FKK Artemis - Berlin

[QUOTE=Photographe;1868506]Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees.[/QUOTE]Sort of true but Artemis and the other clubs have always said the girls are self employed. This smacks of being told by the authorities that the authorities aren't buying that. If Artemis suddenly changes their pricing then pricing was likely stated as one of the reasons for the raid. This is bad since it implies that all clubs are liable for taxes and shouldn't be surprised if they too are visited by the authorities.

When did this change in price policy happen? Friends of mine were at Artemis the day after the raid and didn't mention it.

HB.

[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1868083]I have no reliable info regarding the background for this change which startet last Thursday or Friday.[/QUOTE]This according to zimmerbaby.

[QUOTE=Pistons;1868636]This according to zimmerbaby.[/QUOTE]If this info tend to be official, then we should not go near Artemis anymore and move on to Hessen FKK or Nrw or Austria or Switzerland.

FKK with no rule. It is not FKK, but clients trapped working girl house.

Everything seem completely normal (Ninja in house last night, normal finance). Think official policy change to show girls independent, but actual price practice not change. Probably some legal thing. Some girls might try to take advantage but for most, every thing stays same. Always ask before zimmer, but good practice anyway.

Hard to believe when system in stress, prices would increase like 40%. And constant negotiation make experience unpleasant, even if eventually prices would settle down. Everyone knows this would mess up place. But Ninja see no change. One man, over 3 nights last week and this (suffer from Spring fever), so limited experience. But all this panic not needed.

So everyone just relax and enjoy. Slightly less crowds than normal, but good food and atmosphere and choices.

Good if others also make reports from actual experience. Zimmerbaby, what you actually pay? My guess same as usual?

[QUOTE=MrHo;1868514]I will ask management myself in my next visit, but Artemis should make some announcement on what will happen with prices etc.[/QUOTE]Under Erotics, Artemis website used to say "The charge is 60.00 for half an hour of excellent Sex (FO and Intercourse). Please discuss any further desires directly with the ARTEMIS lady of your choice.".

Now it just says "Please discuss any desires directly with the ARTEMIS lady of your choice.".

Sure they had to take the 60€ of the homepage. Most other clubs don't mention any rates for the girls.

I guess some girls will try to rip off tourists or newbies but nothing will change around pricing.

HB.

[QUOTE=HessenBub;1868693]Sure they had to take the 60 of the homepage. Most other clubs don't mention any rates for the girls.

I guess some girls will try to rip off tourists or newbies but nothing will change around pricing.

HB.[/QUOTE]True indeed as they likely won't mention pricing at the reception anymore.

Ask the girl about price the answer will be:

For standard 30 min I. E. Suck and fuck its 100 e, 50 e extra for BBBJ, 50 e for kissing, 50 e for DATY etc LOL.

Artemis will be the real shark tank ☺.

[QUOTE=Exodus8;1868706]True indeed as they likely won't mention pricing at the reception anymore.

Ask the girl about price the answer will be:

For standard 30 min I. E. Suck and fuck its 100 e, 50 e extra for BBBJ, 50 e for kissing, 50 e for DATY etc LOL.

Artemis will be the real shark tank ☺.[/QUOTE]I was at Artemis last night & it was a pretty slow night for the dames. Not a lot of punters in the house; not sure if it was because of the current legal issues or because there was some big football game going on.

Met a dame named Valentina (Colombian) who was promising this & that, how it would be the best ever, etc. , etc. I said, "You must have worked at the Palace before". She replied,

"Why yes, I have worked there. " LOL, so predictable. But I usually just let the dames know beforehand that I'm interested in an hour session & if I have a good time I'll give her.

Around €150. If I don't have a good time then she'll get the base price for an hour. And I'll never go with her again. Simple.

But I think days of the quick cheapies are coming to an end. Seriously, how can you expect a dame to pay the bills at only €60 (at Artemis) a pop?

- DSK.

[QUOTE=NookyNinja;1868685]Everything seem completely normal (Ninja in house last night, normal finance). Think official policy change to show girls independent, but actual price practice not change. Probably some legal thing. Some girls might try to take advantage but for most, every thing stays same. Always ask before zimmer, but good practice anyway.

Hard to believe when system in stress, prices would increase like 40%. And constant negotiation make experience unpleasant, even if eventually prices would settle down. Everyone knows this would mess up place. But Ninja see no change. One man, over 3 nights last week and this (suffer from Spring fever), so limited experience. But all this panic not needed.

So everyone just relax and enjoy. Slightly less crowds than normal, but good food and atmosphere and choices.

Good if others also make reports from actual experience. Zimmerbaby, what you actually pay? My guess same as usual?[/QUOTE]60 euro for 30 min, 120 euro for one hour CIM 50 euro, anal 100 euro should be the price. Which already is bit higher than other FKK in Germany, so fair enough.

Nobody should back down for some girls taking advantage and fuck it up for everybody including herself in long run. , though most of them can only think in short run.

First of all the concern about getting tax issues with authorities concerning the self-employment of the WG has right now EVERY German FKK club after it looks that the authorities have changed their position or tolerance about this. So it's very likely that ALL clubs soon don't say anything how much the service with the girls cost. Different prices from girl to girl and for locals and tourists we had already unoffiziell at most clubs which where used by larger number of tourists. So I think there won't be any large difference. But maybe better clear these things now before going in room with the girl. So at the moment I don't see any price change locals pay the old standard and tourists pay more like before. And before the tourists now here complain it's same system all over the world. I pay in Moscow, Mexico, Sao Paulo, Capetown or Bucharest also many times more for P6 than the locals there. Nevertheless at the moment Germany is for me still the best P6 destination in the world even for tourists if you prefer european style girls more that Asian or African style girls. A general prices increase even for locals I expect with introduction of the new prostitution law on July, 1st 2017.

Where I live, there are private escorts going it on their own, ladies working in brothels, and the girls doing it tough and illegal on the streets. Three very distinct and separate ways of working, and as mongering options. Very black and white.

So, this self-employed-WLs-working-in-a-brothel model and its workings will be very confusing for overseas visitors. As HB notes, it's shades of grey.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;1868492]Expect a lot of Palace girls and the old GT German regime to move north to Berlin.

I guess Berlin is out forever.[/QUOTE]Comments like these are what make me feel that the mongers who go to Germany must be the lamest mongers on this site. Too much of the mongering scene on this site focuses on the easy solution provided by the FKK clubs, which appeal to foreigners who can't be bothered to learn German or look below the surface and behind the advertisements. Berlin has the largest number of independents in Germany as well as a plethora of traditional brothels, which you won't find elsewhere in the nation.

I've never visited an FKK, so what happens at Artemis means nothing to me. I had a great time in Berlin and others can too, if they want to look beyond their nose and take advantage of what Berlin offers. As a former resident of Germany and someone who has visited pretty much all the major cities and tours every region (except Thuringia, which appears to be a dead zone for mongers) and I feel that Berlin is the most sexualized city in Germany.

BTW, I went to Medellin, Colombia and had a great time last week. The girls were young and pretty and the cost was a fraction of what it would cost for a session in Berlin. But, truth be told the Colombian chicas lacked the professionalism of the Germans. Those independents I visited in Berlin last October delivered a superb experience and set the standards for good mongering. And in the end, I felt I easily got what I paid for. So, if you are looking to have a good time in Germany, I suggest one spend more time perusing [URL]Kaufmich.com[/URL] and Berlinintime. De than worrying about the overpriced brothel called Artemis.

Your thoughts about putting travel to Berlin on hold are mine as well. Just out of curiosity who is your favorite artemis provider?

[QUOTE=Photographe;1868506]Perhaps I am mistaken, but the switch to what sounds like a pricing free-for-all isn't exactly because of this police raid. It's because Artemis wants to regard its women as freelancers rather than full-time employees. In this way, they save on contributions to social security, maybe other associated taxes and costs a full-time employer is expected to pay (maybe unemployment benefits too). Well, the club instead wants to save on these costs and treat the girls as if they were freelancers even though in many respects they must follow the rules of the club (with regard to pricing structure, types of services, lack of contact with customers outside the club, etc.) So the raid is essentially about misclassifying full-time employees as freelancers, something I myself have firsthand experience of here in the USA But I digress.


I had planned on spending a few days at the club later in May; I hope to still be able to, but for the moment my travel plans are on hold as I wait and see what happens. I might end up going to Frankfurt instead if it seems like a better situation there, though I would much prefer to spend some time in lovely Berlin and with one of my favorite providers at Artemis. Here's hoping it all works out.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MaxSquatter;1868765]Your thoughts about putting travel to Berlin on hold are mine as well.[/QUOTE]Me too, and I'm sure there would be others feeling it's prudent to wait for the dust to settle.

And, yes, there may be many alternatives in the great city of Berlin, but independents hold no interest for me, and as far as traditional brothels go, I've done enough of that to last me a lifetime.