Kyiv

Hello,

I would like to get some your advices and info re organizing a nice 3some me, my pretty girlfriend and another girl to hire.

I should be my first time in Kiev next December for 3 or 4 days.

Would you be so kind to indicate me a decent hotel in central area that allows easily to host a girl in afternoon / evening. Can you also suggest any girls / agency who provides a good couple service?

My idea of spendings is about 100-150 euro x night the room and about 50-100 euro / hr the girl. Are these reasonable figures?

Thanks in advance for your help.

If you a stingy the girls will sense it and give bad service.

If you want her to make you happy need to keep her happy too.

[QUOTE=Immy007;1214441]Where in Germany do you recommend for Ukranian and Russian girls?[/QUOTE]Best club in Germany is the Golden Time in Bruggen (near the border to netherlands). They have other 3 clubs within an area of about 30 km, this Planet Happy garden, Villa Vertigo and Living Room. BUT Golden Time is the best! All others in Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Hamburg area are (for me) no good! Golden Time has about 60-100 girls on a good day and a lot of them a really hot ones.

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1214969]Dear Kirch,

I tried to save you from some mistakes I made in my past visits by writing about them in my prior posts. However, you may be one of those fellows that needs to learn things by experience, which is the hard way.

Getting there too late at 2am:

One of the initial mistakes is thinking of Rio as a typical strip club. Most of us do our regular clubbing or bars first, and then at the end of the night, we possibly hit a strip club at 2am to be there for the last hour or so until closing to put us in good spirits before heading home. At least this is how most of my friends feel about it. However, in normal strip clubs you are simply going there for the entertainment value of the dances.

It is very different when "mongering" at Rio strip club in Kiev, because your purpose is not simply to see pretty girls dance, but rather to find an approriate girl to take home and have in your bed that night. For this you need time to complete your investigation of which girls are available (waiting for the line ups in each room to appear) and your interviews of each candidate (including inviting them to sit at your table, speaking with them and private dance with them). All the while, other men are doing the same, so as girls get chosen by others your own pool of possible candidates dwindles. Also since the closing time is 5am, and the girls want to return to the club to get their money usually, this means that after 2am you will have less than the normal three hours with the girl, and if you want the three hours for the $300 you must pay, the girl may not agree to stay with you longer than 5am, and you will therefore either not be able to take her that night, or you will be forced to compromise on the three hours time period and agree to pay $300 for less than three hours.

Therefore, at Rio, by 2am you need to already be in a position to make decisions about which girl or girls to ask home with you, and have alternatives in mind in case they say no, for whatever their reasons might be.

What all the foregoing means is that, if it is your intention to "monger" at Rio, which means you are aiming to take a dream girl home with you, you must arrive at Rio early enough in the evening in order to leave yourself sufficient time for the processes described above (investigation and interviewing). [Also its worthwhile to leave Rio with your girl some time before 2am, to allow for the possibility that the girl might stay with you in your apartment longer than the exact alotted three hours if she likes you and she will still be able to get back to club by 5am]. Not to mention that the later it gets in the evening, the more tired out the girls will tend to get, which will affect how she might perform and act at your apartment.

My feeling is that one should get to Rio around 10 or 11pm, so that you can complete the investigation and interview process and be able to make the invitation home by around 1am, or at the latest by 2am.

Wow! A 2000 bill and 2500 bill seems like quite a lot of bar spending. You must be doing a lot of drinking of high priced drinks there. I usually only order a green tea, or a cappucino, or a fresh juice, (a lot of alcohol interferes with my vitamins___lol) and some drinks for those girls I choose to buy drinks for, which will be for whatever they want within reason, like Bailey's or the like. I've never had a bill for my bar tab of over 1000, and many times get out of there with a 500 or 600 UAH bill. However, to each his own. If you enjoy drinking a lot of liquor, then of course it's ok. But just so you should know, the managers will like you even if you don't spend so much, as long as you give them a reasonable tip of at least 100 UAH each night when they assist you.

As for your observation that you have to look at the three separate line ups of girls in the club (the VIP line up; the upstairs inner and outer rooms line up; and the downstairs room line up) , yes, of course it is correct. But you would have known that from an even cursory review of the prior reports. So you learned from experience. Good.

Did you even make it to the downstairs room to see that line up, or did you only see the VIP and upstairs rooms line ups?

TANYA and ELVIRA.

I must say that I am a very big fan of the FKK's in Germany. I have written on this very subject, and believe that FKK's are better than Kiev with respect to low unit cost for sex with a guaranteed high level of GFE service, whereas in Kiev this is something GFE service (including uncovered BJ) is not guaranteed with any uniformity, and depends on the girl individually and your own skills and rapport with her.

But in all my visits to FKK World, Oase and Palace in the Frankfurt area, or in Goldentime in Vienna, I have never seen a girl on the level of beauty possessed by Tanya at Rio in Kiev. Tanya is smoking hot. In my personal rating system I felt Tanya was a 10, whereas Elvira I would have rated as an 8, if not maybe a bit lower. Tanya's truly pretty and beautiful face, coupled with her slender sexy really nicely shaped body, had me mesmerized. It was only the fact that when I first met her, she said dancer only, that I stopped trying for her, and wrote her off, just as I wrote off the amazing brunette 10, Nikita, dancer only ice queen.

The question I would ask you is whether it was confirmed to you, that Tanya does do "take out" and will accompany a customer home to their apartment for sex. Shortly after she just started working at the club, Tanya said dancer only. I was told by Tanya later in the year that she would go out with a client, but only to a nightclub. However, on my last trip the manager at VIP room said she does go out with customers, which I assume meant to their apartments, so I put her on the Rio list. But it is unconfirmed. Can you confirm whether Tanya said she would come home with you? Or did you not even go that far to ask her?

Wow! You passed on Tanya and took Elvira!

It goes to show you how different guys have different tastes. Or maybe it is a case of opposites attract, as Tanya is a gorgeous blonde, of whom there are many of similar type in Deutchland, whereas Elvira is a black haired little spitfire with a petite body but cute tush, who reminds me of a gypsy type.

I actually also considered taking out Elvira. Good to know that she pleased you. So much that it seems you took her out twice. She must have been good the first time, or was it because the hour was late and there was little other choice? I'm like that too. I tend to start liking a girl and taking her out multiple times.

LJ[/QUOTE]Hi Liljoey,

It's unbelivable how much you can write.

Yes, I totally agree with you what you wrote, but that how it is if you just have 4 days in Kiev. Next time I know better.

I have one new spot which is very good for daytime flirting. The University! A friend of us is Professor there and he invited us to go there and even we had lunch at the Mensa. LOTS of beautiful young students. But I think you need to have an invitation in order to get on the ground.

Regarding Tanya: She is beautiful! No question, but I need more Character in the face, she is too beautiful for my taste.

Elvira is great, not a suca! More a stierva Lady. She is very intelligent and we had a great time. But please understand that I don't want to post more.

There is another girl I didn't write about. And I won't because she doesn't go out but will with me next time (but for dinner and no money). Believe me that was 4 days work. She was sitting about 5 hours at my table (together in 4 nights) and I had some private dances. But here's my advice: I don't want to dance her. I dance together with her and look her in her eyes. I don't want her to undress. They get confused, believe me.

[QUOTE=Kirch;1215855]Best club in Germany is the Golden Time in Bruggen (near the border to netherlands). They have other 3 clubs within an area of about 30 km, this Planet Happy garden, Villa Vertigo and Living Room. BUT Golden Time is the best! All others in Frankfurt, Munich, Berlin and Hamburg area are (for me) no good! Golden Time has about 60-100 girls on a good day and a lot of them a really hot ones.[/QUOTE]I must disagree here, GT is second best, Villa Vertigo is better in weekends Partytime with the girls, now the club Acapulco (I was there 2 week ago) is counting as a great club ladywise in NWR.

Palace and Oase are also great clubs in Hessen, and Artemis in Berlin why didn't you like these clubs?

Nille

[QUOTE=Prosal;1215467]Mixing lot of booze with a daily 20 mg Cialis pill is my high-energy diet in FSU. Works well for me. (wink)[/QUOTE]Prosal, you're displaying comic abilities. This in addition to the other skills will surely get the devushkas into your bed, unless you pass out first___LOL

[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1175772]FFK VS Kiev Rio.

MY CONCLUSION: I think they both have their strong and weak points, so what I have done as a compromise, is to combine the two. I like to start in Frankfurt FKKs for a frenzied day or even two days, to get the edge off. And then, go to Kiev for the sex—weekend where the goal is to get the most beautiful girls possible to share my bed, and then return home by way of Frankfurt for a final FKK fling to bang as many hotties as is possible. So far, this approach has worked well for me. So that's probably what I'll do this time too.

LJ[/QUOTE]Great comparison LJ from your old post,

I just want to add at the FKK you can spend much time on pre-session for free

And you can perform or watch public sex.

FKK-Kiev-FKK that would be the ultimate tour.

Nille

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1215898]Great comparison LJ from your old post,

I just want to add at the FKK you can spend much time on pre-session for free

And you can perform or watch public sex.

FKK-Kiev-FKK that would be the ultimate tour.

Nille[/QUOTE]Nille, since I wrote that comparison report, I revised my opinion slightly based upon my own limitations. I found that after a day of crazy FKK sex banging 3 or 4 hotties, when I came to Kiev I was tired and couldn't leap into things as good as I wanted to (think: taking two hotties from Rio for a sexathon, or the like). So what I wrote later, is that for me it works best to go first to Kiev to do my best work with the most beautiful and sweet girls that I can (and sometimes I don't succeed in getting the girl I want due to certain mistakes I made, which creates deficiencies in the amount of sex I wanted to have) and then go to the FKK on the way home to do as much good sex as I am capable of and go home with a big smile and no regrets over some missed opportunities that didn't work out when I was in Kiev.

This trip I have planned for the weekend of November 24. 28, I will be not be taking my own advice, even though I believe in it, and on the way to Kiev I will stop for a few hours during the afternoon of November 24 in FKK Goldentime in Vienna to pay a visit to one awesome Romanian girl who I really can't get out of my mind (I wrote about her in my recent post regarding my October 25 visit to Goldentime). I will also stop at Goldentime again on my way home during my November 27 overnight in Vienna. The reason I am not following my own advice is that the prices on Austrian Airlines to Kiev dropped significantly a few weeks ago for the travel dates in question so I decided to book a trip, and their flights have a stop in Vienna anyway for no additional cost. So instead of just being in the airport on the way to Kiev, I decided to go to the FKK and spend time with that one girl that I liked very much (and not for the purpose of having sex to completion multiple times, although I don't know if I will be strong enough to resist temptation) , because I want to get to Kiev with all my strength intact, and tear into the honeys at Rio big time.

And yes, Kiev and then FKK land is a great combination, the way I see it. Others don't like the extra traveling, but I am stopping somewhere on my way home from Kiev anyway, so it might as well be in an fkk town like frankfurt (or vienna).

LJ

Again it is not my stamina with regards to being with the girls that is an issue for me it is the travelling itself. I find even though I have a lot of stamina that it is the flying and travelling that wears me down so that even a 1 day stop in koln would mean less overall.

Sleep and exhaustion etc. Also I would not be relaxed with a 1 day stopover I would need at least 1 or 2 nights and hence this is why I say my budget would go over. The extra 360 or so pounds that you say are not accounted in my budget are basically for travel down.

To luton airport and a daily budget of not 50$ but in fact 80£ or around 120 dollars. I always find it is best to overbudget slightly. However I am sure I could find some extra funds from this amount to make my time in Rio for girl drinks and so on alot more relaxed for.

Me and any girl I may meet. One of the main problems I am facing is that part of me is thinking sod it just go back to fkk land artemis berlin or the like and leave Kiev as it is unknown for me I cannot visualise it which makes making a decision more tricky. My personal.

Choice is to do either one location or another due to reasons already mentioned. To liljoey in particular can you sum up for me what it is exactly that Rio and Kiev as a whole can offer me that an fkk experience can't? Finally would a budget of around 700uah or £55.

Cover food / taxis / cigarettes ie daily living expenses in Kiev? (also to double check the three hours is from when you leave the club to the end of the time in your flat?ie not counting the travel time for the girl back to the club?the reason i ask is because i am sure

i read somewhere you should give the girl half an hour to get back to the club. a bit confusing) also there is no point for me to consider an agency such as gia as this can easily be done ie an outcall escort in the uk. the whole point is to experience a club take out

experience like at rio as this is not available in the uk.

[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1215868]I must disagree here, GT is second best, Villa Vertigo is better in weekends Partytime with the girls, now the club Acapulco (I was there 2 week ago) is counting as a great club ladywise in NWR.

Palace and Oase are also great clubs in Hessen, and Artemis in Berlin why didn't you like these clubs?

Nille[/QUOTE]It's always a question of taste. Villa Vertigo is a really nice club but they don't have so many girls like Golden Time and not so much hotties! That's a fact. If you like really hot girls for good GFE se Golden Time is still the best. Acapulco for me is not good at all! Very old club, sometimes dirty and the girls are not very hot.

Palace, Oase and Artemis I don't like anymore. I used to like them in the good old days. But as I said I'm looking for 8-10 girls with very very good service. Check the ijsberenforum com and compare.

[QUOTE=Mohab; 1216040]Again it is not my stamina with regards to being with the girls that is an issue for me it is the travelling itself. I find even though I have a lot of stamina that it is the flying and travelling that wears me down so that even a 1 day stop in koln would mean less overall.

Sleep and exhaustion etc. Also I would not be relaxed with a 1 day stopover I would need at least 1 or 2 nights and hence this is why I say my budget would go over. The extra 360 or so pounds that you say are not accounted in my budget are basically for travel down.

To luton airport and a daily budget of not 50$ but in fact 80£ or around 120 dollars. I always find it is best to overbudget slightly. However I am sure I could find some extra funds from this amount to make my time in Rio for girl drinks and so on alot more relaxed for.

Me and any girl I may meet. One of the main problems I am facing is that part of me is thinking sod it just go back to fkk land artemis berlin or the like and leave Kiev as it is unknown for me I cannot visualise it which makes making a decision more tricky. My personal.

Choice is to do either one location or another due to reasons already mentioned. To liljoey in particular can you sum up for me what it is exactly that Rio and Kiev as a whole can offer me that an fkk experience can't? Finally would a budget of around 700uah or £55.

Cover food / taxis / cigarettes ie daily living expenses in Kiev? (also to double check the three hours is from when you leave the club to the end of the time in your flat? Ie not counting the travel time for the girl back to the club? The reason I ask is because I am sure.

I read somewhere you should give the girl half an hour to get back to the club. A bit confusing) also there is no point for me to consider an agency such as gia as this can easily be done ie an outcall escort in the uk. The whole point is to experience a club take out.

Experience like at Rio as this is not available in the uk.[/QUOTE]Mohab, we've covered the issue of Kiev vs FKK in a prior post I responded to you in. Take a look again at the quotes at the end of that post regarding that issue. Here's the link:

[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=1197324&viewfull=1#post1197324[/url]

To what I've already written, I'll add that I understand what you mean about the special allure of a strip club environment. Most guys love it, and have always dreamed of being able to have sex with the awesome looking dancers in their home city strip clubs, but it's never possible unless perhaps one is prepared to shell out thousands of dollars for private room entertainment in some clubs. And some guys do go crazy in strip clubs and do pay those extremely high champagne room prices to try to get some small bit of action in a strip club, even though they know they could get an escort who looks just as good and will give them full GFE service for less than a third of the price. It's just something about the excitement and allure of the strip club that makes some guys go crazy there. The number of times I have attempted to get a stripper's number and get her to meet me for a date outside the club is countless. So I understand your enthusiasm for the strip club environment.

You are taking it a little more to an extreme than most guys by concluding that you only want to enjoy that strip club environment for your mongering in Kiev, to the point that you're not interested at all in any of the other similarly priced options in Kiev. Thus you reject consideration of gia-escort. Com models even if at the three hour date level the prices are equivalent to Rio prices, on the basis that you can have the experience of summoning an escort to your hotel room in London. The fact that you could NOT get in London anything approaching the high level of beauty of what's possible in Kiev for the price of $100 / hr is not significant to you, although to most guys it would be. You take the position that it is not the price, so much as the type of experience, that is important to you, and an outcall escort to your hotel / apartment is not what you're looking for in Kiev. Ok. That's your preference. Even hotties in a lounge bar like Buddha Bar where after midnight you will no doubt see a lot of really hot ladies who are working girls, is not what you want to pursue, even though with some good negotiations you might succeed in getting some of them to agree to prices similar to what is possible in Rio (if you assume you only get two hours out of the three for sex with the Rio girls for the $300). It's your prerogative to stick to the strip club experience if it's what you enjoy. And I understand and can relate to it. Likewise you are leaving to the side the consideration of trying for freebies in the shops, malls and streets of Kiev, which many love to pursue, but it takes time and is not guaranteed, so this too I understand, since you have a short trip to Kiev in mind.

My own reasons for preferring to go to Rio strip club in the evenings have already been stated in my prior posts. I feel the prices are better at Rio because I felt I'm getting three hours for $300, whereas the best I could do at Buddha Bar was two hours for $300. I was willing to consider Gia agency if I could find a model on their website who looks as good as a Rio stripper, because their three hour prices were similar to Rio's prices, AND many of their girls provide guaranteed GFE service (including uncovered oral). I have written to you about the possibilities for daytime action with hotties in Kiev at very inexpensive rates using mamba and other internet sites, and how it requires some time and persistence, pointing out that you may not be using the daytime anyway for more productive things, so why not? But you have said you're not interested in trying. So sleep, and recharge your body during the day, or do some sightseeing, and in the evening,"get ready to rumble."

Since you have eliminated all other Kiev options aside from the hotties at Rio strip club from your consideration, your question really boils down to comparing the FKK experience to the Rio strip club experience.

The simple answer is that in Rio the advantages to consider are that: First, it is possible, but not guaranteed, to score with Ukrainian girls some of whom are higher quality beauties than I've seen in fkk land (I should note regarding my taste, that in general I regard the eastern european look as more beautiful, than the swarthy darker Romanian / Bulgarian types that predominate in fkk land, although some of the Romanian girls I have been with in fkk's are screamingly hot) (note: furthermore, despite Kirch's recent comment about seeing girls as hot as Tanya of Rio at fkk goldentime bruggen, I have never seen such a girl at the fkk's I've been to, so my opinion is that at fkk's there are many 8's and some 9's and a few 10's but from the darker Romanian type girls not blondes like Ukrainian Tanya, and although I've seen hot blondes from Poland and Germany at fkk's they've been more like 8's and haven't been 10's) ; secondly, although the girls at Rio are often having sex with others, and are not pristine in their purity, they are far less "fucked over" than the hotties in fkk land who will typically have sex with 5 to 10 men every day; and thirdly the prices at Rio of $300 for three hours are slightly less than the prices for a similar amount of time in an fkk, and lastly the longer session of three hours with a Rio girl can make for a more GFE type experience to develop.

In fkk's the advantages are that: First, in fkk's the possibility of uncovered oral sex is pretty much guaranteed, whereas in Rio many girls only do covered blow jobs, although some do uncovered, and it depends on the girl; the other aspects of GFE service such as the friendliness and sweetness of the experience are much dependent on your own demeanor and the length of time you spend with a girl, so in the three hours with a Rio girl it is possible to build more of a relationship, than in a 30 minute session at an fkk, but to compare apples to apples, if you were to take three hours for a session with one girl in an fkk, I don't doubt that you would find yourself in the midst of a truly GFE experience, but then some girls at the fkk's are worn out and jaded and will provide shitty service no matter how much money you give them and how much time you spend with them, so you still need to interview and pick well in the fkk; secondly, in the fkk it is possible to take a shorter time unit with a girl, so the cash outlay for each sexual experience will be smaller than the three hours required for each girl at Rio. For many guys it's possible to do what's necessary to get your business done and satisfy your desires at a smaller cash outlay overall at an fkk because many guys don't need three hours of sex, and they can do three or four half hour sessions at an fkk and be very happy, and then the lower unit price possible at an fkk of 50 euro for half hour becomes a cost advantage, for those that like to suffice with half hour sessions.

However if comparing the cost of three hours of sex, Rio comes out to be the lower cost option. At fkk palace in frankfurt one would spend 75 euro entrance and 50 euro per half hour, for a total of 375 euro ($513 USD) for three hours of sex, which amounts to 125 euro / hour ($171 / hour). By way of comparison, in Rio, one typically might spend for the three hour session with the girl a total of $400, because to the $300 girl's fee, must be added the paltry entrance fee of 100 UAH ($12. 50 USD) , plus some manager tip (s) of 100 UAH, or dancer tips of 50 UAH, plus a couple of private dances at 200 UAH ($25) [plus the bar tab, but since you can buy drinks at an fkk too, I'm going to leave out the bar tab from the calculation]. So $400 spent at Rio, is a rate of $133 / hour, which is lower than the FKK cost of $171 / hour. BUT, the advantage at the fkk is that you don't have to use up your entire three hours with only one girl AND all at the same time. Instead, at the fkk you can spread this three hours out and use some of it with one girl, and then rest for a while, and use some more of the time with a different girl a little later, and so on, so one could typically have at least three hour long sessions, and even up to six half hour sessions with different girls spread over a full day and night spent at an fkk, which is many more times the amount of sex possible, than with a Rio girl in the one 3 hour session, where the best of us will probably just fuck her twice and have two sexual climaxes.

So the upshot is that fkk sex tends to be sport fucking, shorter and more intense sex sessions, whereas sex with Rio girls is a longer more luxurious drawn out process and necesarily has the greater potential for a romantic GFE experience.

I believe that you should not deny yourself the opportunity to experience Kiev. However, that said, I think that you might consider a shorter Kiev trip of three or four days, and conserve some of your 2600 GBP in order to make a three day trip at a different time to the fkk's. That way, you can experience Kiev enough to make up your mind if you want to have additional trips to Kiev after that. Most guys who have come to Kiev, have also been at FKK's, yet they still opt for Kiev. That should tell you something.

As to your other questions:

No, I have never given a girl a half hour off my three hours to travel the five minutes back to Rio club. It's ridiculous. I never saw it written, but whoever wrote it, must have lived a long ways from Rio. You however, are going to rent an apartment right near Rio so you can avoid taxi costs, right? At the very least rent in the downtown area, and the taxi ride is not more than five minutes to Rio.

I don't know the prices of cigarettes in Kiev as I don't smoke.

As to food, I assumed since you don't drink alcohol, that it was for religious reasons, as a Muslim. If this is true, it occurs to me that you might need a special plan for food if you also observe the requirement of eating halal food. I don't remember seeing much in the way of such offerings in Kiev, where they eat a lot of pork. So here is a recommendation that will help you lower your food costs and keep your budget down, even if you have this halal requirement. Obtain an insulated bag of the type used to keep food frozen or cold for picnics. They make them in all sizes out of canvas or nylon with insulation sown in. Get one that will fit inside your carry on or regular luggage that you travel with. Buy your halal meats in an already cooked or grilled form ready to eat, and double wrap it in plastic freezer bags, and freeze it at least overnight, then just before you leave for the airport, take it out of the freezer and pack it into your insulated picnic bag, and then put that inside your luggage. It should make the trip to Kiev frozen, no problem. Then when you arrive at your apartment, you can refrigerate your food, and heat it up as necessary in the microwave in your apartment. This way you will eat well and healthy in a manner you are used to even in Kiev. Simply visit the supermarket upon your arrival in Kiev and purchase any other items you might need for the week, such as water, juices, and vegetables and fruit, and bread and dairy products which they have a nice variety in Kiev. There is even a Shouk (bazaar) for a better selection of vegetables and fruit produce in Kiev located just next to the Billa supermarket at the lower end of Kreshatyk. You don't need to go to restaurants to eat. You can save a lot of money bringing the more expensive meat products with you frozen, and buying whatever else you need at the supermarket. Even if you don't need to eat halal, then it is still a good idea to eat at home rather than restaurants, since budget is a big concern for you, and you are not in a hotel with no choices, but rather in a fully equipped apartment, so why not make good use of it. If you like to go out sometimes, sure do it, but you don't need to budget $120 a day for food spending when you can do the above and eat just like you do when you are home. You're not needing to impress a girl and going on dates with freebies. So go eat pizza or pasta or other inexpensive things when you go out, and mainly eat at your apartment. You'll spend a fraction of the costs you budgeted for.

However, do follow the recommendations made to have things on hand at your apartment to be able to offer the girls you bring there, like orange juice or other juices, nice chocolates, and maybe a small bottle of Baileys Irish Cream, which the girls seem to like with ice and milk. I've had vodka and beer on hand and the girls don't touch it, and go for the orange juice instead. (If you want to wait on buying the Baileys because it has alcohol, then offer the Rio girl you take home to stop at a supermarket for 10 minutes to get stuff she likes to eat (they're usually hungry) and see if she wants anything like that when you're at the supermarket.

LJ

[QUOTE=Kirch; 1216146]It's always a question of taste. Villa Vertigo is a really nice club but they don't have so many girls like Golden Time and not so much hotties! That's a fact. If you like really hot girls for good GFE se Golden Time is still the best. Acapulco for me is not good at all! Very old club, sometimes dirty and the girls are not very hot.

Palace, Oase and Artemis I don't like anymore. I used to like them in the good old days. But as I said I'm looking for 8-10 girls with very very good service. Check the ijsberenforum com and compare.[/QUOTE]Ok Kirch, I don't when you visited GT, VV and ACA,

I toured all 3 clubs 2 weeks ago, and the line up was great, I would say VV, GT and ACA was comparable, I got the best time with 7 hot girls at VV. I went there twice. Then ACA came on second place (I don't like the ACA setup either but I was going for the girls) and then GT (actually I like GT and know many hot girls from the club, that's why it become a bit boring to me."The grass is greener on the other side")

I'm curios which FKK is your favorite then, I understand if you know / fuck regularly hot GFE girls in Kiev, then they would beat any FKK experiences. What I enjoy about FKK is I can be with with 10-15 different girls during a long weekend and get PSE GFE plus some extra.

But FKK is too easy, it's like put and take fishing, hunting girls is more fun and challenging.

One of the most important points about Rio and Kiev that has always been on my mind is the fact that you DO get 3 hours with a lovely girl which in turn provides more opportunity for a more mental and physical connection if lady luck is on your side. This was one of

My main factors in finding Rio so appealing 1) the stunning type blondes not easily found in europe 2) and that for 100$ an hour with 3 hours there will be a really relaxed opportunity to make love and turn it more dirty should both parties wish where this may only be

Available in a fkk for 300 euros which is generally not the practice and even if I did book an fkk babe for 3 hours I would still not reach the level of intimacy that could be had in a cosy flat over a glass of wine for the girl and some soft music. IE A NEW EXPERIENCE!

With regards to me not drinking it has nothing to do with religious factors more to do with me going on a 9 year drink and recreational drug binge when younger and have since vowed never to go back and that stunning babes and music are now my drugs! The food.

Part was very funny too chopping up a cow putting it into deep freeze and whizz airing it! I would eat a horse if hungry but funny stuff! LOL.

Finally I am seriously considering your advice about the fkk / Kiev combination. I have found that if I cut Kiev to 5 days and 5 Rio take out's I may be able to take advantage of whizz air's dirt cheap connection to koln / stopping in a cheap hotel near samya and doing

Two nights in koln and two days at samya around 3 sessions of 75euro each day. This as already stated would be an incredible tour the best of east and west making full use of whizzair. My only worry is myself as I tend to not pace myself very well on such trips enjoying.

The normal nightclub scene too; finding I get too little sleep and generally exhausting myself out. I would really need to draw up a good sleep plan to do such a trip! LOL

[QUOTE=Mohab;1216200]Available in a fkk for 300 euros which is generally not the practice and even if I did book an fkk babe for 3 hours I would still not reach the level of intimacy that could be had in a cosy flat over a glass of wine for the girl and some soft music. IE A NEW EXPERIENCE![/QUOTE]Just for the record, you can find Russian ethnic pros in Tashkent for some 100 us$ (at max) full night. Furthermore most of those girls are not jaded as in Kiev. Some are even capable for abandoning their "business goal" to have fun and go with you for free.

LJ you are indeed a very patient man,

Haven't you discovered that Mr. Mohab is asking shit over and over again,

Many of us are tried of him the FKK forum.

He should learn to stand on his feet and learn from his own mistakes, that is call gaining experiences.

You have already provided him with tons of advices and yet he still come back for more.

Telling he is unsure, can't choose between FKK and Strip Clubs in Kiev.

He'll properly print out the posts and use them as reference when he try to score a hooker, LOL.

* buy sweets and fruits and drinks for the apartment, narhhh, don't have enough money, so he'll just take some vinegar mixing with water to make a nice Apéritif, cuts some leaves for snack, just like Mr. Bean!

* Tip the managers each 100 UAH, check!

* buying lapdances, check!

* buying girls drinks, nothing for himself, check!

* Max. 600 UAH, check!

* money for taxi or should he let the poor girls walk. Check!

@Mohab,

You should be able to manage yourself, all the FKK trips you claim you have been on already.

I wish you luck and I'm looking forward to read about your trip to Club RIO Kiev. If you ever get there.