FKK Arabella / Villa Venus / Sauna Grimberg - NRW AO Clubs

What "AO" stand for? Mean sex without using condom? Any problem or concerns on HIV or STD if "AO"?

Thanks for explain.

[QUOTE=AllForBb;1815664]What "AO" stand for? Mean sex without using condom? Any problem or concerns on HIV or STD if "AO"?

Thanks for explain.[/QUOTE]Yes sex without condom, after many other men, but can ask your doctor, on FKK planet, HIV is only for others. When you leave AO club, you can jump from a bridge, you will fall on your legs like a cat. On autobahn in night, you can switch off lights, you will see like a cat. FKK are just magic, no disease for us, only for others = wives of AO FKK clients.

[QUOTE=ChristianG;1815461]Price similar to the other RTC? Anal & CIM inluded? Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Can't compare anal and CIM upcharges as it's not my thing. My impression is CIM is included. Some girls prefer it because it is easier physically. Price as of a few days ago was FREE admission, 1 girl = 50,2 girls = 70,3 girls = 90. But check online to confirm. I paid 90, went with a girl, and later a three way.

[URL]http://www.fkk-luderland.com/index.php/luderland-home.html[/URL]

(It looks like entry is now 20 (19.99), 1/2/3 girls for 50/80/90)

[QUOTE=AllForBb;1815664]What "AO" stand for? Mean sex without using condom? Any problem or concerns on HIV or STD if "AO"?

Thanks for explain.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rob1599;1815589]Going to make my first trip to these AO clubs in January. Has anyone ever gotten an STD at these places? Are the women required to have checkups?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]AO = Alles ohne. German for everything without.

The health related questions require very long answers if one wants to give a truly meaningful response. If you are risk averse is that really going to be overridden by something posted here? "I heard from someone who works there they are tested monthly. " How confident can you be in that statement? Even if true, how do you assess how much risk reduction that represents?

It is *very* unlikely a man will get AIDS from random unprotected sex with women. But non-fatal STDs are not as rare. But still mostly rare. HPV is probably a coin flip, but that rarely has any ill effect *for men*.

[QUOTE=Rob1599;1815589]Going to make my first trip to these AO clubs in January. Has anyone ever gotten an STD at these places? Are the women required to have checkups?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]I've been to them on 6 or 7 trips to Germany. Twice I've gotten gonorrhea. Once an infection that swelled my dick to 2 to 3 times it's normal flaccid size (not a good thing because of the pain). You may be, and many are, luckier. In any case, I would recommend that you do your non-AO clubs first so as to not ruin the rest of your trip if you get something at the AO clubs, as I assume you will not continue to have sex (or at least have only covered sex and CBJ) so as to not infect the girls with whatever you have.

Everyone is always talking about HIV but it surprises me that genital herpes is not mentioned more frequently as it is the other non-curable STD. It sounds pretty painful from the descriptions I've read. Yes, there is medication that can treat it and reduce the symptoms but it sounds pretty expensive and on top of that, some of the side effects of the medication don't sound all that great for those who suffer from them.

I didn't know gonorrhea caused dicks to swell so much. So far, I've never caught any STD and I always test clean with my periodic screening tests, but I always wear a condom during sex (100% of the time). Yes, I take BBBJs so maybe I will catch something one day, but that day has simply not arrived yet.

According to Charley Sheen's story, we know that HIV positive can be not a big problem now a day provided he follows an antiretroviral regimen. For HIV negative mongers, if use protective PrEP drugs, even ao with HIV positive pussies, no problem to get infect. But don't know how expensive these drugs caused.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1815951]I didn't know gonorrhea caused dicks to swell so much. So far, I've never caught any STD and I always test clean with my periodic screening tests, but I always wear a condom during sex (100% of the time). Yes, I take BBBJs so maybe I will catch something one day, but that day has simply not arrived yet.[/QUOTE]It doesn't. The third time I had Balanitis, a bacterial infection usually caused by poor hygiene (presumably of the girl who infected me, since I had been washing my dick at least 3-4 times a day at the clubs) and, rarely, by gonorrhea.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1815951]Everyone is always talking about HIV but it surprises me that genital herpes is not mentioned more frequently as it is the other non-curable STD. It sounds pretty painful from the descriptions I've read. Yes, there is medication that can treat it and reduce the symptoms but it sounds pretty expensive and on top of that, some of the side effects of the medication don't sound all that great for those who suffer[/QUOTE]You can still get herpes from BJ, kissing & covered sex. Not talked about much & most people don't even know that they have it.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3169-Club-Globe-Leverkusen&p=1817004&viewfull=1[/URL]#post1817004.

In putting the link to my post, I would like once more to ask moderators to put all AO clubs in a single thread including F39, La Luna, Grimberg, etc. Maybe an exception could be made for Dolce Vita Raubach and Dietzenbach. It would be much easier to read and not necessary to look for. As scattered as the club threads are now, readers interested in the Topic risk to miss out the already too few posts.

P. S. When I visited there were some 13 girls, from Saturday another 5 from closed Romantika were supposed to join. I don't know if that meant that the number of girls would grow to around 20 or if some others would be reallocated.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1817201]In putting the link to my post, I would like once more to ask moderators to put all AO clubs in a single thread including F39, La Luna, Grimberg, etc.[/QUOTE]Two posts from you in as many days effectively doubling your post count for the year.

[QUOTE=EastGoing;1782200]Your opinion about LaLuna and VV, and the related matters, really touched my heart (s'hole, if you get the joke, LOL!) and pushed me to break my press-silence. I stopped writing following the..

I know I'm going out of topic, but who cares, maybe my next post will be next year.

All the best to everyone[/QUOTE]Looks like you miss us a little bit more than you at first made out.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1816062]You can still get herpes from BJ, kissing & covered sex. Not talked about much & most people don't even know that they have it.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. You can get everything from BJs that you can get from BBFS except the chances of catching the big H are so remote as to be non-existent. There is a significant chance with BBFS though no matter what anyone else on here tells you.

Herpes is transmitted by skin-to-skin contact even from groin area to groin area as this is not protected by a condom.

It lies dormant in most people. Some people have one or two outbreaks when they first catch it and then nothing for years even though they still have it. Others have periodic outbreaks sometimes as regularly as every couple of months for the rest of their lives although the violence of the outbreak and the frequency should diminish over the years. It is the luck of the draw.

A few months ago I noticed two sores on the groin of a very popular young lady at Dietzenbach when I was sat on the couch with her, can't remember her name but it begins with the letter A and rhymes with the word bliss. Needless to say I made my excuses right away.

It is very prevalent and it is estimated that a large proportion of the adults in the US have it although most don't know they have it.

By the time a working girl realises that she has it she normally has already been infectious for a few days so it is a little too late.

[QUOTE=Myrrh;1817334]A few months ago I noticed two sores on the groin of a very popular young lady at Dietzenbach when I was sat on the couch with her, can't remember her name but it begins with the letter A and rhymes with the word bliss. Needless to say I made my excuses right away.[/QUOTE]I've been banging Miss Bliss for many years so I guess I'm still dormant. No wonder she's so moody. I just thought it was the other time of the month.

[QUOTE=VitoCorleone;1816062]You can still get herpes from BJ, kissing & covered sex. Not talked about much & most people don't even know that they have it.[/QUOTE]Well, the big H must not be that easy to catch if one always wears a condom during sex, because as my periodic screening tests show, I've never caught it yet and I regularly take BBBJs (and have been for years) but always use a condom during sex. I know that one person does not make for a robust clinical trial, but for me, it is quite persuasive nonetheless. And, just to be clear, my precautionary tests screened for both H1 and H2 and my tests always show that I have nothing.

Yes, I have read that stuff on the Internet that the big H can be caught from skin-to-skin contact, so I was pretty scared of this early on, but now I don't worry about this anymore. I think some of the information on the Internet that suggests how easy it is to catch things (even when wearing condoms) are merely scare tactics to scare the teenagers into abstinence.

[QUOTE=UltraHappy;1817701]Well, the big H must not be that easy to catch if one always wears a condom during sex, because as my periodic screening tests show, I've never caught it yet and I regularly take BBBJs (and have been for years) but always use a condom during sex. I know that one person does not make for a robust clinical trial, but for me, it is quite persuasive nonetheless. And, just to be clear, my precautionary tests screened for both H1 and H2 and my tests always show that I have nothing.

Yes, I have read that stuff on the Internet that the big H can be caught from skin-to-skin contact, so I was pretty scared of this early on, but now I don't worry about this anymore. I think some of the information on the Internet that suggests how easy it is to catch things (even when wearing condoms) are merely scare tactics to scare the teenagers into abstinence.[/QUOTE]I never mentioned the big H. Just herpes.