sex is an act. Like cooking food. ....[/QUOTE]I think sex is a skill so experience matters. I think chemistry can improve sex but is not necessary to have great sex.

[QUOTE=MojoBandit;2754143]...who is stupid enough to go up into Parque Lleras and pay 200 K for a short time...[/QUOTE]I have paid 200 k cops for ST in Parque Lleras. IMO, I thought the Vennie girl was well worth that amount. I even invited her to visit me at my apartment, which she did several times during my stay.

A girl who is worth 200 cops ST will be worth 200 k whether she is in FB or strip club, or whatever.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2754386]Here's a chemistry lesson. If you fill a glass half full of vodka, no matter how creative you get with filling the other half, what you're feeling when you drink it is from the vodka.

In any P4 P situation, the glass is half full of money. Everything that follows only happens because you put the money into the mix. She might think you're the most handsome man in the world, she might be truly excited to be with you, but if she isn't getting paid she almost certainly will be doing something else.

With every girl 50% of the chemistry is coming out of your pocket.

I'm not exempting myself. If I wasn't spending my girlfriend wouldn't be there. No illusions whatsoever about that.[/QUOTE]That's fine, I'm trying to make the best out of the other 50% that isn't coming out of my pocket.

BTW, how said it is always 50/50? Could be a different proportion. Up to 100% coming out of your pocket if we speak about street hookers. Even if you date a non pro, you still pay one way or another, but money come second.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2754342]...Please post your experiences. And tell the chicas you can only pay 70 mil. They will not refuse your offer. Personally I leave el cento before the metro shuts down which I'm guessing is 8 PM. I usually arrive the bar about 5 PM although the chicas tell me they arrive between 2 and 3 PM. I doubt there's much happening in the afternoon but never been so I don't know.[/QUOTE]I have been there a few times based on your recommendation that my wingman joked that it's my favorite place. It was not good the last couple of times I was there.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2754422]That's fine, I'm trying to make the best out of the other 50% that isn't coming out of my pocket.[/QUOTE]That's what everyone is trying to do. Some guys give the girls incentive by offering a tip if they provide better service. Some give gifts. Some provide drugs or alcohol. We all have the same goal, get laid and get our money's worth. If you can do it by talking, even better.

[QUOTE]BTW, how said it is always 50/50? Could be a different proportion. Up to 100% coming out of your pocket if we speak about street hookers. Even if you date a non pro, you still pay one way or another, but money come second.[/QUOTE]87.3% of all percentages are made up on the spot. It could be less, or more. If you're strictly talking P4P, then I think the minimum is 50%. Outside of P4P the math gets hairy.

Here's an example. 5 or 6 years ago there was a very well known Facebook girl who was well reviewed. She set her sights on a friend of mine, an ex-pat with successful businesses in Medellin. She was dating him, sex, of course, but not getting paid.

How important was the money? He's a nice guy, attractive, in shape, excellent Spanish. Obviously if she could have hooked him, her finances would have been much improved. Her kid would get a better education. Bright future. It only lasted a few months. I don't know if she got tired of waiting or he got bored with boning a prepago for free.

Unless you're dating someone who is your financial equal, money is always a big part of the equation. Money is the leading cause of divorce. Dating in Colombia you're almost always financially way above the girls. You're a meal ticket. Even if you just have an average income, you're a potential green card. I've been asked twice by girls who I wasn't dating if I would marry them to get them a green card.

I flew Spirit for the first time from MDE to FLL and when was given my boarding pass and upon checking it, it had SSSS stamped on it, and I was told I would have to go thru enhanced screening at the boarding gate. They had the plane parked at two adjoining gates 12 A & 12 be and people chosen to be screened where sent down the adjacent ramp, screened, and then fed into the line to board. Didn't take long, full body pat down, they went thru my carry on, checked everything I had, and made me fire up my computer and cell phone, and then confiscated a bag of coffee I had because it weighed over 350 grams, and they had a sign posted about there being a weight limit of some sorts.

It was a Spirit employee doing the screening, he wasn't Colombian, and then they finally swabbed my hands to test for whatever, and I was allowed to board. They had quite a set-up with three people inspecting people, cubicles / tables set up, and the machine to analyze samples. I suspect this flight, and the other Spirit flight that departed 1/2 an hour earlier in the adjacent gate were identified for screening and set up where there were dual gates side by side, as the inspection area was of good size with like 5 different tables.

This happened to me about five years ago in Iceland of all places on a flight out of the Country. I have no clue as to why I was chosen. It's interesting because I have Global Entry and on both of my boarding passes they had TSA pre-check on them, and when I arrived in Florida I was wondering if there were going to be some further complications but none whatsoever, I went to a kiosk and it scanned my face, and five seconds later I got a printed receipt, was asked where I was coming from, what I was bringing back, and was on my way.

I have never seen a secondary inspection set up like this at the Rio Negro airport before because it was hidden out of sight were there was two adjacent boarding gates that meet about halfway down the boarding ramp, nor have I ever seen this before flying out of MDE on American, Jet Blue, Avianca, COPA or Mexicana but know it has to be happening with them as well.

As to why I was chosen for secondary screening, even with having Global Entry is a mystery to me, perhaps it was totally random, or perhaps for some other reason.

Regardless, don't have any bags of coffee with you greater than 350 grams in case you get tagged for SSSS, I had like 5 bags of coffee, and they were checking them out very carefully!

Thank you so much for sparing time to share your trip report. Kudos.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2754314]I don't speak spanish. Though I know some words and sentences in Spanish, I cannot talk in spanish. I almost always have to use translate app.

I had session with 11 girls in 12 days. All oral and sex was with condom. Some or all girls might have done atleast BJ without condom for more money. No one allowed DFK, about 2 allowed namesake lip to lip kiss for 1 or 2 seconds, half of them are fine with kissing on their face, forehead, neck. Even though 1 hour sessions sounds good value for money, I found most girls lose interest after 30 minutes. So I stick with 30 minutes unless the girl was still going good then I extend more.

I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. I am sharing here mostly the info that would be useful to update the list and map.

For all the places below, the info before ' is what I gathered from the list and map, the info after ' is my contribution, hopefully to update the list and map database.

I took photos for some of the places, please let me know if you / WorldTraveler69 needs it.

El Chagualo. West of the Hospital Metro.

2. La Casa de Doa Fanny. Corner of Cl61#53-08: At 4 pm Sat, 6 chicas, rating 5/10. Not much English friendly, didn't ask price since I am not doing anyway.

3. Calle 61 # 53-16 ?piso 2.7 pm: At 4 pm Sat, closed as expected.

4. OVO Wiskerya, Cl61#53-40 next to #42.7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, door was open to take a sneak peak, but business was not yet open as expected.

5. Name? CL 61 # 53-66, piso 2. 7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, it was open. About 8 chicas, rating 5/10. The setting was more like restaurant bar than casa.

6. Sala de Masajes Doa Esneda, Cl61 (Moore)#53-78, piso 2: Seems no more, on ringing the bell, an 8 year old boy answered from piso 2, in Spanish.

Prado. East of the Prado Metro Station.

1. * Casa de Piedra, or Lindas Chicas, Cl58 (Av. Oriental)#50 a-54, Brown Stone Wall with White Metal Gate: At 4:30 pm Sat, it was closed (locked inside), no indication of it is occupied.

2. Barcelona. Sala de Massajes, Cl59 (Cuba)#50-12: The notice outside in spanish seems to say they moved to Cl59#49-22, but the girl at Cl59#49-22 told no chica.

3. Hotel Balcones de Cuba, Cl59#46-44, Room 301: Not there in map. Also, couldn't find. The female receptionist on piso 2 on the SW corner of Cl59&Cr47 told no massajo.

4. Traviesas Sexi, Calle 58 #45 d-104: Man inside told no chica / massajo.

5. Casa Cuba, Cr48#58-64? Maybe 68: #64 is a shop, #68 - no chica. Either no one opened or the lady inside told no chica.

Los Angeles. East of Carrera 46 (Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Pamela (ex Paisa Relax) Sala de Masajes, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-71, piso 2: Found but closed.

2. Dulce Compania, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-55:6 chicas at 6 pm wed, was told more chicas at sat noon. On Sat 2:45 pm, 6 chicas, about 6/10 rating. Didn't do session.

3. Club de Amigas Sexy. Sala de Masajes, Cr45 d #57-67: Notice says 3 k cover, was not charged, maybe for the entry to the small bar. 5 chicas on wed 6 pm. On Sat 3 pm, 8 chicas, rating 6-7/10.55 k /30 min 70 k /45 min 85 k /60 min. The girl showered on a nice request. Shower water is cold.

4. *Aiffe. Sala de Masajes, Cl57 (Argentina)#43-27: Wed 5 pm 3-4 chicas, my shower optional she won't. Mon 5 pm, 6 chicas. The girl was bit friendly and showered as I asked. Sun 4 pm, 4 chicas. 50 k /30 min 85 k / HR. Open till 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. In their logbook, almost every one did session for 50 k.

5. *New Life. Sala de Masajes, Cl56 (Bolivia)#43-39, piso 2: 3 k viewing fee, price increased from Aug1 5 k /15 min. So 60 k /30 min 80 k /45 100 k /60.1st time wed 4 pm: about 5-8 chicas. The girl I had insisted I shower, but she won't. 2nd time Tues. 4 pm: 10 chicas, she showered as I nicely asked to shower for 1 minute. 3rd time Sun 4 pm: shown 10 chicas and 5 more might have been occupied. She showered as I requested. She asked for tip at end, but I didn't encourage tip. She told no English, but for this, she spoke good English for this: 'tip. Tip for me'.

6. Cl54 #42-13 Turcos paradise: closed / couldn't find.

7. Cr43 #55-xx. : closed / couldn't find.

8. Cr43 #55-49. Divine women: No more, new resident. Please remove from map.

9. Cr45 #55-45. Akami. : No more, new family resident. Please remove from map.

La Candelaria. East of and between the Prado Metro and Parque Berrio Stations and West of Cr 46.

(Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Closed or Moved-Casa de Fantasias, Cl57 (La Paz) #50-19: Lady on piso 3 told no chica.

2. Masajes Zanday, Cr47#57 a-34, piso 2. Sun 10 am-4 pm: 7 chicas at Fri 6:30 pm, 80 k / HR, she showered. Closed at Sun 3 pm.

3. Safari. Sala de Masajes), Cr 46 #57 a-21, piso 3. 6+. 35 k /30 min 55 k / HR. 304-569-92-41,231 09 88, cell 310 837 71 39. Mon-Sat 10 am-7 pm. : No one opened Mon 5 pm.

4. Locuras? (ex-Odisea), Cl57 a#46-10 (Barbacoa and Oriental), piso 2 or 3: Girl opened door on piso2, rooms with bed on piso3, few smoking, but told no chica.

5. Paris Club, Cr47 (Sucre) #56-34: Guy inside told no chica, but saw a chica on stairs in lingerie, also selling / displayed lingerie.

6. Chicas Punto Com, Cl54 (Caracas)#49-97, piso 2, Inside Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas, across from El Cid: Armona Spa, 321 755 51 20. Sat 5 pm, couldn't find 97, but this was the only one on 97 piso2 across EL Cid. 10 chicas. 6/10 rating. The girl I had had attitude, showered reluctantly only after arguing. Only 1 shot and she told no more touching, shower water cold. 55 k /30 min, 75/30. In the chica logbook, it was mentioned 40, so I assume 40 goes to girl and 15 to the establishment.

7. Yakusa. Sala de Masajes (Next to Hotel Deseos), Cr50 a#53-38 (Av. Maracaibo): On Sat 5 pm, 3 chicas, 5/10 rating.

8. Zaza, Cr47 (Sucre)#53-42: Thu 3 pm Didn't like any of 5 chicas. Info on the visiting card: Latinas Sexi, Cell 311 484 87 90, servicios 50 why 70, PROMOCION 80 MIL.

CENTRO.

Taberna Montijos, Diagonal 50 (Transversal 49) #50-25? #50-15: not in map.

Bombona. East of Avenida Oriental.

1. Natalia, Cl49 (Av. Ayacucho)#43-68:60 k /30 min 90 k / HR? 70 k /45 min. Thu 1 pm. 5 chicas. Owner spoke ok english. She showered. Sun 5 pm door was closed (not sure if it is locked) and there was a bicycle blocking the door. So, I assumed it is closed.

2. Cl48 #43-63. Motel mementos plaza. : Couldn't find.

ESTADIO / La 70 - W. Of Rio Medellin, Estadadio metro.

1. Acuabella Sala de Masajes, Cl50 (Colombia) #78 a-11.3. 40 k /30 min Massage and HJ, 70 k same but she takes her clothes off, 100 k / HR FS. Tel: Hours: The entire street (Cl50#78 a-1 to end) is a big wall.

2. Oriental Spa, Cl49 b#77 a-28 (a 1 cuadra de la 4 ta brigada). Prices: _ (57) 315 787 1294.11 am-9 pm, Sun 10 am-6 pm. [URL]https://www.orientalspa.co/:[/URL] At 5 pm Thu, lady opened the door and asked me to come at 6 pm or next day. 100 k /60.

3. Los Angeles de Charlei, Cl51#74-53? Prices? +57 313 525 62 66.24 hrs.

Scort-masajes-why-erotismo-en-medellin-24-horas. Negocio: site not in map, and it is a big apartment complex with parking lot, pedestrian+car gate closed with security in front. We need to know the apartment number, then we need to clear the security gate.

4. Energy. Sala de Masajes, Cr74#49-101, near Cl50 (Colombia) right next to the Stadium. 15-20.135 k+/30 min 145 k /40 min 160 k+/ HR. (See website for prices). 436 11 31,416 83 32, out of country (574) 230 66 08.9 am-9:30 pm, ?xSu. [URL]http://fantasiasenergy.com/index.html.[/URL] Their fb page says [URL]https://chicasenergy.com/[/URL], 130 k /30 160 k /60 min. About 8 chicas at 3 pm Thu, most of them 6-7/10 rating. I paid 160 k for 1 hour and was told no more after 1 shot at 30 minutes. I said I paid for 1 hour, and the girl told me I can stay in the room for 1 hour. Without her LOL. When I told the management, the 2 ladies didn't care and told me to call policia. It's a rip off - 160 k for 1 shot 30 minutes.

El Velodromo. West of Rio Medellin.

1. Tantra Medellin "Donde mi Rey", Cr80#44 b-139.7-8. 80 k /30 min, 100 k /45 min, 130 k / HR FS. 412 7059, Cell: 314 8403 745, Cell: 301 365 18 69.10 am-10 pm.

[URL]http://www.tantramedellin.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tantramedellin[/URL].

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/tantramedellindondemirey/?hl=en[/URL] 3 chicas about 6/10 rating at 5:30 pm Thu. 120 k /45 min 150 k /60 min, no 30 minute. It's expensive, so didn't proceed.

BOLIVARIANA.

3. Name? Next door to BMW Autos (10-26-2021).

Cr68 A#43-13, Piso?. 4-5.70 k /30 min 100 k / HR. Tel? Hours? Not in list.

CONQUISTADORES. West of the Rio Medellin, behind Cerro Nutibara.

1. Luna Lunera 33, Av. 33#63 b-219.10-15. Cover 50 k (or 15 k, 2 drink minimum), Beers 15 k, Drinks 50 k, 110 k /30 min, 100 k exit fee. PBX (574) 235 4700, Cell: 3206646061, 310 835 7020.24/7. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LUNA-Lunera-33-435027583252262/[/URL].

[URL]http://lunalunera.com.co/start/:[/URL] 210 k /45 min. 310 k for 2 girls for 1 HR.

2. Samsara Club, Av. 33#65-09.6-10. Beers 3 k, 50 k /30 min 60 k / HR. (57) (4)2657123, Cell: 31463828 93.10 am-10 pm, Fri-Sun 10 am-6 am. : Guy sitting outside told no / casa. I felt he knew I am there for chica. So, I left assuming it's not a chica place.

3. LOS Angeles, Cl33#65 c-10, Int 201, near the Carbonsito Disco. 5-7. 75 k /45 min 100 k / HR, prices go.

Up at night. 351 50 29.24/7 with appointments, or Thu-Sat 8 pm-6 am: 2 xbell (rang twice or there were 2 bells), no body seems to be there. No 'Carbonsito' nearby, only tea shop.

4. Kassandra. Sala de Masajes, Av. 33#66 b-107? Masajistas. Prices? (57) (4) 426 5122. Cell: (57) 312 890 9020.24/7: A black guy told 'no masaje.'

5. Sala de Masajes Eroticos, Cr66 b#33-07, interior 202. ? Chicas. Prices?. +57 300 235 0414. Mon-Sat 10:30 am-8 pm Sunday / Festivals 12 noon-6 pm.

[URL]https://www.eroticosenlaciudad.com/clasificados-eroticos/colombia/es/salasde-masajes/medellin/spa-para-caballeros.php:[/URL] rang 202, no one there.

6. Eros Spa. Cr81 a#34 a-15 Apt 301.4-7. 70-100 k / HR. Tel: Call First, WhatsApp: 322-202-5690.24/7. Apartment complex with security. I felt the security knows what is going on. Took elevator to 3rd floor. Door 301 opened after like 2 minutes after ringing the bell few times. I was not allowed to enter 301, but a girl immediately took me to the 4th floor apt upstairs. 12 chicas at 6:30 pm Thu. 70 k /60 min, no 30 minute option.

7. Hostal Malevaje (Bar), Av. 33#76-85, piso 2.3+. 45 k bottle, Chicas 80 k. 250 35 32. Hours?: No bell & no body opened on small knock. Forgot my exact time, must be around 5 pm.

8. Casa Blue Room, Av. 33#78-63.4-5. No Cover. 110-150 k / HR. 250 03 63,416 83 32,436 11 31. Mon-Sat 11 am-9:30 pm. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Blue-Room-Medellin-351315181631001/[/URL].

[URL]https://casablueroom.com/:[/URL] guy on 2nd floor window told no message.

9. Dharma Massage, Cr80 b#32 ee 41.7+. 120 k / HR. 504 64 06,310 370 96 33.24/7: Not chica place, there was a guy working at front desk. Looked like a carpenting work office.

Av80#42-84 piso 2: there in map, not in list. Couldn't find. The Av80#42 ends at like 65 or so, then #43 starts.

Cr78#32 ee-25. Breakfast 8 am+: it is 2 buildings. Found only 1 chica, looked more like a civilian eating there instead of a working girl.

In centro, at Cr50#55-14. This place was not here in ISG. 4 girls, looks trans. Didn't try. 100 k.

Tr39 a-70 a-28: some European / English guy opened the door after few small knock. He told it's an apt. I saw 10-12 people sitting around a table in sofas. Saw 1-2 girls looked European. So, it concluded it's not a chica place.

Cl32#65-40: Not in the list (?but in the map). Rang, an old lady answered from 3rd floor balcony in Spanish. I had eye contact with her but I think I didn't ask anything (chica / massage). Since she didn't open the door, I assumed it is not a chica place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Snook;2754273]I know a lot of the girls leave during Christmas to go home to be with families. When in December do they start leaving? Dec 8 is a national holiday (Feast of the Immaculate Conception). Are the bars open on this holiday, and do the girls still hang out in Centro?

Thanks and happy hunting.

Snook.[/QUOTE]I would love to know this as well. I am planning a trip between Dec 10 and 27th and wondering if Christmas time means too many gringos, too few girls and very high rates. I would hate to visit casas if the girl numbers go down by 50% around these days.

Can someone please advise.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2754440]I have been there a few times based on your recommendation that my wingman joked that it's my favorite place. It was not good the last couple of times I was there.[/QUOTE]Shit that is 1 of my favorite places to go for a cheap fuck and drinks.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2754440]I have been there a few times based on your recommendation that my wingman joked that it's my favorite place. It was not good the last couple of times I was there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2754580]Shit that is 1 of my favorite places to go for a cheap fuck and drinks.[/QUOTE]So that's why I posted the info. We need more gringos going in here so that more of the hot chicas (flacas & lindas) will show up more often. Just don't ruin it and pay them more than 70 ML pesos please.

American rolls out portable room divider type screens with their logo on it at Rionegro. They divert passengers who are flagged for secondary screening to an area behind the screens. I don't know how frequently they do the secondary screening but I don't remember ever seeing American board a flight out of Rionegro without setting up the area. Back when Spirit was the only airline operating out of Rionegro during the lockdown, I took one of their flights. I got the same treatment you described except I was not made to fire up any electronics. I also had my coffee confiscated. I did not have the dreaded SSSS on my boarding pass. I think the screening was random.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754545]I flew Spirit for the first time from MDE to FLL and when was given my boarding pass and upon checking it, it had SSSS stamped on it, and I was told I would have to go thru enhanced screening at the boarding gate. They had the plane parked at two adjoining gates 12 A & 12 be and people chosen to be screened where sent down the adjacent ramp, screened, and then fed into the line to board. Didn't take long, full body pat down, they went thru my carry on, checked everything I had, and made me fire up my computer and cell phone, and then confiscated a bag of coffee I had because it weighed over 350 grams, and they had a sign posted about there being a weight limit of some sorts.

It was a Spirit employee doing the screening, he wasn't Colombian, and then they finally swabbed my hands to test for whatever, and I was allowed to board. They had quite a set-up with three people inspecting people, cubicles / tables set up, and the machine to analyze samples. I suspect this flight, and the other Spirit flight that departed 1/2 an hour earlier in the adjacent gate were identified for screening and set up where there were dual gates side by side, as the inspection area was of good size with like 5 different tables.

This happened to me about five years ago in Iceland of all places on a flight out of the Country. I have no clue as to why I was chosen. It's interesting because I have Global Entry and on both of my boarding passes they had TSA pre-check on them, and when I arrived in Florida I was wondering if there were going to be some further complications but none whatsoever, I went to a kiosk and it scanned my face, and five seconds later I got a printed receipt, was asked where I was coming from, what I was bringing back, and was on my way.

I have never seen a secondary inspection set up like this at the Rio Negro airport before because it was hidden out of sight were there was two adjacent boarding gates that meet about halfway down the boarding ramp, nor have I ever seen this before flying out of MDE on American, Jet Blue, Avianca, COPA or Mexicana but know it has to be happening with them as well.

As to why I was chosen for secondary screening, even with having Global Entry is a mystery to me, perhaps it was totally random, or perhaps for some other reason.

Regardless, don't have any bags of coffee with you greater than 350 grams in case you get tagged for SSSS, I had like 5 bags of coffee, and they were checking them out very carefully![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2754636]So that's why I posted the info. We need more gringos going in here so that more of the hot chicas (flacas & lindas) will show up more often. Just don't ruin it and pay them more than 70 ML pesos please.[/QUOTE]What's the rate to take them to your hotel (I was at Nutibara). I asked several girls and got a variety of answers.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754545]
and made me fire up my computer and cell phone

[/QUOTE]Do they go thru the content in your devices? Because I have a lot of porn both in my laptop and phone.

Also files containing my userid / pwd for different FI and accounts.

Excellent effort Sir, we all owe you a debt of gratitude.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2754314]I don't speak spanish. Though I know some words and sentences in Spanish, I cannot talk in spanish. I almost always have to use translate app.

I had session with 11 girls in 12 days. All oral and sex was with condom. Some or all girls might have done atleast BJ without condom for more money. No one allowed DFK, about 2 allowed namesake lip to lip kiss for 1 or 2 seconds, half of them are fine with kissing on their face, forehead, neck. Even though 1 hour sessions sounds good value for money, I found most girls lose interest after 30 minutes. So I stick with 30 minutes unless the girl was still going good then I extend more.

I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. I am sharing here mostly the info that would be useful to update the list and map.

For all the places below, the info before ' is what I gathered from the list and map, the info after ' is my contribution, hopefully to update the list and map database.

I took photos for some of the places, please let me know if you / WorldTraveler69 needs it.

El Chagualo. West of the Hospital Metro.

2. La Casa de Doa Fanny. Corner of Cl61#53-08: At 4 pm Sat, 6 chicas, rating 5/10. Not much English friendly, didn't ask price since I am not doing anyway.

3. Calle 61 # 53-16 ?piso 2.7 pm: At 4 pm Sat, closed as expected.

4. OVO Wiskerya, Cl61#53-40 next to #42.7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, door was open to take a sneak peak, but business was not yet open as expected.

5. Name? CL 61 # 53-66, piso 2. 7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, it was open. About 8 chicas, rating 5/10. The setting was more like restaurant bar than casa.

6. Sala de Masajes Doa Esneda, Cl61 (Moore)#53-78, piso 2: Seems no more, on ringing the bell, an 8 year old boy answered from piso 2, in Spanish.

Prado. East of the Prado Metro Station.

1. * Casa de Piedra, or Lindas Chicas, Cl58 (Av. Oriental)#50 a-54, Brown Stone Wall with White Metal Gate: At 4:30 pm Sat, it was closed (locked inside), no indication of it is occupied.

2. Barcelona. Sala de Massajes, Cl59 (Cuba)#50-12: The notice outside in spanish seems to say they moved to Cl59#49-22, but the girl at Cl59#49-22 told no chica.

3. Hotel Balcones de Cuba, Cl59#46-44, Room 301: Not there in map. Also, couldn't find. The female receptionist on piso 2 on the SW corner of Cl59&Cr47 told no massajo.

4. Traviesas Sexi, Calle 58 #45 d-104: Man inside told no chica / massajo.

5. Casa Cuba, Cr48#58-64? Maybe 68: #64 is a shop, #68 - no chica. Either no one opened or the lady inside told no chica.

Los Angeles. East of Carrera 46 (Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Pamela (ex Paisa Relax) Sala de Masajes, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-71, piso 2: Found but closed.

2. Dulce Compania, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-55:6 chicas at 6 pm wed, was told more chicas at sat noon. On Sat 2:45 pm, 6 chicas, about 6/10 rating. Didn't do session.

3. Club de Amigas Sexy. Sala de Masajes, Cr45 d #57-67: Notice says 3 k cover, was not charged, maybe for the entry to the small bar. 5 chicas on wed 6 pm. On Sat 3 pm, 8 chicas, rating 6-7/10.55 k /30 min 70 k /45 min 85 k /60 min. The girl showered on a nice request. Shower water is cold.

4. *Aiffe. Sala de Masajes, Cl57 (Argentina)#43-27: Wed 5 pm 3-4 chicas, my shower optional she won't. Mon 5 pm, 6 chicas. The girl was bit friendly and showered as I asked. Sun 4 pm, 4 chicas. 50 k /30 min 85 k / HR. Open till 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. In their logbook, almost every one did session for 50 k.

5. *New Life. Sala de Masajes, Cl56 (Bolivia)#43-39, piso 2: 3 k viewing fee, price increased from Aug1 5 k /15 min. So 60 k /30 min 80 k /45 100 k /60.1st time wed 4 pm: about 5-8 chicas. The girl I had insisted I shower, but she won't. 2nd time Tues. 4 pm: 10 chicas, she showered as I nicely asked to shower for 1 minute. 3rd time Sun 4 pm: shown 10 chicas and 5 more might have been occupied. She showered as I requested. She asked for tip at end, but I didn't encourage tip. She told no English, but for this, she spoke good English for this: 'tip. Tip for me'.

6. Cl54 #42-13 Turcos paradise: closed / couldn't find.

7. Cr43 #55-xx. : closed / couldn't find.

8. Cr43 #55-49. Divine women: No more, new resident. Please remove from map.

9. Cr45 #55-45. Akami. : No more, new family resident. Please remove from map.

La Candelaria. East of and between the Prado Metro and Parque Berrio Stations and West of Cr 46.

(Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Closed or Moved-Casa de Fantasias, Cl57 (La Paz) #50-19: Lady on piso 3 told no chica.

2. Masajes Zanday, Cr47#57 a-34, piso 2. Sun 10 am-4 pm: 7 chicas at Fri 6:30 pm, 80 k / HR, she showered. Closed at Sun 3 pm.

3. Safari. Sala de Masajes), Cr 46 #57 a-21, piso 3. 6+. 35 k /30 min 55 k / HR. 304-569-92-41,231 09 88, cell 310 837 71 39. Mon-Sat 10 am-7 pm. : No one opened Mon 5 pm.

4. Locuras? (ex-Odisea), Cl57 a#46-10 (Barbacoa and Oriental), piso 2 or 3: Girl opened door on piso2, rooms with bed on piso3, few smoking, but told no chica.

5. Paris Club, Cr47 (Sucre) #56-34: Guy inside told no chica, but saw a chica on stairs in lingerie, also selling / displayed lingerie.

6. Chicas Punto Com, Cl54 (Caracas)#49-97, piso 2, Inside Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas, across from El Cid: Armona Spa, 321 755 51 20. Sat 5 pm, couldn't find 97, but this was the only one on 97 piso2 across EL Cid. 10 chicas. 6/10 rating. The girl I had had attitude, showered reluctantly only after arguing. Only 1 shot and she told no more touching, shower water cold. 55 k /30 min, 75/30. In the chica logbook, it was mentioned 40, so I assume 40 goes to girl and 15 to the establishment.

7. Yakusa. Sala de Masajes (Next to Hotel Deseos), Cr50 a#53-38 (Av. Maracaibo): On Sat 5 pm, 3 chicas, 5/10 rating.

8. Zaza, Cr47 (Sucre)#53-42: Thu 3 pm Didn't like any of 5 chicas. Info on the visiting card: Latinas Sexi, Cell 311 484 87 90, servicios 50 why 70, PROMOCION 80 MIL.

CENTRO.

Taberna Montijos, Diagonal 50 (Transversal 49) #50-25? #50-15: not in map.

Bombona. East of Avenida Oriental.

1. Natalia, Cl49 (Av. Ayacucho)#43-68:60 k /30 min 90 k / HR? 70 k /45 min. Thu 1 pm. 5 chicas. Owner spoke ok english. She showered. Sun 5 pm door was closed (not sure if it is locked) and there was a bicycle blocking the door. So, I assumed it is closed.

2. Cl48 #43-63. Motel mementos plaza. : Couldn't find.

ESTADIO / La 70 - W. Of Rio Medellin, Estadadio metro.

1. Acuabella Sala de Masajes, Cl50 (Colombia) #78 a-11.3. 40 k /30 min Massage and HJ, 70 k same but she takes her clothes off, 100 k / HR FS. Tel: Hours: The entire street (Cl50#78 a-1 to end) is a big wall.

2. Oriental Spa, Cl49 b#77 a-28 (a 1 cuadra de la 4 ta brigada). Prices: _ (57) 315 787 1294.11 am-9 pm, Sun 10 am-6 pm. [URL]https://www.orientalspa.co/:[/URL] At 5 pm Thu, lady opened the door and asked me to come at 6 pm or next day. 100 k /60.

3. Los Angeles de Charlei, Cl51#74-53? Prices? +57 313 525 62 66.24 hrs.

Scort-masajes-why-erotismo-en-medellin-24-horas. Negocio: site not in map, and it is a big apartment complex with parking lot, pedestrian+car gate closed with security in front. We need to know the apartment number, then we need to clear the security gate.

4. Energy. Sala de Masajes, Cr74#49-101, near Cl50 (Colombia) right next to the Stadium. 15-20.135 k+/30 min 145 k /40 min 160 k+/ HR. (See website for prices). 436 11 31,416 83 32, out of country (574) 230 66 08.9 am-9:30 pm, ?xSu. [URL]http://fantasiasenergy.com/index.html.[/URL] Their fb page says [URL]https://chicasenergy.com/[/URL], 130 k /30 160 k /60 min. About 8 chicas at 3 pm Thu, most of them 6-7/10 rating. I paid 160 k for 1 hour and was told no more after 1 shot at 30 minutes. I said I paid for 1 hour, and the girl told me I can stay in the room for 1 hour. Without her LOL. When I told the management, the 2 ladies didn't care and told me to call policia. It's a rip off - 160 k for 1 shot 30 minutes.

El Velodromo. West of Rio Medellin.

1. Tantra Medellin "Donde mi Rey", Cr80#44 b-139.7-8. 80 k /30 min, 100 k /45 min, 130 k / HR FS. 412 7059, Cell: 314 8403 745, Cell: 301 365 18 69.10 am-10 pm.

[URL]http://www.tantramedellin.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tantramedellin[/URL].

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/tantramedellindondemirey/?hl=en[/URL] 3 chicas about 6/10 rating at 5:30 pm Thu. 120 k /45 min 150 k /60 min, no 30 minute. It's expensive, so didn't proceed.

BOLIVARIANA.

3. Name? Next door to BMW Autos (10-26-2021).

Cr68 A#43-13, Piso?. 4-5.70 k /30 min 100 k / HR. Tel? Hours? Not in list.

CONQUISTADORES. West of the Rio Medellin, behind Cerro Nutibara.

1. Luna Lunera 33, Av. 33#63 b-219.10-15. Cover 50 k (or 15 k, 2 drink minimum), Beers 15 k, Drinks 50 k, 110 k /30 min, 100 k exit fee. PBX (574) 235 4700, Cell: 3206646061, 310 835 7020.24/7. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LUNA-Lunera-33-435027583252262/[/URL].

[URL]http://lunalunera.com.co/start/:[/URL] 210 k /45 min. 310 k for 2 girls for 1 HR.

2. Samsara Club, Av. 33#65-09.6-10. Beers 3 k, 50 k /30 min 60 k / HR. (57) (4)2657123, Cell: 31463828 93.10 am-10 pm, Fri-Sun 10 am-6 am. : Guy sitting outside told no / casa. I felt he knew I am there for chica. So, I left assuming it's not a chica place.

3. LOS Angeles, Cl33#65 c-10, Int 201, near the Carbonsito Disco. 5-7. 75 k /45 min 100 k / HR, prices go.

Up at night. 351 50 29.24/7 with appointments, or Thu-Sat 8 pm-6 am: 2 xbell (rang twice or there were 2 bells), no body seems to be there. No 'Carbonsito' nearby, only tea shop.

4. Kassandra. Sala de Masajes, Av. 33#66 b-107? Masajistas. Prices? (57) (4) 426 5122. Cell: (57) 312 890 9020.24/7: A black guy told 'no masaje.'

5. Sala de Masajes Eroticos, Cr66 b#33-07, interior 202. ? Chicas. Prices?. +57 300 235 0414. Mon-Sat 10:30 am-8 pm Sunday / Festivals 12 noon-6 pm.

[URL]https://www.eroticosenlaciudad.com/clasificados-eroticos/colombia/es/salasde-masajes/medellin/spa-para-caballeros.php:[/URL] rang 202, no one there.

6. Eros Spa. Cr81 a#34 a-15 Apt 301.4-7. 70-100 k / HR. Tel: Call First, WhatsApp: 322-202-5690.24/7. Apartment complex with security. I felt the security knows what is going on. Took elevator to 3rd floor. Door 301 opened after like 2 minutes after ringing the bell few times. I was not allowed to enter 301, but a girl immediately took me to the 4th floor apt upstairs. 12 chicas at 6:30 pm Thu. 70 k /60 min, no 30 minute option.

7. Hostal Malevaje (Bar), Av. 33#76-85, piso 2.3+. 45 k bottle, Chicas 80 k. 250 35 32. Hours?: No bell & no body opened on small knock. Forgot my exact time, must be around 5 pm.

8. Casa Blue Room, Av. 33#78-63.4-5. No Cover. 110-150 k / HR. 250 03 63,416 83 32,436 11 31. Mon-Sat 11 am-9:30 pm. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Blue-Room-Medellin-351315181631001/[/URL].

[URL]https://casablueroom.com/:[/URL] guy on 2nd floor window told no message.

9. Dharma Massage, Cr80 b#32 ee 41.7+. 120 k / HR. 504 64 06,310 370 96 33.24/7: Not chica place, there was a guy working at front desk. Looked like a carpenting work office.

Av80#42-84 piso 2: there in map, not in list. Couldn't find. The Av80#42 ends at like 65 or so, then #43 starts.

Cr78#32 ee-25. Breakfast 8 am+: it is 2 buildings. Found only 1 chica, looked more like a civilian eating there instead of a working girl.

In centro, at Cr50#55-14. This place was not here in ISG. 4 girls, looks trans. Didn't try. 100 k.

Tr39 a-70 a-28: some European / English guy opened the door after few small knock. He told it's an apt. I saw 10-12 people sitting around a table in sofas. Saw 1-2 girls looked European. So, it concluded it's not a chica place.

Cl32#65-40: Not in the list (?but in the map). Rang, an old lady answered from 3rd floor balcony in Spanish. I had eye contact with her but I think I didn't ask anything (chica / massage). Since she didn't open the door, I assumed it is not a chica place.[/QUOTE]

What is good sex is completely subjective because we are all turned on by different things. Personally for me chemistry is essential to the best sex since I enjoy pleasing as much as being pleased. I love figuring out a woman's kinks and perversions and in my experience there needs to be some chemistry and trust for her to share that side of herself with me. I also appreciate sexual skill, as well as open-mindedness, and looks.

But we all look for different things and value what we look for differently. Good sex may be fucking a 9 for one guy regardless of her engagement. It may be finding a pro that can suck a golf ball out of a hose even if she's not the best looking or is otherwise cool to you for someone else. Some like a dominant woman another a submissive woman.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2754405]This is one type of good sex in my book, tussi or not. A skillful sex worker can do something close. I have been asking about similar question about how good is good. LOL.



I think sex is a skill so experience matters. I think chemistry can improve sex but is not necessary to have great sex.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2754314]I don't speak spanish.[/QUOTE]Great work! Pretty disappointing reports, though. No DFK and no BBBJ. I hope this is not going to be my experience. Have plans to stay at the Mansion, go to the casas, especially New Life and Zandaly during the day, then either partake of the talent in the bar at the Mansion or find a prepago on one of the websites for a visit to the Mansion in the evenings. If I'm not going to get BBBJ and DFK, then something is wrong in the world.

You described the general trend accurately. The US dollar has in fact been steadily strengthening against world currencies, including the Colombian peso, since well before the summer election. I am referring to the incremental and accelerated spike above and beyond that trend that began as soon as polling began to break Petro's way about two weeks before election day. Petro knows this and it is why he and his people are distancing themselves from the peso's fall in the media on a daily basis. What happened to the UK pound hours after Liz Truss proposed a warmed over version of mid 1980's Reaganomics is another example of the same phenomenon. The dollar had been steadily making gains against European currencies well before the Truss mini budget, and then it took off like a rocket to reach an historical high. By comparison, against the euro the dollar matched its 20 year high but has not reached the level it did agains tthe pound recently. As I wrote earlier, I don't really care what's behind the dollar rise. I am very happy to enjoy the benefits. I do however like to have a holistic view of events. I'm apolitical in general and especially in Colombia. The local media are treating Petro fairly. I suspect the conservative media haven't gone after him over this issue because they are confident he won't be able to prevail against the wishes of the US and the Colombian landed gentry, especially when the working class begin to fall behind on high interest consumer loan payments and barrio shops stop extending credit for food purchases.

[QUOTE=Villainy;2754301]The US Federal Reserve has been raising the Fed Funds Rate in order to tamp down inflation. The US Treasury rates have risen accordingly, which leads to a strong Dollar. If you check the exchange rates against almost all the world's major currencies you will find the Dollar has been super strong. (Euro, Pound, Yen.) So Petro's election isn't the obvious cause. There are many other factors.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2754636]So that's why I posted the info. We need more gringos going in here so that more of the hot chicas (flacas & lindas) will show up more often. Just don't ruin it and pay them more than 70 ML pesos please.[/QUOTE]You should try at a weekend, you won't get a seat. Usually there are only 1 or 2 groups of foriegners, the rest are all locals. So I doubt foreigners will affect the price at all.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754545]I flew Spirit for the first time from MDE to FLL and when was given my boarding pass and upon checking it, it had SSSS stamped on it, and I was told I would have to go thru enhanced screening at the boarding gate. They had the plane parked at two adjoining gates 12 A & 12 be and people chosen to be screened where sent down the adjacent ramp, screened, and then fed into the line to board. Didn't take long, full body pat down, they went thru my carry on, checked everything I had, and made me fire up my computer and cell phone, and then confiscated a bag of coffee I had because it weighed over 350 grams, and they had a sign posted about there being a weight limit of some sorts.

It was a Spirit employee doing the screening, he wasn't Colombian, and then they finally swabbed my hands to test for whatever, and I was allowed to board. They had quite a set-up with three people inspecting people, cubicles / tables set up, and the machine to analyze samples. I suspect this flight, and the other Spirit flight that departed 1/2 an hour earlier in the adjacent gate were identified for screening and set up where there were dual gates side by side, as the inspection area was of good size with like 5 different tables.

This happened to me about five years ago in Iceland of all places on a flight out of the Country. I have no clue as to why I was chosen. It's interesting because I have Global Entry and on both of my boarding passes they had TSA pre-check on them, and when I arrived in Florida I was wondering if there were going to be some further complications but none whatsoever, I went to a kiosk and it scanned my face, and five seconds later I got a printed receipt, was asked where I was coming from, what I was bringing back, and was on my way.

I have never seen a secondary inspection set up like this at the Rio Negro airport before because it was hidden out of sight were there was two adjacent boarding gates that meet about halfway down the boarding ramp, nor have I ever seen this before flying out of MDE on American, Jet Blue, Avianca, COPA or Mexicana but know it has to be happening with them as well.

As to why I was chosen for secondary screening, even with having Global Entry is a mystery to me, perhaps it was totally random, or perhaps for some other reason.

Regardless, don't have any bags of coffee with you greater than 350 grams in case you get tagged for SSSS, I had like 5 bags of coffee, and they were checking them out very carefully![/QUOTE]US agents doing the secondary screening? I have Global Entry and skip all that nonsense! Brought back loads of coffee bags from Brazil and Colombia no issues. you prob got flagged for something for this to happen

[QUOTE=Plan77;2754577]I would love to know this as well. I am planning a trip between Dec 10 and 27th and wondering if Christmas time means too many gringos, too few girls and very high rates. I would hate to visit casas if the girl numbers go down by 50% around these days.

Can someone please advise.[/QUOTE]Pre Christmas rocks! Afterwards, not as much.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754545]I flew Spirit for the first time from MDE to FLL and when was given my boarding pass and upon checking it, it had SSSS stamped on it, and I was told I would have to go thru enhanced screening at the boarding gate. They had the plane parked at two adjoining gates 12 A & 12 be and people chosen to be screened where sent down the adjacent ramp, screened, and then fed into the line to board. Didn't take long, full body pat down, they went thru my carry on, checked everything I had, and made me fire up my computer and cell phone, and then confiscated a bag of coffee I had because it weighed over 350 grams, and they had a sign posted about there being a weight limit of some sorts.

It was a Spirit employee doing the screening, he wasn't Colombian, and then they finally swabbed my hands to test for whatever, and I was allowed to board. They had quite a set-up with three people inspecting people, cubicles / tables set up, and the machine to analyze samples. I suspect this flight, and the other Spirit flight that departed 1/2 an hour earlier in the adjacent gate were identified for screening and set up where there were dual gates side by side, as the inspection area was of good size with like 5 different tables.

This happened to me about five years ago in Iceland of all places on a flight out of the Country. I have no clue as to why I was chosen. It's interesting because I have Global Entry and on both of my boarding passes they had TSA pre-check on them, and when I arrived in Florida I was wondering if there were going to be some further complications but none whatsoever, I went to a kiosk and it scanned my face, and five seconds later I got a printed receipt, was asked where I was coming from, what I was bringing back, and was on my way.

I have never seen a secondary inspection set up like this at the Rio Negro airport before because it was hidden out of sight were there was two adjacent boarding gates that meet about halfway down the boarding ramp, nor have I ever seen this before flying out of MDE on American, Jet Blue, Avianca, COPA or Mexicana but know it has to be happening with them as well.

As to why I was chosen for secondary screening, even with having Global Entry is a mystery to me, perhaps it was totally random, or perhaps for some other reason.

Regardless, don't have any bags of coffee with you greater than 350 grams in case you get tagged for SSSS, I had like 5 bags of coffee, and they were checking them out very carefully![/QUOTE]Sssss printed on your boarding pass is randomly generated. Has nothing to do about who you are or your TSA status. It means you will have a secondary inspection. Some airlines randomly just pull people from the boarding line. If you don't have sssss you won't be searched. At least you know ahead of time so if you have something you ahouldn't you can dump it prior to boarding.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2754318]For me there is a difference. Of course I fuck normal women who I may have chemistry with. But with a hooker then yes it is pretty much fast food for me. I do not need to feed and drink with them and I do not need chemistry with them. And like I said, the chemistry still guarantees nothing about the sex even with a chick that is not a hooker. I am usually just fucking hookers until a non-pro gets off work or out of school or whatever. Hookers are not my only source of sex so I do not need anything emotionally from them nor am I disillusioned by them by thinking they are my friend or they were really into it as some posters write. Because stop that money and they will not be into anything no matter how much chemistry there is.[/QUOTE]

Mr E you crack me up, Lol. Are you really like this or is it just an online persona?

PS, your non pros are looking for something as well, besides your dashing personality and sexual ability. You have to know this already.

And isn’t it just common sense that chemistry between 2 people matter, whether it be PFP, NP, whatever? Of course it does.
It’s human nature.
The debate is funny to me.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2754667]Pre Christmas rocks! Afterwards, not as much.[/QUOTE]Isn't a lot of the girls desperate after the holidays? Some guys on the thread mention that January and February are the best times to go.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2754655]US agents doing the secondary screening? I have Global Entry and skip all that nonsense! Brought back loads of coffee bags from Brazil and Colombia no issues. you prob got flagged for something for this to happen[/QUOTE]Global Entry only works at US airports. It will not do anything for you at MDE.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2754655]US agents doing the secondary screening? I have Global Entry and skip all that nonsense! Brought back loads of coffee bags from Brazil and Colombia no issues. you prob got flagged for something for this to happen[/QUOTE]Did you declare the coffee? I love that Juan Valdez and brought back three 1 lb bags last time. I was so tired I forgot to declare it and did not get searched. I have global entry. Is it OK to bring back coffee, just not too much?

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2754386]Here's a chemistry lesson. If you fill a glass half full of vodka, no matter how creative you get with filling the other half, what you're feeling when you drink it is from the vodka.

In any P4 P situation, the glass is half full of money. Everything that follows only happens because you put the money into the mix. She might think you're the most handsome man in the world, she might be truly excited to be with you, but if she isn't getting paid she almost certainly will be doing something else.

With every girl 50% of the chemistry is coming out of your pocket.

I'm not exempting myself. If I wasn't spending my girlfriend wouldn't be there. No illusions whatsoever about that.[/QUOTE]Decent analogy. The flaw though: vodka is the sex. You're getting that regardless. That's what your money brings you. The chemistry is the dry vermouth. Do you want plain / straight vodka or do you want to enhance it to a vodka martini? And hey, not everyone wants a martini, right? And that's ok. Some guys just want straight vodka. Fast, efficient. Maybe they don't want to spend the time talking. Maybe their Spanish is challenged. Whatever the reason, they'll still get the sex. But some like to elevate the experience. Yes, we both know the money is the key to opening that door. But the quality of the experience is enhanced with chemistry. Is it necessary? Clearly not. But it's been a wise investment for me, time and time again.

I will say, and this is not to be bragadocious. But I've had three girls give me some freebies. They say it is because they like me, I treat them with respect and they are comfortable with me. I promise you it is not because of my looks, my elite sexual performance or anything of that sort. Two of the three were in Medellin. One with a Vennie and one with a paisa. The paisa was actually bbfscip. I don't mean to claim chemistry leads to freebies. These were girls I've previously seen multiple times in a p4 p setup. But I'm 100% sure it wouldn't have happened without chemistry.

Bottom line, in my opinion, if you can find a way for a girl to want to please you, yes even P4P, your experience is significantly enhanced. And that's why I love Medellin. For whatever reason, the paisas are a little more personable, a little more real, and open to a little more chemistry. Just my experience. And guys, seriously, if I can develop chemistry, anyone can with minimal effort. I'm nearing 50, overweight, can't dance and I'm not fluent in Spanish. I do not overpay. But I'm telling you: genuine respect will open most doors.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2754577]I would love to know this as well. I am planning a trip between Dec 10 and 27th and wondering if Christmas time means too many gringos, too few girls and very high rates. I would hate to visit casas if the girl numbers go down by 50% around these days.

Can someone please advise.[/QUOTE]The one Christmas I spent in Medellin I was able to find a girl on Christmas eve and visited a couple of casas on the day after Christmas and almost every day in the 5 days before Christmas. Fewer girls, but there were options.

However, I've got around 2,000 contacts, so I can always find someone, just can't always find the one I want.

The Christmas Eve girl gave me a couple of presents, BBFS and gonorrhea. Rang in the New Year with Santa driving the reindeer down my chimney every time I had to pee.

I'll be in Medellin for Christmas this year. Probably doing Christmas with the girlfriend's family, but will be taking a few days on my own.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2754694]Did you declare the coffee? I love that Juan Valdez and brought back three 1 lb bags last time. I was so tired I forgot to declare it and did not get searched. I have global entry. Is it OK to bring back coffee, just not too much?[/QUOTE]I doubt you need to declare the coffee. Customs care mainly are drugs and food like meat and fruits that can contain parasites / bugs that would damage the ecosystem.

[QUOTE=FlowState985;2754723]I doubt you need to declare the coffee. Customs care mainly are drugs and food like meat and fruits that can contain parasites / bugs that would damage the ecosystem.[/QUOTE]Regardless of whether you have Global Entry or not, you do not have to declare anything if your not asked which is the case many times, at least from what I have experienced arriving at LAX having Global Entry.

However in Florida the other day, I was first asked if I was bringing back any tobacco or liquor, and then asked if I had anything to declare.

When I was asked that question, I told them everything I was bringing back which besides coffee included candy, crackers, and chips.

Technically your supposed to declare anything your bringing back that you didn't bring with you when you left the Country, it's that simple.

The declaration is not a function of acceptable items allowed or prohibited items that cannot be brought back like specific fruits, meats, etc.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2754577]I would love to know this as well. I am planning a trip between Dec 10 and 27th and wondering if Christmas time means too many gringos, too few girls and very high rates. I would hate to visit casas if the girl numbers go down by 50% around these days.

Can someone please advise.[/QUOTE]I'll be in town Dec 17-24 so will find out. I've never been later (in December) than about the 17th. My guess is it will be good until about 12/22 or 12/23.

FWIW after Medellin, I'm heading to Cali until Jan 1 for la Feria. Cali is absolutely fantastic between Christmas and NYE. I would say it's the best week of the year to visit.

[QUOTE=Plan77;2754577]I would love to know this as well. I am planning a trip between Dec 10 and 27th and wondering if Christmas time means too many gringos, too few girls and very high rates. I would hate to visit casas if the girl numbers go down by 50% around these days.

Can someone please advise.[/QUOTE]There will be less Gringos around during the time frame you mentioned, and up until Christmas, lots of girls will be trying to make as much money as they can so they can buy gifts and have money to celebrate with their families.

However, there will also be a huge uptick in crime, there's always more the few weeks leading up to Christmas, so you can never let your guard down.

If you haven't purchased your tickets yet you might want to consider returning on 25th, the airfare will be lower and things will be pretty much dead, albeit there will be some SW's out on Christmas Day in Centro. I was in Medellin last Christmas Day and was curious as to what was out there, and there were a few, but not anything I would get near with a ten foot pole. LOL.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2754712]The one Christmas I spent in Medellin I was able to find a girl on Christmas eve and visited a couple of casas on the day after Christmas and almost every day in the 5 days before Christmas. Fewer girls, but there were options.

However, I've got around 2,000 contacts, so I can always find someone, just can't always find the one I want.

The Christmas Eve girl gave me a couple of presents, BBFS and gonorrhea. Rang in the New Year with Santa driving the reindeer down my chimney every time I had to pee.

I'll be in Medellin for Christmas this year. Probably doing Christmas with the girlfriend's family, but will be taking a few days on my own.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Combo;2754811]I'll be in town Dec 17-24 so will find out. I've never been later (in December) than about the 17th. My guess is it will be good until about 12/22 or 12/23.

FWIW after Medellin, I'm heading to Cali until Jan 1 for la Feria. Cali is absolutely fantastic between Christmas and NYE. I would say it's the best week of the year to visit.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing the info.

Looks like it is still OK till just about Christmas eve but overall it is better to leave before Dec 20 or arrive after Jan 5/ YMMV of course.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2754687]Global Entry only works at US airports. It will not do anything for you at MDE.[/QUOTE]Actually, there are airports in foreign Countries that have US Customs and Immigration officers that US Citizens go thru before boarding flights to the USA. Three countries that I have been thru that have this at some of their airports have included Canada, the UAE, and Aruba.

So having TSA pre-check and Global Entry will facilitate the process at a few airports outside of the USA, but in Colombia, and pretty much the rest of the world, it does nothing for you.

It doesn't even get you TSA pre check but it still feels good to see it on the boarding pass.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754869]Actually, there are airports in foreign Countries that have US Customs and Immigration officers that US Citizens go thru before boarding flights to the USA. Three countries that I have been thru that have this at some of their airports have included Canada, the UAE, and Aruba.

So having TSA pre-check and Global Entry will facilitate the process at a few airports outside of the USA, but in Colombia, and pretty much the rest of the world, it does nothing for you.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2754671]...The debate is funny to me.[/QUOTE]

Please define what is chemistry, it matters in what way, and what is great sex. Will chemistry make a dud to become great? Will chemistry make a woman to become great in giving BJ when she has no BJ skill otherwise?

I have many great sessions in SP with girls that I just met at Clinicas. I don't speak the language so I am sure there is zero chemistry or whatever. I have SB that I have great chemistry with but she was so low mileage so she did not have the skill and needed a lot of instructions. We had passionate sex but it was very vanilla. It is great because it is passionate but not physically so it depends on how you define it.

Today I was walking thru Centro to buy another pair of flipflop. This 19 yrs old girl came up to me. I did not plan to session and told her so. She said she was hungry so I took her to a restaurant of her choice. We had a good conversation during her lunch and she was showing me pictures on her phone, talking about her family and stuff. I left after paying for the food 20 mil. Does this count toward something? Honestly I don't know based on my experience. It helps but it does not really guarantee anything. This girl might think I was a fool.

You can explain your approach and see if MB will agree the experience that costs you 50 mil is the same experience that costs him 500 mil. It can be settled quickly this way.

Did you read the post Mr E replied to?

Often when I say a girl is good, my friend would agree with me most of the time. My friend has very different approach so the only constant is the girl. This is one of them. I had no chemistry with her to begin with. I contacted her on FB around 7 and she arrive at my place at 8:30. The BBFS sex was great. I repeated with her 1 day later. One reason it is great for me because she was very sensitive and she had orgasm quickly and made a lot of sound. LOL BTW, she has a day job too so she can potentially pass the non pro, low mileage test.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2754636]... Just don't ruin it and pay them more than 70 ML pesos please.[/QUOTE]That is why I told others here that I paid 70 mil when they were paying more. I did not realize early can be good.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2754979]Please define what is chemistry, it matters in what way, and what is great sex. Will chemistry make a dud to become great? Will chemistry make a woman to become great in giving BJ when she has no BJ skill otherwise?

I have many great sessions in SP with girls that I just met at Clinicas. I don't speak the language so I am sure there is zero chemistry or whatever. I have SB that I have great chemistry with but she was so low mileage so she did not have the skill and needed a lot of instructions. We had passionate sex but it was very vanilla. It is great because it is passionate but not physically so it depends on how you define it.
[/QUOTE]You're way more analytical than I am.

Probably more intelligent as well, tho I do speak both languages very well (esp, port).

Chemistry is chemistry, Lol. I'm a go with the flow guy. I don't plan out and define every detail, prearrange kisses, etc.

By the time we hit the room for fun, I already know.

Very rarely do I order online (escorts, FB).

No wrong way, that's just my way.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2754979]

Today I was walking thru Centro to buy another pair of flipflop. ...

[/QUOTE]Another flipflop user. People like us need to stick together. In case we get identified on the streets as easy targets. We need to make flip flops the new fashion accessory of 2023.

You can tell you got a highly educated LMG when she spells love as Amoe.

[QUOTE=TomDick69;2754314]I don't speak spanish. Though I know some words and sentences in Spanish, I cannot talk in spanish. I almost always have to use translate app.

I had session with 11 girls in 12 days. All oral and sex was with condom. Some or all girls might have done atleast BJ without condom for more money. No one allowed DFK, about 2 allowed namesake lip to lip kiss for 1 or 2 seconds, half of them are fine with kissing on their face, forehead, neck. Even though 1 hour sessions sounds good value for money, I found most girls lose interest after 30 minutes. So I stick with 30 minutes unless the girl was still going good then I extend more.

I used WorldTraveller69's Medellin list and map. I am sharing here mostly the info that would be useful to update the list and map.

For all the places below, the info before ' is what I gathered from the list and map, the info after ' is my contribution, hopefully to update the list and map database.

I took photos for some of the places, please let me know if you / WorldTraveler69 needs it.

El Chagualo. West of the Hospital Metro.

2. La Casa de Doa Fanny. Corner of Cl61#53-08: At 4 pm Sat, 6 chicas, rating 5/10. Not much English friendly, didn't ask price since I am not doing anyway.

3. Calle 61 # 53-16 ?piso 2.7 pm: At 4 pm Sat, closed as expected.

4. OVO Wiskerya, Cl61#53-40 next to #42.7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, door was open to take a sneak peak, but business was not yet open as expected.

5. Name? CL 61 # 53-66, piso 2. 7 pm to: At 4 pm Sat, it was open. About 8 chicas, rating 5/10. The setting was more like restaurant bar than casa.

6. Sala de Masajes Doa Esneda, Cl61 (Moore)#53-78, piso 2: Seems no more, on ringing the bell, an 8 year old boy answered from piso 2, in Spanish.

Prado. East of the Prado Metro Station.

1. * Casa de Piedra, or Lindas Chicas, Cl58 (Av. Oriental)#50 a-54, Brown Stone Wall with White Metal Gate: At 4:30 pm Sat, it was closed (locked inside), no indication of it is occupied.

2. Barcelona. Sala de Massajes, Cl59 (Cuba)#50-12: The notice outside in spanish seems to say they moved to Cl59#49-22, but the girl at Cl59#49-22 told no chica.

3. Hotel Balcones de Cuba, Cl59#46-44, Room 301: Not there in map. Also, couldn't find. The female receptionist on piso 2 on the SW corner of Cl59&Cr47 told no massajo.

4. Traviesas Sexi, Calle 58 #45 d-104: Man inside told no chica / massajo.

5. Casa Cuba, Cr48#58-64? Maybe 68: #64 is a shop, #68 - no chica. Either no one opened or the lady inside told no chica.

Los Angeles. East of Carrera 46 (Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Pamela (ex Paisa Relax) Sala de Masajes, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-71, piso 2: Found but closed.

2. Dulce Compania, Cr45 (El Palo)#57-55:6 chicas at 6 pm wed, was told more chicas at sat noon. On Sat 2:45 pm, 6 chicas, about 6/10 rating. Didn't do session.

3. Club de Amigas Sexy. Sala de Masajes, Cr45 d #57-67: Notice says 3 k cover, was not charged, maybe for the entry to the small bar. 5 chicas on wed 6 pm. On Sat 3 pm, 8 chicas, rating 6-7/10.55 k /30 min 70 k /45 min 85 k /60 min. The girl showered on a nice request. Shower water is cold.

4. *Aiffe. Sala de Masajes, Cl57 (Argentina)#43-27: Wed 5 pm 3-4 chicas, my shower optional she won't. Mon 5 pm, 6 chicas. The girl was bit friendly and showered as I asked. Sun 4 pm, 4 chicas. 50 k /30 min 85 k / HR. Open till 5 or 6 pm on Sunday. In their logbook, almost every one did session for 50 k.

5. *New Life. Sala de Masajes, Cl56 (Bolivia)#43-39, piso 2: 3 k viewing fee, price increased from Aug1 5 k /15 min. So 60 k /30 min 80 k /45 100 k /60.1st time wed 4 pm: about 5-8 chicas. The girl I had insisted I shower, but she won't. 2nd time Tues. 4 pm: 10 chicas, she showered as I nicely asked to shower for 1 minute. 3rd time Sun 4 pm: shown 10 chicas and 5 more might have been occupied. She showered as I requested. She asked for tip at end, but I didn't encourage tip. She told no English, but for this, she spoke good English for this: 'tip. Tip for me'.

6. Cl54 #42-13 Turcos paradise: closed / couldn't find.

7. Cr43 #55-xx. : closed / couldn't find.

8. Cr43 #55-49. Divine women: No more, new resident. Please remove from map.

9. Cr45 #55-45. Akami. : No more, new family resident. Please remove from map.

La Candelaria. East of and between the Prado Metro and Parque Berrio Stations and West of Cr 46.

(Av. J. E. Gaitan / Av. Oriental).

1. Closed or Moved-Casa de Fantasias, Cl57 (La Paz) #50-19: Lady on piso 3 told no chica.

2. Masajes Zanday, Cr47#57 a-34, piso 2. Sun 10 am-4 pm: 7 chicas at Fri 6:30 pm, 80 k / HR, she showered. Closed at Sun 3 pm.

3. Safari. Sala de Masajes), Cr 46 #57 a-21, piso 3. 6+. 35 k /30 min 55 k / HR. 304-569-92-41,231 09 88, cell 310 837 71 39. Mon-Sat 10 am-7 pm. : No one opened Mon 5 pm.

4. Locuras? (ex-Odisea), Cl57 a#46-10 (Barbacoa and Oriental), piso 2 or 3: Girl opened door on piso2, rooms with bed on piso3, few smoking, but told no chica.

5. Paris Club, Cr47 (Sucre) #56-34: Guy inside told no chica, but saw a chica on stairs in lingerie, also selling / displayed lingerie.

6. Chicas Punto Com, Cl54 (Caracas)#49-97, piso 2, Inside Centro Comercial Boulevard de Caracas, across from El Cid: Armona Spa, 321 755 51 20. Sat 5 pm, couldn't find 97, but this was the only one on 97 piso2 across EL Cid. 10 chicas. 6/10 rating. The girl I had had attitude, showered reluctantly only after arguing. Only 1 shot and she told no more touching, shower water cold. 55 k /30 min, 75/30. In the chica logbook, it was mentioned 40, so I assume 40 goes to girl and 15 to the establishment.

7. Yakusa. Sala de Masajes (Next to Hotel Deseos), Cr50 a#53-38 (Av. Maracaibo): On Sat 5 pm, 3 chicas, 5/10 rating.

8. Zaza, Cr47 (Sucre)#53-42: Thu 3 pm Didn't like any of 5 chicas. Info on the visiting card: Latinas Sexi, Cell 311 484 87 90, servicios 50 why 70, PROMOCION 80 MIL.

CENTRO.

Taberna Montijos, Diagonal 50 (Transversal 49) #50-25? #50-15: not in map.

Bombona. East of Avenida Oriental.

1. Natalia, Cl49 (Av. Ayacucho)#43-68:60 k /30 min 90 k / HR? 70 k /45 min. Thu 1 pm. 5 chicas. Owner spoke ok english. She showered. Sun 5 pm door was closed (not sure if it is locked) and there was a bicycle blocking the door. So, I assumed it is closed.

2. Cl48 #43-63. Motel mementos plaza. : Couldn't find.

ESTADIO / La 70 - W. Of Rio Medellin, Estadadio metro.

1. Acuabella Sala de Masajes, Cl50 (Colombia) #78 a-11.3. 40 k /30 min Massage and HJ, 70 k same but she takes her clothes off, 100 k / HR FS. Tel: Hours: The entire street (Cl50#78 a-1 to end) is a big wall.

2. Oriental Spa, Cl49 b#77 a-28 (a 1 cuadra de la 4 ta brigada). Prices: _ (57) 315 787 1294.11 am-9 pm, Sun 10 am-6 pm. [URL]https://www.orientalspa.co/:[/URL] At 5 pm Thu, lady opened the door and asked me to come at 6 pm or next day. 100 k /60.

3. Los Angeles de Charlei, Cl51#74-53? Prices? +57 313 525 62 66.24 hrs.

Scort-masajes-why-erotismo-en-medellin-24-horas. Negocio: site not in map, and it is a big apartment complex with parking lot, pedestrian+car gate closed with security in front. We need to know the apartment number, then we need to clear the security gate.

4. Energy. Sala de Masajes, Cr74#49-101, near Cl50 (Colombia) right next to the Stadium. 15-20.135 k+/30 min 145 k /40 min 160 k+/ HR. (See website for prices). 436 11 31,416 83 32, out of country (574) 230 66 08.9 am-9:30 pm, ?xSu. [URL]http://fantasiasenergy.com/index.html.[/URL] Their fb page says [URL]https://chicasenergy.com/[/URL], 130 k /30 160 k /60 min. About 8 chicas at 3 pm Thu, most of them 6-7/10 rating. I paid 160 k for 1 hour and was told no more after 1 shot at 30 minutes. I said I paid for 1 hour, and the girl told me I can stay in the room for 1 hour. Without her LOL. When I told the management, the 2 ladies didn't care and told me to call policia. It's a rip off - 160 k for 1 shot 30 minutes.

El Velodromo. West of Rio Medellin.

1. Tantra Medellin "Donde mi Rey", Cr80#44 b-139.7-8. 80 k /30 min, 100 k /45 min, 130 k / HR FS. 412 7059, Cell: 314 8403 745, Cell: 301 365 18 69.10 am-10 pm.

[URL]http://www.tantramedellin.com/[/URL] [URL]https://www.facebook.com/tantramedellin[/URL].

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/tantramedellindondemirey/?hl=en[/URL] 3 chicas about 6/10 rating at 5:30 pm Thu. 120 k /45 min 150 k /60 min, no 30 minute. It's expensive, so didn't proceed.

BOLIVARIANA.

3. Name? Next door to BMW Autos (10-26-2021).

Cr68 A#43-13, Piso?. 4-5.70 k /30 min 100 k / HR. Tel? Hours? Not in list.

CONQUISTADORES. West of the Rio Medellin, behind Cerro Nutibara.

1. Luna Lunera 33, Av. 33#63 b-219.10-15. Cover 50 k (or 15 k, 2 drink minimum), Beers 15 k, Drinks 50 k, 110 k /30 min, 100 k exit fee. PBX (574) 235 4700, Cell: 3206646061, 310 835 7020.24/7. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/LUNA-Lunera-33-435027583252262/[/URL].

[URL]http://lunalunera.com.co/start/:[/URL] 210 k /45 min. 310 k for 2 girls for 1 HR.

2. Samsara Club, Av. 33#65-09.6-10. Beers 3 k, 50 k /30 min 60 k / HR. (57) (4)2657123, Cell: 31463828 93.10 am-10 pm, Fri-Sun 10 am-6 am. : Guy sitting outside told no / casa. I felt he knew I am there for chica. So, I left assuming it's not a chica place.

3. LOS Angeles, Cl33#65 c-10, Int 201, near the Carbonsito Disco. 5-7. 75 k /45 min 100 k / HR, prices go.

Up at night. 351 50 29.24/7 with appointments, or Thu-Sat 8 pm-6 am: 2 xbell (rang twice or there were 2 bells), no body seems to be there. No 'Carbonsito' nearby, only tea shop.

4. Kassandra. Sala de Masajes, Av. 33#66 b-107? Masajistas. Prices? (57) (4) 426 5122. Cell: (57) 312 890 9020.24/7: A black guy told 'no masaje.'

5. Sala de Masajes Eroticos, Cr66 b#33-07, interior 202. ? Chicas. Prices?. +57 300 235 0414. Mon-Sat 10:30 am-8 pm Sunday / Festivals 12 noon-6 pm.

[URL]https://www.eroticosenlaciudad.com/clasificados-eroticos/colombia/es/salasde-masajes/medellin/spa-para-caballeros.php:[/URL] rang 202, no one there.

6. Eros Spa. Cr81 a#34 a-15 Apt 301.4-7. 70-100 k / HR. Tel: Call First, WhatsApp: 322-202-5690.24/7. Apartment complex with security. I felt the security knows what is going on. Took elevator to 3rd floor. Door 301 opened after like 2 minutes after ringing the bell few times. I was not allowed to enter 301, but a girl immediately took me to the 4th floor apt upstairs. 12 chicas at 6:30 pm Thu. 70 k /60 min, no 30 minute option.

7. Hostal Malevaje (Bar), Av. 33#76-85, piso 2.3+. 45 k bottle, Chicas 80 k. 250 35 32. Hours?: No bell & no body opened on small knock. Forgot my exact time, must be around 5 pm.

8. Casa Blue Room, Av. 33#78-63.4-5. No Cover. 110-150 k / HR. 250 03 63,416 83 32,436 11 31. Mon-Sat 11 am-9:30 pm. [URL]https://www.facebook.com/Blue-Room-Medellin-351315181631001/[/URL].

[URL]https://casablueroom.com/:[/URL] guy on 2nd floor window told no message.

9. Dharma Massage, Cr80 b#32 ee 41.7+. 120 k / HR. 504 64 06,310 370 96 33.24/7: Not chica place, there was a guy working at front desk. Looked like a carpenting work office.

Av80#42-84 piso 2: there in map, not in list. Couldn't find. The Av80#42 ends at like 65 or so, then #43 starts.

Cr78#32 ee-25. Breakfast 8 am+: it is 2 buildings. Found only 1 chica, looked more like a civilian eating there instead of a working girl.

In centro, at Cr50#55-14. This place was not here in ISG. 4 girls, looks trans. Didn't try. 100 k.

Tr39 a-70 a-28: some European / English guy opened the door after few small knock. He told it's an apt. I saw 10-12 people sitting around a table in sofas. Saw 1-2 girls looked European. So, it concluded it's not a chica place.

Cl32#65-40: Not in the list (?but in the map). Rang, an old lady answered from 3rd floor balcony in Spanish. I had eye contact with her but I think I didn't ask anything (chica / massage). Since she didn't open the door, I assumed it is not a chica place.[/QUOTE]I hope you shared this on the map thread. Very much needed and very much appreciated.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754865]There will be less Gringos around during the time frame you mentioned, and up until Christmas, lots of girls will be trying to make as much money as they can so they can buy gifts and have money to celebrate with their families.

However, there will also be a huge uptick in crime, there's always more the few weeks leading up to Christmas, so you can never let your guard down.

If you haven't purchased your tickets yet you might want to consider returning on 25th, the airfare will be lower and things will be pretty much dead, albeit there will be some SW's out on Christmas Day in Centro. I was in Medellin last Christmas Day and was curious as to what was out there, and there were a few, but not anything I would get near with a ten foot pole. LOL.[/QUOTE]I had read about girls trying to make as much money as they can before Christmas but your point about higher crime certainly makes sense and has not been mentioned elsewhere. Thanks for pointing it out.

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2754694]Did you declare the coffee? I love that Juan Valdez and brought back three 1 lb bags last time. I was so tired I forgot to declare it and did not get searched. I have global entry. Is it OK to bring back coffee, just not too much?[/QUOTE]I came from Sp Brazil, then Medellin Colombia to Florida customs. Brought back about 5 bags all beans (never bring ground) I declared and the guy waved me through at Global entry lane. Didn't even bother open anything.

[QUOTE=FunLuvr;2754687]Global Entry only works at US airports. It will not do anything for you at MDE.[/QUOTE]Yes I know what it is.

I've had it for 7+ years travelled 10 countries no issues.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2754545]
As to why I was chosen for secondary screening, even with having Global Entry is a mystery to me, perhaps it was totally random, or perhaps for some other reason.

Regardless, don't have any bags of coffee with you greater than 350 grams in case you get tagged for SSSS, I had like 5 bags of coffee, and they were checking them out very carefully![/QUOTE]I'm sure it's just a random selection like every 17th passenger or something of the sort. I got the SSSS a couple years ago too and also have GE. Same happens with our TSE pre. Every now and then we get randomly selected and it's removed for a flight.

But Surfer I've got to ask. What coffee is so great that you are bringing so much back to the states with you? I'm the opposite and bring my favorite coffee grounds with me wherever I'm flying in the world including Medellin. I also travel with my own coffee makers one is 110 v and the other 220 v. Yes my morning coffee is very important to me LOL.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2754640]What's the rate to take them to your hotel (I was at Nutibara). I asked several girls and got a variety of answers.[/QUOTE]I've never asked a chica from there if she would leave with me back to my hotel. I've collected lots of phone numbers from these chicas but never had the urge to invite one to my hotel on a different day since I can go fuck them for 70 mil pesos at the bar. When I've asked for phone numbers I told them I pay 200 mil for a couple hours at my apartment in Poblado. I'm curious what is the range of prices the chicas have given you? Considering you're staying at the Nutibara I'd think they'd be very happy with half that amount.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2754651]You should try at a weekend, you won't get a seat. Usually there are only 1 or 2 groups of foriegners, the rest are all locals. So I doubt foreigners will affect the price at all.[/QUOTE]Yeah I quit going on Saturdays because it's stupid busy in there. If I recall correctly Fridays are not terribly bad for my shift of 5 to 8 PM. But my memory isn't perfect and it's more of a weekday place for me anyhow.

I've brought gringos in there that ended up paying 90 and 100 mil because they were so green and had to use their phone translators. The chicas knew they could upcharge them. Just want new guys to not fall for that or they might start to think gringos should be paying more than locals. And I don't know you think the locals pay 70 mil or less? I've asked the chicas and they tell me 70 mil.

50 K should do it.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755107]I've never asked a chica from there if she would leave with me back to my hotel. I've collected lots of phone numbers from these chicas but never had the urge to invite one to my hotel on a different day since I can go fuck them for 70 mil pesos at the bar. When I've asked for phone numbers I told them I pay 200 mil for a couple hours at my apartment in Poblado. I'm curious what is the range of prices the chicas have given you? Considering you're staying at the Nutibara I'd think they'd be very happy with half that amount.[/QUOTE]

A one pound bag is over the limit.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755102]I'm sure it's just a random selection like every 17th passenger or something of the sort. I got the SSSS a couple years ago too and also have GE. Same happens with our TSE pre. Every now and then we get randomly selected and it's removed for a flight.

But Surfer I've got to ask. What coffee is so great that you are bringing so much back to the states with you? I'm the opposite and bring my favorite coffee grounds with me wherever I'm flying in the world including Medellin. I also travel with my own coffee makers one is 110 v and the other 220 v. Yes my morning coffee is very important to me LOL.[/QUOTE]

The limit is on the Colombia end. I had no idea it existed until I had my coffee confiscated.

[QUOTE=Maelstrom;2755084]I came from Sp Brazil, then Medellin Colombia to Florida customs. Brought back about 5 bags all beans (never bring ground) I declared and the guy waved me through at Global entry lane. Didn't even bother open anything.[/QUOTE]

I have viagra but would like to try cialis because of the time frame hunting pussy. Suggestions for a pharmacy close to parque lleras that I can use.

Also do you recommend using Rappi for such things as well as groceries.

On the string of is sex better by making a connection. Sure it is but I find showing respect, smiling, commenting on their good looks goes a long way. I am basically there for just sex but it does not have to be impersonal.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2755135]I have viagra but would like to try cialis because of the time frame hunting pussy. Suggestions for a pharmacy close to parque lleras that I can use.

Also do you recommend using Rappi for such things as well as groceries.

On the string of is sex better by making a connection. Sure it is but I find showing respect, smiling, commenting on their good looks goes a long way. I am basically there for just sex but it does not have to be impersonal.[/QUOTE]Every pharmacy around Lleras has both Cialis and the generic Tadalafilo. It's crazy to pay extra for the brand imo. The generic works perfectly well if you buy from a pharmacy. Most pharmacies have both 5 mg and 20 mg pill of Tadafilo. After a week or so that shit gives me leg cramps for some reason so I use generic Viagra, aka sildenafila. I like the brand Erassin which I think is made in Bogota.

I don't understand the Rappi thing but I'm old school. I like to get out and walk to get my stuff.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2755135]I have viagra but would like to try cialis because of the time frame hunting pussy. Suggestions for a pharmacy close to parque lleras that I can use.

Also do you recommend using Rappi for such things as well as groceries.

[/QUOTE]As mentioned every pharmacy will stock it and the generics (Tadalafilo) which are a fraction of the price. But why bother going to a pharmacy, you can get it delivered by Rappi.

I haven't tried getting groceries from Rappi yet, but I shouldn't imagine it'd be any different. Personally I wouldn't trust some random to pick fresh food for me (I'll walk to a shop for that), but for packaged stuff I don't see why not.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755107]I've never asked a chica from there if she would leave with me back to my hotel. I've collected lots of phone numbers from these chicas but never had the urge to invite one to my hotel on a different day since I can go fuck them for 70 mil pesos at the bar. When I've asked for phone numbers I told them I pay 200 mil for a couple hours at my apartment in Poblado. I'm curious what is the range of prices the chicas have given you? Considering you're staying at the Nutibara I'd think they'd be very happy with half that amount.[/QUOTE]To take them to my hotel while they are still working? Anywhere from 30-80 k on top of the normal 70k, they always walked off and asked the dudes at the bar and then came back with the answer. I just grabbed their numbers and hit them up when they weren't working.

This was also different times of the night and a combination of weekend/weekdays so maybe that factors in too.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755114]And I don't know you think the locals pay 70 mil or less?[/QUOTE]One chica charged me 60. Others have tried it on a little. I know the bar staff will let them get away w charging more if they can. But hell, its all pesnuts really.

There is one girl that seems to only work weekends. I have been keen to FK her for a while because she looks a resl dirty bltch. But I guess she must be because she is always busy. Hehe. Sexy figure, always wears big white boots.

But generally the girls seem to enjoy sex from there. Many visited me at nuti before or after their shift. I pay them same as in the bar. And a bit more if they stay a while. Some nice girls w personslities there.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755159]One chica charged me 60. Others have tried it on a little. I know the bar staff will let them get away w charging more if they can. But hell, its all pesnuts really.

There is one girl that seems to only work weekends. I have been keen to FK her for a while because she looks a resl dirty bltch. But I guess she must be because she is always busy. Hehe. Sexy figure, always wears big white boots.

But generally the girls seem to enjoy sex from there. Many visited me at nuti before or after their shift. I pay them same as in the bar. And a bit more if they stay a while. Some nice girls w personslities there.[/QUOTE]Is she a vennie? If its who I think it is, she's back in Venezuela right now.

I find the girls to be cool and down to earth, complete opposite of Fase II and La Isle. Plus its a fraction of the cost and your still getting to fuck a beautiful woman.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755159]

But generally the girls seem to enjoy sex from there. Many visited me at nuti before or after their shift. I pay them same as in the bar. And a bit more if they stay a while. Some nice girls w personslities there.[/QUOTE]Yeah man! If their toes are curling they are enjoying getting fucked by you. If their toes are relaxed they are bored and just laying there for you.

Agree on the personalities and that's why I like this place so much. They seem such down to earth regular girls just trying to make ends meet. I love talking to them and hearing their stories.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755179]They seem such down to earth regular girls just trying to make ends meet.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Not the 'dregs of scoiety' that others seem to think. Just regular girls doing the best they can, and having fun w it.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2755168]Is she a vennie? If its who I think it is, she's back in Venezuela right now.[/QUOTE]Which one you asking about? I mentioned 2. The one that charged 60 is a Col from Ibague. The one that looks 'dirty' - I have never spoken to her because she is always busy w Col guys. Qute shapely, quite languid, reddish or brown hair. Big white boots.

Grill Nueva Avenida.

60-70 mil is right. Stone-throw away from Hotel Nutibara so that's convenient. Horrible rooms as reported. In some of them they installed annoying green light, can't see shit. They might've at least gone with the red one for more 'romantic' vibe.

In general a fun place especially Friday / Saturdays. Mostly attended by locals, many seem to be a pop-ins from the streets with backpacks and not the night-out crowd, but I'm usually gone before 10 (metro). Line-ups are pretty good, there are some stunners to fish out but depends on the day and, as in most of the strip clubs, one has to be mindful of how the dark and red light changes the perception. Not to mention the alcohol, which can iron the wrinkles, stretch marks and reduce the age and weight significantly. It can all still be fun regardless, but one can be for quite a bucket of cold water in the face when seeing the same chicas in the daylight. BTW it works both ways so there are advantages to bad lighting and alcohol.

Couple chicas on the heavy side too. If she ain't dancing better be careful as there is usually a good reason for it. Eg a boob job with horrible scars. There are some chicas that look like they just came from standing in Centro (not that it's a negative) and in fact one time on my way there I passed a SW working at Berrio station which later came to work in the club. Some of them seem to work mostly as greeters. There is one very slim but nice shaped and tall (for Colombian standards) morena with curly hair that often just walks back and forth. No sure exactly what she's doing, never seen her dancing but I enjoy watching her petite ass pass me by.

In centro strip clubs it would be my second choice after Barra Ejecutiva in terms of line-ups. First in terms of price-lineup ratio. Chicas are a little less dolled-up there but more personable as mentioned and down to earth, showing pets and family photos etc. Most of them seem friendly with each other.

Never had any issues with drinks or staff's service, friendly and attentive. Once in the room with a girl got to keep your usual safety protocol, I had an issue only once, with a girl trying to investigate contents of my wallet.

I visit from time to time but more for chilling not seasoning, just seeing the same faces over and over can't beat the novelty of SWs and other venues for me, plus it can get somewhat awkward wanting to go with a new chica while still maintaining a friendly relations with the previous ones.

[URL]https://angeles-spa-2.ola.click/products[/URL] Anybody went here before and if so is it an GFE establishment? It's located in the Laureles area, they advertise all over photoprepagos and milerotica and seems to have really nice looking girls that provide GFE with a menu for everything on hand and is definitely something that was missing from the last time I visited.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755189]Which one you asking about? I mentioned 2. The one that charged 60 is a Col from Ibague. The one that looks 'dirty' - I have never spoken to her because she is always busy w Col guys. Qute shapely, quite languid, reddish or brown hair. Big white boots.[/QUOTE]The girl with the big white boots, I was off and must be thinking of someone else. My bad LOL.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755179]Yeah man! If their toes are curling they are enjoying getting fucked by you. If their toes are relaxed they are bored and just laying there for you.

Agree on the personalities and that's why I like this place so much. They seem such down to earth regular girls just trying to make ends meet. I love talking to them and hearing their stories.[/QUOTE]Yeah cheap drinks, cheap fucks, and 1 night on my last trip some local's novia started stripping on stage and making out with the girl, was a hell of a show. They also will put the local soccer games on the tv if you ask.

[QUOTE=RudeBwoy100;2755194][URL]https://angeles-spa-2.ola.click/products[/URL] Anybody went here before and if so is it an GFE establishment? [/QUOTE]I am curious to know how a spa can provide GFE? What are you expecting in one hour. You going to argue and throw plates at each other? Is she going to scroll through your telephone messages and ask you whio those other girls are? I mean, really?! GFE?

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755102]

But Surfer I've got to ask. What coffee is so great that you are bringing so much back to the states with you? I'm the opposite and bring my favorite coffee grounds with me wherever I'm flying in the world including Medellin. I also travel with my own coffee makers one is 110 v and the other 220 v. Yes my morning coffee is very important to me LOL.[/QUOTE]All but one of the bags of coffee I brought back were gifts.

I personally don't like most Colombian coffee because it's not strong enough for me, and I actually bring coffee from the States down with me to Colombia as odd as that may sound.

However I have found one coffee that I like in Colombia called Matiz # 9 and is very strong, and similar to Starbucks Verona Blend which you might like.

As far as coffee makers, I bring those with me as well depending on which Country I'm headed to. Especially necessary in Asia.

We seem to have something in common, but I bet when it comes to women, were probably polar opposites. LOL.

I think it means the girls engage in kissing and conversation and pretend to be interested in what you say.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755205]I am curious to know how a spa can provide GFE? What are you expecting in one hour. You going to argue and throw plates at each other? Is she going to scroll through your telephone messages and ask you whio those other girls are? I mean, really?! GFE?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755123]A one pound bag is over the limit.[/QUOTE]I saw a sign that said 350 grams, which is less than a pound was the allowable limit, and the one bag I had that was 450 grams was confiscated, yet the other bags which were under 350 grams and collectively weighed more than a couple of pounds were not.

So is there a reason why there's a 350 gram limit per bag?

Noob question, can you bring girls to your room at Nutibara without have to pay extra? Going to Medellin for the first time and will stay at Nutibara.

Many thanks!

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2755107]I've never asked a chica from there if she would leave with me back to my hotel. I've collected lots of phone numbers from these chicas but never had the urge to invite one to my hotel on a different day since I can go fuck them for 70 mil pesos at the bar. When I've asked for phone numbers I told them I pay 200 mil for a couple hours at my apartment in Poblado. I'm curious what is the range of prices the chicas have given you? Considering you're staying at the Nutibara I'd think they'd be very happy with half that amount.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755205]I am curious to know how a spa can provide GFE? What are you expecting in one hour. You going to argue and throw plates at each other? Is she going to scroll through your telephone messages and ask you whio those other girls are? I mean, really?! GFE?[/QUOTE]Haha yep that's the real GFE. But def widely accepted standard is provides BBBJ and DFK. Of course a real girlfriend feels a lot more real than those basic services. But then you also get the drama. I find Sugar Baby with the right girl to be true good GFE because she's like a real girlfriend but knows not to cross the line or the money stops. So you really can get only the good part of GFE.

To me it makes no sense on any level. I chalk it up to the same sort of pretzel logic that had airport employees handing out masks to incoming international passengers on the jet bridge. I hear that is no longer happening. This is how crazy that 350 gram rule is. There are three or four stores that sell 450 gram bags of coffee in the boarding area. You know how Colombians can be with regulations. There isn't always a thread of logic.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2755222]I saw a sign that said 350 grams, which is less than a pound was the allowable limit, and the one bag I had that was 450 grams was confiscated, yet the other bags which were under 350 grams and collectively weighed more than a couple of pounds were not.

So is there a reason why there's a 350 gram limit per bag?[/QUOTE]

That French roast style of coffee is sold at D1.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2755217]All but one of the bags of coffee I brought back were gifts.

I personally don't like most Colombian coffee because it's not strong enough for me, and I actually bring coffee from the States down with me to Colombia as odd as that may sound.

However I have found one coffee that I like in Colombia called Matiz # 9 and is very strong, and similar to Starbucks Verona Blend which you might like.

As far as coffee makers, I bring those with me as well depending on which Country I'm headed to. Especially necessary in Asia.

We seem to have something in common, but I bet when it comes to women, were probably polar opposites. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2754987]...By the time we hit the room for fun, I already know.

Very rarely do I order online (escorts, FB).....[/QUOTE]I am not that smooth, and I said that because I have seen other mongers that are very smooth, and you probably are one of them. It is easier for me to be straight to the point and that helps me avoid problems after. Twice I had to end the session in the clinica and asked the girl to get another girl to the room, seeing that I was naked, the new girl always wanted 100 are for BBBJ. The last time I had a 4 hands, same thing.

I prefer seeing girls in person too. I work and sometimes it is easier to just order online.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2755233]Haha yep that's the real GFE. But def widely accepted standard is provides BBBJ and DFK[/QUOTE]In the world of p4 p, I always associated GFE as the opportunity to spend a few days / weeks w each other, like as a short term GF. Kissing a girl in a cita, call me strange but I always called that kissing.

[QUOTE=Ottotot;2755231]Noob question, can you bring girls to your room at Nutibara without have to pay extra? Going to Medellin for the first time and will stay at Nutibara.

Many thanks![/QUOTE]No guest fee at the Nutibara, make sure the girl has ID though.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2755205]I am curious to know how a spa can provide GFE? What are you expecting in one hour. You going to argue and throw plates at each other? Is she going to scroll through your telephone messages and ask you whio those other girls are? I mean, really?! GFE?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2755233]Haha yep that's the real GFE. But def widely accepted standard is provides BBBJ and DFK. .[/QUOTE]Agreed, Steve has it right: GFE in respect to sex at a casa or strip club is just shorthand for BBBJ and DFK--with the possible addition of their being delivered with some skill, enthusiasm, and personable interaction. And, with luck, a bit of flirtatious, good-humored banter for a few minutes before and after entering the room, some apparent (even if just convincingly faked) enjoyment of the sex (vocalized pleasure, readily moistening up during foreplay and / or DATY, an apparent orgasm or two), some expert twerking in doggie and CG.

On reflection "PSE" might be more apropos than GFE for what I look for, and, as often as not, do obtain, in a casa or strip joint--or perhaps call it PSE* with an asterisk or PSE-lite (annal or BBFS unlikely). I say that as someone who's a highly selective geezer (one session at most every day or two) and can make a full circuit of the Centro casas without finding a chica with the hot enough looks and right vibe to get me into a room with her. And one who always gets agreement to the GFE/BBBJ extras in advance--rather than going with the flow as many other mongers prefer.

[QUOTE=Ottotot;2755231]Noob question, can you bring girls to your room at Nutibara without have to pay extra? Going to Medellin for the first time and will stay at Nutibara.

Many thanks![/QUOTE]Can someone explain the currency?

When I see 70 mil how does that translate to USD.

I've seen Colombian pesos to USD online.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755250]To me it makes no sense on any level. I chalk it up to the same sort of pretzel logic that had airport employees handing out masks to incoming international passengers on the jet bridge. I hear that is no longer happening. This is how crazy that 350 gram rule is. There are three or four stores that sell 450 gram bags of coffee in the boarding area. You know how Colombians can be with regulations. There isn't always a thread of logic.[/QUOTE]What difference does it make? Everyone has their quotas on duty-free items. They obviously want you to buy the commercial products that also have export duties on them. There's no shortage of good coffee outside the US. If you want more than 350 g, ship it to yourself.

[QUOTE=NilAdmirari;2755432]Agreed, Steve has it right: GFE in respect to sex at a casa or strip club is just shorthand for BBBJ and DFK--with the possible addition of their being delivered with some skill, enthusiasm, and personable interaction. And, with luck, a bit of flirtatious, good-humored banter for a few minutes before and after entering the room, some apparent (even if just convincingly faked) enjoyment of the sex (vocalized pleasure, readily moistening up during foreplay and / or DATY, an apparent orgasm or two), some expert twerking in doggie and CG.

On reflection "PSE" might be more apropos than GFE for what I look for, and, as often as not, do obtain, in a casa or strip joint--or perhaps call it PSE* with an asterisk or PSE-lite (annal or BBFS unlikely). I say that as someone who's a highly selective geezer (one session at most every day or two) and can make a full circuit of the Centro casas without finding a chica with the hot enough looks and right vibe to get me into a room with her. And one who always gets agreement to the GFE/BBBJ extras in advance--rather than going with the flow as many other mongers prefer.[/QUOTE]GFE is subjective. There's a difference when I stop by the GF's house for a quickie and when I pick up an SW. Ideally a girl at a club or spa will give you her undivided attention and not just fuck 'and fly. Of course, any illusion of GFE is shattered on payment.

I've been staying there going back to 2006. I also do Airbnb.

I just messaged what I thought was Alexa, to see about availability next month.

The reply I got was from Geraldine?

I'm wondering if that's the same geraldine AKA Demi Moore from back in the day, that's now possibly working at M1 in the Office??

Anyone on here that's been to M1 lately, who has been going there for years might know the answer!

I'm guessing Alexa is no longer there. What a shame because she was such a sweetheart.

Quite a bit of availability at M1 for next month,kinda surprising Hmmmm.

I don't live in the USA It makes no difference to me. It was a minor one time inconvenience. The 350 gram limit is a Spirit Airlines rule. That explains why you can buy as much coffee as you like right in front of the boarding gates and bring it onto the plane. It also explains why it doesn't get confiscated at the x-ray machines in the primary security area. Since Surfer reminded me of it happening to me I remember the Spirit gate agent told me it is their rule and it applies to any packaged goods, coffee or whatever else.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2755474]What difference does it make? Everyone has their quotas on duty-free items. They obviously want you to buy the commercial products that also have export duties on them. There's no shortage of good coffee outside the US. If you want more than 350 g, ship it to yourself.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755250]To me it makes no sense on any level. I chalk it up to the same sort of pretzel logic that had airport employees handing out masks to incoming international passengers on the jet bridge. I hear that is no longer happening. This is how crazy that 350 gram rule is. There are three or four stores that sell 450 gram bags of coffee in the boarding area. You know how Colombians can be with regulations. There isn't always a thread of logic.[/QUOTE]The 350 gram limit is for carry on coffee and it is a TSA rule, don't blame Colombia. There is no limit in checked baggage, but in all cases you apparently need to declare it.

TSA does not operate in Colombia. Colombia is where the coffee was confiscated. As I wrote in another post, it is Spirit Airlines that confiscated the coffee.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2755505]The 350 gram limit is for carry on coffee and it is a TSA rule, don't blame Colombia. There is no limit in checked baggage, but in all cases you apparently need to declare it.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2755217]All but one of the bags of coffee I brought back were gifts.

I personally don't like most Colombian coffee because it's not strong enough for me, and I actually bring coffee from the States down with me to Colombia as odd as that may sound.

However I have found one coffee that I like in Colombia called Matiz # 9 and is very strong, and similar to Starbucks Verona Blend which you might like.

As far as coffee makers, I bring those with me as well depending on which Country I'm headed to. Especially necessary in Asia.

We seem to have something in common, but I bet when it comes to women, were probably polar opposites. LOL.[/QUOTE]Haha yeah we can agree to disagree on women and it wouldn't be a good thing if everyone chased after the same chicas. Well maybe your point is you chase after the beauty of the ones some of us overlook. En todo caso it's all good to play the game differently for the overall good.

I haven't tried Matiz #9 but will look for it. I like bold. I'm not familiar with any Starbucks brewed coffees but I love McDs coffee LOL.

When I'm in SE Asia longer than my coffee grounds survive I do go to Starbucks and buy Colombian coffee beans. I bring my USA grounds and ask them to match that courseness. Actually I probably like that Starbuck's Colombia coffee better than my daily coffee in USA but it's a tad expensive for daily use at home.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755507]TSA does not operate in Colombia. Colombia is where the coffee was confiscated. As I wrote in another post, it is Spirit Airlines that confiscated the coffee.[/QUOTE]But TSA rules govern all direct flights going to the USA from a foreign country. That is why right before you enter the plane there are people asking more security questions and doing random checks. There is none of this had you been going from Colombia to Peru, or Colombia to Brazil, or Colombia to Dominican Republic. So Spirit did it because of TSA rules.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755507]TSA does not operate in Colombia. Colombia is where the coffee was confiscated. As I wrote in another post, it is Spirit Airlines that confiscated the coffee.[/QUOTE]TSA rules apply if you board a plane going to the USA, or even a plane flying over the USA. The airlines are required to comply with TSA rules. If it was a domestic airline and you were flying within the country only then TSA would not apply.

TSA does have a rule that pertains to carry on of powdered or ground materials and so I'm assuming that would be the reason. It's a pain in the neck for sure.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;2755454]Can someone explain the currency?

When I see 70 mil how does that translate to USD.

I've seen Colombian pesos to USD online.[/QUOTE]Mil is spanish for 1000.70 mil is 70,000. Sometimes also written as 70 k, as k is an international abbreviation for 1000. So look up the quote for the conversion, which changes daily.

Note that this report is a bit delayed. I wrote it up but didn't post it. I already had a ticket to go to Rio when I had this experience so I wasn't going to get much more in Medellin on this trip anyways.

I finally am starting to understand why people swear by Medellin. Today I met Mariana who was the best FB Chica of the trip. I messaged her on FB and we couldn't meet on Monday because she had to take care of her kids. She offered for me to come over so we could talk which was surprisingly sweet but I declined since I'm not looking for a chica wife at this time. We ended up rescheduling for Wednesday. She was very prompt in her responses. I never had to wait more than 20 minutes for one and usually it was in a minute or two. No price negotiations on FB, the only ask she had was that I pay for her taxi. She came over at the agreed time (well, about 10 minutes late but that is early by Chica time) and we sat and talked for a bit. She definitely has some imperfections that were airbrushed in her FB pictures but she is thin, A-cups, blonde, and generally good looking. Not a model but probably a decent GND type. It may also be that are FB pictures are right but she just didn't have makeup on since she said she just came from the gym. She is 25 but had her first kid at 17 and raises her kids full time. She We had rather good chemistry and danced a bit while stripping and doing some foreplay in the bedroom. Did some DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and a couple positions before I came. She asked to take a shower and I got dressed. After which she sat next to me on the sofa and listened to some music. She asked if I wanted to do anything else to which I declined because I have work tomorrow morning but she also asked if I wanted to go to a salsa club we talked about during the weekend. She ended up calling a taxi and I paid her standard FB rate mas taxi. If I improve my Spanish, I could definitely get used to this.

A lot of this has already been mentioned on the forum but wanted to share some learnings based on my recent experiences.

1. Add as many girls on FB as interest you about a month before your trip. I started a week before and am only starting to see the real dividends now (girls adding me, lots of acceptances).

2. Just message a girl the day you want her. If she isn't available, say it's ok and look to schedule some time later. No need to message her a month before your trip.

3. On FB, if a girl brings up a price, she's probably not worth it. All my best experiences were with girls who didn't bring up price in our conversations.

4. If a girls messages you first, she's probably not worth it.

5. When a girl comes over, offer her a beverage of her choice, it helps them relax and breaks the ice before you start talking.

6. The more spanish you know the better. My Spanish is probably B1 level but I still stumble over words. If you are fluent, you can develop a strong connection like some of the legends of this forum have (ex. RiceRocket). Learn some flirty phrases and just be chill overall.

7. Play some music while the girl is around. Colombians love music. Preferably something latino. I have had girls play Bad Bunny, Feid and some other artists. Once the girl is comfortable she will change the music to her favorite artist herself. The music also leads to dancing which is a great natural lead-up to the bedroom.

8. I have found doing some DATY early yields results and helps get the girl in the mood.

9. Make sure to have a clean towel ready for the girl. It's just polite. I always ask them to give it back to me so I can put it in the washer so they know I clean it after each use.

10. When discussing common topics the answers are. This is not my first time here. I love Medellin. I don't bring many chicas here (with a coy smile). I have have both Colombian and foreign friends here. I will be here for 1+ months more.

Disclaimer 1: These are just my observations and what's worked for me. Naturally, other people have their own methods.

Disclaimer 2: Mongering in Medellin takes a different flow from everywhere else I have been. It's more like dating in that the more you put into it the more you get out of it. If you have significant free time and are interested in having a number of what are basically "girlfriends", it is really good. These girls are more than happy to treat it like an actual relationship.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;2755454]Can someone explain the currency?

When I see 70 mil how does that translate to USD.

I've seen Colombian pesos to USD online.[/QUOTE]70 mil or 70 k is 70,000 pesos. Right now that's a little more than $14. The current exchange rate is 4990 Colombian pesos per dollar. Round up to 5000 and it's easy. Remove 4 zeros, double the number that's left and you have dollars. 50 mil is $10,100 mil is $20.

Do not pay in dollars. For most people tge best rate comes from bo fee ATMs. Depending on their bank some people can get a better rate from a money exchange, but not ine at the airport.

Many Colombians will omit the mil when talking price. It's always a good idea to confirm she's talking mil pesos and not dollars. Paying $200 when you think you'll only be paying $40 is a headache you don't want.

Good insights. I identify with a lot of your experiences and think you are on well on your way down the semi to nonpro path.

I wouldn't have paid Mariana in your last post unless she hinted / asked you for money or you are most comfortable paying her. It sounds to me like you stumbled onto a nonpro with her (I completely stumbled onto the nonpro facebook game by accident too and now its what I swear by).

Anyway, my thinking now is why pay if you don't have to? Lots of women will accept your money but that doesn't mean they expect you to pay and you may find you piss a few off by offering them payment. They will make it clear if they do want money. I've found semipros ask for a "regalito" followed by "da me lo que quieres" or an amount or they mention needing help with some expense they have like a sick kid. I'll give them 150 or 200 k in those cases.

Otherwise in terms of your observations, some girls who contact you first are cool too. Just chat with them and feel them out. I'd judge them based on how they comunicate and their photos more than who makes the first move. Maybe I like the flattery, but it's fun to get the "papsito" and "eres muy lindo" messages.

I also agree that setting a datelike mood and being sexually generous leads to the best results.

Finally I agree speaking Spanish reaps huge dividends as well as being observant of and reactive to the women, which it sounds like you were.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2755554]A lot of this has already been mentioned on the forum but wanted to share some learnings based on my recent experiences.

1. Add as many girls on FB as interest you about a month before your trip. I started a week before and am only starting to see the real dividends now (girls adding me, lots of acceptances).

2. Just message a girl the day you want her. If she isn't available, say it's ok and look to schedule some time later. No need to message her a month before your trip.

3. On FB, if a girl brings up a price, she's probably not worth it. All my best experiences were with girls who didn't bring up price in our conversations.

4. If a girls messages you first, she's probably not worth it.

5. When a girl comes over, offer her a beverage of her choice, it helps them relax and breaks the ice before you start talking.

6. The more spanish you know the better. My Spanish is probably B1 level but I still stumble over words. If you are fluent, you can develop a strong connection like some of the legends of this forum have (ex. RiceRocket). Learn some flirty phrases and just be chill overall.

7. Play some music while the girl is around. Colombians love music. Preferably something latino. I have had girls play Bad Bunny, Feid and some other artists. Once the girl is comfortable she will change the music to her favorite artist herself. The music also leads to dancing which is a great natural lead-up to the bedroom.

8. I have found doing some DATY early yields results and helps get the girl in the mood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2755554]A lot of this has already been mentioned on the forum but wanted to share some learnings based on my recent experiences.

1. Add as many girls on FB as interest you about a month before your trip. I started a week before and am only starting to see the real dividends now (girls adding me, lots of acceptances).

2. Just message a girl the day you want her. If she isn't available, say it's ok and look to schedule some time later. No need to message her a month before your trip.

3. On FB, if a girl brings up a price, she's probably not worth it. All my best experiences were with girls who didn't bring up price in our conversations.

4. If a girls messages you first, she's probably not worth it.

5. When a girl comes over, offer her a beverage of her choice, it helps them relax and breaks the ice before you start talking.

6. The more spanish you know the better. My Spanish is probably B1 level but I still stumble over words. If you are fluent, you can develop a strong connection like some of the legends of this forum have (ex. RiceRocket). Learn some flirty phrases and just be chill overall.

7. Play some music while the girl is around. Colombians love music. Preferably something latino. I have had girls play Bad Bunny, Feid and some other artists. Once the girl is comfortable she will change the music to her favorite artist herself. The music also leads to dancing which is a great natural lead-up to the bedroom.

8. I have found doing some DATY early yields results and helps get the girl in the mood.

9. Make sure to have a clean towel ready for the girl. It's just polite. I always ask them to give it back to me so I can put it in the washer so they know I clean it after each use.

10. When discussing common topics the answers are. This is not my first time here. I love Medellin. I don't bring many chicas here (with a coy smile). I have have both Colombian and foreign friends here. I will be here for 1+ months more.

Disclaimer 1: These are just my observations and what's worked for me. Naturally, other people have their own methods.

Disclaimer 2: Mongering in Medellin takes a different flow from everywhere else I have been. It's more like dating in that the more you put into it the more you get out of it. If you have significant free time and are interested in having a number of what are basically "girlfriends", it is really good. These girls are more than happy to treat it like an actual relationship.[/QUOTE]Excellent lessons learned and great report on Mariana. One suggestion is to moderate any claims of prior Colombian experience. Keep it vague.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2755497]I've been staying there going back to 2006. I also do Airbnb.

I just messaged what I thought was Alexa, to see about availability next month.

The reply I got was from Geraldine?

I'm wondering if that's the same geraldine AKA Demi Moore from back in the day, that's now possibly working at M1 in the Office??

Anyone on here that's been to M1 lately, who has been going there for years might know the answer!

I'm guessing Alexa is no longer there. What a shame because she was such a sweetheart.

Quite a bit of availability at M1 for next month,kinda surprising Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]As of 2 weeks ago, both Alexa and Geraldine are there. Geraldine is just as sweet as Alexa. As for the Demi Moore reference, I'm not sure what you mean. Geraldine does not resemble Demi Moore in any way if that's what you mean.

I've spent alot of time there this year. Several weeks ago, I wrote about an issue that occurred there that seriously impacted the girls admittance. When I visited a couple weeks ago, things were back to normal. This is pure speculation on my part but I do think that time period where girls were not allowed in without a scheduled date did really impact their occupancy rate. But as I said, things appear normal now.

I'm heading back to Medellin later this week. Staying in an airbnb this time but I do plan on visiting their bar at least 1 or 2 nights. If I hear of any other troubles, I'll update the board.

I like the list. I don't think any of the points are unique to Colombia. That is what makes them so valuable. I am a little troubled by the thought that anyone needs to be advised to offer guests something to eat or drink, among other guidance. It makes me worry about what some of the interactions with the girls are like.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2755571]Excellent lessons learned and great report on Mariana. One suggestion is to moderate any claims of prior Colombian experience. Keep it vague.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2755566]70 mil or 70 k is 70,000 pesos. Right now that's a little more than $14. The current exchange rate is 4990 Colombian pesos per dollar. Round up to 5000 and it's easy. Remove 4 zeros, double the number that's left and you have dollars. 50 mil is $10,100 mil is $20.

Do not pay in dollars. For most people tge best rate comes from bo fee ATMs. Depending on their bank some people can get a better rate from a money exchange, but not ine at the airport.

Many Colombians will omit the mil when talking price. It's always a good idea to confirm she's talking mil pesos and not dollars. Paying $200 when you think you'll only be paying $40 is a headache you don't want.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

I'm planning on making my first trip to Medellin mid December 17-22.

I've mongered in Sousa and Jaco pre Covid.

I'm excited to visit Medellin. The prices I seee are ridiculously cheap for everything.

Food. Alcohol. Hotels. Women.

I'm hoping to have more of a "date" experience.

Meet a local waitress or hotel employee and spend an evening together.

But will also check our el center for street action.

I'm planning on staying at the click clack.

What's the street or bar action in that area of poblano?

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2755552]Note that this report is a bit delayed. I wrote it up but didn't post it. I already had a ticket to go to Rio when I had this experience so I wasn't going to get much more in Medellin on this trip anyways.

I finally am starting to understand why people swear by Medellin. Today I met Mariana who was the best FB Chica of the trip. I messaged her on FB and we couldn't meet on Monday because she had to take care of her kids. She offered for me to come over so we could talk which was surprisingly sweet but I declined since I'm not looking for a chica wife at this time. We ended up rescheduling for Wednesday. She was very prompt in her responses. I never had to wait more than 20 minutes for one and usually it was in a minute or two. No price negotiations on FB, the only ask she had was that I pay for her taxi. She came over at the agreed time (well, about 10 minutes late but that is early by Chica time) and we sat and talked for a bit. She definitely has some imperfections that were airbrushed in her FB pictures but she is thin, A-cups, blonde, and generally good looking. Not a model but probably a decent GND type. It may also be that are FB pictures are right but she just didn't have makeup on since she said she just came from the gym. She is 25 but had her first kid at 17 and raises her kids full time. She We had rather good chemistry and danced a bit while stripping and doing some foreplay in the bedroom. Did some DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and a couple positions before I came. She asked to take a shower and I got dressed. After which she sat next to me on the sofa and listened to some music. She asked if I wanted to do anything else to which I declined because I have work tomorrow morning but she also asked if I wanted to go to a salsa club we talked about during the weekend. She ended up calling a taxi and I paid her standard FB rate mas taxi. If I improve my Spanish, I could definitely get used to this.[/QUOTE]How much was the standard FB fee that you paid and around how much do the taxis cost if you are staying in Poblado round trip for the chicas?

[QUOTE=AmorPorFavor;2755760]How much was the standard FB fee that you paid and around how much do the taxis cost if you are staying in Poblado round trip for the chicas?[/QUOTE]200-250 k is standard in my experience. I just use ubers and its a few dollars there and few dollars to send them back.

[quote] As of 2 weeks ago, both Alexa and Geraldine are there. Geraldine is just as sweet as Alexa. As for the Demi Moore reference, I'm not sure what you mean. Geraldine does not resemble Demi Moore in any way if that's what you mean. / quote].

There was a popular puta at the Mansion 10 or more years ago, named Geraldine. Some said she looked like actress Demi Moore. I really can't say that I am familiar with either person. But I have seen "that Geraldine" at parties long past. Unless "your Geraldine " is about 35 years old, Its not her.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2755762]200-250 k is standard in my experience. I just use ubers and its a few dollars there and few dollars to send them back.[/QUOTE]With the current, outrageous, exchange rate, its closer to 300-350 mil.

Has anyone tried to connect the new iPhone 14 to Claro for example? These new US version of these phones only have esims, not a physical sim. I've never had a problem with my iPhone 11. I want to make sure it works before getting an upgrade and going back to Colombia.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2755497]I've been staying there going back to 2006. I also do Airbnb.

I just messaged what I thought was Alexa, to see about availability next month.

The reply I got was from Geraldine?

I'm wondering if that's the same geraldine AKA Demi Moore from back in the day, that's now possibly working at M1 in the Office??

Anyone on here that's been to M1 lately, who has been going there for years might know the answer!

I'm guessing Alexa is no longer there. What a shame because she was such a sweetheart.

Quite a bit of availability at M1 for next month,kinda surprising Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]Alexa is still at the Mansion, in fact part owner. The main owner is Robert. They are paying off Greg to buy it.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2755684]I like the list. I don't think any of the points are unique to Colombia. That is what makes them so valuable. I am a little troubled by the thought that anyone needs to be advised to offer guests something to eat or drink, among other guidance. It makes me worry about what some of the interactions with the girls are like.[/QUOTE]Thinking of a girl who you are paying to fuck as a guest is a slightly different mindset than what many may be used to. When you are calling over escorts or going to strip clubs and brothels, any time spent ordering, waiting for, and consuming food or drink is time on the clock you are paying for, not to mention the cost of the food / drink. With these Medellin FB girls, it is way more like a date, and you can and should approach it like you would a date, rather than how you would approach meeting with a working girl.

[QUOTE=DandyMan51;2755554]A lot of this has already been mentioned on the forum but wanted to share some learnings based on my recent experiences.

1. Add as many girls on FB as interest you about a month before your trip. I started a week before and am only starting to see the real dividends now (girls adding me, lots of acceptances).

2. Just message a girl the day you want her. If she isn't available, say it's ok and look to schedule some time later. No need to message her a month before your trip.

3. On FB, if a girl brings up a price, she's probably not worth it. All my best experiences were with girls who didn't bring up price in our conversations.

4. If a girls messages you first, she's probably not worth it.

5. When a girl comes over, offer her a beverage of her choice, it helps them relax and breaks the ice before you start talking.

6. The more spanish you know the better. My Spanish is probably B1 level but I still stumble over words. If you are fluent, you can develop a strong connection like some of the legends of this forum have (ex. RiceRocket). Learn some flirty phrases and just be chill overall.

7. Play some music while the girl is around. Colombians love music. Preferably something latino. I have had girls play Bad Bunny, Feid and some other artists. Once the girl is comfortable she will change the music to her favorite artist herself. The music also leads to dancing which is a great natural lead-up to the bedroom.

8. I have found doing some DATY early yields results and helps get the girl in the mood.

9. Make sure to have a clean towel ready for the girl. It's just polite. I always ask them to give it back to me so I can put it in the washer so they know I clean it after each use.

10. When discussing common topics the answers are. This is not my first time here. I love Medellin. I don't bring many chicas here (with a coy smile). I have have both Colombian and foreign friends here. I will be here for 1+ months more.

Disclaimer 1: These are just my observations and what's worked for me. Naturally, other people have their own methods.

Disclaimer 2: Mongering in Medellin takes a different flow from everywhere else I have been. It's more like dating in that the more you put into it the more you get out of it. If you have significant free time and are interested in having a number of what are basically "girlfriends", it is really good. These girls are more than happy to treat it like an actual relationship.[/QUOTE]Great list and agree with most of your points. Including that Colombia is different. Suggest Smirnoff Green Apple. The drink of choice for many FB girls. And get some chips. They all seem to love to munch down. A JBL blue tooth speaker for the tunes. Play Carol G! And a jacuzzi. They love jacuzzis. Rock on!

[QUOTE]What's the street or bar action in that area of poblano? [/QUOTE]Desperate and dangerous venezolanas in the street. Colombian uber-sharks in the bars. Not a great place to find a "sweety".

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2755217]I personally don't like most Colombian coffee because it's not strong enough for me, ...[/QUOTE]I like strong coffee too. Have you seen the stainless steel commercial pot like in the picture? They are in most local places. Some places actually have pretty good coffee. One day, I was asking for a second cup, she asked [B]fuerte[/B] as she knew I drink a lot of black coffee. I said yes, and I realized the coffee was brewed very strong and was diluted with hot water. One cup is diluted, the other is not.

The last two pictures are in Sao Paulo, but this place doesn't dilute it and only gives you a small cup after but it is very strong. I usually will order another one

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2755762]200-250 k is standard in my experience. I just use ubers and its a few dollars there and few dollars to send them back.[/QUOTE]I disagree that there is some "standard" FB rate. Each girl is different. Some girls will accept 200-250 k, some girls will reject it as too low. Some girls are younger, some girls are older. Some girls are very experienced, some girls are just starting out. Some girls are very attractive, some girls are average looking. Some girls are slim, some girls are chubby. Based on these factors, each girl will determine her own rate. You determine what you want to pay and the girl will decide whether she will accept it. 200-250 k is a good starting point and then you will have to decide whether to move up your bid or lose the girl. Another factor is how long you want her to stay. There is a difference between one hour and two hours. There is also the factors of covered versus uncovered blowjobs and barebacking. All these are factors in the amount of money that the girl will want.

[QUOTE=Recondite;2755567]...I wouldn't have paid Mariana in your last post unless she hinted / asked you for money ....[/QUOTE]I am not sure about it. I think it depends. I am guessing you are attractive in some way or are young, that gives the girl a reason to have sex with you for free. In this case, she is taking care of a kid full time so I think she came straight for sex because of money.

I have free sex offer but they came like this. This is a threesome.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2755845]I am not sure about it. I think it depends. I am guessing you are attractive in some way or are young, that gives the girl a reason to have sex with you for free. In this case, she is taking care of a kid full time so I think she came straight for sex because of money.

I have free sex offer but they came like this. This is a threesome.[/QUOTE]She said she was looking for both money and tussi.

"Las dos” from your conversation.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;2755749]Thanks for the advice.

I'm planning on making my first trip to Medellin mid December 17-22.

I've mongered in Sousa and Jaco pre Covid.

I'm excited to visit Medellin. The prices I seee are ridiculously cheap for everything.

Food. Alcohol. Hotels. Women.

I'm hoping to have more of a "date" experience.

Meet a local waitress or hotel employee and spend an evening together.

But will also check our el center for street action.

I'm planning on staying at the click clack.

What's the street or bar action in that area of poblano?[/QUOTE]Poblado, and you most likely you won't be able to bring guests into Click Clack, if that is a concern.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2755870]She said she was looking for both money and tussi.

"Las dos from your conversation.[/QUOTE]I only have very basic Spanish. You may be correct. Shouldn't it be LOS dos if it is [B]el tussi[/B]? That was what got me confused because she used LOS 3 correctly. And she would not give me a price either.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2755878]I only have very basic Spanish. You may be correct. Shouldn't it be LOS dos if it is [B]el tussi[/B]? That was what got me confused because she used LOS 3 correctly. And she would not give me a price either.[/QUOTE]Las dos cosas?

[QUOTE=Nounce;2755845]I am not sure about it. I think it depends. I am guessing you are attractive in some way or are young, that gives the girl a reason to have sex with you for free. In this case, she is taking care of a kid full time so I think she came straight for sex because of money.

I have free sex offer but they came like this. This is a threesome.[/QUOTE]By "las dos" she means las dos cosas and is clearly stating that she wants money and tussi. I'd stay away from this chick if I were you. Drugs with maybe an exception for weed are bad mmmkay LOL. Anyways your call but me personally I like to stay sober during my sessions.

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2755802]Alexa is still at the Mansion, in fact part owner. The main owner is Robert. They are paying off Greg to buy it.[/QUOTE]Greg will rip them off and screw them.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2755882]Las dos cosas?[/QUOTE]Yes. Exactly.

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2755765]With the current, outrageous, exchange rate, its closer to 300-350 mil.[/QUOTE]Pardon but girls are now asking 300-350 because they know the exchange rate is high?

[QUOTE=HuskerDude;2755802]Alexa is still at the Mansion, in fact part owner. The main owner is Robert. They are paying off Greg to buy it.[/QUOTE]I thought it was recently sold so new owners and that Robert the former owner then? Pre Covid he was usually at the bar at night and usually had a girl not of the mansion with him. The guy I am thinking of also had a Hummer parked outside the hotel at night. Thanks.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2755882]Las dos cosas?[/QUOTE]We have a winner!

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2755765]With the current, outrageous, exchange rate, its closer to 300-350 mil.[/QUOTE]The chicas don't really keep up with the exchange rate from my experience.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2755844]I disagree that there is some "standard" FB rate. Each girl is different. Some girls will accept 200-250 k, some girls will reject it as too low. Some girls are younger, some girls are older. Some girls are very experienced, some girls are just starting out. Some girls are very attractive, some girls are average looking. Some girls are slim, some girls are chubby. Based on these factors, each girl will determine her own rate. You determine what you want to pay and the girl will decide whether she will accept it. 200-250 k is a good starting point and then you will have to decide whether to move up your bid or lose the girl. Another factor is how long you want her to stay. There is a difference between one hour and two hours. There is also the factors of covered versus uncovered blowjobs and barebacking. All these are factors in the amount of money that the girl will want.[/QUOTE]I just threw out a ballpark number for the individual as a starting point. I have paid 0 pesos for a chica in Medellin and I have paid 400 k one time. Obviously, like you mentioned, there's going to be a wide range of factors that could lower or raise that number I tossed out.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756001]The chicas don't really keep up with the exchange rate from my experience.

I just threw out a ballpark number for the individual as a starting point. I have paid 0 pesos for a chica in Medellin and I have paid 400 k one time. Obviously, like you mentioned, there's going to be a wide range of factors that could lower or raise that number I tossed out.[/QUOTE]I agree that the exchange rate with the US dollar is not something that chicas follow. It is irrelevant to them other than those who give you quotes in US dollars.

I agree that 200-250 k is a good starting point. My point is that if you are on a short trip, don't let an extra 50 k or $10 be the deciding factor in whether you want to see a particular girl. Each girl is unique and if you want to see that particular girl, that is what you want need to pay to see her. When you go back home, don't be the guy who let $10 stop him from seeing a girl that he really wanted to see and say that it was the principle of the matter. Just pay the extra $10 and have fun, that's my opinion. It matters more to expats on a tight budget.

Sex workers and anyone else who conducts their business in local currency have no reason to keep up with or be aware of foreign exchange rates. People with access to foreign currency and who have the need to conduct foreign exchange transactions do have reasons to keep up with and be aware of exchange rates.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756001]The chicas don't really keep up with the exchange rate from my experience.

I just threw out a ballpark number for the individual as a starting point. I have paid 0 pesos for a chica in Medellin and I have paid 400 k one time. Obviously, like you mentioned, there's going to be a wide range of factors that could lower or raise that number I tossed out.[/QUOTE]

He probably meant the standard amount he pays. You two are saying the same thing in different ways. Each person's standard rate he pays will differ according to which girls he frequents and what activity takes place. I think it's in the girls' favor that guys imagine their is some sort of set fee they can benchmark because the girls are all trying to get as much as they can per go.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2755844]I disagree that there is some "standard" FB rate. Each girl is different. Some girls will accept 200-250 k, some girls will reject it as too low. Some girls are younger, some girls are older. Some girls are very experienced, some girls are just starting out. Some girls are very attractive, some girls are average looking. Some girls are slim, some girls are chubby. Based on these factors, each girl will determine her own rate. You determine what you want to pay and the girl will decide whether she will accept it. 200-250 k is a good starting point and then you will have to decide whether to move up your bid or lose the girl. Another factor is how long you want her to stay. There is a difference between one hour and two hours. There is also the factors of covered versus uncovered blowjobs and barebacking. All these are factors in the amount of money that the girl will want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2755893]By "las dos" she means las dos cosas and is clearly stating that she wants money and tussi. I'd stay away from this chick if I were you. Drugs with maybe an exception for weed are bad mmmkay LOL. Anyways your call but me personally I like to stay sober during my sessions.[/QUOTE]I know your fluent in Spanish, however I've also heard LOS dos used in the context of together as well.

One of my Chicas at times say's los dos referring to when it will just be the two of us together.

Regardless, the meaning of los dos was very clear in the text messages, meaning either both, the two of them, or together.

And like you, I see lots of red flags going with this Chica and would stay clear of her as well.

I hope I'm wrong but it all feels a bit risky. I personally would walk away. I guess it comes with the territory of that tussi life.

[QUOTE=Huacho;2755903]Greg will rip them off and screw them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2755566]70 mil or 70 k is 70,000 pesos. Right now that's a little more than $14. The current exchange rate is 4990 Colombian pesos per dollar. Round up to 5000 and it's easy. Remove 4 zeros, double the number that's left and you have dollars. 50 mil is $10,100 mil is $20.

Do not pay in dollars. For most people tge best rate comes from bo fee ATMs. Depending on their bank some people can get a better rate from a money exchange, but not ine at the airport.

Many Colombians will omit the mil when talking price. It's always a good idea to confirm she's talking mil pesos and not dollars. Paying $200 when you think you'll only be paying $40 is a headache you don't want.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

I'm planning on making my first trip to Medellin mid December 17-22.

I've mongered in Sousa and Jaco pre Covid.

I'm excited to visit Medellin. The prices I seee are ridiculously cheap for everything.

Food. Alcohol. Hotels. Women.

I'm hoping to have more of a "date" experience.

Meet a local waitress or hotel employee and spend an evening together.

But will also check our el center for street action.

I'm planning on staying at the click clack.

What's the street or bar action in that area of poblano?

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2755844]I disagree that there is some "standard" FB rate. Each girl is different. Some girls will accept 200-250 k, some girls will reject it as too low. Some girls are younger, some girls are older. Some girls are very experienced, some girls are just starting out. Some girls are very attractive, some girls are average looking. Some girls are slim, some girls are chubby. Based on these factors, each girl will determine her own rate. You determine what you want to pay and the girl will decide whether she will accept it. 200-250 k is a good starting point and then you will have to decide whether to move up your bid or lose the girl. Another factor is how long you want her to stay. There is a difference between one hour and two hours. There is also the factors of covered versus uncovered blowjobs and barebacking. All these are factors in the amount of money that the girl will want.[/QUOTE]How do you find them in FB? Did you create a new fake profile or use your current real profile?

What did you search for to find single young available women?

From what I've read I don't believe I will be able to have a guest to my room at click clack.

What do you do on this situation?

Ideally would be nice to meet someone at the hotel bar and bring upstairs.

[QUOTE=Zeos1;2755874]Poblado, and you most likely you won't be able to bring guests into Click Clack, if that is a concern.[/QUOTE]Is there a comparable hotel in the same area that allows guests.

[QUOTE=Chicafan;2755918]Pardon but girls are now asking 300-350 because they know the exchange rate is high?

I thought it was recently sold so new owners and that Robert the former owner then? Pre Covid he was usually at the bar at night and usually had a girl not of the mansion with him. The guy I am thinking of also had a Hummer parked outside the hotel at night. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Robert still owns the place & drives a hummer & a camaro.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2755878]I only have very basic Spanish. You may be correct. Shouldn't it be LOS dos if it is [B]el tussi[/B]? That was what got me confused because she used LOS 3 correctly. And she would not give me a price either.[/QUOTE]If you just read the context of your conversation it's very evident.

"Do you only want Tussi, no money?
"Both, love".

Bingo, Lol.

"Are you not hookers?
"Why do you ask?

That's actually funny.

It's normal every day life down there man, don't sweat it.

Free pussy isn't free anyway (except for Mr E, Lol, just kidding).

I am thankful for the PFP.

Enjoy.

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2755497]I've been staying there going back to 2006. I also do Airbnb.

I just messaged what I thought was Alexa, to see about availability next month.

The reply I got was from Geraldine?

I'm wondering if that's the same geraldine AKA Demi Moore from back in the day, that's now possibly working at M1 in the Office??

Anyone on here that's been to M1 lately, who has been going there for years might know the answer!

I'm guessing Alexa is no longer there. What a shame because she was such a sweetheart.

Quite a bit of availability at M1 for next month,kinda surprising Hmmmm.[/QUOTE]She is not that Geraldine. This one is an office assistant who handles most of the bookings & helps out the guests. Alexa is still there but in more of an office manager type role.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2755878]I only have very basic Spanish. You may be correct. Shouldn't it be LOS dos if it is [B]el tussi[/B]? That was what got me confused because she used LOS 3 correctly. And she would not give me a price either.[/QUOTE]Cosa / cosas are feminine.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756001]The chicas don't really keep up with the exchange rate from my experience.[/QUOTE]The sharks do. And they all know about inflation and buying powwer.

Haven, but based on what I saw recently when I was in Provenza it is a punter clubhouse that makes the infamous San Peter seem subdued.

[QUOTE=KenAllen;2756068]Is there a comparable hotel in the same area that allows guests.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SpiderRider;2756131]The sharks do. And they all know about inflation and buying powwer.[/QUOTE]Well I guess I am messing around with the right chicas cause none of them have ever brought up inflation or buying power LOL.

Anyone know what the deal is on the Mansion Halloween party? I'm in town, but not staying there. A chica told me it's going down Friday.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2756008]When you go back home, don't be the guy who let $10 stop him from seeing a girl that he really wanted to see and say that it was the principle of the matter. Just pay the extra $10 and have funt.[/QUOTE]Thats an interesting attitude. For your approach to work, you need to buy in to the idea that one can judge a girl remotely and decide that she is worth having a date with, far more than most of the other girls. I don't believe you can arrive at that decision, unless you spend a LOMG time w someone. Not smthg that most here can do. So to summarise, I disagree, I say don't pay the extra USD 10. Just move on because your not in a position to decide on one girl over another with much conviction. Chances are you will meet another girl that you like in short time. You will have the same fun with this one or that one. And a lot less stress.

Sure, go ahead if you like. Do what works. Its only an exchange of opinions. I just wanted to put fwd another approach.

[QUOTE=Deafcon;2756156]Anyone know what the deal is on the Mansion Halloween party? I'm in town, but not staying there. A chica told me it's going down Friday.[/QUOTE]Friday Oct 28 at 8 PM. 200 K entry for non-guests.

[QUOTE=Shemp;2756113]Robert still owns the place & drives a hummer & a camaro.[/QUOTE]In MDE? Dang Robert's done well for a middle aged Puerto Rican guy come to MDE. No disrespect, Robert was always more helpful to me than Aussie Greg, but they all always seemed to scream poverty when guests wanted anything. Maybe I need to check it out again.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756114]If you just read the context of your conversation it's very evident....[/QUOTE]It becomes obvious once you said it. Thanks.

So I asked again tonight.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2756202]It becomes obvious once you said it. Thanks.

So I asked again tonight.[/QUOTE]Sounds good Nounce.
She's good at the game. Answering questions with questions, etc, lol.

Not saying shes bad.
I dont know.
Shes playing little games tho.
So .. Enjoy if you want. Con cuidado pf.

[QUOTE=ErrolFlynn;2756201]In MDE? Dang Robert's done well for a middle aged Puerto Rican guy come to MDE. No disrespect, Robert was always more helpful to me than Aussie Greg, but they all always seemed to scream poverty when guests wanted anything. Maybe I need to check it out again.[/QUOTE]Yeah, good guy, Robert.

Mexican.

Save yourself some time and a potentially expensive argument that could bring unwanted attention. Agree on a specific price for specific activities in advance, or move on. Red flags are flapping in each of her responses. Ignore them at your risk.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2756202]It becomes obvious once you said it. Thanks.

So I asked again tonight.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756245]Sounds good Nounce.
She's good at the game. Answering questions with questions, etc, lol.

Not saying shes bad.
I dont know.
Shes playing little games tho.
So .. Enjoy if you want. Con cuidado pf.[/QUOTE]She is a bored young girl living with her parents. There are a few like her if one is looking for under the radar FB girls. I guess she wants to have a party at my expense, and some money too. The first time she was asked to babysit so she offered her friend who I liked better. That leads to the eventual discussion of 3 P. She has been polite so I just treat her the same way. I have zero intention to invite her to my place now.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2756032]...And like you, I see lots of red flags going with this Chica and would stay clear of her as well.[/QUOTE]I will give you a different take. Some girls will tell you what they like, some girls will pretend to be what you like but they are the same girl. The later are usually the more experienced ones. I made my observation based on the FB girls I have repeated. There are enough posts here from experienced members to tell you what many of them are like. I am not looking to party and have to stay sober. I just want someone that knows her job and do it well and efficiently. LOL. I let them be themselves. I have a rooftop terrace so I just let them go up to smoke by themselves while I worked. I don't know how some of them can smoke like chain smoker and still functioning like it is nothing. My place is large enough so I also let them enjoy their music with sound tuned to the max by themselves in their own area too. LOL.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2756321]I will give you a different take. Some girls will tell you what they like, some girls will pretend to be what you like but they are the same girl. The later are usually the more experienced ones. I made my observation based on the FB girls I have repeated. There are enough posts here from experienced members to tell you what many of them are like. I am not looking to party and have to stay sober. I just want someone that knows her job and do it well and efficiently. LOL. I let them be themselves. I have a rooftop terrace so I just let them go up to smoke by themselves while I worked. I don't know how some of them can smoke like chain smoker and still functioning like it is nothing. My place is large enough so I also let them enjoy their music with sound tuned to the max by themselves in their own area too. LOL.[/QUOTE]I, like you, have no problem letting Chicas smoke weed when they are with me, but only with ones that I have been with before, and I made my statement to stay clear of her assuming that you had never been with her before.

I think a few other's had the same concern, but did not articulate as to why, but having an un-vetted Chica come to be with you, and consuming Tussi, could be wrought with problems.

It's hard enough at times with the "language barrier" as your aware of which I struggle with at times as well, let alone all the other bull-shit that can come up, especially when these Chicas are high.

However, if you have been with this Chica before, or others you know have personally vetted her, then disregard my post.

This is just my "take" on what you posted.

[QUOTE=JustTK;2756164]Thats an interesting attitude. For your approach to work, you need to buy in to the idea that one can judge a girl remotely and decide that she is worth having a date with, far more than most of the other girls. I don't believe you can arrive at that decision, unless you spend a LOMG time w someone. Not smthg that most here can do. So to summarise, I disagree, I say don't pay the extra USD 10. Just move on because your not in a position to decide on one girl over another with much conviction. Chances are you will meet another girl that you like in short time. You will have the same fun with this one or that one. And a lot less stress.

Sure, go ahead if you like. Do what works. Its only an exchange of opinions. I just wanted to put fwd another approach.[/QUOTE]That's the problem with using Facebook or SA (at least with a mujer you haven't met before). You have little idea what she'll be like in person. She may not look as good, she may be a lousy performer, hygiene might not be great. Personally I'm not going to bid up for someone I haven’t seen in person.

While I've used Facebook a bit, I much prefer to meet chicks in person. You can get a much better idea of how the experience will be (though it’s certainly not 100%). Of course if you just want to pound her hole, maybe that's not so crucial.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2756316]She is a bored young girl living with her parents. There are a few like her if one is looking for under the radar FB girls. I guess she wants to have a party at my expense, and some money too. The first time she was asked to babysit so she offered her friend who I liked better. That leads to the eventual discussion of 3 P. She has been polite so I just treat her the same way. I have zero intention to invite her to my place now.[/QUOTE]Sounds good amigo! I've read your reports, you seem to know what's going on.

Enjoy.

I'm just back in Rio today. Feels good, Lol.
After a few weeks in Colombia, which I enjoyed a lot, especially Medellin, it’s good to be back with the Cariocas.

[QUOTE=Combo;2756348]That's the problem with using Facebook or SA (at least with a mujer you haven't met before). You have little idea what she'll be like in person. She may not look as good, she may be a lousy performer, hygiene might not be great. Personally I'm not going to bid up for someone I havent seen in person.

While I've used Facebook a bit, I much prefer to meet chicks in person. You can get a much better idea of how the experience will be (though its certainly not 100%). Of course if you just want to pound her hole, maybe that's not so crucial.[/QUOTE]This is why I like street girls / casas / el centro strip clubs. You can do a 30 min test drive for a cheap price then grab her number for later if you want to spend more time.

How do I find women on FB for my up long December trip to Medellin.

Do I need to sign up for FB dating and then search using location. Medellin?

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756355]This is why I like street girls / casas / el centro strip clubs. You can do a 30 min test drive for a cheap price then grab her number for later if you want to spend more time.[/QUOTE]Every monger has his own preference and I don't try to say that one way is better than another. I went to Medellin, I only saw girls on FB and I had a good time. That is enough for me. Should I try out the street girls or the casa girls? I probably should give them a try next time but for now I am content with the FB girls and I will probably see mostly FB girls again on my next trip. Young attractive girls at a reasonable price to me, GFE sessions, girls coming directly to my hotel room. So far, no druggings and no robberies.

From my first trip, I now have some girls that are old favorites and I will see them again. I have some good new FB choices for my next trip and the trip looks promising. But I am going to try out a street girl or a casa girl so I can give an informed opinion on the other options.

I'm with you. Sure, you can meet facebook girls in person too but it will cost you six figures to find out if it worth it to you.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756355]This is why I like street girls / casas / el centro strip clubs. You can do a 30 min test drive for a cheap price then grab her number for later if you want to spend more time.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know if the ATM's there will accept Visa or Mastercard Money Cards? The reloadable kind.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=Combo;2756348]That's the problem with using Facebook or SA (at least with a mujer you haven't met before). You have little idea what she'll be like in person. She may not look as good, she may be a lousy performer, hygiene might not be great. Personally I'm not going to bid up for someone I havent seen in person.

While I've used Facebook a bit, I much prefer to meet chicks in person. You can get a much better idea of how the experience will be (though its certainly not 100%). Of course if you just want to pound her hole, maybe that's not so crucial.[/QUOTE]It all depends on how well you use the available information.

My preferred FB girls are active online. They post jokes, links to interesting things and pictures. Not just pictures showing their assets, pictures of activities, places and people. Considering you may have several years of her life available to examine you can get a better idea about her than you'll get in 5 minutes face to face. Add in some chatting and it's not hard to make an informed decision.

However, if you just look at a couple of pics and make a decision, there's a good chance you'll be disappointed.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756355]This is why I like street girls / casas / el centro strip clubs. You can do a 30 min test drive for a cheap price then grab her number for later if you want to spend more time.[/QUOTE]Not a huge fan of the street girls (I usually hit el Centro maybe one or two days per visit). But I agree that short test drives are a great thing. I really don't want to commit to more than an hour or so with a chick I've never been naked with before.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2756032]I know your fluent in Spanish, however I've also heard LOS dos used in the context of together as well.

One of my Chicas at times say's los dos referring to when it will just be the two of us together.

Regardless, the meaning of los dos was very clear in the text messages, meaning either both, the two of them, or together.

And like you, I see lots of red flags going with this Chica and would stay clear of her as well.[/QUOTE]It really doesn't matter if it's "las dos" or "LOS dos" las and LOS both mean "the" it just depends on if the noun being referred to is masculine or feminine "LOS dos tacos" "las dos llaves" "LOS dos de nosotros" to mean the two of us. The bottom line is she wasn't the two, the money and the tussi, and I agree I'm seeing red flags.

Also you can't always tell if a word is masculine or feminine by whether it ends with an a or an o you will learn that there's exceptions to the rule such as "Las manos" "el problema" "la foto" etc.

I know some guys dabble in drugs with their chicas and to each his own but I personally would avoid that, you never know if something has been laced or how it will affect you if you haven't done it before, and also if you it's a chick you haven't met before you don't know what her intentions could be. Just like the YouTube dude that got scoped, it's just opening up a possibility for a bad experience.

Good advice, and you never know whether a girl will have a bad reaction to something she picked up on the street. Can you imagine having to deal with a girl in your room who is unconscious or worse? It boggles my mind that middle aged guys take risks like that.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756425]It really doesn't matter if it's "las dos" or "LOS dos" las and LOS both mean "the" it just depends on if the noun being referred to is masculine or feminine "LOS dos tacos" "las dos llaves" "LOS dos de nosotros" to mean the two of us. The bottom line is she wasn't the two, the money and the tussi, and I agree I'm seeing red flags.

Also you can't always tell if a word is masculine or feminine by whether it ends with an a or an o you will learn that there's exceptions to the rule such as "Las manos" "el problema" "la foto" etc.

I know some guys dabble in drugs with their chicas and to each his own but I personally would avoid that, you never know if something has been laced or how it will affect you if you haven't done it before, and also if you it's a chick you haven't met before you don't know what her intentions could be. Just like the YouTube dude that got scoped, it's just opening up a possibility for a bad experience.[/QUOTE]

Careful, once you go rat you never go back. Just kidding, I look forward to reading your findings.

[QUOTE=Combo;2756348]That's the problem with using Facebook or SA (at least with a mujer you haven't met before). You have little idea what she'll be like in person. She may not look as good, she may be a lousy performer, hygiene might not be great. Personally I'm not going to bid up for someone I havent seen in person.

While I've used Facebook a bit, I much prefer to meet chicks in person. You can get a much better idea of how the experience will be (though its certainly not 100%). Of course if you just want to pound her hole, maybe that's not so crucial.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2756365]Every monger has his own preference and I don't try to say that one way is better than another. I went to Medellin, I only saw girls on FB and I had a good time. That is enough for me. Should I try out the street girls or the casa girls? I probably should give them a try next time but for now I am content with the FB girls and I will probably see mostly FB girls again on my next trip. Young attractive girls at a reasonable price to me, GFE sessions, girls coming directly to my hotel room. So far, no druggings and no robberies.

From my first trip, I now have some girls that are old favorites and I will see them again. I have some good new FB choices for my next trip and the trip looks promising. But I am going to try out a street girl or a casa girl so I can give an informed opinion on the other options.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hunglow1625;2756387]Does anyone know if the ATM's there will accept Visa or Mastercard Money Cards? The reloadable kind.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]It depends on the card. Many of them can only be used within the US. They won't work in Colombia.

What's included in the bridal deal? Is it like a GFE or how do they differ? I saw some prepagos advertise this on their profiles. Especially Photoprepagos.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2756345]...However, if you have been with this Chica before, or others you know have personally vetted her, then disregard my post.

This is just my "take" on what you posted.[/QUOTE]It is good advice. Thank you.

I don't have any drug at my place and I don't know where to buy them. I have never met a chica that will bring tussi with them to share for free. It is not cheap and many can't really afford it like they can with weeds. I went alone to make observation.

I looked up and saw the guy across the table was sniffing white powder while I was having fried chickened in El Centro.

Which do you guys use? I would need to hit the ATM at the airport for taxi money.

Will be in town this coming mid-week. A cold beer for advice once I get there.

First time in Medellin. It will be hard to beat Cartagena.

[QUOTE=Knowledge;2756309]Save yourself some time and a potentially expensive argument that could bring unwanted attention. Agree on a specific price for specific activities in advance, or move on. Red flags are flapping in each of her responses. Ignore them at your risk.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I don't like uncertainty.

I went with a Centro girl that I have not seen before. The session was good but she asked for 80 mil after. Like GB, I don't carry much money. I only had 32 K and some changes after paying for the room and she cleaned me up. LOL. It was supposed to be 30 K. I am going to have it in writing next time. I confirmed with text again after.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2756403]It all depends on how well you use the available information.

My preferred FB girls are active online. They post jokes, links to interesting things and pictures. Not just pictures showing their assets, pictures of activities, places and people. Considering you may have several years of her life available to examine you can get a better idea about her than you'll get in 5 minutes face to face. Add in some chatting and it's not hard to make an informed decision.

However, if you just look at a couple of pics and make a decision, there's a good chance you'll be disappointed.[/QUOTE]I agree. Most girls use Facebook not just as advertising to mongers but as part of their life. They will post pictures and comments about what they are doing and what they find interesting. So if you review their FB profile, you can get a good sense of who they are. They also post a number of pictures so it is not just a single photoshopped picture. You can also video chat with the girl in many cases.

Girls posting pictures in nice hotels are also telling you that they have some experience as an escort. That could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on what you are looking for.

There are girls who are very active as escorts and there are girls who do it from time to time, the so-called semi-pros.

I tend to be leery about FB girls with a single picture and no postings.

Heading to Medellin but looking to visit another country in Latin America and stay there for about 1 month, would love advice from the members of the board and where has a scene worth checking out.

I'm considering the countries below and would appreciate any advice or recommendations on cities:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

Apologies if this is not the thread for this question.

What's offered in a Bridal deal? Is it like GFE? What are the differences?

[QUOTE=CK465;2756551]What's included in the bridal deal? Is it like a GFE or how do they differ? I saw some prepagos advertise this on their profiles. Especially Photoprepagos.[/QUOTE]Ignore my upcoming duplicate of this question, I didn't see that it went through.

[QUOTE=Combo;2756405]Not a huge fan of the street girls (I usually hit el Centro maybe one or two days per visit). But I agree that short test drives are a great thing. I really don't want to commit to more than an hour or so with a chick I've never been naked with before.[/QUOTE]Early in the morning is when I have had the most success with the street girls in terms of quality.

[QUOTE=Mtndew704;2756618]Early in the morning is when I have had the most success with the street girls in terms of quality.[/QUOTE]Sounds like the best way to get rid of morning wood. Can't wait for my trip next year.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2756588]Which do you guys use? I would need to hit the ATM at the airport for taxi money.

Will be in town this coming mid-week. A cold beer for advice once I get there.

First time in Medellin. It will be hard to beat Cartagena.[/QUOTE]The bus for 13 k COP is the best option. Ask for the route that drops you off at terminal del norte not San Diego. Then from there you are a 5 minute walk from the carribe metro station and can take the metro / metrocable / buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2756589]Thanks for the advice. I don't like uncertainty.

I went with a Centro girl that I have not seen before. The session was good but she asked for 80 mil after. Like GB, I don't carry much money. I only had 32 K and some changes after paying for the room and she cleaned me up. LOL. It was supposed to be 30 K. I am going to have it in writing next time. I confirmed with text again after.[/QUOTE]No reason why it should be 80 mil unless if it was BBFS or maybe if it was for an hour or longer session. I know we argued a while back about negotiating BBFS after in the room as opposed to before but you always need to have the pregame chit chat and negotiate a base rate before going up to the room. This base rate should be either 30 k or 40 k por un rato. Always make sure that you have that established Before going upstairs.

[QUOTE=CK465;2756551]What's included in the bridal deal? Is it like a GFE or how do they differ? I saw some prepagos advertise this on their profiles. Especially Photoprepagos.[/QUOTE]Her aunt shows up, hugs you and tells you to treat her niece right.

Then there's cake.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2756588]Which do you guys use? I would need to hit the ATM at the airport for taxi money.

Will be in town this coming mid-week. A cold beer for advice once I get there.

First time in Medellin. It will be hard to beat Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Taxi. Confirm the rate with the driver before you get in. Use one of the white taxis. I think the current rate is 85 k, but it's been a few years since I used a taxi. The price includes all tolls, including the tunnel.

First time in Colombia, flight booked already for January and I do fancy the street action and casas vibe so I'm planing to stay in El Centro.

I was wondering if it 's already for a gringo with some survival Spanish skills to.

Sit and have drinks between sections in one of the bars around Veracruz OR shall I head to Laureles for a break.

Mongering wise I was first educated in South East Asia so I 'm aware I need to adjust a few things and the above might not be as safe as I would like.

But at the same time I don't really want to spend my time in an Irish / Australian / Italian restaurant bar while I'm in south american.

Also is Parque Botero a good hunting ground apart from the ladies standing out the hotels? Shall I assume they are not pro if I need to do some effort.

To approach them? (Common sense obviously aplies) .

Thanks.

[QUOTE=SouthernOcean;2756588]Which do you guys use? I would need to hit the ATM at the airport for taxi money.

Will be in town this coming mid-week. A cold beer for advice once I get there.

First time in Medellin. It will be hard to beat Cartagena.[/QUOTE]Not nearly as hard as you'll understand soon. More women, better prices, and far, far better looking. Paisa girls are the SHIT.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2756708] Paisa girls are the SHIT.[/QUOTE]They certainly are IF you love silicone sisters. Wink.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcWVL4B-4pI[/URL]

As a whole though they are better looking than a lot of other Latinas, like those in areas where they are prone to obesity. It's all in the effort. I'd argue that Venezuelanas are the SHIT, largely because so many lack the $ to buy the ridiculous boobs and asses.

Depending on the flight arrival time the metro and buses from the terminal del norte may not be available. Unless your final destination is the Nutibara or someplace north of it like Bello then the San Diego route (which also leaves more frequently than the Centro route) is going to be a better choise. The Centro airport bus route is 15 to 30 minutes longer depending on traffic because it does not use the tunnel del oriente like the San Diego bus. San Diego is a pretty central location so taxi cost will not be expensive. The fare for either route is still 13,000 pesos.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756624]The bus for 13 k COP is the best option. Ask for the route that drops you off at terminal del norte not San Diego. Then from there you are a 5 minute walk from the carribe metro station and can take the metro / metrocable / buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

One year ago I met her in nueva bar, she sat next to me and I bought her smirnoff or something. I asked if we can go outside because the rooms on site are shit so she proposed this one motel across the street to the left. She was very nice and I repeated with her 2 more times, she always charged me 120 k or 150 k I don't remember exactly. Yesterday she: "quieero verte", I asked "toda noche"? She said: "siiiiiii". Well, how much? She's quoting $150, I'm asking is this in peso 150 k? "No amor Dollars". Colombia changed currency apparently and prices went up.

My first post.

[QUOTE=ShadowGuy22;2756602]Heading to Medellin but looking to visit another country in Latin America and stay there for about 1 month, would love advice from the members of the board and where has a scene worth checking out.

I'm considering the countries below and would appreciate any advice or recommendations on cities:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

Apologies if this is not the thread for this question.[/QUOTE]Ecuador Guayaquil, specifically the street scene on Calle 18/ Salinas. And report back here how it is compared to ground zero in medellíand. Be sure to include prices, how long the st rooms allow before knocking, and how the girls (looks and service wise) are there compared to here.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2756649]Taxi. Confirm the rate with the driver before you get in. Use one of the white taxis. I think the current rate is 85 k, but it's been a few years since I used a taxi. The price includes all tolls, including the tunnel.[/QUOTE]Yes use the white taxis. Don't screw around with Uber from the airport. And ignore all the guys inside the airport asking if you need a taxi. Walk outside and find the white taxis. I think it's been 90 mil since earlier this year.

[QUOTE=Paulie97;2756751]They certainly are IF you love silicone sisters. Wink. I'd argue that Venezuelanas are the SHIT, largely because so many lack the $ to buy the ridiculous boobs and asses.[/QUOTE]But when they do get the money there is no stopping them. A Venezuelan chick in Bogota was telling me her 18 year old daughter had to get surgery and was going to stay in Chapinero to recuperate. Day of the surgery came and she said everything turned out well. I asked her what the doctors were saying. She sent me a picture. This broad went to get some boobs and a nose job. Here I am thinking something was wrong with her.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756624]The bus for 13 k COP is the best option. Ask for the route that drops you off at terminal del norte not San Diego. Then from there you are a 5 minute walk from the carribe metro station and can take the metro / metrocable / buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Most guys showing up in Medellin at the airport don't speak enough Spanish to navigate the public transport system and / or don't want to waste any time getting to their destination.

In reality it's still very inexpensive to use a taxi from the airport to Poblado which costs 90 k. It does sound high, but the fare includes the toll costs both ways at approximately 40 K, so the taxista is actually only getting approximately 50 K.

Unless a guy is staying in El Centro at Hotel Nutibarra, which in that case I would recommend the bus at 13 K as the bus station is directly behind the Hotel.

Also, having to manage your luggage if you have a checked bag can be a nightmare as well using public transportation. Climbing up and down the stairs at some of the Metro Stations will not be fun.

When I show up in Medellin, I just fork over the 90 K utilizing a white taxi as I have usually been on a redeye and just want to get to my destination with as few hassles as possible.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756624]The bus for 13 k COP is the best option. Ask for the route that drops you off at terminal del norte not San Diego. Then from there you are a 5 minute walk from the carribe metro station and can take the metro / metrocable / buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Not the best option for a first time visitor. Not the best option for anyone with luggage. If your traveling light and familiar with the city it's fine. However, it's better to go to Nutibara if you're in El Centro or Laureles, or San Diego Mall if you're in Poblado.

The white taxis at the airport have a set price which is posted on the wall outside of the terminal.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2756820]Not the best option for a first time visitor. Not the best option for anyone with luggage. If your traveling light and familiar with the city it's fine. However, it's better to go to Nutibara if you're in El Centro or Laureles, or San Diego Mall if you're in Poblado.

The white taxis at the airport have a set price which is posted on the wall outside of the terminal.[/QUOTE]Well the last time when I came back from Bucaramanga in September this option worked perfectly for me and I got back to my apartment in Santo Domingo Savio II fast and efficiently and for like only 16 k all the way from the airport.

The reason I said take the route that goes to terminal del Norte as opposed to Nutibara or San Diego is because he didn't specify where exactly he was going. The terminal del Norte bus drops you off right there you just walk across the pedestrian bridge and thru the bus station and the other pedestrian Bridge and bam you are at the metro and can go anywhere you want for under 3 k COP.

[QUOTE=JjBee62;2756820]Not the best option for a first time visitor. Not the best option for anyone with luggage. If your traveling light and familiar with the city it's fine. However, it's better to go to Nutibara if you're in El Centro or Laureles, or San Diego Mall if you're in Poblado.

The white taxis at the airport have a set price which is posted on the wall outside of the terminal.[/QUOTE]Also I hold a grudge against taxis. With the exception of mototaxis I fucking hate taxistas.

First time in south america for me soon as well, can't wait. I'm trying to do my homework now before going. These are my comments on below, just based on what I learned online (no own experience yet): El centro is not the best place to stay, shady and empty after dark. It is not a bad idea to bring a date when you go out to drink beer, not so many single guys go out alone (I love going out alone in Thailand and talk to as many sweet young girls as possible in one night) to my understanding you will stand out even more from the crowd if you go out to drink alone, I will look like a fuckng gringoissmo anyway.

I know some spanish so I was thinking about staying in Laureles instead of touristy Poblado but I am starting to change mind, Poblado is more expensive but prices on beer, food and chicas are still ridiculously affordable. Also Poblado seem to attract plenty of semi-pros at night.

Happy mongering, let us know how it goes.

[QUOTE=ManuelRamirez;2756675]First time in Colombia, flight booked already for January and I do fancy the street action and casas vibe so I'm planing to stay in El Centro.

I was wondering if it 's already for a gringo with some survival Spanish skills to.

Sit and have drinks between sections in one of the bars around Veracruz OR shall I head to Laureles for a break.

Mongering wise I was first educated in South East Asia so I 'm aware I need to adjust a few things and the above might not be as safe as I would like.

But at the same time I don't really want to spend my time in an Irish / Australian / Italian restaurant bar while I'm in south american.

Also is Parque Botero a good hunting ground apart from the ladies standing out the hotels? Shall I assume they are not pro if I need to do some effort.

To approach them? (Common sense obviously aplies) .

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Surfer500;2756786]Most guys showing up in Medellin at the airport don't speak enough Spanish to navigate the public transport system and / or don't want to waste any time getting to their destination.

In reality it's still very inexpensive to use a taxi from the airport to Poblado which costs 90 k. It does sound high, but the fare includes the toll costs both ways at approximately 40 K, so the taxista is actually only getting approximately 50 K.

Unless a guy is staying in El Centro at Hotel Nutibarra, which in that case I would recommend the bus at 13 K as the bus station is directly behind the Hotel.

Also, having to manage your luggage if you have a checked bag can be a nightmare as well using public transportation. Climbing up and down the stairs at some of the Metro Stations will not be fun.

When I show up in Medellin, I just fork over the 90 K utilizing a white taxi as I have usually been on a redeye and just want to get to my destination with as few hassles as possible.[/QUOTE]I agree. If you don't speak Spanish and you have luggage, it is best to just pay 90 k ($19) and use the white taxis which will take you straight to your hotel. It is a set price and you don't have to negotiate. After that flight, I am tired and I just want to get to the hotel ASAP without any hassle. Taking the bus, then getting into a taxi to your hotel is more of a hassle.

Banco Davivienda did not charge a fee to withdraw pesos. I was surprised. I have a Charles Schwab ATM card so I would have gotten reimbursed but in my bank statement, I did not see any fees reimbursed for Davivienda and on the receipt it did not show any fees charged. So unless Schwab made a mistake, there was no fees charged at Davivienda. I got reimbursed for withdraws from the other banks I used. Davivienda also allowed me to take out 1,200 mil pesos at a time which is nice. The limits at the other banks I used were lower.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756635]No reason why it should be 80 mil unless if it was BBFS or maybe if it was for an hour or longer session. I know we argued a while back about negotiating BBFS after in the room as opposed to before but you always need to have the pregame chit chat and negotiate a base rate before going up to the room. This base rate should be either 30 k or 40 k por un rato. Always make sure that you have that established Before going upstairs.[/QUOTE]The girl changed the price. She was doing it to squeeze more money out of me. I think that is why she accepted that I don't have more money. I did have more but I just played dumb to make her think she got all my money. This happened to me more than once but it usually was for far less. Sometimes I just paid them, sometimes I argued with them just to see what happened. And some of them are not even strangers. I am used to pay 50 mil and up in El Centro since before pandemic. There were more FOBs then and I stayed closer. But I hear you, next time confirm again in the hotel.

I think we were talking about different context. I know your approach works for you but you are more experienced and fluent in Spanish. You do not encounter the situations that mere mortal like me encounter.

Not on your list, but Brasil would be way better than any of those.

[QUOTE=ShadowGuy22;2756602]Heading to Medellin but looking to visit another country in Latin America and stay there for about 1 month, would love advice from the members of the board and where has a scene worth checking out.

I'm considering the countries below and would appreciate any advice or recommendations on cities:

Mexico.

Costa Rica.

Panama.

Peru.

Ecuador.

Apologies if this is not the thread for this question.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SkinnyGallo;2756764]One year ago I met her in nueva bar, she sat next to me and I bought her smirnoff or something. I asked if we can go outside because the rooms on site are shit so she proposed this one motel across the street to the left. She was very nice and I repeated with her 2 more times, she always charged me 120 k or 150 k I don't remember exactly. Yesterday she: "quieero verte", I asked "toda noche"? She said: "siiiiiii". Well, how much? She's quoting $150, I'm asking is this in peso 150 k? "No amor Dollars". Colombia changed currency apparently and prices went up.

My first post.[/QUOTE]Naw that chica has just found a few suckers in the past year since you first met her. A chica I've known for years charges 500 k min now just for 3-4 hours max. She wasn't anywhere near that price point years ago.

[QUOTE=Combo;2756899]Not on your list, but Brasil would be way better than any of those.[/QUOTE]I second this!!

I would put Brazil ahead of Colombia IF it wasn't soo expensive just to get there. But that said it NEEDS to be your next visit.

[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2756767]Yes use the white taxis. Don't screw around with Uber from the airport. And ignore all the guys inside the airport asking if you need a taxi. Walk outside and find the white taxis. I think it's been 90 mil since earlier this year.[/QUOTE]THIS! Always white taxi, If you don't have cash when you arrive go upstairs to depatures and hit the Green Servicbanc ATM. It's stress freee this way for sure.

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2756931]I second this!!

I would put Brazil ahead of Colombia IF it wasn't soo expensive just to get there. But that said it NEEDS to be your next visit.[/QUOTE]The flights to Brazil are ridiculous, does anyone know why they are so expensive?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756624]… buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756881]Also I hold a grudge against taxis. With the exception of mototaxis I fucking hate taxistas.[/QUOTE]Hmmm never would have guessed that, Lol.

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2756889]Banco Davivienda did not charge a fee to withdraw pesos. I was surprised. I have a Charles Schwab ATM card so I would have gotten reimbursed but in my bank statement, I did not see any fees reimbursed for Davivienda and on the receipt it did not show any fees charged. So unless Schwab made a mistake, there was no fees charged at Davivienda. I got reimbursed for withdraws from the other banks I used. Davivienda also allowed me to take out 1,200 mil pesos at a time which is nice. The limits at the other banks I used were lower.[/QUOTE]I just reviewed my Schwab statement and I see that I was able to withdraw US $450 in pesos at the Davivienda ATM. That is 2150 mil that I withdrew in a single transaction at that ATM. That's a lot of pesos and you don't have to go back for a while. I don't like I found another bank ATM that allowed me to withdraw so much pesos, and there was no bank fee for the transaction.

Hey Guys,

I plan to be in Colombia for 6+ months every year. If there are any other longterm guys that would like to meet, let me know. Obviously, I'm mostly here for the ladies. But I don't mind meeting like-minded guys. I can start a whatsapp group of people like that (if there's a whatsapp group like that already, let me know).

[QUOTE=MoonShot;2756951]I just reviewed my Schwab statement and I see that I was able to withdraw US $450 in pesos at the Davivienda ATM. That is 2150 mil that I withdrew in a single transaction at that ATM. That's a lot of pesos and you don't have to go back for a while. I don't like I found another bank ATM that allowed me to withdraw so much pesos, and there was no bank fee for the transaction.[/QUOTE]I can report that Davivienda ATM at SantaFe Mall allows me to withdraw 2 million pesos per transaction using my Chase debit card, but it forces me to accept their 7-8% markup in conversion rate. If I decline the conversion, the transaction cancels due to an "error".

[QUOTE=BlueChange;2756931]I second this!!

I would put Brazil ahead of Colombia IF it wasn't soo expensive just to get there. But that said it NEEDS to be your next visit.[/QUOTE]Not just the $ but also the flight time. From where I live (Chicago), I need to stay >= two weeks to make the overnight flight worth it. I can no longer sleep on planes, so I'm a mess when I arrive.

[QUOTE=Balboa;2756942]Hmmm never would have guessed that, Lol.[/QUOTE]A lot of them are dishonest and will purposely drive stupid routes to run up the meter and charge you more and also on more than one occasion they have tried to give me counterfeit bills for change.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756624]The bus for 13 k COP is the best option. Ask for the route that drops you off at terminal del norte not San Diego. Then from there you are a 5 minute walk from the carribe metro station and can take the metro / metrocable / buses to anywhere in the city you need to go all without paying a fucking centavo to the rippoff scumbag taxistas.

Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]I do not suggest this as a first timer. The savings is minimal (10 as you'll need taxi after the bus)), it will take you longer to get to your hotel / airbnb, and Medellin is a large and (at times) dangerous city. The stress isn't worth it at all.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756997]A lot of them are dishonest and will purposely drive stupid routes to run up the meter and charge you more and also on more than one occasion they have tried to give me counterfeit bills for change.[/QUOTE]These are problems with easy solutions.

1. Know where you're going. You've got the address, you've got a phone. It's simple to track your progress and stop the driver if he's going the wrong direction. Usually, when a driver isn't taking the most direct route they're avoiding traffic or construction. I drive myself now and several of the shortcuts I learned from taxistas.

2. Don't pay with large bills. You should be using bills so you're owed 5 k or less in change. Use your 50 k bills at the pharmacy, restaurants and grocery stores. Always use only 50 k notes in those places and save your small bills for taxis.

You failed to mention the 2 biggest ripoffs with Medellin taxis.

1. Meter is nor reset. You should always check the meter as soon as you get in the car. I'm not sure what the current start value is, but it's around 3600. If that's not what the meter reads, point it out and tell him to reset it.

2. The tampered meter. Some taxis have an altered meter which either accumulates faster, or can be jumped to a higher number. Not much you can do about this, unless you frequently make the same trip. Pay attention to the meter.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756997]A lot of them are dishonest and will purposely drive stupid routes to run up the meter and charge you more and also on more than one occasion they have tried to give me counterfeit bills for change.[/QUOTE]Interesting that you have had these type of experiences with them. Generally speaking I have found the yellow taxi drivers at least 95% of the time to be very professional, courteous, and honest. However some of the exceptions include Holidays when there is a shortage of drivers and some will ask where your going and give you a fixed / inflated price usually at least double what the meter would be. Also at Lleras some of the drivers will screw around with gringos either asking for a fixed amount or driving an indirect route to their destination.

As far as counterfeit bills, well I've yet to get one, but the fares are so cheap, typically under 20 K except from the airport of course, so if they even make counterfeit bills of the smaller denominations which doesn't make sense, than so be it.

I think a bigger issue which nobody has mentioned are the drivers that have somehow tampered with the meters, as sometimes a fare seems way higher than it should be.

Generally speaking, the yellow taxis that are not independents, meaning they specifically work out of a location such as the EXITO in Poblado which is operated by "Flota Bernal" will not fuck with the customers as you mentioned. If they did, they would loose their concession at this type of venue.

And at the end of the day, the taxi's are so inexpensive it's kind of a joke. A lot of times I will travel from Poblado to Laureles and it's like between $ 3-4 USD so no big deal.

Anyone have any recent experiences in Gustos as to how much is takeout etc.

Salinas is earthy. I like it. Day trips to the beach don't hurt.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756765]Ecuador Guayaquil, specifically the street scene on Calle 18/ Salinas. And report back here how it is compared to ground zero in medelland. Be sure to include prices, how long the st rooms allow before knocking, and how the girls (looks and service wise) are there compared to here.[/QUOTE]

There is an app for that. It's called GPS. You can even set it to speak Spanish so your driver can't pretend he didn't understand. I hate taxis by the way.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2756997]A lot of them are dishonest and will purposely drive stupid routes to run up the meter and charge you more and also on more than one occasion they have tried to give me counterfeit bills for change.[/QUOTE]

That sucks, I am going to investigate this tomorrow. Probably it is related to the USA Card issuer but I will know for sure tomorrow.

[QUOTE=BenTiger07;2756992]Hey Guys,

I plan to be in Colombia for 6+ months every year. If there are any other longterm guys that would like to meet, let me know. Obviously, I'm mostly here for the ladies. But I don't mind meeting like-minded guys. I can start a whatsapp group of people like that (if there's a whatsapp group like that already, let me know).

I can report that Davivienda ATM at SantaFe Mall allows me to withdraw 2 million pesos per transaction using my Chase debit card, but it forces me to accept their 7-8% markup in conversion rate. If I decline the conversion, the transaction cancels due to an "error".[/QUOTE]